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host of Fox Nations Tucker Carlson

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Today and Tucker Carlson

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Originals, which got Crian

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wondering, Um,

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since Tonight is encapsulated in Today,

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what's the different scene in two shows? You

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know, I haven't need to I haven't looked at my contract, and

1:01

no other is. There is a distinction,

1:03

but it's a lot of talking in both.

1:06

Hit me with a bunch of superlatives you have, like

1:08

you're the you're the most watched

1:12

cable news commentator,

1:15

cable news newscaster, having

1:17

been this is my year doing this,

1:20

and having been the least watched cable news

1:22

commentator. I see everything

1:24

is kind of the Buddhist wheel of life,

1:26

So I'm on one end of it at the moment, doubtless

1:29

will be on the other end. You know you have it

1:31

on the other end. You

1:33

know you would know this because I can't say that we met

1:35

but you um

1:38

uh I was in your presence

1:40

one time because years ago uh

1:44

t r c P. Yes, theater

1:46

rules about conservation partnership. They do this Capitol

1:48

Awards dinner where they give the

1:51

usually honor, they honor someone from

1:53

each side of the aisle. Yes, so

1:55

the honor Republican and a Democrat, and then usually

1:57

someone from the House, usually from someone from the Senate,

2:00

sometimes too governors. And you gave

2:02

some opening remarks. You

2:06

might have noticed a young man in the audience.

2:09

So I like them, and I like try

2:11

to unlimited there. I mean, I lived in Washington

2:13

for a long time and I dealt with a lot.

2:16

Obviously I care about conservation and

2:18

the land and all that, and I

2:20

but I only trust the groups with sportsman

2:22

in um. I mean, if you can't

2:24

tell a deciduous from a conifer, if you can't like identify

2:28

fish species, like you're you're faking it. And

2:30

those guys are for real and they fish

2:33

and they shoot in and I like that. You

2:35

have a conversation. There are a lot of there are

2:37

a lot of fake groups out there. Whoa uh

2:41

you know, I I've always only been focused

2:43

on the sportsman ones. They're the best

2:46

because they were talking the same language,

2:48

because they're rooted in physical reality,

2:50

you know, saving the environment. Okay, what environment?

2:53

And how are you saving it? And how is it improving?

2:56

You know, so if you can go to it, I mean, that's it.

2:58

It's not it's a non ideal logical

3:00

measure, but like, tell me what you're doing

3:02

with the money. And and

3:04

that's one of the reasons I like to you. It's like, well,

3:06

okay, there's a stream near my house that they improved.

3:09

How did they improve it? They you know, they put

3:11

more cover. Do you know? They put some pools

3:13

in. Like that's a good thing. The fish like it. I

3:15

like it, you know, I'm happy to give

3:18

money to them. Um anyway, So but the

3:20

other day we did a tu who

3:23

was more involved than that. It was us,

3:25

our company, trot

3:29

I think Trotten Limited did it right, the

3:31

river clean up the Gallatin County

3:33

chapter. Yeah, there's

3:35

two companies that are base here, SIMS, like

3:37

we're based here. SIMS is based here. The Waiter company.

3:40

But then tu put on a basically

3:42

just cleaning trash out of the lower.

3:45

If you're taking tires out of the stream, I'm on

3:47

your side. You know, I've mentioned

3:49

a bunch of times. But do you remember the

3:51

humorist m Patrick McManus,

3:53

he's the right like humor fishing pieces. Yes, I

3:55

do. He had a piece where

3:58

he explained that the difference between

4:00

a creek and a creek is that a creek has a tire

4:02

in it. Truck

4:05

tires all the time. Uh.

4:09

So audio books sales update um

4:13

Man with our camp Fire Metiators

4:15

camp Fire Stories, Close Calls came

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out on Tuesday. By Tuesday

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night, it was number one on Apple

4:23

for audiobooks. It

4:26

was bounced between two and four on Audible,

4:29

number two and number four. We're

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like neck and neck with all uh, alright,

4:35

alright, Matthew Connaughey's book and

4:37

neck and Neck with one of the political tell alls

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that's out right now. So that books kicking ask and I'll

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tell you that's all too. Uh.

4:44

That's all you listeners that did that for us, um,

4:47

because we have there

4:50

was no it's an audio original, so there's

4:52

no like physical book, right, Um,

4:56

there's no h it's just you guys did

4:58

that. Thanks for the support, because it

5:00

wasn't from there's no like media channel

5:02

that was supporting us. We just like made

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it, did it, and

5:07

it launched up and became the number one book

5:09

on Apple for audio that day out

5:11

of the gate. So thanks to everyone listening man,

5:15

heartfelt appreciation. And then also, you

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guys really made my di because we had ore. We finally had

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the our Wilderness Skills

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um and Survival book made the New

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York Times bestseller list thanks to you guys. There's

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no other way to there's no other way to account

5:28

for it, which I actually read. Yeah,

5:31

it's great, It was great, So appreciate

5:33

the help everybody out there. Uh here's

5:37

I added this one cran, you know, I added a

5:39

note New

5:41

Jersey will now have no bear season at

5:45

all. Um,

5:47

it was that you weren't gonna be able to do it one on like state

5:49

Land. Now you can't do it at all.

5:52

And like they have a they have a management plan, but

5:54

everyody's gotta sign off on the management plan, so

5:57

they just are acting like they just haven't read the management

5:59

plan. So now like past a certain

6:01

deadline, no one actually said there can't be a bear season,

6:04

but the opponents of the bear season

6:06

just stalled furthering

6:08

the management plan and like, haven't

6:10

read it the deadline hit. Now

6:13

that the deadline hit, it's too late in

6:15

the year. Huh.

6:18

If you live in New Jersey, gotta get a brand new governor.

6:22

Phil Murphy campaigned is like ending the bear

6:24

That was like a campaign promise to end bear hunting?

6:27

Is there a population conservation

6:30

argument to be made for the decision? New

6:33

Jersey has the highest density of black bears

6:35

in the They ate a kid from Regers

6:38

a few years ago. Bears.

6:40

It takes a lot for a black bear to eat someone. There

6:42

have to be a lot. What they would do, what they would

6:44

do that was stupid in my view, is

6:47

when you hunt bears in New Jersey and you get a bear,

6:49

you have to go to the check station. Okay,

6:51

but they just have check stations out in public, like in

6:53

a parking lot off the side of the road, and

6:56

they publicize it here.

6:58

When you get a bear, you very you go and

7:00

you take it to what would make sense. You go to the Fishing

7:02

Game office and you meet with a biologist

7:05

and you go to a place a secure location

7:07

whatever. Not secure, but it's not. It's like

7:09

they don't like call the press to tell him you're coming down with the

7:11

bear. They pull a tooth to get the biometric

7:14

data, and you register the bear here

7:16

they have like they were like on Saturday

7:18

at noon, we'll be registering bears at this

7:20

public pull out and so everybody shows

7:22

up there and has like a connection. They do that what they

7:25

did that with white tails too. I remember shooting deer in

7:27

New Jersey and taking it down to the local Delhi

7:30

and you show a guy and you hand you a sight. He's tag

7:32

over the ham.

7:36

It's just it wouldn't be a site

7:38

he's tag. Yeah. They would give you a red

7:40

like tag that you would then clip on

7:43

the deer after you checked it in. That's what they do

7:45

in main. No sids is the

7:47

international What the hell side he's call's that's

7:49

right, not side, But it's like that same

7:52

same sort of tag, like the metal tag E

7:54

clip on. Uh. Murphy's

7:56

one of those dudes that also as well. He's

7:58

one of those dudes that during his state's

8:00

lockdown, he had the really thing where someone

8:02

made a very embarrassing video where he's out

8:04

at a restaurant with everybody

8:06

and then this woman comes off to him who's making the video,

8:09

and she goes, Murphy, you're such a dick. I

8:14

thought she was a bear hunter, but she was just pissed about

8:16

the I think it's important

8:18

to point out, though, that that the governor

8:20

doesn't care about bears. He's

8:22

not doing this on behalf of bears. He's doing it

8:25

on behalf of the segment of the population

8:27

that cares about bears, and he wants that vote.

8:30

This person not out saving bears. Another states

8:33

one of the like statistically crazy

8:35

things, UH that that you're

8:38

kind of glossed over is the

8:41

student. The record student that was eaten

8:44

was in a group of hikers.

8:47

So you know, an individual

8:49

is one thing. A group being

8:52

accosted by a bear and an individual being

8:54

taken out of that group puts it into a

8:57

wholly another statistical category.

9:00

Black bear. Has that ever happened before? I've never

9:02

heard it, not to my knowledge. It's probably some crazy bear.

9:04

Yeah, yeah, I mean it is a

9:07

wild deal with that that bear consumed

9:10

part of that student and because

9:13

of that, he was protecting his cash.

9:16

And the UH has

9:18

a DNR and in New Jersey,

9:22

I can't think of what it is I say, um,

9:24

the State Fish and Wildlife agency that

9:27

always covers you. Right, you look like you know what you're

9:29

talking about. Yeh uh

9:32

oh. We got a quick book report, so

9:34

we have a bunch of times talked, but we're trying to explain,

9:37

like, what's up with um?

9:40

This became of interest, what's up with us? What

9:42

what we used to call silencers but

9:44

have been rebranded as suppressors. And I

9:47

was explaining how when I first got a suppressor,

9:50

I turned in my paperwork and it took fourteen

9:53

months, and then I thought

9:55

something had changed. I said, I don't

9:57

know what changed, but it felt like something changed.

10:00

And then someone starts talking about I'm holding in my hand

10:02

what's called

10:05

Yeah, this is some listen. I'm

10:07

all for it, but this is some BS. Yeah,

10:10

I love it, but it's b It's like, well,

10:12

I'm holding my hand a suppressor that doesn't have the whole

10:14

drilled in it, right, which prompted

10:16

to me that there was a remember a garage band

10:19

And when I was a kid in Michigan, there

10:21

was a garage band that sold records and no hole in

10:23

it and the record was called Drill your Own

10:26

Hole. It's like the album

10:28

it was marked, but you have to drill your

10:30

own hole. So this is a drill your own

10:32

hole and similarly take

10:34

it over because Garret's gonna explain this whole world does Yeah,

10:37

I was gonna say, if

10:39

you drilled your own hole in the wrong spot, it'd

10:41

probably wrecked the album and you'd probably have

10:43

a like an adverse effect on your suppressor

10:45

there if you just drilled it off to

10:48

the side.

10:50

Yeah, so that that company, Actually

10:53

this is yours, that's mine. Yeah, so it doesn't

10:55

have a hole in the end of it. When they send you your

10:57

solvent trap, uh, they send you a drill

10:59

bit and a guide for your drill

11:01

bit just in case, just in

11:03

case he might, you know, want to turn into a suppressor.

11:07

Walk us through the walk us through all the legs. Yeah.

11:09

So the legal like like you laid out with the regular

11:11

suppressor side. You know, it's a pretty

11:13

long but straightforward process where

11:15

you have to file for to

11:17

get your own suppressor. Right, this is solvent

11:20

traps are just another form of a homemade

11:23

suppressor. So people have been doing it, like with oil

11:25

filters, right, they buy an oil filter, plug

11:28

a hole in the end of it, and it's a suppressor. Because

11:30

really a suppressor is just like a like a muffler

11:32

on a car. Like that's maximum

11:36

suppressors. They are pretty well, they were

11:38

the first ones. Like Theodore Roosevelt ran

11:40

a suppressor on his gun right

11:42

there, right, Yeah, did you just learn that in

11:44

your little research session or did you already know that?

11:46

Oh Man NiFi was on the spot. Yeah

11:49

he was, he was all about it. But yeah,

11:52

so Cheddy Roosevelt rano suppressor lever

11:55

action. Yeah, what was the chamber?

11:59

Yeah, so yeah, I did suppressor

12:02

on a lever gun. Well, I think they

12:05

had to have just like welded it on

12:07

there. There's no other way to do it. Yeah,

12:09

so no, he did on several guns.

12:12

But the biggest thing is so homemade

12:14

suppressors have been around for a while. And so what the a t

12:16

F did is they established

12:18

this like it's a form one. So it's

12:21

an e form that you can fill out that says, hey,

12:23

I want to build a suppressor um and

12:25

you have to get permission to build one. That's why

12:27

there's not a whole drilled in the end of that one is I haven't

12:29

got permission yet. And also

12:32

you don't drill the whole till they say,

12:34

you can drill the hole exactly. So the

12:37

thing that's attractive about this that makes a

12:39

hell of a lot more sense. Now, what's attractive

12:42

about this is like your experience with fourteen

12:44

months, which is a little different now, like it's more like seven

12:46

to eight months. Yeah, well, Silence

12:48

are Central, they're doing them in twelve weeks.

12:51

Eight twelve weeks or no, I don't

12:53

think so. I feel like somebody kind of maybe

12:56

misspoke when they said that, but it's

12:58

still like seven to eight months. The nice thing

13:00

about Silence are Central, it's different is like you

13:03

saw it, you can go up, you

13:05

know, buy your suppressor, fill out a form, and then

13:07

they take it from there and you don't have to do anything, Like you don't have to

13:09

worry about how to fill out all the other

13:11

paperwork. They just auto populated all

13:13

and then they send it because they have a FFL

13:16

in every state, they just send it directly to

13:18

your house. Like there's no checkout process right

13:20

like when it's approved, it goes right to your house and they

13:22

do the fingerprinting. So like I noticed that they're at the Sturgist

13:24

Bike Rally. At the Sturgist Bike Rally, they

13:26

can fingerprint you. Yeah, which normally dudes.

13:28

I think that dudes that sturges aren't looking to get

13:30

fingerprinted. Yeah,

13:32

I mean, certainly not having sentence, but

13:35

many have been before.

13:38

This is the second time I got fingered. Just

13:41

go down to the county jail. They have them for me. Uh

13:44

yeah, they should be on file broum.

13:48

But the attractive thing with homemade

13:50

suppressors or buying a solvent trap is

13:53

you can realize explain what a solvent trap

13:55

is, all right, yeah, because nobody can

13:57

see it that was being passed around. A solvent trap

14:00

is for

14:02

for all intensive purposes. It's a suppressor

14:05

that doesn't have the handhole drilled

14:08

in. Yeah, why would one. When

14:10

you're cleaning your gun, right, you can push patches

14:13

through your gun and it catches the solvent in the

14:15

patches, so it doesn't. So

14:20

I mean, you know, I've actually pushed

14:22

solvent into that solvent trap just because

14:25

that's why I bought it. Do you think that? Yeah? But here, let

14:27

me ask you this. Do you think that anyone out there on the

14:29

planet has um

14:32

use the solvent trap? Just a trap?

