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Dr. Michael Gallietta. He is an

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expert in naturopathic

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medicine and actually natural approaches

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to solving common problems and

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we're so happy to have you back on the show. Welcome

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back to the program. Thank

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you Peter. Always good to be with you and it's good

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to be back. For those who don't know

0:57

you, can you just give us a brief biosketch?

1:01

Yeah, sure. I actually, my first career as

1:03

a musician, I played the piano and

1:06

I wanted to do something a little more specific

1:08

in the healing arts. So

1:10

I started my practice in Chinese medicine and

1:13

nutrition 34 years

1:15

ago and in the

1:17

last, I'd say 22 years, started

1:19

to get more deeply into functional

1:21

medicine. So my practice

1:23

is Chinese and functional medicine and a

1:26

family practice here in Boulder, Colorado and

1:28

folks by phone and video virtually. And

1:31

now these days, you know, the last many

1:34

years I've been full-time teaching and

1:36

training other practitioners in natural functional

1:38

medicine in addition to my part-time

1:41

clinical practice. So at the Institute

1:43

and at the clinic our motto

1:45

is nature first, drugs last. There

1:48

you go. And

1:50

so many impressive results

1:53

and I think really, so

1:56

I think it just really strikes me

1:58

how you've made such a big impact in the

2:00

community. community with your training course and this

2:05

show I get to be the patient and

2:11

I really want to hear your approach. Let's just

2:13

take a middle-aged person not

2:15

at any medications but on several

2:18

occasions that person's been told the

2:20

blood pressure is elevated. Why don't

2:22

you explain to our audience what your approach

2:25

is? Yeah, happy

2:27

to Peter and I said I'm trying

2:29

to get

2:32

one of those cardiologists about

2:34

cardiovascular disease but the first step is

2:36

just to get some numbers and

2:39

to see what they're, if they have been prescribed

2:41

a medication, what was the medication,

2:43

the two questions I asked is what was your

2:45

blood pressure before you

2:48

were prescribed the medication and secondly

2:50

how many times was the

2:52

blood pressure checked and

2:54

I've seen unfortunately as you have well

2:56

too often folks are

2:58

with just mildly elevated blood

3:01

pressure or prescribed whatever calcium

3:03

channel blocker, beta blocker, diuretic,

3:05

something and based on

3:08

one blood pressure reading in the office

3:10

or the patient might be nervous and their

3:12

blood pressure and it's unfortunate. So I try

3:15

to find out those two things and

3:17

then we look at are there

3:19

any other things going on?

3:22

Is there kidney disease? That's

3:25

a very frequent contributor. We'll look in

3:27

the blood at a comprehensive metabolic panel,

3:29

look at some of the kidney related

3:32

markers, look especially at the EGFR, the

3:34

glomerular filtration rate with a target of

3:36

90 and maybe the

3:38

kidney is impaired. That's often the

3:40

case where there's a lot

3:43

of hypertension is a microvascular

3:46

problem where there's

3:48

small vessel issues and

3:50

the filial dysfunction in those small

3:52

vessels which is 74% of

3:55

the circulatory system are these micro

3:57

vessels of arterials, capillaries and venules.

4:00

And sometimes if they're not happy, maybe

4:02

there's constriction, maybe the person is

4:04

in a sympathetic dominant or stress

4:06

state most of the time, they're

4:10

gonna get vasoconstriction in the small vessels or

4:12

not get good vasomotion, and then you get

4:14

a backup. And this is a

4:16

lot of what happens times in the kidneys, is

4:19

these tiny vessels in the kidneys, the glomeruli, the

4:23

functional unit of the kidneys is a

4:25

little unhappy. So you'll get this backup.

4:27

So we try to look at the whole picture. What's

4:30

the history, what's the diet? Are they

4:32

overweight? Are they diabetic? Do they smoke?

4:34

What's their diet like? What are their

4:36

sleep patterns like? This is emerging as

4:38

a big deal these days, the circadian

4:41

rhythms and cardiovascular disease is

4:43

now considered a formal risk

4:45

factor at least for

4:48

cardiovascular disease is circadian disturbance.

4:51

So are they working the night shift? Are

4:53

they only sleeping three hours a night? Are

4:55

they, you know, what's the whole lifestyle? So

4:57

we just kind of look at the whole

4:59

picture and then look at their age. You

5:01

know, in the old days, you know, the

5:03

blood pressure was based on age. You

5:06

know, I had a physician come to my

5:09

herbal seminar in Boston one day, and he

5:12

was an older gentleman in his, I think his late 70s.

5:15

He'd been practicing as a physician for 50 years. And

5:18

he said, young man, young man, you know,

5:21

when I was your age, he

5:24

said things were different. He said,

5:26

we looked at urinary proteins, not cholesterol

5:28

to assess cardiovascular risk. And

5:30

we adjusted blood pressure according to age. So

5:33

he said we would take 100 plus age and

5:36

subtract 10 for females. And that was

5:38

the upper limit for systolic. And he

5:40

didn't understand why there was this relentless

5:43

drive to lower the upper limits for

5:45

blood pressure. So anyway, we'll look

5:47

at all that, see what medications they're on, you

5:49

know, and look at the

5:51

diet, the lifestyle, all those factors. And

5:53

then off we go. So we do,

5:56

you know, as a nutritionist, dietician, nutritionist,

5:58

I like to do a seven. Food

6:00

Diary and look

6:03

at that. There might be things in there that might

6:05

be problematic. We'll do

6:07

some basic lab testing. A very important marker

6:09

is the Omega-3 Index to

6:12

see what percentage of

6:14

red blood cell fatty acids

6:16

are EPA and

6:18

DHA. I hope this is okay.

6:20

It's a general flow. Okay, interrupt

6:23

me any time you want if

6:25

you have other questions or in a different direction.

6:29

Omega-3 Index, the ideal is

6:31

8 to 12% of

6:33

red cell fatty acids are EPA and DHA. The

6:36

American average is 4% of the amount. If

6:39

you can get it up to 8%, you can reduce

6:41

risk of sudden cardiac death by 90%. Just

6:44

getting that Omega-3 Index to 8% if

6:46

it was low before. That has

6:49

an enormous effect on vascular health

6:51

and blood pressure. We'll also look

6:54

for nutrient deficiencies. On

6:56

the mineral side, looking at

6:58

a hair analysis, looking in the blood

7:00

at RBC magnesium. Magnesium

7:02

deficiency is a very common feature

7:05

in cardiovascular disease. Dr.

