1:59

a great thing and the completion rate they

2:02

out-penrith, penrith in tough

2:04

conditions when normally that takes

2:06

penrith gives them the best

2:08

chance. Isn't that funny you just said there about

2:11

Epic Chorus here is that

2:13

there's nothing on skip across tip

2:15

of bloke on the inside.

2:17

You just make it in the opposition middles work and

2:19

you're centralizing your attack and simplifying

2:22

things.

2:23

Clema was mighty, one of the best games

2:25

of his career. Alex Twall continues

2:28

to be underestimated like he just keeps poking

2:30

his nose through. Keep on that centralizing

2:33

or more to the point simplifying.

2:36

The insect day game between dragons

2:39

and the roosters. Trish

2:41

and I went to the game. I was having

2:43

the helicopter seats. We both got out.

2:45

I swear to God I got altitude

2:48

sickness. I turned up and said to Trish

2:50

you know trying to pretend I was a big deal and you're walking

2:52

past everyone in the stadium going to the very top.

2:54

Anyway but it's a great view because it

2:57

just gives

2:59

you a great perspective of the game

3:01

sitting at the top of it and it just confirmed

3:04

our thoughts where the game is in 2023. Is

3:07

that the space after 20 minutes

3:09

all the space is through the middle.

3:11

I want to ask you this Coops watching

3:14

the roosters in the first half

3:16

every single day when they centralized

3:19

Manu, Tedesco, Kiri,

3:22

Brandon and just played through the middle.

3:25

Speed, footwork, short passing

3:28

they just had the dragons at their mercy yet

3:30

they would get,

3:31

yet they would when they started

3:34

to get fuel position they would straight away then drift

3:36

into block to block these sideways

3:39

movements that did unnecessary

3:41

sideways movement which just put pressure on

3:43

themselves. I think in

3:45

today's

3:47

game you got to be able to do both. I

3:49

think you got to be multi-dimensional and it's up to the

3:51

spine to recognize the same thing. So

3:54

if you're kicking down the front door play

3:56

the space. The space is there

3:58

keep going through there. If you knock down

4:00

the front door and they start condensing, you

4:03

need to be able to play the outside. So I

4:05

think one dimensional attack these

4:07

days is gone. You need to have multiple

4:09

because if a team stops your first

4:12

option, you need to be able to go to option

4:14

two or three. So yeah, and that's

4:16

up to the spine. That's why they are who they are.

4:19

That's why they get the critics

4:21

or the raps when it comes their way because they're

4:23

the ones who are gonna make the decision. But I agree with you. If

4:26

you are banging down the, and it's

4:28

also a good thing for halves

4:31

to have communication with

4:33

the box, to work out how many middle

4:35

forwards have been on for long periods of

4:37

time. Like if there's a middle forward with say,

4:39

HIA or an injury, and they've been

4:41

on for 23, 25 minutes, they only

4:44

pay normally 18. Hello,

4:46

go straight there again. Just keep going and centralise

4:49

the attack around that person. That really amazed me when we

4:51

had Magi and he was talking about John Sutton, where

4:53

John Sutton had the ability to almost card count

4:56

in the game and say, that guy's in trouble, that

4:58

guy's made numerous tackles, he's starting to wear out. Okay,

5:01

my next point on that, Cooper,

5:03

on the top, right, let's get back to the Tigers there if

5:06

you sit for a second. So they found a blueprint, I know

5:08

that works. And we see other sides,

5:10

they find a blueprint. Okay, that's what

5:12

works. You know, let's not worry about this. This is

5:15

how we play our football. Then

5:17

can I ask you this? These

5:19

days,

5:20

teams spending so long

5:23

in a training headquarters, right? They

5:25

get in there early in the morning, they're there the late

5:27

afternoon. They're

5:29

doing analysis, this field work, pouring over tape.

5:32

In my opinion, if you've got a simple blueprint that

5:35

is working, all that time in there, this

5:38

is just my opinion, I think

5:40

you can be counteractive and

5:42

detrimental.

5:43

We dabbled with it a little bit in

5:46

the 90s when Super League come in. I

5:48

got, we all agreed, we'll get

5:51

sick of being in there. We'll

5:53

sick of each other. Couple

5:57

of intense hours in the morning. Go home.

6:01

An hour and a half in the afternoon, go home

6:03

again. Yeah, it's a balancing

6:05

act for sure. And

6:07

the funny thing is, I

6:09

think in the sort of pre-season,

6:12

the first third of the season, it's

6:14

almost cramming for an exam.

