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How's your Thursday night going

1:10

right now? Yes. We are recording this on Thursday

1:13

evening. Tell you a

1:17

very good night of basketball because

1:20

we are recording before the late games.

1:23

Right after the conclusion of the Boston

1:26

Knicks game. So leading into

1:28

this game on TNT, they were promoting

1:31

Rivalry Week. And

1:33

Shaq and Kenny and Charles

1:35

and Adam. All were kinda goofing

1:38

about it. And it made me think, Kevin,

1:40

you are younger than

1:41

I. When you see rivalry

1:44

week in the Celtics and the Knicks,

1:46

can only imagine all

1:49

of those games and all

1:51

of those memories that conjures up for

1:53

you thinking back to all of

1:55

those huge Nick

1:58

Celtics games, Like,

2:01

I I mean,

2:03

does this now

2:07

When you try to cook, like, rivalry

2:09

week, and

2:11

I get it. It's the oldest rivalry.

2:14

They did a good job at attempting to

2:16

explain. It's kinda, like,

2:18

say, like, packers, bears, though the packers

2:20

have dominated it. They've

2:22

played the longest. They've played

2:25

against each other for an amount

2:27

of time. But one of the things that we have

2:29

bemoaned over the years is the

2:31

lack of rivalries and

2:33

real, like, deep

2:35

seated feelings

2:38

towards each other. A part of that is

2:40

because the, you know, the names, the

2:42

faces, the jerseys are

2:44

interchangeable. All too

2:46

regularly. That seems

2:48

to be changing a little bit with a lot

2:50

of the guys that are the great

2:52

players in the league being in

2:54

the uniforms that they are in and

2:56

they, you know, there's been a course correction on

2:58

that where you feel like a

3:00

lot of guys are in the same uniforms,

3:03

especially the franchise. That's for a long,

3:05

long time. But when

3:07

you're trying to think around, like,

3:09

hey, what are the real rivalries

3:12

that we have in the NBA right

3:14

now? I guess that's just what you end

3:16

up with. Like, hey, these teams have played

3:18

against each other for seventy five

3:20

years. So let's just put that on.

3:22

Yeah. And I was, like, they're referencing, you know,

3:24

battles in the seventies and the eighties

3:26

and, of course, you know, back in the

3:28

early days, the NBA in the fifties and sixties.

3:30

But, you know, in my childhood, you

3:32

know, growing up for the Celtics, there

3:34

was no rivalry. I mean,

3:36

none at all. There was the they faced

3:38

each other in the first round twice

3:41

in the early twenty tens. Boston swept

3:43

the first one, the next one the other one in, like,

3:45

five or six games. I mean,

3:47

there's just a first round matchup against teams

3:50

that hadn't really had much of a history

3:52

because the Celtics sucked in the nineties when the Knicks

3:54

were good. And the Knicks have

3:56

not been really much of

3:58

anything ever since then. So there's

4:00

been no rivalry for really

4:02

thirty years now between the Knicks and

4:04

the Celtics, which is a real shame considering that

4:07

long history we think

4:10

about the rich history of NBA has

4:12

not continued at all.

4:13

Well, maybe just

4:15

maybe We might end up getting

4:18

a playoff series between these

4:20

two. It's in the cards. It's funny.

4:22

It could happen. It could really happen with

4:24

the way that the standings are. And

4:26

this was I thought a

4:29

great basketball game to

4:30

watch. Up

4:33

and down. Yeah.

4:34

Up and down. Lot of action. It

4:36

wasn't stopped all the time

4:38

with the reps getting too grossly

4:41

involved. And pretty

4:43

good flow to it. Guys making

4:45

plays. Guys taking good shots. Guys

4:47

taking goofy shots. And then, you

4:49

know, as it gets to the fourth quarter and

4:51

you've got this big Knicks

4:53

lead with about five minutes to go,

4:56

I'm watching my Knicks

4:58

fans Then I follow

5:00

saying, here we go again.

5:02

Tom Tibutow, stagging off

5:04

at snowman. Feel it comin'. They

5:06

could feel it comin'. Oh,

5:08

no. And it

5:10

ends up going to overtime and

5:12

they're able to pull away. And it's one of those

5:14

that honestly in the

5:17

moment would have felt like

5:19

that I feel like it would have been

5:21

extraordinarily crushing to

5:23

lose that game because I thought the Knicks played

5:26

so well in

5:28

that game. And then you

5:30

get to about five minutes left

5:32

to go and it

5:35

flips on them completely, and

5:37

they're able to get the win in

5:39

overtime thanks to some

5:41

jalen Brown misfree throws, and I don't

5:43

wanna put it all on him. But that that's the

5:45

biggest one. Right? I mean, he had the chance to

5:47

flip it there at the end. And

5:51

the out come remains with the with the with the

5:53

next win in that thing. And I don't

5:54

know. III was wildly entertained.