7:07

Carolyn Dean has written

7:09

extensively on the subject. She's a physician

7:11

and naturopath and considers

7:13

magnesium in many cases to be

7:16

the culprit, not cholesterol. Even

7:18

the current science now

7:20

is saying that these cardiovascular

7:22

disease are not a disorder of

7:25

lipid accumulation but endothelial dysfunction. I

7:27

really pay a lot of attention to vascular health.

7:30

Things like magnesium, factors

7:32

like nitric oxide is

7:35

produced in the lining of the blood vessels and

7:38

the endothelium. A natural

7:40

way to support that because it is

7:42

vasodilated. It's like a short-lived gas produced

7:44

by the lining of the blood vessels.

7:46

We can help that increase a lot

7:49

with beets. Just

7:51

the patient eating more beets can

7:53

lower their blood pressure three to five

7:55

points. Beet leaf and the beet greens

7:57

like the Swiss chard. And

8:00

then we get into natural medicine. Organic

8:02

buckwheat is a great way to

8:04

improve vascular health and elasticity and

8:07

help address that vascular aspect of

8:10

loss of arterial elasticity where you

8:12

get this rigidity that, you know,

8:14

like the blood vessels, as you

8:16

know, should be more like a

8:18

balloon, not a straw. So

8:21

if it's like a straw, that

8:23

pressure is going to go up because it's

8:25

pushing against a more rigid thing. It should

8:27

be flexible and elastic. So

8:29

foods like buckwheat, beets, herbs

8:31

like garlic are

8:34

superb, correcting magnesium deficiencies.

8:37

These are some very, very simple things that can

8:40

really make a difference. And

8:42

looking at other

8:45

foods, you know, like the dietary spices

8:47

in general tend to have a blood

8:49

pressure lowering effect. And

8:51

I get to be, you know, everybody's favorite

8:53

nutritionist. I encourage them, the hypertensive patients, to

8:56

eat more dark chocolate. Oh,

8:58

come on. Really? A little

9:00

bit of dark chocolate, you know, organic fair trade, 70, 80% or higher

9:02

on the cacao

9:05

content. And you don't need a lot. It's

9:07

just two-thirds of an ounce per

9:09

day, 20 grams, can lower blood pressure

9:11

two to four points. So

9:15

those are a couple of things. And then I've

9:17

got, you know, a pretty big toolbox, you know, with

9:20

food concentrates, supplements

9:22

that are food-based, and herbs

9:24

like garlic, like hawthorn, like

9:26

black cumin, which have

9:28

very well demonstrated activity

9:31

in modulating blood pressure

9:33

naturally. And then the

9:35

next step... Well, let me just say, so

9:37

in this case scenario, it's a patient who

9:39

has not previously been on medicine. Oh,

9:42

okay. Well, that's great. This is

9:44

kind of a virgin patient. So

9:48

let's say on several measurements,

9:50

you had blood pressure

9:53

of, let's say, you

9:55

know, 48 over 92, 144 over... 88,

10:03

150 over 94, just

10:05

kind of in that range, some middle-aged,

10:08

no heart disease, no other problems,

10:10

just this, maybe

10:13

sometimes get some blood pressure related

10:15

headaches. Yeah, yes.

10:18

Well, yeah, that in Chinese

10:20

medicine, that's often liver related,

10:23

hypertensive headaches are often, and hypertension

10:25

in general in Chinese medicine is

10:27

often related to the liver. And

10:29

we even see that in more

10:31

of a functional medicine context where

10:33

there is such a thing

10:35

as hepatic hypertension, not just

10:38

the more typically considered renal hypertension.

10:42

And so, yeah, if they're not

10:44

medicated, it's even easier because we

10:46

have one less thing to sort out. So

10:49

if they're unmedicated, and with those numbers,

10:52

how old is the patient? Let's

10:54

say they're 45 years old,

10:56

and let's say normal

10:59

kidney function, you do your markers, and

11:01

this is 0.7, SMAGFR is 100. Oh,

11:06

great. The

11:08

RBC magnesium, let's say it's a little bit

11:10

low, and thyroid,

11:15

other things. Let's say the patient

11:17

is about 40 pounds

11:20

overweight. So there's

11:22

a pot belly, and they

11:25

drink alcohol on weekends,

11:29

tend to party on weekends, non-smoking.

11:31

Sure, sure. Yeah, I mean, it sounds

11:33

like a not massively

11:36

high risk patient. I

11:39

mean, there's things to sort out,

11:41

want to make sure they're not diabetic.

11:45

Sounds like they're not smoking or just

11:47

a bit overweight, some central obesity. Yeah,

11:50

so if they're not medicated, that's

11:52

great because then we

11:55

can usually correct that within one

11:58

to two months. if

12:00

they're willing to comply with some

12:02

suggestions on diet and lifestyle and

12:04

supplementation, that's pretty easily sorted

12:06

out. And it's not like they're in a

12:08

danger zone where it's

12:10

very high. And at that age for

12:13

a male, if you

12:15

go by 100 plus age and even

12:17

the Cochrane study that

12:20

came out in 2017, didn't

12:23

really show a lot of significant

12:26

harm with blood pressures up to

12:28

150 over 90, and

12:32

even 160 over 90, so somewhere in

12:34

that range. So I wouldn't

12:37

be too concerned. Certainly

12:40

I wanna look at some other

12:42

cardiovascular markers in general, just to

12:44

look for vascular inflammation, like cardiac

12:46

CRP and lipoprotein-associated

12:49

phospholipase A2 or

12:51

LPA-PLA2, fibrinogen,

12:55

homocysteine. Let

12:57

me fill in some of those. So the

12:59

CRP is 4.6, so it's elevated. Okay,

13:05

that's something. The omega-3

13:07

index is low, it's about

13:09

4.1%. Oh

13:11

boy, okay. The homocysteine is elevated

13:14

at 16. Oh

13:17

wow, that's big. And the

13:19

LPA-PLA2 came in right

13:22

at about 220. Okay.

13:25

Now, it

13:27

doesn't take any cholesterol-lowering medicines and

13:29

the LDL cholesterol calculated

13:32

came in at 140. Yep,

13:38

and do we know triglycerides or HDL?

13:42

Yeah, triglycerides came back at 250. And

13:46

HDL came back at 42.