6:17

You need to get that

6:19

logbook of work in because

6:21

you can't pick that up at the back end of the season. You

6:24

can't get fit at around 20. You can't

6:27

get the homework done in around 20. So it's

6:29

a very big balancing act. And

6:32

the other thought to around it is, sometimes

6:35

when you're on and in rhythm, less is more.

6:38

Sometimes when you feel like you're getting on top of

6:40

the ground, you're playing the style, everyone's connected,

6:43

just touch a couple of things, don't overcook it, and

6:45

just make sure you're maintaining

6:47

what you're doing well. On the flip side, I

6:51

often did with my kicking game, if I felt

6:53

like I'd done a couple of poor

6:55

kicking games back to back, I'd put a

6:57

chunk in on my day off. I'd go to hour and a

7:00

bit, just rep it out, rep it out, rep it out. So

7:02

it's up to the individual, up to the club. But, yeah, your point's

7:04

true. I think most teams

7:07

towards the back end, when the finals come, they

7:10

take a foot off the accelerator in terms of time and

7:12

effort and energy. Okay. So we spoke there

7:14

about how the Tigers, the

7:17

conditions push them towards their best

7:19

selves. I would suggest that

7:22

the rain in Auckland did the same with the Roosters. Yeah,

7:24

sort of. You can take a step

7:25

back. Just because

7:27

you've got all the artillery doesn't mean you have to sort

7:29

of force it and use it. I think the best thing the Roosters

7:32

did was, against the Dragons, they

7:34

played okay in the first half. Their second half defence

7:37

was poor. And their defence

7:39

overall

7:40

against the Warriors was excellent. They defended

7:42

their goal line for long periods. Warriors had multiple

7:45

chances to get over. So the

7:48

old sort of, just a reminder

7:51

of what your greatest strength is, always

7:54

fall to that, and the defence of the goal

7:56

line is that for the Roosters. I'll give you this.

8:00

This weekend at Magic Round,

8:02

how do you think they'll play? Do

8:04

you think they will centralise a tack around

8:06

Opie Cora's sour and play completions? Or

8:09

do you think they'll revert to pass,

8:10

pass, pass, pass, pass? I

8:13

would hope they maintain

8:15

that central attack. It'll be...

8:17

What

8:19

day or what time do they play? Got

8:22

me in there. Sunday Dragons? Scottie, can you

8:25

tell us what time? Sunday Dragons. First

8:28

game of Saturday. OK. Here we go. Well, it's

8:31

going to be a real test for them

8:33

if it's perfect conditions. OK,

8:36

dry and you can push the ball around.

8:38

Because when you get the perfect conditions, Cooper, and

8:41

you've got adrenaline pour through you, as you know, your

8:44

natural tendency is to

8:46

start to push the ball around. The ball's hitting your hands

8:48

nice and... So it's going to be a real test

8:50

for them to stick to that simple

8:52

game plan, play more

8:54

conservative, if you like, and have

8:58

Appy as the focal

9:00

point of all their attack, which suits Luke, which

9:02

suits Brooks down to the ground, because it lets him

9:05

just float around and just pick his moments. Yeah,

9:08

I'll tell you this. I was very lucky to

9:10

play with Cameron Smith for a long period of time. And

9:13

that analogy just used was

9:15

key to our relationship. I literally

9:18

just let him go first couple

9:20

of plays. I didn't even worry about it because he had it under

9:22

control. Dictating terms, toeing

9:24

plaques on, I knew he had it all under control. Then

9:27

I could move my

9:28

eyes to what's in front of me.

9:31

What's my kicking game going to be like tackle four, tackle

9:33

five, and where's Slater? So I

9:35

would love that David Clemmor

9:37

and Appy Coris say, I walk into Tigers HQ

9:40

today and they go,

9:42

this is the way we're going to play, because I had 24

9:44

carries and I got us on the front

9:46

foot. Appy dictated terms

9:49

and Luke Brooks felt free. He

9:51

felt like he was coming in now, the

9:53

contest, the way that he wanted to. So, yeah,

9:56

there's a lot of games, look forward to Imagine

9:58

Weekend, like you got South and the Stocks.

