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0:37

we're joined, Uh, the second Taylor

0:39

we've had in a row. Now, whether Cran releases

0:42

easy or not, don't say that he's

0:46

commenting on it. I can't say what because

0:49

of the order. Yeah, I just I was just getting

0:51

into that. Okay, fine, now

0:54

he's got to reset the tim again. This

0:56

might be the no,

0:59

just leave this in. Leave this in so you can see

1:01

what I have to deal with. Joined

1:04

by the second Taylor in a row, though

1:07

it might not be how you hear it, because that depends

1:09

on whether Krian what she does. This

1:11

might be the first Tailor, but for

1:14

us second tailor Roll. Both with a great

1:16

affinity for firearms,

1:18

but in a very different context. The

1:21

other Taylor Taylor McCall um.

1:24

He's got a song which could be your theme song. It's

1:26

called black Powder Soul. That

1:28

sounds exciting. Yeah, I don't think he'd be too.

1:32

I'm guessing that he wouldn't be terribly handy

1:34

with a gun, but has a great affinity

1:36

four guns. Would

1:38

you beat me up on that? Maybe he's handy with a gun. I

1:40

would bet that you would have

1:42

beat him in three guns. Don't shoot him,

1:45

Taylor definitely would. Yeah, but I

1:48

think even today you you would have. Yeah.

1:50

I think he's crafty at fishing. I don't think he's a

1:52

crafty shooter. Yeah, he's getting

1:54

into it. That was Taylor McCall. This Taylor

1:56

is Taylor Thorn like Thorne Bay th

1:59

h r an e from

2:04

New Hampshire, New Hampshire, but not

2:06

anymore. Well, right, you're still

2:09

from there. You always be from there. Well technically I'm from

2:11

Texas. Uh so, yeah,

2:13

so the story gets that's

2:17

right, but you got like a whole confused like I'm

2:19

from here situation. Yeah yeah,

2:21

yeah, Well because I was born and raised

2:23

in Houston, which you know, not everyone

2:26

knows Houston is like the fourth biggest

2:28

city in the country. Yeah, it doesn't get a lot of

2:30

big maybe in Texas it does and

2:32

the North people. If you ask people in the North

2:35

to name big cities, they wouldn't get

2:37

to it well, and the thing too is

2:39

that so it's the fourth biggest one. But people

2:41

say, like when I moved to New Hampshire, They're like, oh, you're

2:43

from Texas, You're roaming with the cows. I came

2:45

from Houston, a concrete

2:48

jungle, like it was a legal to own firm animals.

2:50

And I'm like, um, so, y'all

2:52

are roaming with the cows literally, So

2:55

it was a culture shock for sure. Yeah,

2:59

because they thought I would the hill billy, which was

3:01

so weird. So

3:03

I moved to New Hampshire when I was thirteen. Okay,

3:06

hold that thought from bex. A couple things we gotta take care of,

3:09

uh Johnie first, just gotta do a thing.

3:11

He's got to do a favor for a listener. We

3:14

don't often get actual handwritten fans.

3:19

Oh we can still get a lot of it. Well,

3:21

the it's flow to

3:23

me had become interrupted, and I recently

3:25

discovered a large stash of male

3:29

That's why you found that mail to you in my truck, I

3:32

see. Okay, well we got one

3:35

from Dylan because

3:37

his wife say his name again

3:40

shrup, And you realize you weren't

3:42

supposed to say that that you weren't supposed

3:44

to implicate his wife. Yes, she said, if we

3:46

give a shout out to Dylan please

3:48

underlined, please don't mention it. I put

3:50

you up to it, but I

3:55

would have no way.

3:59

How's it going to make her look good if he doesn't

4:01

know that that's who did it? Well then, and I mean, what

4:03

am I gonna do? Just just say that? You know

4:05

what? This morning I woke up and I

4:07

had a dream, and I remember my dream,

4:09

and you know what, I was thinking about this name.

4:13

The initials were d s And

4:15

then I continue to think and shrimp

4:18

guy thought, it's just not gonna

4:20

work right. So sorry, mrs

4:23

that's for sure. If you took his name, I don't

4:25

know. Do you have a way that you could have seguated it somehow?

4:28

No, I was going to go straight on.

4:31

I was going straight to the wife because

4:33

that's the hero here, and why would she

4:36

She's so pure of heart, But

4:40

like I'm worried about her. She loves

4:42

her husband. Yeah, I want him to know that

4:44

he that she was trying to

4:46

do him a solid. Yeah, and

4:48

he should what and maybe he brings

4:51

home flowers, constantly, does dishes

4:53

and whatever nice things he can

4:56

for his wife all the time. But I would say,

4:58

Dylan, you definitely need to be doing

5:01

some nice things for your wife because she's she sounds

5:03

awesome. But a couple of highlights

5:05

here from this nice soul letter. She says that Dylan

5:09

has this is Dylan. I'm sorry, I'm

5:11

gonna mention this stuff, and you canna get a little mad

5:13

at your wife, but that you have man

5:16

crushed on all of the meat eater guys,

5:19

especially the Latvian the eagle.

5:22

That's okay, buddy, I got man crushes

5:24

myself. It's it's it's totally fine.

5:26

Man own it. And um,

5:29

she said they listen to meter podcasts relentlessly.

5:32

She's learned more about

5:35

everything in the in the woods, including turkeys

5:37

and bears and this, that and the other, and she ever

5:39

thought she would. Um.

5:41

She likes to busts balls and

5:44

says that she doesn't like listening, but she actually

5:46

enjoys listening. So anyways,

5:48

Dylan, shout out, and

5:50

um, everybody else listening,

5:53

don't write in for shoutouts because we don't often

5:55

do this. Just we're just really taken by

5:57

Dylan's wife. So, um,

6:00

there we go. That's so sweet.

6:03

Yeah that I mentioned she had really

6:05

good penmanship, very

6:07

legible letter. Appreciate that. Another

6:11

letter we got the the new

6:14

fashioned way, just an email letter, which

6:17

kind of spook because it's because this

6:20

guy was writing in in response to me becoming

6:22

a deep drop enthusiast. He

6:25

was saying the I'm gonna start with

6:27

the end. Well he's he's a commercial fisherman from

6:29

Florida, and he

6:32

was talking about me, talking about deep dropping.

6:35

He says, this is this is a heart this

6:37

is a heartbreaking ship. So you should

6:39

put like sad music. Keep put

6:41

some sad music in over this when you put this together.

6:44

So he says, anyone

6:46

familiar with deep dropping would

6:48

have laughed at Steve's explanation.

6:51

And I don't want Steve to be rejected

6:54

by the deep drop community.

6:57

Where

7:01

where are he? Okay, he's telling me some stuff

7:03

that I've heard from other deep There's this seems to be some debate

7:05

in the deep drop community, but it's like an objective

7:08

reality thing, like there's not like room

7:10

for two people to be right. Do we need

7:12

to explain what deep dropping is? Did you see

7:14

the deer in the headlights? It's it's when

7:16

you fish super super deep.

7:19

I figured it was something together.

7:22

It made sense because what else would

7:24

you be I don't know at what

7:26

point of deep drop becomes a deep drop he talks

7:28

about. It's probably like when you're using

7:30

deep drop tackle. But he's talked about deep dropping

7:33

in five feet, which I think is like, I'm sorry

7:35

to throw an insult back your way. I think

7:37

five feets piss and deep dropping.

7:41

Yeah, nobody uses electric reels at five

7:44

feet. He's a commercial fisherman. I don't know, but I think that

7:46

I think that the deep drop community is laughing

7:48

at him, thinking that's deep dropping

7:50

at five feet. Okay, what else

7:52

was it about your explanation? One

7:54

other thing quick, because we had to when we were out,

7:57

oh you were there, We had this idea that

7:59

we were going to lower Seth down. Have

8:02

you heard this? We want to lower

8:05

Seth down into feet

8:07

of water in order to shrink him

8:10

into a little teeny seth from

8:13

the pressure and then pull him back

8:16

up and just have like a little seth. That

8:19

would be casting movies and stuff.

8:21

Yeah, but he well, he doesn't

8:23

like as he was saying that. Um,

8:26

he's saying that that. I

8:28

was talking about how the current is not strong out in so

8:30

much water. Okay, he's

8:34

saying, you just don't You don't realize how much

8:36

it's ripping because you're far away from the shore

8:38

and so your frame of context of looking at trees

8:40

going by. He says, you're hauling

8:42

ass. The currents hauling more

8:45

ass out there than

8:47

it is in the shallow And he says that

8:49

that that the reason your tackle is always

8:51

running away from you is you got all that

8:54

line out and the currents moving faster

8:56

down deep mhm.

8:59

And he said, my things kindly not affected

9:02

by the wind on the surface. Like he's

9:04

saying, my thing that it's

9:06

more like the wind blowing the boat

9:09

is an optical illusion, like

9:12

like you lower your ship down and it's hard

9:14

to keep the boat in fourtet of

9:16

water. It's hard to keep like

9:18

your bait directly blow the boat.

9:21

It's like running away from you. I

9:23

was thinking that the wind is

9:26

moving you away from

9:28

your ship, but he says,

9:30

the current is moving your ship away

9:33

from you. And that's why

9:35

I would be rejected by the deep

9:37

Drop community for

9:40

saying that. Other interesting

9:42

thing. This guy, this is guy named Luke.

9:44

You know peopleize put their name and their subject

9:47

there, like line whatever.

9:49

It's like m d pH D c

9:52

p A. Right, you know what I'm saying, like, yeah,

9:55

this is this says no credentials.

10:00

I love that guy. Here's

10:03

something about this. So we've talked we've touched

10:05

on this in the past. Photo period. So

10:07

can you know what photo period is? No,

10:10

it's like length of day. There's

10:12

this idea that all that like the

10:15

length of day. So all the all

10:18

this stuff in the animal world, all this stuff

10:21

in the plant world is triggered by length

10:23

of day. Um,

10:26

things that we might think are contributed are

10:28

triggered by weather are

10:31

in fact triggered by length

10:33

of day without

10:36

the impact on weather. And so like

10:38

if you look at things like wind, salmon

10:41

migrate, right, Um, there's

10:44

it's probably bracketed into an appropriate

10:47

length of day window. Within that length

10:49

of day window, there could be like little things

10:53

weather could impact how something

10:55

uses that length of day window, but the length

10:57

of day window is fixed. So we talked

10:59

about like like why do elk bugle and

11:01

people like, oh, you know they're they're not bugling

11:04

because it's hot. The rut came late because

11:06

of this or early because of that. It

11:08

generally someone with jenerry look and say like I can tell

11:10

you that that rut is

11:12

occurring in this bracket

11:16

of daytime length, because right now you're losing three

11:18

and a half minutes of daylight every day, right

11:20

so that that it's occurring in

11:22

this bracket, and within that bracket there could be

11:24

these minor variations

11:27

depending on temperature, all of these other conditions,

11:30

but they're like the main thing that that thing has gone by

11:32

when a leaf, when a tree loses it leaves,

11:34

it's mostly going by photo

11:37

period. This guy

11:39

has some interesting ship because this guy takes care

11:41

of solar arrays, and

11:44

so they have all these sophisticated meters that

11:47

measure length of day,

11:49

intensity of daylight. And

11:51

he's watching his solar

11:53

arrays during these

11:55

periods of intense smoke in the west from

11:58

forest fires, and he

12:00

said that on a on a he's

12:03

betting on an earlier rot because he's like,

12:05

anyway that you'd measure photo period

12:07

about like intensity of mid day

12:10

sun, length of day, like

12:12

during the smoke, length of day shortens,

12:14

intensity of mid day sun diminishes.

12:17

Boy, you are really gonna throw our ranch

12:19

into some people's planning right now.

12:22

That's gonna get some people thinking and turn it in

12:24

their beds at night that they're thinking

12:26

that rout could actually be changed by all the smoke

12:29

this country has had this year. Well, the thing is too this

12:31

dude wrote a long time ago. I've been walking around with

12:33

this email on my phone. But

12:35

he was fired up about hunting Labor

12:37

Day for

12:40

ELK. He says, I'm

12:42

putting all my eggs in the labor

12:45

day weekend basket. Luke no credentials

12:47

labor. It would not have not have

12:49

paid out here in Montana, I don't think, because

12:52

nobody had great act, great bugling

12:55

action early. But that length

12:57

of day is affected by

13:00

amount of light or the time

13:03

of the number of hours minutes in a day

13:06

where there is light. Okay, So my

13:08

aunt who was affected by the fires,

13:10

sent me a photo. It was

13:12

like ten am or eleven am in the morning

13:15

within her living room and it was just black.

13:18

She didn't have any lights on in the house. It was just

13:21

it's crazy. I just love California

13:23

and it's a whole that like that's part of their

13:26

life and it's so weird

13:28

getting used to not seeing.

13:30

So when I came further east

13:33

and you know, northeast from California,

13:36

it's like there's stars again, Like

13:38

what is this craziness because I had actually gotten

13:41

used to not seeing the stars or even seeing

13:43

a blue sky, and the

13:45

sun becomes this weird color and you get so

13:47

used to this weird environment. Then

13:50

it blows out and you're like, oh, that's right, that's

13:52

right, we

13:55

have we have stars. We had speaking

13:57

of photo period. Uh.

14:00

I remember our little boy. Our littlest boy

14:02

was real little. Uh.

14:05

Days are so long in the summertime that

14:08

he goes to bed when it's daylight, right,

14:12

and wakes up in his daylight because

14:14

it's like the nights never end, you know, or the daytime

14:17

never ends. So he'd gone

14:19

like this for a couple

14:21

of months in the summer, which when you're super little, like that's like a

14:23

lifetime. And we had to go to a wedding

14:25

one night, so he was real late and

14:28

we walked outside of the wedding and

14:32

he said, who turned the lights out? Because

14:35

he'd like forgot

14:39

forgot that. There's like the thing was called darkness

14:41

because he has seen it ship in months.