14:34

Solvent? Originally? Yes,

14:36

like it was a thing. They looked a lot

14:38

different than this right, it was. It

14:40

was not a undrilled suppressor

14:43

when it originally came out. Use

14:50

that for a suppressor to but a

14:53

Charman permit. So these solvent

14:55

traps where they're attractive is like they're pretty

14:57

much a suppressor without a whole

14:59

drilled in the end of it and you

15:01

can extrapulate from there. But what did

15:03

that one cost you? So that was seven

15:05

bucks? So they charge in the

15:08

suppressor fees. Yeah, if you go to

15:10

the same site, it's also seven

15:12

hundred bucks for a suppressor,

15:15

right, so there's the same cost. You'll notice my

15:17

name and there's some other numbers are engraved

15:19

on that and uh, put

15:22

your glasses on. But the reason

15:24

for it is if you buy a solvent

15:26

trap, a lot of companies just you

15:28

know, thinking maybe you want people to be able to find

15:31

it in case you lose it, um ask

15:33

if you want certain things engraved on the

15:35

side of it. And the reasoning

15:37

for that is when you turn a solvent trap

15:39

into a suppressor, when you're

15:42

filming filling out your e form,

15:44

your form one, they

15:46

require you to state your name,

15:49

where it's manufactured, the

15:51

serial number, and I think

15:53

like the caliber, and they

15:55

said it has to be printed on your

15:58

suppressor that you're making. So lot

16:00

of these companies, when they send you a solvent trap,

16:02

they'll just ask you what you're putting on your form

16:04

one, just in case you decided to

16:06

turn, just in case you want to drill a hole. Um.

16:09

Now, the attractive thing about it is if you're

16:11

willing to go through like those steps. Um,

16:14

A lot of times you're approved in sixty

16:16

days, sometimes less, sometimes more like

16:18

six weeks. You can have that now

16:21

I screwed my then

16:23

just as legal. The main difference is that

16:25

it's electronics. So the reasoning that a regular

16:28

suppressor takes so long is you send

16:30

in all this paperwork to the A T. F. Right,

16:33

and then they have to file it, and then they're checking

16:35

on you and they're checking on the manufacturer.

16:38

What's frustrating about is after all

16:40

that time, when you send in your paperwork,

16:43

the system that they check is the same system

16:45

that when you go to go get a firearm.

16:48

Right. So like a lot of knicks, right,

16:51

yeah, the Knick system. Right. So like a

16:54

lot of countries when

16:56

they sell you fire up. Not a lot, but there's a lot

16:58

of European countries when they send

17:01

sell you a firearm, like you can buy it with a suppressor

17:03

on it, because they're like, well, if we checked you

17:05

out for a firearm and you don't have a you know, felonies

17:07

or anything like that, why couldn't you have a suppressor.

17:11

And so that's why I like the

17:13

the whole solvent trap thing is pretty

17:15

cool if you're willing to go through

17:18

those steps right and and fill out an

17:20

e form because yeah, six weeks

17:22

usually you can have a suppressor. So are you

17:24

waiting on um? Yeah, John

17:26

Law until you can drill your hole. Yeah, I screwed up the

17:29

first process they send you. They basically send

17:31

you a confirmation email that says,

17:33

hey, sign this and send in your fingerprints.

17:36

Um. And I didn't see that. And then you have thirty

17:38

days to print it off and send

17:40

it back. And I did it at thirty five. And

17:43

then I called him and pleaded with them, and they're like, no start

17:45

over. But yeah,

17:47

other than that, it would have been drilled by Now tell everybody

17:50

about how you we're honored

17:52

with Employee of the Month. You're a meta. I

17:54

was. Yeah. It's also the first time on the podcast

17:57

Garrett Long Second Ladies and gent Garrett

17:59

Long. Yeah, I was

18:01

at the feel doesn't know what you do?

18:04

Yeah, just for the

18:06

audience, I guess. I guess my

18:08

job is to make sure that people listen to the podcast.

18:11

Um, so I'm the marketing director here. But yeah,

18:14

I was on it when I was at Cheap Foundation.

18:17

Oh yeah, yeah, you wouldn't remember.

18:19

But you didn't work for us then, No, I didn't

18:21

work for you. Um, but that

18:23

was pretty cool. We were kind of upset actually because we

18:26

tried to find like this specific brand of

18:28

wild cheap whiskey to bring

18:30

in and then we asked you after the podcast

18:32

if you want to have a drink, and you're like, oh, I don't drink anymore.

18:35

And then it was like a couple of months later,

18:38

you were drinking like a beer in one of the episodes.

18:40

We're like, oh, man, wrong brand

18:42

of whiskey. Well, no, it's just I've I bounced

18:45

around on drinking and drinking, like I like,

18:48

I drank last night, but I still don't drink right

18:51

right? Do you know what I'm saying? I do

18:53

feel like though, Yeah, you

18:56

were there for it was awkward last night. Yeah, what

18:58

did I say to the waitress? Yeah, for

19:00

half a shot of vodka in your

19:02

body. She

19:05

was very she didn't really know. Well,

19:08

no, here's the problem. I didn't know they're normal.

19:10

Pore is a two ounce poor. So I said I want

19:12

half the amount, and so she goes so an ounce.

19:14

I'm like, no, half the amount she goes was normally too.

19:17

I'm like, well, I want a quarter a

19:20

quarter of the normal amount, and Brody would like my

19:24

give my left over to Brody.

19:28

She's very accommodating. She

19:31

also looked very confused. I

19:34

do think we need to go back, though, Steve. This

19:36

employee of the month thing, yeah, we kind

19:38

of glossed over that. I was very honored you

19:41

want to spend I feel like you

19:43

kind of mentioned it. And I don't know if the listeners are like

19:45

I grasped that I got employed in a month. He

19:48

got it, and and he does Everything he does

19:50

is great. But it was kind of like it was sort of a looking

19:52

back on the pandemic, Garrett,

19:54

when everything got shut down, the governor closed,

19:57

you know what I mean, close the whole state.

19:59

You weren't supposed to go anywhere. Garrett

20:01

fearlessly just drove all over in his truck.

20:03

He he became like ups

20:06

meal Delivery Quarantine

20:08

Services if you had a

20:10

direct exposure and had to hold up, Garrett

20:12

would come bringing your stuff. You look

20:14

out your window and see him leaving stuff on your doorstep

20:17

selflessly. Wow.

20:19

Yeah, I actually didn't think you're gonna go into it that much,

20:21

but I appreciate it. Well. Listen, you

20:23

know, if there's a thing I like about people, um,

20:25

I like the people who will only

20:27

people who will shovel ship and

20:30

not complain about it. And you were

20:32

ship shoveling. Yeah, during

20:34

the pandemic. He also woke

20:36

up at the butt crack the other day to take Samantha

20:39

Nyce shooting. So whenever

20:43

you're on this podcast, no, no

20:47

Spencer's experience, he

20:50

usually hates the exact opposite. Definitely not Phil's

20:53

experience. We'll get you next time. Next time we'll say

20:55

some bad stuff about you. Oh cran, can

20:57

you do the quick thing about the town? Oh

21:00

okay, Yeah. So a couple of episodes

21:02

ago, we talked about dear

21:05

vehicle collision study

21:09

where wolves and wolves

21:11

saving lives possibly

21:13

was kind of all part of that.

21:18

Yeah, we weren't. We weren't quite sure about

21:20

that, but in any case, there were a number of The

21:22

study was done in Wisconsin, and

21:25

uh, I really butchered

21:27

the pronunciation of one county

21:29

in Wisconsin. The correct pronunciation

21:32

is Waka Shaw. Dozens

21:35

of people wrote in to correct

21:38

me on that, so we issued a correction

21:41

a current NFL play, Yeah, yeah, yeah,

21:43

yeah, what did what did you call it? Waukesha?

21:46

Yeah, and someone

21:49

who lives in Wisconsin with family and Wauka

21:51

Shaw wrote that he was just

21:53

absolutely stunned that the one thing

21:56

that we had missed in our correction was

21:58

that Waukashaw is where the

22:01

film Grumpy Old Men has had no

22:03

idea. No, I don't think any. I mean, I

22:05

didn't know that until when we talked about that

22:07

film a lot. Yeah, which brought up you need to

22:09

go go to Instagram, go to my instagram

22:12

probably cals to what's your scale?

22:14

Cols is like old cal four or six.

22:18

Mine's very tricky. It's at Stephen

22:20

Ronella. Go there and you'll

22:22

see. On April one, we had

22:24

a we didn't what the French would calling homage.

22:27

It's brilliant to grumpy old men called grumpy

22:30

middle aged men. One of the most

22:33

ruthless fight scenes you'll ever see

22:35

wasn't It wasn't a Wabby

22:37

Shaw on the I thought it was Wabble

22:39

Show in the movie. Yeah it is. I thought, Oh,

22:43

is this whole thing wrong? Do we need to issue another correction.

22:47

It's gonna go the way of those when you get hair

22:49

growing on your eyeball. How we quit talking about that. It's

22:51

gonna go Walker Shaw is going away of that. Um

22:55

anyway, go check that out. It's the one of the

22:57

funniest videos we put out this year,

23:00

real quick. And this is gonna tie into our next talking

23:02

point. So it's really slick. Um. Seth

23:05

and I are fresh off well, I am

23:07

fresh off a spear fishing trip to Louisiana.

23:11

I'm fresh off fishing trip to Louisiana.

23:13

Seth, don't get in the water. I've told anybody this. I was,

23:16

I was rasing. I was like, Seth,

23:18

he's not like. He doesn't like he loves the water, doesn't want

23:20

to be in it. I love boats,

23:22

he likes It's not he likes

23:25

the water. He likes boats. Uh.

23:29

I kept harrassing about why he wouldn't get in there and

23:31

take a take a little shot or two

23:33

with the spear gun, and he clarified

23:35

to me he likes to bring the fish to him, Yeah,

23:38

that's right. I need to go like boats,

23:40

I like rodding reels. Doesn't need to go in there

23:42

with them. But we were. This is the thing that I've

23:44

been wanting to do for a long time. My god, it was fun. We

23:46

were diving the oil rigs. So

23:50

it's like it's hard to even explain, man,

23:53

thousands of oil oil platforms

23:55

to do all manner of things out

23:58

How many miles out there we go? I

24:00

think just over seventy. Yeah, we

24:02

had a distinct advantage because our buddies

24:05

had just speared a our bodies

24:07

were down there to do. Um who

24:09

they both been on the podcast, Greg Fonts

24:11

and Alex were no and

24:15

you want to see some full circle, full circling.

24:19

These two are featured in the

24:21

Close Calls the Mediator's

24:24

Campfire Stories Close Calls

24:26

edition. They're featured in the Close Calls with

24:28

spear Fishing Close Calls. Um

24:33

hell's that saying about us? Seth? They were down there doing

24:35

something. Oh, they were there for a spear fishing tournament. So they

24:37

had already like beyond scouted

24:39

for two days. So we got the real gravy pickings

24:42

because we went on out of the Gulf,

24:44

and they knew like that rig, that rig, that rig.

24:47

When the Mississippi flows out, it's got like a murky

24:49

fresh water and freshwater lays on the salt water.

24:51

So when you go up to a rig, like you get out of

24:53

the boat and swim up to a rig, you can't see

24:55

anything man Like you can hold your hand

24:57

out and can't see your fingertips. In fact,

25:00

you can't reload your spear gun at the surface without

25:02

moving it around to see what's going on, Like you can't

25:04

see the other end of the gun. But

25:08

when you dive down from three ft

25:10

to fifteen ft, all of a sudden, it's like you

25:12

like enter the blue water. Like it's

25:15

just it's like someone pulling back the curtains.

25:18

So you dive down and you get through that muddy

25:20

murk. And also it's like the whole

25:22

world opens up unbelievable,

25:25

unbelievable fish

25:29

uh, which gives me

25:31

to this point. These guys, you

25:33

know, you'll get we were we we went out one time, fire

25:35

out to try chumming. So we're

25:37

chumming. What was that fish we're chumming with? You remember not

25:40

bunker, No, I don't remember that. I

25:43

don't remember the name of it. Yeah, I can't remember

25:45

either. They used the word I wasn't familiar with. I bet I would

25:47

know it by a different name. They

25:51

use a lot of the guys on there use a lot of French words in it.

25:53

That all their ducks, the Cajuns, all their ducks

25:55

that use the French word for the duck. Um.

25:59

Sharks show up like like a mofo when

26:01

you're doing this, and these

26:03

guys, when

26:06

a shark comes in and he starts getting like kind of aggressive,

26:08

what's funny is they're very

26:10

good at reading the shark's mood and they'll go

26:12

in and chase him like they

26:14

dived down and chase him off, dive down

26:16

and maybe like pokem or hit him in the nose

26:19

to run him off, like you're running off a dog. Ah.

26:24

And we had a recent episode we do with

26:26

Kimmy Werner and she talked about

26:28

the same thing. And I was remarking on her going down and

26:30

confronting sharks, diving down to him

26:32

to confront him to get him to move away.

26:36

And this guy was saying he was listening to Kimmy's hot tip

26:38

about this, and he was surfing at

26:40

Dana Point California, and

26:43

there was a great white that was hanging around there

26:45

and he charged at it with his surfboard

26:49

and spooked it off. It's

26:51

huge. Yeah,

26:54

gotta took Kimmy's advice, got aggressive

26:56

on it. It left and never came back, so

26:58

he says. But he also

27:01

mentions that he did not stay in the water.

27:04

He returned the shore immediately. I

27:06

didn't read it that far. Yeah, So did

27:08

the shark leave or did he leave a little

27:10

bit of both, but he did

27:13

successfully charge the shark. The

27:15

fin disappeared, never to be seen again.

27:18

But his vantage point

27:20

from thereafter was from the shore looking

27:22

out, not the surfboard looking down. He

27:25

includes some beautiful photographs of the shark. Gorgeous.

27:27

I like that shark a lot. Okay,

27:30

now turn the attention is our last thing before

27:32

we get to our guests. But this is this is sizeable,

27:34

right. Are we ready to move on? Spencer

27:38

has been advocating can I just tell him?