13:50

Oh okay, yeah, so targets for

13:52

fasting triglycerides ideally are 100 or less.

13:55

HDL target is, I like to use 60.

14:00

LDL more or less irrelevant like

14:02

total cholesterol. But yeah,

14:04

there's definitely some inflammation and issues

14:06

there, likely a fatty

14:09

liver with triglycerides that high. We

14:11

can certainly look at the transaminases

14:13

in the blood. But

14:15

basically, yeah, so when in doubt, you know,

14:18

I'm always – if there's a case like

14:20

that, I'll always – and

14:22

often will recommend they just have a

14:24

checkup with their internist

14:27

or cardiologist just to, you know,

14:29

have things looked at from that

14:31

perspective and

14:33

would, you know, immediately start to

14:35

correct some of those issues. So

14:38

get that, you know, Buckwheat, by the

14:40

way, is a buckwheat and correcting the

14:42

omega-3 index. It's a great way

14:44

to get that cardiac CRP down to the

14:46

target of one or less. I

14:50

use 175 as an upper limit

14:52

on the LPA-PLA2. So consider that

14:54

220 a little bit elevated. And

14:58

yeah, so I definitely would want to do

15:01

some dietary work with them to, you

15:03

know, very possibly they're – have

15:06

too much – maybe this

15:08

hydrogenated fats in the diet, too much sugar,

15:11

not enough healthy fats that,

15:13

you know, those could be issues. And

15:16

then look at their physical activity. If we can

15:18

just get them walking a half hour a day,

15:20

you know, that would be great three to four

15:22

hours a week of some exercise. And

15:24

look at stressors. You know, I like to

15:26

ask patients, Peter, how are things at home? How

15:29

are things at work? And that

15:31

tells so much, you know, if the patients – if

15:34

there's a problem in one area, things

15:37

are great at home but really stressful at work, or

15:40

I love my job but things are stressful

15:42

at home, if there's one of the two

15:44

that's a significant stressor, I know we've got

15:46

a medium pattern to

15:48

work with. You know, in other words, it's going to

15:50

take something to, you know, to

15:52

help them get to where they want

15:55

to go. But if things are not

15:57

great in both places, like a lot of

15:59

stress. at work, a

16:01

lot of stress at home, that's a

16:03

significant issue. That's a

16:05

very personal thing I like to

16:08

sort it out, but I know

16:10

that the prognosis is going to

16:14

take longer for that pattern, whatever they're

16:16

dealing with to resolve. It's

16:19

important just to look at lifestyle stressors, which

16:21

are frequently a driver of some of these

16:23

issues. So from what you said, we've

16:26

got to get them, I would recommend

16:28

wild fish five times a week,

16:31

a clean fish oil supplement. I

16:35

would recommend increasing their dietary beets

16:37

and beet greens to get

16:39

that nitric oxide up. I'd give

16:41

them an organic beet and beet root,

16:43

beet green supplement called beta food. I

16:46

would encourage them to eat more buckwheat in the

16:49

diet. Use your vitamin

16:51

P, as Albert Zien-Giorgi

16:53

named it in 1937, which

16:55

is the collagen formation factor

16:58

which improves vascular health. It

17:00

was the anti-hemorrhagic factor

17:02

that improved vascular

17:05

health and prevented

17:08

hemorrhage and bleeding

17:10

due to vascular weakness. So

17:13

that's found in buckwheat. It's

17:15

found in a concentrate called

17:17

Cyrutoplus. So

17:20

if we get that sorted out, it looks like

17:22

the magnesium could use a little help. So

17:25

we might get them on

17:27

a magnesium supplement, more food-based,

17:29

multi-form magnesium, something called EZMag,

17:32

has 52 forms of magnesium to

17:35

my knowledge. And

17:38

then between the diet, the exercise,

17:40

stress management, maybe encouraging them to

17:42

do some deep breathing. I

17:45

don't always call it meditation, but just deep breathing,

17:48

five minutes in the morning, five minutes

17:50

in the evening, and then whenever they're

17:52

stressed or tense, just slow belly breathing

17:55

can do a lot of good to

17:57

get them out of that sympathetic stress

17:59

response. a parasympathetic relaxation response,

18:01

that can really make a big

18:03

difference. What I just described sorts

18:06

out cases like that. I don't

18:09

know, 98% of those cases are going to be not real.

18:12

They're going to have improvements within a month or two.

18:14

Now, I noticed he didn't yet

18:17

mention alcohol. I said he drank

18:19

probably to excess on the weekends. Oh, you

18:21

mentioned that. Yeah. You did

18:24

mention that. I missed that, Peter. Thank you for

18:26

the reminder. Yeah. So, you know,

18:28

so that kind of weekend binge,

18:30

you know, that

18:33

frequency of weekly may not be

18:35

great. So certainly, and it's possible,

18:37

he has possible signs of, you

18:39

know, he may want to

18:42

see his physician, get some ultrasound, see

18:44

if we've got a fatty liver, perhaps

18:47

look at the transaminases in

18:49

the metabolic panel, ALT, ALT,

18:51

AST, GGT, just

18:54

to see if it's actual liver damage, because

18:56

those are liver damage tests, not liver. I'll

18:59

say that he does have a fatty liver.

19:03

It was, you know, his liver was big on

19:05

exam. Turns out the physical

19:07

exam, I always come out on liver

19:09

size in the physical exam. It almost

19:11

perfectly matches the ultrasound. And when

19:13

the, when there's abdominal obesity,

19:16

and the human hand can't go

19:19

up underneath the rib cage,

19:21

it's literally being impaired by the big liver. You

19:23

get an ultrasound. It's just about 100% fatty liver.

19:25

And, you know, that's

19:27

been confirmed with MRI studies. So he

19:30

has a big liver, fatty liver, but the

19:32

AST and ALT are still within the normal

19:34

range. Yeah. The,

19:36

the, the, the, the chemistry is

19:38

upper limit of 25 for the

19:41

transaminases. So yeah, that's like

19:43

a thing. So the alcohol is certainly

19:45

an issue. We want to

19:47

help defat that liver with healthy

19:49

fats in the diet, the beats,

19:52

supplementary soybean, non-GMO, soybean,

19:55

lessethin. Okay. Choline.

19:57

These are things that are lipotriotic.

