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Here's what's interesting. Okay? Most people here, I think, are aware of
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internal family systems. Yes. So there
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are documented studies of internal family systems impacting
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rheumatoid arthritis outcomes, meaning
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improving. Right? There's a recent study done where they took
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IFS and applied it to rheumatoid arthritis, and the non IFS group
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I'm sorry. The IFS group made more progress than non IFS group.
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That is incredible. Okay? Chills. Total chills. Right?
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What they're learning inside the world of internal family systems then now what I'm
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about to say is more anecdotal than peer reviewed. Okay? But what they're
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learning inside the world of internal family systems from an anecdotal
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perspective at the moment this is not documented studies yet. But what they're
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starting to learn is that parts can
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be a contributing factor to chronic illness.
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Parts can actively be a contributor
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to chronic illness. It's not so much that they hold disease
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as much as they're leveraging
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a chronic illness to protect you or get your attention. Think of
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it that way. Okay. And that's not true for every part, and that's not there's
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no a 100%. Everything here is very nuanced. So what
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we have to realize is that this is a more
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complex problem than take a pill, make it go away
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by a lot. Okay? And whenever we get into trauma work,
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it's super nuanced. So it's not all one way or the other.
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There's a lot of different gradients here. And so I'm talking about
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general principles, like parts can contribute to disease. Now one thing
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I wanna clear up from the very beginning is this, superstition
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nonsense that we give our self disease. Okay? So let me just let me
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just talk about this for one second. Okay? So I have 2 books published with
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Hay House. Louise Hay before she passed was a dear friend. Wayne Dyer was
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a dear friend. And what I can tell you is that a lot of times,
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the new age world and that spiritual world gets
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misinterpreted, and the messaging becomes something
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like this. Are you saying that I chose to have cancer? Are
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you saying that that I chose to have x disease. I gave this
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to myself that my my 2 year old chose to have this
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bad disease. And I just wanna nip that in the bud from the beginning because
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that is not what we're talking about here at all. Okay? We're not saying that
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anybody chose to have this disease because that is
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ridiculous. However, what we are gonna
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start to uncover is that based on adverse
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experiences that you've been through and how your body has
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responded, there are
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areas in your body that may become more
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compromised or easily to, easier
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to become sick because of those adverse
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experiences. And so a lot of times, where a chronic illness
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shows up in your body can be I'm not saying
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is. I'm saying can be, okay, a
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indicator of where a part of
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you is most susceptible and dysregulated.
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Example. Right? We know that not expressing
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our emotions can suppress the immune system. We also know
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that expressing our emotions can suppress, can,
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be beneficial for the immune system. Okay?
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So if we're not expressing our emotions and we're suppressing them, we're
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dissociating from them, that has a negative effect on the immune system. It can
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downregulate the immune system, which means you may become more susceptible to
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things. And that means that you're more susceptible
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to get a chronic illness because you don't have an immunoresponse same as everybody
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else. Okay? And so what chronic illness can show us
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is where are our systems most susceptible
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to pathogens, dysregulation, dysbiosis, and
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then learning how to make them more resilient and
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reinforced. Okay? So this is not that you chose an illness.
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It's more that because of what you've been through or the
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environments that you've been in, the likelihood that your system
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is more susceptible to illness is higher than someone who had not been
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through those things. And those are 2 different it's it's it's nuance, but it's a
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very important understanding to realize that you're not
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choosing it. Con you're like, I'm choosing to have this.
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But what we are saying is it's likely that your system was more
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susceptible. Who follows? This makes sense?
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Okay? And, you know, one of the interesting things about the COVID
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stuff is that this word immunocompromised this has become very well
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publicized. And we talk about immunocompromised.
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Right? We're talking about things that we're talking about people who have,
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compromised immune systems. Right? And what we
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realize is that what has to happen for someone to be
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immunocompromised? Right? Okay. Well, I have a
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autoimmune problem. Okay. Well, how'd that happen?
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Right? If it's just physiology, if it's just the
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body, we have to realize that there's emotion and energy
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there too. Right, so part of immunocompromised
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states can include dysregulated emotional states.
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Who follows? Does it make sense? Okay? And there's a whole field called
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psychoneuroimmunology that was pioneered by doctor Candace Pert that helps
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us understand that as we create more emotional health, a lot more systems
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come on board. And so when we look at functional medicine combined
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with functional coaching, it's a really a beautiful integrated approach to help
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you heal because we're not just dealing with the underlying mechanisms
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in terms of supplements or, you know,
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you know, leaky gut or whatever it might be. We're also
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understanding, is there a part there? Is that part
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contributing to keeping you this way? Why is it doing that, and what happened for
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that part to be that way? And we wanna be able to look at both
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of those perspectives and go, this makes total sense. Right? And I'll give you
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one example. So we had a client. One of the first
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moments I had of really seeing this is this is probably gonna be at
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least 10 years ago at this point. I was working with a client at a
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retreat in Maui, and we were talking about her
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rheumatoid arthritis. And I had this, like,
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intuition based on talking with her. It was it was definitely intuition. I I didn't
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know. But I had this intuition that
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she has this rheumatoid arthritis, which is very real,
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and there's a possibility that there's a part
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of her that doesn't believe that she can be loved if she's not
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sick. Right? Because
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when she's sick, it's, like, creates a certainty that, like, yes.
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They're here. Right? So I just kinda, like,
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casually whispered in her ear in front of everybody and said, you know, do you
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know that you can be loved when you're healthy too? And it was just like
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a intuition. It was just kinda like something I said.
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Right? And she just broke down
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into tears. Right? And she was like, oh my
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god. No. And right? And there was a recognition
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there. And are we saying that that's why she has rheumatoid arthritis?
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Absolutely not. However, if there's a part
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of you that doesn't think that you can be safe, loved,
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or connected without illness, that part
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will not want you to get better, not
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because it doesn't want you to be healthy, but because it wants you to have
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connection. It wants you to have love who falls? Does it make sense?
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Okay? And so we have to start to understand that there is a
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positive intention even in chronic illness.
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There is a positive intention for your system even in
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dysregulation, and we don't want to pathologize,
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meaning make it wrong. We want to start to understand that there's a
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good positive intention for why this is happening. And,
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yeah, it sucks that showing up as a specific chronic illness
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that may be painful. Right? But when we can uncover the positive
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intention along with sort of the medical
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physiology and the medical approach to what's happening inside the
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body, we get a more are a broader perspective. Right?
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And what was interesting, I remember at the last root cause retreat, doctor Messe was
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talking to someone about, you know, what to do to move forward.
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And within a minute or 2 of this person talking,
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you could see this part come up that was like, I've tried everything. This is
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1 more doctor. Tell them what the to do. Right? And she
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was kinda becoming uncoachable, which is okay because she had a protector come
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out. And so I paused. I was like, hey. What's that?
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Right, because, like, Messier is trying to give her, like, this, like, thing like, this
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this idea of, like, what protocols to follow, and this protector part
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emerged. And what was underneath that was no one in
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my life has ever been capable of helping me.
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That goes all the way back to being a parent their parents. Right? And so
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this part's like, great. One more doctor that's not gonna know how to take care
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of me. Right? And so until we, like, honor that part,
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nothing was getting into that individual who follows. This makes
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sense. Right? And so even as we start to go through
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the healing journey, part of that, just like any
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journey we go through to heal, to grow, to change,
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parts will be there to protect us. Right?
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And if you hate your parts or if you're mad at your parts, that's
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another part. Okay? Right? And so we
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wanna start to understand that it's more nuanced and more layered
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than we previously thought. Okay. Who follows? This makes sense?
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