0:08

This is me eater podcast coming

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at you shirtless, severely fog

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bitten and in my case, underwear listening podcast.

0:18

You can't predict anything, you

0:27

know. With everybody out trying to get

0:29

a big foot, shoot a big foot. A

0:31

dude wrote in that he canceled

0:34

his Guilly suite order and he includes

0:37

excludes a photo of the Guilly suit he was

0:39

fixing to get next to that

0:42

famous Patterson film

0:46

The big Foot walking by And dude, this Gillies is

0:48

a dead ringer. Man, it

0:51

was a smart move. Another

0:53

guy wrote in with a craction about snakes, we're talking

0:55

about this special news snake that got discovered from

0:57

Mexico. It was like you

1:00

hear about this peete, just a recap.

1:02

So years ago some

1:04

guys killed a snake and

1:06

in its belly was an unknown

1:09

species of snake. And it turns out it's its own,

1:12

not only its own undescribed

1:14

species, but it was an undescribed genus

1:18

um. And I was pointing out

1:20

how I was reading about how I had two packers. Now

1:23

a snake guy, a snake biologist guy wrote

1:26

in, what do they call those fellers?

1:28

Not herpetologist, snake

1:31

biologists, snake feller snake feller snack.

1:34

I thought you were asking what I thought you're asking

1:36

what they called? People? Are two peckers? No? No,

1:39

but like, uh, you know ich theologist

1:42

right, entomologists, entomologists?

1:46

What is it snake herpetologists?

1:48

Did I say that? Yeah? The first

1:51

guns on a roll one

1:54

role. Anyways, he said, this guy

1:56

has a sentence, he says, most podcast

1:58

he's generalizing, most

2:00

podcasts that mentioned snakes have

2:03

misinformation. For example,

2:06

all snakes have two packers. So

2:09

it wasn't as special. Snake is not

2:11

as special as I thought. Did

2:13

you know that? Be honest, I did not know that.

2:16

I didn't know that either, not prior to read

2:18

that email. What's the point of the second one? Yeah,

2:21

I don't know. Oh it didn't he say it? This

2:24

part of that email that I didn't. I

2:27

said, No, matter the orientation of

2:29

the snakes, they're capable of breeding. I think

2:31

is the point of the two. But

2:34

you know what's good? They

2:36

can only be oriented so many ways. I don't

2:40

So is there snakes? Man? They got all wrapped

2:42

up capable from all directions.

2:44

Like all the jokes we made about two packers last

2:46

time is now less funny. Oh, it's way less

2:48

funny. Yeah, no, it's just a normal plus

2:51

everybody that knows about snakes or sitting there thinking how

2:53

stupid to the jokes. Weren't funny that

2:55

so nobody's found this species of snake alive,

2:57

just dead and this one and here's the thing. The

2:59

only they did the genetic work on

3:01

it and what it was, I think they found

3:03

in the seventies, like they

3:06

did the work on it forty

3:08

years later. But the assumption is

3:11

still there somewhere. They think it's a ground dwelling

3:13

snake that maybe feeds on insects. Guy

3:17

rode in from France. He says, bonur, who

3:20

can do a good one? Here's

3:23

good? No, no, I've been there, I've been

3:25

there. I feel like caw can do it? Get

3:27

it, hit it like

3:31

a little inflection. That's a beauty

3:33

and the beast for him, that's very nice, he

3:36

writes. And he says that he likes to hunt.

3:38

He says, here here here about uh,

3:40

we like to hunt thrushes. A thrush,

3:44

he says, it's the top of the top to eat.

3:46

Now, a robin, your typical red breasted

3:48

robin is a thrush. But

3:51

that's the thing, man, and you have to eat a lot of songbirds,

3:54

Like in Italy they hunt a lot of songbirds. Yeah,

3:57

but they've also like eradicated

4:00

many many species due to their very taste.

4:02

And I normally eat the normally eating things.

4:04

Yeah, and so at some point they were like, no,

4:07

no, no, trust me, bro robbins

4:10

are delicious. Well, I

4:12

think they were eating you know that four and twenty blackbirds,

4:14

bake them in a pie peel,

4:17

and the you know the Egyptians eight little birds.

4:19

I mean there's you know, there's evidence

4:22

of that. So you're saying they're

4:24

eating birds, but just because they ran out of

4:26

other things to eat, Oh, they definitely did. They think

4:28

they were eating at all. Now a lot of it's gone.

4:30

They're still eating little birds, and we

4:32

just have because like the you know, the we

4:35

have rules that made that not the case. But I'm

4:37

sure once upon time here here

4:39

you can eat English

4:42

sparrows, which I've eaten because

4:44

they're non native starlings,

4:46

which I've eaten non

4:48

native in street

4:51

pigeons. Yeah

4:53

there, I mean there are recipes out there for crows

4:56

too. Yeah, there's a season

4:58

on crows. But if you know you read the guy

5:01

le Valden's um uh

5:06

on one. In one of his books, he touches on growing

5:08

up in France and he had this killer

5:12

childhood growing up in this old castle

5:14

in France. But he talks about like the coaching

5:16

culture and the hunting culture, and um,

5:20

you know, there are a lot of very well

5:22

known poachers out there that we're able to

5:24

kind of hold their heads high because

5:26

it was like

5:29

such a game to go out. Um,

5:31

but they would like drag net fields a

5:34

night for ground nesting birds. Basically

5:37

it was like almost like running a human

5:39

powder powered singer almost

5:42

where it's like guy sits there and then they like

5:44

pivot around the field and as these

5:46

birds flush at night, they're coming up and into

5:48

their net and then they just go straight from there to the

5:51

markets. And yeah,

5:54

the scopier talks a lot about all the birds. He's

5:56

even got a big breakdown of all the different little

5:58

birds songbirds and stuff off and like what

6:00

they're good for and what they're using for. But

6:03

here, you know, with the migratory you know, and there's

6:06

songbird protections, which is it's something

6:08

that happens here. The final

6:11

always telling me that down east North

6:13

Carolina they used to trot line

6:16

Robinson, oh

6:18

for for eating. M HM. Tell

6:20

you what. Uh. When I was growing up,

6:23

we tried to There's a kid down the beach from

6:26

us who his parents

6:28

called him j T. And j

6:30

T one day was trying to catch Robin

6:33

and with a baited with a worm

6:35

baited hook and uh,

6:38

that is what we call at the time is super set.

6:40

He sat, so he set

6:42

his hooked so aggressively that

6:45

without the friction of the line passing

6:47

through the water, that hook came

6:49

back and snagged him right in the eyebrow. Because

6:52

you know, like you said, the ones underwater, not a

6:54

lot happens. But on land, what

6:58

JT? Did

7:00

he have a scar? Didn't lose his eyesight?

7:03

I'd like to punch that dude and knows, to be honest with you,

7:06

not over that. Oh

7:09

it seems to be a history.

7:13

Dude from Germany so speaking of speaking

7:16

of fellows from foreign countries. But

7:18

dude from Germany sends a big wadman

7:21

child. Wait, what's that? Is that? Like

7:23

a middle finger weightman child

7:27

child that I feel

7:29

like that's way off. It's not w

7:33

A I D M A N

7:35

N s h E I

7:37

L He says, a big wadman

7:39

child. Yeah, they don't Germany,

7:43

they don't say Wadman, it would be like vot.

7:46

I'm not even gonna try now is embarrassing. But you

7:49

know, my old man, having fought in whiskey whiskey

7:51

too uh in the

7:53

European theater, never

7:56

forgave the Germans. And when he was

7:59

uh, when he would point out,

8:02

when when pressed on this, he would

8:04

point out he would he knew how to say I love you, and all

8:06

the languages, many languages, and

8:09

he'd say it, you know, with he'd

8:11

put his good of a shine on each languages

8:13

and for ursion that I love you, and how like beautiful

8:15

would be like. But in German, he's

8:19

like, what kind of people can't even say I love

8:22

you in a good sounding way. Yeah,

8:26

there's no talking about of it. Man. They

8:28

shot at him too many times. Uh, this dude

8:31

from Germany. Uh,

8:33

he says, as a former former

8:35

German infantry officer and a passionate

8:38

hunter, he's

8:40

talking about how we're talking about his safe handling

8:42

practices, you know, like using your

8:45

safety on your gun and whatnot like that, And

8:48

he says it's very surprising to hear American

8:50

hunters talk about this. I think

8:52

a big part of the world is under the impression that

8:55

all Americans have a cowboy mentality

8:57

and are carrying around cocked and chambered

8:59

gun all the time. You

9:02

did a good job bringing light into the dark and

9:04

fighting the prejudice that American

9:06

hunters are careless. So

9:08

big vat did you figure it out? Yeah,

9:11

it's a hunting term, originally to

9:13

congratulate a hunter on his success

9:15

in the field. Very appropriate. You're

9:18

gonna start learn how to pronounce that. You start using that,

9:20

I know, hold

9:22

on, listen, I

9:27

think they're gonna stay. Oh

9:29

that's great, it might come on. Let's

9:33

keep going. Do

9:36

you think it would? Let me see how it said? M

9:39

Vachman sneel. That's

9:42

not even child anyways.

9:46

Uh is that urban dictionary?

9:50

I'll say what it is. It's vets um

9:56

segueing out of that. A guy wrote

9:59

say that, man, it

10:01

just he's he he says, it destroys the segue.

10:05

When you point out that, he's

10:10

like, that's not You've made

10:12

it. Not if you feel like, hey, watch this segue,

10:14

He's like, you've just negated He he equates, and he's

10:17

trying to put it in language that I would understand. And

10:19

he says, let's say you snuck up within twenty

10:22

yards of an elk and then yelled, look how

10:24

close I am? No

10:26

iv himinly disagree with that guy. I

10:29

feel like if you say it's a transition, you

10:31

say it's If you're gonna make that statement, it makes

10:33

puts more pressure on it, so

10:36

you have to be better. It elevates your game.

10:38

Oh. I don't agree with him at all, but I just want to give it. You

10:42

know, he's a he's obviously a smart

10:44

guy, and I just wanted to let him know that he's heard.

10:47

And uh, I get it,

10:49

but but it's he has to chake, o, stab

10:51

and make convincing me um. And

10:54

we're trying to have fun around here, and

10:56

I think that that Oh, he thinks that there's fun

10:58

to be had. He just thinks you should have a little tally

11:01

and you can keep tracking. You can

11:03

keep track, and then later you can revisit

11:06

after the segways have served their purpose of

11:08

seamlessly without drawing

11:10

attention into the transitions. Then later

11:12

you could be like, did you notice earlier? Yeah,

11:15

Or the next episode Michelle could tally

11:18

while she's doing technos, and then the next episode

11:20

we can say so last week, Steve a

11:28

whole separate segue committee that gets to vote

11:30

on each each who has a slick of segways

11:34

from that UM.

11:37

A couple of guys wrote in about this thing HB,

11:41

which is a bill in Hawaii. You're

11:44

about this. It would prohibit you from

11:47

keeping in Hawaiian prohibit you from keeping

11:49

a firearm or AMMO in

11:51

your hotel room in the whole

11:54

damn state, which for a

11:56

traveling hunter creates

11:58

a lot of problems, lot of work for

12:01

law enforcement, it creates a lot of problems. I mean,

12:03

how's that going to be select individual?

12:06

It was some exclusion, so I don't even know

12:08

how I would deal with that. But I remember thinking,

12:10

like some guy he's like fixing the he's like playing

12:12

out a crime and he calls his bart and

12:14

he's like, ah, I'm not able to

12:16

do that crime after all, because this is a reading

12:19

about how you can't come

12:22

on. I went to school here in Montana

12:24

at M s U and Bozeman and UH

12:26

In the dorms they had a gun locker, and

12:29

as a eighteen year old freshman in

12:31

college, you could walk into the front lobby

12:33

of the dorm and hand over your shotgun.

12:35

A duck hunted a lot and my freshman

12:37

year in college and I remember walking into

12:39

my dorm and handing over my twelve gauge

12:42

over the counter to the

12:44

resident, uh you

12:46

know, whoever was running the show in there, and they locked

12:48

it up. I don't know if that's still a deal at at

12:50

Montana State. This a

12:53

resident of the r A. Yeah,

12:55

I was handing. I was handing it over to in

12:58

a dorm room situation. Correct, very

13:01

similar to a hotel though. It's like if you

13:03

were ten of a twelve year old, was your babysitter Like

13:07

with this thing, It's like, what are they driving that you supposed to leave

13:09

it out in your car? Better to put like if you're trying to

13:11

drive at like having it not fall into someone

13:14

hands. Yeah, yeah, uh

13:17

you know. I remember in high school when they brought

13:19

in the rule that you couldn't have

13:21

guns on campus, and I would run

13:23

my trap line after school. So

13:25

I kept, I kept. I had one of those twenty

13:27

gage twenty two over and under did

13:29

everybody owned? You know? It was

13:32

a marlin that little thumb thumb

13:34

cocker thumb selector on it. Your barrels

13:36

and you always mess that up cock cock

13:39

jump up or

13:42

like, you know whatever. Yeah,

13:45

I messed that thing was a lot of trouble, but I loved

13:47

it. But I remember

13:49

that rule comes into place and I go marching

13:51

down to the principal's office and talk about what to buying

13:54

that was gonna put me into it. He's like, oh, I had

13:56

don't worry about it. Yeah, just

13:58

just like, oh yeah, well you times

14:02

changed. Does they explain exactly

14:04

what they're trying to um stop?

14:07

Is it something after the Vegas shooting? Like

14:09

there he didn't tell anyone. Yeah,

14:11

that doesn't make me sense. They weren't like, oh yeah, bring them

14:13

all up. I'm pretty sure you didn't ask the front desk

14:15

for the commission. But yeah, I don't know what.

14:18

I don't know what. It just seems I don't

14:20

I don't understand it. It seems

14:22

like another cluttered law

14:24

and unecessarily putting people. It seems

14:26

like you're putting uh

14:29

people in a bad position. UM

14:32

speak of that. A lot of people, a lot of people wrote

14:34

in about just talking about like safe

14:37

handling practices in general. Um.