14:45

It's just like always daylight out And now

14:47

here do y'all get where you

14:49

wake up in the dark? And you

14:51

okay, I figured as much because that's

14:53

always interesting, not even just wake up,

14:55

but get to work in the dark. And we work

14:57

in the dark. Yeah, I always feel

15:00

lazy, Like I can't really

15:02

go to movies in the daytime because when you come

15:04

out of a movie and it's daylight,

15:06

you feel like you're wasting your life. You know,

15:08

it's like better to come out when it's dark so you don't feel like

15:10

it's so lazy. But when I go out to

15:12

my brother's place in the summer, when

15:14

we used to drink a lot, you um,

15:17

an anchorage. You'd leave the bar at

15:19

closing time and it's still light out. That

15:22

makes you feel like a real worthless That

15:24

makes you feel worthless something

15:28

they still have daylight. Yeah, Like they

15:30

close the bar, walk outside and you can see.

15:32

Sure I

15:34

could have been doing something better with your life. Alright,

15:37

last thing for you for we before we dive

15:40

into Taylor's inner psyche. Um,

15:44

this guy rode in. So this guy goes down hunting.

15:47

I never hunted this lake, real foot Lake. You

15:49

know what it's like. Um, I

15:51

only I've been on it, but it's in Tennessee. Yeah,

15:54

my brother in law hunted it. So big

15:58

gass long email about hunting real at

16:00

Lake and how they everything they do is different. And

16:03

he says that he

16:06

sends in a recording, this is like the actual

16:08

hunt recording, and he says

16:10

that the guide they're hunting with that

16:13

this is normal, a real foot lake to

16:16

yell at Mallard's yell,

16:20

and he the benefit of the yelling. I

16:24

don't know, he said that, and he said it works.

16:27

So instead of going like, well the duck call wait

16:29

wait, wait Wright, So

16:32

what did Ramsey Russell? How

16:34

did he call it? What

16:36

was the sound he what was the name of

16:38

the sound that he made when he said that guys

16:41

would voice ducks in? Yeah, I think that

16:43

that's what this dude's responding to. Income or

16:45

how did he say? Yank m ame? He

16:49

had like a what was the word for it? You know what I mean?

16:51

Yeah, I don't remember. So

16:53

this is this guy, he said, if you know, play

16:55

the sound. So and he said, this dude

16:57

doing this sound brought birds in. I

17:03

I sounds like a kung Fu movie

17:06

idea.

17:09

Play him yelling again, he

17:12

said, he said, this guy started doing

17:14

it, and he's like, what in the world is

17:16

this guy doing? And the watches this burgel

17:19

come right back in. I I

17:28

I'll tell you what. I love it, man, I'm trying. That's

17:30

all it takes. I'm

17:33

trying it next time. I just

17:36

got an image of Jackie Chan like

17:38

doing and then

17:40

but afterwards he's defeated his like

17:44

you know, and then it's like the squeaky floor

17:46

of him, like we're just walking away. It's like, that's

17:49

a good little movie for that. Yeah, he might have been

17:51

watching jack He might have been watching kung fu movies

17:54

real loud and watched ducks get pouring

17:56

in and eventually realized that all

17:58

the fight scenes X started coming into

18:03

That's amazing. Okay, moving

18:05

on, Taylor, I'm gonna give you a choice.

18:10

You can choose to right off the bat,

18:12

describe three

18:15

gun which is your compet your competitive

18:17

shooter, Describe your what

18:21

do you call your discipline games?

18:25

Or explain to people how you live in a

18:27

camper trailer. It's

18:30

like, I don't care which one goes first. I

18:32

mean, I

18:35

mean, and they're intertwined. Well, that's the

18:37

thing is how do you go from from one

18:39

to the other? Is it's super

18:41

intertwined? Are you not going

18:43

to include in either of those sort of

18:45

how she got there? You can

18:47

go backwards to get there? I think that

18:50

each based on

18:52

some time I stone Taylor, I think that each would

18:55

deliver us to the same place. I'm just

18:57

curious how she chooses

18:59

to approach. Oh gosh, she could be like,

19:01

so the trailer, yeah,

19:04

and then do the whole deal. Would be like, so I like

19:06

three gun yeah, it's I

19:08

would rather start with a camper first, because

19:10

that's that's a more easy,

19:13

bite sized piece. Right. So

19:15

I started traveling. Gosh, I'm going

19:17

into five months now. I

19:19

live and travel trailer that I toe with

19:21

my forerunner from New Hampshire in Montana

19:24

right now. But what's interesting is

19:26

that I didn't come straight across the country.

19:28

I went all the way down to Florida, over

19:31

to Texas up through Colorado. So I've done like

19:33

these huge vs. So it's not been

19:36

from point A to point B. It's been everywhere

19:38

in between, doing shooting competitions in

19:41

the introim and it's been an interesting

19:43

life. Living on the road is a

19:45

full thing in itself, and living

19:47

on the road swung back home during the five

19:49

months. I flew back home because

19:53

yeah, yeah, yeah, I was not going to drive from

19:56

California to New Hampshire. And then I

19:58

just flew back. Most of the country is not close in New

20:00

Hampshire, see, and I

20:02

think I think that it is. It

20:05

feels centrally located. Well,

20:08

I mean, I think they put Strategic

20:10

Air Command in Missouri, you think so,

20:13

thinking it was close to everything. Yeah,

20:15

well, it's just one of those things where there's so many

20:17

states in New England, we always feel like we

20:20

are a part of just because numerically

20:22

there's a lot of states. Because numerically there is a lot

20:25

of people. I mean, and there is a lot

20:27

of people for sure, and because

20:29

you have those major cities like Boston,

20:32

uh, New York, Philadelphia, that's all

20:34

in that area. You do sometimes,

20:37

you know. But anyway, so coming out to Montana

20:40

for anything, I definitely feel like I'm outain the middle

20:42

of nowhere here, but I like it for that. Yes,

20:45

yeah, okay, So now,

20:49

because you did that, explain three guns and now

20:51

we'll go way back in time, way back in time,

20:53

Taylor, in the past. Three guns.

20:56

Um So, I started competing three gun

20:58

in my first competition was in two thousand

21:00

and sixteen. But I don't count that. Explain

21:03

it like I'm five years old. I

21:05

would say it the same way I talked very maturely

21:07

to five year old

21:11

Is it? Yeah? What is it? Someone's like,

21:13

I've never heard of this thing until

21:16

today. I didn't know what the hell I mean, I knew just I

21:19

was confused between Cowboy action pistol

21:21

shots. Right. You were asking all these questions

21:23

about sass, and it's like they

21:26

called sas

21:30

s s so it's couldn't

21:32

find a way to throw a y on the end. Youth

21:36

like the youth league is sassy. You should

21:38

ask them. I bet they would be up for it, because there are

21:40

some pretty sassy people that shoot. When

21:42

I heard when, when I used

21:44

to think I had three gun

21:47

and Cowboy action shooting mixed

21:50

up? Did this like rock your world? Then?

21:53

When? Because I hadn't figured out before today.

21:55

But I mean, had you talked to me a year ago, I

21:57

would have been I was a tad confused. Okay,

22:00

yeah, because Cowboy action shooting. So

22:02

these are basically all the sports

22:05

that we're talking about right now is action shooting

22:07

sports. So there's all sorts of different disciplines

22:09

within competition shooting. Bulls

22:12

eye shooting is that you

22:14

know when you see the guys standing sideways

22:16

with one hand and his pistol and he's taking

22:18

a sweet time to get this super super

22:20

tight group with his Normally

22:23

it's like a twenty two or something like that. Right, So

22:25

you have those kind of competitions you

22:27

have Sometimes people ask me if three guns

22:29

like buy athletes where you ski and

22:31

then you shoot the twenty two rifles. I

22:34

guess that might be moving a little bit better and

22:36

closer to the right direction because you're moving, But

22:38

it is also again very different.

22:41

Um and so with action shooting,

22:43

you are basically running with guns, and it's all time

22:45

and accuracy. So it's how fast

22:47

can you shoot these target? It

22:50

is it's legit running with guns. How

22:52

fast can you be and how accurate can you be while

22:54

you are moving quickly? Which

22:57

makes it a lot of fun. And why it's like,

22:59

you know, even though we gotta

23:01

keep it, we still haven't explained three guns. But that's

23:04

my fault. Now, you don't

23:06

like skeet shooters are not your

23:08

kin folk. They are not.

23:10

But I did spend my first three years of

23:12

competition shooting in sporting plays. Yes,

23:15

okay, so we'll hit that when we back.

23:20

I maybe I don't think I knew that now you did not fun

23:23

fact Why is it even called three guns because

23:25

there's three guns. Yeah,

23:27

three times the amount of fun. It's

23:30

awesome. So pistol, shotgun, rifle,

23:32

and you transition between all those

23:34

firearms under a course of fire, which is

23:37

basically that obstacle course that we had

23:39

set up today where you shoot all these

23:41

different targets. And what's interesting,

23:44

and we didn't even talk about this today, is

23:46

how flexible these

23:48

competitions could be and how the stages

23:50

can change. So what I mean by

23:53

that is you could have a three gun competition where

23:55

you only shoot one gun in a stage, but the next

23:57

one you might shoot two, and then one after that you might

23:59

shoot three. So there's an in the

24:01

stage is like holes of a golf course. Um,

24:05

I mean maybe I'm not as familiar

24:07

with golf. Well, it would be like, um,

24:10

like in a tournament. Okay, good, well

24:13

know, like in a tournament like we did at one

24:15

stage today, correct, it's correct? Okay,

24:18

So we did one So we did one

24:20

stage day in which you shot rifle. We

24:22

shot rifle at one to

24:25

four or five targets, shot a shotgun

24:27

at a half dozen targets, shot

24:30

a pistol. Maybe how Ballpark

24:33

nine targets in that order.

24:35

So that was a stage. But

24:38

in a tournament, all of sudden you moved to a new it. Yes,

24:41

but how many stages might there be

24:43

in a tournament. It depends on the

24:46

level that the competition is at. So your average

24:48

local match that's what we call them as match,

24:51

um, will be you know, maybe anywhere

24:53

from like five to seven

24:55

depending on the side to it. We did today

24:58

seven different setups.

25:02

You just rotate. Travis was another

25:05

fellow that I'm guessing you know, well, you guys

25:07

seem like you guys were buddies, but

25:09

um, he also shoots competitively correct

25:12

maybe as a pro even so, for those

25:14

of y'all who are listening, we're talking about Travis Gibson

25:17

of MGM Targets, Okay

25:19

and easy, a pro three gunner, Yeah, okay,

25:21

still now, well, he's definitely an

25:24

industry yeah, very well known. And

25:26

he was saying that he had one recently where he shot sixteen

25:29

stages. Is former military?

25:32

Is it bad that I don't know, I don't know, I don't know's

25:35

I don't know. I'm not sure, but

25:39

I would I would hate to say if if he did

25:41

have a stint. And but that's not how

25:43

we got into all of this. There was there

25:45

was nothing. I know that for a fact, Seth Bergsy

25:47

was there and he was former military, right, but that's

25:50

yeah, but that's different. So but there's not always

25:52

that that military crossover, um.

25:54

But just to step backwards. So it depends on the

25:57

size the level. We call them different levels

26:00

of three gun competitions. So your

26:02

normal local match will have again

26:05

five to seven, you know, maybe

26:07

eight if some match directors like super

26:09

ambitious, and then from there you

26:11

have sort of your you know,

26:13

maybe regional matches if you will, and

26:16

those will have anywhere from maybe like

26:18

seven to ten to twelve. And then your

26:20

national level competitions will typically have at

26:22

least twelve plus um,

26:25

your your average national will be right

26:27

around those early to mid

26:30

team mark. Uh, you know what we ought to do real

26:32

quick, explain the explain the

26:34

guns you're shooting. You're shooting a

26:36

a r platform rifle like walk through

26:39

all the and then the shotguns like northing I've ever

26:41

seen and compared

26:43

to I mean, it's the same thing I've ever

26:45

seen, but I mean it's like accessorized the

26:50

guns. So competition shooters, we have a

26:52

lot of fun with our gearsh you

26:54

have your handgun. And so keep in mind

26:56

too that I could spend

26:58

an incredible amount of time to ribing this because

27:00

there's so many different divisions. So you have open

27:02

division, a limited division, and heavy metal.

27:05

I'm not even going to dig into it because yeah,

27:09

you have to explain that

27:11

so that you remember you when you asked

27:13

earlier today, you said, does anyone shoot

27:16

anything other than nine? Like do they go for the bigger calibers?

27:18

That's heavy metal. So those guys are shooting

27:21

like a forty or forty five. They have a twelve gage

27:23

shotgun. Um, and then with

27:25

the rifle, they're using a larger caliber

27:27

rifle, so they're not using six.

27:30

Those guys will come out with a three o eight. Some of

27:32

them have like M one grand. It's

27:34

like, it's really cool, but it's a niche

27:37

thing. Those guys are like in their own

27:39

because because you guys are totally mainstream. Oh

27:42

yeah,

27:43

yeah, I'm

27:47

sorry. Do you have any

27:49

idea how

27:51

many competitive three gun shooters

27:54

are there in the country. So it's

27:56

hard to say numbers, but when

27:58

you guestimate. So when when I've talked

28:01

with people about marketing in the past, what

28:03

we have said is that like, let's say

28:05

you have a social media account or you know,

28:07

whatever it is. If you gather

28:10

ten thousand, you probably have most

28:12

of the market, right, So that

28:14

is the number that I could come to the table review. It

28:17

is yes and no. So

28:20

it's the pre COVID yes

28:22

right now? Oh yeah, everything. Yeah.

28:25

So it's it's a really weird time because

28:27

fire ownership is obviously rising

28:30

exponentially. Um, but competition

28:33

shooting isn't everybody traveling

28:35

somewhere and getting together and having a hole down is

28:38

well no, So the problem

28:40

is that most of the competitions have been canceled. Right. So I

28:42

was supposed to have hit the road back in March, but

28:45

then nationals got canceled or postponed,

28:47

I should say, um, and then another area match

28:49

got postponed. So all these things have been either postponed

28:51

or canceled, right. Um, so

28:54

that was a big issue. So how are you supposed

28:56

to get more people involved if we are postponing

28:58

or canceling all the competition? But when

29:01

and I someone to get back to the walk through the guns?

29:03

But real quick, when did

29:06

someone first utter the words

29:10

three gun tournament? It

29:13

wasn't ten was it ten years ago? Oh

29:15

no longer than that twenty

29:19

Um, I would say three gun tournament.