27:40

Can we can just do you care if it's like kind of post

27:42

modern feeling where we talk about talking

27:45

about it, take the lead, go ahead, you don't care. It's

27:48

very it's postmodern, it's

27:51

behind the scenes, it's show businesses

27:53

to thing called the fourth wall. Um,

27:56

what you can imagine like whilet's stay watching the sitcom,

27:58

you can see what's happened ng on

28:01

three of the walls, right, like they come

28:03

in the husband wife get an argument that the kids

28:05

say something sassy. Right, you can see like three

28:08

walls, but you never see the fourth wall. That's

28:10

where the cameras so

28:14

in show business will say that we broke the fourth

28:16

wall. We're

28:19

breaking the fourth wall. Spencer has been

28:21

advocating heavily that we need to have a

28:23

trivia, a trivia element, an

28:26

occasional trivial trivia element to

28:28

the show. Um, and I

28:30

think it's got a lot of legs, and I see our path toward of

28:32

board game. There's a

28:34

lot of writing on this. If

28:37

Spencer does, if he's

28:39

good, that he has a bright future. These

28:43

are trivia questions curated by me.

28:45

You're not gonna find them anywhere else. Not trivia

28:47

questions you're gonna get in trivial Pursuit

28:50

or on Jeopardy Where your neighborhood

28:52

bar and grill. This is exclusive

28:54

to the Mediator podcast, but

28:57

it's informed by audience correct,

28:59

It's informed by things that people want to know these

29:01

questions are born out of meat eaters for verticals.

29:04

Tell what they are Steve hunting, fishing,

29:09

wild foods, and conservation.

29:11

That's right. And we have ten questions

29:14

and there is a prize, so we have steaks,

29:16

So no cheating off, Tucker cal

29:19

when when you're writing down here, I want

29:21

you to know, man, you don't have to participate. I

29:23

was on Jeopardy

29:30

about like like a celebrity Jeopardy

29:33

or it was he was the bullshit edition, and you

29:38

know I knew him. He was a nice guy. No, it

29:41

was it was, Oh

29:43

god, he's so unimpressive from

29:45

also from Michigan. I'm sorry,

29:48

No, Bob Woodward. The

29:51

journalists, yeah, the journalist. And he

29:53

didn't tear it up. No,

29:56

he's a little slow. Actually, it was sort of surprised.

29:59

And Peggy new In, who's very nice person.

30:01

Why do you say it was bullshit? Do you think they like come

30:06

on? Yeah? Yeah, there was like no Greek

30:08

mythology and I did

30:10

it hungover and did fine. It was pretty

30:14

right. So

30:16

the prize, so Spencer wanted forty

30:18

five minutes, and we've

30:20

negotiated down to think we're like twenty. Yeah,

30:22

but I'm very excited about this. I think

30:24

that if you I'm I hope, I'm I

30:26

had Spencer sit. I made uh,

30:29

Spencer has Brody's chair. I wanted to be

30:31

so cold, s Spencer while he did it, to see how it went.

30:35

And the prize is meat Eater has

30:37

generously agreed to donate one hundred

30:39

dollars to a conservation organization

30:41

of the winner's choice in the winner's name. So

30:43

that is what's on the line here. And

30:47

if this takes off and becomes really good, we'll have to

30:49

up the state. There we go. This is just an introductory

30:51

level. Comminder, Philik and one of you tally

30:54

up the scores for me while we do this. Right,

30:58

look on, Natan, know what I should

31:00

win everything. I'm

31:03

saying, just tend to win everything.

31:12

We were

31:15

ready. Everyone has a white right.

31:19

None of us know what's going on. We've never tried it. I

31:21

thought we should just shout out the answers. Yeah,

31:25

the first question is multiple choice. You're

31:28

not going to get any more multiple choice after this,

31:30

so I'm giving you. Do we keep our whole

31:32

board secret? Yeah? I mean I don't want.

31:34

I don't want cal Show and Garrett, And

31:36

what I mean is we do all of that. There

31:39

will be after the first question, I will tell you to reveal

31:41

your answer, and then we'll have a moment where we

31:43

can laugh at Seth because he wrote something

31:45

dumb um and we all know what

31:47

everyone's as. Probably

31:52

that's right. Multiple choice. The topic

31:54

is conservation. Which

31:56

one of these conservation organizations

31:58

is oldest? Wall Eyes

32:00

Unlimited, Duck's Unlimited, Trout

32:03

Unlimited, or White Tails unlimited.

32:07

Which one is the oldest wal Eyes, Ducks,

32:09

Trout or White Tails? Oh?

32:13

Man, see, I feel like it's one of those ones where,

32:16

oh, come on, that's obvious. I know

32:18

what to put. Wow,

32:21

look up. Huh.

32:26

These are the only four unlimited uh conservation

32:29

organizations that I could find. But I feel like we should start

32:31

like a squirrel one at some point.

32:34

Oh yeah, we have Rocky Mountain Squirrel Foundation.

32:37

Is there really such a thing. No, we're gonna starts

32:44

unofficially organization. He

32:46

doesn't do anything with it. It used to be in the Honest's bio

32:49

on the website that he is the founder of it. All right,

32:51

does everyone have an answer? Reveal

32:54

your answers. We have White

32:56

Tails un Limited was found in nineteen two.

32:58

Let me tell you why I put down what I never Walleyes

33:01

Unlimited was found in nineteen sixty nine,

33:03

Trout Unlimited in nineteen fifty five,

33:06

and Ducks Unlimited. The correct answer was nineteen

33:08

thirty seven. We

33:10

got everyone did well there, listen,

33:16

Here's why I thought it was gonna be

33:18

one of those got you questions. That's

33:22

kind of embarrassed. So now that I see that you're just going for

33:26

I wanted it so bad to be Wales. And the

33:28

great story about it is when it was founded,

33:31

the founder was originally just going to just going

33:33

to call it Ducks, but it was going to be an international

33:35

organization, and one of the other founders pointed

33:37

out to him that, well, this would be limited.

33:40

This would be uh categorized

33:43

as a limited corporation in Canada,

33:45

so Canada would refer to it as Ducks

33:47

Limited. And the founders quote

33:50

was, damn it, we don't want limited Ducks.

33:52

So the solution then was to name it Ducks

33:55

Unlimited. But question,

34:00

it's now Duck's Unlimited limited

34:03

if you like dug around in the paperwork of

34:05

what Canadians we forer do it as I'm guessing

34:07

that's would be Comma

34:10

limited. Ye, So that's

34:13

and that then like I imagine Spawn Trout

34:15

to give that name in white Tails and sure

34:17

everyone else. So that's how it started, staying

34:21

Canadians, you're into this, aren't you? Hey,

34:23

where's our interest? Meters Phil, there's

34:26

a lot of people in the room. I don't think I would have had space

34:28

to set it up. Turn mine up if you can't

34:30

got it. Question to the

34:33

categories public lands? Which

34:35

state has the most national

34:37

parks? M hm

34:41

oh, I mean by

34:44

number, you know, the number of them? Oh,

34:46

I think the number of national

34:49

parks. Hold on a minute, man, are

34:51

you talking about like like uh, like

34:54

what about like Gettysburg or something like what

34:56

what the National Park Service would

34:58

identify as an national

35:00

parks? But this is not This is not

35:02

square miles, is not percentage of land,

35:04

the number of them that there are, and

35:06

it is a close race at the top. I will give

35:09

you that hint. Yeah, because I think

35:11

the smallest national park on

35:13

register is less

35:15

than a square mile of land. I

35:18

believe so that

35:21

I think so that is not the question though, reminding

35:23

the questions, letting people know there's

35:26

really there's at Which

35:29

state has the most? I

35:31

don't think I have it right. What's

35:37

your fear do you think did you go to the obvious or not

35:39

obvious one on this one? Because I'm thinking about

35:41

something that's probably wrong, worked

35:44

yourself into a pretzel. Yeah, I'm ready

35:46

to tell you. Does everyone have an answer but

35:48

grudgingly reveal your answers.

35:55

The only person who got it right is Tucker.

35:59

It is a California, California,

36:05

California, California.

36:07

Okay, I'll put you on. California leads

36:09

the nation at nine. You

36:12

then have Alaska at eight, Utah

36:15

at five, in Colorado at four. Here's

36:18

why I went Alaska because you know they

36:20

have like the park, they have those like park and preserved

36:22

designations and there's a lot of them. Man, talk

36:25

about that earlier today. Explanations

36:28

of why you were on. No,

36:32

you do not, but I appreciate to

36:35

tell you. I'm gonna quit doing

36:37

it. I'm just gonna be wrong. I'm

36:39

I'm I'm looking for that in this game. I want

36:41

you to like make me fat chest self and

36:44

explain how wrong you got it.

36:46

That kind of thing. Keep it on. California

36:48

nine, in Alaska eight, last GA eight, Ute

36:50

five, Colorado four. The nine national parks

36:53

are Channel Island's Death Valley, Joshua Tree,

36:55

King's Canyon, lastin Volcanic

36:57

Pinnacles, Redwood Sequoia, and Semity.

37:01

You know, uh, a little bit of constructive

37:03

feedback for you. Okay, I'm ready your

37:08

You knocked it out of the park on

37:10

the first tidbit, like

37:13

the post question tidbit, the

37:15

second no

37:17

one wants to hear a list of nine things. I

37:20

disagree. The second tidbit I thought was horrible.

37:23

Okay, it's going forward. Too much information,

37:25

Yeah, going forward. The first tidbit

37:27

was wonderful, but it's already constrict, like

37:30

you can get list nine things to somebody.

37:34

Look at look at what happened in the competition

37:36

side of things though, right we were like had a strong

37:39

heat going and

37:41

all of a sudden, now we have a clear front runner. Two

37:43

rounds like that. That's a mark

37:46

of a good game. The tidbit was specifically

37:48

for criticizing

37:50

the tidbit, and I would like the first

37:53

tidbits at a real bar. I'm rounding

37:55

out your compliments. And hey,

37:57

at least he didn't slow down the podcast or anything

37:59

with that and keep us from question

38:02

three. Ready ready,

38:04

I just like the point out that Karen is also playing and she is

38:06

also two for two. Have

38:08

a whiteboard, so I don't trust what she says.

38:12

I like it, Philip

38:14

fact checker, I'm gonna do a scoreboard

38:16

update. That's very unnecessary. Where Steve has

38:18

zero correct and the only

38:21

person in the room was zero, we're just getting started. Question

38:28

three, the topic is biology.

38:32

What is the term for when there is a distinct

38:34

difference in size or appearance

38:37

between males and females of the same

38:39

species. I'll give you some examples. A

38:41

female soft shell turtle grows about

38:43

twice as big as a male soft shell

38:45

turtle. A mule deer buck

38:48

has antlers, well, a mule deer dough does

38:50

not. These are examples of what

38:52

biological term. It's

38:55

basically, did you listen to the last episode

38:57

of the Mediator podcast? Was this talked about?

38:59

Then we're talked about. We've

39:02

talked about how Neanderthals don't seem

39:04

to have exhibited it and

39:07

at low levels ospreys are

39:09

extreme. Okay, does

39:15

everyone have it written down? I don't

39:17

know. I saze sports,

39:19

so I can't. I can't. Just sorry.

39:23

The correct answer, as most folks in the room

39:28

macrofructations. The

39:32

correct answer is what karine?

39:36

That is ratual. That's

39:38

hot. Who got

39:43

I read that? Not only do

39:46

you do? It seems like from

39:48

the sculpt remains do Neanderthals

39:50

did not have as extreme a form

39:52

of sexual dimorphism is hominids

39:55

or not? They were hominids as Homo sapien,

39:58

but they a Their

40:01

skeletal remains exhibit the same suites

40:03

of injuries from

40:06

what anthropologists call a confrontational

40:08

style of hunting, and

40:10

that it seems that the women were mixing it up with the men

40:12

in big game hunting,

40:16

a suite of injuries that is reminiscent

40:18

of what you see on professional bull riders.

40:21

They noted, it's a good book. I read

40:23

all that out of Okay, all right,

40:26

now we have Korean pitching a perfect game. That's

40:29

the tidbit, three for three. Yeah,

40:31

but she's disqualified because Brodie,

40:35

did you get that one or not? It's

40:37

only an honorable man. Caught up Phil Question

40:40

four's

40:42

fishing. The fifty one

40:45

bass Master Classic, which is the super Bowl

40:47

Bass Fishing, just wrapped up in June. The annual

40:49

tournament features some of the world's most famous

40:51

anglers on some of America's premier bass

40:54

lakes and rivers. You

40:56

need to name one body of water the

40:58

bass Master Classic has been held on. Has

41:01

been held on, Yes, any of the fifty

41:04

one events. You need to name one

41:06

of those lakes or rivers or impoundments

41:09

that the Classic has been held on. Have to

41:11

spell it right. No, I'm

41:13

right there. I think we're writing down the same lakes down. This

41:16

is gonna take me a minute to check all of your answers,

41:18

because you have about forty options. The lake is

41:20

or the the the tournament has been held

41:23

on some some duplicates at some point,

41:25

so you have to bear with us. We reveal

41:27

on I see Garrett still

41:29

writing Lake

41:32

macro Fructation. All

41:35

right, Steve, you go first. What do we got oka

41:38

chobe Um?

41:42

I don't. I don't

41:44

know if that's one of them because you sheld

41:46

it so wrong. I can't. Did

41:51

you write it this way? Steve? Yeah,

41:55

lake of Lake of Florida Lake. Oh

41:58

oh, he's got the same answer, but he probably spelled

42:00

about kay. I do not I do not seek cho

42:02

beyond you, Tucker,

42:05

what is your answer? I'm

42:08

sorry? How

42:11

do you spell the nar? Think it's l

42:13

A and I E R in Georgia.

42:15

That is not one of them. Come on, I

42:18

don't think. I think you're like,

42:21

I don't even want to show, but

42:24

I don't. I don't even know if there's bass Lake Michigan

42:26

is correct,

42:29

I don't even here.

42:35

Two thousand they held the Bass Master Classic

42:38

on Lake Michigan. That Wood Davies

42:40

one with twenty seven pounds. Seth,

42:43

what do you got like? Fork? He

42:46

likes bass tournaments. That is not one

42:49

of the lakes. Really really, what

42:51

is this? I know, I know, I

42:54

know for a fact Lake Fork was on a stop

42:56

on the series this year, not the Master

42:58

Classics, the class So

43:02

what is like?

43:04

What fake answer? I had three

43:06

question marks? So

43:10

Garrett the person who have you caught bass?

43:12

Like? Right? Have you caught bass before? Yeah? I

43:15

do it quite a lot around here? Yeah, get

43:17

at it is the one person got

43:19

it right? Yeah, fly Rod. Mainly

43:22

he's lying, like I

43:24

know this year it was held in Florida, but I

43:26

forget the body of water name or not

43:28

Florida, Texas. It was in Texas. Oh,

43:31

I know what like? But

43:33

I don't Ray Roberts. Roberts,

43:36

I couldn't think of it. Okay, you got a tidbit

43:38

or no, that's it. No, I

43:40

think part of your signature deal should be a little

43:42

tidbit. Yeah. Well

43:44

the tidbit was telling Garrett that it was held

43:46

in two thousand and in Wade Davies

43:48

won it with twenty seven pounds. Alright.