14:40

One guy who said he hunts with his in laws. In

14:43

his in laws h

14:46

are almost antagonistic towards uh

14:51

what he regards like pretty standard safe

14:53

practices, and he's got

14:55

to the point where he's got to the point where

14:57

he doesn't even like to be around him, and he

14:59

can't bring it up, like, hey, you know, let's follow some

15:01

safety protocols here, and you're like they shoot

15:04

him down, and uh, he says,

15:07

yeah, sorry, it's bad. Makes

15:09

him uncomfortable. Another guy Rode. He says, I traveled

15:11

to West Virginia for the holidays to

15:14

visit with my boy's family and hunt with

15:16

her great uncle. Now her great

15:18

uncle is eighty his name

15:20

is Jack. This guy,

15:24

when this eighty year old dude was a little kid,

15:27

he was out rabbit hunting with his

15:29

uncle and a rabbit runs off

15:32

and he doesn't get a crack at it, and the uncle

15:34

chastises him for having because if

15:36

you weren't using the safety, you to have gotten a shot

15:38

off. So then

15:40

he goes from the nineteen fifties to present

15:43

day, Uh,

15:45

refused to use the safety because

15:48

of that one getting busted, getting his balls

15:50

busted by his uncle all those

15:52

years ago. Um,

15:56

then this uncle, the

15:58

uncle that chastised the kid for

16:01

not getting the shot off at the rabbits, he's using his

16:03

safety is out coon hunting

16:06

and come morning he hasn't returned, so

16:09

they send people out to look for him. Search party

16:11

goes out in the Grandpa

16:15

right there, the great uncle, the eight year old dude

16:17

named Jack who was chastised as the boy.

16:19

He's part of the search party that goes out

16:22

to find the uncle who chastised him for using

16:24

his safety And sure enough, he's

16:26

laying there dead, a bunch of dogs running

16:28

around. It's coonhounds running around by his side,

16:30

and from the way everything was laid out, it seems

16:33

as though he might leaned his gun against a tree

16:35

and one of the dogs triggered it knocked

16:38

it over something. I remember

16:40

going out the group of guys. All this

16:42

is when I was, you know, young, young, um,

16:45

and it was one of those situations where,

16:48

um, you're kind of setting up. Everybody

16:51

sets up around a big canyon mouth

16:55

that the elk could disappear into, and

16:57

you're just kind of posting up waiting

17:00

for elk to come out, hopefully on your

17:02

part of the canyon where you get posted up as they

17:05

started coming out to feed at night. And

17:09

I'm the youngest guy by

17:12

at least ten years, and

17:17

you know, you're all sitting there and a you know, relatively

17:19

smaller, and you're like, it's

17:22

like, all right, somebody got something. Get

17:25

the cuttings and all

17:28

kind of got picked up, and

17:31

and it's like, well, somebody

17:33

got something. Somebody got something. And I'm

17:35

like the young excited kid, like, well where are

17:37

you? Where? Where is it? Where is it? Where is it? And

17:40

I was like, oh, you know what, I

17:43

didn't didn't didn't shoot anything. My

17:46

gun went off because

17:48

you know, I was all set up. I wasn't even looking at it

17:50

and uh and

17:54

grabbed the gun and the trigger must

17:56

have snagged and went off, and I

17:58

was like, well, deep, have your gun on safe,

18:01

right, I was like, kid right out a hunter safety.

18:03

And the guy proceeds to tell me in front of everybody

18:06

that well, you know, Ryan, when

18:09

you're in a really safe situation, it's

18:11

okay to put around and have a safety

18:13

off, and all the other

18:15

adults are just kind of like and

18:19

then like as soon as the group breaks up, my

18:22

my buddy Larry grabbing me, was like, hey, Pard, it's

18:25

like that guy rounds off

18:27

all the time. Don't

18:30

get in here that guy. I

18:32

can see the I can see the not like

18:34

like our general practice of not chambering

18:37

around until things get real gamey. I

18:40

could see that some people are like not going to buy into that.

18:43

But the idea of the safety

18:45

issue, I mean

18:48

asking for trouble, I mean, how

18:50

could you How could someone even make the point, especially

18:53

with everybody read jigger in their triggers

18:55

these days, everything's super

18:57

hot. I'll put a key put a guy's land. It's uh

19:00

see her a point eight pound trigger. Yeah,

19:02

really, that's interesting. We had

19:04

a backpack come into Stone Glacier for a

19:06

warranty situation. That guy was sent

19:09

it in. He said, a hunting accident. Uh,

19:11

please fix this if you can. And

19:13

it looked like a dog had chewed up on his backpack,

19:16

a lot of a lot of little holes that kind of looked

19:18

like, at first glance, looked like teeth

19:20

marks. And I called him. I was like, did

19:22

your dog get on your backpacks? Pretty normal for

19:24

dogs to chew up packs and hca

19:26

get blood on him? And yeah, probably

19:29

number one number one destruction of packs

19:31

is but real number one pack warranty absolutely,

19:35

And my kids want a dog real bad. I'm gonna tebu

19:40

backpack. So

19:42

I call a guy, I'm like, so what happened,

19:45

and I wanted him to fest up. This dog chewed on his

19:47

backpack, and he's like, honestly, I

19:49

saw grouse hunting with my wife. My

19:51

wife leaned her twelve gage against the tree, knocked

19:53

it over, twelve gage falls over,

19:56

goes off peppers my backpack and

19:59

it just live up his backpack shattered. The carbon

20:01

stays inside of it and just put all these little

20:04

tiny micro holes all throughout the framing bag.

20:06

But that I interpreted as

20:09

dog bites, but turns out it was a shotgun.

20:11

Let's stays like every I feel like everybody

20:13

has an accidental discharge story,

20:16

whether it involves you or someone

20:18

you know, Like, that's not it's not all

20:20

that uncommon. We were standing

20:23

in the Vortex booth a shot show here

20:25

two days ago, and they have a

20:27

scope in one of their you know, Vortex

20:30

v I P warranty, Right, Yeah, they

20:32

have like if you can find a shard, they'll send you

20:34

a new skull. Yeah, And

20:37

here's this scope and through the bell

20:39

of the scope is a bullet hole.

20:42

No, yes, And oh

20:44

my god, what's the story

20:46

on this. Well, it turns out a guy had

20:49

shot his gun. No, I

20:51

had taken a Uh. This it

20:53

got sent in by um,

20:55

a retailer right at a gun store

20:58

owner. UM, and somebody

21:00

had come in with a firearm and

21:03

asked somebody at the counter to check it out,

21:06

and and nobody during

21:08

the course of this check the sea

21:10

because bringing in a loaded firearm into

21:13

a store and they put

21:15

it on the deon and

21:17

it guy ends up shooting case

21:20

full of rifle scopes. See

21:23

that's where like with the with the safe handling, that's

21:25

where the part comes where like the

21:27

whole part about muscle control. Yes,

21:30

like if there was no question, did

21:33

nothing accidental

21:35

what ever happened, then you wouldn't have the extra

21:38

layer of like the reason you don't sweep

21:40

your muzzle around is

21:42

because of the very real possibility

21:45

that there are ways in which you could have So

21:48

it's like never pointed anywhere,

21:52

which which is an acknowledgement of

21:54

you never know. And then

21:56

all then the other stuff is all layered

21:59

over that with the the mental idea of like where

22:02

is it pointing in case the

22:04

unspeakable. Well, here's something that came up with

22:06

me recently, Like if you mount

22:09

your stone, glacier has like a rifle mount

22:11

on their packs. Most packed companies

22:13

will make like a little rifle sling and you mount in your pack. And

22:17

while that's great, I feel like I

22:19

want to know my shoulder because if it's just on

22:21

my pack and it's mounted behind my shoulder and

22:23

I have no control of the muzzle as I would if

22:25

it was slung over my shoulder. I can bend over

22:27

to go under a tree, I can duck down to

22:29

do this, and if I'm hunting with somebody, I have no control

22:32

over my muzzle other than where my body

22:34

goes. Yeah, I still like those things, though, I

22:36

like it they're comfortable. I

22:38

was kind of jealous on a recent hunt of folks

22:41

that had them. But then you can see, like when you're

22:43

crawling through some brush, you're you're digging around

22:45

somewhere, like you're you're now wherever you're

22:48

your shoulders points where your barrel points.

22:51

That's a good point. Lots

22:53

of dudes rolled recently

22:58

a gun we're sighting in and

23:00

rifles, and a fellows

23:02

using my rifle and never used my

23:04

rifle before, and it had three position

23:06

safety. So I was explaining the three position safety.

23:09

But this particular one is aftermarket,

23:12

and so it's not if you don't

23:14

have exactly in the middle position.

23:16

If it slides a little bit forward out of that position,

23:19

it's actually live, right, So you've

23:21

got to be very careful that if you're gonna use the middle

23:23

position of the safety, that it is in that middle

23:25

position. And he had been handling

23:27

the gun and then he came over to me,

23:30

and we hadn't started shooting yet, and I assumed

23:34

very wrongly that the goal was unloaded,

23:37

and so I went we went to I

23:39

went to explain to him how it worked within

23:41

point in a safe direction, point in the the safe direction,

23:44

and I flipped it forward to that to that spot

23:46

where the gun will go off, and I said, see, watch this,

23:49

I touched the trigger. Were

23:52

you surprised? I take full responsibility

23:55

because even though that person you

23:58

can say, how you can say, well, no, that person had

24:00

every right to have that gloaded. He was about to sit

24:02

down at the bench and start shooting

24:05

right. Um.

24:07

I personally I was gonna start

24:10

messing out with guns, and I had a loaded one, and I was going

24:12

to another person and say, hey, bro, got

24:14

one in the chamber here. But

24:17

it's still up to the person that touches that trigger.

24:20

That's we're talking about. What guys up. You can stand

24:22

there in front of him, check it hand to him. He just almost

24:25

right back up and checks it on his own. Oh yeah,

24:27

yeah, you're like, dude, I just checked it as

24:30

I feel like it. Used to be much better about it, because

24:33

if we have young guys, open them up, you know the

24:35

show, and then I'd stick my pinky in there

24:38

to see if I could feel one, you know, in case

24:40

for some reason your eyeball is I'm

24:44

always fingering my rifles.

24:47

That's definitely gonna be this podcast.

24:50

But I always I find

24:52

myself, even hunting situations, when

24:54

I flipped the safety off I'm getting ready to shoot

24:56

something, I'll say like going hot, even if no one else

24:58

is there, I'll going live one hot because

25:00

I'm just so used to. Every time that safety flips off

25:03

and I know that I'm about to send one

25:05

down range, I always in my brain is going hot,

25:07

going live. Um.

25:09

I found myself after somebody shoots

25:11

something repeatedly, as you know, everybody's

25:14

jacked up and excited, just got something, just

25:17

grilled people like gun unloaded safety,

25:21

and then I'll ask you again two minutes from now that

25:23

gun is still unloaded because everybody's all

25:25

jacked up. Everybody's excited to go get to

25:27

the deer or whatever it is. It's remember

25:30

it's very easy to racking on the one in and

25:32

the gun never gets put on safety. Second, because

25:35

you're thinking about a follow up. Yeah, that's

25:37

a time when I've here, like just in

25:40

our circle. Like when

25:42

you get up to something and

25:44

everybody's getting ready to do whatever and you're gonna

25:46

start skinning. There's a lot of verbal

25:49

checks around a lot

25:51

of verbal checks around safety. I got

25:53

one on that I wasn't hear for this, but I buddy of mind growing

25:56

up. You'll remember the night

25:58

disc rifle that was out for a time. It

26:00

had a it was a muzzle or you put a shotgun

26:02

primer in a little orange disk and then that you loaded

26:05

that in and then the hammer.

26:07

But yeah, it was a disc riightful for a time.

26:10

And this he was out with the buddy skinning the deer,

26:13

gutting the deer and he was, you know, had its legs

26:15

played open. He was in the middle gutting and his buddy was

26:17

coming over to check. He just walked up to

26:19

check his check the bucks how big it was, and

26:22

leaned over and the guy felt the muzzle

26:24

of the gun like in his back and

26:26

his liver, and he turned he turned

26:29

around to be like because the guy was leaning over him to look

26:31

like this, and had his had the gun pointed

26:34

down in his back, he wouldn't

26:36

paying attention the hammer drops.

26:38

He just didn't have a disk, didn't have a

26:40

primer in the muzzlo. If

26:42

he would have had a primer muzzleloer, the dudeoel have been

26:44

dead right there and then heard this, heard

26:47

the hammer drop, heard the snap of the hammer

26:49

and turned around to see a dude there with a gun

26:52

pointing into his liver like point

26:54

blank range. My my friend and

26:56

co worker, Law, he will at Stone

26:58

Glacier got shot in the guts when he

27:01

was a kid by a h

27:04

a green horn hunter. Yeah. Law

27:06

grew up out in the sticks, out in Wildman and

27:09

uh, they took a buddy out and introduced him the hunting.

27:11

And I don't know if they were I'm gonna butcher the story if I

27:13

don't know if they're hunting rabbits or whatever they were doing,

27:16

but I believe it was a small caliber rifle like a two.

27:19

And by the end of the horrible

27:21

story, Lao had a twenty two bullet

27:24

in his guts. Really yeah, shot

27:28

in the forties, Yeah, with a

27:30

shotgun, right, someone shot him to the the foot hunting rabbits.

27:34

But I've never even like it's funny because I've never even

27:36

seen like a close I mean, I haven't been around

27:38

even like a close call. But got to hear about it,

27:40

man, it's scary. Keep your stuff,

27:43

malls of control. That'll

27:45

solve all every one of those problems.

