A discussion about the Leela years in Doctor Who focusing in on Tom Baker and the behind-the-scenes change in the production office and how Leela's character's arc imploded in season 15, where ambition hit the hard wall of lack of money. Ben theorizes that K9 is the talking cabbage that Tom always wanted as a companion and may explain why he stayed on for season 16. While David wonders why Boucher and Holmes dropped Leela's "Pygmalion" storyline in their season 15 scripts. Opening and closing music is from "The Invasion of Time" soundtrack composed by the incredible Dudley Simpson. This episode was recorded 5 August 2020.