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The The

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The The

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The The

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The The Hey

1:24

again and welcome back to Northern

1:26

California's favorite wine country radio where

1:29

we play all the best and

1:31

most eclectic hits. I'm

1:33

Ted Williams, a guy with a golden

1:35

voice coming at you live from Napa

1:38

County. You just heard Ted

1:40

Hawkins 1982 classic Bring It

1:42

Home Daddy from the album Watch Your

1:44

Step. And you know what? From one

1:46

Ted to another, I think

1:48

I will bring it on home, Mr. Hawkins.

1:51

I've got to get out of here

1:53

and go down to see Dave Chappelle

1:55

and Blackstar headlining at the

1:57

Blue Note Jazz Festival. We've

1:59

been. We've been talking about it and we've

2:01

been giving away tickets and now I have

2:04

to go get in it. So

2:06

without further ado, let's do just that.

2:08

I hear they might even have

2:10

a special guest today. Before

2:13

they take the main stage, I'm going

2:15

to check out Dave, Yaseem and Kwaleen

2:18

on the festival grounds where they are

2:20

during the first ever taping of their

2:22

show, The Midnight Miracle, live in front

2:25

of a studio audience. With

2:27

these guys all in one place, it's

2:29

sure to be a miracle. No,

2:32

we do have a guest. I

2:35

don't know, he probably didn't know this, but this guy

2:37

is one of my favorite comedians that ever lived. He's

2:39

actually from Dayton, Ohio, which is near

2:41

where I live. Please welcome the

2:43

incomparable one and only, Cat Williams to

2:45

The Midnight Miracle. Just

2:51

to bring you up to speed, his name is Amir.

2:53

He's 11 years old. He doesn't drink. Pretty

2:56

tall for 11. We were just talking

2:58

about the complications of art and commerce,

3:00

which I know you're well versed on.

3:03

We've all been very successful in our

3:05

careers. And of course, there

3:07

are always things that people ask us to

3:09

do that might compromise us artistically. But you've

3:11

been very adept in your career, from what

3:13

I can see, of staying very true to

3:15

yourself. So the conversation is in that vein

3:17

and welcome, by the way. Thank

3:20

you. Yeah, well, it cost me 200 million

3:24

dollars approximately to make

3:27

the decisions that I made. But God showed me

3:29

a lot of stuff on my walk. So even

3:32

when I was a teenager,

3:34

he had let me touch a million dollars

3:36

already. So I knew that you could have

3:38

that and lose that and it not mean

3:40

anything and you not have things

3:43

to show for that. And so

3:46

I knew I was going to make it in Hollywood and I

3:48

knew what playground it was when I went in. So I just

3:50

wanted to decide the things that I wasn't going to do. So

3:53

well, give me like the broad strokes. What do you

3:55

say going in? Okay, I'm not going to do this.