27:48

Yea, every

27:51

sorry treat

27:54

every every it's

27:56

loaded, every guns loaded. Yeah. Yeah,

27:58

the gun club I used to belong to Washington,

28:01

Dad like that some major general's

28:03

principles or whatever. Well, the n A has a

28:05

safegun handling wallss. Don't point at anything

28:07

you don't always loaded, don't point at anything

28:09

you don't intend to shoot, and never put your

28:12

finger on the trigger until fire. Safe

28:15

gun handling hard hard to mess up with those three

28:17

rules. It rules out a lot

28:19

of They're pretty foul. Everyone followed

28:21

that we wouldn't be having the conversation. I got one of those

28:23

Reming tants one time. I remember what maker model

28:26

of the gun this is, But those Reming tans, when you flipped

28:28

them from uh fire

28:31

or safety to fire when the seven

28:35

defense. I was trying to shoot a fox on Kodiak

28:37

one day and got lined up on

28:39

this fox. He's like two hundred yards away, and I flipped

28:42

it from safety to fire and boom

28:44

going one off and scared

28:48

because you had a finger on it. No, I did not touch

28:50

the trigger at all. There was it was people

28:54

got shot. A lot of people

28:56

in Montana. There was a defect and how

28:59

there was years ago right this

29:01

is. Lots

29:06

of people wrote in about

29:09

deer crawling. We

29:13

talked about a guy that was saying, I watched the deer

29:15

crawl on his knees across the power line cut.

29:19

Our buddy, Steve Jones is a wild game chef,

29:23

very good one. Um

29:25

Me and Yanni have fed off his cookings.

29:29

Okay, hope we'll get to do that again. Good

29:31

dude, he says. Now, he

29:34

says he similar sees

29:36

three does three antlerless deer crossed

29:39

the power cut on his farm, his fellers

29:41

from Missouri. Two

29:44

of them cross normal and yet as normal as any

29:46

other deer. The third and

29:48

largest, when she crossed the cut,

29:52

she crouched down and slunk

29:54

across the cut without pausing or stopping.

29:58

Once she got across. She back up

30:01

and walked away like any other deer. She

30:03

was moving quickly en up. He's like, I'm positive she

30:05

was not walking on her knees. As one guy

30:07

that rolled in to say he saw a deer walking on his

30:09

knees. It was just

30:11

a deep crouch and it looked

30:13

extremely weird and definitely appeared

30:16

to be an attempt to reduce her visibility.

30:19

Another guy rolled it and said another guy rolling

30:21

and said he flat out watched

30:24

a buck crawl on its

30:26

knees. They were making a deer drive, and

30:30

he's he looks back and his dad's

30:32

coming through, and he watched the bucks

30:34

go down and crawling on his knees

30:36

for seventy five yards right in front of him.

30:38

No one ever believed him,

30:42

he says. When he heard us talk about, he says, he about

30:44

drove off the road. I

30:49

was wondering thinking about this the

30:51

other day. I was wondering why the

30:53

deer crawl? Why would it crawl across

30:56

the power line? It's wide open, what

30:58

do you oh, there's a lot of brushy

31:00

power They're typically they're

31:02

typically brushy. I was thinking of, like, okay,

31:05

because all second growths, all regeneration

31:07

man, I was just thinking staying keeping little

31:09

pro and they know the people our eyes perched

31:11

up on power That's one thing I've

31:13

perched up on. More shot

31:15

a lot of turkeys on under

31:18

Yeah, we got a turkey this spring. I'm one of those super

31:20

loud power lines and killed

31:23

two out of there where you're like hun, You're like, you know, you're

31:25

like trying to get into the peacefulness. And I was just like nature,

31:31

it's electricities. But that's

31:33

the thing, is like it's

31:35

one of those like power cuts, one of those weird things

31:37

where typically people are like, oh, yeah, any

31:39

activity of man is

31:42

negative. But if

31:44

you if you live in some poor and I grew up

31:46

in some poor, low grade,

31:50

poor ass soil country where

31:52

the typical like like a

31:55

forest they're kind of matured into

31:58

because sandy soils and kind of matured into

32:00

like small white pines and

32:05

bushy little scrub oaks like not rich

32:08

place. But power cuts we're

32:12

good edge habitat, man, Yeah, because it

32:14

created it created brush, and it created edge habitat

32:17

because you can go out in the woods in most places you look two

32:19

d yards there's not a lot of

32:21

cover. So power cuts like

32:23

as a fur trapper, you, dude,

32:26

you get it as excited about a power cut as he did a river.

32:30

Things travel on power cuts. They called a lot

32:32

of fox on power cuts because they can they can hunt the

32:34

brush and there's usually

32:36

like a little road down so it gives like a great

32:38

game trail that runs down through the brush and

32:40

everything would run upon. Yeah. I know a lot of

32:42

guys that are put a tree stand up and see

32:44

a power cut. Put a tree stand up. Every

32:47

yeah, edge habitat, this is

32:49

a break, a break and something in a travel

32:51

corridor. Well, that dear that was crawling must not a

32:53

thought. Well a guy might be in a tree, so you

32:55

can see down either way whether I

32:57

crawl or not. It's hard to say how much dear thought

33:00

thought it. But it isn't not worthy. And I just want

33:02

to acknowledge, Like I have a hard time picture it, but I want

33:04

to knowledge that. If there's people out there debate at this point,

33:08

a little bit of follow up to one, Yeah, he's gonna explain

33:11

this one the Ohio a

33:14

guy shot a

33:17

gigantic white tail in Ohio

33:23

in buck six

33:27

points? Is this the world record one? Or that

33:29

was not? It was? That was?

33:33

This is the poacher poetry in Ohio.

33:35

It's a little different. And he did a bunch of crazy stuff,

33:37

like he had a dough and he like cut

33:40

one's deer's head off and tried to like

33:42

another deer, and he had all kinds

33:44

of stuff. He was shady, shady. It wasn't like he

33:46

messed up and made a mistake. It was like he was He

33:49

killed a buck, saw a big buck, shot the

33:51

big buck. Tried to switch everybody's heads around

33:53

this weird stuff. It winds

33:56

up like a super guilty, super

33:58

guilty sound, super guilty seamen stuff

34:01

and gets a fine. It's dollars

34:05

Amish guy, that's right. Everyone likes to

34:07

point out that the brother's Amish, But me, come on, if

34:10

you as a descriptor, if he was Methodist,

34:12

would that be a big part of the story. Well, he

34:15

probably wearing you know, certain type of clothing. Well,

34:17

they said he was unavailable for comment. But

34:21

I feel like it's like a little It's like it's not respond

34:23

to text me racist

34:26

because it's not like a racial thing, but it's like a prejudice.

34:29

Like people everyone's like

34:31

Amish man. The headlines Amish man.

34:33

It would never be like Baptist man.

34:39

What is going going through mountain

34:42

attacks. You know, they're the mountain lion attacks

34:44

and in Washington, UM

34:47

last year, and yeah,

34:50

I'm searching through Google and they're

34:52

all the exact same story, but

34:54

one of the headlines, I feel, purely

34:57

in order to make it stand out a little bit

34:59

more, is instead of cyclist

35:01

attacked by mountain lion, Jewish

35:04

cyclist.

35:09

Even getting like it's gotten this bad,

35:11

the anti Semite cat.

35:15

Yeah, I don't get like, like, I don't know,

35:18

Amish might be more of a descriptor, like you could picture

35:21

what he might look like. I know, but a

35:23

little bit I'm like a little bit uncomfortable

35:26

with. Um, I'm a little bit uncomfortable

35:28

with I

35:31

don't know what it's playing into. I don't know what it's feeding

35:33

into. No, I agree,

35:37

you're like, but it's a big denomin but it's

35:40

like, I don't know, it just makes me like slightly uncomfortable.

35:42

I would not be just a poacher, that's

35:44

true. Like it's

35:47

worse. You know, they keep it's a low profile

35:50

maybe and maybe they're known to I

35:52

don't know, to never do anything.

35:54

These are the exact sties, right, No,

35:57

I know that's what I'm saying. But that's what I'm saying. Why

35:59

some one would I would say, well, you

36:02

wouldn't believe it. It wasn't just any

36:04

poacher breaking Sish the

36:08

good you know, you know, the parable the good Smaritans. Well,

36:12

um, dude, the good Smaritans.

36:14

Samaritans were known as horrible people. So

36:17

people always like, what you're saying is a

36:20

good bad guy. Yeah, you're saying like these guys

36:22

are the Smaritans are the worst of the

36:24

worst. So yeah, blat

36:26

of people don't realize that that's part of it. Like the Smaritans

36:28

had a very bad I gather, I

36:30

don't I hope I'm not offending any Smaritans out there,

36:33

had a real bad reputation. And then

36:35

so it's like the fact that one turns out

36:37

being good, it's real surprising. So when

36:39

you say, like an Amish poacher, I don't know if

36:41

you're saying like these

36:44

pillars of virtue or

36:46

if you're saying it just goes to show you

36:51

certain religious people. So

36:53

we're talking about notice, so someone

36:55

just wrote in to explain how they

36:57

had come up with the dollar fine,

37:00

right, yeah, which is a good story. Yeah,

37:03

and in and I try to get ahold

37:05

of the legal department over at

37:07

Ohio Game and Fish. Should

37:09

it calls you Pete, that's where you help from. Maybe

37:12

you just say call Cindy.

37:15

Um. But I couldn't get

37:17

an answer on our They

37:19

have a formula on how they figure

37:22

out, um, how much to find

37:24

a person. Understand it's

37:27

exponential to the

37:30

size of the antlers. The

37:32

formula is gross score minus

37:35

one d. That's the part that

37:37

gets me and finished, yeah,

37:41

uh to the second power times

37:44

a dollar and sixty. So

37:47

it's the So this box was a two twenty

37:49

something. You

37:52

act a hundred off and then square that

37:54

number and times.

37:58

I love the sentiment and of sure that someone could explain

38:00

it. I don't get the part about was it like

38:03

without taking a hundred off and not being

38:05

like, man, that's a big fine. How

38:07

can we make it less? And so I was like, well, let's take a hundred

38:09

off then square was

38:12

there how

38:16

they calculated? No, we're trying to figure

38:18

out where they where where it came from, Like where did the

38:20

dollar sixty five come from? I'm sure

38:22

that there is a repeated it's

38:24

gross score yep, minus

38:26

one hundred then square

38:29

that number squared. So

38:34

for example, we know that a two or thirty inch

38:36

deer. It gets you about twenty eight thous dollars

38:38

in trouble. And actually I did the mask

38:40

to thirty ended up being a because

38:43

there was some add on. Yeah, so

38:46

let's just say you're not that lucky

38:48

of a poacher to get into two thirty

38:51

and you just kill a hundred fifty in and

38:53

they started in

38:55

Ohio. That's where they can That's when trophy starts.

38:57

Oh so that's when it's like a different kind of poaching.

39:00

I like the system, man, because I think if a dude,

39:02

if a guy like shot him, if a guy

39:04

shots a spike, it's

39:06

just I don't know, man, It's like, I don't I'm not condoning

39:09

anything, any kind of violation or poacher, but

39:11

it's a guy that poaches trophy

39:13

class stuff, in my mind, is a different kind of poacher

39:15

than But I feel like this might

39:18

be encouraging folks just shoot the spikes.

39:20

Be like, hey, that spikes for us. You know, now

39:22

that we've given the formula,

39:25

it's not that bad. Okay, we run it out. But he

39:27

shoots, let's say he shot you

39:34

know you came from

39:39

I think the state pays you at that point, that's

39:41

what that's

39:44

got to be. What it is, may well

39:47

know what it is because the restitution,

39:50

the trophy restitution doesn't kick in until

39:52

it gets to a certain size. This

39:54

is I mean, the way this is

39:56

set up is that animal

39:59

has been that belongs to the states,

40:03

to the people of the state, has been costing the

40:05

people of the state money

40:07

as it grows, right, and

40:10

by the time it gets into a trophy class animal,

40:13

it has lived much longer and

40:15

eaten much more, and it has a greater

40:17

cultural value. That's the thought they're trying to recoup

40:19

the grass the thing at oh Man,

40:22

you're saying that we management

40:24

is expensive. Okay, got creating

40:27

a talking about his day to day diet. No,

40:30

but I was expensive to the state. I

40:33

think he's justify it very it's expensive

40:35

to the state. It takes work

40:37

an effort to have it situation

40:40

which deer can become three, four or five years old. It's

40:43

like it happens not by accident. Absolutely

40:45

committed allowing it to happen, and

40:47

you just screwed the whole thing up. And

40:50

there's a lot of people who are paying real

40:52

good money buying licenses

40:54

and paying least fees and

40:56

putting out tree stands, and all of a sudden you robbed everybody

40:59

of that. Now you're gonna pay? What if you showed it? What if you

41:01

shoot a dough it's probably

41:03

a different So if you don't get the

41:07

like trophy restitution. But

41:09

then also I think, if I'm hearing you

41:11

correctly, Steve, you are also like the

41:13

odds of a man who is

41:15

poaching because he is

41:18

he or she. I suppose this poacher

41:20

is poaching because they're starving to death and

41:23

them happening to come up with a two thirty

41:25

seven inch deer. Yeah,

41:30

real lucky, real real unlucky.

41:32

Yeah. I like, personally, I see both sides

41:35

of it. I'd be like, well, it's poaching, is poaching,

41:37

it doesn't matter. I see that. I

41:39

also see that if you're out

41:41

trying to poach trophy class

41:44

animals, it's

41:46

just the worst, like all crimes

41:48

relative. Well, that it would make sense

41:50

to me if there's like the baseline punishments and this

41:52

is just an extra add on in case you're

41:55

in in case that dear is bigger than or

41:57

scores bigger than. Yeah,

42:01

well, the exponential you know,

42:03

the squaring really does a lot because the hundred fifty

42:05

inch only costs you four thousand.

42:08

Oh man, Yeah, they don't want

42:11

you getting them. Bill Booners know,

42:16

well, just even on like the

42:18

the poacher, because you're starving to death. Example,

42:21

right, even if you are poaching

42:23

for big gas trophy

42:25

class animals, likely not

42:27

going to be your first foray into the poaching

42:30

field and you're coming up with a two back.

42:33

Yeah, even if you are a dead set on a big

42:35

trophy class critter, you've

42:38

probably got some real poaching under your belt by the

42:40

time you come up with one of those. Yeah, you've

42:42

actually got good at it. That's

42:45

an interesting subject. You Everyone that

42:47

makes its own gravy too, there's

42:49

another poach in case it makes them gravy. You

42:52

guys ready for this, you

42:55

know? For I do that guy

42:58

asked hum Ken make hog

43:00

jerky without getting trick mhm.