29:22

Yeah, match,

29:26

like you could have gone to a three gun match a decade

29:28

ago. Oh absolutely, Yeah.

29:30

So the the O G guys, I mean

29:32

they come back from you know, early

29:34

two thousand's and it all started. Um

29:37

it was like a law enforcement match basically

29:39

where they ended up inviting um,

29:42

you know, people who were non l

29:44

e O and then you young whipper snappers

29:46

started beating them at their own game. It just evolved.

29:49

Yeah, it evolved. So it's it's

29:51

been around for a while. Um, but maybe

29:54

because of sources like YouTube, I think

29:56

is probably why it's gained perhaps more

29:59

public light, because it's getting more exposure

30:02

where before we were just kind of doing our own

30:04

thing and then maybe knew about it.

30:06

Does that make sense? Yeah, okay, do

30:08

the guns, but do it like if you imagine one

30:12

being on a sliding

30:14

scale. A one

30:16

treatment would be rifle,

30:19

pistol, shotgun. A ten

30:21

treatment would be like, um,

30:24

this trigger tuned this way, okay,

30:27

this upper, this lower Sarah coated

30:30

like that's one in ten. Hit

30:33

me with like a five okay

30:37

five. The guns, Yeah,

30:41

so I'll try not to dub it down to

30:43

like a three or four, but you

30:45

have your handgun right. Again, it depends on

30:47

your division as to what handgun you

30:49

are going to shoot, but typically we're looking

30:52

at nine millimeter when it comes

30:54

to three gun in particular. Um,

30:56

there's other disciplines out there where it can make a

30:58

difference, but we're going to leave that out of picture. And

31:00

I'm just saying that more for the listeners who are like, what

31:02

about major power factor? We're just talking about three gun

31:05

right now? So that yeah,

31:08

that listener, right, So we're just talking about three

31:10

guns. So it's going to be nine millimeter

31:12

semi automatic. Uh So today

31:14

we were shooting SIGs the X five

31:17

legions. Is that where you normally shoot? That's

31:19

my gun, That's what I have. Yeah, so

31:21

that's what a lot of people are going to be shooting as a

31:23

striker fire firearm like that. Uh

31:26

and then you have a lot of really great limited or

31:28

open guns that you could introduce as well.

31:30

So all that is doing just so y'aller no, or

31:32

those are custom built firearms that are

31:34

made out of their their all metal, right,

31:37

all metal, like think of a nineteen eleven.

31:39

Are you familiar with the eleven? No,

31:41

ninety. Imagine

31:44

everything you love about a nineteen eleven and

31:46

then you add twice the m oh oh

31:48

oh yeah, because they're because they're because they're staggered

31:51

in the magazine or what cor Right, So it's a double stacked

31:54

like a glock. Pistols staggered magazine. Right, that's

31:56

why they're still like burly in the hand group. But it's

31:58

um But a glock is a strike a fire. It's polymer

32:00

gun, where a nineteen eleven it's nice

32:03

and it's it's heavy, and it fits great and they shoot

32:05

nice and flat. Right. Uh. Son

32:08

are typically custom built. I mean you have

32:10

some that are factory built as well, but in some

32:12

form or fashion there's some sort of hand

32:14

fitting going on. So they tend

32:16

to be pretty expensive than open guns. Uh

32:19

So at the end of the a R you know how there

32:21

is a you know, uh, there's a compensator

32:24

at the end. Basically there's this muzzle break. So

32:26

you put that on a pistol. And when you put that

32:28

on pistol along with some other things, and again

32:31

I'm really dumbing it down. Oh

32:33

no, no, no, no, you would have known. So

32:35

again for those listeners that are going in, I'm I'm

32:38

dubbing this down to probably a three right now,

32:40

right, Okay, I'm not going to get an open guns and its

32:42

entirety because you can see my enthusiasm.

32:47

But oh,

32:49

I want to go eleven. But you put a compensator

32:51

at the end of those pistols, that's an open

32:53

gun. Uh, that is going

32:56

to keep you shooting. Just flat

32:58

flat fluff flaff flaights awesome. So

33:00

there's different divisions, but they're mostly all going

33:02

to be chambered in nine and you shoot, so

33:06

you should open site too, but

33:08

you do use a red dot. Okay, So just so

33:10

people don't get confused, open guns typically

33:12

have optics on the handgun. What

33:15

what Steve meant what open site is iron

33:17

sight? So I was shooting an iron

33:19

sight fire. I do

33:21

both. So I had the

33:24

week before Nationals. Both my primary and my

33:26

backup red dot went down in

33:28

the same week before Nationals, so I went

33:30

back to irons and I just haven't gotten the gumption

33:32

to buy two more. And

33:35

because I live on the road, right, the warrant

33:37

he thing, it doesn't really matter because

33:39

shipping is a nightmare. So yeah, they

33:41

warrant heated. So I have one sitting in

33:44

New Hampshire, somewhere where you're going. Yeah,

33:47

I mean I don't know where I'm going to be

33:49

too. Are you? Are you breaking all those I

33:51

had a red dot my kid broken like five minutes.

33:54

What because like, like, here's a glass

33:57

thing to put on the end of a gun

33:59

like thing. He's going to do with it? That's no excuse. He

34:01

instantly broke it, broke it in two ways,

34:05

like, broke it twice. That completely

34:07

unrelated breaks. Wow, because

34:10

I mean you stripped the head on,

34:12

stripped some of the hardware. He's

34:15

an animal, well, and then broke the glass. You

34:17

should have him to You aren't act

34:19

like he didn't know what happened. Wow, that's

34:22

impressive. Well, I am really

34:24

rough on on this stuff, and mine

34:27

just broke sort of because I think that it's

34:29

over time, right, so the electronic component

34:32

was no longer functioning. So what happens. You would turn

34:34

on and I would think it was on. I'd start to

34:36

engage targets, and then um,

34:38

the dot would just disappear, which

34:41

is really inconvenient when you're in the middle of the stage.

34:43

Yeah, and that happened at both kind of like iron

34:45

sights. Just the reliability, Yeah,

34:48

I know, sad um,

34:51

ask some more pills you got, Yani Yani?

34:53

He kind of he might have question.

34:56

No, No, I think we're pretty I was just gonna say, we can

34:58

move on to the shotgun. Yeah,

35:01

going in backwards order. I guess it doesn't matter.

35:04

It could be whatever you want. Yeah, you taught us

35:06

in backwards order. Why

35:08

do you say that because we started with yeah,

35:13

yeah, yeah, yeah. I had my reasons for that. So

35:16

what Steve was saying is that, you know, the

35:18

stage we shot today was rifle,

35:21

shotgun, then pistol. But that's not fixed either.

35:23

It could be that was just today.

35:26

But I taught them pistol, rifle,

35:29

then shotguns. So that's why he's saying

35:31

I taught backwards But anyways, that's a different

35:33

conversation. I had reasons for why

35:35

I did that. So Danny's new nickname is Teacup

35:37

Ticcop. By the way, I

35:40

love that. I think it fits you very

35:42

well. Well. I told him earlier that it was going

35:44

to really suck to get whooped

35:46

and burned by Teacup.

35:49

I guess what happened? How

35:54

does that feel? What

35:56

was my stage name? Oh wait wait wait facebox

35:59

facebox spots. Yeah,

36:02

I poured dribbled t all over

36:04

your face box. I

36:06

am so sorry. This has just brought up a lot of really

36:09

weird I will

36:11

stick away from that. So the shotgun, that

36:14

is, people ask me all the time, what's your

36:16

favorite gun? And I hate answering that. Didn't

36:18

you say that earlier? Someone asked you, like, what's

36:20

your Because it depends on the application,

36:23

right, So it's all depended upon

36:25

the situation as to what my quote unquote

36:27

favor gun. But I will say, if I'm having a bad

36:30

day, the shotgun will always

36:32

make me happy. There's just

36:34

something so fun about that scattered

36:36

gun. And the other thing is I do

36:38

think it's really versatile. Right.

36:41

So the shotgun, Um, you could

36:43

do a close quarter stuff with it, right,

36:46

Um, you could do home defense, you could go hunting

36:48

with it. You have a bird shot,

36:50

you have slugs, you have you

36:52

know, buckshot, and then you could choke it too different

36:54

patterns. So there is

36:57

a lot of versatility

36:59

with that fire. But the shotguns

37:01

that we use for a three gun are semi

37:03

automatic. There's some heavy metal guys that like to

37:05

torture themselves with pump but that's

37:07

very very rare in this competition. Most

37:10

everyone's going to be semi automatic fire UM

37:13

for the shotgun and real quick

37:15

on that on the heavy metal guys UM,

37:18

so a pump a guy could theoretically

37:20

be competing. I should point out to people

37:22

that they're competing for time, like

37:25

you have to hit the targets, but it's like doing it all

37:27

really quickly. So a

37:30

person would go toe to toe with

37:33

a slide action shotgun need to go toe

37:35

to toe with someone shooting a semiauto and still

37:37

have a prayer to win if

37:40

they're good enough. There's very very

37:42

few people that are good enough to do that, but

37:44

there are one or two out there who who

37:46

do. And you have to have the shotgun for it, right because

37:49

as y'all know, there's some pump action shotguns

37:51

that are just smooth as butter. It's like it practically

37:53

does it for you. And then there's others that like

37:56

forget about it, like that's

37:58

not happening. So somebody automatic

38:00

and then twelve gauge UM. Technically

38:02

per the rules, some like

38:04

twenty gauge would be acceptable, but no one

38:06

does that. You're just giving yourself less bbs

38:09

to have on target. And in my personal

38:12

experience, a twelve and twenty gauge

38:14

when you're shooting. Semi automatic shotguns have

38:16

about the same amount of recoil um.

38:18

So I don't see the benefit with

38:31

an extended tube that

38:34

extends out the end so

38:36

far that I thought that your shotgun

38:39

was going to hit the tube. Yeah

38:41

right, the gun was going to actually blow

38:44

the end of the magazine. It does, not sticking

38:46

out way past the barrel. It is

38:48

so these shotguns look, they

38:51

look really crazy.

38:54

It's all. It's all too It's all. The tube

38:56

is what you're seeing. So the barrel is a normal link

38:58

barrel of anything. It might be slightly shorter than

39:01

what you would use really sporting plays or whatever, but

39:03

the tube is is yeah, it's on

39:07

yours. Yeah yeah,

39:10

yeah, is like way too long for

39:12

this game. There's no use for it because most everything

39:14

that we do is pretty close with the shotgun.

39:16

Right. You might get some aerial clay presentations,

39:19

but it's so far in between. You're

39:21

not wanting to because a maneuverability factor

39:23

because that the actube is already so long.

39:26

I mean, you don't want to add to weight because weight is

39:28

a big factor. You get you're so fatigued.

39:31

I mean, Karen, you know because my shoulders

39:33

or yeah, oh is your shoulder bruised

39:36

up from shooting today? No, I don't

39:38

think. So. It was just when

39:40

I was, uh that

39:43

that gun just kept kind of yeah

39:45

yeah, just like stopping and

39:48

you know, and then I was like, I just took breaks in

39:50

the middle because my shoulders just posturing and

39:52

holding it a little tired, and just

39:54

they got they got Bernie. Yeah waits

39:57

waight. It's huge. So I just had

39:59

a whole chain of thoughts go through my head.

40:01

That was probably an eleven in terms of

40:03

like, oh, all the fun accessories I have on my shotguns.

40:06

So I'm going to rill it in a five. So I'm gonna drop

40:08

it right there. So what I shoot just that people are

40:10

curious as a bread to be twelve eye, which

40:12

is basically the same as a Vanilli

40:15

in two right, which is very comparable

40:17

to what you were shooting today with weather be very similar

40:19

platform, but with the aftermarket like

40:22

specialized everything. Yeah yeah,

40:24

so strip it down and put all new parts on a

40:27

lot of it. Yeah, So uh I

40:29

Dissident Arms is very very common

40:31

aftermarket company in the competition world.

40:33

So that crazy handguard, that

40:36

the trigger guard, the trigger you know, everything,

40:38

and then Briley, which you'll probably know just

40:40

from regular shotgun shooting. Uh, there's

40:42

a lot of those parts into it. So it's pretty

40:45

it's pretty juiced up. It's pretty fun. Yeah.

40:47

Yeah, so you spent a lot of time ranching on your

40:49

gun. Yeah, yeah, it's fun.

40:52

That's uh, that's what we do. And are

40:54

there rules and rigs about what

40:56

you can do to your firearms?

41:00

Uh? I mean I would imagine, because then people might have

41:02

unfair advantages. But you know, is

41:05

it is it very structured? Is it very

41:07

kind of boundaried around what you can

41:10

and can't do? Or people can get really creative

41:12

and so yes, So no, again,

41:15

it's it's hard not to spend and

41:17

I don't want to, you know, spend the entire time because

41:20

I could talk like for probably an hour talking

41:22

about the different divisions and what's acceptable

41:24

within those divisions. But in a nutshell open

41:27

which we talked about before, that has a compensator,

41:29

that has the optic, you could pretty much

41:31

do whatever you want. Hence open,

41:33

it's open to possibilities. You can do whatever

41:35

you want, um as long as it's safe. Right.

41:38

So some people will get

41:41

really really into their trigger

41:43

work and they'll make it too light, and so

41:45

now the gun is unsafe because they breathe on

41:47

it and the trigger is going on. That's

41:49

a problem. Whatever the hell. It's

41:51

not a league where there is some governing

41:54

body that yeah yeah, yeah,

41:57

uh and the same. So it just goes upon

41:59

the vision that you're in is dependent.

42:02

So as shotgun, mag fed shotguns

42:04

are huge now, I would say about three or

42:06

four years ago, it's a mafed. So

42:09

you know how that the pistol in the rifle, those with

42:11

magazines, it's

42:15

the lingo. But that's the thing is again,

42:17

I am used to talking to people who this

42:20

is also their world. So I love questions

42:22

like that because I forget

42:25

about how much is our lingo.

42:28

Plus, there's no like, there's no mag fed

42:30

shotguns, I should say,

42:32

in like in the mainstream in the

42:34

in the hunting world, because

42:37

I mean, like unless you go back to you like they

42:40

used to be mag fed bold action shotguns.

42:42

We had a couple that I was laying around, but

42:44

just so like just rare. Right.