43:51

Question five, we no longer have a perfect

43:53

game from Karan. The

43:56

topic is biology. What

43:59

is the color of spider blood?

44:02

Spencer? That's

44:07

it, that's the whole question. What is the

44:09

color of spider blood? Is

44:12

it different? You probably can't give me

44:14

a hint. Is it different inside and outside the body?

44:17

Yeah? Because right exactly. I was just thinking that exact

44:19

same, because I mean, who hasn't squashed a spider? Moved

44:22

to disqualified? That's

44:26

it? I like the way you think. That's very smart. What

44:30

is the color of spider blood? Does everyone have an answer?

44:32

Oh? No, I'm changing mind because

44:34

you're not going to answer that. I thought I'm not very

44:36

relevant question. I can answer anything. This

44:40

could be an overthinking underthinking

44:42

situation. I don't know. So

44:45

what are you doing? You reveal your

44:47

answers. The correct answer

44:49

is blue? Which

44:52

who got it? Cal? Got it blue?

44:55

Steve? No? I

44:58

know? Is that only Cal on that one? It

45:01

is because it

45:04

is because check He's gonna go over to

45:06

the corner of the room and fact check their

45:09

blood has an atom of copper instead

45:11

of iron. Like most animals. They

45:13

share this trait with snails and OCTOPI

45:16

that was a good tidbit, Thank you, very

45:18

good tidbit. Okay, I got a half time round

45:20

up here. We have Karin and Cal tied

45:23

for first with three, Brody

45:25

Garrett tied for second, oh,

45:28

and Tucker tied for second, and then we've

45:30

got Steven Seth around it out last with one.

45:33

These are hard, dude,

45:36

I'm so depressed now. Out of all

45:39

the hot tips that we're getting out of these,

45:41

I'm thinking Wade Davies and the

45:43

weight of the bass is probably the one that's gonna

45:46

come in least handy. Yeah, yeah,

45:58

Question six, back to the topic

46:00

of conservation. Before

46:03

becoming president, Teddy Roosevelt had

46:05

held titles such as Minority

46:07

Leader of the State Assembly, President

46:10

of the Police Commissioners, and governor

46:12

in what state? Teddy

46:16

Roosevelt titles such as

46:18

Minority Leader of the State Assembly, President

46:21

of the Police Commissioners, and governor in

46:23

what state? We have very confident, Tucker

46:25

Carlson that so far's

46:29

from How about

46:31

this heat, Teddy Roosevelt introduced

46:33

what caliber of side arm to the police

46:36

department that he oversaw. Yes,

46:38

Spencer, I don't know. Spencer's

46:40

got zero. And

46:43

he did it so they would kill fewer criminals.

46:46

True story.

46:47

That's a good tidbit. Good

46:49

tidbit. Does everyone have an answer? Yeah,

46:52

but I don't like mine. Reveal your answers. The

46:54

correct answer is New York, which

46:58

everybody but Garrett. Everybody

47:00

but Garrett. What did you put down Garrett, North Dakota. I

47:03

didn't put down Montana, Rhode

47:06

Island. Why. It just seemed

47:08

like geographically like an

47:11

east somewhere. It's like just in

47:13

the east. We

47:16

have a fun article on the media dot com talking

47:18

about Teddy how during when

47:21

he while he held those roles, he really

47:23

loved boxing, and there was a moment where he got

47:25

hit so hard by an intern

47:28

that it made him blind in one eye,

47:31

and then he kept doing it all the way through the White House.

47:33

But somebody told them that it was like unbecoming

47:36

of a president to be walking around with black eyes and cuts

47:38

on his face, and so he gave it up for a little bit. M

47:41

hm. Question

47:43

seven, we are on public

47:46

lands. What is the deepest lake

47:48

in America. What

47:51

is the deepest lake in America? I

48:01

saw some fast writing so far.

48:03

I see some erasing as well, man

48:10

made. I see no writing by Steve made

48:13

so far. Come man made. I'm

48:15

not going to give a hint. Oh,

48:19

I see a third round of writing from Cal once

48:24

a hundred dollar donations in Oregon. I

48:28

am not giving any hints. I

48:36

see everybody ready, but Steve, I

48:38

honestly don't have an answer. Just come

48:40

up with an answer that's not superior about

48:43

write that down al right? Everybody

48:45

reveals your answer the correct

48:56

I was trying to think of though, So

48:58

who got it right? We had Set and Brody

49:01

and Cal, Garrett

49:04

Tucker. No, I got it wrong, but I knew, but

49:06

I knew the answer. It is

49:08

located in Oregon. You see what I'm saying,

49:10

And it is point five

49:12

Yeah, it is one

49:15

thousand ninety nine ft deep.

49:17

And while it is the deepest lake in the USA, it is

49:19

not the deepest lake in North America. That

49:21

title is held by the Great Slave

49:23

Lake in the Northwest Territories of

49:25

Canada. That lake is two thousand

49:27

ten ft deep, about sixty ft

49:30

deeper than Crater Lake. You fish

49:32

that one yet, Tucker small,

49:34

it's small mouth. It's

49:37

gotta be like gin clear right, yeah,

49:39

no, no, I was there

49:41

in bad weather. So

49:45

tons of shoreline looks awesome. Yeah,

49:47

m hm cool lag to creep on

49:50

X for no reason. Alright,

49:53

we're onto question eight. How many are There's

49:56

ten questions, so we're coming off with the end.

49:58

One of the most googled fire question

50:00

is what is better between the two seventy

50:02

Winchester in the thirty odds six Springfield.

50:05

We aimed at answering this question in a recent

50:07

article in media dot Com called caliber Battle

50:09

to seventy Winchester versus thirty odds six Springfield.

50:12

If you want that answer, you're gonna have to go to the media

50:14

dot com to see the winner. George Stillers

50:16

did a great job of breaking down the

50:18

two cartridges and declaring a winner. I'm

50:21

not gonna tell you who it was your interview that

50:23

no, ok. Your question

50:26

is what does the odds six stand for?

50:28

In the name thirty odds six Springfield?

50:35

We have a confidence, Steve, and a confidence ordinarily

50:37

confident, confident,

50:40

cal confident everybody but

50:42

Garrett, who is our gun guy. Don't

50:45

call him the gun guy. He's

50:47

a he's a competing he's a competit. He's a competitive

50:50

shooter, he's a solving.

50:55

His garage floor is clean. He's got

50:57

that deep pile rug in his garage, not

51:00

a drop on it. So, but before you get the answer,

51:02

what was the answer to the predicate

51:04

question, like what is superior? I can't

51:06

can't to drive traffic. You need to

51:08

go to the media dot com traffic

51:12

because it's a newer cartridge. You need

51:15

to go to the media dot com and read Jordan Stiller's

51:17

article from July one. Yeah, it's like

51:19

it's subjective but grounded. He

51:22

does as good as job of breaking the two down.

51:25

Is anybody just? But the ultimate thing is subjective?

51:27

Yes, yet grounded. Yes,

51:29

this question is not subjective. Everyone

51:31

reveals your answers. The answer

51:34

is the odd six refers

51:36

to nineteen o six, the year the cartridge

51:38

was adopted. I think we should give it the south who wrote

51:40

year made Yeah, for sure, everybody

51:43

got it? Oh

51:46

no, no, I wrote, what

51:49

did you write? I wrote,

51:51

oh yeah, Oh man, I'm embarrassed admit

51:53

this. I wrote zero six Because

51:56

the way you format of your question, you said, what

51:58

is odd six? Stand for the

52:03

thirty? I thought you were trying to be tricky there with

52:05

your last statement. The thirty refers

52:07

to the caliber of the bullet in inches, while the old six

52:09

stands for nineteen or six, the year the cartridge was

52:11

adopted. That was question

52:14

eight. We're on the question nine. What is the score?

52:16

Phil? We have cal

52:19

with six points in first place, really,

52:21

followed closely by Brody with five, Tucker

52:24

with four, and then Karin

52:28

with and Steve with three. Oh,

52:31

set Scott four as well? Did I say that? And Garrett

52:33

has too? Beforehand? I thought it were taken

52:35

six to win this and we have two questions

52:38

left, so you guys are on a good pace. I'm

52:40

I've gone from wanting

52:43

to win to just not wanting to be last place, which

52:46

is the mark of a good game. We got condition

52:50

question nine the categories wildlife

52:52

management. The two most common

52:54

types of tracking collars that biologists

52:57

use on animals are GPS

52:59

and v h F. GPS, of

53:01

course, stands for Global Positioning System.

53:04

What does v h F stand

53:07

for? Oh,

53:09

that's a good one. It is a good one. The

53:13

two primary times GPS

53:15

and VHF. GPS is Global

53:17

positioning system. What does

53:19

v h F stand for? V

53:22

is in venus.

53:34

This is the hardest I've seen in the room think yet, because

53:37

it's knowable. Yeah,

53:39

it's like I think it feels like one of those things you should not

53:42

right, m cal

53:47

the front runners thinking especially

53:49

hard. Those brows are very furrowed.

53:53

I've strapped these onto animals, and

53:56

so it's killing me that I don't confident.

54:00

Does everyone have an answer? Reveal

54:03

your answers. I'm

54:08

not seeing correct. I think that's right

54:10

right, Very

54:13

high frequency that is correct. High

54:17

frequency that is right,

54:20

very high high frequency

54:22

as you can get right, They're

54:25

like, how high, very high, very

54:27

high. Tucker

54:30

is the only one that got that one right. VHF colors

54:32

work by sending out a radio signal that allows

54:35

biologist to physically locate the animal

54:37

by using a receiver and directional antenna.

54:39

They only cost about three hundred fifty dollars,

54:41

while a GPS collar can cost anywhere

54:44

from eight hundred to three Thank

54:47

you, very high frequency, very high

54:49

frequency. There

54:51

were some close answers. I saw a few of you had like

54:53

the very some people had the frequencies. Uh,

54:56

Tucker was the only one to put it all together there.

54:58

You can't buy him right now, No, I

55:00

imagine, I don't know.

55:02

I just got a couple of new dogs and I want

55:05

callers from me, and there you can't get them. Run

55:07

the last question, Phil, is it close? Uh?

55:10

Well, the only way Cal can.

55:13

Cal can't lose, but he can tie

55:15

for first. Have a tiebreaker. We

55:17

need to go to America. We don't tie Phil soccer

55:21

stuff. There you go. I

55:23

I like to Cal

55:25

has six, Brody and

55:27

you did

55:29

that, Brody and don't

55:33

like Yeah, I don't like just drag

55:36

people through the dirt, Brody and

55:38

Tucker. I tied for second and Seth is

55:40

in third with four. Yeah.

55:42

Like you know when the Olympus are coming up and they get

55:44

to like gold right, they

55:46

don't go like gold browns and they

55:48

keep going, oh yeah the

55:51

last place person. To remind everyone

55:55

just let's focus on the winners. Let's focus on the lot

55:57

of bitterness in this room. That focus on question

56:00

ten. The topic is white tails.

56:03

The most popular state mammal is the

56:05

white tailed deer. In fact, there are twelve

56:08

states that recognize the white

56:10

tail as their state mammal. Name

56:12

one of them really

56:14

twelve states name one

56:16

of the states that recognize the white

56:18

tail as their official state

56:21

mammal. This

56:25

is for all the marbles, and I don't see cal looking

56:28

confident. It ain't Arizona, Garrett,

56:32

don't put Arizona.

56:38

Oh, I don't know what I'm gonna

56:40

do. I

56:43

have to keep people up to speed on what I'm thinking. Does

56:47

everybody have an answer? Reveal

56:51

your answers. I will list off

56:53

the correct answers. You can tell us if you're right,

56:55

Wisconsin, South Carolina, Pennsylvania,

56:58

Oklahoma, Ohio, new hand, sure,

57:00

Nebraska, Mississippi, Michigan,

57:03

Steve, Illinois, Georgia,

57:05

and Arkansas.

57:12

You put a very logical answer though, but

57:15

of course it's the steer right. So

57:19

we had we had everybody get it right except

57:21

Tucker and cow

57:23

Okay,

57:26

I missed. I said Louisiana, okay,

57:28

which I don't know what the state mammal

57:30

for Louisiana would be. So

57:34

in our first ever time playing trivia, we were

57:37

going to a tiebreaker. They both got what seven

57:39

correct? Six? Six? Okay, So I'm out

57:41

while you kind of fell behind. Are

57:43

you kind of choked? Yeah?

57:45

I missed the last two. Yeah, okay.

57:48

You all can participate in the tiebreaker, but

57:51

the only answers that matter are Brody and

57:53

cow your question is in the number

57:55

of days, how long is the gestation

57:58

period of an ELK thesis?

58:00

Will be the winner. Oh, this goes very

58:02

well into our heated conversation last there's

58:06

there's a good play on words right there, Steve.

58:08

Steve. Steve

58:12

filled the audience in and what the conversation

58:14

was last night between Callum Brody while they got

58:18

so bad. We were out celebrating the launch

58:20

of meetings, camp Fire Stories, Close

58:22

Calls, and we were celebrating the launch

58:25

at a restaurant, and so everybody that was involved in

58:27

that project was there, and Calum Brody

58:30

got into a fight

58:33

so bad that made other people at

58:35

the table uncomfortable. The

58:38

number of days those people get uncomfortable

58:40

around people anyway,

58:44

a little bit hard to track. It had to do

58:46

with that Montana now has a Montana

58:50

now has a primitive. They now

58:52

have a flint lock season, which will be tacked on to

58:55

the end of the general season. Brody, are you one of those folks

58:57

that knows that how

58:59

many days in each month? Because

59:03

I just kind of gassed well, I guess too,

59:05

all right, right,

59:10

the correct answer by still

59:12

in the two seventy caliber, the

59:15

correct He's seventy

59:17

kis coming in my mind. It's two

59:21

by the winner with the answer

59:23

of two seventy. That

59:26

number comes from the Rocky Mountain ELK Foundation.

59:28

So take it up with them, cal who was very wrong.

59:32

I'm your skills

59:35

is what failed there? You have an art in

59:38

June. They get inseminated in September.

59:40

Cali, you could have made an argument that I went over.

59:46

No, no, no, you know, like a lot of stuff, you can do it

59:48

like prices going over. Yeah, yeah,

59:50

price is right doing. But he didn't say that.

59:53

Well done, Brody. Yeah,

59:58

now body tell us who you're going to donate

1:00:01

your one dollars too. No,

1:00:04

let's keep in the family and do TRCP

1:00:10

all right, Uh

1:00:13

soccer Carlson, Um, you're

1:00:15

here to go fishing, I am. And you live in Maine.