43:03

I gotta get it up to temp man. When

43:06

I got reported, when I did, when I got trick

43:08

analysis, Uh,

43:11

you know, it's a CDC reportable disease.

43:13

So you had to go down and they and and

43:16

I was reported in King County. And

43:19

the guy that got it before me got

43:21

it two thousand seven. He got it from Mountain lion

43:23

jerky. Oh, because

43:25

if you're not bringing it up to temp, you're

43:27

not destroying You're not

43:29

destroying the ciss. So if you're

43:32

making just like if you're taking trick positive

43:34

meat or

43:38

drying it at a hundred degrees good

43:41

enough, you're still you. You're still susceptible

43:43

to getting trick. So I'm assuming he's

43:45

talking wild hog jerky.

43:48

Yeah, you gotta bring

43:50

it up. I haven't

43:52

made a whole lot of bear jerky, but when I have, we just

43:54

threw it in the oven and

43:57

and and stuck it in the oven at two for

43:59

long time, just to get it up to temperature.

44:04

No, what do you got to think about

44:06

the answer is, yes, you can. He's

44:09

saying, let me. He says, can you make

44:11

hog jerky without getting tricked? My

44:14

answer would be, well, that

44:16

that's a that's I don't like how

44:18

it's phrased. Certainly there

44:20

are plenty of can

44:24

you know? If he said can you make

44:26

hog jerky and be certain you will

44:28

not get tricked, then the answer is no, can

44:31

you make hog jerky without getting tricked? I'm sure it's

44:33

been done. Is that a good idea? No, it's not a good

44:35

idea because you

44:38

are not killing the Yeah,

44:41

mostly you're just gonna end up with a little

44:44

more overcooked jerky than you'd

44:46

probably like to have. Yeah, is

44:50

not as good as jerky has been dried. What's the

44:52

special number we go for to ki, Yeah,

44:59

well sixty. I recently had

45:01

a debate with someone where they're saying, uh,

45:04

I was saying, you gotta cook havelina?

45:07

Do you know of anybody getting tricked from Havelina? And

45:11

I had to acknowledge that, No, I don't. They

45:13

they're like omnivorous, they

45:15

eat all kinds of meat. Yeah,

45:17

I've I've actually, man, yeah, I've eaten there

45:20

has to be a possibility I mean undercooked.

45:22

I've meant undercooked Havelena. I mean like not

45:24

undercooked, but under one sixty. I'm

45:27

sure. I'm sure someone's looking to type

45:29

that up. Yehnny, that's a good that's a good point.

45:34

A trick from it's

45:36

been it's been linked to walrus where

45:40

wild pigs. Why yeah, why, Like you said, why

45:42

would not mountain lions carry it? It's not like

45:44

it's just a pork thing. No, mountain

45:47

lions carry it. All

45:50

that stuff, even like like weasels, rats,

45:53

mice, there's no way that I have Lina, which

45:55

are going to eat a dead dog if you let it,

45:58

that's exempt from this is not

46:00

getting it. So there's no there's no unglance

46:03

that Carrie, now that I know of.

46:05

No. Even though a white tailed deer

46:07

have now been proven to eat birds out of their nests,

46:10

people have seen it. So you wonder, that's

46:12

crazy, man, if

46:14

you got a deer out and your kids

46:16

like people

46:18

a little baby birds, come on, that's

46:20

horrible. Tell

46:23

dude, in Europe, even our even our deer song

46:26

birds. Okay,

46:28

here here's the here's the here's the poaching case

46:30

that this is the one that I think makes it's gravy,

46:32

makes his own gravy, and the way it's been covered

46:35

is annoying. First,

46:38

okay, this is a tricky one. This

46:40

is a tricky one. So there's some guys in Prince Williams

46:42

sound um

46:46

and they kill

46:49

a blackbird out it's den and

46:52

kill some cobs out of the den. Now,

46:57

a couple of things that are interesting. One they

47:01

this den is under surveillance by

47:04

fishing Game for a study. So

47:06

these guys do it all on camera. Ah,

47:11

so there's no doubt about guilt

47:14

here to get him on film doing this. They

47:18

one thing that's interesting is they kill a

47:20

black bear sal and kill some cubs,

47:23

but then butcher the butcher the sal for

47:25

meat and haul off the meat,

47:27

but then later decided to come back and

47:30

get the cups. These

47:33

guys get hit with some heavy

47:35

duty fines ah

47:39

dollar fine, jail

47:42

time, um,

47:44

and then they lose a

47:47

ton of stuff right down to boats,

47:52

oh, trailers, guns,

47:54

all kinds of stuff in

47:57

this I'm looking at this, this publication called

47:59

the Hill, and this is where

48:01

this thing starts to make it scrapy. So these guys get

48:04

humongous fine and this thing confuses

48:06

this rule that

48:09

we've talked about a ton of times, which everybody

48:11

keeps reporting in the most irresponsible

48:13

way possible. Where in Alaska,

48:17

there was recently under

48:20

the Obama administration, they put some some

48:22

game management practice restrictions

48:24

on refuge lands in Alaska.

48:28

So you're talking like of the

48:30

total land mass of Alaska is

48:32

in the refuge system. And the federal government

48:34

came in and had some federal overlays

48:37

of management practices that could not

48:39

be used by the state on

48:42

refuge land. And it had to do it has

48:44

to do with like bear baiting, um

48:47

with den digging, digging

48:50

black bears out of den with artificial light, like

48:52

they banned it. Where the state couldn't

48:54

decide to use management practices

48:56

on refuge land. Meanwhile,

49:00

the state is able to

49:04

do whatever management practices they desire

49:06

on the other eight seven percent

49:09

of the state and in most

49:11

cases do not allow these managements. They

49:13

don't allow these management practices. So

49:16

this is a funny example where here's a guy hunting,

49:18

not on a refuge He

49:20

kills the baron's den, goes to

49:23

jail, gets

49:25

a massive fine, loses all of his

49:27

equipment, loses his boat, loses his guns,

49:29

can't hunt anymore, right, not

49:32

on a refuge land. It's in a place where the state

49:34

does not allow the

49:37

killing of cubs. So this

49:39

piece then reports it and they point

49:41

out like, oh, they

49:44

do so little research. They point out that,

49:46

oh, um, it used to be

49:49

uh. They try to make it illegal,

49:51

but Alaska won't. It

49:54

doesn't want to be illegal. It's like, no, not

49:56

exactly right. This is Alaska

49:58

deciding that this place that's

50:01

not legal and then prosecuting the

50:03

piss out of a guy who breaks

50:05

the rule. But you keep seeing this narrative

50:07

pushed in the news that somehow Alaska

50:10

wants to just gloves off,

50:12

dig every bear in the state out of its

50:14

then and kill it, and people will not

50:17

no one, no one will

50:19

report this responsibly and explaining

50:22

what it is that they're talking about. They

50:25

keep making a big deal about shooting, like, oh, we can shoot

50:27

cariboo out of boats. That happens in one game

50:29

management unit on the North Slope where

50:31

people have traditionally intercepted migrating herds

50:33

of carib who as they swim across big rivers.

50:36

So the whole state you

50:39

can't. There's a place that you can where

50:42

they feel that it's judicious uh

50:45

and and conforms of their management policies

50:47

to do it there. But no, like, no

50:49

one will report this properly makes the headline.

50:54

There's a lot of details around that case too. Then that those

50:56

guys got one a thirty day

50:58

There was some jail time involved. It was thirty day

51:00

sentence, but it was commuted. Maybe the sons

51:02

was commuted and the fathers was

51:05

to be carried out, I believe because the kid

51:07

was only it was I think seventeen would

51:09

have happened. But the father also falsified

51:11

who killed what and lied and

51:13

false fied some documents and did some things that

51:15

were somehow

51:18

during this exchange, Dad uh wanted

51:21

to make make it so

51:24

he had shot the bear. Not yeah, not

51:26

the kids. It was Dad's tag that ended

51:28

up on the south. Oh really, and

51:31

they've got game cash. You said, they've got game camera

51:33

footage of of the You

51:36

know, it's a little bit like a little

51:38

bit too late speaking of the fine thing is that's

51:40

good? The kid also part of his sentence,

51:43

which is like community service, suspended

51:45

jail time, fines, they also

51:47

sentenced him to take hunter safety courts two

51:52

years two years no hunt, two

51:55

years no hunt for that. No,

51:59

it's good. Ah, what

52:01

do you what do you do? I

52:04

mean, I just feel like these

52:06

folks have been living underneath the rock somewhere.

52:08

It's like, yeah, I mean

52:11

they're obviously they came back two days two days

52:13

later to try to clean it up. They

52:15

obviously knew what was going on. So

52:19

throw the book, Adam, I say, yeah,

52:21

that's not not

52:23

not cool. Bro Um,

52:27

do you want me to tell him about the Pennsylvania guy

52:29

that might get a couple of fines for not

52:32

poaching but something, Yeah, this is

52:34

something we should talk about me. I wanted to talk about

52:36

this. Yeah, this is a crazy story.

52:39

Yeah, this felt. I gets a

52:41

call from his buddies buddy

52:45

who must live on or he's near lake, and he

52:47

says, hey, man, a bunch of deer fell through the

52:49

ice struggling. So

52:51

he shows up on the scene. Some of the deer have gotten

52:53

out, but there's a small box. It's a spike

52:55

of work, and yeah,

52:58

he's still stuck in the wall. So there's

53:01

already already some rescuers, their fire

53:03

department, I think, and they get the buck out,

53:06

and I think it's a story when there was already

53:08

some management, um, wildlife

53:10

management folks. They're on the scene and

53:13

um the guy volunteers to take

53:15

the buck home and try to warm it up. Nobody

53:19

says no, so he's like so

53:21

they're like yeah, because the box like is not

53:23

moving right, He's just laying there, barely breathing.

53:26

So these figures, I'll stick him in the garage, throw

53:28

some blankets on him and hopefully get

53:30

is you know, temperature back up,

53:32

and run out at the garage door. Well,

53:35

uh, I think he's in the garage for thirty

53:37

six hours or something and unfortunately

53:39

dies. Well, then

53:42

the Pennsylvania Game Commission comes

53:44

around and says, you shouldn't have taken

53:47

that deer. You can relocate

53:49

wildlife, but it has to be from one wild

53:52

area to another. You can't take it home

53:55

and keep it alive.

53:57

Now he's looking at find up to of

54:00

dollars the deer died.

54:02

Talk about that that's that's

54:04

very hard to prove because look

54:07

at where white tails live, like that

54:11

could be as wild as that could do is garage.

54:13

It could be just as wild as und

54:17

I would disagree with the garage, as wild

54:19

as anything.

54:21

Maybe maybe he needed to be outside

54:24

next to the driveway, next to the shrubs. And then

54:26

I see what you're saying. The pictures,

54:28

he's just a picture. It's

54:31

like he's got laid out with

54:33

a blanket and a Pillow's

54:36

got a pillow. It's like laid out like

54:38

a child laying there. It's like it's like a deer.

54:40

So he didn't even I haven't liked it. I have a lot of question

54:43

about diddy check. He's

54:45

in the garage. The buck is laying on his side,

54:48

his head's on a pillow, and he's like funked

54:50

in with a blanket. He's trying to help.

54:53

It's all boils down to your intention because

54:55

they thought pettent it would calm it. Now, No,

54:58

that's not gonna help. That's like not

55:00

what he's after. Uh

55:02

my buddy Ryan Laton one time was

55:06

he pulled he fished two fawns, two fawn

55:09

blacktails out of the ocean and

55:11

pulled him up on his landing craft and

55:15

one died. I think then you know when he

55:17

got wrapped up in a space blanket and

55:21

got it to shore and wrapped up in another

55:23

blanket and got it warmed off, and event she ran off,

55:25

so he'd be like breaking the law. But

55:27

do you like he didn't bring home. Here's a whole different

55:30

left turn. Would you do you eat it? At that point

55:32

the deer dies in your garage with a pillow in the blanket,

55:34

I think this guy probably doesn't eat it. Basically, yeah,

55:39

I feel like it respect to the deer that you

55:41

would eat it rather than just bury it. I

55:43

can relate pretty closely to the story. I was

55:46

out antelop hunting one day and found a

55:48

white tail fawn that had been smoked

55:50

by a truck and was

55:52

laying in the middle of the road, very wounded. Um

55:55

heavily king cussed, but it's its legs

55:57

were not broken. And within a

56:00

year of finding this year, I had found another fawn

56:03

that was horribly hit by a car,

56:05

alive, all legs broken,

56:07

and I shot the deer put

56:09

it out of its misery on the side of the road, and

56:12

that was a horrible experience. Anyways, I find this

56:14

other one and its legs are

56:16

not broken. So I

56:18

did with this Pennsylvania guy did I've loaded

56:20

him up and I called f WP as

56:22

I took it home and I said, I've just found this wounded

56:25

baby deer. They said that cannot

56:27

be in your possession. You need

56:29

to uh go

56:32

put it back you found it or quickly handed off

56:34

to someone else. So I

56:36

took care of it for a short period of time and

56:39

handed it over to a wildlife sanctuary in

56:41

Hamilton, Montana. And

56:43

as far as I know that deer lived a happy,

56:45

healthy life, why

56:49

do you doubt it? Because I hear I've heard

56:51

from people that like that they have a

56:53

horrible time, uh deal

56:56

with wounded wounded deer. This

56:58

thing, this thing was heavily can

57:00

cussed, like its head was just spinning

57:02

around, lived

57:05

happily ever after well, I was

57:07

around the deer for upwards of a week

57:10

and UH took it.