42:47

Well, so two or three years ago someone came

42:49

up to a competition with a mag fed shotgun.

42:52

Everyone would sort of brush it off because

42:54

we're like they're going to have so many malfunctions anyways,

42:56

they're not going to be competitive. Where now

42:58

people show up with mag fe chocun. It's gain

43:00

popularity incredibly. Uh,

43:03

it's serious business. As someone who's shooting

43:05

a tube fat chocun. We can't really compete with

43:07

that. So again that's why we had different divisions. Right,

43:10

I want to explain. I want to explain quad loading real

43:12

quickly. Oh my god, your face. So

43:16

Taylor has like highly

43:18

accessorized like a belt that

43:21

holds all the magazines.

43:24

It's like a tool belt, very sophisticated

43:26

tool belt, and on it was the thing that holds

43:28

Tommy holds shoun eight choculn shells.

43:31

So y'all's had eight, um

43:33

mine, I have to. I have one for eight, one

43:35

for twelve, okay, And it stacks

43:38

them so that you can just reach down blind.

43:41

I don't try to get too much detail. You can

43:43

reach down blind and

43:45

pull away four shotgun shells

43:48

stacked like a stack of two and a stack of two

43:52

and and and the stack is end to end, end

43:54

to end stacked, so you're holding your

43:58

your hand is gripped around four

44:00

shotgun shells stacked end to end.

44:03

Then she like,

44:08

in a sort of moment of magic, turns

44:11

the shotgun upside down so the so

44:14

the feeding apparatus is facing up,

44:17

and then loads with one press of the thumb.

44:20

This is free hand shotgun shells. Loads

44:22

with one press of the thumb two into the tube

44:25

and then two into the

44:27

tube. But in like

44:31

like a couple of seconds. I don't know, what the hell, it's

44:33

less than that. It's like, I don't know, it'sensive.

44:36

It's like, yeah,

44:38

we're talking about in tents earlier, because in competition

44:41

shooting we talk in tents a lot. And they're like,

44:43

what you're You're down

44:45

to that level. And I'm like, oh yeah, okay, all right, let's

44:47

really it back up. The second quad loading is

44:49

really something picture the world

44:52

duck hunting, where it'd

44:54

just be two that you'd have one of those

44:57

things to your the shoulder strap

44:59

on your way do it and

45:01

just yeah, instead of like digging

45:03

around your pockets and ship looking for him, you just

45:05

be like wha. It's so much more efficient.

45:08

And that's what's funny. It's coming in today, so

45:10

normally people the and

45:13

again that's where I could talk about this stuff forever.

45:15

The evolution of loading a shotgund because

45:17

used to, people would feed them in with their thumb

45:20

one by one, which is maybe even how y'all do

45:22

it right now? I don't, I don't know, um

45:24

and yeah,

45:28

forget that stuff. And then dual loading.

45:31

So used to because I could

45:33

dual load, uh like eight rounds

45:36

and about I would say, you know,

45:39

four to five seconds something like that, right, which

45:41

is very respectable, And in

45:43

my opinion, because I have really small hands,

45:46

I was like, if I could consistently dual load, then

45:48

what's the what is it worth to start

45:50

quad loading? Because it could go wrong

45:53

real side, you know, sideways, real quick.

45:55

Um oh yeah,

45:58

yeah yeah um. If

46:00

you become proficient qualding, then you're that much more competitive.

46:02

So coming in today, I'm like, am I going to make

46:04

these guys quad load? And then I'm like, hell,

46:07

yeah, no, no, it was good to know. Yeah,

46:09

you guys have got to quad load. There's

46:11

no excuse. I'm not going to start you off at these

46:13

baby steps. We're just going for it. And

46:16

I'm so happy because they'll look on

46:18

your face. You're like I could just

46:20

see you being somewhere hunting and

46:22

you're like, I need to you know, you know, where that

46:24

will come in handyes on like a no plug

46:26

snow goose hunt or

46:29

even just like just do not. You can't

46:32

quad load with for ducks because it's the

46:34

three shell maximum, but you can still

46:36

dual load, not for sure. Oh yeah,

46:38

I mean if you imagine just that whole.

46:41

Sorry to interrupt, but just like the different

46:43

um the way

46:45

you flip your gun up and then how you put your

46:48

thumb and orient your thumb and the

46:50

way you push it in there, you're

46:52

a lot less apt to get like the

46:54

messed up thumb from jamming it in

46:56

too far, like everybody gets at some point, you

46:58

know, your thumbs are cold there in the duck blind

47:01

and this is just like a much more efficient

47:03

way to get that business done

47:05

with. Okay, hit us with the rifle. Now, okay,

47:07

the rifle. So the

47:09

rifle is almost always going to be

47:12

a our platform, rifle

47:14

chambered in six no way

47:16

to hold your own with any other thing.

47:19

Oh I mean, people do it again, like you

47:21

know mentioned earlier, People come out with you know,

47:24

fun like end fields or in

47:26

one grands or whatever. They're having fun.

47:28

But that's the most competitive platform. That's what most

47:31

everyone's going to do. Regardless of you're in a limited,

47:33

an open class, or tactical

47:35

class. Most everyone is shooting uh

47:38

an a r that's chambered into six.

47:41

That's really it. The the other people

47:43

who are shooting different you know rifles

47:45

that those are the outliers. Those those

47:47

are typically your heavy metal guys that are just like,

47:50

we're here to have fun. I got my grandpa's

47:52

gun and we're you know the bayonet.

47:54

Remember you nearly honest nearly stabbed

47:56

target. It was impressive. Uh

47:59

yeah, So they'll put their bandets on and

48:01

have fun. And is it

48:03

always is it? It's

48:05

not always scoped right Like you can use a red dot

48:08

too correct. So if you're shooting limited,

48:10

you have a that is an unscoped

48:12

rightful uh unlimited, so you

48:15

have iron sights. And then so I used to

48:17

shoot limited, I did it with a red dot, which is unmagnified.

48:20

So I've literally just got that one little dot. So they'll

48:22

let you use a red dot and limited correct and

48:25

then there's no magnification. There's no magnification,

48:27

it's just a dot um. And then when you go up

48:30

to tactical, which is what we were doing them, that's when you

48:32

introduce magnification. So today

48:35

I think, so Vortex

48:37

we had this strike Eagle, which is

48:39

I shouldn't know because I had one years ago. But it's like

48:41

a one to six, I think, um,

48:43

and then all the way up to the new Vortex raser,

48:46

which is a one to ten and that's a that's a

48:48

beautiful scope and on that. You

48:50

know, I don't know if this is something I think people

48:52

that hunt will appreciate, is you

48:55

guys have a little contraption for

48:58

dialing magnification. Like

49:01

normally when you dial magnification on the scope,

49:03

that accessory piece that the

49:05

cattail, Yeah, you gotta grab it like you're

49:07

trying to kill a chicken when normally

49:10

when you go to dial when you go to dial

49:12

magnification. But you guys hooked

49:14

that little lever on there, yeah, which

49:17

just lets you like like

49:19

a major mechanical advantage these things

49:21

that walk I don't know if you noticed he walked away with one

49:23

of those Oh you did this

49:27

slow nod. I'm

49:31

sick of trying to kill chickens

49:33

when I want to dial up. Yeah. No, it

49:35

makes dialing up like it really gives you like a

49:37

strong lever. Yeah, absolutely,

49:40

you can't know why would you not? I

49:42

mean, but that's the thing is that we had

49:44

to get into our gear. That's why earlier I was so enthusiastic

49:47

about talking about all this stuff because

49:50

we are a how do you say, um?

49:53

Like Yankee ingenuity. If you would think of it, you

49:55

can kind of figure it out. Yeah, and the quick

49:57

dial what's the name brand on that

49:59

quick down view change view was?

50:01

It had

50:04

mine with me either way? Cat

50:07

tail right, it looks like a cat's tail hanging off there.

50:09

The reason that comes in handy is the first thing you gotta do

50:11

when they say go, you gotta shoot

50:14

three targets at a hundred yards. They're

50:16

like eight inch plates. It didn't

50:18

steal. And then you got also

50:20

shoot a bunch of ship's super close. So

50:23

you might dial up to

50:25

make the yard shot good,

50:28

but then you got to really quickly be ready for like short

50:30

shots. And so that saves you a lot of fiddle

50:34

farting around having that cat tail. It does, but

50:36

I imagine even for the hunting world, there

50:38

could be great application for

50:40

having to do. But then it's just

50:42

like stuff to catch on stuff. And that's

50:45

true. But the ones that you have that that

50:47

top half the part that you grewp on two folds

50:49

down. M he didn't,

50:51

like I said, he walked away with one.

50:55

But it is. It is interesting. There is a lot of I

50:57

think, things that could potentially go from the competition

51:00

and shooting world into the hunting world. Yeah. Oh

51:02

I was paying attention to that. I was like, I was for

51:04

technological you're taking notes. I

51:06

think, just like some of the mind

51:08

frame stuff, you know, just

51:10

like staying calm under pressure. All that kind of stuff

51:13

is nople But you didn't. You didn't grow

51:15

up shooting guns. No, No, like

51:17

almost the opposite, right in a way.

51:20

I mean because I grew up in Houston.

51:22

It's a huge city. And even though it's

51:24

in Texas, like it's not

51:26

not everyone in Texas has like a gun person.

51:29

Your parents like gunfriendly people. Oh, they were

51:31

fine with it. I mean if you live

51:33

in Texas, even if you are in Austin,

51:35

which is the most liberal city in Texas, there's an

51:37

assumption that firearms are still okay.

51:40

Um, like we're in New England.

51:42

If you go to some of the states there, like

51:45

like especially Massachusetts, you start talking about

51:47

guns like people will have you know, act

51:49

like you have three heads. It's like a general kind

51:51

of naughtiness. Yeah, you feel

51:54

it's like a taboo, which is absolutely terrible.

51:56

But I did not grow up with firearms. Um,

51:59

like you grew up like no guns in the house, no

52:01

guns in the house at all. Yeah,

52:03

and moving to New Hampshire that

52:06

normal or not? Do more? I

52:08

bet more American households don't than do.

52:11

I grew up in New York City going

52:13

to the house plenty I

52:15

was. I did not say anything to anybody ever.

52:18

Yeah. Yeah, definitely taboo there

52:23

hidden on my parents bed. No rights.

52:26

Oh my god, I'll talk about that. Um.

52:28

Were you asking if it's common

52:30

for people not to grow up with firearms too? No, I

52:33

was just wondering, like the split took

52:36

up, it's changing now new

52:39

fire and purchases are people who didn't have

52:41

guns before, so that it's definitely

52:43

changing. Yeah yeah, so whatever that

52:45

that number was, it's it's different now. Yeah.

52:48

Yeah. But I mean, my so my stupdad

52:50

used to hunt when we moved to New Hampshire. It

52:52

was because my you know, my mom and my stepdad

52:54

got married. Um, but his version

52:56

of hunting was like he would take his like

52:58

muzzle loader and walk around in the woods it was like a

53:01

stroll, like a leisurely stroll. He got a deal

53:03

I think like fifteen plus years ago once,

53:06

Um, I'm so sorry. That was

53:10

his groove, like take a most sneak around

53:12

in snowy woods. Yeah, but he never shared

53:14

that. That was never a part of anything. No,

53:18

no, I was never a part of any of them. Actively

53:20

not invite you or just he would just disappear

53:22

in the morning. I mean he would wake up earlier and he was

53:24

gone, and then he was catching a moment. He would show

53:27

back up. Yeah, he was having his moment. So I mean

53:29

whatever, and no hard feelings because I you

53:31

know, I used to race motocross. I had like my own thing going

53:33

on so well,

53:36

so I actually you saw tally

53:38

Am. I raised four wheelers. So if I raised a dirt bike, it would

53:40

have been sandbagging on like a seventy c C with a whole

53:42

bunch of twelve year olds. So with a four

53:44

wheeler I could write a four fifty

53:46

and be with you know, normal adulton

53:49

aged people. You got

53:51

into that in New Hampshire. Yeah, yeah, Well

53:53

because behind our house, which is in

53:55

Dumbarton, New Hampshire, it's

53:57

all conservation land. It's called Clough State Park

53:59

and Club State Park is a huge

54:02

a TV trail system

54:04

and so I got into it from there. So I would ride

54:06

my quad right from uh right

54:08

from my mom's house into the state park. So

54:11

are you like when you were growing up so you did that competitively?

54:14

Yeah? Are you sort of in your

54:16

head like if you're gonna do something, it

54:19

just turns into competition. Are you getting this sense?

54:21

So when I used to do before leaving

54:25

Houston, kickboxing was big.

54:27

So I had actually like to have

54:29

like a winner, you have to Yeah,

54:33

well, so kickboxing I actually qualified

54:35

for the Junior Olympics. Uh yeah,

54:38

but we couldn't uh we couldn't afford

54:40

it because the Olympic trials were

54:43

I think in Michigan or something like that, and so

54:45

I mean we couldn't afford to go. And then my mom was like, and

54:47

we're moving to New Hampshire and there's no good dojos

54:49

up there. I mean, I'm sure that there. Maybe

54:52

it was, but not to the caliber that I was used to before

54:54

we had a We had a guy we worked with for a while and he was

54:57

he was a skier and was wanting

54:59

to be competit of and we're talking

55:01

about Olympic skiing and all that, and he

55:03

was saying something interesting that there's

55:05

a point at which your

55:08

ability to like as

55:10

a young skier, there's a point at which

55:12

your ability to be competitive is

55:14

tied to the economics of your family. Because

55:17

he's like, rich kids,

55:20

they ski six months of the year in North America,

55:22

and then they spend six months a year in New Zealand. And

55:24

he's like, you're not going to catch those kids skiing

55:27

six months a year. It's

55:29

just it's just like there's a there's a major

55:32

function of just like can you afford

55:34

to be good? Which is kind of disheartening.