19:59

aerobic factors that really help to

20:02

de-fat that liver, but it sounds like

20:04

the genesis of that might be some

20:06

of that alcohol and

20:09

we got to help that liver. So he's going to

20:11

need some milk thistle, he's going to need plenty of

20:13

beets. These

20:15

are going to be very important things to

20:17

help restore that liver. Black human seed would

20:20

be excellent for that hypertension as well as

20:22

increasing glycemic control

20:24

and metabolic health. So

20:26

that's going to be a very important herb for him as

20:29

well. Garlic

20:31

helps to clear blood lipids, but

20:34

yeah, we've got to look at that diet,

20:36

the alcohol. What

20:39

would you say, Michael, about the alcohol? Would you

20:41

tell them to cut back or

20:43

stop altogether? How would you approach that? Well

20:46

I want to find out why. If

20:50

things are stressful somewhere, a lot

20:52

of folks will use that as a release on

20:54

the weekend. Like I had a stressful week, now

20:56

it's time to let go, let loose and

20:59

find out, okay, if you're using it as

21:01

a self-medication or

21:04

stress in your life, let's see what else we

21:06

can do so that that pressure doesn't build up

21:08

Monday to Friday, so you want to go binge

21:11

Friday night and Saturday. So

21:14

we try to figure out why. Listen

21:16

to the patient's narrative, what's happening, but

21:18

I'm definitely going to give them a

21:20

why for why they should at least

21:23

reduce or stop altogether.

21:25

So I haven't had as much success

21:27

having folks who are using it as

21:29

a stress release to go cold turkey

21:32

on the first weekend. And

21:35

if we spend a month or two

21:37

weaning off while we're getting

21:39

the stress management and the nutrition

21:42

and the acupuncture and the PEMF

21:44

therapy that calms the nervous system,

21:46

if we're giving them support so

21:49

that you don't need it as

21:52

much, that's often a lot better

21:54

than just you must stop tomorrow,

21:57

which I've had less compliance with. for

22:00

sure that alcohol is an

22:02

issue. Would he be better off

22:04

if he was able to stop altogether? Would he be

22:06

better off not drinking? Oh,

22:09

for sure. For sure. I

22:11

would say so. I would agree with that. And,

22:13

you know, you just got to see what folks

22:15

are up for. I mean, as I tell every

22:17

new patient, you know, I suggest you decide, you

22:19

know, it's up to you, but I'm going to

22:21

make very specific suggestions and,

22:24

you know, and then do with that what you will. And

22:26

I'm going to make very specific suggestions and explain why.

22:30

And I found, you know, I have

22:32

pretty good compliance with, you know, significant

22:34

lifestyle and supplement protocols because I try

22:37

to find what's important to them and then

22:40

relate it to my recommendation. So you've got

22:42

a fatty liver and large

22:44

liver. That's pretty serious. You've got

22:46

abdominal obesity. You've got, you know,

22:48

at least the beginnings of hypertension,

22:50

perhaps. You've got these other

22:52

issues going on. You've got a lot

22:54

of inflammation in your blood vessels, right?

22:56

Because your cardiac CRP and the

22:59

other markers. And so, you know, this is

23:01

significant. Like you're in a, and so I'll

23:03

just tell them the truth. You're significantly elevated

23:05

risk of heart attack and stroke because of

23:08

this constellation of factors. And,

23:10

you know, I'm going to, it's going to take

23:12

some changes. In other words, you got in and

23:14

if you got in, you can get out. But

23:17

it is going to take some time, typically one

23:19

to three months per year of condition. It's

23:24

going to be important for you to,

23:26

you know, chill on that alcohol. I

23:28

love to give you some relaxing supplements

23:30

and herbs that maybe takes

23:33

the edge off during the week so it doesn't

23:35

build up as much and help you sleep well,

23:37

sleep better. Maybe some,

23:39

you know, counseling to help, you know, address

23:41

some of the factors in the life or, you know,

23:43

whatever it is that's going on. But

23:46

yeah, I would agree with you completely. I think

23:48

that alcohol has definitely got to go and it's

23:50

just going to be a matter of if the

23:52

person has a strong enough why, you know,

23:56

then they'll do the what and the

23:58

how. So we just got to build up. that

24:00

purpose, that reason. As Nietzsche

24:03

said, if a person has a strong enough reason,

24:05

they'll do whatever

24:07

is needed. Paraphrasing.

24:10

But yeah, in broad strokes, how I would

24:12

approach that type of patient. And

24:15

thankfully, I've seen that guy hundreds of

24:17

times over the last 34 years. And success

24:21

rate is close to 100%. So it's very

24:23

fixable. And I would really encourage him

24:30

to think about the present, but also the future.

24:32

I sometimes have the way if the patient is

24:38

not like, yeah, tell me what I need to do, I'll do it. If

24:40

they need a little encouragement, I'll just say, look,

24:42

you're walking towards the cliff. I

24:45

don't know when you're gonna follow up the clip,

24:47

but you're walking towards it. And we have a

24:49

chance now to change direction. So you walk not

24:51

towards the cliff, right? But some day, you know,

24:53

whether it's next week or 20 years from now,

24:55

you're going to walk off that cliff, we have

24:57

a chance now to change direction. So you go

24:59

and in a different direction.

25:02

But that's a great summary. We're going to take

25:04

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31:18

Gatta on courageous discourse sub-tech. I'm learning

31:20

so much, I think probably all of

31:22

you are as well. We've been walking

31:24

through a typical case. A man who's

31:26

45 years old, he's got a pot

31:29

belly, he's about 40 pounds overweight, blood

31:32

pressures, largely our systolic in the 140s and

31:34

150s. He

31:38

reveals today he doesn't have particularly a lot

31:40

of stress, he's happily married, he's his kids.

31:43

The alcohol is just with his friends,

31:45

watching football on weekends. He's

31:47

visited Dr. Gatta, and

31:49

he's had some of that fresh,

31:52

bolder Colorado air, and

31:54

he's feeling great about himself. He said, listen,

31:57

I'm going to stop drinking alcohol. My wife wants me to

31:59

stop anyway. I'm just going to stop

32:01

drinking alcohol and

32:06

Dr. Getta, can you review again what would be the

32:08

supplements you'd have me take? Sure,

32:10

sure. Yeah, that's a great question. So

32:14

the first thing, your food is always the foundation,

32:17

so the foods and the supplements are

32:19

related because some of the foods, like

32:21

garlic, is both a food

32:23

in the diet as

32:25

well as a supplement. So

32:27

garlic is very helpful. It's

32:30

actually more effective than hawthorn in the literature

32:33

for helping with elevated

32:35

blood pressure and blood lipids. The

32:37

main one we're concerned about is

32:40

triglyceride. So garlic would

32:42

be number one. Number

32:44

two would be beets. That's

32:47

again in the food. And

32:49

the garlic formula uses garlic forte.