3:57

Well, first of all, let me get it. Course

4:00

you're not gonna suck somebody dick that wasn't even

4:02

on the list, right? Sadly

4:06

I actually wrote that down on mine It

4:09

was number four mine was Bert virgin

4:11

asshole. I'm gonna come in with one

4:13

I'm gonna leave with one. Yeah, it's

4:15

out. I shall maintain my home and

4:18

and And

4:20

have and have done so I'm

4:22

so proud. I don't I know it seems like

4:24

nothing to you guys No,

4:27

no, that's a hell of a manifesto stay away

4:29

from my hand So

4:31

I wasn't gonna introduce my rectum

4:34

to anything and I wasn't gonna

4:37

put anything up my nose and

4:40

I wasn't going to Sleep

4:43

with white women no matter how wonderful they

4:45

were. I'm out So

4:50

now you have to understand that I

4:52

have read like 1700

4:55

biographies of black guys and

4:57

their trips to Hollywood and

4:59

in all different Boxers

5:02

and basketball players and comedians and

5:04

actors and I knew that

5:07

these three things Get all these

5:09

do like if you bend

5:11

over one time Satan is just not faithful

5:13

He's not faithful. So he's only going to

5:15

pay you one turn and now you belong

5:18

to him and that's it So

5:20

I didn't want the one time. So that

5:22

was the virgin asshole part Cocaine

5:24

I never saw the party parts that I

5:27

left home when I was 13 So

5:30

I was around grown men that were

5:32

in terrible positions And they were doctors

5:34

and lawyers and I'm talking to him

5:36

like what sucked your life like this

5:38

and that Cocaine and

5:41

so I was like, oh Mary you hear that and he left

5:43

the house when he was two years older than you But

5:46

we were the same height. Yeah You

5:49

can make it work if you need it But

5:53

yeah, so it was that and I

5:55

had nothing against white ladies, I'm from Ohio for

5:57

trying out loud But I wanted to be able

5:59

to to offer something to black

6:01

women that was some sort of

6:04

faithful because I knew that monogamy

6:06

is not part of my process. You gotta

6:08

know yourself. You gotta know yourself. You gotta

6:10

know yourself. So that was it. Didn't

6:14

once the fake deja pelt argue with

6:16

the fake Cat Williams on Twitter? Well,

6:18

what happened? What

6:21

happened was, okay, I tried to sign up on

6:23

Twitter and I put my name in and said,

6:25

this name is already in use. You

6:28

can't use celebrity names. I'm like, it's odd. So

6:30

I went to see who was using it and

6:32

it was a fake deja pelt. It's made out

6:34

like my pictures and everything. This is when Twitter

6:36

was brand new. And I thought, you know,

6:38

I gotta put a stop to this. But then I started

6:40

reading these things, tweets, and they were hilarious. So

6:45

I figured, you know, this will work out. I don't gotta pay

6:47

this guy or nothing. And I'll be getting

6:49

this good comedy reputation. And every morning I wake up

6:51

and get some coffee and just checking on Twitter and

6:53

see what this fake deja pelt fellow is up to.

6:56

Funny stuff every morning, but then he goes rogue.

6:59

He starts like attacking celebrities that

7:01

are friends of mine. And of all

7:03

these celebrities, Kat Williams, well,

7:05

Kat Williams wasn't having that shit. So

7:09

Kat and fake deja pelt start going

7:11

in on it. And the problem was

7:13

that Kat Williams was saying things, the

7:15

fake deja pelt that was hurting real

7:17

deja pelt's feelings. Here's

7:22

the asterisk of the story. Right.

7:24

Right. I finally, I catch up. I catch

7:27

up with Kat in LA. Do you remember this? And

7:29

I'm like, I'm like, Kat, can I talk to you

7:31

for a second? He's like, of course. And I go

7:33

away from shook. And

7:37

then me and Kat walk over in the corner and go, look, I just

7:39

want you to know I've never

7:41

had a Twitter account. I was like,

7:43

so the fuck what? I've

7:45

never had a Twitter account either. I was like,

7:47

what? I still don't have a Twitter account. It

7:51

turns out it was a fake Dave's film, the

7:53

fake Kat Williams. But Kat's fake

7:55

was funnier than my fake. They were great. They're

7:58

great. That's

8:00

a real story. You're the best storyteller. Say, let

8:02

me ask you this. This is a picture that

8:04

I saw recently. It was

8:06

you, Kevin Hart, and Chris Rock

8:09

with the goat on the stage. That happened.

8:12

That was funny as fuck. You know, Chris been going

8:14

through it ever since we... Let

8:21

me put that in context. You know

8:23

what I saw on YouTube recently? What?

8:25

This episode of Most Dangerous Roads. Okay?

8:28

She's one of my favorite shows in

8:30

the world. Whenever you feel like you

8:33

have one of these first world problems,

8:35

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8:39

the episode in Somaliland. You know what

8:41

Somaliland is? No. No,

8:43

of course you don't, because it's not

8:45

recognized as a country by any country

8:48

on Earth. They wanted to have

8:50

their independence from Somalia, and Somalia was like,

8:53

great, bounce. Good luck with

8:55

that. So they're their own

8:57

country. They're their own country, but everybody's like,

9:00

look away, because you're not a country.

9:02

You're a country only to yourself. I

9:04

bet you got a house there. That's

9:07

the thought. Right,

9:09

so check it out. There's a guy, I

9:11

can't remember his name, but

9:13

his job in World's Most Dangerous

9:15

Roads is to drive a truck,

9:19

right, with actual goods

9:21

and services on there, right? TV's,

9:23

everything for people in Ethiopia

9:25

and Somalia to watch. He's

9:28

got to drive it through the desert of

9:31

Somaliland, where

9:35

it's so hot that

9:38

nobody sweats, because

9:40

by the time sweat forms

9:42

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9:45

right? And then it's nice.