57:13

Yeah, I love it. Not really interesting,

57:19

Yeah I do. I yeah, especially after

57:22

it was like this this Uh you know, I had

57:24

like a second chance because a year prior

57:27

I had uh yeah, put

57:29

it, put down this poor little creature

57:31

that I can't fix your broken legs. You

57:33

know, this thing didn't have a chance. So I did. I

57:35

finished off a very wounded deer on the side of the

57:37

road, and it broke my heart. And then a

57:40

year later I was like, maybe this one has a chance. Its

57:42

legs are not broken. And

57:44

so it made it through the first week and

57:46

as far as I know, lived happily ever after

57:49

in Hamilton, Montana at a wild

57:51

life sanctuary. Did

57:53

they name it No? I named

57:55

it a little baby road rash because it was

57:58

scraped up real bad. This is really

58:01

I'm looking at you totally different to me now, man. I

58:03

like what I'm seeing. I like what I'm

58:05

seeing when I look at you. This is a related

58:07

story, uh

58:10

that the guy wrote in about the guy lives in Idaho

58:13

and he runs into a guy

58:16

who is from an out of stator

58:18

from Ohio who's out wolf

58:21

hunting and the guy's asking

58:23

around. He says he's been hunting, has

58:25

took us off, hasn't seen any wolves. This

58:28

guy says, well, I'll keep my eyes. I won't let you

58:30

know what I hear and what I see, and likewise,

58:32

let me know if you are running any elk. Because he's

58:34

hunting for elk. Oh guys

58:36

from Missouri, not Ohio.

58:39

So he goes out hunting

58:42

elk. The local goes

58:44

out hunting elk, gets into

58:46

a bunch of wolves, calls a dude from

58:48

Missouri. The dude tells him he man get

58:50

out to this area. The guy goes out, sure

58:52

enough, gets a wolf. So he's real happy

58:55

with this local fella. Then

58:57

he calls him and he's saying, you're not gonna believe

58:59

this. This the Missouri guy in Idaho

59:01

calling the local fellow. You're not gonna

59:03

believe this. But we turned onto

59:06

a bridge and there was a big bull standing

59:09

on the bridge, and this bull

59:12

jumped off the bridge and

59:15

it right now is laying down on the

59:17

rocks with a broken

59:19

back. So

59:23

come get it. Yeah, Well, a

59:26

while later, the guy calls the

59:29

wolf hunter calls the guy back,

59:32

goes, I'm telling you, man, we just drove

59:34

by again and now it's dead on

59:36

the rocks. He says, it's a big bull and

59:39

the guy, the local guy was like, were

59:41

there from Missouri? Is probably a raghorn. What do they know about

59:44

big bulls? With him and his body who still

59:46

got a elk? Take drive over. It's a

59:51

three fifty bulls laying dead

59:53

under the bridge. And he said, we had a grueling

59:55

twenty yard pack out. Yeah,

1:00:00

tagged in the haul the home a little. I've seen a video of

1:00:02

he said me. It was all good video of somebody

1:00:05

driving their car across the bridge and some rut

1:00:07

crazed white tail comes onto the bridge

1:00:09

and it doesn't know where to go and it spills off the

1:00:12

side and executes itself

1:00:14

pretty promptly. When I was going

1:00:17

to the University of Montana,

1:00:21

I can't remember, it was five or seven mule deer got

1:00:23

into the parking garage, spiraled

1:00:25

their way up the

1:00:28

ramps to the top of the parking garage,

1:00:30

and then all bailed off and we're all laying dead in the

1:00:32

pile below the parking garage, off

1:00:34

the edge there. And I remember at the

1:00:36

same around the same time, a mountain lion killed

1:00:39

mule and stashed against the mechanical building,

1:00:42

buried it against the cancer. It's

1:00:45

like this big rock over

1:00:47

this big rock over here, University

1:00:50

Montana. You know, I think there's two

1:00:52

students that have been thoroughly beaten

1:00:55

by white tails on campus. Yeah.

1:00:57

This one guy was walking back from a

1:01:00

uh Grizzly basketball game

1:01:03

on this A sports team called the Grizzlies

1:01:06

could be the other thing that you can put together

1:01:08

in picture Grizzly Bears playing basketball. Yes.

1:01:12

Um. Then uh

1:01:14

yeah, she came around the corner and uh,

1:01:17

you know, dark corner of

1:01:20

building there on campus, and started

1:01:22

the white tail doe who had

1:01:25

turned into the corner and didn't have anywhere

1:01:27

to go, so she the dough turned around

1:01:30

and proceeded to pummel this gal into

1:01:32

a massive concussion. Yeah,

1:01:35

it's too bad. She's

1:01:39

still alive. Yes, as

1:01:41

far as I know, so

1:01:45

is the deer. What else you got you? I

1:01:47

got one from

1:01:50

this conversation. Let me ask you guys this, let me pull

1:01:52

you guys on the pole. You is

1:01:54

a poll that finds out how smart people are. So

1:01:58

you're looking at a little button buck, speaking

1:02:01

of box, and you're looking at a little

1:02:03

button buck, and

1:02:05

you see how he

1:02:08

has like the raised

1:02:10

hair where his

1:02:12

antlers will be. Do

1:02:16

bucks shed

1:02:19

that little teensy disc

1:02:23

or not? Oh, I'm

1:02:29

gonna say, yeah, everybody's gonna

1:02:31

be quiet now, I gotta. I'm not staining from

1:02:33

this because I know I know the answer.

1:02:36

I do not know the You know the answer, then you know

1:02:38

that it's slightly inconclusive. I'm

1:02:41

gonna say, like, maybe they don't do

1:02:45

I'm gonna say, like they spit off a little scab, or

1:02:47

just say maybe they don't because it becomes part of

1:02:49

the base of the pedicle later on it So you're saying

1:02:51

it throws off a little scaba,

1:02:53

you're going middle ground. I don't want no.

1:02:57

I'm saying that he's he's gonna shut a spineless

1:03:00

I want to he's

1:03:04

a soft man. He's a soft man with the deer phone.

1:03:06

I can tell you hard man with a mountain lions.

1:03:12

Yeah, I think I think they shed a little do

1:03:14

not shed? I

1:03:16

think you're probably right, But I'm not sure.

1:03:19

We're talking about this because some guy was asking

1:03:21

about it and Brody

1:03:24

was digging into it. Like the

1:03:26

pedicles which were begin growing at a couple of months of

1:03:28

age, and buck fons provide the

1:03:30

base from which the antler

1:03:32

will grow. So the little small

1:03:34

hair covered hair covered bumps are just a

1:03:36

developing They're

1:03:40

not antlers like the root. Infantile

1:03:43

antlers are actual hardened antlers

1:03:45

on a buck fawn have not. This

1:03:47

birth is tricky. They're saying this is a research

1:03:50

who was done in Virginia. They said in Virginia

1:03:53

they have not been documented, meaning no buck. They

1:03:55

don't know if any bucket Virginia that actually

1:03:58

grew a hardened antler, of

1:04:00

button buck that grew a hard and antler

1:04:03

and dropped it. But it says that

1:04:05

they have. They have been reported

1:04:08

in other states that

1:04:11

it would grow a little dency

1:04:14

dency

1:04:17

I was getting that little wetting.

1:04:25

Yeah, they grow their first set antlers and they are approximately

1:04:28

one year of age. So you're saying

1:04:30

that's the development of the pedicle, is

1:04:33

what you're seeing. But reported there,

1:04:35

that's where it gets tricky. All that that All

1:04:37

that means is some guys said, hey, man, I've

1:04:40

seen it, said

1:04:42

you said you knew the answer cow is that where you were like

1:04:46

all this hardcore? No, how yeah,

1:04:49

it is. It is my understanding that that is

1:04:51

the development of the pedicle um.

1:04:54

It does not shed um,

1:04:57

and U if

1:05:01

you know, some of those big bucks may

1:05:03

just have extra entry two

1:05:05

on everybody by having an over developed pedicle.

1:05:11

I'm not saying that you can't.

1:05:13

You don't measure the pedicle, man, No,

1:05:16

just by looks yeah, look, might look yeah

1:05:19

yeah, true, you're

1:05:22

good, Jani got uh what do you gotta

1:05:24

add there to that? Concluders

1:05:26

even no, not

1:05:29

even a general concluder. Oh, I

1:05:31

can come up with one. Is it time for that yet? It's

1:05:33

not you gotta go somewhere. No,

1:05:36

it's Friday. Man. Just feeling I'm

1:05:38

feeling like I like what

1:05:40

I was set out to get done has been gotten

1:05:42

done. Um,

1:05:45

I got a good one. Charlie wrote

1:05:47

in about and since we got Pete here, I think

1:05:50

you can help us answer because I actually was dealing

1:05:52

with this the other day and I was wishing I could

1:05:54

call Pete and asking what I should do.

1:05:57

But Charlie's I'm wondering how

1:05:59

we keep our gear and clothes

1:06:01

clean, especially from blood, and

1:06:05

how do we keep them old or free?

1:06:08

What tricks and tips do we have? Mostly

1:06:10

I was wondering about how to get the blood out of my stone.

1:06:13

Glacier pack packs are a big

1:06:15

one because you bleach them. It ruins

1:06:17

the stitching. Don't don't go bleaching

1:06:20

your backpack. I don't use bleach. Yanni

1:06:22

uses hydrogen broxid bad

1:06:24

or good. I think that sounds a little aggressive.

1:06:27

I need to aggress it. If you'd leave it on

1:06:29

from water, rinsing it off pretty quick immediately,

1:06:32

guy, spray brush, rinse, spray

1:06:35

brush, rince until it's gone. I'm

1:06:38

a soaker. I get my bathtub

1:06:40

full of hot water and I just submerge

1:06:42

everything for twenty four hours and then

1:06:44

I come back with the dish brush and buff it

1:06:47

off and then kind of repeat

1:06:49

that cycle a handful of times. As

1:06:51

far as keeping blood off your

1:06:53

gear, if you don't have blood on your gear, you're not doing

1:06:56

it right. And uh, if you don't smell

1:06:58

bad, you're also not trying hard enough. So it's

1:07:01

just the nature of of getting

1:07:03

after it. But cleaning

1:07:05

it up simple enough. I think you just I

1:07:08

soak it and scrub it over and over with

1:07:11

a light detergent. Yeah,

1:07:14

Mark Kanyon. In the white tail world,

1:07:16

we'll probably have a different answer for I think keeping

1:07:19

the stuff away free, but I could up in the

1:07:21

white set world, man, that's just a different in the West,

1:07:23

it's a different thing. Seth had is

1:07:25

a separate washing machine that you bought

1:07:28

somewhere so that

1:07:30

he only used a

1:07:32

white tail. Outfits in the Midwest that have

1:07:34

separate changing rooms, like separate

1:07:37

clean rooms where you go in and as

1:07:39

ionizers all, you know, mounted on

1:07:41

the wall and you have a locker with and you put

1:07:43

yourself in a zipper and it's got an

1:07:46

ionizer to kill the scent. And you're

1:07:48

not allowed to go in there after you've eaten. You're

1:07:50

not. I mean, you go in there with your hunting clothes and that's

1:07:52

it. No smoking cigarettes in

1:07:55

that room. Nothing, And that's that's

1:07:57

that's what they do, and that's not

1:08:00

I've seen probably more extreme examples than

1:08:02

that though. Um. The

1:08:04

Yeti Panga bags, the

1:08:06

there waterproof duffle is completely

1:08:09

sealed. So I used to use that as a you know, when you're

1:08:11

traveling no

1:08:13

way or in or out, that's completely you know,

1:08:17

non contammenta or uncontaminated

1:08:19

whatever the word is. UM situation

1:08:22

trying to do that when you can. Was the mug

1:08:24

asking that question? Was he um

1:08:28

was he coming like like was he talking about like older

1:08:31

free for hunting purposes or older

1:08:33

free for just home purposes, like he didn't

1:08:35

want the stuff all smelly. Wasn't

1:08:37

that much context in here, got

1:08:39

it? Sorry, Yeah,

1:08:42

you're that's I mean, that's a regional thing.

1:08:44

Like in the Midwest and in the East, hardcore

1:08:47

white tail hunters are for sure,

1:08:50

there's Western bow

1:08:52

hunters that that do, uh

1:08:55

go to the same extremes. They might try not do the same

1:08:57

things, they certainly go. I haven't invested

1:09:00

a scent in order

1:09:03

eliminating or

1:09:05

order masking things

1:09:09

specific to hunting in I

1:09:11

mean since easy

1:09:16

ten plus years. At this point, I still wash

1:09:18

all my clothes at the like the scent free detergent

1:09:20

all that. I gave up real hard on that. I grew

1:09:22

up in Ohio hunting deers and drank

1:09:25

that kool Aid and it was hardcore scent cover.

1:09:29

Yeah, I love the cool Aid. But

1:09:32

one time to Montana starting hunting milk, you

1:09:35

can't. You were going to sweat, You're

1:09:37

going to smell bad, and if you're not, you're

1:09:39

not probably not getting on elk. So I

1:09:42

quickly just completely

1:09:44

abandoned just play the wind. Oh

1:09:46

yeah, I think there's there's like room and we

1:09:49

you know, we used to try. We used to have a lot of things. We

1:09:51

even try, like having extra clothes. We would

1:09:53

like hike in one set of clothes and

1:09:55

keep an extra set of clothes and only use those clothes

1:09:57

for when you're in like total hunt mode. Go

1:10:00

down to the creek or a bottle of you know, we

1:10:02

had baking soda in a

1:10:04

spray bottle and getting creek water and putting

1:10:06

it in there and spraying everything, Like

1:10:09

none of that hurts. You're never be

1:10:11

like, well, I would have got the bull if I hadn't been

1:10:13

doing good sin control. Uh,

1:10:16

none of it hurts, But it's hard to maintain. You

1:10:20

want to get lazy, you want to it's just or

1:10:23

you do a lot. And on the backcountry

1:10:25

hunt, I'd say it's almost negligible.

1:10:27

I think where you can do it and make

1:10:29

it worthwhile because you

1:10:32

have just the luxury of a truck or

1:10:34

a trailer is on like a

1:10:36

spot. It's something like that where you're hunting your

1:10:38

every day. You're coming back to a camp where

1:10:40

if you wanted to, you could have a separate

1:10:43

change of clothes. The bulk

1:10:45

of the white tail hunters or day hunt man like they're

1:10:47

going from their house ye walking

1:10:49

out to the stalking out to the tree standards you know from

1:10:51

the lease or whatever. Then

1:10:53

it seems doable. But why not be paranoia?