1:00:18

Yep, tell us about that, about

1:00:21

how Maine you're you're explaining Maine kind

1:00:23

of drives up as

1:00:25

if fishing matter. Yeah. So we live in the Western

1:00:28

Mountains in Maine, at the top of the Appalachian

1:00:30

Chain in the United States,

1:00:32

and um, really pretty area, great

1:00:34

fishing, biggest brook trout in

1:00:37

the United States. Been there my whole life, and

1:00:39

we have landlocked salmon too throughout the

1:00:42

watershed and they're great, great

1:00:44

little game fish, and but

1:00:46

it gets hot and so um

1:00:49

we have a lot of still water fishing, a

1:00:51

lot of lake fishing. I fly fish,

1:00:54

So that's a problem because obviously,

1:00:57

you know, casting lead cores, it loses.

1:00:59

It's a p you like being a moving water for

1:01:02

sure. I fish rivers mostly. There's

1:01:04

about a maybe three week period

1:01:07

where I live on a lake where we

1:01:09

get um rising trout

1:01:11

and salmon, and you know, you just kill it for

1:01:13

that period. But you know, stripping

1:01:16

scuds on sinking line just

1:01:18

I'm not that into it. So but anyway, as the

1:01:20

summer gets warm, what I

1:01:22

always come out west to the state to fish

1:01:25

every you know, every year without fail. And I

1:01:27

have a lot of kids, and how many kids you got

1:01:29

for and you got a kid coming out

1:01:31

to fish with it, and so various kids

1:01:33

will meet me out here and we're just get in the truck and drive

1:01:36

around and stay motels and fish. What are the age

1:01:38

ranges. My oldest is twenty

1:01:40

six, second is twenty four. It

1:01:42

was a outstanding fly

1:01:45

caster, like one of the best. Is just a natural

1:01:47

and a really good shot. My third

1:01:50

is two and my fourth is

1:01:52

eighteen, and they're all into the outdoors.

1:01:54

Were raised that way, and but they

1:01:57

have varying degrees of enthusiasm for fly fishing.

1:02:00

Two out of four earlier are into it. It's

1:02:03

pretty good. I mean, considering you

1:02:05

know how difficult it is to get a kid to

1:02:07

learn to cast a fly rod? Is very difficult.

1:02:10

And were you saying you just recently turned fifty.

1:02:13

I'm fifty two. It's really old.

1:02:15

But my my son, who's

1:02:17

a who's a really superior fly caster, much

1:02:20

better than I am. Um, you

1:02:22

know, you have to make them. You have to make

1:02:24

them, so you start them on spinning rods obviously,

1:02:26

you know, throwing the daredevil on a

1:02:29

whatever big castor spinning rod

1:02:31

or whatever. And then at

1:02:33

about when he was nine, I just switched

1:02:36

him over to and eight waite because it's just easier

1:02:38

to load it. And uh, he

1:02:40

really hated it like a lot because

1:02:43

his catch rate went to zero. And I

1:02:45

was just a complete fashion coming after throwing

1:02:47

spinners. Yeah, if you're throwing a daredevil

1:02:50

in the Andreskoggin River like you're going to hook up

1:02:52

for sure. Well, I started all my kids on nightcrawlers.

1:02:54

Yeah. Well I never I never because

1:02:57

that's in moral So I didn't do that. But

1:03:00

but no bait fishing. But anyway, but

1:03:02

I made him take up the fly. Rodney deeply

1:03:04

resented it. And I've had a pretty lazy, fair attitude

1:03:06

with my kids about most things. You know, you get to choose

1:03:09

your political beliefs or what you know. It's not

1:03:11

into forcing my beliefs and my

1:03:13

kids except for a couple of things.

1:03:15

And one of the most evening you have to be able to competently

1:03:17

cast and this one kid, it sounds

1:03:21

well because no one else is going to teach him, you

1:03:23

know what I mean, that's like your duty as a father, and

1:03:26

you gotta you know, I like

1:03:28

wing shooting, so that too. But anyway, this

1:03:30

one kid really hated it and

1:03:33

stared at me in this resentful, almost

1:03:35

edible way like I want to I want to kill you.

1:03:38

And but I kept at it, and it was it was

1:03:40

such a great victory because he really became

1:03:43

talented and learned to love it. So I fished with him

1:03:45

a lot. And but now I'm fishing

1:03:47

with one of my girls. Are you're

1:03:50

you're in Maine? You have a camp, right? We have a kid?

1:03:52

How do you know that? Because that's like so main

1:03:55

culture. You go out for a paddle and you go

1:03:57

to the camp. Yeah, every every

1:03:59

house in May in the woods as a camp.

1:04:01

And then we we have a camp which is our family

1:04:04

house where we grew up,

1:04:06

and then we have a fishing We have another camp which

1:04:08

is off grid, just two cabins on a river,

1:04:11

and that's the fishing camp. That's the fishing camp.

1:04:13

So we fish at boat at both. But we have a

1:04:16

like fully you know, no electricity or running water

1:04:19

place, which is great. And your kids like going

1:04:21

to the camp. They're obsessed. Yeah,

1:04:23

they love it. Yeah, because i mean, you know, you can

1:04:26

we shoot a lot and you know, you can

1:04:28

shoot off the porch and swim

1:04:30

in the river and the fishing for a couple of months

1:04:32

is pretty great. It it turns up again in

1:04:34

September. We're mostly

1:04:36

for brook trout, and the brook trout really

1:04:39

don't let any water over seventy there's not

1:04:41

into it at all, so they find the springs so they just

1:04:43

kind of disappear. But they come back in

1:04:45

September. So you know, most of August

1:04:47

is shooting heavy on the Tanna, right, you

1:04:50

know, three awight into Tanna right that

1:04:52

that that's how we clear the wood.

1:04:55

And the forest in Maine is very different

1:04:57

from the forest out here, and it's like a rainforest. That's a move.

1:05:00

We get so much precipitation, and

1:05:03

you know, white pines dominate, of course at the

1:05:05

whole point of Maine is the eastern white pine. But

1:05:07

we get a ton of spruce and fur and

1:05:09

seed during a lot of other things, but mostly spruce and

1:05:11

for just like just pop up like you

1:05:13

know, like five o'clock shadow. They're just

1:05:15

everywhere. So you know, there's a

1:05:17

lot of a lot, but there's you know, you

1:05:19

have to cut basically if it's your land,

1:05:22

and so we try to use tanna right to do that because

1:05:24

it's just so much more fun. That's how you shop

1:05:26

them down. Well, no, I mean, we

1:05:29

we use chainsaws typically, but tanna right is fun.

1:05:31

You know. Uh, did you guys see

1:05:33

that the you know, the story

1:05:37

of the couple that had a gender reveal party

1:05:39

for a baby, burn the burn

1:05:41

the forest down. I just saw it. Just I saw in the

1:05:44

news this morning that they were there being charged

1:05:46

for the death of a firefighter. Fire

1:05:50

thirty felonies or something. They got charged with.

1:05:52

It was some it was some ridiculous number like

1:05:54

that. It's pretty hard to set

1:05:56

the forest in Maine on fire. It's really wet.

1:05:59

Yeah, like a pig shows upside. It's a it's a

1:06:01

little more like Oregon than it is Monte. And this

1:06:03

is this is North North, like the big Northwood.

1:06:06

This is western Maine, which is the

1:06:08

mountainous part of Maine. So a lot of

1:06:10

Maine, actually northern Maine is flat. Coastal

1:06:13

Maine is rocky and really don't

1:06:15

have that many evergreens um

1:06:17

the mountains of western Maine, so sort

1:06:20

of maybe two hours above Portland,

1:06:23

and then it's all paper company land up to the Canadian

1:06:25

border. That's less like pond swamp

1:06:27

country more well, there's all

1:06:30

over Maine, which is like the downside that an

1:06:32

insane amount of water, insane amount

1:06:34

of water and insane amount of swamps. And

1:06:37

you know, depending on the year, the ticks are just ridiculous

1:06:39

and you have to be happy, you know, comfortable with

1:06:41

mosquitoes and black flights, which I am. I've just totally

1:06:44

zend out and I don't even care. Um,

1:06:46

but the ticks some years are really bad.

1:06:48

In fact, it was last year the

1:06:51

estimate was we lost half of all yearling

1:06:53

moose to blood loss from ticks. Kid,

1:06:55

Oh, it's into, it's real. It's totally intense

1:06:58

this year. I mean I'm in the woods every day and

1:07:01

six eight ticks, and I mean I

1:07:03

haven't worn shorts a single day. I got to Maine

1:07:05

on June tenth. I haven't worn shorts a single day

1:07:07

because not one what is don't wear shorts

1:07:09

and Maine because that's like you don't do that? And

1:07:12

I still get six or eight ticks every day. The

1:07:14

mortality on that moose study,

1:07:17

uh, they were averaging

1:07:21

a little over forty seven

1:07:23

thousand ticks on

1:07:26

each calf moves. Which ever seen it?

1:07:29

I have not seen it in person, but it's over twenty

1:07:31

pounds of ticks. You can

1:07:33

imagine that. It's so well,

1:07:35

I mean, it's disgusting obviously, like beyond

1:07:39

it's like the most repulsive thing you've ever seen, but it's

1:07:41

also just a tragedy. You see it and you just feel

1:07:43

so sorry. Moose are a big thing

1:07:45

where we live. I hit one two years

1:07:47

ago, totally destroyed my truck. I

1:07:49

hit a bull moose going seventy and just total

1:07:52

to full size silverado on them. So they're

1:07:54

kind of a threat. They killed dogs moose

1:07:56

for that like the only thing in the main woods that will hurt you.

1:07:58

So you kind of have ambivalent feelings about moose, but

1:08:00

when you see the ticks on them, you really have

1:08:03

sympathy because it's just and that's why they're in the swamps

1:08:05

all day. You know, they're missing huge

1:08:07

patches of fur, and the clusters of ticks

1:08:09

are just like, never see anything like

1:08:11

it. Tixer sizes your thumb. Thousands of

1:08:14

them just gorge with blood gorged the

1:08:16

poor animals. You know, is it widely

1:08:18

known that you uh produce

1:08:21

that you like, do your show

1:08:24

from not Manhattan.

1:08:29

I don't know that it is. Um.

1:08:31

I had a remember being really when I found

1:08:33

that out. I didn't know you could pull that off. Oh yeah,

1:08:36

and it's it's gotta be people who are like, well, I'm gonna do that

1:08:38

too, when people should. I mean, you know,

1:08:40

some people really like cities. I I emphatically

1:08:43

don't. I don't see the upside. I really

1:08:45

strong feelings about it. I try to express them because

1:08:47

there are a lot of great people who live in cities and I don't

1:08:49

want to alienate them. It's like golf. I don't know I don't

1:08:51

golf, but I don't attack golf. I don't know, it's

1:08:53

not in

1:08:56

my heart. I do, but I don't. I don't say that out loud. Um,

1:08:58

So I'm not you know, I'm not attacking cities, but I just

1:09:00

I don't care to live that at

1:09:02

all. And I'm sure he's a nice person. It seems like a

1:09:04

nice person. Oh you know, uh, you know, I was gonna

1:09:06

ask you about see that, show him, show him your arm,

1:09:08

Spencer. Spencer got

1:09:10

this listening tree. Now,

1:09:12

he could have planted a thousand trees for what it

1:09:15

cost him to get that tree. Like trees,

1:09:18

Yeah, I was gonna ask you have tattoos. We're gonna argue about

1:09:20

tattoos lately. I'm not gonna answer

1:09:22

that question. Let me just

1:09:24

say I was in Jacksonville seven

1:09:27

drunk and I did wind up with

1:09:29

a couple and did Yeah.

1:09:31

I mean it was the eighties and I drank a lot. I no

1:09:34

longer drank or go to Jacksonville, So I'm fine now.

1:09:36

But I do love trees,

1:09:38

and I and I love that. And then

1:09:41

you spend part of your year working

1:09:43

out of Florida, so you'd pack up the

1:09:45

whole operation everybody goes with you. Yeah,

1:09:48

yeah, do they look forward to that part of the year.

1:09:50

Yeah, we we live I mean, I really

1:09:53

care about the outdoors, and so I'm here

1:09:55

and uh and so yeah,

1:09:57

we live on the west coast of Florida, UM

1:10:00

on one of the Barrier Islands, where you know, tarpin

1:10:03

fishing is a is kind of the center

1:10:05

of the It's the reason, it's the reason the town is. End

1:10:07

of that. Yeah, I like tarping, Honestly,

1:10:10

I don't. I like tarpin fishing. I live

1:10:12

in like the world's capital tarpin fishing,

1:10:15

But I really like snooking and redfish

1:10:17

stuck mostly so all winter I fish

1:10:19

for snook on a fly, and

1:10:22

you know, you can catch one stock after the

1:10:24

other in the mangroves, but to catch up forty and snook

1:10:26

on the fly is definitely something

1:10:28

you need to dedicate yours to doing. It's actually

1:10:30

think it's actually harder than tarpin fishing. Tarpin fishing on

1:10:32

a fly is heavily luck

1:10:35

related, So I I

1:10:37

do think that. I mean, it's just if

1:10:41

you tried on a fly for tarpins, Oh yeah, yeah,

1:10:43

yeah, you pulled it off, haven't you. Oh?

1:10:45

Yeah, no, I've got I've got a handful.

1:10:47

But it is I think I knew

1:10:49

you win. Uh, Like

1:10:52

you know my my buddies that are guides

1:10:54

and do it all the time, like they definitely have

1:10:57

this. Oh it happens or

1:10:59

it doesn't, and there's no more thought.

1:11:02

You have to be able to get the fly to them. It's

1:11:05

very quick reaction. It's not casting, obviously

1:11:07

to trout or even to snook where you know you're safe

1:11:09

fish and you're thinking, okay, lead him. That's it's

1:11:11

just a pure reaction. I

1:11:14

fish with actually a one piece

1:11:16

nine weight because I don't like nice thing. The big

1:11:18

The one piece don't blow up, and

1:11:20

that's why I do it, so I use a lighter rod for

1:11:22

it. Explain me when you say blow up, well

1:11:25

your rottle shatter. Oh you mean blow up like break

1:11:27

well there's a big fish. Yeah. Have you have

1:11:30

you got one of those mako reels?