9:59

and a couple of other ones, but

10:02

jeez, the Tigers perform. It's going to be really interesting. Yeah,

10:05

and, and coops, sometimes in

10:07

a side, you know, that responsibility

10:09

of centralizing and keeping yourself there and sticking

10:11

to the script, it's everybody's job because as

10:14

you know, like your centers and wingers, you

10:16

know, they're out there saying, come on, give us a ball, come on, give

10:19

us their space. And you're going to shut the fuck up. Like

10:21

we're trying to see, you know, we're trying to stick to the game plan

10:23

here. And centralizing attack doesn't have

10:25

to be the nine. Centralizing attack could

10:27

be Isaiah Yeo or Cam Murray. Isaiah

10:29

Yeo,

10:29

Radley going, tip here, come back this

10:32

side, tip here. And it just allows,

10:34

you know, the halves are swinging around the back,

10:36

pick their moments, but you need someone. Some

10:38

people play it as a halfback passing

10:40

and promoting it in terms of controlling.

10:42

But what the Tigers did was Appy Coro,

10:45

so some other players do that about

10:47

controlling those first three tackles. But yeah,

10:50

cool to see. Well done, the Tigers. Jeez, Parramatta,

10:53

I thought really impressive. I liked about Parramatta.

10:55

We just spoke there before about, you know, seeing

10:58

the Roosters best selves

10:59

as their key men run first past

11:02

second and watching Moses Gutho

11:04

and Dylan Brown, that was certainly the case.

11:07

The willingness to just take the Knights, take

11:10

the Knights on with their footwork and so on. They put

11:12

a clinic on those three. I love the fact

11:14

that they

11:15

got back to their mojo, if you

11:17

want to call it. But their

11:19

wins this year, they've had four wins. And they've been the

11:21

Knights, Dogs, Tigers and one field

11:23

goal over Penrith. I think they need to

11:26

do that against the best teams.

11:28

They're in a bit of a stuck in the middle at the moment,

11:30

Parramatta with four wins and five losses. But

11:33

if they're going to climb

11:34

up the ladder, those halves,

11:36

those spine members need to have a running

11:39

first mentality. Not so much this long

11:41

past, long past. But what can

11:44

I do now? We've said this a thousand times on this

11:46

podcast. As a ballplayer, correct

11:48

for yourself first before you correct for anyone

11:51

else. How can I run? How can I

11:53

have an impact here? And then all of a sudden

11:55

defenders collapse on you because you're a threat to run the

11:57

footy. And it's a short pass

11:58

to someone else to take it. What's

12:01

in the nights? The nights performed

12:03

their best to appear. They had

12:06

a great month of football, even in games they

12:08

lost slightly. It was almost like

12:10

they really had their heads on. They

12:12

were a team that responded to the

12:14

pressure they were under

12:16

against the top sides. They played very, very physical.

12:20

Coops, they

12:20

had the bye, you know, like having

12:23

the bye the next week and

12:25

knowing when to get some days off, it almost

12:27

like they exhaled and went because

12:30

they went from, you know, and as we

12:32

know, like, yeah, speaking to guys here who associate

12:34

with Penrith said, Penrith went in after the game against

12:36

the nice and said, we haven't been beaten

12:38

up like that in years. Yet how

12:40

can that be the same side that played

12:43

the other night again against Parramatta?

12:45

Yeah, I get that. The old dangle

12:47

the carrot before it happens and you're

12:49

worried about what's on

12:50

the next week in the bye. But there needs

12:53

to be a bit more steel here resolving a leadership

12:55

group there than that. Like there was a number

12:57

of times where you know that there's a bye coming,

12:59

you know that there's a period of time coming off, but

13:02

get your job done first.

13:04

They were poor. And to be fair, it was

13:07

almost their best performance against Penrith

13:09

for a long, long time, even though they lost

13:12

the game. And for the Cowboys game

13:14

the week before, they

13:15

played OK. Kailin got

13:17

back in that second half looked pretty good. And

13:20

I just don't know where the nights are because

13:22

that was

13:24

abysmal that performance, isn't it? Yeah.

13:27

What's your take on it? Like what

13:29

did they need to do? Is it effort? Is

13:31

it character or is it system based in

13:33

terms of that for the nights? Yeah,

13:35

I think it's a combination, Koopes. I think

13:39

it was very interesting. What concerned

13:42

me was watching the Cowboys,

13:44

how the Cowboys performed against Krenella.