5:57

I

5:57

if that's what the games would be like, I

6:00

certainly signed up to watch a bunch of those when

6:02

we get to the postseason.

6:03

Yeah. It'd be fun if we end up getting

6:05

that. And with Randall playing at the

6:07

the past

6:09

all NBA level once again, the last

6:11

couple months now, the last month plus.

6:13

And Jamelyn Brunson looking like

6:15

such a critical building block

6:18

for the Knicks, playing at an all

6:20

star level on his own. Right? He may not, you know, he

6:22

probably doesn't make the team, but he's

6:24

playing as as an all star caliber

6:26

point guard. He could. He

6:28

could. He very well could. I mean, it's a deep

6:30

deep class. I mean, we'll talk about AllStar soon.

6:33

But, I mean, like, the

6:35

Knicks had a lot of quality and Emmanuel

6:37

quickly who we talked about on Tuesday with how

6:39

great he's been defensively this year for the Knicks.

6:41

He had a huge night off the bench for

6:43

for them tonight, and they'll be topping. It's

6:45

been up and down with him in terms of getting

6:47

consistent minutes, and that's that's a

6:49

tough part for Knicks fans that have to deal with

6:51

because you see the flashes of him

6:53

when he gets regular minutes and opportunity.

6:56

Tonight was one of those big moments. He had

6:58

a big shot down the stretch of the game. He

7:00

only plays sixteen minutes, but they may

7:02

have a lot of talent, man, up and down there

7:04

roster, you know, a lot of good

7:06

building lots, a lot of good pieces.

7:08

But what they what they really need is

7:11

is as

7:14

long as next day it's jumping on you

7:16

about IQ. Oh, yeah. I mean,

7:18

jumping on us.

7:18

Yeah. I didn't say anything

7:21

about building blocks. I don't even use that

7:23

phrase. I don't I don't think I didn't think I didn't think I didn't

7:25

either it's I didn't think I didn't either block.

7:27

I didn't know. Listen.

7:30

So listen back to the podcast. So I

7:32

was like, really, I didn't know I used that phrase.

7:34

The

7:36

experience love They're

7:38

young players. Love the wild players. I listen

7:40

back to that, and I'm like, we

7:43

were really like, he even prays

7:45

it quickly. We, like, really,

7:47

we're giving him well. But anyway yeah.

7:50

Yeah. The Knicks the Knicks have a lot of good

7:52

talent. And, I mean, I think

7:54

for Tim's, The final stretch of that

7:56

game, man, when Boston was

7:58

trapping or doubling Brunson

8:00

when he was bringing the ball the floor getting it

8:02

out of his hands. It felt like Davis was

8:04

making zero adjustments at all. Nobody

8:06

else was initiating offense. There

8:08

was no answer to it. It was just so stagnant.

8:11

And it's all it's almost shocking.

8:13

Like, when you watch the game, like, just on that,

8:15

you know, three, four minutes stretch, you

8:18

think there's no way New York wins this

8:20

game. No way. And and

8:22

even it's kind of surprising men ended up pulling

8:24

that out, but that speaks to the

8:25

way, you know, the players performed it

8:27

over time. They deserve all the credit for that victory.

8:29

I'd say, Well, he always got to get guys that

8:31

could step up and we thought this is

8:33

gonna be really tough for them

8:35

without Mitchell Roberts and we knew how he essentially

8:37

was. To what they

8:39

did. And Jericho

8:41

saves with the

8:43

fourteen rebounds. Oh, yeah. the

8:45

game, since it's

8:46

fun. Oh, I see

8:47

a building block. I mean, I don't

8:49

know.

8:50

I was

8:50

I was

8:52

I was texting me

8:54

with a source a couple weeks

8:56

back about since. Like,

8:59

after after Mitchell Robinson went out and he's

9:01

like, yo, you know, Sims, like,

9:03

you you we had talked about them prior. Sims

9:05

has been good. Like, when he ever gets

9:07

opportunities, he's shooting over eighty

9:09

percent from the field this season.

9:11

Seventy percent last year is a rookie. He does not

9:13

miss around the basket. He had the

9:15

big block at the end of

9:17

the game. I mean, Sims Sims has

9:19

some talent too. He does. Like, he's

9:21

a high flying athlete,

9:23

active hustles, And,

9:26

you know, I think we're seeing a lot of

9:28

him, you know, showing what he can do

9:30

for the Knicks in that game tonight against

9:32

Boston. He played big minutes,

9:33

man. Yeah.

9:34

Fourteen rebounds a big night and four

9:37

offensive rebounds. He has not he has not

9:39

missed a shot since January

9:41

eighteenth. So that's

9:43

in four straight

9:44

games. He's shooting a hundred percent.