55:36

It is, it is um but I think

55:38

that if those those people who

55:40

are naturally talented, even if they come from bad

55:43

economic backgrounds, if they

55:45

have the gumption to

55:47

market themselves appropriately, they

55:49

could yield that economic

55:52

benefits. I'm

55:56

so sorry, I just got an image of all these cowboy shooters

55:58

and Steve just being I use sassy

56:01

people. Uh

56:03

but yeah, I mean, and again I

56:05

don't see. So this is what happens when you shoot three

56:07

gear. You come home with a whole bunch of random ammo

56:09

like in your pockets. That's

56:13

why. Yeah, that's why you travel the country living

56:16

in a camper. I

56:19

don't deal with t s A. Well, I still deal with t s

56:21

A because I do still fly. But

56:24

so I'm actually I'm coming out with a piece. Um,

56:26

I'm not sure when it's publishing about driving

56:28

and traveling across country with fire and tell people where

56:30

you right for so, I write for guns dot Com.

56:33

I cover all their competition related content, and

56:35

I do kind of other fun stuff as

56:37

well, whether if it's reviewing firearms or talking

56:39

about again when it's like traveling

56:42

across country with firearms constructional how

56:44

to Yeah, yeah,

56:46

and it's not as bad as as people

56:49

think. You just have to be smart,

56:51

you know, block your guns um in a

56:53

separate compartment, so if you're in a car, it's in your

56:55

trunk. If you're in an SUV, just keep it out of reach,

56:57

right, And then I have your AMMO in a separate

57:00

compartment that's also locked. Don't have

57:02

any magazines preloaded. Every

57:04

state is different some states. All that stuff is fine,

57:06

but you're given the recipe to how to be just cool

57:08

going from state to state to state to go anywhere. Yeah,

57:10

that's the recipe for for anywhere

57:13

and other than that. Um, I

57:15

always keep a copy of PAPA and uh

57:18

the glob box of my car. So Farms

57:20

Owners Protection Act. So that is

57:22

the law, um that protects you from going

57:25

from one state to the other. So if you are illegal, point,

57:27

because you might be in a situation where you need to explain

57:29

it to somebody. Well, so let's say we're leaving New

57:32

Hampshire and I came down south.

57:35

Um so New York,

57:38

New Jersey, all Massachusetts,

57:41

all those states. Everything I own is illegal

57:43

in those states. But I'm protected by FOPA

57:45

to drive through those states. And you could

57:47

stop for gas and stuff like that, right, but

57:50

you're you're good, You're good to go. I could drive through all of

57:52

those states perfectly fine because of POPA. So

57:54

I keep that documentation. UM,

57:56

And I mean I love law enforcement,

57:59

so won't say anything that's interesting about FOUS.

58:01

So like I

58:03

I don't know that I know, I know of the thing, but

58:05

I never heard that acronym. But um,

58:10

you can drive through. But I remember hearing

58:12

that people get in trouble because

58:15

you can, like somehow

58:19

you could be It doesn't count

58:21

if you go into New York and then fly out

58:23

of a New York Airport because I was tiring these

58:25

law enforcement guys are saying, they're always people

58:28

are always getting in trouble coming down from Pennsylvania,

58:31

coming down to places flying out of JFK

58:33

Leguardia, and they

58:35

can like travel through legally, but

58:38

they go to like there, but now they're

58:40

in there in the city, and

58:43

so they're they're in what's like gathered

58:45

up by the city of the port authority. So

58:47

then there you are with a gun checking

58:50

on an airplane and you don't have

58:52

the necessary permit to have a

58:54

gun in the city somehow in their

58:57

view, And I don't know if this just it needs to be challenged.

58:59

I noticed, like I know that it's an issue. I don't

59:01

know if it's constitutional or legal,

59:04

but in their view, you had

59:06

stepped out of those protections at

59:09

that moment that you went to check it onto a plane.

59:12

Sure I would have to reasearch. I never under like,

59:14

I never got into it enough to understand like how

59:16

that's true. But it's like you could drive past

59:18

the airport, but the minute you go to check

59:20

that gun in that thing, it's

59:23

like not your it's out of your car. To

59:27

I don't know how they viewed it, but it would be that. But

59:29

their thing was and it was always

59:31

people being like but I thought like, no, dude,

59:33

because you're standing here right now checking this gun in

59:35

it's not the same thing as you traveling

59:38

through with it in your car. I would still I would

59:40

personally question that. Now,

59:42

So FOLKA does specify interstate

59:45

travel. It doesn't stay

59:47

like like when I I'm sorry,

59:49

maybe that's my accent. Interstate

59:52

like as in the highway. It does specify that,

59:55

so maybe it does get different like you took it

59:57

out, you got it out of your car and your you know

59:59

whatever. Again, I I would question it. And there's

1:00:01

so much more that we could dig into this. So, for instance,

1:00:03

I flew out of California recently. Um

1:00:05

So in California, most of my farms are illegal,

1:00:08

right, but I'm there for competition

1:00:10

reasons. So there is a

1:00:13

actual um I forget

1:00:15

what they call it, not not a law, but you know there's

1:00:17

a provision that if you're there for competition

1:00:20

reasons and you're good, and so I could fly competition

1:00:23

in California. Yeah,

1:00:26

I know. I was very skeptical, but

1:00:29

a thousand percent. So so they have like

1:00:32

again, you know, whether if it's considered a law

1:00:34

or bill or whatever. We're if you're there for competition reasons,

1:00:37

you could have those firearms that people generally

1:00:39

have thought we're not legal in California. So

1:00:42

I flew out of California recently with all my guns.

1:00:44

But for anyone who's flying, I recommend

1:00:46

you just to take everything apart because no one at

1:00:48

the airline understands anything of

1:00:50

what you're carrying on you. I mean they

1:00:53

really they have no clue. So just

1:00:55

take everything apart, make sure it's safe, and

1:00:58

for the most part, you're not gonna get questions. I'll

1:01:00

point out to people because I don't want this stuff

1:01:02

to be I don't want this stuff

1:01:04

to then discourage people from doing what they want to

1:01:06

do. And like they're like get overwhelmed by the complexity

1:01:09

law. There are a ton of resources online

1:01:11

to hop you navigate, like

1:01:13

to help you stand on the right side of the law. It's

1:01:16

like it sounds like intimidating and complicated,

1:01:19

but in practice, um,

1:01:23

in practice, when you're generally going from

1:01:25

somewhere to somewhere, like you're going to Canada or whatever,

1:01:29

it seems intimidating, But when you go and do it,

1:01:31

it winds up being fine. It's easy

1:01:33

to find the resources you need. You

1:01:35

know, it's not like people waiting at every corner and be like,

1:01:37

got you, you know, you screwed this up.

1:01:39

But just it does doesn't have that feel to it exactly.

1:01:42

And of course, right there's a disclosure that

1:01:44

it's up to people to do their own research to

1:01:46

make sure that they are doing the legal thing right,

1:01:48

don't use the podcast as your guidance

1:01:51

for this

1:01:55

is what I should do. So anyways, do your

1:01:57

research. But at the end of the day, it's actually really easy.

1:02:00

Um and for the most part, you

1:02:02

know, law enforcement or anyone you might run

1:02:04

into, to be honest, most of them have no

1:02:06

idea what they're looking at. There. There's some out there who

1:02:08

are super super educated, and a lot of them even

1:02:10

compete, but for the most part,

1:02:13

they don't know what they're looking at. And you're probably more educated

1:02:15

about it than there. But that's that's like a funny little

1:02:17

Yeah, I want to get back to bio, but like a funny little

1:02:19

trade. You need to go throughout some airports as

1:02:22

they want to inspect it. Oh

1:02:24

and you open it up like

1:02:26

they're not even pretending to know. But they're like

1:02:28

they know that they're like the air the person checking

1:02:30

you in knows that they're supposed to like inspect

1:02:33

it, but they also know that they're not going to bullshit

1:02:35

themselves, like they don't know if they're looking at so like you

1:02:37

open it, they look down and like, sure

1:02:40

you're closing back up because like, hell,

1:02:42

I'm looking for They have no idea, and it's

1:02:44

like because they want to feel like they're doing the right

1:02:46

thing. I think I think that appears

1:02:49

to be a gun up

1:02:51

that they do. They just look at it and

1:02:54

they're kind of like a

1:02:56

dead snake. It's like no. And

1:03:00

sometimes when they want you to show clear,

1:03:02

it's like, okay, well, what position

1:03:05

where do you want me to point this to show you that my

1:03:07

fire is unloaded because you're in the middle

1:03:09

of it. And

1:03:11

but normally when you um

1:03:14

normally when you do that, they're

1:03:17

just kind of like, oh, um, no, no, it's fine.

1:03:19

But I've known some competition shooters will they'll take

1:03:21

their a R right out and remember that charging hill and they go just

1:03:23

go whack a whack, a whack whack in the middle of

1:03:25

the air plant, just be like, yeah, it's clear.

1:03:28

Well, I think That's why most people that do have

1:03:30

to do that are very like, yeah,

1:03:33

you open it, like hey, looks, looks get at me. Let's

1:03:35

not get the gun out and play with it. Let's just put

1:03:37

it back in the little box that kills

1:03:40

me. Okay, So not many

1:03:42

guns growing up. Then

1:03:44

all of a sudden you're like, I only get me a gun. Well

1:03:47

so almost. Yeah, So m I had

1:03:49

gotten out of long term relationship my high school

1:03:51

sweetheart. Uh three,

1:03:54

um, I mean you just it's when

1:03:56

you're dating someone from sixteen to your early

1:03:58

twenties. Just agen you

1:04:01

just met in high school. Well technically

1:04:03

he was homeschooled and I wasn't, but I alwa say high

1:04:05

school sweetheart because it's easier for people to Actually it

1:04:08

was like at a party, you know. It was just like the party.

1:04:13

A lot of people home school to kids. They don't wan him to party.

1:04:16

It was a lot of people party home school.

1:04:19

It's big part of homeschool

1:04:21

not this is not universal. It's a big part of

1:04:23

homeschooling is they don't want their kids

1:04:25

to find out about They don't want to find out about

1:04:27

dirty er. They don't want

1:04:29

them to party, they don't want them to like

1:04:32

know about certain things. It's kind of a way to be

1:04:34

like, I want my kid to just know about what I tell

1:04:36

them, Steve, what other socializing would they get if they

1:04:38

didn't go to parties or not school to other kids all

1:04:40

day? You know what I mean. Yeah,

1:04:43

it's just it's like a way to control what goes

1:04:45

into their little brain. Yeah. Well yeah,

1:04:48

I mean his parents did for different reasons, just because

1:04:50

they didn't feel that the public school system was doing,

1:04:53

you know, the best education. But that's,

1:04:55

you know what I'm speaking just a

1:04:57

segment of that world. So when you say, like I was

1:04:59

pard parting

1:05:02

with the homeschoolers, it just seems funny to

1:05:04

me. I think we should maybe name this episode party

1:05:06

with Homeschoolers or running with

1:05:08

guns. I don't candid running with party

1:05:14

with homeschoolers. So there you are, your partying

1:05:16

with a home schooler at sixteen. Yeah, yeah,

1:05:19

and drink um.

1:05:22

No, I don't think so, actually yeah,

1:05:25

I don't know. So he's like, no, I'm cool, and

1:05:27

you met him, started dating? Yeah, we started dating,

1:05:29

and then it's like any relationship when you're in your

1:05:31

early twenties, where you know there's just

1:05:34

immaturity right there. There's jealousy,

1:05:36

there's immaturity. You're not mature as a person. They're

1:05:38

not mature as a person, and you

1:05:40

you grow out of it. So I had gotten out

1:05:42

of that relationship, and I remember

1:05:44

it was like, heck to find a place for me to

1:05:46

live by myself. I guys are living together.

1:05:49

Well, yeah, I was twenty three. I'm not

1:05:51

gonna be at my mom's with my boyfriend. Yeah,

1:05:53

but you did so, so, um,

1:05:56

you're not married now, okay, yeah,

1:05:59

so I'm sorry if I'm not within the traditionalist.

1:06:04

I'm always curious about whether people are married

1:06:06

or not. Yeah. So you guys split up, couldn't

1:06:08

find a place, Yeah, And I end up finding one place

1:06:10

I fell in love with in Salisbury, New Hampshire. So

1:06:12

Salisbury, New Hampshire has no police department.

1:06:15

And so now living by myself for the first time it's

1:06:17

a single female, I'm like, Okay, Well, if

1:06:19

something happens, I'll dine down nine one

1:06:21

one in the closest state. Troopero show up whenever

1:06:24

he can, and I don't know when that's going to be tomorrow

1:06:26

morning, tomorrow morning,

1:06:29

that way, tomorrow pretty much.

1:06:32

And that's when I looked into buy my first firearm.

1:06:34

And uh so in high school,

1:06:37

Um, I actually I used to wrestle again with the fighting

1:06:39

background. Um, and one of

1:06:41

my assistant coaches I knew he used to do

1:06:43

competition shooting. I reached out to him, Chris Mullin's

1:06:45

his name. He's a sweethel to be like, hey, if you were going to buy

1:06:47

a gun, what would you What would I do? Because I didn't know what

1:06:49

to do. I mean, like I said, my stepdad was just

1:06:52

not, you know, like a gun

1:06:54

person. He hunts once in a while. And so

1:06:56

I reached out to him and he was just like, hey,

1:06:59

um, you know, I have a couple of firearms.

1:07:01

So it is a glock seventeen and a bread and ninety two f

1:07:03

s. You could try him out. And then I actually

1:07:05

work at a gun shop, so if you want to buy one after,

1:07:07

I could sell you one. So I was like, great, who worked

1:07:09

at a gun shop. My friend Daniel,

1:07:13

you called my friend the trainer,

1:07:16

ye who also like to shoot? Yes?

1:07:18

Yeah, yeah, So it worked out. So it worked

1:07:20

out really great. And that's that's when I bought my first fire

1:07:23

which was a glock seventeen. Um.

1:07:26

And actually, so I had a like a

1:07:28

false start. Before that, I went into a gun shop

1:07:30

and I told him I wanted something for self defense.

1:07:32

And I'm sure there's if there's any woman listening to this podcast

1:07:34

who've tried to buy a gun for the first time, maybe they could relate.

1:07:37

UM. I said, I wanted self defense and target practice.

1:07:39

Uh. And self defense what I mean by that is

1:07:41

home defense, not concealed

1:07:44

carry, but just home defense. Um.

1:07:46

At the time, I couldn't imagine myself concealed caring.