13:47

And I thought

13:50

when I watched that, I thought to myself, one of

13:52

two things is that the form line around

13:54

that game

13:56

is not good for the nights. If that was

13:58

a similar performance

14:00

from the Cowboys, but I also thought

14:03

that possibly that

14:05

performance, and it was a tough game. Knights

14:08

versus Cowboys was a really tough game.

14:10

Cowboys absolutely needed to win and

14:13

they defended with such desperation. It obviously

14:15

took a fair bit out of them.

14:18

Cronulla outstanding. They got me wrong, but it took a bit out

14:20

of them and I reckon it took a fair bit out of the Knights. Yeah,

14:22

I reckon, so we just spoke about Luke Brooks,

14:24

his first kick being

14:26

great, set him up and gave a bit of an indication

14:28

of the rest of the team. Put a little bit of

14:30

heat on Kaitlyn Ponga here. I think in terms

14:33

of maybe the carrot was dangled. Good

14:35

resolve resilience with how

14:37

do you mean the team comes back second half against the

14:39

Cowboys. And he was, to

14:41

be fair, he was the one that was trying to get them over

14:43

the line and almost coming up with a couple of plays against the Cowboys to

14:45

win it. But his defensive effort against

14:48

Parramatta had to be strong.

14:50

Had to be, this is the way we're going to beat

14:52

Parramatta's Knight, defence, defence, and

14:55

he leads away even though he's 5'8

14:57

and can't knock blokes over like other people, show

15:00

it with your defence and he had some poor misses against

15:02

Parramatta. What do you think about Kaitlyn's

15:05

a 6? Yeah, I like it. Kaitlyn's

15:07

a 6 or a 4. He's that

15:10

naturally gifted. We've spoken about this. The

15:12

positions that Kaitlyn can get into, that 4

15:15

and 4 down a short side, he almost has

15:18

the best skill set than anyone

15:20

in the competition to take advantage of that

15:22

stuff. I just don't think he gets in those positions

15:25

enough. So if it's 6 or 1, it doesn't matter for

15:28

me. But get him in

15:30

the best positions and to break it

15:33

down, it's 4 and 4 on a 20 metre

15:36

short side

15:37

and give him the ball at first receiver. Space

15:40

between those, his ability to skip that

15:42

first offender off the rack and cause a

15:44

threat on the outside or inside

15:47

with his footwork is the best

15:49

in the competition. He just doesn't get the ball in

15:51

those positions. I like him up on the

15:53

advantage line and a long flat pass,

15:56

which doesn't allow the defence to outside in

15:58

him as opposed to...

15:59

sweep shapes. At the moment he's catching

16:02

a narrow pass and he's trying to accelerate past

16:04

defenders, which then doesn't let him straighten

16:06

as much. It's very interesting. I mean,

16:08

straight away when we talk about fullbacks going to

16:10

six, we talk about Lockyer. And

16:13

we look in hindsight and we go, Lockyer, what an

16:15

amazing success he was. And yes, he was. He

16:17

got there. His first 12 day

16:19

a month were really problematic in

16:21

the fact that he was trying to use his fullback athleticism

16:24

to make, well,

16:26

you hang on to that. So, Nico Hines is making

16:28

it work immediately. But you see,

16:32

Lockyer in those early days at six was

16:34

trying to still try to skin people on the outside.

16:37

And it was just forcing the attack over the sideline.

16:40

And the jury was out. People were

16:42

going, is he going to make it here? Do they

16:45

put him back to fullback? It

16:47

was about halfway through season 2006, which

16:49

you know very, very well. You

16:51

were part of it.

16:53

We're straight away, it's like the penny dropped. But

16:56

as far as his playmaking

16:58

was concerned, he actually took the foot

17:00

off the gas a bit,

17:02

started playing more direct. And

17:05

rather than skinning that player, play direct,

17:07

pull him out of shape that way. And suddenly

17:10

everything started to click and just

17:12

in time because time was running out for their season and

17:14

they're going to win the comp. So you know Kaitlyn

17:18

is going to get there. But the question is for

17:20

Adam, can I give him that much time?

17:23

The thing that fullbacks

17:25

have over halves when they transition into

17:27

the halves is that fullbacks sense

17:29

space better than anyone on the field, right? So

17:32

naturally space is to the outside.

17:34

The thing that I'd love to see Kaitlyn

17:37

do, whether it's like four and four

17:39

on a short side as a first receiver or even a

17:41

second receiver two passes wide, get

17:43

opposite

17:44

the four end defender

17:46

and take him on either side. Take

17:48

him on inside to be a threat with your running game or

17:51

stand him up, eyeball him and take him

17:53

on the outside. Just start a little bit straighter. Here's

17:56

your go to. Don't start on the inside because you don't

17:58

have the advantage.