9:47

It's, well, dark. That's

9:53

a crazy place. Dark

9:57

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10:01

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10:03

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10:05

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10:08

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10:10

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10:12

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10:15

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10:17

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separate terms apply. If

11:45

somebody is the goat then that means

11:47

that everybody after them is basically like

11:49

what the underling. Are you asking if

11:51

everybody is the goat? It's

11:53

the goat shit is like the Richard

11:56

Pryor mile marker. Everything

11:58

before it is obsolete. everything

12:00

after it bears its mark. No, at this point,

12:02

the goat shit is like Netflix specials for comedians.

12:05

How do you mean? Well, if everyone has

12:07

one, is it special? Oh,

12:09

that's a good question that I can't answer

12:12

because I'm under contract. Now

12:16

I can answer, I'm restructuring. Yeah,

12:18

I can't. You take that

12:20

one. You know, there

12:22

was a law that I read in

12:24

1800s New York that was

12:27

illegal for more than three black men

12:29

to be in a public assembly. It

12:31

was considered a conspiracy. The gang. And

12:34

then after the exonerated five, I remember they

12:36

made it illegal for young black men to

12:38

be in groups of more than five. More

12:40

than five. Going wilding. Right. So

12:43

this whole notion is like there's only one chief and

12:45

a bunch of Indians is really boring to me. And

12:48

it doesn't really exist, but it's applied to

12:51

us so heavily. There's the

12:53

greatest rapper of all time, great comedian of

12:55

all time. Who do you like? LeBron, Jordan,

12:57

blah, blah, blah, blah. We're always

12:59

putting these Mandingo tournaments. Well, somebody

13:02

else always say, but

13:04

to be fair, the phrase, the goat

13:06

was coined by Muhammad Ali referred to

13:08

himself. I am the greatest of all time,

13:11

which ultimately many would concede he

13:13

was. This was a metric that was

13:15

unheard of before him and the brain. Right.

13:18

But he was, he became the greatest of all time because of who he was as a

13:20

man. But whatever it was, he said

13:22

it before the rest of the world agreed with

13:24

him. He said it as

13:26

a sales tactic. And I don't think that

13:29

he meant it. Look, there's

13:31

a book to sell the fights. Well,

13:33

yeah, he did. But

13:36

he meant it, bro. Listen, there's

13:39

a book I read years ago called

13:41

The Ali Reader. And the book was

13:43

basically every bad thing that the media

13:45

said about him when he wouldn't take

13:47

that step for Vietnam. It was like

13:49

when you read the book, it's like

13:51

this fucking thick of just fucking one

13:53

slander after another. Exactly

13:55

what it's like. And reading that book helped me

13:57

get through all the bullshit that I went

13:59

through. I saw how this

14:02

shit is weather, but as I'm reading the

14:04

book, I know that they're talking shit about

14:06

a guy that was absolutely right, and they

14:08

ultimately conceded that he was. And yet the

14:10

United States government, as Dick Gregory said, leaned

14:13

their entire weight. A

14:15

25-year-old kid, they deprived him of fighting

14:17

in the prime of his career, and as good as he

14:20

is, we'll never get to see the best

14:22

work that he had inside of him, because they wouldn't allow

14:24

him to do it. And it was also brazen to

14:26

say that about yourself in real time, as you

14:29

were making the legacy that you'll be remembered for.

14:31

Like, trust me, I'm working on something, and when

14:33

you see when it's finished, you will agree I

14:36

am the greatest

14:39

of all time. It's very inspiring.

14:41

In fact, they made Muhammad Ali

14:43

testify in front of Congress because they thought he

14:45

was cheating, because he had the ability to call

14:47

the round that he would knock someone out in.

14:50

He explained to them that this is a matter of

14:52

knowledge and conditioning, that I know I

14:55

fight 12 rounds, and this guy trains for five,

14:57

and this guy knocks him out in three. He

14:59

can't go. If I can get through the

15:01

first three rounds, he's going to get tired, and I'm going to fuck

15:03

him up. It's that. It's a

15:05

very remarkable thing that he did, and since

15:08

then, in any genre, it's never

15:10

been matched. Michael Jordan

15:12

didn't have the goal to say

15:14

he was the greatest of all time. LeBron never

15:16

said it about himself, although it is said about

15:18

him often. I hear what you're saying, and I

15:20

can't disagree. You've said it

15:22

before. It's not that you said

15:25

he was the greatest of all time, but I've

15:27

heard you acknowledge your acumen, and this, for

15:29

a black man, is damn near culturally

15:32

illegal. Okay, well, what I say is

15:34

this. If people see something that's greater

15:36

than me, I hope

15:38

that they are reminded of

15:42

the source of that greatness and all greatness,

15:45

and that it's not for me to

15:47

treat my gift like it's an achievement.