9:46

Well, all he dumped it

9:47

every time. I know. But I know. But like but I

9:49

know. But guys who are at the rim

9:51

don't always shoot at that higher

9:53

percentage is all I'm

9:54

saying. It's like, you know, there's the

9:56

shots he takes.

9:58

Oh, like, he Well, hell,

9:59

I know he'd make a hundred said?

10:01

He he he's an ob literally

10:03

a like, we use the phrase above the rim. He

10:05

is literally an above the

10:07

rim. Guy. He might be an above the backboard

10:09

guy. Did

10:10

that not feel like we were about to get a

10:12

Jason Tatum game winner, though? Oh,

10:14

it did. Yeah. It messed up. Like Amazon

10:16

or set up. Especially after he

10:18

was named it AllStar Starter, before

10:20

the game. And they're talking about how

10:22

awesome he is. And this

10:24

guy and this guy is just a killer

10:26

and after they've gotten the thing

10:28

to overtime. It, like, really felt

10:30

like Tatum's gonna pull up

10:32

and they're gonna win this game and that's

10:34

gonna be the story. Of this

10:36

game. And instead, the Knicks get the win.

10:38

So I mentioned that he was named an

10:40

AllStar starter. Right after

10:42

the all star starters, were announced.

10:44

And in the Eastern Conference, you

10:48

had Donovan

10:50

Mitchell and Kyrie Irving as the backcourt

10:53

and then the front court, being Yanesante

10:55

to Coupa, who is going to be a captain

10:58

for the game, along

11:00

with Jason

11:00

Tatum, and

11:03

whom I miss it. It was an MB. Have a

11:06

Durant? Yeah. Durant. Does MB got

11:08

left out?

11:08

And the

11:11

reaction was like really strong I thought

11:14

immediately about

11:16

MB not

11:18

being an all star starter.

11:20

His numbers are crazy. I think

11:22

he should

11:22

be. I I had him as as a starter on

11:24

my ballot. I left Durant off because

11:26

of games missed That's it. I'm

11:28

a bit surprised. I mean, the

11:31

media last year

11:33

really drove, you know, the Marcus Smart

11:35

defensive player of the year. Trained.

11:37

Like, that that was hard at the end of the season.

11:39

It's a lot of tatum for MVP stuff.

11:41

And I'm not saying that's wrong, but

11:43

I was surprised you know I am

11:45

saying it's wrong. I wouldn't rotate him as MVP

11:47

right now. But, like, it's too early

11:49

to say whether that's gonna end up being the choice

11:51

or not. But I was surprised that

11:54

Tatum led the media

11:56

vote for the peace frontcourt. He had

11:58

eighty two media votes. Johannes

12:00

had eighty Durant had sixty

12:02

seven and then Embiid had sixty eight. So

12:04

Embiid actually had one more in the media

12:06

vote, but Tatum was fourth in the

12:08

player vote, third in the

12:10

fan vote, It's just

12:12

very interesting how it seems like the

12:14

media is higher on Tatum

12:16

than fans and

12:17

players. Well, I

12:20

think that, you know, let's just say this

12:22

about the about the games play thing.

12:25

You know, Durant

12:27

I wanna give him credit because

12:30

he doesn't

12:30

sit. He does

12:31

not at all. No. He doesn't

12:33

sit. He's out for injury.

12:35

He

12:36

is actually weirdly played

12:39

more games than Joel and b. I know.

12:41

It's not crazy. Four to

12:42

four, and I was kinda voting, like, in advance.

12:44

Like -- Yeah.

12:45

-- I I AllStar

12:46

weekend, you know, he will have more games. But

12:48

you're right. He's played more still, which is

12:50

insane. Yeah. Right now, MB just played

12:52

thirty five of forty seven games.

12:54

Yeah. So he's

12:56

missed. You know what?

12:58

Almost

12:59

well, I

12:59

mean, almost a quarter of his team's game.

13:02

Yep. Which is crazy to think

13:04

about because you don't I mean, you don't

13:06

think of this being an injury play

13:08

season by any means for him.

13:11

And I went through and looked at all of them

13:13

because I know this has been a huge subject

13:15

recently about guys sitting out

13:17

and load management, and everything else

13:19

that I thought Richard Jefferson very

13:21

good on ESPN today with his impassioned

13:23

speech about it and growing up

13:25

as a kid go into games and how

13:27

we always thought of that. And

13:31

so I went and looked it up. Kyrie has

13:33

played thirty six of forty

13:34

seven. These are the all star starters.