19:58

organizing the

20:00

defence as a fullback, but I think

20:03

he's a star. I think you'll handle it. And I think, yeah,

20:05

Reece Walsh has been terrific. He'll probably be a part

20:07

of camp at some stage, but, you

20:09

know, the Munster, Ponga,

20:12

DCE and Harry Grant, like,

20:14

that's gold. That's pretty good. Got some exciting

20:17

news that out of the

20:19

Origin series,

20:20

Newcastle are going to change their colours to Moran. They

20:24

didn't say that about Gagga, they said about Ponga.

20:27

What about a couple of- Tell you what, in a side that's

20:29

been Australian, Gagga, how good is Gagga? What

20:31

a star he is. He'll take a quick break, be back

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What do you think of South's? Very good.

21:11

Awesome. Very impressive. Like,

21:15

their ability to turn a

21:17

game on its head

21:19

with a couple

21:21

of players is better than most in the competition.

21:24

And I think they've evolved this year. I

21:26

think they've got better. So most

21:29

of the time last year, it was all

21:31

about

21:32

if South's are going to beat you, they have

21:34

more attacking possession and they set up their

21:36

left side attack, right? And they scored

21:39

tries through Lechelax, Johnston and Cody.

21:42

But now against the Brisbane Broncos, the

21:44

Brisbane Broncos had all the attacking ball in

21:46

that first half. Adam Reynolds

21:48

was on fire to start it. And they got

21:50

down to Broncos line maybe

21:53

two or three times in the first half,

21:55

scored two tries, all to the right-hand

21:57

side. First one, or Kim O'Gramps,

21:59

called by.

21:59

but one was a kick and the other one was off a scrum. So

22:02

they've evolved to the point now that they

22:04

can defend their goal line.

22:06

And when they get down in Goodball, it's

22:08

actually not the left-hand side. The right side is

22:11

way more potent at the moment. That Cody's

22:13

try was just beautiful little

22:15

piece of science, the subtlety, like Cook,

22:17

just little things. Cook looking one way

22:20

to make the defence jump, went the other, you

22:22

know, and then all of a sudden he hits Murray,

22:25

up short, out the back to Lachlan

22:28

Elias, one under, hit to Campbell,

22:30

growing Campbell as opposed

22:32

to hitting the straight line, does a slide

22:34

out and goes, tink back on the inside to Cody.

22:36

It was just beautiful piece of science.

22:38

That's the other thing, Cody Walker on the right edge. I

22:40

like that, you know, it doesn't have to be Cody

22:43

all the time. It could be La Trole. I just like the

22:45

fact that they're moving pieces around a little bit.

22:47

Can I run something past you? Right, cause we're talking

22:49

about, tah.

22:50

Gotta go some planes

22:52

for your magic round, I'll get to that. Yeah,

22:55

anyway. You know,

22:57

I'll say, you're such, I admire

23:00

your discipline, you've just

23:02

got to learn to have a good time sometimes.

23:05

So I'm going to take you under my wing at

23:07

magic round. You've taken me under your wing before,

23:09

and I don't like when you're... We're going to go

23:11

to the QA Hotel, which is Arthur Bewson's

23:13

whole pub. We're going to hang out with Gordie, because

23:15

you'd pay for nothing, nappies and fuel.

23:19

What else do I have for you? We're going to climb Story Bridge, most

23:22

underwhelming thing I've ever done. So we want to tell everyone

23:24

at home, the last time you and I, or the first

23:26

time you and I actually hung out and

23:28

had a drink, the late phone call

23:30

late that night to turn the music down, do we need to record

23:32

that? Let's not paint a bad

23:34

picture of me, and the fact that I'm

23:37

dominated by my wife. You

23:39

said it, not me. What about

23:41

South Sydney in terms of their game against the Brisbane

23:44

Broncos? Okay, I'll...

23:46

I want to talk about Murray and Yeo, State

23:49

of Origin. Watching that elevator

23:51

view on Anzac Day, Dragons

23:56

versus... And seeing where

23:58

all that space is confirming.

23:59

it just says to me that after, for

24:02

the majority of state of origin, New

24:04

South Wales need Joanne Murray through the middle.