32:52

And folks can go

32:54

to my website, michaelgetta.com/store,

32:57

if they're interested in any of these. And

32:59

oh, and by the way, we created a page for

33:02

your listeners, michaelgetta.com/Peter.

33:06

And that's where we have a resource

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resources and education

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for today's interview and the previous one we

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33:20

put these resources on the slash Peter page. Suppose

33:23

folks don't have to remember them. So

33:25

beets in the diet and

33:28

then beta food is the supplement. Garlic

33:31

in the diet, garlic forte is

33:33

the supplement. Berries are

33:36

very helpful.

33:39

Half a cup of berries a day, fabulous

33:42

for blood pressure as well

33:44

as diabetes and just vascular health

33:46

in general. Dark

33:48

chocolate, not so much a supplement but just

33:51

a food. Green tea also can be helpful

33:53

through a couple of different mechanisms, partly

33:57

through working as a prebiotic in the gut. That

34:00

can help you know address things systemically

34:02

by improving the health of the microbiome

34:05

Garlic does that too by the way and

34:07

then the other herbs that are

34:10

just super helpful. Oh before we get

34:12

to the herbs Buckwheat now

34:15

buckwheat in the diet and

34:17

then sirota Cyr Uta-plus

34:21

is the supplement He

34:24

has a low omega-3 index. So again,

34:26

the food is wild fish four or

34:28

five times a week And then the

34:31

supplement is you know, some type of

34:33

clean cod liver oil. I

34:35

would be very helpful very nutritionally

34:37

broad And

34:39

then we have the another herb

34:41

couple of herbs that are very

34:44

helpful for this type of case

34:47

He's definitely going to need milk thistle,

34:49

which is not so much a food

34:51

but a medicinal herb Which is very

34:53

regenerative and restorative to the liver And

34:56

very helpful in this in this particular

34:59

case to help that liver

35:01

healing regenerate and Their

35:04

formulas called milk thistle forte Sounds

35:06

like his magnesium is low. So we have

35:08

great sort of

35:12

So the formula is called easy mag And

35:15

the foods are really anything dark

35:17

green stuff dark green leafy vegetables

35:20

are all good sources Dietarily

35:23

of magnesium try to correct that magnesium

35:26

deficiency and then

35:28

we have Hawthorne preferably the leaves

35:30

and flowering tops is a little

35:32

more therapeutically relevant than the berries

35:35

Which are fine as maintenance but some Hawthorne

35:38

in there as a normal tensor verb raises

35:40

it if it's low brings it down if

35:42

it's high And you know

35:44

low dose of that just typically two or

35:47

three per day Now

35:49

you mentioned the central obesity that's going

35:51

to be a factor and

35:53

the fatty liver So

35:56

adding to the beats and the buckwheat some

35:58

of the lipotropic factors that help

36:01

emulsify and clear that fat in

36:03

addition to the buckwheat is going

36:05

to be soybean lecithin and

36:08

choline those are two formulas that are

36:11

great as a physiological

36:13

detergent to help defat that liver

36:15

and help the body clear any

36:17

plaque that may have accumulated Always

36:20

a good idea on a physical exam to us

36:22

called the carotids Hearing some

36:24

brewies there may you

36:26

know indicate you know Doppler stenography

36:29

carotid stenography To

36:31

to see about that And

36:33

I'm a big fan personally because this guy's

36:36

got significant risk factors You

36:38

know with the some of what's

36:40

going on. I'm a big fan of the

36:42

coronary calcium Test

36:44

I think it's a great test and

36:47

you know aiming for 20 or less optimally I'm

36:51

working with the patient now his is 5200

36:53

so he's got a lot going on So

36:56

that's just a good you know in the diagnostic

36:58

side And then

37:00

we've got to help help get rid of

37:02

that belly fat the best herb for that

37:05

is licorice so

37:07

we just want to be You know

37:10

Conservative when it comes to dosage and make

37:12

sure he has a way to check his

37:14

own blood pressure at home Not

37:17

every other day at roughly the same time

37:19

of day since the fluctuates throughout the day

37:21

and then write it down But

37:24

licorice is great first. I mean it's

37:26

not a great word melt belly fat

37:28

It's not really what's happening, but it's

37:30

a good way to balance cortisol and cortisone

37:33

To help the body resolve that and

37:36

then I'm definitely going to suggest because he

37:38

has a lot of signs of impaired Microcirculation

37:41

I'm definitely going to suggest that

37:43

he get a home care medical

37:46

device Which

37:48

is a pulse electromagnetic field

37:51

therapy that's going to

37:53

massively improve microvascular circulation Which

37:56

which reliably helps to lower blood pressure?

37:59

Kind of take his some of the pressure off the system, and

38:03

calms the nervous system. So it

38:05

gets folks out of sympathetic, dominant

38:07

stress response into parasympathetic, which is

38:10

the relaxation response, which is usually

38:12

a factor in these metabolic syndrome

38:14

cases like he appears to be,

38:16

kind of a classic metabolic syndrome

38:19

case. So we've got

38:21

to carefully look at blood sugar, look at fasting

38:23

insulin, look at the

38:25

glucose triglyceride index, look

38:28

at glycosylated hemoglobin or hemoglobin A1C,

38:31

and also fasting

38:33

glucose, it's the least important, but

38:36

good to look at just to see

38:38

if there's a hyperglycemic component of

38:40

this case, there easily could be

38:43

with that fatty liver and

38:45

some of the blood pressure elevations, the big

38:47

belly and all of that. So

38:50

we've got to make sure that we're not dealing

38:52

with the half

38:54

of the country that's diabetic or pre-diabetic.

38:58

So that's gonna be more of a rule out

39:01

kind of thing. So

39:03

let's take that, that's a lot to

39:06

digest. So you put

39:08

out these orders and let's just say thankfully

39:10

his coronary artery calcium score is zero. Wow,

39:13

great. His carotid ultrasound

39:15

is clean, there's no

39:18

atherosclerosis. Fabulous. He gets

39:20

the supplements you recommend

39:22

and he in earnest makes

39:24

these dietary changes, quit drinking

39:26

alcohol and it comes

39:28

back three months later. What he tells you is after

39:30

a month, he started sleeping

39:33

better. He just, a month

39:35

off alcohol, sleep was

39:37

restored, feels much better.