1:11:33

No, I those things are And it's

1:11:35

so funny. I called one tarpin this

1:11:38

spring because I go to main pretty early, so tarpin

1:11:40

season where I live starts, well,

1:11:42

it kind of depends on the year. Last year it started,

1:11:44

I caught a tarpet in March. This year, it was a little

1:11:46

bit later, maybe mid April, and I

1:11:48

fished throughout April and early May, and

1:11:51

my last day in Florida, I caught a tarp

1:11:53

in my first cast, maybe d and twenty

1:11:55

pound tarpin and my

1:11:58

rod my son was using my rut so was.

1:12:00

I borrowed a friend's rod and the reel was broken,

1:12:03

and it it just I mean, I mean, they

1:12:05

just well, you know, you've caught him. You know, it's

1:12:08

it's almost a chore to catch him. You well, that's why people snap

1:12:10

them off. It's like, oh, I caught the tarping, great, good for me,

1:12:12

but you don't want to actually get into the boat because it's

1:12:14

really intense. But this thing

1:12:17

took off and the real hit my thumb and I couldn't

1:12:19

use my hand. It was it

1:12:21

was absolutely awful. So that's like the one kind

1:12:23

of fishing. I fish a lot of fish every day,

1:12:26

and that's the only kind of fishing where

1:12:28

I think the real matters. I mean, even with snook,

1:12:30

and I never put a fish on the reel ever.

1:12:34

Yeah, I mean, I've seen people take more

1:12:36

time to land a trout

1:12:39

fly fishing trying to get it

1:12:41

on the reel and mess around. And I've

1:12:43

seen I've seen like pro tarpan

1:12:45

people land tarpan with proper

1:12:48

rod mechanics, proper real mechanics in less

1:12:50

time than i've seen sloppy trout fishing. Its totally

1:12:52

right, and it's like someone who's great. The

1:12:54

guy I fished with Austin Ladder is actually

1:12:56

from Montana can. I mean he can

1:12:59

muscle a hundred and kind of tarp into the boat

1:13:01

in like six minutes. But for a normal person

1:13:03

like me who fishes a lot, but it is not a

1:13:05

guide. I mean take twenty five minutes

1:13:07

to get the fish to the boat. And Latin

1:13:09

fact, last year I cut a fish that was big enough

1:13:12

and it was a nasty enough fight that I actually

1:13:14

took a nap in the boat. That's how old.

1:13:16

I mean, it just it just wore me

1:13:18

right out. That's awesome. Hey,

1:13:20

what's what? How does snook fishing work? Snook

1:13:22

fishing is like, how do you guys go about it? You

1:13:25

just get out into flats boat. Actually, I do what I like to

1:13:27

fish on foot for trout to I really

1:13:29

don't like fishing from a boat. I never do

1:13:31

float trips for example. I just I'm

1:13:33

not into it. I'm not into Bobbera fishing in general,

1:13:37

but I like to walk and I like it some nice long drift

1:13:39

though, man, you do. To

1:13:41

be honest, my snobbery

1:13:43

is based on my lack of skill. So my son

1:13:46

actually does a lot of indicator fishing,

1:13:48

and he's like, you're an idiot for trout.

1:13:50

I do a lot of swinging

1:13:52

wet flies. I tied a lot, and I

1:13:55

tie for myself and my son

1:13:57

and a couple of other people. So I've got all these

1:13:59

like super strong theories about trout fly. I

1:14:02

don't know if I'm a purist. I love to tie flies and

1:14:04

I always have, and I love wet

1:14:06

flies and I love main featherweg

1:14:09

streamers are the two things really that I spend most time

1:14:11

time anyway. Whatever, So that anyone you know

1:14:13

who ties, just asking what you tie

1:14:15

affects how you fish. So

1:14:17

if you're like super into tying hoppers,

1:14:20

you know you're you're throwing hoppers early season, even

1:14:22

when they're on the hoppers, because you tied it, and you've like

1:14:24

spend on when I'm thinking about how the

1:14:26

fish are reacting. Oh ship, it's purple this year

1:14:28

or whatever. You know, what I mean. So like anyway, I don't

1:14:31

do a lot of bobber fishing. I mostly

1:14:33

do walk up fishing. I just like walking

1:14:35

along rivers and streams um

1:14:38

so for snook. You know, you get out. We

1:14:40

have a lot of mangrove islands where

1:14:42

we live, so I just get out. I

1:14:44

always wait barefoot. There's really nothing

1:14:46

that will. You know, if you're sort of awake, you're not going to

1:14:48

step on a ray. You're fine. And

1:14:50

and I try to, you know, you see

1:14:53

the snook and then you try and fishing,

1:14:55

you're like stalking along the edges of mangrove

1:14:57

violence Oh yeah, looking for

1:14:59

the awake or absolutely.

1:15:02

And it's skinny water, very

1:15:04

very I mean, I have a flats boat I have which

1:15:06

actually sank tarping

1:15:09

my son's. I bought a Hell's

1:15:11

bay and I'm cheap, so I bought an old one

1:15:14

and I had a bait well. Now why a Hell's bay

1:15:16

would have a bait well, since I've never

1:15:18

heard of someone using a Hell's bait of bait fish, But whatever,

1:15:20

it had a bait well in it, and the valve

1:15:22

in the bait well was bad, and the boat

1:15:24

literally sank the second

1:15:27

week of May off an island in

1:15:29

Sherlotta Harbor as we were fishing with my son in

1:15:31

it, and it cost me a huge amount

1:15:33

of money to get it back. Have

1:15:36

you done that? You buy insurance for

1:15:38

it, which I never do because I know you

1:15:40

can't. It can be legally dicey

1:15:42

to walk away from dude. By

1:15:45

the insurance, I think it's fifty bucks a year.

1:15:47

It was like six thousand dollars to get

1:15:49

the boat towed back to the marina.

1:15:51

It was insane. It was insane. I'm still mad about it, but whatever.

1:15:53

Anyway, the point is, um, I

1:15:55

like to fish on foot very very much, and I

1:15:58

do think your catch raate goes down. I mean, obviously, the most

1:16:00

efficient way to fish just to have someone pull you stand

1:16:03

on the platform at the front, hold

1:16:05

your fly, you know, wait to see the fish

1:16:08

draw it across his nose, you know whatever.

1:16:10

But I fished by myself a lot, so I'm

1:16:13

happy to catch fewer at this age.

1:16:15

I mean, I'm so freaking old that I'm happy,

1:16:18

and I've caught a lot of fish. I'm I'm happy to catch fewer

1:16:20

fish, but be more fully immersed

1:16:22

in and is the is the mark the

1:16:25

over forty inches it

1:16:27

is for me. I mean, you know, anyone

1:16:29

who fishes a lot winds up in your

1:16:32

head kind of and so in

1:16:34

my head is like, holy

1:16:37

shit, that's a snook and and a forty

1:16:39

and stuff for some rea snooker one of those weird fish

1:16:41

where I think to get to that size there's

1:16:44

just like four standard deviations of

1:16:46

intelligence higher. So it's pretty

1:16:48

easy to fool like ay in snook,

1:16:51

just one after the other after the other, if you

1:16:53

can, you know, I I tie a and

1:16:56

Enrico Pagliazi baitfish that I think is

1:16:58

pretty compelling to snook. So um,

1:17:00

I feel like I can do pretty well. But to catch a forty

1:17:03

two foolist smoke that big, he's

1:17:05

just been duped too many times, I think so,

1:17:07

and I think and I just think it's just hard to get that big.

1:17:10

And I just know from my catch rate, I've

1:17:12

caught very few, like five

1:17:15

in my life. And I fished a lot in the same

1:17:17

place. That's the other thing. I fish in the same places,

1:17:20

so I know that I know the places pretty well. You

1:17:22

know, at a certain point you kind of know the water. And

1:17:25

um, I've cut very few stoked that big. So I

1:17:27

think that's the most exciting. I love tailing red fish.

1:17:29

We've got some environmental problems where I live with the red

1:17:32

tide, and I think it's really affected the

1:17:34

red fish a lot. It's very

1:17:36

upsetting. That's how to do with how they're draining

1:17:38

water off a job, right, I

1:17:40

think the golf courses. I mean, it's like,

1:17:42

there are a lot of theories about it. I mean, I could

1:17:44

bore you for hours. I won't, but there

1:17:46

are a lot of theories on it. I've actually got so upset

1:17:49

about. We did a couple of shows on it on Fox. I'm not

1:17:51

sure anyone was interested except me, but um,

1:17:53

I am interested in to use your platform.

1:17:56

What are quality matters? Like? All that can always

1:17:58

an environmentalist really really

1:18:01

well, then why aren't you upset about the water quality in

1:18:03

South Florida? Like and why is this happening?

1:18:05

Is is it? It's clearly it's phosphates from

1:18:07

development and golf courses.

1:18:10

It's the cutting of the mangroves along

1:18:15

the Army Corps dicking with the

1:18:17

drainage. You know, it's often the arm

1:18:19

and no offense. And I'm not against the Army Corps, and I think they do

1:18:22

you know, good stuff in a lot of places, but

1:18:24

boy, they they use blunt instruments.

1:18:27

We had someone on the show that did We had

1:18:29

someone on the show we recorded in Florida.

1:18:32

Wish I wish we could find that episode. It was someone

1:18:34

who's like they

1:18:37

took a memory, had them on. They did have like a historic

1:18:39

approach on it got into that big flood

1:18:42

in the twenties that killed everybody, and

1:18:44

and then everybody's like, Okay, so that's not gonna happen

1:18:46

again, and then like overcorrected and that's

1:18:49

exactly what that's And that's exactly right. And you

1:18:51

know, the Army Corps job is

1:18:53

not to make certain the water quality

1:18:55

is good enough to sustain a robust fishery.

1:18:58

That's kind of not what they're thinking that It was

1:19:00

like, you know, hundreds of people got killed. That's exactly

1:19:02

right. And Florida has a lot of water

1:19:04

related drama. There's just a lot of water

1:19:07

in Florida. That's complex. But you

1:19:09

know, I've seen him do this a couple of times. There was a hurricane

1:19:11

up in northern New England where we live, maybe

1:19:14

fifteen years ago. I can't I can't really remember

1:19:16

about fifteen years ago. And they

1:19:18

had massive flooding in Vermont,

1:19:21

and Vermont had all these you know,

1:19:23

pretty blue lines of small

1:19:25

board trout streams that are just and I like small

1:19:27

stream fishing very much. You know, you get

1:19:29

your came three weight and go, you

1:19:32

know what I mean, like throw for Brookies and the Army

1:19:34

corpsyman and basically paved all the streams.

1:19:37

I'm overstating that slightly, but they they're just like, well,

1:19:39

we have a problem with these streams are flooding the towns, and

1:19:42

we're just going to take all the obstructions out what so

1:19:45

that you know, you you bring earth moving equipment

1:19:47

into a into a stream really

1:19:50

and flatten it out, because thank

1:19:53

you, that's exactly right. So really I'm

1:19:55

not attacking them. I think there's probably a lot of

1:19:57

good people the Army corp of engineers, but they're they're

1:19:59

not thinking about the effects on

1:20:01

on the fishery and that was distressing

1:20:04

their task with the

1:20:06

town floods, their

1:20:08

engineers and but you just have to And by the way,

1:20:11

I'm not I'm probably

1:20:13

a little more on the Ted Kazinski side if the equation

1:20:15

actually when it comes to development, actually a lot more

1:20:17

of him being totally honest Montana

1:20:19

guy. For a while he was a

1:20:21

Montana guy and and obviously a bad

1:20:23

person and kill people, and I'm totally opposed to that. But also,

1:20:26

you know, not a stupid person at all, and

1:20:29

a and a very deep person and an interesting person

1:20:31

with a lot of anyway whatever, don't keep me going. But um,

1:20:34

but I think you know, people have a right to have houses,

1:20:36

and people want to live in pretty places, and you can't

1:20:38

stop all development. You should stop all strip

1:20:40

malls and dollar stores obviously, but

1:20:42

you can't stop all development. And people

1:20:45

want to golf. I get it. So

1:20:47

you've got competing imperatives and desires

1:20:50

and it's a country three million people.

1:20:52

It can't just be about you know, fifty

1:20:54

two year old fly fisherman. Okay,

1:20:56

I get it. On the other hand,

1:20:58

like the views of fifty two five fisherman

1:21:01

should all should be represented. I

1:21:03

think they should be. We should

1:21:05

have Spencer on sometime just to talk about why he likes

1:21:07

a golf golfing

1:21:12

segment. Oh, I think that's

1:21:14

was that episode one oh seven Saving the Evergladesh

1:21:20

ever? Was that name of the show. Yeah,

1:21:23

they did, they didn't. I thought they did a very good job. We

1:21:25

had a couple of people various subjects,

1:21:28

Kelly Ralston, Matt Cook, you

1:21:31

and Yanni and Fort Lauderdale. That's correct, Okay,

1:21:33

Saving the Everglades episode one of seven.

1:21:36

Uh did you learn? Did you? Uh? Your dad got

1:21:38

you started in fishing? Yeah,

1:21:40

because his dad into it. Uh

1:21:42

No, Actually, my father was an orphan who

1:21:45

spent his early life in an orphanage. So no,

1:21:47

wait really yeah, yeah, the home

1:21:50

for little wanderers in real name.

1:21:53

How what happened? How'd that go down? Well?

1:21:56

He actually found out later his mother

1:21:58

was just really really young, mid

1:22:00

teens, and um,

1:22:03

she was the Swedish girl, and she got pregnant

1:22:05

and and so

1:22:08

her parents made her put the baby

1:22:10

up for adoption and wound up in this

1:22:12

orphanage. So he grew up in foster

1:22:14

homes, an orphanage, then ultimately was adopted.

1:22:17

Your kid. You know, have you

1:22:19

read your your dad's

1:22:21

Wikipedia page? I've never read

1:22:23

Wikipedia, saying I don't read a single word about

1:22:25

myself for my family, not one time. Okay, the

1:22:29

what you're saying like lines up with that page.

1:22:32

But my impression of reading

1:22:34

that was like this is out of

1:22:38

a movie, like it it's a

1:22:40

it's a tragic Wikipedia. Yeah, it's a

1:22:42

it's a tragic to hate that. The violation

1:22:44

suprivacy are just like to extreme.

1:22:46

You know, you're a public figure, I

1:22:48

know, but my family has nothing to do with it. I had

1:22:51

kind of this lunit to your dad's a historical personal

1:22:54

My dad's a great a great man, and a

1:22:56

and a and like a real outdoorsman and

1:22:59

a really avid wing shooter and

1:23:01

and and a great guy. And but he was very intense

1:23:03

about camping in the woods and

1:23:06

you know, bird hunting and dogs

1:23:08

especially, always had always had bird dogs,

1:23:10

a lot of them, and highly

1:23:13

intense about it. So how did he because

1:23:15

that was that that wanted to being a result

1:23:17

of his adoptive family. Honestly,

1:23:19

I don't really know, because like the

1:23:22

things that are closest to you know, the

1:23:24

least about actually, but

1:23:26

I think when he was little, somebody

1:23:29

brought him to a Y m C. A camp in Maine,

1:23:32

and that had a huge effect. So then

1:23:36

you know, he left high school, joined the Marine

1:23:38

Corps. You know, didn't have credentials,

1:23:40

but he's very smart. So he went up in journalism because

1:23:42

they'll take anybody, and became

1:23:44

a fairly prominent and successful reporter.