1:10:56

Man? Why not? Un Plus, you're sitting your stationary

1:10:58

in a tree and everything, all your scent

1:11:00

and everything that, um, you're affecting

1:11:03

the environment around you, and you basically

1:11:05

sit there and watch your effect all day, like

1:11:07

every time a deer comes and looks. I mean, that's

1:11:09

your key in on those effects. Whereas

1:11:12

when you're spotting, talking is the less of that intimacy.

1:11:15

When I used to trap red fox, you had to be totally.

1:11:18

You had to be more paranoid than than a paranoid

1:11:20

bowl hunter? Can

1:11:22

you talk about like all the equipment? It

1:11:26

takes a lot. Last

1:11:28

time we did this, Q and A did I dropped the one

1:11:30

about shooting offhand and a

1:11:32

buddy was watching his Uh,

1:11:34

A guy was watching his buddy miss a bunch

1:11:36

of box and he's like, wondering

1:11:39

about shooting rests in the field. It's funny

1:11:41

you mentioned that because I have one that's the same

1:11:43

but probably different. You

1:11:46

don't mean to read this one off And I'll tell you

1:11:48

this than you do yours. And it was different

1:11:50

or not? Him and his buddy have ongoing

1:11:53

quote discussion. So I got it. That means an argument

1:11:55

about siting and her rifles. His

1:11:58

buddy thinks his

1:12:00

body likes sighted his rifle shooting free

1:12:02

hand because

1:12:06

that's how he's hunting anyway, That's

1:12:08

all I need to know. OK, So I'm going

1:12:11

that's like saying I like to fully

1:12:13

drunk. He's like, he sighted

1:12:15

your rifle in a real life shooting situation,

1:12:20

and the guy that wrote it and says that

1:12:22

this has to be bullshit, Go

1:12:24

ahead with yours. I agree

1:12:27

with the guy right now, But what was your guy? Um?

1:12:31

Dan rode in. So then a couple

1:12:33

of weeks ago he had a buddy that missed big mule with your

1:12:35

buck because he took an off hand shot at a hundred

1:12:37

and seventy yards off

1:12:39

hand, off hand, find a tree, bro and

1:12:42

later they got back on the buck, and rather

1:12:44

than taking the time to find a good rest, he tried

1:12:47

another off hand shot and missed again.

1:12:50

He tried to convince him to take the time to find a good

1:12:52

rest before he shot, but he felt like

1:12:54

the buck was going to get away. What are

1:12:56

your thoughts on rifle, bipod shooting

1:12:58

sticks and shooting off packs, the best

1:13:00

shooting rest in the field, very different

1:13:02

questions. I think you need to examine

1:13:04

on how much getting away of the white tail buck did

1:13:06

in that scenario, Which did it

1:13:09

get away more in which

1:13:12

scenarios

1:13:15

at the very least in that situation. If you feel

1:13:17

like this bucks about the crest of hill, or he's gonna

1:13:19

do somewhere, he's gonna get away and find a tree and

1:13:22

and lean against a tree or

1:13:24

do something to to get more stable,

1:13:26

don't just wheel swing your gun

1:13:28

and blast one off like that's a

1:13:31

little bit irresponsible. I never even

1:13:33

paid attention to yardages. But man,

1:13:35

I have not taken

1:13:39

Oh, I have not taken

1:13:41

a whole lot of cracks freehand,

1:13:44

except for things that are just real

1:13:47

clothes. Go to the range

1:13:50

and just lay down, taking the rest hunting cottentails

1:13:52

in my twenty two go

1:13:55

to the range and lay down prone and shoot a shot, then

1:13:57

then kneel and shoot a shot, and then stand

1:14:00

up freehand and shoot shot and see what we're

1:14:02

all. Three of those land guarantee you know you're gonna

1:14:04

get further away from your target each town. Or

1:14:07

I don't guarantee you, but I would guess your

1:14:10

damn question. Oh yeah,

1:14:13

man, hunter, senty five yards off hand

1:14:15

is freaking super long, compelling,

1:14:17

Like I don't even I think if most let's

1:14:20

just say the people in this room off

1:14:22

hand, a hundred sent yards with a with your

1:14:24

big game hunting rifle. If you threw an elk

1:14:26

out there and elk giant

1:14:28

ass animal, I'd say

1:14:30

that for us. I bet you we would

1:14:33

just tee laying a bullet anywhere

1:14:35

on that target you'd be at. You

1:14:38

probably hit it three times out of tin.

1:14:41

That's my guess. How far away was

1:14:43

that at our Christmas party? How far away was that?

1:14:47

That was a hundred yards? That was a hundred

1:14:49

yards? That was And I think

1:14:51

what was that? Yeah? How

1:14:53

many people hit? Four? Five? I hit?

1:14:56

Dude, I just close my eyes and

1:14:59

I was like, I'll is feelings. Yeah,

1:15:02

okay, so four of us hit that one.

1:15:05

Yeah, there's a little go for squirrel

1:15:07

steel silhouette at any other

1:15:11

than us, there wasn't very many more. I don't know what that

1:15:13

means. And that was out of thirty people people?

1:15:16

That was it that bad? That's

1:15:19

a very hard Also,

1:15:22

Also it was in the dark

1:15:24

for most people, like there were it was an orange painted

1:15:27

target, but it was dark and you were standing in a little

1:15:29

like porch area, so that makes

1:15:31

a little bit tougher. I'd say, yeah, I was really antiochy

1:15:34

stuff. Yeah. I was like,

1:15:36

I don't want to I hate to admit this now, but I was surprised.

1:15:39

Yeah. I got Mitch Hedberg's saying like

1:15:41

he has a lot of acting experience. He says because

1:15:43

when he was playing pool and he makes a shot, he

1:15:45

always has to act like he's not surprised. So,

1:15:50

um, I agree with was

1:15:53

like, I got I was not feeling cocked. I

1:15:55

was there early enough that I gotta shoot it when it's still light out.

1:15:57

So I felt like maybe had a distinct advantage

1:15:59

of probably helped, you know. When I squeeze the trigger,

1:16:01

I was like, well, this isn't gonna work out, but

1:16:06

yeah, um

1:16:09

but yeah good. For as far as recommendations

1:16:11

for good shooting rests, um, I

1:16:14

always trying to get low as

1:16:16

low as possible. Um. And

1:16:18

if you don't have the time to get lower, if you don't

1:16:20

have the you know, clear landscape

1:16:23

underneath you to get low because there's brush or

1:16:26

grass whatever, then uh, you

1:16:28

know the next best thing would be on your butt.

1:16:30

Using some shooting sticks or shooting sticks

1:16:33

standing or yeah, the tree,

1:16:35

like Ben said, I mean that's a everybody

1:16:37

should know how to do that. You could easily make

1:16:39

a two plus yard shot by leading

1:16:41

your rifle into a tree. Um,

1:16:44

if you get lucky, there's a cross branch

1:16:46

and get you get a little crotch and then uh,

1:16:48

I mean it's damn near like having

1:16:50

a you know, tripod

1:16:53

rest our body Tony

1:16:55

Paul's kill. Uh.

1:16:57

He teaches he's a sniper and struck

1:17:00

in the Marine Corps and

1:17:02

when doing like makeshift using

1:17:04

makeshift rests like a rail

1:17:07

tree stuff like that, he talks about you

1:17:10

need to have either the push or the pole.

1:17:14

Ah makes sense. Yeah, when

1:17:16

you're sitting there with him shooting, it makes sense. But there's

1:17:18

always a little bit of like there's like

1:17:21

like even when you're going on a tree, you

1:17:24

kind of like wedge it where you can get a little you

1:17:26

can lean into it a little bit. You know what,

1:17:29

do you explain that a little bit more? Because that's

1:17:31

that's when he meant by the pool was he was

1:17:33

having and this was when he was You can watch

1:17:36

on the episode with Helen and Brittany

1:17:38

in Wisconsin Doug's

1:17:40

place, but when he was saying the pool, he was actually having

1:17:43

having them hold onto the sling coming

1:17:46

off of the fore end and then pulling

1:17:48

that in towards their body, creating

1:17:50

a little bit of tension exactly. That

1:17:53

tension, you know, creates you to lock

1:17:56

up together. Same

1:17:58

thing like if you shoot off your butt, you

1:18:01

put your elbows on the outsides of your knees

1:18:03

and then kind of suck your

1:18:05

arms in against those knees, and that creates

1:18:07

that attention to or

1:18:10

digging a toe in when you're laying prone

1:18:12

and giving a little little push off the toe.

1:18:15

Three points of contact. You guys,

1:18:16

shooting off your

1:18:18

knee works pretty damn good. You

1:18:21

know, we've done a lot of and this is some people

1:18:23

think this is a question but I don't think it's questionable. I've

1:18:26

shot a

1:18:29

number of big game things

1:18:32

and otherwise over my buddy's

1:18:35

shoulder. Oh yeah,

1:18:37

yeah, we do it. I'm

1:18:39

not recommending people do it, but I'm just telling you that

1:18:41

something we've done successfully. I've never

1:18:44

seen that before. Man. You

1:18:46

just like, we we'll set up where you

1:18:49

just they just bend over obviously

1:18:51

put their hand on their ears, and

1:18:54

you're like almost laying on them

1:18:57

and then tap them

1:19:00

and that means hold your breath and

1:19:03

it's roight.

1:19:06

I can't say I didn't run into an Africa one time like

1:19:08

the trackers over there. Don't do that for

1:19:10

dude, Yeah right right

1:19:12

from the um,

1:19:15

but you can that brings anohing.

1:19:17

I am not a fan of like standing

1:19:19

shooting sticks, particularly thinking about the ones

1:19:21

they roll out in Africa like this. No, I've

1:19:24

never used them there man there it almost seems

1:19:26

like it's more unstable than shooting for you, and at some level

1:19:30

it's weird, but I've never had luck with it. There's

1:19:35

kind of an easy cooking one laid

1:19:37

at me. Um,

1:19:41

speaking of uneasy shooting, I

1:19:44

don't know. Um alright.

1:19:46

This is from the little Evan who's

1:19:49

sing belt I'm

1:19:51

sink felt from

1:19:53

Sportsman's Lion. Oh yes, oh

1:19:56

um Evan. This

1:19:58

is rough a month late in

1:20:01

response, but we got so.

1:20:04

I'm smoking a whole venison backstrap

1:20:06

tonight. I typically smoke it to a rare

1:20:09

temp and then sear it in a cast iron

1:20:11

with butter, which brings the finished temp

1:20:13

to medium rare. Have you

1:20:15

ever combined this with the suvie

1:20:18

meaning what he wants to do is he wants to

1:20:20

smoke it to get the smoke flavor, and

1:20:23

then throw it in a bag and

1:20:29

um drop

1:20:31

it in the suvie to maintain the tamp until

1:20:33

he's ready to sear it. He's

1:20:35

wondering if if that would

1:20:38

work and and be appropriate. I

1:20:40

would think this would be like if

1:20:42

you're in that Christmas situation and

1:20:44

you're cooking for a bunch of folks and you got a bunch of things

1:20:46

going on and you don't want to worry about

1:20:50

overcooking something or serving something

1:20:52

cold. And that is a huge

1:20:54

reason that suvie it's so popular in the restaurant

1:20:57

industry. What

1:20:59

he's saying like, smoke it, suvit

1:21:02

it. And then if

1:21:04

the question is have I done it now

1:21:08

and I can't picture smoking

1:21:10

it and then

1:21:12

having it be that just

1:21:14

can't picture it. I think he just wants to maintain

1:21:16

that tamp so it's not cold,

1:21:19

right, So he's not gonna overcook it on the smoker.

1:21:22

He's gonna bring it off, and

1:21:24

then he wants to maintain it at it at

1:21:26

that below medium

1:21:29

rare camp and

1:21:31

then when everything else is ready, he's gonna

1:21:33

pop that thing out of the bag. When you in your

1:21:35

scenario, could Uh, what

1:21:37

I've done in the past is because I don't like to

1:21:40

not let stuff rest. Sometimes it's always

1:21:42

in a tinfoil or a luminou

1:21:44

foil, but sometimes in a yeti

1:21:46

hopper, so you can smoke it,

1:21:48

or you smoke it, get it to you know, ten

1:21:51

degrees or ten to fifteen degrees below

1:21:53

where you want it. If you say you've got an hour or two,

1:21:55

wrap it tinfoil, put it in your yett he zip it

1:21:58

up tight, right because you know over that time

1:22:00

that heat's gonna stay in there, it's gonna continue

1:22:02

to cook it. And then when you get it to where

1:22:05

you're going see it, then yeah,

1:22:08

that's what I've done in the past. So just say just tell

1:22:10

your your bros you're coming over Christmas, like, hey, look

1:22:13

I want to I just need a cast starn skillet ready

1:22:15

to see it when I get there. That way, it's

1:22:17

crispy still, and you don't because a lot of times when you let it

1:22:19

rest after you've seared it, it kind of takes

1:22:21

away that crispy, crusty consistency

1:22:25

that you get when you see it and then just serve it all those

1:22:27

good carcinogens we like. So some

1:22:29

people do see her and then drop it

1:22:31

in the suit. You could do

1:22:33

that too, but you definitely have all that moisture in

1:22:35

the bag. And I think that was the way to go.

1:22:37

But now I think it's like the reverses. Like when

1:22:39

I first started messing with it, I thought that was cool,

1:22:42

but now it's like definitely better because

1:22:44

you just stew it. Yeah, you get you

1:22:46

lose your out, you know, you know, you lose your outside

1:22:49

cool Chris Well, that that's searing,

1:22:51

that initial shock to you know what

1:22:53

I'm saying, Yeah, oh no, yeah, like schemes,

1:22:55

but that initial shock, that searing

1:22:58

it on all sides, that starts the

1:23:00

process of that meat going

1:23:02

to another stage and breaking down the proteins

1:23:05

you don't here

1:23:07

and then put it somewhere that's gonna steam it. And then

1:23:09

it gets soft again and you've got kind of a weird consistence.