1:07:48

And so they showed me a sig mosquito. If

1:07:51

you know what saying mosquito is, It's like

1:07:53

his name implies smallness

1:07:55

and implies

1:07:57

and it was pink, and I a bore

1:08:00

color pink, and I just felt so insulted

1:08:02

by the guy. I like a little my

1:08:06

daughter has one of these, and I love it. And I'm like,

1:08:08

oh my god, like do you what? Did

1:08:10

you not hear what I just told you? I want

1:08:12

something for home defense and har

1:08:14

your practice, and you're showing me this little three eight

1:08:17

whatever. So I got the glock seventeen

1:08:19

UM shot with that for a little while and actually

1:08:22

really started enjoying it. So I used to go to the firing

1:08:24

line by myself and just practice.

1:08:27

Um, and I thought again,

1:08:29

it was just it was different when you go to an indoor

1:08:32

public fire in line the people who go

1:08:34

there, as opposed to when I joined a club

1:08:37

I got club. It's a super different

1:08:39

minds. Did you get like hit on by guys just NonStop

1:08:41

if you went down by yourself to shoot a pistol at a gun

1:08:44

club, They're like, she's

1:08:46

here, look, she must be here looking for a man. Now.

1:08:48

Well, I think I had a serious enough attitude

1:08:50

where I kind of thwarted a lot of people.

1:08:53

Um. I sometimes I feel like I'm

1:08:55

not too Yeah, like I put

1:08:57

on my game face like I'm not there,

1:09:00

you know what I mean with a V cut shirts, so it's

1:09:02

catching all your hot brass or heels or any of that.

1:09:04

Because there's definitely women that I've seen at the firing line where

1:09:06

I'm like hot brass. Keep that

1:09:08

in mind, Crane, if we don't go with

1:09:11

don't part these

1:09:14

two scars. That's hot brass

1:09:16

from from the A R. And actually this

1:09:18

this too, that's hot brass. Yeah.

1:09:20

So when you when you shoot off of a

1:09:23

barrier, sometimes what will happen

1:09:25

is it will hit that wall. It don't come back and I'll get you.

1:09:28

And so little scars on your shoulder

1:09:30

from hot breast, yeah, oh that's yeah.

1:09:32

When there's all sorts of other stuff,

1:09:34

yeah, that it injures you. But

1:09:36

the point being is, uh no, but

1:09:39

that when you were down there at the shooting range. Initially

1:09:41

you were just like, I'm just gonna learn how to use this thing. Yeah, that was

1:09:43

it. And then you kind of got like, I want to be better and better. So because

1:09:45

I had to compete and I'm super competitive, well, I wasn't.

1:09:48

Well, I

1:09:50

guess it was eventually evolve

1:09:53

to that right right, you can see right away where

1:09:55

this is going. That wasn't my That wasn't my thought

1:09:57

though, So what had actually happened? So

1:09:59

I started aiding someone new um, and he

1:10:01

was like, hey, I have a clay

1:10:03

thrower. You want to try shooting a shotgun? And

1:10:06

I said sure, yeah whatever.

1:10:08

So we shot it, you know, throwing clays in the backyard

1:10:11

and he's like, wow, you're like way better than

1:10:13

my buddy that I took out last weekend, Like way

1:10:15

better. And I'm like really, like, I don't know,

1:10:17

you just aim it and shoot things like I

1:10:19

don't know if the problem is and

1:10:21

so about six months after that, again

1:10:23

I got more into my handgun practice, and

1:10:26

he was like, well, I've enrolled you in your first sporting clay

1:10:28

competition. And I was like what

1:10:32

and he's like, yeah, I think you could do it. I'm

1:10:34

like, okay, the

1:10:36

competitions no, no, so talent.

1:10:41

Yeah, And so he put me in that, and so

1:10:43

I stuck with sporting plays for a few years.

1:10:45

And so I would say about a year after sporting plays

1:10:47

because again I really enjoyed my handgun um.

1:10:49

And then you know, as any well, what's that world like the

1:10:51

sporting clay world in terms of like

1:10:54

the competitions and stuff. Oh it's so

1:10:56

different. Um, so I I love sporting clays

1:10:58

like it's more more genteel Oh

1:11:00

yeah, I mean, but the thing is

1:11:03

that being a younger woman going

1:11:05

into sporting plays, Oh,

1:11:07

I got all the special treatment, like you

1:11:09

know, oh, you want to use my fancy side by

1:11:11

side to go to the indoor bathroom as opposed to using

1:11:13

the power to body. Oh yeah, I go take it, Like I

1:11:15

don't even know who this person is, Like I used to happen

1:11:18

all the time, or I like I

1:11:20

would either hand carry my guns

1:11:22

or when I got more gear, I got like a little

1:11:24

buggy. They'd be like, oh no, you you could

1:11:26

put your gun in my cart and stuff, so that

1:11:31

you mean, it's like guys scamming on you or

1:11:33

guys like being like little ladies. These are the like

1:11:36

little ladies like it's these are the people

1:11:38

in your squads, like group of people that you shoot with

1:11:40

because they just want to help you out. They do the same

1:11:42

thing for junior shooters. So it's like it's more of a pity

1:11:44

play. No, it's not pitty. It's like they

1:11:48

it's gentlemanly and they want to It's

1:11:52

the equivalent of like opening the door exactly.

1:11:55

Yeah. But the other thing too is that they want to encourage

1:11:57

more women into the sport, and they would encourage youth into

1:11:59

the sport, so anyway that they could kind of sort

1:12:01

of take care of them. Did you feel it was there

1:12:04

was over encouraging. No,

1:12:06

because when it came down to shooting, I mean, yeah, we meant

1:12:09

business just because they were nice, like you

1:12:11

know now and then didn't mean that. I didn't think that they meant

1:12:13

business otherwise, And is in

1:12:15

the three Gune world, it doesn't. It's

1:12:19

very different. It's not there's no it's I

1:12:21

could picture just from the crew were

1:12:23

to day. I could picture that they

1:12:28

would be maybe better able to play

1:12:31

equality h but

1:12:33

probably don't do the chivalry.

1:12:37

Okay, So sporting place,

1:12:40

uh is a fun sport. It

1:12:42

tends to be a little bit older

1:12:44

of a demographic,

1:12:46

if you will. And I'm just generalizing, Okay,

1:12:48

so people out there listening, there's

1:12:51

not that like more in a good generalization, a

1:12:55

way to ruffle people's feathers.

1:12:57

Like generalizations are sometimes like a little

1:12:59

bit right, I get the

1:13:01

complexes, but now that's the thing. I

1:13:04

mean, it's like now they're like like lay

1:13:06

it on me, like I could picture all the ways that these

1:13:08

things are. Like it's more laid

1:13:10

back, right. And so people they have

1:13:12

it's very typical for them to have their cards and

1:13:14

they're smoking their you know, cigar leisurely.

1:13:19

Uh No, I'm talking like the three thousand

1:13:21

side by side like the razors. Oh,

1:13:23

these guys are high rollers. Yeah,

1:13:26

And I mean but you have to keep in mind with sporting plays,

1:13:28

they could have uh you know like paraz

1:13:31

Is that costs like twenty plus dollars

1:13:33

that one gun. Right, so there's big

1:13:36

money into it and they make big money. So three

1:13:38

gunners, we don't get paid anything for winning

1:13:40

competition. Sporting clay people they do. Uh

1:13:43

so yeah, because that's even like that's there's

1:13:45

you know, do do do any colleges

1:13:47

have three gun teams? Yet there's colleges that have

1:13:49

sporting play teams? Yeah? No, you're right,

1:13:52

and uh And to be honest, I don't

1:13:54

know if any, but but maybe I'd be pretty surprised.

1:13:57

Yeah. So there are colleges

1:13:59

that have action shooting teams, which

1:14:02

is generalized so they'll shoot us p s A, which

1:14:04

is action pistol shooting. So there are colleges

1:14:06

with that. Yeah, for sure. Um,

1:14:08

we're three guns. We are. I

1:14:11

don't know how to explain it. I like to think we're

1:14:13

more of a fun crowd. Uh, but yeah,

1:14:16

I mean the chivalries, they're like, if

1:14:18

you are a gentleman, you're going to be a gentleman no

1:14:20

matter what. And I think that shooting sports

1:14:22

tend to attract men who

1:14:25

who like to be chivalrous.

1:14:28

Right, But at the same time they are going to little

1:14:30

lady you, They're going to assume that

1:14:32

you know, at the end of the day, we're competitors, right,

1:14:34

So you're a guy. I'm a girl, like,

1:14:37

yeah, sure, hold the door open for

1:14:39

me, but I'm gonna try to I'm

1:14:41

going to try to beat you, you know, and they

1:14:43

recognize that. But it's also a team sport to like

1:14:46

remember when we were stage planning, we were trying

1:14:48

to we we feed off

1:14:50

of each other. So it's very supportive.

1:14:52

It's a very supportive community. How many women

1:14:55

do you encounter in this community?

1:14:57

Um? So my social media

1:15:00

handle is an h three gun Girl. I

1:15:02

am the only girl in New Hampshire that shoots three

1:15:04

gun there.

1:15:07

Now, there are some I

1:15:10

know I've been I've been told that I

1:15:12

should add the in front of it, but

1:15:14

there are some other women in New England who have

1:15:17

picked it up, which is great. Since I started shooting

1:15:19

in Florida, that's pretty common. Um, it's

1:15:21

popular in Florida. Yeah, down south definitely

1:15:26

Florida. In Texas, those are two

1:15:29

huge ones. Um, I'm going to stay

1:15:31

top of my mind in Florida, Texas. There's there's all

1:15:33

sorts of other ones, right, Um, Like we

1:15:35

just had the pro am in North

1:15:37

Carolina or South Carolina, one of the Carolinas.

1:15:40

I should know because I was signed up for that

1:15:42

match. But anyways, um we're

1:15:45

able to make it. No, no, no, no. Um,

1:15:47

so there's that, and they're they're everywhere,

1:15:50

They're everywhere. But like percentage in

1:15:52

percentage wise, oh gosh. Um.

1:15:54

I to be honest, I don't want to be held to a percentage

1:15:56

or but if I had to generalize, it's

1:15:58

going to be low. Yeah, yeah, yeah, so I

1:16:00

would say less than less than ten percent and

1:16:04

I would say so again, but it's sporting plays more.

1:16:07

Uh was sporting craze

1:16:10

greater female participant maybe

1:16:12

slightly, But

1:16:15

again I don't know what other areas of the country

1:16:17

are like. In New England, there

1:16:20

was not a lot of women in general. Um

1:16:23

it was. It was common for me to be the only female in a sporting

1:16:25

play competition. Um

1:16:27

so, and you compete against dudes though,

1:16:29

well of course yeah, because it's like

1:16:34

it does not have to support like a female division, right,

1:16:37

yeah exactly. And you

1:16:39

start with that sporting clay business for how many years?

1:16:41

A few years? Yeah, a few years. But

1:16:43

I still like to shoot the pistol. Well, so

1:16:46

I had started researching three guys I

1:16:48

think year two into

1:16:50

it, but I spent how many years ago

1:16:53

that were so how many years ago from

1:16:55

today, years ago from Jay when I was in supporting

1:16:57

play, so it would have been two thousand fifteen

1:16:59

ish. Um.

1:17:02

And so I started researching three gun

1:17:04

and it's like awesome. I started watching

1:17:06

YouTube and I'm like, holy smokes, I need to do this. But

1:17:08

there's a lot of gear involved. So it took me about

1:17:10

a year plus to save up all the gear to

1:17:13

to shoot three guns. I mean, and I always tell people, if

1:17:15

you want to shoot three gun, show up to a

1:17:17

match and people will lend you their gear. I'm not making

1:17:19

this up. You could be anywhere in the country and we

1:17:21

will take care of you, period

1:17:23

the end. Email the match director, but beforehand,

1:17:26

tell them what you have and what you need and we will put it together.

1:17:29

I'm serious. Anywhere in the country when a

1:17:31

time that a long time to assemble

1:17:34

the gear was like, you mean saving up the money to

1:17:36

buy it all. Well, that belt that you were talking

1:17:38

about earlier, you described it as a tool belt.

1:17:40

I've done some math on that. When it comes to the

1:17:42

belt system itself, and every single mag

1:17:45

pouch and the holsters without

1:17:47

AMMO is close to four right,

1:17:49

because you think every belt grow

1:17:52

thing, well, because you have all those mag

1:17:54

pouches and each one might be forty

1:17:56

dollars, right, and then your handgun

1:17:58

holsters sixty dollars. Then you need the e l S

1:18:01

attachments that go onto it. This is Safari

1:18:03

Land for those of you who are listening, you know what I'm talking about.

1:18:05

And then that costs money, and it just starts

1:18:07

just as very quickly, very quickly.

1:18:09

And it's all modular too, which is one thing you're pinning.

1:18:12

You can just swap out different sizes of holsters

1:18:14

and yeah, you

1:18:16

can get into it. So the shell caddy that

1:18:18

I use, I'm sorry, I'm going back to eleven. No,

1:18:21

I want I want to go to a nine

1:18:24

on this belt real quick. I don't want I don't want to

1:18:26

derail. I want to go to a nine on the belt. The

1:18:28

belts just like a thing in the world because it's like it's

1:18:30

hook and loop velcrow and you

1:18:32

run the fuzzy

1:18:36

there's a belt with the fuzzy part, and

1:18:38

you run the fuzzy part the underbelt

1:18:40

through your normal belt loops and then you've got like a fuzzy

1:18:43

belt on. Then the

1:18:45

belt that holds all the accouterments, uh

1:18:49

is the hook. The hook portion of

1:18:51

the hook and loop velcro that

1:18:53

goes on over I

1:18:57

feel like people in the trades

1:19:00

should have one of those, dude, for everything,

1:19:02

Right, it's so much more like I don't

1:19:04

know how Like if if I was framing houses,

1:19:07

I'd be right now going out and being like,

1:19:09

I've switched my whole belt situation. I'm getting

1:19:11

me a s fir lamb belt

1:19:12

and hammer,

1:19:15

couple nail pouches and shipped on that set

1:19:17

up. Man spending your whole day trying to

1:19:19

pull your pants up smart, that's true. Well, so

1:19:21

it's it's very similar to a

1:19:23

law enforcement felt because it's so rigid.