24:06

Having Murray on the edge does work. So I want to

24:09

ask you which one do you think is better. We spoke about

24:12

before putting him in there. So

24:14

if you start Murray on an edge and on

24:16

the first in the change, put an edge forward in there, whether

24:18

it be Olicoatu or someone, if he comes off the bench,

24:21

there's an example, not saying he's going to be picked, but Olicoatu,

24:23

and he moves into the middle. The other

24:25

option is,

24:28

and I know you've just said, traditionally,

24:30

you say, oh, Murray comes off the bench, here we go,

24:33

oh, the bench. But keeping

24:35

him out of the smash and crash

24:37

early in that first 20 minutes. And

24:40

then bringing him on after 20 minutes, and we see

24:42

the speed of the rucks in state of origin, how

24:44

fatigued the middles get, and how

24:47

size becomes liability. Just

24:49

go on mate,

24:50

go and win us the football game for 20 minutes. Let

24:53

Jo still be the primary ball player, but let Murray

24:55

spoon footwork just to operate. Yeah, I

24:57

think both are great.

24:59

I like

25:01

probably him starting on the edge because

25:03

in origin

25:03

start your best defensive team. Like

25:06

you've got to set the tone that way first.

25:08

But

25:09

the difference between Isayo and Cam

25:11

Murray, there's not much. The only

25:14

difference is Cam Murray's leg speed seems

25:16

to be a bit more powerful and quick. So the

25:18

fact after coming off the bench fresh for 20,

25:21

25 minutes, that would be dangerous for the middle

25:23

forwards. And if I'm Nathan Cleary, who

25:27

likes to sort of maybe get a second

25:30

layer off Isayo, but

25:32

you don't have to wait for Isayo. If you've got

25:34

both of them in the middle, playing a tandem middle

25:37

forward roll, Jo might have a carry,

25:39

Cam Murray stands up

25:41

to be your first

25:43

receiver and ball player. So I like

25:45

it. I don't like helping New

25:47

South Wales, but that's something. Let's

25:50

flip the coin. It's a little bit like Harry

25:53

Grant and Ben Hunt.

25:54

Ben Hunt starts. Harry Grant comes

25:56

on, Ben Hunt goes to a middle 13 position

25:58

and they've got a 10. random dummy half dueling

26:01

out. So then New South Wales will, well

26:03

I'll see your hand, I'll raise you this. I'll go

26:05

Cam Murray and things like that. Yeah, we'll take a real

26:07

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26:10

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The other big story over the course of the

26:47

weekend, Jack White and Ricky Stewart,

26:49

the emotion, I loved it. Yep. I

26:52

loved it. I just,

26:54

and like, I know it was Jack's

26:57

decision to leave there, but leaving the club

26:59

you love, the hometown club and somewhere

27:01

that feels like family. You could see

27:03

the emotion there, how heavily it weighed on him with

27:06

Ricky. He's more than, White

27:08

and is more than just a player to Ricky. I'll

27:11

ask you, because it's different in my case,

27:13

because the club begged me to leave. And

27:15

I did it. And anyway,

27:18

where you, you might- My mate's still cut about

27:21

it. I don't hold a grudge.

27:24

Anyway, but

27:26

for you, to make the decision to leave Melbourne,

27:30

you kept it very much to yourself. When you made

27:32

the decision in your own head, how did that, how

27:34

do you feel? Yeah,

27:37

it was obviously emotional,

27:40

but I really didn't allow

27:42

that to come to the surface at any stage.

27:44

I had a long time over it. Like

27:46

it lasted sort of five

27:49

or six months till actually left. I made the decision

27:51

quite early on. But

27:53

the funny thing is about the

27:55

Jack and Ricky thing is

27:58

where do the Raiders go to?

27:59

from here, that's

28:01

not the thing we've spoken about. This is a little

28:03

bit going off topic, but in that

28:05

game against the Dolphins,

28:08

Jamal Foger, he had an opportunity to win that

28:10

game with a field goal and regulation and didn't

28:13

even think about the field goal, right?