39:40

And over three months following

39:42

your recommendations, his weight is

39:44

down 15 pounds. So

39:47

he lost five pounds a month, which is

39:49

a pretty aggressive number. And

39:51

his blood pressure systolic now are

39:54

in the high 120s or in the

39:56

one that most. Beautiful. What

40:00

would you do taking them from there? What would you do?

40:03

Yeah, at that point, assuming

40:06

the blood sugar's good, and

40:08

then it's just a matter of we

40:10

start tapering down the size

40:12

of the program. An opening protocol in

40:14

my own practice is gonna be about

40:16

a dozen formulas up front, and

40:19

I reevaluate every two months, and

40:22

then some patients need more than

40:24

that. My cancer patients or other folks

40:26

who are in a bad way. They're

40:30

more serious disease. You always match

40:32

the treatment to the condition to the patient's needs.

40:35

But if we've sorted that out, then we're

40:37

gonna make sure, we wanna make

40:40

sure he's gonna do a three week

40:42

purification or detoxification program to

40:45

help his body unburden itself from

40:47

any accumulated toxins over the years. Actually,

40:49

we're doing one as a group in

40:51

our institute in May. So

40:54

we have a bunch of people doing a cleanse together in

40:56

the month of May, which will be a lot of fun. So

40:59

I'll make sure we do that, and

41:01

then we'll be able to

41:03

eliminate some formulas or reduce dose or

41:05

taper off. Make sure

41:07

the bloods are improving. I like to check that

41:09

every four months, because you get

41:11

a new set of blood cells, red blood cells at

41:13

least, every four months. Platelets

41:16

are every 10 days, but you've got a

41:18

new set of blood cells to look at. So we wanna

41:20

look at that in four months. We

41:22

wanna make sure that inflammation has come down. I

41:24

wanna make sure that liver is happy,

41:26

make sure those fats have been

41:29

resolved. And

41:31

then just a couple of things,

41:33

the size of the program goes

41:35

down, and then we walk through

41:38

other restorative programs, like spending some

41:40

time rehabilitating the microbiome, just supporting

41:42

that, clearing chronic infections, supporting the

41:44

immune system, balancing the endocrine

41:47

system in a general overall sense, doing

41:50

a purification program, things

41:52

like that, that I like

41:55

to walk through. I call it the master sequence,

41:57

which are about a dozen protocols I like to walk

41:59

through. through with people over time which

42:01

is where

42:04

they're at and what their condition is. But

42:07

in general, you know, they'll just need less

42:10

and then we'll just walk through these

42:13

restorative protocols over time. Are

42:15

there any supplements you think

42:18

for someone who has

42:20

hypertension or what we now

42:23

term pre-hypertension, right? So we kind

42:25

of brought them out of the hypertensive range. Are there

42:27

any supplements that are kind of for life that

42:30

are so important that you

42:32

think they just ought to take forever? Yeah,

42:34

there are for sure. Yeah, and you know,

42:36

it's just how it is these days, Peter.

42:38

You know, the demands of modern life are

42:40

greater than at any time in human history.

42:43

The amount of environmental toxicity which

42:46

didn't exist 100 years ago, the amount

42:48

of man-made radiation that didn't exist

42:50

100 years ago and just the

42:53

stress of modern life as the world

42:55

goes through its cycles of purification and

42:57

awakening, it's intense, you know.

43:01

So there's always a gap

43:03

between what we eat and what we need.

43:07

And so we want to fill that gap

43:09

by improving the diet and

43:11

reducing burden by supply and demand. We want

43:13

to improve supply and reduce demand as much

43:15

as we can. But these

43:18

days, there's just too much electromagnetic

43:20

pollution and environmental toxicity and intensity

43:22

of, you know, stress and such

43:25

that we need supplementation to bridge that gap

43:28

between what we eat, even in a great

43:30

diet, and what we need. So

43:32

I like to do ongoing

43:35

kind of lifelong support with

43:37

some basic things like, you

43:39

know, a food-based multivitamin

43:41

like Katalin. For

43:44

this patient, their multi might be something called

43:46

Cardio Plus, which is sort of

43:48

a multi that's more nourishing to the

43:50

cardiovascular system. Fish

43:52

oil is for life. You

43:54

know, two big studies on this showed

43:56

an average of 98 percent

43:58

of the population as insufficient omega-3

44:00

intake. The average omega-3 index nationally is

44:03

half of what it should be. So

44:06

just daily fish oil, plus that

44:08

three to four times a week

44:10

of wild fish maintenance is

44:13

really important. A

44:15

trace mineral supplement is really helpful.

44:18

And then for this type of

44:20

patient to address the metabolic aspects

44:22

and the blood pressure and

44:25

such, black human seed would be

44:27

a great lifelong friend. It

44:30

became popular because it's very

44:32

effective against COVID. Right. All

44:35

various strengths and symptomatologies of the

44:38

COVID syndrome. It addresses all the

44:40

aspects of that very well. Pierre

44:43

Corey has written about it as

44:45

an alternative to ivermectin when ivermectin is

44:47

not available, as

44:50

well as an addition to ivermectin

44:53

for prophylaxis or early treatment. So

44:56

it kind of got famous for that, but it's actually

44:58

been used for thousands of years for

45:00

a lot of different things, including hypertension.

45:02

The literature is very good on this

45:04

herb, helping with blood pressure

45:07

as well as metabolic syndrome, elevated lipids,

45:10

sugar, all the facets

45:12

of metabolic syndrome. So

45:14

anyway, that would be the general idea. And

45:17

then I might add a couple of maintenance

45:19

formulas, you

45:22

know, like a low dose, you

45:24

know, bioavailable turmeric, black

45:26

human, things like that.