1:19:26

It's so rigid, and when you have that inner belt

1:19:28

system that is really tucking it close to your

1:19:30

body, and then you have what we call the outer belt, which

1:19:32

is what you're talking about that has all of our

1:19:34

attachments on it. That is such a rigid

1:19:37

system because there's so much weight.

1:19:39

I mean, when you think about it and you felt it, I

1:19:41

know you felt it. I saw I saw it like that

1:19:43

twinkle in your eye. Because when I first started

1:19:46

shooting the legion, which is a tungsten

1:19:48

infused uh SIG three

1:19:50

twenty, right, it's a heavy it's a heavy gun. Um,

1:19:54

you fill it on your hip after a while, because

1:19:56

especially with women, were just the way your hips are shaped

1:19:58

and the way that belt sits on you, it just like it starts

1:20:00

to bruise after a while. I don't know. I don't know what

1:20:03

happens, but your body just gets used to all that

1:20:05

weight. I don't know.

1:20:07

But when I first started shooting, even just having

1:20:09

a Block seventeen, which is just a light polymer gun,

1:20:11

I was like, oh man, that this hurts. And now I'm

1:20:13

like, I

1:20:16

don't even feel it. You know, when

1:20:28

did you shoot the first tournament? That was in two thousand

1:20:30

sixteen. But how do you go from like not

1:20:33

oh Steve, you don't even You

1:20:36

just find out about something, get the ship

1:20:39

and go. You don't like spend like years

1:20:41

like getting ready to compete. Let's

1:20:43

go over a quick story. So Taylor's first

1:20:45

shooting season. This is me. I'm talking to the third person.

1:20:47

Sorry, it was in two thousand seventeen,

1:20:50

my first competition, uh

1:20:53

like full season two thousand seventeen. By the end

1:20:55

of two thousand seventeen, I started

1:20:57

and have now ran for four years the biggest three gun

1:20:59

match in New England. So I

1:21:01

went from being a

1:21:04

person who just started shooting

1:21:06

three gun too, putting together

1:21:09

and running a full fledged match by

1:21:11

the end of the season. Enthusiasm.

1:21:15

Do you feel like you have? Um?

1:21:17

Do you kind of have Do you feel like you have like a mild

1:21:20

form of what's

1:21:22

the word I'm looking for? Not you're

1:21:24

like like, like, are you obsessive about stuff? Like

1:21:27

I'm not like a like a savant?

1:21:29

Or do

1:21:32

you? But do you feel that you

1:21:35

get obsessed with something and

1:21:38

then like it runs its course and

1:21:40

then you wham jump into something else. It

1:21:43

depends like if I talked to you in five years,

1:21:45

are you could be like, oh no, I'm a competitive sailor and

1:21:49

then you'll be like good a sailing and something. And some would

1:21:52

be like you used to shoot three guns to that have no idea,

1:21:54

But I'm shooting three guns competitive two years ago. I

1:21:56

mean, I don't

1:21:58

know what my cycle is going to be. You know,

1:22:01

maybe give

1:22:03

you way into something different in a couple of years.

1:22:05

I don't think so. I don't think so.

1:22:07

So. My my evolution of sports, each each

1:22:09

one minute end for his own reason. The

1:22:11

thing that I love. It's

1:22:14

not just that you drifted away. It's not that I drifted

1:22:16

away. No not, I

1:22:19

moved to New Hampshire. They had no

1:22:21

good dojos. What ended shooting?

1:22:23

Shotguns? Well that was three

1:22:25

gun. I got in a three gun because I was like, man, that's

1:22:28

not a natural end, that's just you that

1:22:30

involved. It's it's still competitive shooting.

1:22:32

You know, it's still competitive shooting. So you don't think

1:22:34

that you'll I mean in two or three years, you

1:22:36

don't think you'll be into some whole new thing. But like

1:22:39

way as in competitive shooting.

1:22:41

Absolutely, maybe I'll get into PRS or maybe

1:22:43

I'll get into something else. Three guns holds really

1:22:45

close to my heart. Um,

1:22:48

precision rifles shooting. Um.

1:22:50

I think that a lot more of this audience will probably

1:22:52

know about PRS more than three guns.

1:22:55

It's easier when someone

1:22:57

says precision rifles kind of like yeah, I

1:22:59

got it rifle. Yeah,

1:23:01

No, it's actually it's it's a ton of fun. And

1:23:04

I think that if you're a hunter, you should do a

1:23:06

PRS match just to stay start

1:23:09

sharp on your skills. Not saying that three gun isn't transferable,

1:23:11

but PRS is directly transferable

1:23:14

to hunting for sure. It's awesome. Here's here's

1:23:17

a here's a question for you, But

1:23:19

I don't know. I'm trying to think how to frame it. I

1:23:21

think it's safe to say that

1:23:26

clay shooting is

1:23:28

a like is

1:23:31

a derivative sort of of of hunting of

1:23:33

Wayne shooting. Of course, I think that they feed

1:23:35

each other, right, Like especially some people to like to

1:23:37

shoot quail, like guys that are like a way

1:23:39

into two things that are very like you

1:23:42

know, heavy shooting,

1:23:44

like a lot like a lot of opportunities.

1:23:47

Um, you go out for quail, you go out for dove

1:23:49

like those. There's a lot of crossover

1:23:52

between quail and dove hunters

1:23:55

in sporting class. But like three

1:23:58

guns very strikes me is

1:24:00

like very military, okay,

1:24:02

but you don't have any like you're not out of law enforcement.

1:24:05

You're not out of military, are you like an exception?

1:24:07

And that you didn't come from military law enforcement?

1:24:10

Not at all. Most people who do three guns

1:24:12

do not have a military

1:24:14

background. Picture if it

1:24:17

wasn't if the War on Terror, if

1:24:19

there hadn't been the War on Terror, I feel like three guns wouldn't

1:24:21

exist. But that's wow,

1:24:24

really yeah, because I feel like I

1:24:26

just feel like it's super well no, I just think

1:24:28

it's super informed. By

1:24:32

it's like very informed by

1:24:35

UM, like moving

1:24:38

through targets, Like yeah, I thought it

1:24:40

was four in the podcast. Like years ago, I was invited down

1:24:42

by the third Special Forces Group and

1:24:44

I got to go down to Fort Bragg and watch him train and

1:24:47

UM doing different activities.

1:24:49

And one day when when I was there watching them train,

1:24:52

they were training like they were training

1:24:54

transitioning from their rifle

1:24:57

to their pistol, and it was like on

1:24:59

the move going through with

1:25:01

targets, and it was all about like

1:25:04

how smoothly you can move back forth

1:25:06

back forth. And they're also doing

1:25:08

a lot of stuff of like going into houses

1:25:11

and like how to clear houses, move through houses, and

1:25:14

it's like that like a lot of the

1:25:17

like a lot of the movements and stuff seemed

1:25:19

to inform it. It's way different, but

1:25:21

I feel like it's like heavily informed

1:25:24

by it. It's not informed by it at all.

1:25:26

If anything, I believe that competition shooting

1:25:28

has been influencing military. Well

1:25:30

that's what that's what I was learning today. Different things like

1:25:32

you guys have a little gear twitch like gear

1:25:35

fixes and strategies that flowed

1:25:37

the other direction, which is surprising. Yeah,

1:25:39

but you did say though that like

1:25:42

it started basically because training,

1:25:46

oh for sure, and it but I feel

1:25:48

that it branched off very quickly. Um.

1:25:50

And that you again, military

1:25:53

we I have a lot of good friends who are

1:25:56

UM active in the military. They

1:25:58

are current law enforce, mint officers

1:26:00

of every facet right anywhere

1:26:03

from you know, swat to a beat cop.

1:26:05

They'll come out and compete. But that's the minority.

1:26:07

That might be one or two

1:26:09

or a few guys at a competition out of like people,

1:26:13

right um. And at a national level

1:26:15

competition, you know, we're going to see a lot more of

1:26:17

those guys come out. But overall,

1:26:19

because what I love is at a national

1:26:22

level competition or one of these

1:26:24

bigger three gun matches you have.

1:26:26

So the Marines they have a shooting team,

1:26:28

right, and then they have a

1:26:30

three gun team. Same thing for the Army, AMU, that

1:26:33

is the biggest shooting team in

1:26:35

all the military branches. A mu uh

1:26:37

some other one of those military branches shooting

1:26:39

team might be yelling at me right now, but it's I think it's kind

1:26:41

of known. Um. You know, they have

1:26:44

an incredible recruiting program with a mu

1:26:46

uh Dan Horner, who is one

1:26:49

of the top three gun shooters he came from a

1:26:51

mu um you know, uh

1:26:53

Max Michelle, he was army as well, so that's

1:26:55

one of the top guys. But anyways, um,

1:26:58

so there are a lot of military branches.

1:27:00

National Guard they have a huge

1:27:03

three gun shooting team. So there's a lot of military

1:27:05

branches that have these shooting teams. But

1:27:08

is it the majority? Absolutely not,

1:27:11

absolutely not. There's an internet. There's a couple of things

1:27:13

that you guys pointed out to me

1:27:15

today. Is for instance, like things

1:27:18

I had heard but hadn't really heard him articulated.

1:27:20

Well, like the tendency to stand side

1:27:23

like to like if you're shooting

1:27:25

a pistol. The tendency to turn

1:27:27

your body so that you're like parallel in

1:27:30

the line with your target comes

1:27:32

from trying to like shrink your profile

1:27:35

to a potential shooter and they're

1:27:37

like open up, like you're not, you're

1:27:39

not needing to do that. Or another thing

1:27:42

with like a military rifle

1:27:44

hold in

1:27:46

and like what you guys like, there's a term someone

1:27:48

used a close court um so

1:27:51

military plowing

1:27:53

your arm, employing

1:27:55

your arm to help as a protection to your body,

1:27:58

and that's not needed. So there's like these ways

1:28:01

in which you see like little habits people have. I

1:28:03

guess I'm watching the news or watching movies

1:28:05

and you start to like you think you know how to hold stuff,

1:28:07

and then the competitive shooters being like no, no no, no, like

1:28:11

you're doing like a cop thing that we

1:28:13

don't do, like it's it's

1:28:15

better this way, you know. Yes, And

1:28:17

and I've taken a lot of training classes before

1:28:19

where you have uh ELO

1:28:21

law enforcement officers and there

1:28:24

are things that we do that may not be safe for them,

1:28:26

like you know, facing straight onto your target.

1:28:29

We're not shooting from behind cover. There's

1:28:31

all these different things that may

1:28:34

not be safe for them, but for us, we're thinking

1:28:36

about time because a good point, there's

1:28:38

no like utilizing there's no utilizing

1:28:40

cover. There is not. So there are different games

1:28:42

for that. And at the end of the day, these are

1:28:44

these are games are great training tools, but there are games

1:28:47

h called I d p A, and so I d p A does

1:28:49

their best to be as

1:28:51

realistic as possible. I'm sorry

1:28:53

you have my like little air quotes, air

1:28:56

quotes going um and that's the training

1:28:58

people how to like a roacha

1:29:00

active shooters situation or then

1:29:03

it's just they give you this scenario. It's not even

1:29:05

about active shooters or anything like that. They give you

1:29:07

this scenario hypothetically where maybe

1:29:09

there there is one, but they you know, it's

1:29:11

part of the game. They have to shoot from behind

1:29:14

cover, that kind of thing. But again, there's

1:29:16

a lot of different disciplines within shooting sports. All

1:29:19

right, Yanni, what do you got? What

1:29:21

are your observations? Well, a couple more

1:29:23

questions about shooting in the competition

1:29:25

and you're you're shooting. So there's so few

1:29:28

women that you guys are just lumped into one

1:29:30

division. So when the

1:29:32

results come out, it's not like you're always

1:29:34

taking first place in the women's division. You're

1:29:36

just taking whatever place it is in the division.

1:29:39

Or yeah, and the one that you entered. So

1:29:42

where do you? Where do you? And the and there's

1:29:45

another galuy you mentioned earlier. Where do you guys

1:29:47

rank against thousands of men?

1:29:50

And there's what there's a handful of you hand

1:29:54

I mean, so I consider myself

1:29:56

a midpack hero, which means that I

1:29:58

typically will finish you know, upper

1:30:00

to midpack to lower to midpact,

1:30:02

depending on how good of that her day I've done,

1:30:04

right, So that

1:30:06

that's where I typically place. I'm pack

1:30:09

here and now I'm talking overall. When it comes to women,

1:30:11

there's so little women that normally you know, I'm high

1:30:14

lady overall. That's not you know, because again

1:30:16

there's there's that, there's that many of us. So I'm always

1:30:18

looking at overall standings, um,

1:30:20

in terms of where I complete

1:30:22

in that um. And what

1:30:24

was the other question? Well, you're saying that there was

1:30:27

a like you mentioned Lena, I think

1:30:31

she's awesome. You're gonna like, has she

1:30:33

ever just straight out one beat

1:30:36

beat the whole all the whole field? Um?

1:30:38

So I mean, gosh,

1:30:40

she showed a shot any locals. I mean, yeah,

1:30:43

she'd cream absolutely everyone in

1:30:45

terms of And I'm so sorry, Lena, if

1:30:47

you're listening to this, I can't remember if she's

1:30:49

one overall on national competition.

1:30:51

I think I believe she's come close. Um. So

1:30:53

recently she placed a third um

1:30:56

in a I believe it was an area match,

1:30:58

third overall, which was

1:31:01

very very respectful. That was

1:31:03

respectable, very respectable of her. No

1:31:05

prize money. No, we

1:31:08

do all of this for bragging rights.

1:31:11

Yeah, I mean, it's it's crazy.

1:31:13

You could you could get some sponsorships, um,

1:31:16

you know, you can work with some companies stuff like that, but going

1:31:19

pro was just you find a way within the industry

1:31:21

to make like to make it most most

1:31:23

anyone who is quote unquote pro um

1:31:26

is they're just working in an industry.

1:31:28

That's it one faster than the other.