28:16

And Jack, I think, he kicked it over to the left-hand

28:18

side and Jack was sitting there going, why didn't you take

28:20

the field goal? So in the Golden

28:22

Point, obviously he was aware of it, kicked the field goal,

28:24

but without Jack there, where do the

28:26

Raiders go to? That's

28:29

a talking point that hasn't come through yet. It's

28:31

a big one, Coos, because they've got a lot of money to

28:33

spend,

28:35

but there's not a lot

28:37

of that type quality player that are gonna be

28:39

sitting on the market. One thing they should look

28:41

at is a ball-playing 13. Help

28:44

Jamal with the ball-playing. If you don't have,

28:46

you're not gonna get a gun six, or if

28:48

there's no one in the market, like you said, I haven't even looked

28:51

around, but go after a clever

28:53

ball-playing 13. Throw

28:56

money at that person to come and help because

28:58

we're seeing what, if you're a ball-player that's not

29:00

a traditional first receiver, the actual 13

29:03

to get you one pass wide can

29:05

help you move onto the ball a little bit better and become more

29:07

effective for the team. It's a funny old competition

29:09

because a few weeks ago we were saying, you

29:11

know, we're a criminal rat,

29:13

you know, their defence isn't quite up to it. They've

29:17

had

29:18

two weeks of good football, the

29:20

performance, the other night was the first really good 80-minute

29:22

performance they've put in, suddenly they're second on the ladder.

29:26

They're sending like a broken record.

29:28

Once again, Niko Hines, you know, amazes

29:31

me about him, Coops, is that, okay,

29:33

he's a really good athlete and he's

29:36

fast, deceptively fast and

29:38

deceptively big, but it's his cruise

29:40

speed.

29:41

When he gets the ball and

29:43

just slips it back into the neutral, give himself time,

29:45

he's still, like he's still really

29:47

travelling. He was, you know, that

29:50

first try for Telekai, you know, he just slipped

29:52

past two defenders so easily.

29:54

Hey, it's a bit like we're talking about Kaelyn,

29:57

that first try for Telekai, eyeballed Chad...

29:59

Townsend and did the old gave an

30:02

indication you want to go in and then just slipped

30:04

to his outside and Chad Townsend were caught on

30:06

his heel. The other part about the Sharks like

30:09

I love the fact that they've got

30:11

good balance of

30:14

the fullbacks linking together ie. Moiland,

30:17

Hines and Kennedy but then they've also

30:19

got pretty smart because Nannay

30:22

goes off with his you

30:24

know, hip drop and then that first

30:27

set when Nannay's gone

30:29

He's defending on the right edge for Cowboys.

30:31

So they're a man down the Sharks set

30:33

was terrific It ended up in Teague Wilton scoring

30:35

a try but they go one open They come back

30:38

to the left hand side with a play Kennedy swings

30:40

around They set back open to the middle of

30:42

the field and they come again with a similar

30:44

look But they play a short pass to Teague

30:46

Wilton that goes through and scores a try so very good

30:48

They've got a good mix of variety

30:50

and the thing that's reminded me about the Sharks

30:52

in their last couple of performances Remember what

30:55

they did in the preseason? They were the

30:57

best performing team. Yeah, they were yeah I

30:59

know

30:59

manly won the preseason challenge, but the Sharks

31:01

were outstanding. Very good. It's in their kit

31:03

bag and I love their outside backs Yep,

31:06

their ability when Kennedy gets

31:09

the ball Talakai

31:11

and Mulatallo are in exactly

31:13

the right place exactly right time How many times

31:15

do we see a fullback get in a position where

31:17

it's a three on two out the back of shape? Yeah and throw

31:19

the ball in the touch or someone's blowing up that

31:21

the center is not in the right spot Hits someone in the

31:23

head. Mmm, right? They don't get that

31:26

wrong. They're pretty good. They're very consistent

31:28

They're good. So Saturday what we'll

31:30

do is we'll go to the QA hotel

31:32

Arthur Bearden's old pub Yeah, and we'll sit

31:34

watch the full so you'll get me off super Saturday

31:38

On many John's you are many John's

31:40

you are one a mission or a foxly

31:44

Look, yes dad Right,

31:47

I will do that. We'll go to the game. We'll

31:49

go watch we go. It's south to

31:51

Melbourne

31:52

The outstanding your old club. I

31:54

know Then we'll go there's

31:56

a place on Caxton Street called I think it's

31:58

left east to learn I know, the music

32:01

venue, very good. All types of music, anything

32:03

from country to Western. Very

32:05

Queensland. I'll meet you there. Yep. After

32:08

that, nah,

32:11

we will. Let's just stay there,

32:13

don't tell me you need explainers. I'm

32:15

excited, I'm excited. It's

32:17

gonna be, dare I say magic. Ha

32:19

ha ha. Ha ha ha.