1:23:47

At the l A Times in ABC News in California.

1:23:50

So we lived in California. I grew up in California and

1:23:52

southern California, and but

1:23:55

we had this camp in Maine because

1:23:57

he was he really felt it was important

1:23:59

to eat beans and be cold

1:24:01

and from New England, and

1:24:03

so we would spend the summers. We go from Lajoya,

1:24:06

California, which has got to be one of the richest

1:24:08

zip codes in the world. It's

1:24:10

all in the beach and everyone serfs and everyone's

1:24:13

mom like smokes weed at the breakfast table too,

1:24:15

And then we'd spend the summer in

1:24:17

this beautiful but totally

1:24:20

impoverished milltown where

1:24:23

they made clothes pins, no exaggeration,

1:24:25

that was the town business. They had a closed

1:24:27

pin factory which around a business or night

1:24:30

and there was never kind of any employment

1:24:32

since. And we've been in that town our whole lives

1:24:35

and it's just beautiful and they're great people, but it's

1:24:37

very much a sporting culture. I mean,

1:24:39

that's what without getting boring in one

1:24:41

sentence. So Maine after the Civil War, Maine

1:24:44

was an agricultural state. The Civil War happens,

1:24:47

you know, every other man in the entire state joins the Union

1:24:49

Army. I think that the highest enlistment rate of

1:24:51

any state. They leave Maine for the first time

1:24:53

and realized, wait a second, you can farm in places

1:24:55

where there aren't granite boulders every four feet and

1:24:58

the growing season is longer than six weeks. So every moved

1:25:00

to Ohio. So Maine

1:25:02

had I think ten million acres under cultivation

1:25:04

in eighteen sixty. It now has a million acres.

1:25:06

So the state went from like, yes, it

1:25:08

went from being a state of farms to a state of

1:25:11

of timberland, of paper company

1:25:13

land. So it was bought up by the Pingree

1:25:16

family of Massachusetts and a couple of others, and

1:25:18

the majority of the state to this day is owned by Timber

1:25:20

Holding Company. So in exchange

1:25:22

for owning the majority of the state and there's very little

1:25:24

public land and Maine, the paper company

1:25:27

struck this deal where if you live in Maine you can

1:25:29

use paper company land. There's

1:25:31

no sense of It's the opposite of Montana and Wyoming,

1:25:33

where you get shot for going on someone's land, especially

1:25:36

Wyoming. In Maine, you can

1:25:38

walk on to the land. It's like there's an expectation

1:25:41

I can just hunt on your land. I can fish on your

1:25:43

land, I can camp on your land. The only thing I can't do is cut

1:25:45

the trees. So it's the state,

1:25:48

but it's it creates such an interesting culture because you have

1:25:50

a state full of, like by

1:25:52

national standards, very poor people who

1:25:54

have amazing sporting

1:25:57

opportunities for hunting and fishing, and

1:25:59

we have this incredible They

1:26:01

reintroduced turkeys into Maine and they

1:26:03

just went crazy. Obviously moose

1:26:06

and deer. Where I lived, tons

1:26:08

of bears, lots. I saw a bear on my property

1:26:10

last week. I thought it was I thought it was a man. It was, so

1:26:13

it was black bears, huge bears. And

1:26:15

then we have trout and salmon, and then

1:26:17

in the fall ruffle

1:26:19

grouse, which and woodcock ruffle grouse

1:26:22

and Maine are called partridge for some reason. Yeah I grew

1:26:24

up when when I grew up, they would no

1:26:26

one calls them grouse, but they are. But they were called pats

1:26:29

patridge.

1:26:32

Yeah, that spelled a

1:26:34

A R. So

1:26:38

you're just like, you know, if you're working part

1:26:41

time in the woods, you know, cutting for the paper

1:26:43

mill, or you work at the dollar

1:26:45

store, you know, you don't have any money, but

1:26:48

I mean, you really have a lot of opportunity in a

1:26:50

way that they don't have out west. Obviously there's better fishing

1:26:52

in some ways, there's better hunting out west, but the access

1:26:55

in Maine is just incredible for normal

1:26:57

people, and it creates a really interesting culture

1:26:59

where or you know, people who work at

1:27:01

the middle fly fish. So like in the state of New York,

1:27:03

for example, you know

1:27:06

a lot of other places Connecticut, the only

1:27:08

people who fly fish are people who are rich,

1:27:10

you know. But in Maine, like poor

1:27:12

people fly fish and then tie their own flies,

1:27:15

and it's just it's a really neat it's a really neat

1:27:17

sporting culture. I think Karan

1:27:19

sent us a article um

1:27:22

from years ago where there was a thing in the Hollywood

1:27:24

Reporter about some guy that decided you

1:27:27

were fishing in Central

1:27:29

Park. Yes, I was, and

1:27:31

a guy was decided to make like a started

1:27:34

to film you. Yeah, and you had to explain

1:27:37

to him that I

1:27:39

had this gig where I worked in New

1:27:41

York on the weekends. So I would never

1:27:43

obviously live in New York because that's soul destroying,

1:27:45

but I had a job there on the weekend,

1:27:48

so I would go into New York and stay in a hotel for

1:27:50

two nights by myself, which is just like hell,

1:27:53

Well you're on the roddle out, you know, it's hell. And

1:27:56

I just had to get outside of with like driving me freaking

1:27:58

crazy. I can't, you know what I mean. So

1:28:01

I would walk up to Central Park with

1:28:03

my eight weight and try and

1:28:05

catch bass in the park.

1:28:08

Do you see a lot of people fishing there? No, I've

1:28:11

never seen a fly right there. So I would do it every weekend

1:28:13

I get off work. I hosted a morning show and then I'd

1:28:15

walk up to the park and

1:28:17

cast my stupid fly rod, just like feel better.

1:28:20

And this guy comes up to me. He's filming me,

1:28:23

and I thought, I

1:28:25

want to hit this. You know, it's such a violation of your privacy

1:28:28

fishing please, you know, God, it's like someone filming

1:28:30

you having sex. It's like no, no no, no, this

1:28:32

is the private realm. Like I'm not I don't want

1:28:34

to be seen doing this. And

1:28:37

it turned out he worked for Howard Stern and

1:28:40

he was fine. He actually later died of a heroin

1:28:42

o d weirdly or maybe not so weirdly,

1:28:45

but he goes, what are you doing And I said, I'm fly fishing,

1:28:48

and he said fly fishing.

1:28:51

He thought I meant like house fly. I was fishing with house

1:28:53

flies. He goes, where do you catch the

1:28:55

flies? And

1:28:58

I said, why don't. I was totally

1:29:00

confused. But he's from New York, so like he doesn't

1:29:02

know, you know, like he understands

1:29:05

subway Matt, like he's you know. He said he was an idiot,

1:29:07

and I said, no, I don't know. I tied the flage

1:29:09

what do you many times? So I showed him my fly box with

1:29:12

my stupid, you know, poppers. And

1:29:14

at the time, I had this theory about poppers

1:29:16

where I was gonna take sheet foam

1:29:19

and make the popper out of pieces

1:29:22

of sheet foam glued together, rather

1:29:24

than like doing him on a drummall tool or whatever. I had

1:29:26

this whole theory like I'm gonna create this new kind of popper or whatever,

1:29:29

very ugly poppers, but very effective. So I like showed

1:29:31

him my box of poppers. He

1:29:33

has regular buddies. Actually,

1:29:36

I I absolutely hated him,

1:29:38

but once he get the camera out, I was like, Okay,

1:29:40

don't be a dick trying to be nice and

1:29:42

he didn't mean any harm. He was just dumb and

1:29:45

you had to show him the poppers, because you never know who

1:29:47

your first investor is going to be. My

1:29:51

poppers at that point

1:29:53

they were awful. It's funny

1:29:56

how much mental disk space

1:29:58

I've like devoted to dumb question like

1:30:00

how to make the perfect phone popper? But actually

1:30:03

I'm not bragging. I've perfected it. You

1:30:06

take a nail, like a threepenny nail,

1:30:08

and you put it in a drama tool and

1:30:10

you just slide the foam over it

1:30:13

and then you shape it with sandpaper.

1:30:15

Well what was it you

1:30:18

put the nail on the drumal? Yeah, it makes you basically

1:30:20

you're turning your drama into a lathe.

1:30:23

I mean it is, you're turning it into it like a tiny little

1:30:25

lathe. Um,

1:30:27

and you can actually use like a jeweler's lathe

1:30:29

for it. But this is just way easier,

1:30:31

and you can. It's crazy what you can? I

1:30:33

mean, do you have a fish with poppers? I have. I

1:30:35

don't do a ton of fly fish, to be frank, but I

1:30:37

have for sure. You can get really carried away

1:30:40

with it. It's crazy. Um,

1:30:43

So I I obviously I need help,

1:30:46

um, but I think the more do you tie

1:30:48

hundreds of flies every year? Oh? Yeah, a lot

1:30:50

of flies. Quick quick

1:30:53

popper jump aside here some

1:30:55

I'm dying to ask you anyway. Uh,

1:30:57

you're year old man had a year

1:31:00

long stant as the ambassador to

1:31:02

the say Schelles. Yeah, did you get

1:31:04

to go to one of the saddest things

1:31:06

that ever happened? No, So I

1:31:08

went to college. That's like the if you're

1:31:10

into throwing poppers for giant

1:31:12

Travalli fishing,

1:31:14

it's like the best in the world. It's it's the destination.

1:31:17

That's what I went there for my honey. I

1:31:19

went there. We went to all Yeah,

1:31:21

we didn't do it right. We went to we went all three major

1:31:24

islands. We didn't go to any of the

1:31:26

off islands. You know what

1:31:28

I mean. We didn't go to like but that I didn't realize

1:31:30

at the time. I kind of was half thinking

1:31:32

that I would get it, I would throw it in. I

1:31:34

don't really, it's to go from

1:31:38

to go from the say Sheells to like the outer

1:31:40

islands that are famous for fishing. Is about like getting

1:31:42

from here to the say Shells. I mean it's

1:31:44

like a whole thing, but in like a dangerous plane.

1:31:47

Yeah, I mean it's just like it's not you know, just like

1:31:49

like go talk to the guy down to the beach and having buzzy

1:31:51

out there, you know. I mean it's like a whole different deal. So

1:31:53

I've been there but not really had a great time

1:31:56

though. Do you think it surprising? Most is

1:31:58

um um.

1:32:01

I can't remember what happened, but I had to go down and get

1:32:03

a prescription for something, and it was like

1:32:05

sixty six cents including my doctor's

1:32:08

visit for xannex whatever

1:32:13

they got going on, whatever they got going on for

1:32:15

the medical plan. I think it's highly subsidized

1:32:17

by tourists,

1:32:19

Like when something happens, they don't charge any money. I get

1:32:21

all my cody and coughs are up there. Yeah, like I got

1:32:23

like a like an antibiotic or something that I can't remember.

1:32:26

And uh, I mean so long ago,

1:32:28

it's thirteen years ago, but I do remember.

1:32:31

Oh, you know, we didn't talk about seth. What

1:32:33

the freaking squirrel hides? Man?

1:32:35

Oh, I'm laying here to

1:32:38

as a reminder. Do you squirrel hunt a

1:32:40

lot? Yeah? Yeah? What do you use?

1:32:42

Do you ever tie a fly called a squirrel tail? Is

1:32:45

that a fly? Is here?

1:32:47

The squirrel hair leeches? There's

1:32:51

there's one called the red squirrel nimph, that's

1:32:53

a good one. I used red squirrel all

1:32:56

My roommate and graduate school would tie flies

1:32:58

for money. He would have contracts to sell

1:33:01

them, and he would now and then he didn't hunt,

1:33:03

but he would now and then accompany me to

1:33:05

go out to shoot pine squirrels. And then you

1:33:07

take her fur and put in a coffee grinder

1:33:10

and make flies with it, make dubbing out

1:33:12

of it. Well, actually, pine squirrel, just

1:33:15

the pelt is like, it's an

1:33:17

amazing leech pattern. I've used

1:33:19

that, I've exactly, I've used that a lot. I

1:33:21

was use mink, which

1:33:23

is totally underrated for mouse patterns. I do

1:33:25

a ton of mousing in mid day, by the way,

1:33:27

which really they always tell you, oh, mousing

1:33:30

is for you know, spring creek at full two

1:33:32

in the morning. Bullshit, try

1:33:34

it at noon. I'm not no, No, I'm serious. I'm serious.

1:33:37

Swing a mouse pattern. I probably shouldn't say

1:33:39

it. Just cast across forty five degrees,

1:33:42

let it hang down, drag awake behind it.

1:33:44

It's insane, what I mean, it's

1:33:46

crazy. And you only get about three

1:33:48

casts and then it's like they're not taking it. Fine, move on to something

1:33:51

else. But I would say, at least fifty percent

1:33:53

time mid day, the

1:33:55

biggest trout in the pool will be like, holy

1:33:57

shit, and you hook up every

1:33:59

single time. I've done that all over the world and river

1:34:02

in the middle of the night too, totally

1:34:05

or waiting through a muckey. I mean, I've done this

1:34:07

like Silver Creek or you know and I or

1:34:09

whatever. You know, it's like famous for midnight

1:34:11

mousing. No mid day. Well, you

1:34:14

know we saw that was we'll talk about the squirrels some our

1:34:16

times. That beautiful job that it's gonna start a podcast

1:34:18

called Squirrel Greefe Podcast. Are you gonna send him in a

1:34:20

panther Martin and get your money? No, these

1:34:22

are for a different project. Uh, these

1:34:24

are for a friend of ours who's a squirrel

1:34:26

enthusiast. We're gonna send him a black

1:34:29

phase, eastern gray, gray

1:34:32

phase, eastern gray. Sure fox squirrel.

1:34:34

We're gonna send him the whole he's a squirrel

1:34:36

enthusiast, but somehow he doesn't have squirrel hides. So

1:34:38

you take the guard hairs out of this and

1:34:40

that's like amazing taste stuff. Don't touch

1:34:42

that one. Sorry, you

1:34:45

can look at it, touch it, but just don't pluck anything for

1:34:48

a guy named Guy we had. We had

1:34:50

to do a guy named guys up. I did this morning show

1:34:52

for four years. We had this guy come on once who like

1:34:55

worked at some bald eagle preserve.