1:31:32

Well you got that little brainy, uh. I

1:31:34

mean, do we want to dive into how it was

1:31:36

for us, because I mean we we went. I

1:31:38

mean was kind of the meat of it

1:31:40

all is that we went and and had

1:31:43

got trained by Taylor that which

1:31:45

took it probably take the better part of

1:31:47

two hours, right just just I'm

1:31:51

like putting my my head down

1:31:53

into my hands deeply right now. Because

1:31:56

they were like, hey, we want to learn how to sheot three and I'm

1:31:58

like, fantastic, this is more ours. This is

1:32:01

this is a two day class. Then I was under

1:32:03

the impression it was gonna be one day and I'm

1:32:05

like, wow, um, how

1:32:07

am I going to do this all in one day? And

1:32:09

then Corin calls and says, actually,

1:32:11

it's a half a day, and I'm like,

1:32:17

I at least now say like what it is. I

1:32:20

was losing my mind because

1:32:23

we rolled in there and are our

1:32:26

normal you know, operating

1:32:29

procedures to roll in there and b asked

1:32:31

with everybody. And as soon as we rolled in, Taylor

1:32:34

is like, get over here, we're going safety. I'm like, oh,

1:32:36

this is serious, okay

1:32:37

safe, And then it was like there's a rifle

1:32:40

or a pistol on our belt,

1:32:42

on our thing, and then the pistol on the belt

1:32:44

and we were on our way. No. I think you're a good teacher.

1:32:46

You don't mess around. You know, it's like a lot

1:32:48

of good information. But it's like you don't take time to

1:32:50

like, you don't you don't have like little can jokes

1:32:52

you do and ship like that. You just like get into it. Man.

1:32:54

Yeah, it was so much fun. I'd recommend it'd

1:32:57

be like great for us to get our families together

1:32:59

and go and that class. It's so cool

1:33:02

when kids get into three guns. I

1:33:04

think I think your wife would like it. She'd

1:33:06

like it. Jimmy is already asking about it. He was like,

1:33:09

so he's

1:33:11

gonna get away, He's gonna he'd come away from

1:33:13

there with some many like bad ideas,

1:33:18

so empty. When he went from knowing about single

1:33:20

shot shotguns the pumps, it

1:33:23

was just like a whole new thing.

1:33:26

That world would be would

1:33:28

just be too much from it would be it would be

1:33:30

way too much for him. But so

1:33:33

interesting because I I did not know

1:33:35

what to expect with y'all in terms of skill level.

1:33:38

And so obviously

1:33:40

you're good hunters, right, And but

1:33:42

just because someone is a good hunter doesn't

1:33:44

mean that they're necessarily proficient with their firearms.

1:33:46

And you all would know this from firsthand, for from

1:33:49

meeting some people that you might have hunted

1:33:51

with who may not have the let's

1:33:53

say, best marksmanship. Does

1:33:55

that make sense yea, just like the whole Yeah,

1:33:59

hunters in general and in

1:34:02

general this is not to everyone. Um,

1:34:04

they like the point guns

1:34:06

at each other, right, So their concept of safety

1:34:09

it is very very different. In competition

1:34:12

shooting safety is at

1:34:14

the forefront of our minds at all times, and we

1:34:16

have so many different rules to make sure we're being

1:34:18

as safe as possible. Where in the

1:34:20

hunting world there's just very different perspective

1:34:23

when it comes to again safety

1:34:25

and gun manipulation and efficiency

1:34:27

of movement, all these things. So

1:34:30

I don't know what to expect with y'all, unless

1:34:32

I want to back Taylor up, because right now you're

1:34:34

at home and you're like, that's bullshit, you

1:34:37

know, I don't see that kind of stuff going

1:34:39

down. It's like I can tell you as a guide

1:34:42

weekly. If not daily, someone

1:34:45

would be giving you the old um

1:34:47

tunnel vision as we called it, and

1:34:49

it would get to the point where you'd be like, dude, one more

1:34:51

time and I'm done. You can

1:34:53

got someone else can hunt with you. You can hunt by

1:34:55

yourself, but like, I don't want to

1:34:57

look down your rifle barrel again, do you

1:34:59

unders damny? So yeah, you're you're

1:35:01

spot on. Like there's a lot, there's plenty

1:35:04

of that that goes down. It is. Yeah, we

1:35:06

kept laughing about they make you go wait the truck if

1:35:08

you make a mistake, oh, if you get d qte

1:35:12

yeah. But but what's funny

1:35:15

there is there

1:35:17

is an inside joke with

1:35:20

you know, especially action shooters,

1:35:22

that if you get d cute, you have

1:35:25

to go to d Q and eat your ice

1:35:27

cream so you don't

1:35:29

have to bring it back for everybody else. That's what you're

1:35:31

the one who got d Q. You have to eat

1:35:33

your ice cream ice cream for

1:35:35

everybody else. No, that's not how Yeah,

1:35:38

so because the ice cream is not it's like

1:35:40

a bitter sweet, right. And what's

1:35:43

funny is that if we're stage planning,

1:35:45

they'll they'll be a moment where it's like I'm

1:35:48

not going to eat my ice cream. On this stage, it's

1:35:50

just like we instantly know what the other person

1:35:52

is talking about. You don't want to go to dairy queen, you don't want

1:35:54

to get d cute. Well, yeah, no,

1:35:56

I mean even the difference I got

1:35:59

called I got, I would of d Q just

1:36:02

holstering my pistol at the very

1:36:04

end of my round. I think I had done everything

1:36:06

right round

1:36:10

and when she asked me, um, when

1:36:12

you're done, they Taylor asked you.

1:36:15

She was acting as the range officer,

1:36:18

and she asked you to clear the gun and

1:36:20

show that your hammers down, So you open the action

1:36:23

and then you close the action, and then you'll pull

1:36:25

the trigger to show that it's completely empty, right,

1:36:28

and then you holster. He right. Well,

1:36:30

just the way that my hips were facing, the angle

1:36:32

that I was angled off of that degree

1:36:35

line that you can't pass, and then I went to

1:36:37

holster and just that action was

1:36:40

enough to basically get my gun pointed

1:36:42

back behind me holstering it,

1:36:44

you know, and I was pointing it down at the ground, but just

1:36:46

that was enough to get it pointed. YEA.

1:36:49

I wish I would have happened on the second round,

1:36:51

because that would have meant I won. Oh

1:36:55

I guess if I d Q then yeah, if

1:36:59

they would have called a d Q, I would have been

1:37:01

like the victor. You would be the victor. Yeah,

1:37:05

that's a terrible way to win though, but you

1:37:07

would have counted. It would have counted because I meant that the other

1:37:10

person. Um, I

1:37:14

feel like like you could almost the first

1:37:16

time you do it, Like the second time, you're gonna cut

1:37:18

your time in half. I feel

1:37:20

like the third time you're probably gonna cut it by a third.

1:37:23

Then it's probably then yeah,

1:37:26

it's gonna start plateauing. So with you guys, who is

1:37:28

amazing watching you again?

1:37:30

You know, we went from the very beginning of the day working

1:37:32

on pistol, and so I typically

1:37:34

like to start with pistol because

1:37:36

that gives you a really good calibration of

1:37:39

how someone's overall firearm skills are, because

1:37:41

that tends to be one of the hardest platforms to learn

1:37:43

because there's so much more like with

1:37:45

the grip in the stance and how

1:37:47

you're looking down the site a rifle. I'm

1:37:50

not saying that there was a difficulty to it, but you pretty much

1:37:52

you hold it up and you look down the scope and you pull the trigger and you're

1:37:54

going to go with the pistol. There's there's so much

1:37:56

going into it. So uh

1:37:59

so you got named teacup because you were doing

1:38:01

that. The teacup and saucer h

1:38:04

grip right, which is sort of like

1:38:06

old school FBI movie Charlie's Angels

1:38:09

type stuff, which is not something

1:38:11

you don't think that there's I wanted we ran out

1:38:13

of time because I wanted to explore this. I do think that

1:38:15

there's like some revolver there's

1:38:18

like some holdover from

1:38:20

when people shot revolvers that

1:38:23

your hand position, like the hand position

1:38:25

you people are using is

1:38:27

an appropriate to a revolver. So

1:38:29

maybe some people that's the case. I think most of it they're

1:38:32

they're watching TV and they're seeing

1:38:34

cop grips, they're seeing Charlie's Angels, are

1:38:36

seeing all these movies, like cop movies

1:38:39

like Stevens all these guys where they're just like,

1:38:41

you know, grabbing it for the bottom and it's like, what

1:38:43

are you doing? This makes no sense? Should explain.

1:38:45

So the teacup is like, if you're holding that

1:38:48

pistol in one hand, if

1:38:52

you're a right hander then your left hand.

1:38:54

Yeah, it's like a little little teacup

1:38:57

or a saucer underneath it from the

1:38:59

from the bottom, you sort of supporting it from the

1:39:01

bottom, where in reality you

1:39:03

almost make like a like two fists together

1:39:05

with the golf gripping a golf cloth. There

1:39:08

you go. I heard that analgy earlier today.

1:39:10

So, uh, seeing you guys go

1:39:12

from from that all the way to

1:39:15

actually transitioning

1:39:17

between targets targets, so shooting one target and

1:39:19

shooting the other one while on the move, while you

1:39:22

know, walking with with the handgun doing

1:39:24

the same thing with the rifle, so

1:39:26

up close. Shooting up close with a rifle

1:39:29

is very different from precision shooting

1:39:31

with a rifle. Um and with

1:39:33

the cadence because as hunters, y'all

1:39:35

are making you know, one super

1:39:37

meaningful shot from a distance, where

1:39:40

with this, I mean we're doing at least two

1:39:42

at a time and you're you're just getting

1:39:44

getting after it. You know, Uh, things

1:39:46

things get little spicy, and so when you're running

1:39:48

with that gun, it changes things for

1:39:51

sure. It really took me a

1:39:53

while to be like, you don't

1:39:55

have to aim as much as you're

1:39:58

trying to know. It's like it's the like

1:40:00

brown is down all the all

1:40:03

the targets happened to be brown that we shot today.

1:40:05

That we're paper. But that's a famous deer hunting

1:40:07

line. Yeah, I know that one. As

1:40:09

soon as you're on paper, you can

1:40:11

just squeeze twice. And like you said, there are

1:40:14

different rings. But we weren't playing by

1:40:16

those rules today. You just said, hey, we just want two hits

1:40:18

on paper. So I didn't really tell myself that's

1:40:22

that's why I was going to come out with my own tournament

1:40:26

and shrink those targets way down so

1:40:29

we could do that. So today we shot

1:40:31

what was called time plus, which is how

1:40:33

much time did it take for you to run to the

1:40:35

stage plus penalties. Right,

1:40:37

so time plus scoring. Um, if we

1:40:40

did something along the lines of USPS

1:40:42

a multa gun um like comstock,

1:40:45

then there would be a points system depending

1:40:47

upon the accuracy.

1:40:50

Right, So so we we could we could dig into

1:40:52

this crazy stuff um comstock.

1:40:55

Uh, scoring with three guns

1:40:57

is not normal, but

1:40:59

it certainly happens, right

1:41:01

and it is perhaps so I

1:41:03

could specialize into that. Right, So

1:41:06

if that meant a lot to me, I would recommend for you to start

1:41:08

shooting usps A matches because

1:41:10

that really will emphasize more more,

1:41:12

more accuracy. Yeah for sure. Um,

1:41:15

but again, you know, it was so cool watching you guys

1:41:18

uh progress. And then when

1:41:20

we ended on the shotgun would showing

1:41:22

the quad load because I'm like, I save that kind of for last,

1:41:24

because you know how to shoot a shotgun right for

1:41:27

the most part. If if you've shot a shotgun

1:41:29

before, you could go into a three gun competition and kind of

1:41:31

figure your way out. It's just the reloading part. And

1:41:33

then again startling around to those quad loads

1:41:36

you with your eyes light up like saucers is

1:41:38

so cool. There's another cool modification

1:41:41

to that shotgun is that the gosh

1:41:44

I don't know what you call that little part, but basically just

1:41:46

when you're looking down into the tube and you can

1:41:48

just see the brass end if you have a shell

1:41:51

loaded in there, right and if the guns

1:41:53

upside down, the lip that

1:41:56

normally would just be perfectly around it

1:41:58

is sort of shaved and ramped so

1:42:01

that as you're sliding those two in

1:42:03

there, your thumb doesn't catch and

1:42:05

you don't have to push it quite as far in there for

1:42:08

it to catch. That's a nice

1:42:10

modification. Yes, So he's talking

1:42:12

about is the receiver. The actual

1:42:14

receiver at the bottom of the shotgun, where the lifter is, where

1:42:17

the shells going is opened up. So we

1:42:19

called those milled receivers. So some

1:42:21

people go into the CNC machine, they'll actually

1:42:23

mill those outlets, have a program for it. And

1:42:26

what I did with my first shotgun is I took

1:42:28

a dreambal tool and I went to town and

1:42:30

you'll find that motion. Oh hell yeah.

1:42:32

Most competitive shooters, we are. And

1:42:35

it's funny because I've ran into other people across

1:42:37

country who they teach classes,

1:42:39

but they're not in the competitive world, and so

1:42:41

I'm shielded. I started. You just heard my story. I

1:42:43

started competitive shooting six months after the first

1:42:45

time I bought a gun. So I've almost exclusively

1:42:48

lived in the competitive shooting world.

1:42:50

I'm not exposed to the recreational shooter,

1:42:53

uh per se, and so I'm

1:42:55

not made privy to those weird

1:42:58

um ideas that they have. And

1:43:00

one of those ideas is that you can't modify your firearm

1:43:03

and have it still be safe. We're in competitive

1:43:05

shooting. We will take a Drumbell

1:43:08

tool to our gun at blink

1:43:10

of an eye. I mean we we will

1:43:12

get right in there and open everything

1:43:14

up and make it way better. Oh yeah,

1:43:17

without having that like well it's

1:43:19

grandpa's old. Well we're not

1:43:21

gonna do that to Grandpa's because Grandpa's got is not sophisticated

1:43:24

enough for our purposes. We

1:43:26

totally the total length that

1:43:28

we actually ran, yes, which

1:43:30

I'll I will say that I don't think I

1:43:32

ever actually hit run For me

1:43:34

personally, I might have gotten to like

1:43:37

a you have a very long day

1:43:39

shuffle, so you you would do

1:43:41

like this this long saunter over.

1:43:44

Yeah, I feel like it would almost slow me down

1:43:46

if I got up to top speed. It would take me so

1:43:48

much again come to a stop or slow

1:43:50