1:23:12

That's what a lot of the recipes are though, really, and

1:23:14

then then you come back out and crisp R up again.

1:23:17

It depends what you finished product is too. If you're like

1:23:19

going to pick something that doesn't matter. Guy

1:23:22

asked, can you freeze? Do your heart deliver? Heart

1:23:24

freeze is as good as anything on the planet. I

1:23:28

trim them, core him out, trim

1:23:31

ahead of time, I do. I

1:23:34

core him out, trim the fat off the

1:23:36

upper you know, the fat part, trim

1:23:39

the tallow off that, and

1:23:41

freeze him. Is that a space time?

1:23:43

What's the reason why do I trim it first?

1:23:46

I don't know. Man, When I put my stuff

1:23:50

freezer, I like it's I feel

1:23:52

like I like to typically

1:23:55

I've done all versions,

1:23:57

but in my mind, what I'm typically trying

1:23:59

to do is freeze ingredient

1:24:02

recipe ready. Yeah, in

1:24:04

a perfect world, you're freezing recipe ready

1:24:06

stuff. So I'll take my heart court, wash

1:24:10

it out court, trim the tallel off the top lip,

1:24:13

then freeze it. It freezes for a million years.

1:24:17

Yeah. A few day

1:24:20

I was telling my kid, what was he telling me? He's

1:24:23

telling me something. I said, Man, I bet you million bucks.

1:24:26

He's like, oh, you got a million dollars. It's just

1:24:30

it's just the thing we say,

1:24:34

are you serious right now? Yeah? You don't want to take

1:24:36

the back a million

1:24:38

years. A few years liver

1:24:41

man, I used to say, like, I used to freeze,

1:24:44

and liver is not a good idea. I've

1:24:47

never had any luck, no I know, but I used

1:24:49

to like do it anyway, and he thought,

1:24:52

and like all the water comes out and winds

1:24:54

up being like rubbery and it just

1:24:57

doesn't work. You just gotta eat it. Ron Layton

1:24:59

freezes. Yeah. Run

1:25:01

later. You freeze livers and given to me and I take

1:25:03

the livers hole. But it's

1:25:06

just I got you over.

1:25:08

Oh man, that's wonderful. Run antelope

1:25:11

liver in the freezer right now. Specifically

1:25:13

for sausage though, So I got

1:25:16

a sauceage dress bee where I'll I'll

1:25:19

feed that liver into the grinder and mix everything

1:25:21

up. Is I think it's a bad idea. What

1:25:24

kind of sausage dress fees that

1:25:26

liver works? No,

1:25:29

But my buddy Jim makes liver worset

1:25:31

that kicks ass. That's

1:25:33

like the best breakfast meat

1:25:35

on the planet. Not wild game liver. Yeah

1:25:37

really yeah. The thing about liver

1:25:40

Worst is, though, is that it's not that

1:25:42

when you look at everything in liver

1:25:44

Worst, it's like tem percent liver exactly.

1:25:48

You're because you're eating a lot of milk and a lot

1:25:50

of fat. It's it's flavoring.

1:25:55

Dude. That was my old man sandwich dude.

1:25:59

Riber liver Worst, sliced

1:26:03

onion and mustard's gonna. Yeah,

1:26:05

sometimes feel like going down and buy Like I don't like to buy

1:26:08

meat stores. Man, I sometimes feel

1:26:10

like going down to buying me big old liver worst. I'm

1:26:12

making. We're traveling sometime, we should get

1:26:14

a big thing of liver worst, Dude, we should. You

1:26:16

should come to the Latvian hunting camp in

1:26:18

Wisconsin. Um, the guys from

1:26:22

Milwaukee show up. I

1:26:24

don't know, probably twenty pounds

1:26:27

of you singers liver

1:26:29

worst and all sorts of other fine sausages

1:26:31

and pork products from there. Man. And that's all

1:26:34

we eat, as far as like sandwich is going into

1:26:36

the field. It's just right

1:26:38

Latvian rye bread, which is kind of not

1:26:41

regular. Oh,

1:26:44

I think it's twice as good better. No,

1:26:46

it's not. I'm

1:26:49

telling you. It's not what you consider

1:26:52

right. It's more of a like a sour dough.

1:26:54

Dude. You can knock someone out with that bread. The

1:26:57

stuff that I bring around, it's a dense

1:26:59

bread. Yes, it's like a kind

1:27:01

of bread if you threw it to a duck. Duck better be a

1:27:03

diver. That

1:27:06

bread is gonna sink on lake man.

1:27:08

No, for sure, it's a dense bread. But I

1:27:10

could see man a liverworst. God, I'm dying.

1:27:13

I'm making liverworst with that liver.

1:27:15

You guys are gonna want some, sorry,

1:27:18

but the

1:27:21

lowest grade liver worst. It was like Oscar.

1:27:24

They had like a yellow wrapper on it. It came

1:27:26

in like a log with a yellow rapper. And

1:27:28

my old man too, He would buy bread and not let

1:27:30

other people eat his bread. So if you went

1:27:32

into the kitchen, it was like the old man's bread

1:27:35

and then the family's bread. You couldn't

1:27:37

have his bread unless you asked him about it. Did he grow

1:27:39

poor? Oh? Yeah?

1:27:43

I recommend if you're listening, you're gonna go try something.

1:27:45

Don't go into this regular grocery and buy

1:27:48

the Oscar may or brown Schweigger

1:27:50

or liver worst. You're not getting

1:27:52

the same like going to a deli. Go

1:27:55

to a Jewish deli and get the good ship

1:27:57

because it's well worth it. Yeah,

1:28:00

I hear you. I

1:28:02

saw a new friend of mine who is uh.

1:28:05

They're Jewish and they've always grown up going.

1:28:07

Have I talked about this before? Tongue? I told

1:28:10

the story before. Never one

1:28:12

last one? You guys, good for one more

1:28:14

one? Here's

1:28:17

another one. There's a guy that wrote

1:28:19

in he's all confused about the difference between

1:28:21

party hunting, party hunting,

1:28:24

and party applications. Yeah,

1:28:27

there's kind of like two questions from two different people.

1:28:29

But one of the guys demonstrated some level of

1:28:31

like he's like, he's looking at a

1:28:34

out of state hunting app and it's

1:28:36

a party application, and he's like, dude,

1:28:39

party hunting, that's no good. That's

1:28:41

a great point. I have never thought

1:28:43

two very different things, the semantics

1:28:46

things. But he's right, like, why why

1:28:48

not change the term, you know in the application

1:28:50

sense party application? I filled out,

1:28:54

why him? Why can't I shoot

1:28:56

your miss? We all got

1:28:59

start? Who want us to start with party

1:29:03

hunting, which

1:29:05

is where we're sharing tags? And party hunting

1:29:07

is where there's five people at this table. Two

1:29:11

of us have a tag, all

1:29:13

five of us go hunting. Everybody's up to bed, everybody's

1:29:15

not bad. Is that is that it's legal

1:29:17

in some place. I don't know if that's necessarily

1:29:19

legal that I've never done it that way. Where I've done

1:29:21

it legally, all of us would have had tags,

1:29:24

we'd all be out in the field hunting. Possibly

1:29:27

five deer come by, I shoot all

1:29:29

five, and you guys come over and tag

1:29:31

them yes and no.

1:29:34

That might be the case some places, but there are places

1:29:36

where you think, like, that's what I'm saying, main

1:29:38

moose tan. You can designate

1:29:40

it's a party tag's part. You can designate,

1:29:43

yeah, draw the tag, but you can

1:29:45

designate other guys to hunt the same tag and you can

1:29:47

all be out. I think you're supposed to be in like you're

1:29:49

supposed to be in some definition of communication.

1:29:52

But you draw it. You go like,

1:29:55

I'm party hunt with you. You you're both hunt.

1:29:57

But again, there's some sort of formal agreement or

1:29:59

there's some sort of tag tag that's saying that

1:30:01

this is the deal. It's not just like, oh,

1:30:03

I'm out here without a hunting license or a tag

1:30:05

at all. Happened? You know, the

1:30:07

illegal party hunting and then there's the

1:30:10

party hunting illegal senses of what I was trying to describe.

1:30:14

And well, we grew up doing a lot

1:30:16

of illegal party hunting. Okay,

1:30:19

but here's the deal party hunting that what I just

1:30:21

described is legal in Wisconsin as

1:30:24

not not legal here, and we

1:30:26

did it illegally in mission before

1:30:29

I even knew that was illegal. But it would be that your

1:30:32

group of guys I'll

1:30:34

have buck tags. Someone

1:30:36

gets a dough tag. It was in when

1:30:39

I was growing up, it was like it

1:30:41

was viewed as though, if you see

1:30:43

a dough Bob's

1:30:45

got a tag, which is not illegal, that's

1:30:49

right, but you'd go yell for Bob and

1:30:51

Bob would run over and that was

1:30:53

an illegal thing. Didn't even know it was

1:30:55

illegal. Now in Wisconsin

1:30:58

explained again what you're saying is there And

1:31:01

this is the last time I looked into it, and I believe they

1:31:04

define it as like within

1:31:06

communication where you can yell at the

1:31:09

other hunter that might be tagging the deer.

1:31:11

But if you're all licensed and

1:31:14

a group of deer comes by, you can

1:31:16

shoot more as long

1:31:18

as someone in that group and that's within shouting

1:31:21

distance of you can come over and tag that. You

1:31:23

can't have a dude with you who has no tag.

1:31:26

You could have with you, but he can't be carrying

1:31:29

a rifle you got you got you? Yeah,

1:31:32

he can't be actively hunting. He needs to be a licensed

1:31:34

hunter. Now this brings

1:31:36

up a thing we haven't got into party applications yet,

1:31:38

but another thing I'm party hunting. Another question. The

1:31:40

guy that I've been meaning to get to and never got to it

1:31:43

him his buddy or hunting black bears. His

1:31:47

body's got a black bart tag. He doesn't so

1:31:49

Mug one, Um, Mug

1:31:51

one has a black bertag. Mug

1:31:53

two does not have a black bertag. Mugg

1:31:56

one but they're hunting deer, okay, Mug

1:31:58

one clouch gets a shot at

1:32:00

bicker. Mug

1:32:03

two runs up, the black bear

1:32:06

is running off his body. Gotta

1:32:08

hit. Mug one, gotta hit. But it wasn't a mortal

1:32:10

wound. Mug two kills

1:32:14

it. That's against

1:32:17

the law. It's a strange

1:32:19

one, and it's one where you get put into like civil

1:32:24

law versus moral law. And

1:32:26

I've been in that situation in the past

1:32:29

and where you're like, well, however

1:32:32

things played out, you're gonna have like a you're gonna have an unre

1:32:34

wounded yet unrecovered animal um.

1:32:38

And I've been in that situation, and it does It puts

1:32:40

you in a It puts you in a little bit of a bind.

1:32:42

I think that the game Morden is probably gonna look at and

1:32:44

be like, sorry, man, you

1:32:46

killed it. Yeah, And unfortunately,

1:32:49

there's just there's too much

1:32:51

room for interpretation and too

1:32:54

much room for taking it. You know,

1:32:56

and cheating that rule if it's not you know,

1:32:59

done that way, because because guys

1:33:01

would just walk around killing animals for planets

1:33:03

all the time because they're fighting. What we're talking that that rules

1:33:05

fighting. What we're talking about, the two guys walking around,

1:33:07

one guy shoot you like, come ever, you're real quick. Yeah, So

1:33:09

the gray areas what you want to try to eliminate. Yeah,

1:33:12

like the scenario like he has and I take

1:33:14

at face value what he's saying. It's just that, um,

1:33:17

it was like it was look like it was gonna get away,

1:33:19

and he didn't want it to get away, but he went And

1:33:21

so yeah, I mean, you definitely broke a law because

1:33:23

I know what state has occurred to you broke a law. Maybe

1:33:26

just throwing out a hypothetical. I don't know, um

1:33:29

party applications. Who wants to take that one?

1:33:33

I can talk about it a little bit about

1:33:35

you want to go hunting, maybe with your

1:33:38

family or your friends, and you're like, I'd rather

1:33:40

draw this tag with you

1:33:42

or not at all. That's a good way to

1:33:44

put it. So I've

1:33:46

got I like taking some of my family

1:33:49

members hunting who maybe are not going to

1:33:51

go hunting on their own. So

1:33:53

we apply as a party, and it's like, hey,

1:33:55

like we're all we're all gonna get it, or none of us are going to get

1:33:58

It's not like you're gonna just talk

1:34:00

with this tag and nobody's gonna be able to go

1:34:02

go on this hunt with you. So I

1:34:04

think it's a way to ensure that your

1:34:07

core group of fellow sportsman

1:34:10

or family that you're hunting with will all

1:34:12

all get the permit and you can do it as a group. This

1:34:15

guy was asking was it a good idea or not? And

1:34:17

that's like, that's not really answerable

1:34:20

because it just depends on how bad you

1:34:23

want to go. I think it was not a way to do

1:34:25

it. Be like, if your eyeballing, like some hunt you want

1:34:27

to do, and

1:34:31

and you'd make a deal, You're like, you

1:34:34

could do a party app and then you both

1:34:36

get the goal on equal footing and goalth got tag,

1:34:38

but there's less of a chance that someone's

1:34:41

gonna have a tag. Or you make a deal and be like, let's both

1:34:43

put in single, but let's sign

1:34:45

a treaty right now, sign an agreement that

1:34:48

if one of us draws, we

1:34:50

both go on the trip. But if you don't hang out

1:34:52

with that kind of person. Then it makes

1:34:54

sense that that did you

1:34:56

all put in as a group, and then you all either

1:34:59

go and everyone's gone whole fully loaded,

1:35:01

or everyone stays at home. It's party

1:35:03

applications somehow there's

1:35:05

a question does the

1:35:07

well doesn't would it prevent in some way party hunting?

1:35:10

Like I'm just thinking through this a little bit.