15:50

What I do with my gift is

15:52

the achievement, but even the ability to

15:55

make those achievements is a gift in

15:57

and of itself. Fair enough. So

16:00

what I'll say is there's something that

16:02

said in our tradition, whoever makes special

16:05

claims about themselves and

16:07

their relationship to themselves or to

16:09

others, it's been a false testament.

16:12

One of the greatest MCs never

16:14

said he was the greatest MC. Everybody

16:16

else said that about him. I mean,

16:19

John Colche never said it. Jimi

16:21

Hendrix never said it. And I often thought that about

16:23

Jimi Hendrix. But Jimi Hendrix knew it. You want to

16:26

know how I know he knew? Because

16:28

that motherfucker's first show in London, the

16:30

Beatles and the Rolling Stones and all

16:32

that motherfucker showed up. The Beatles had

16:34

just released Sgt. Pepper and

16:37

Jimi Hendrix opened with a cover of

16:40

Sgt. Pepper in front of him. I just saw

16:42

that recently. I am Sgt. Pepper, nigga. I will

16:44

teach your band to play. Niggas

16:48

know. Niggas know. It takes

16:50

a brazen kind of nigga to say, oh yeah,

16:52

I just did it. Boy, when you did it,

16:54

you know. I tell you one other story. This

16:57

is the Muhammad Ali story. Jeffery Wright told me

16:59

this story. And they were doing

17:01

Ali. He said they were in New York. And

17:04

you know, Ali at that point was the type of dude

17:06

he'd walk in the room in a whole room or just

17:08

stand up and applaud. It was like that. He

17:11

said, he's got in a taxi cab and

17:13

people are like, you know, near

17:15

tears and all that. And

17:19

Ali goes to Jeffery. He

17:21

goes, you see this face? It's the most famous

17:23

face in the world. He

17:25

said, Allah gave me

17:28

that power. And

17:31

the people who are best suited for leadership

17:33

are the ones that don't want it. And

17:36

the people who are best suited for greatness

17:38

are the ones who are humbled in the

17:40

face of their own greatness. The

17:43

ones who are like, how me? How

17:45

did this happen? It's not an issue. You

17:47

practice more or whatever because, you know, my

17:50

father said that people think Michael Jordan is

17:52

Michael Jordan because he practices more and so

17:54

on. So he said, you

17:56

know, Michael Jordan is Michael Jordan because

17:59

he's Michael Jordan. That's right. And

18:02

there's so many things that go

18:04

into making anybody great at anything

18:07

that you can scarcely really take credit

18:09

for yourself. You can take

18:11

credit for certain aspects, but even those aspects,

18:14

if you really, really are honest about

18:16

them and nurtured and supported by the

18:18

efforts of people who are far, far

18:20

in the background, you know, and

18:23

without them, somebody's your

18:25

3 a.m. in the morning calling.

18:27

Without that person, without that

18:29

support or their love or their encouragement

18:31

or their criticism,

18:34

you're now who you know yourself to

18:36

be. And you're certainly not who others

18:38

know you to be either. So you

18:40

know, tread lightly. We all walk in in

18:42

the same direction, you know,

18:44

on different paths, but you know, all ends. This

18:47

movie ends the same way for everybody. Whatever

18:50

good that you can do here, then great.

18:52

And if people can benefit from you and

18:55

want you to do, then great. But the

18:57

pound in your chest thing is even

19:00

Ali has to come off it at

19:02

some point. Listen, listen, the warrior celebrates

19:04

the battles he wins. But

19:06

the biggest battle is with yourself. It's not

19:08

with the that's correct. But

19:11

that battle is private. If you are on the

19:13

battlefield, you don't look at your opponent and be

19:15

like, I'm insecure about things. No, it's not it.

19:17

And then you tell them all the dope shit

19:19

you can do. I'm nothing. All

19:21

right. I'll say it for you. You won the

19:23

greatest rappers of all time. Well, I do want

19:25

the greatest rappers of all time. You

19:28

won the greatest comedian of all time.