45:30

How about some form

45:32

of a beet-based supplement

45:34

long-term? Yeah, I've been doing

45:36

that. You know, both my older brothers, Peter,

45:38

had their gallbladders out, my dad had a

45:41

fatty liver. So I take

45:43

just three a day of the beta food, preventatively, I've

45:45

been doing that for 27 years, and

45:49

just very low dose, three little tablets a

45:51

day. Suzanne Summers talked

45:53

about it on Larry King and

45:56

has taken away her, Mrs. many years ago in the

45:58

90s, for taking away her... her

46:00

sweet cravings. But yeah,

46:03

beta foods are great products. It's an organic beet

46:06

root and beet green product came out

46:08

in 1943. So it's been used for

46:10

a really long time, 80

46:12

years. And that's a

46:14

great preventative. There's your nitric oxide

46:16

support, there's your liver support, there's

46:19

your preventive fatty liver. There's a

46:21

lot of benefits to that, doing

46:24

that on a daily basis. And you know

46:26

what's interesting? When I was a kid,

46:28

my mom, I

46:30

guess the way she was raised, they ate a lot

46:32

of beets. I always remember eating a lot of beets

46:34

and I grew to like them. And

46:38

I got married

46:40

and one time we were eating,

46:42

I guess, at my parents house, my

46:45

wife says, I've never eaten beets

46:47

in my entire life. They've never

46:50

served beets. And so I thought

46:52

about this in the American diet.

46:54

And it is true, there are some families

46:57

who eat no beets. If

46:59

you go into restaurants, you know, there are some restaurants

47:01

that have a beet salad or a little heavy, but

47:03

there's a lot of restaurants, no beets,

47:07

none. Have you noticed that? I

47:09

totally noticed. You're absolutely right, Peter, I wish you

47:11

would be on every menu. Because

47:13

it's such a helpful thing. It's really you could really

47:15

call it one of the super foods. And

47:18

don't forget the greens, you know,

47:20

the Swiss chard, not just the

47:22

red root that we're all familiar

47:24

with. They're both very helpful.

47:27

And it's been used for decades in

47:30

natural nutritional care for gallbladder

47:32

problems. I've had countless

47:35

patients, you know, with gallbladder troubles

47:37

that just go away. I've had

47:39

patients with scheduled cholecystectomy,

47:42

where they go in for pre-op testing, their

47:44

gallbladder is fine, or at least better, and

47:47

they got to cancel the surgery. You

47:49

know, that's happened a lot of times

47:51

with myself and my students. Well, isn't

47:53

Swiss chard? It's also used like in

47:55

a very delicious soup, right? Yes, yes,

47:57

that's right. So

48:00

that's an option there. Now

48:03

in garlic, most people know

48:05

garlic and have garlic and

48:07

they'll recognize it in spaghetti

48:09

sauce or various things.

48:11

And there are certain cultures, they

48:13

eat a ton of garlic. Well I'm

48:15

Italian, I grew up Italian in New

48:18

York and there was everything. Not everything

48:20

but it was, my mom made a

48:22

pretty garlicky sauce. I

48:24

think of the Asian Indian culture,

48:27

the Eastern Arabic culture, just

48:30

a ton of garlic. Can

48:34

one eat enough garlic to kind

48:36

of match what you

48:38

take with achiolic or one of these

48:40

garlic supplements? No, not well,

48:43

yeah, I mean garlic is an interesting

48:46

thing Peter. So dietary

48:48

garlic, so eating garlic in your

48:50

diet is enough

48:52

to maintain but isn't

48:55

therapeutic to be

48:57

corrective. Like your metabolic syndrome

49:00

patient that you just described, definitely

49:02

eat more garlic in the diet but

49:04

in that kind of case it's not

49:07

going to be enough. So that's when

49:09

you need a therapeutic garlic concentrate as

49:11

an herbal supplement in addition to the

49:13

diet because you're correcting stuff, right? It's

49:15

not maintenance. That patient

49:17

is not in maintenance when he walks in

49:20

as a new patient. We need therapeutic measures

49:22

and that's where we need to use the

49:24

therapeutic supplement program. Now

49:26

garlic is interesting because the

49:29

thing that works in garlic is not

49:31

in the garlic. It's

49:33

a metabolite of the garlic. So what's in the

49:36

garlic is alley in and

49:38

then alley in is converted into the

49:40

active stuff, in, a-l-l-i-c-i-n

49:45

and that's why you'll see on the bottle it'll

49:48

say allicin potential, meaning

49:50

once it gets into the gut,

49:53

small testin and colon, that

49:55

allinase will convert the alley

49:58

in into allicin. And

50:00

it's the allicin that does what HDL

50:02

does actually. It clears away excess plaque

50:05

through a different mechanism and it's a

50:07

great source of sulfur which

50:09

has enormous benefits when sulfur is

50:11

deficient to the cardiovascular system and

50:13

as Stephanie Senniff and MIT this

50:15

is what for many years the

50:18

importance of cholesterol intake and production

50:20

but also Sulfate and sulfur intake

50:22

and production so we can produce

50:24

the highly protective form

50:26

of cholesterol which is cholesterol

50:28

sulfate so eating sulfur rich

50:31

foods like garlic, cruciferous vegetables and eggs

50:33

and onions and the

50:36

whole allium family is

50:39

a very helpful. Now for

50:41

a supplement you want to have an

50:43

enteric coated supplement And

50:45

the reason is you want that

50:47

alanase enzyme right? ASE is an

50:50

enzyme you want that enzyme to

50:53

survive the stomach Right,

50:55

so it's fully available to fully convert

50:57

that allium into allicin so it can

50:59

do its job So you

51:01

get much greater therapeutic benefit from an

51:04

enteric coated product like garlic forte rather

51:07

than a capsule that's going to open up in

51:09

the stomach stomach is going to go to town

51:11

and The proteolytic action in the stomach is going

51:13

to degrade that enzyme that alanase which is a

51:15

protein And then you're not

51:17

going to get that conversion you should

51:20

have so people get fussed about aged

51:22

garlic And this garlic and black. It's

51:24

all interesting But it's nowhere near

51:26

as important as having an enteric

51:28

coated product because it makes fresh crushed garlic

51:31

Because when you crush garlic

51:33

immediately that alanase starts to

51:36

make alice in and

51:38

that's why fresh crushed garlic is so great But

51:40

how do you mimic that in supplements been sitting

51:42

on the shelf for months and the solution is

51:45

an enteric coated product So when

51:47

you when you eat garlic Yeah,

51:49

everyone knows that kind of the smell

51:51

of garlic on the breath So

51:54

what is it in I was sense I

51:56

can kind of smell it in the skin

51:58

and sulfur is it? Is

52:00

that what it is? It's partly the sulfur compounds.