1:35:12

If everybody has a tag, then you don't have to share

1:35:15

it that comtely unrelated, man, I

1:35:17

know, I know, but there's a there's

1:35:19

a there could be a corresponding

1:35:21

thing there. If everybody has a tag, you don't have to worry about That's

1:35:23

right. You're trying to tie in party

1:35:26

hunting, party apple. I was trying to be slick and I was very

1:35:28

That's why I was asking as a question because I was pretty sure.

1:35:30

There's also strategic play where if

1:35:32

I have ten ELK points and

1:35:34

you have zero, and we apply as

1:35:36

a party, I kind of pull I pull you up a little

1:35:38

bit so I increase your odds.

1:35:41

Depends on the state, and

1:35:43

you can apply as a non resident.

1:35:45

You could apply with a resident on

1:35:48

a party application. Um

1:35:51

good, But Lisa stated, I've done that in in

1:35:53

Colorado. If you do that you're both

1:35:56

in the nonresident the nonresident, So

1:35:58

the residents getting dinged time,

1:36:01

it can be it can handicap you. But I've heard

1:36:03

of a very go ahead. Oh. I just I

1:36:05

think that there are so many people. Um,

1:36:07

if we're being honest with ourselves, there's

1:36:10

a lot of people that ultimately

1:36:13

enjoy the planning and

1:36:16

the Google Earth thing

1:36:18

and lead up two

1:36:22

the hunt, maybe

1:36:24

even more than the hunting the adventure

1:36:27

themselves. Where Um, these

1:36:29

party applications are a big deal because they feel

1:36:31

like they're they're in the game. They got something to

1:36:33

go with some you know, something to plan

1:36:35

towards or daydream about at work

1:36:37

or whatever. So um, I

1:36:40

think that's that's a big benefit to these party applications.

1:36:42

Have you ever party party applied?

1:36:45

Yes? I have party applications out right now.

1:36:47

I have one out. I

1:36:50

didn't get invited about

1:36:53

that. Well, it's being my bro because he's an

1:36:55

Alaska resident. So we partied

1:36:57

up on a couple of things. Nice that sheep,

1:37:01

I imagine partied up on some

1:37:03

stuff. Sweet. Um

1:37:06

what else about that party hunt? That kind of

1:37:08

covers the party apps, parties, party

1:37:11

party and it's a good way. I mean, it's just

1:37:14

a It's a good way for folks to plan, particularly

1:37:16

if you're planning, um for an

1:37:18

out of state hunt, then you kind of know, like,

1:37:21

yep, this is where we want to go, and you can budget

1:37:24

both time and montarily

1:37:27

for how you're going to approach that hunt.

1:37:31

Yeah, I like that

1:37:33

system. Here's here's one last question

1:37:35

ready our rabbits

1:37:38

safety eat. Yes,

1:37:41

yes, thanks for joining

1:37:43

us. I

1:37:46

have a concluder. Oh let me you

1:37:49

came up at one. Speaking

1:37:51

of parties, Oh, I like a good

1:37:53

time. There are some

1:37:56

shows coming out under

1:37:58

the hood shows and some live podcasts

1:38:00

that have tickets still available. They

1:38:03

are a Under the Hood in Salt

1:38:05

Lake City on February eight, and

1:38:08

Under the Hood in Cleveland, Ohio

1:38:10

on February and

1:38:12

Under the Hood in Houston, Tajas

1:38:16

February, and

1:38:18

then live podcasts in Dallas

1:38:20

on the February and

1:38:23

in Seattle on the fourteenth of March. So

1:38:26

half of our shoulds are sold out. Those are the five

1:38:29

that still have a bunch of tickets. About Reno. Um,

1:38:33

that's right, Reno,

1:38:35

just because I'm gonna be there. Yeah, And

1:38:38

and the date on that one standing

1:38:42

try you're going to Sheetday.

1:38:45

I believe you guys are doing your live podcast on

1:38:48

Friday, February eighty

1:38:51

Seventh's

1:38:53

day. I've got a calendar. I've got a

1:38:55

calendar right here. It's it's in the afternoon.

1:39:00

Just one. It's a tough one for something we just added

1:39:02

the great Remy warrant. Remy

1:39:04

will be there. It's a tough one because it's a um early

1:39:07

afternoon show. Um,

1:39:10

that's all right, you can start drinking early

1:39:12

that day. Yeah, man, quit word, yeah,

1:39:15

don't quit, just take a break. Yeah,

1:39:16

that's

1:39:20

funny. It is

1:39:22

on the seventh on Thursday. Good

1:39:24

job, ye jan what do they call

1:39:26

you down to Mexico? I can't remember,

1:39:28

man. Yeah. Most

1:39:31

of the time they make a funny.

1:39:34

It's like a jew down

1:39:37

for the j I'll

1:39:40

be like, no, it's just like Yamo, Like when

1:39:42

you say your name double

1:39:46

L and they're like, yeah, Jonnas, don't

1:39:51

tell me how to say your name. Boy,

1:39:54

you're in my phone with a Y. Yanni

1:39:57

does that on his emails, so he writes right

1:40:01

fanetical spelling, writes

1:40:03

Janis and then he puts in parentheses

1:40:06

and on his Instagram it's like that too. I

1:40:08

feel like it is. Yeah, it's Jannis.

1:40:10

No that's my dad. No, I don't think.

1:40:13

Maybe it is, but I feel like you're I

1:40:15

feel like the name is Janice and the

1:40:17

handle is Janis Johnny's

1:40:20

senior Janis

1:40:23

Ni dude, I'm always

1:40:25

just Steve Man. My dad

1:40:28

calls you Steve for Nelly, and he calls you Janice

1:40:30

Pellis. He's

1:40:32

a proper redneck. I don't see any wise, but

1:40:34

I guess my has always your dad. Cal

1:40:38

got any concluders, Oh that was your concluier. That was a good one.

1:40:41

Live show dates coming up, man, get your

1:40:43

tickets. Go to the

1:40:47

me eater dot com

1:40:50

um and the tab is the events

1:40:52

and events events and

1:40:54

check it out. UM also got some speaking

1:40:57

events coming up and those are there as well. The places wrong be

1:40:59

giving a give keynotes and whatnot, so

1:41:01

you can see those there. And Pheasant

1:41:04

Peasant Fast and Shauanburg, Illinois, which

1:41:06

someone told me he's kind of like Chicago. It's

1:41:10

a bit different than Chicago, but close very

1:41:12

similar. There's a yeah, there's a big radius of suburbs.

1:41:15

There got

1:41:17

one coming up in Lander, Wyoming at

1:41:19

the UM Newly fanatics

1:41:22

got, uh, you're

1:41:24

going to Harrisburg. Nope, Nope,

1:41:26

I got one coming up in Yeah,

1:41:34

concluder gall that's where we were. Oh

1:41:38

yeah, boy, get

1:41:41

a solid ress, go

1:41:43

by a bypod. I mean,

1:41:45

if you're not touching that triggered

1:41:48

knowing that you were

1:41:50

going to kill something, then you should

1:41:52

not be touching that trigger. Speaking

1:41:57

of bipods and uh citing in because

1:41:59

it fella city siting in off hand, I say

1:42:01

too, if you're gonna use a bipod, definitely

1:42:03

site in using that bipod because

1:42:05

I know that my rifles have a much different point

1:42:08

of impact if I'm shooting off of a

1:42:10

sandbag on a bench

1:42:12

and that bipod off of a bench. And even

1:42:14

though a lot of guys will say don't shoot the bipod

1:42:17

off a concrete bench because that concrete

1:42:19

bench is so stiff compared

1:42:21

if you just said it on the ground that there's

1:42:24

there's a difference point of impact. So

1:42:27

yeah, I mean I was real world

1:42:30

situations site in the rifle, like

1:42:32

locked into a lead sled. And

1:42:35

maybe maybe this is wrong, but I have always

1:42:38

treated my guns is sighted in locked

1:42:41

into a lead sled, take every variable out

1:42:43

of it, the gun is zero, and

1:42:46

then any imperfection after that from

1:42:48

shooting off of a bipod or shooting freehand

1:42:50

is your fault. Not not

1:42:52

so much the guns. Oh, I think it needs to be adjusted

1:42:55

to how you hold that rifle though too. There's

1:42:57

gonna be like, I totally agree like you,

1:42:59

you sound the mechanics

1:43:01

of everything. The gun is bedded properly,

1:43:04

the scopes mounted properly. Um.

1:43:08

You could even shoot

1:43:10

your groups off there and figure out your

1:43:12

your loads um

1:43:15

bullets bullet and grain grain to

1:43:17

grain um. And if you want

1:43:19

to go through that and

1:43:21

proof all of that and

1:43:23

then adding the variable of

1:43:25

the human component, um,

1:43:28

then you will would still more than likely need

1:43:30

to make some adjustments to you know,

1:43:32

your particular cheek weld. H.

1:43:35

Yeah. I always like to just determine that the scope

1:43:37

is listening to me when I make adjustments, and like

1:43:39

when it's one of Lea's let you know, when

1:43:42

you're they're human air involved, when you're

1:43:44

you know, sighting a gun in so you're not always sure,

1:43:46

but I always like to make sure if I move it two inches

1:43:48

down to two inches right, that it does exactly

1:43:50

that. I feel like that's a good

1:43:52

thing to know a new rifle. I

1:43:55

mean, I'll tell you I don't do this. I throw

1:43:58

her, throw her down on top of my act

1:44:00

pack a lot of times, down on some chunk

1:44:03

of state wond or something, and make sure she's

1:44:05

still still hitting

1:44:10

taped up. Talk

1:44:13

about uh, cycling through

1:44:15

the tracking on your scope? Oh

1:44:17

really zero to

1:44:21

check, you know, to check your scope like zero

1:44:24

and then dial up m

1:44:25

A, then dial back

1:44:27

twenty m and make sure

1:44:30

it lands back where it's supposed to it for a walk.

1:44:33

That's particularly if you're using the scope where you're

1:44:35

manually dialing before your shots. And

1:44:38

what happens if if you don't feel like it's coming

1:44:40

back to where it's you got a problem? Yeah,

1:44:46

you like you got a two yards zero and you dial

1:44:48

up for let's say you're messing around and you're

1:44:50

trying to press your bodies out. You shoot rock

1:44:52

six hundred yards away and you dial up

1:44:55

six or seven and then you dial

1:44:57

back. You should do that at

1:45:00

the range and when you dial back, like, is that

1:45:02

where you're at? Because you might you

1:45:04

could you know, some skulls may have a problem. They don't track

1:45:06

back to where they're supposed to. Just

1:45:09

something to keep in mind. But I started using like

1:45:11

the the b DC radicals

1:45:13

man, and it's not like,

1:45:17

yeah, take take one more thing out. Yeah,

1:45:19

like I used to, I flirted

1:45:21

with messing around dialing. I

1:45:24

just like to count hash marks. Yeah,

1:45:26

it's a lot. It's just like for me. It depends

1:45:29

what kind of guy you are and how your brain works and stuff.

1:45:31

But my brain is the kind of brain that does better when everybody's

1:45:33

locked in. I'm counting hash marks. Are you super

1:45:35

solid on your hash marks? Like yeah,

1:45:38

yeah, do you ever print something mountain tape it to your

1:45:40

stock or yeah? I

1:45:42

print fifty yard increments two yards zero,

1:45:45

and I take a little thing that's two two fifty

1:45:47

three, three fifty four, fifty five

1:45:50

fifty six, and I'll put

1:45:52

it on there. I'll put high ones on there because you never

1:45:54

know the situation where you got something getting away from me that you

1:45:56

you wounded or whatever. And then I

1:45:59

and then I just have plus and I round them off.

1:46:01

I don't have like, you know, three point nine seven.

1:46:05

It's like a round him four on

1:46:07

where I want them. And that's when you used to dial.

1:46:09

You don't have that if you're reading your hash

1:46:11

marks. I use

1:46:14

it for my hash marks. Even though

1:46:16

they're correlated, they're they're like you

1:46:18

can correlate them for like most like magnum

1:46:21

rifles. Right, if you know you have a two yards zero,

1:46:23

then you know that the hashtards are roughly right.

1:46:25

But no, I I write it out, just run

1:46:28

that into blistic calculator every time. I'm just print out a

1:46:30

new new paper for everything.

1:46:32

I'm sorry, I'm confused. If you're

1:46:34

you're writing out what each hash mark equals.

1:46:37

No, I'm writing out my drop. Okay,

1:46:41

so I have like whatever, Like I understand

1:46:43

that, but then how do you how does that work when you look at your

1:46:45

hash marks? Well,

1:46:47

if I know I'm if I know I need to If if I know

1:46:49

I need to do four, then I count down to hash marks

1:46:51

and hold four. If it's five, I got to count down to hash

1:46:54

marks and split the difference between four and six. The

1:46:56

printed out things just yeah,

1:46:58

no four m o A what ever? If

1:47:03

you have if you have if you have a like

1:47:06

a stat what do you call like a stacked radical right

1:47:09

within their two m a a increments.

1:47:12

If I look and I'm like, oh, this shot, I'm

1:47:14

going to be four m o A

1:47:16

low, then

1:47:18

I go down and go

1:47:20

to the fourth the fourth, So you're

1:47:23

joggling that and knowing what the

1:47:25

hash mark yardage is or

1:47:28

do you not do that? No? I just go by I

1:47:30

know what the how I know that, like the

1:47:32

minute of angle drop. I'm trying to compensate

1:47:35

for for it by

1:47:37

using my because like the way I'll

1:47:39

do on the BDC is I'll have my

1:47:41

little chart printed out where it says

1:47:44

the second hash is three two, the

1:47:46

third hash is spot on. That's that's

1:47:48

what I was on

1:47:51

your thing. Yeah, yeah, then you take that to your

1:47:53

stocks before you shoot. You like, oh, scope,

1:47:57

I know what you're saying. That's another way. I think that's that's

1:47:59

a good way of achieve in the same thing. Either way. Did

1:48:01

you like that better than how I do it? There's

1:48:04

less math at to do in my head in the moment.

1:48:08

And there's something about that turret though I've been hunting

1:48:11

with one lately. Rosky they have

1:48:13