1:34:58

We have a lot of bald eagles where we live. They eat my troad

1:35:00

and so I deeply resent them. But whatever, So he

1:35:02

has this bald eagle in the set. They're incredibly nasty animals.

1:35:04

I've never seen one up close, but they're really hostile,

1:35:07

and I think this is the burden new I didn't like it, and he

1:35:10

was like angry at me, and at one point he

1:35:12

jumps up and he loses a tail feather, so

1:35:14

I snatched up think. I was like, you know, you're not allowed to have that.

1:35:17

Only Native Americans can have it. It's a federal okay,

1:35:19

right, Okay, got it, So I bring it home.

1:35:21

I took it and tied too

1:35:24

wet flies out of it to soft tackles,

1:35:28

and those were the single most effective

1:35:30

for salmon I've ever fished. Bald

1:35:33

eagle. We did. I can't

1:35:36

here if we had him on, we had award none

1:35:39

uh, And we raised that question with them, and

1:35:41

he has he had this guy we had had on

1:35:43

twice in his career issued

1:35:47

citations for what you're talking about. There

1:35:49

were egregious examples. The

1:35:51

one, he's sitting at a stoplight

1:35:54

and the guy next to him has his rear view

1:35:57

mirror adorned with raft or feet,

1:36:00

so he pulled him over to have a chat. The

1:36:03

other one, he's leaving the grocery store

1:36:05

and it happens to be walking by a truck and sees

1:36:07

that the guy has a like a small truckload

1:36:10

of rafter carcasses, and so he waited

1:36:12

for him to come out of the grocery store to have asked asked

1:36:14

him a few questions, but he said, like, yes,

1:36:16

it's true. What those are The two times I was compelled

1:36:19

to like follow up, Well,

1:36:21

you can't be stupid. Whenever I eat

1:36:23

California condor, I grill it indoors because

1:36:25

it's just too provocative to put it on the barbecue.

1:36:37

What was that? We're on? Squirrels

1:36:40

talk about time, all kind of flies? What do you

1:36:42

shoot squirrels with? What do you what

1:36:47

do you think of it? It does too much damage? Man?

1:36:49

But but now I have a game point, like

1:36:52

solid point. I do like it, but

1:36:55

um, it doesn't I

1:36:57

own one and like it. But I fund

1:37:00

the emma never got as cheap as they promised it would.

1:37:03

You haven't noticed, you should go to the media dot

1:37:05

com and read a caliber battle I

1:37:09

actually have on caliver. So

1:37:11

tell me what this is. I'm not gonna tell you

1:37:13

gonna use this to drive traffic. Let me teach you something

1:37:15

about media, Tucker, Now we can we

1:37:20

could use this here platform to send

1:37:22

people to another one of our platforms. Sorry,

1:37:25

he's like, you know, indictments were

1:37:27

made against two senators and to find out to

1:37:30

go to my article see me on

1:37:32

TikTok. So we have a

1:37:34

caliber ballot's about the twenty two long rival

1:37:36

versus the seventeen h m R you can find on the meat

1:37:38

eator dock. Seriously, is that even a like?

1:37:40

So, what what are the measurements you're

1:37:43

using? He uses because

1:37:45

I shoot them both. We measure in three

1:37:47

categories ballistics, shootability,

1:37:49

and versatility and cost. I

1:37:51

mean it's you

1:37:55

factored in the readily

1:37:58

the abundance of two to three in low

1:38:00

cost. I read the article. Yes, that's correct.

1:38:03

Shootability means more than just like the recoil

1:38:05

or the availability of AMMO or an

1:38:08

actual word. It is on the Mediator

1:38:10

dot com. And you know who's great

1:38:12

with this series that we do, Garrett.

1:38:14

He is a good resource for

1:38:16

our writer Jordan Stillers. Jordan has a question

1:38:19

about uh using a

1:38:21

twenty two to fifty on a white tailed

1:38:23

deer, he will shoot, get an email, and Garrett always

1:38:25

has the answer, what do you think of that fifty

1:38:28

on a white tail? Uh? I

1:38:30

don't know why, Like, sure you can do,

1:38:32

but I agree, I completely agree.

1:38:34

I completely agree. Two fifties.

1:38:37

Are you think it's okay amazing

1:38:39

on white tail? Yeah? Yeah,

1:38:41

it's It's kind of like the whole argument with like six

1:38:43

five three hundreds. You know, how could you hunt

1:38:46

in elk with a six five until you've shot an elk

1:38:48

with a six five three hundred, and

1:38:51

it's very cis. People are like obsessed.

1:38:54

I can't handle any more caliber, so I haven't gotten

1:38:56

one. But it's like for good reason you're

1:38:58

saying you like, yeah,

1:39:00

man, they're legal rights, They're

1:39:03

just they're moving so fast. When that bullet

1:39:05

expands, when it hits, it's very catastrophic.

1:39:08

Like it's same like I said, six If

1:39:10

you've never shot one one a Weatherby's cartridges, you're

1:39:12

shooting elk with one of those and you're it's

1:39:15

just like whoa, that's it's

1:39:17

way harder than like people are gonna

1:39:20

hate this, but like then my win

1:39:22

meg kind of relate. Yeah, as far as

1:39:24

it comes out of it comes out of the barrel and a

1:39:27

thousand feet faster than than your

1:39:30

barrel life though, I mean, how many rounds can

1:39:32

you put? Like two thousand and then you're done. Yeah,

1:39:34

but they make your gun live ab as long as a smoker.

1:39:37

It's totally right. But it also has to

1:39:39

do with like all that is is heat, right,

1:39:41

So it has to do with how you shoot your

1:39:43

gun. If you went out with the six fifty

1:39:47

and shot you know, a box of Ammo

1:39:49

through it, and you just sort of wrapping rounds, then

1:39:52

yeah, it's gonna anyway at

1:39:54

this point, right, Yeah, well you'd have to be sponsored.

1:39:56

It's not too bad. I'm

1:39:59

serious. I but I got I mean I shoot a lot, a

1:40:01

lot, a lot, and I think about that. In

1:40:03

fact, I even got an eight million in mouser

1:40:06

because I buy a lot of Kurosa primary

1:40:08

ammo because it's super cheap, like you

1:40:10

know, Turkish am a Greek ammo from

1:40:12

nine forty. It's like I don't give a ship. I'll

1:40:14

clean my barrel with Windex. The gun costs

1:40:16

four hundred bucks, do you know what

1:40:18

I mean? And I can shoot and I actually

1:40:20

like the round, but I'm not going to get a six

1:40:23

five creed More because really I'm paying or

1:40:25

three even three in a blackout I wanted to get.

1:40:27

I wanted to get a Supressor in blackout because my friend was

1:40:29

one is such a fun gun. So I'm not going to buy

1:40:31

that AMMO because it just bums me out. It's

1:40:33

every bowling pin that's like I shoot is

1:40:36

two dollars or something. No thanks, Yeah,

1:40:38

it's just a lot of Yeah, they're

1:40:40

popular because they're good. They

1:40:43

are good, we're shootability

1:40:45

by Tucker Carlson. I'm just saying the cost

1:40:47

of AMMO. I was shooting a three

1:40:49

way the other day, which I really like. I like mine.

1:40:52

I actually have a I see your left handed

1:40:54

left hand and butts the only rifle I have a

1:40:57

left hand and bolt on it, and I like it. But

1:41:00

I'm just thinking, how much is a three weight round? Now?

1:41:02

Like? What is it? What does it called? Yeah?

1:41:04

Very but I shoot but all

1:41:06

my god, all my bolk right hand because that's

1:41:08

where they all come from. I was in my thirties before

1:41:10

I had one, and I couldn't get used to it. I initially

1:41:13

didn't like it when I got a left hand bolt. Do

1:41:15

you know why I bought my I've only had one, it's my three eight,

1:41:17

because it was cheaper. Honestly,

1:41:19

no one wants a left hand bolt I just

1:41:22

bought. I just bought a new seventeen HMR

1:41:24

that you ever shoot the Ruger seventy seven

1:41:28

like the model, and

1:41:30

I've got it in three seven. It's like probably my

1:41:32

favorite rightfalities, absolutely, and I just loved the

1:41:34

action on it. So I saw one in

1:41:37

seventeen and I was like, I just can't resist. And it

1:41:39

was pretty cheap, but it was right handed,

1:41:41

and I liked it better than the left but

1:41:43

it's cheap anyway. I just think the cast had

1:41:45

one of My brother Danny has it now in Alaska, really

1:41:49

because it was right handed. Once Motime made to switch

1:41:51

the left handed. Oh so you're all about that now? Now

1:41:53

I'm Joe left hand. I mean, I've always

1:41:55

been left handed, but now I got used to, Like, I

1:41:57

got over the impulse to lower the guns, switch

1:42:00

hands, work the bowl, which is once

1:42:02

I got over it. Now I would never go back. But at

1:42:04

first I'll just very because we shot

1:42:06

hand me downs, Like you grew up shooting hand me

1:42:08

down right hand. That's

1:42:10

exactly how I grew up. And now I

1:42:12

have so many right handed bolt

1:42:14

action rifles that I would like, what am I going to do with them?

1:42:16

All? You know what I mean? So I have to stick

1:42:19

with them. Yeah, we're

1:42:21

going on caliber's. Yeah, we got

1:42:23

a covering. Yeah, hey, walk

1:42:26

walk me through. Um

1:42:29

uh oh, you know there's nothing I want

1:42:31

to ask you. First. Do you argue about politics

1:42:33

of your kids? Not once, not

1:42:36

one time. We don't talk politics at home ever, ever,

1:42:38

not one time. I raised my

1:42:40

kids in Northwest DC and Washington,

1:42:42

d C. In the city, and

1:42:45

Washingtons are very I have to say. I mean, it's

1:42:47

a very screwed up place, and I'm glad I don't live there anymore.

1:42:49

But I spent many years the decades there and

1:42:52

it's a very pretty city. I mean, we lived right on a National

1:42:54

park. You would not know you were in a city. It's like it's a it's

1:42:56

a nice place stories kids, if you're going to do

1:42:58

it in a city, but you're right in

1:43:00

the middle of all this political drama. And

1:43:03

because you are Washington had this

1:43:05

pretty wonderful culture of nonpartisanship

1:43:07

in the neighborhoods. So you live

1:43:09

next to people because it's a trans and city,

1:43:11

so it's like people coming into work for this administration that administration.

1:43:14

The neighborhood that we lived in and raised our kids in

1:43:16

was like the permanent people who stayed and

1:43:19

because you're around it all day, you just

1:43:22

didn't talk about it at all. We would never

1:43:24

talk politics. In fact, it was like forbidden.

1:43:26

You don't bring that ship up at a dinner party.

1:43:28

And you know a lot of people with dinner party go over someone's house

1:43:30

for dinner. That was very common every weekend.

1:43:33

And like my neighbor was Hunter Biden's

1:43:35

business partner, and then Hunter Biden lived right down the street.

1:43:37

You know, we would never had many

1:43:39

dinners with Hunter Biden. Always liked him. Our

1:43:42

wives were good friends and we never talk

1:43:44

politics one time ever ever.

1:43:46

And you extended that into your and

1:43:49

my wife was always pretty resolutely

1:43:52

non political. Um

1:43:54

she's from Michigan, talks just like you the

1:43:57

car and the park and

1:44:00

um. And she

1:44:03

was always kind of liberal

1:44:06

but kind just not you

1:44:08

know, just nice person, kind of thing. Um,

1:44:11

she got way more political when in Tifa

1:44:13

showed up at her house. Uh, that

1:44:16

kind of radicalized her a little bit. But

1:44:18

but we just never weve gotten had never talked about I mean,

1:44:20

I don't think I've talked about my job with my kids a single

1:44:22

time at dinner, not one time. And

1:44:24

they sort of dimly were aware of what I did. But then,

1:44:26

you know, we lived in a neighborhood with you know, senators

1:44:29

and ambassadors and everyone has a kind of high

1:44:31

profile sort of political job in

1:44:33

the world that they grew up in and so and

1:44:36

there are a lot of famous people, and so my kids were just like,

1:44:38

they don't like that stuff. They don't like politics. Um,

1:44:41

No, we never talked about it. And because it felt

1:44:43

a little bit like if you're a porn star, would you come home

1:44:46

and be like, yeah, you'll never gets what I did today? You just

1:44:48

like, wouldn't. It's just kind of not for kids. That's

1:44:50

how we always felt. And by the

1:44:52

way, I don't think you should politicize your kids, Like what is

1:44:55

that you know? They don't know? What do they

1:44:57

know? They don't you know, they're not married, they don't have their own children, they

1:44:59

don't pay taxes. They don't. They can't even vote,

1:45:01

so like that are getting

1:45:03

them involved. I do find it hard

1:45:06

with them, um and deal with my own

1:45:08

kids when you talk about politicizing, because something

1:45:10

will come up and it's like extremely complicated, and

1:45:13

they'll pick up a sentiment

1:45:16

and I almost one of them be like,

1:45:18

no, even though that's a sentiment I

1:45:20

just expressed, don't have that sentiment,

1:45:22

well kind of because there's a whole lot of things that went into

1:45:24

that sentiment, and so just don't like

1:45:27

how old are your children? Don't ride your bike? Uh,

1:45:30

six eight and eleven? So I think if

1:45:32

I were raising my kids now, thank god I'm not.

1:45:34

They're all out of the house and all sort of happy

1:45:36

and well adjusted. But if I were raising them

1:45:38

now, I would push back against this ship

1:45:40

because they are they are. There are totally

1:45:42

unscrupulous people who are trying to politicize kids.

1:45:45

And I don't almost don't care what your political views

1:45:47

are. Stay the funk away from children. I

1:45:49

mean that, like, what are you doing? You

1:45:51

know, you're not allowed to have sex with children. You shouldn't

1:45:53

be allowed to politicize you know, their children, like stop

1:45:56

And people are so aggressive

1:45:59

in the world that I use to live in about

1:46:01

throwing propaganda in your kids faces and

1:46:04

laying these heavy duty moral trips on them and all

1:46:06

the stuff that is so wrong that

1:46:08

I think that if I had kids in like sixth

1:46:10

grade, and they were coming home and saying stuff and be like,

1:46:12

you know, fuck your teachers, honestly, fuck your

1:46:15

teachers. Excuse me, sorry, Like

1:46:17

I feel that way really strongly. I

1:46:19

think it's like, it's so immoral

1:46:22

to do that to someone who can't fight back over

1:46:25