52:02

It has kind of a sulfuric smell to it

52:05

a little bit. But

52:07

it's pungent, meaning spicy in Chinese

52:09

medicine. It's in the category

52:11

of pungent foods and pungent herbs that

52:13

benefits the lungs and the colon, the

52:15

metal elements of the five elements. And

52:19

yeah, partly it's the sulfur

52:21

content and partly it's the

52:23

oils in the garlic that

52:26

can do that. So there's a lot of folks who

52:28

get burping with garlic. That's

52:31

a gallbladder problem. It's not the garlic's fault.

52:34

It's the gallbladder. It's a sign of gallbladder

52:36

congestion. Just like some folks will

52:38

get right hypochondriac or under

52:40

the ribs on the right side discomfort

52:42

after eating fat. That's

52:46

usually the same crew that doesn't

52:48

do well eating garlic. They burp a

52:50

lot because the oils in

52:52

the garlic, the person just not digesting

52:55

any lipids well because of biliary congestion,

52:57

the thick sluggish bile. And by the

52:59

way, best way to thin that out

53:01

is with beets. Thins

53:03

the bile beautifully. Oh, good. So

53:05

yeah, it's a good thing. I

53:08

have to tell you too, garlic anecdotes. So

53:12

my father-in-law lived in 98 and

53:16

he is from the Middle East. It was from the

53:18

Middle East. And he

53:20

ate raw garlic every morning at

53:22

breakfast, multiple cloves of garlic. Multiple

53:26

cloves. We would just be like,

53:28

gosh. It just gave him this

53:30

vitality. It was very impressive. And

53:33

I think probably the most impressive garlic

53:35

study story. And if

53:37

my wife, hopefully she listened to this, she'll remember. But

53:40

my uncle who's a cardiologist was

53:43

over at my wife's parents' house.

53:45

It was when my wife and I, I

53:47

think, were newly married or dating. And

53:51

my uncle's minding his own business and

53:54

he gets stung by a wasp

53:56

in the backyard of my wife's

53:58

parents' house. house. Oh,

54:01

no. So my wife's mother

54:03

recognizes what's going on. And she

54:05

sprints to the house. And

54:08

she slices some fresh garlic and she

54:10

kind of crushes it up. And she

54:12

just rubs it right on the wasp

54:15

sting. And my uncle said, well, I'm

54:17

allergic, you know, this is this isn't

54:19

going to turn out good. And

54:22

you would be shocked how

54:24

that red welt went right

54:27

down. I watched it myself.

54:29

I was so impressed. Oh,

54:31

wow. This is kind of

54:34

the old way. It is

54:36

there must be something acutely

54:38

inflammatory, anti inflammatory or stabilizing

54:41

history. There's something in garlic

54:43

that actually is medicinal. I

54:45

was so impressed. That

54:48

is impressive. That's great. I would have reached

54:50

for raw honey. But I

54:52

didn't know about the garlic remedy. That's even

54:54

better. Yeah, I mean, I just watched it.

54:56

And she goes, Oh, yeah, and my wife's

54:58

parents are very old world. We've been doing

55:00

this for 1000s of years. You

55:03

got to be kidding me. Yeah. So you

55:05

never know. This has been such a great

55:07

conversation. I've learned so much about hypertension. We've

55:09

been talking to Dr. Michael Gatta, the Gatta

55:12

Institute, the most knowledgeable

55:14

person in naturopathic medicine I've ever run

55:16

into. It's just it's really

55:18

a pleasure to have you on the show. Do

55:20

you have any final your own what these didn't

55:22

mention in our hypertension case? The one thing you

55:24

didn't mention, I thought was very interesting. Salt. Oh,

55:28

yeah, that Yeah, that I'm glad you asked.

55:31

And yeah, so that that has been that's kind

55:34

of a common

55:38

usually myth. In this

55:41

is a few some years ago, since 2011 paper American

55:43

Journal of hypertension. And

55:46

the title of the paper was reduced

55:48

dietary salt for the prevention of cardiovascular

55:50

disease meta analysis. This is a Cochrane

55:53

review from 2011. And you

55:56

know, this is not this has been replicated

55:59

in several studies. companies now. And

56:01

their conclusion was that there was

56:04

insufficient evidence that reducing salt. That's

56:06

why I didn't mention it. It

56:08

was intentional. Because salt is often

56:11

helpful and generally not

56:13

harmful except in the presence

56:15

of a potassium deficiency. So

56:19

it's pretty significant.

56:24

So I don't really, I encourage

56:26

people to eat sea salt, not

56:28

Morton's iodized salt. But

56:32

this study just said no

56:35

strong evidence of benefit. And

56:38

you know, they, in fact, I'm quoting

56:40

salt restriction, increased the risk of all

56:46

cause mortality in those

56:48

with heart failure. But I

56:50

recently spent some time with Maverick,

56:54

David Bronstein,

56:58

up in Michigan, who's published a book about,

57:00

I think it's called The

57:02

Great Salt. So on your way to

57:04

home. Yeah, Great Salt Myth or something like this. So, you know,

57:07

these are very interesting

57:09

issues to talk about because they're so

57:12

common. And they obviously have been around for a

57:14

long time and so you've really opened up our

57:16

minds. You know, we're pretty much out of time

57:18

for the show right now. So we're gonna have

57:20

to close it now. Did you

57:22

have any final words to our audience? Yeah,

57:25

I would just encourage folks to,

57:27

you know, look after your

57:29

health. We're happy to help you

57:32

at our clinic. It's michaelgata.com. Michael,

57:35

G-A-E-T-A or Gaita as you

57:37

were beautifully pronouncing in Italian.

57:40

The Italian way, michaelgata.com. And

57:43

that's the website for our clinic

57:45

and for our online school. I

57:47

also teach seminars around the country.

57:50

And so come get a consultation,

57:53

learn about the importance

57:55

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57:57

really revolutionizing healthcare these days. at

58:01

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58:03

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58:05

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58:08

we'll put all of that there. Yeah,

58:10

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58:12

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58:15

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58:18

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58:22

gets a consultation, gets an evaluation, kind

58:24

of like what we did today, for

58:27

yourself. The right tests and the right

58:29

approach at our clinic. Sure,

58:32

why not? You can certainly be better off

58:34

for it. Thank you so much for

58:36

joining us on the program. It's an honor

58:38

to be here, Peter. Let's get real, let's

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