19:30

I have no I have no problem saying

19:33

it to you. And

19:35

I appreciate that. I really really do sincerely

19:38

mean it. But part of it again, like

19:40

Ali, it's not just what you rhyme

19:43

in the mic. It's the choices you

19:45

make, the art that you approach your life

19:47

with. It's Kweli doing

19:49

200 plus dates and literally not

19:52

stopping until your body breaks down.

19:54

It's Cat Williams has taken a

19:56

million fucking shots in the media

19:58

and in showbiz. every

20:00

time I see him on the microphone, you wouldn't

20:02

know that any of those things happened to him

20:04

because this is what great men do,

20:07

consistently. Without complaining

20:10

about it or crying about it, it's not that

20:12

the shots don't hurt, it's none of that. It's

20:14

just the price that you pay to get

20:17

to be Cat Williams or Yassine Bay or

20:19

Tyler Quali. So now here we

20:21

are in the height of American

20:24

pretentiousness. I'm having

20:26

water. Tricking wines

20:28

in here, God bless you. Fine wines, fine

20:30

wine. I'm having

20:33

water. We have something that Napper's

20:35

never seen before, black audience. That's

20:38

right. That's right. You

20:42

would be better suited putting

20:44

your money on something that you do support.

20:47

And you would be trying to convince someone

20:49

else to abandon something that you don't.

20:52

Just love what you love. Because

20:54

you will surely leave it. One

21:18

of my favorite verses on that motherfucking,

21:20

well, you got some bars. That TMT

21:22

record. It's verse

21:24

you do where the bars don't rhyme and

21:27

I didn't notice till the fourth time I listened to

21:29

it. And I realized I've never heard

21:31

anyone do an entire verse like that. And

21:34

then I realized how effortlessly and fluently you

21:36

did it because you were being true to

21:38

something. That's not a formula

21:41

to sell records. Yassine was the first guy

21:43

that was like, fuck albums. They were designed

21:45

to sell record at an interval that music's

21:48

not naturally produced at. Please say that again.

21:52

They were designed to sell record at

21:54

an interval that music's not naturally produced

21:57

at. These are the types of conversations.

22:00

Yeah, personally, this intersection of art and commerce

22:02

is something that all four of us, I

22:04

think, wrestle with on a regular basis. They're

22:06

wrestling with us. Well, right.

22:08

Because the kings changed, the ministers changed,

22:11

the facts are in flux, the truth

22:13

is unchanged. And when they

22:15

review ancient civilizations and cultures, one

22:17

of the first things they review

22:20

is what was the art? What

22:22

endured from the artistic expression? The

22:24

Confederate money you can't spend anywhere

22:26

anymore. It's not even in circulation,

22:29

but the Confederate art made

22:31

in that era, even if

22:33

it contravenes your perspective on

22:36

humanity and etc., is

22:38

a currency unto itself. Because it's

22:40

a mark of a certain historical

22:42

era and it becomes like an

22:44

educational tool. All of these, you

22:46

know, picking any advertisements, all of

22:48

those things, they have artistic value

22:50

and a currency unto themselves because

22:52

they're educational. And many of them

22:54

have an artistic merit unto themselves.

22:57

Even in their racist, narrow

23:00

point of view, some say, as I said

23:02

before, art is a thing that people forget

23:04

they need until they need it. Right.

23:08

And if you live in a

23:10

society that reduces everything to a

23:12

transaction, then there's no

23:14

beauty. There's no life is amazing and full

23:16

of miracles. It's just like, you pay me,

23:18

you owe me. And you pay

23:21

me, you owe me as one element of

23:23

life, but it's not the sum total of

23:26

being a human being. And it's terrible

23:28

to pretend to be something

23:30

that you are not. It's

23:32

worse to pretend to not be

23:35

something that you actually are. And

23:38

no matter how you, you know, shake

23:40

it out, we are human beings. We

23:42

are not machines. If

23:45

we try to turn ourselves into machines, we

23:47

end up giving up something that

23:49

we really, really

23:51

need. And if we give it away

23:54

too fast, you might not be able

23:56

to get it back. See,

23:58

you got to be very careful. with

24:00

that thing and it's a lot of things that people say

24:02

you know you trade minutes like each year but it's a

24:04

high price small reward sometimes

24:07

the high price is no reward

24:10

sometimes you get the reward thinking it was

24:12

a reward you find out man it's just

24:14

an empty box of crack attacks so

24:16

just be careful in these streets man i

24:19

mean we've seen a lot of things happen

24:21

i've you know had a lot of examples

24:23

of power prestige and influence control and so

24:25

on and so on and so on um

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