13:36

Donovan Mitchell has played

13:38

forty one of forty

13:39

nine. Tatum as of tonight,

13:42

that was fifty games. Play forty seven

13:44

of the fifty. Durant

13:46

thirty nine to forty seven, Yonah's

13:49

thirty seven to forty eight. So,

13:52

tatum by a wide margin. That's

13:54

by the highest percentage. And then

13:56

I do think you gotta give Mitchell

13:59

a little bit of a break simply

14:01

because his aren't

14:01

rest. His or his or

14:04

injury when he hasn't been

14:06

able to

14:06

play this year. It's not

14:08

like Donovan Mitchell is regularly

14:10

taking reshknight. And

14:13

Epi, still, he's

14:15

played less games than Kyrie. Mhmm.

14:17

It is kinda crazy to see.

14:19

I mean, like, I get it,

14:22

and Embiid is

14:24

having this unbelievable season. And

14:26

if somebody wants to argue, he should be in the

14:28

all star and somebody else shouldn't

14:30

then by all means, I'm not gonna

14:33

fight. I just think that

14:35

he he is he is one heck of

14:37

an example of what we talk about.

14:39

All the time, all

14:41

the time, which is that, like,

14:44

you don't know, you know,

14:46

one out every four games, you if you

14:48

had tickets to see him. You didn't see

14:50

him this year.

14:52

On the other side,

14:54

it was Luca Curry

14:57

Zion Yokich

14:59

and LeBron. LeBron's

15:01

played thirty nine of forty nine.

15:04

Yogich's played forty two of forty nine.

15:06

CURIES played thirty three

15:08

of forty eight.

15:10

Lucas

15:10

played forty four of forty nine,

15:12

and Zion has played twenty

15:15

nine. Of forty

15:17

nine. So look,

15:20

Yolked, Luca,

15:22

Tatum, there's your

15:23

highest percentage, guys.

15:25

But that on average,

15:27

you were more

15:28

than likely, you were gonna get to see them

15:30

play. In person if you had tickets

15:33

to a game or if you had to

15:34

admit for that matter. And,

15:36

you know, I've mentioned a couple of those

15:39

guys, injury is Injury

15:41

is injury. You're gonna miss games

15:43

because you're

15:43

injured. It's not just taking

15:46

nights off here and there.

15:48

You know what?stood out the most to me

15:51

of everything on all the ballots.

15:54

Trey Young, twelfth in

15:56

player vote for guards.

16:00

Only thirteen boats, equaled

16:02

a Tyler hero, less than

16:04

Zac LaVine, Drew

16:06

Holiday, Jalen Brunson,

16:08

LaMelo Ball. I would've

16:10

I would've expected trade I

16:12

get more in love from players, but he didn't

16:14

get it. Twelve. And the

16:16

player vote. Shocking.

16:19

Mhmm. And he's like, you know, very

16:21

popular with fans. Fifth, and

16:23

fan vote. He's a highest selling jersey and

16:25

all

16:25

that.

16:27

Well,

16:27

I mean, there

16:28

are a lot of players. Players

16:29

don't see it the same way because they're going because

16:31

they're going against somebody's side defense.

16:33

Yep.

16:33

But on the other side,

16:35

look at, say, Kyrie

16:38

and read his

16:39

Kyrie. Yeah. No. Number one in player

16:41

rank. Number one in fan rank. Number

16:43

four, and meteorack. So

16:45

what does that tell you?

16:48

The media doesn't feel like the

16:51

players or the fans.

16:52

Yeah. About Kyrie Henry. They've got a

16:55

and and look, let's be fair.

16:57

It's a lot of media that

16:59

are you

17:01

know, stand on a moral high ground when it

17:03

comes to stuff or they, you know,

17:06

they're dug in. On their opinions. Like in

17:08

the end, I think players have

17:11

always thought Carrie Irving is amazing.

17:13

And fans love watch

17:15

and employ. Yeah. And he's famous.

17:17

He's super famous. He's a

17:19

recognizable name and that

17:21

inevitably helps you on a balance. Just

17:23

like Dion, So there's absolutely

17:25

no business being an all star starter. We

17:27

all freely admit

17:28

that. When you've played twenty nine to forty

17:31

nine

17:31

games, you should not be

17:33

a starter instead of, say,

17:35

Devantis Abonis, who's got who

17:38

is leading his

17:41

team this year to the, what,

17:43

third best record in

17:45

the western conference at this

17:47

point and has been incredibly

17:50

available all year long

17:52

for that

17:53

team. But he does

17:56

he's not nearly as

17:57

famous. And so, I mean, he's gonna you

18:00

know, the fan bone fan bone got him.

18:02

Actually, media vote, I think the good for Subonis.

18:04

So you could tell media

18:08

voters thought more highly of Sibonus

18:10

than the other

18:10

two. Well, how about like, to the other side of that

18:13

Sibonus trade, Tyria Saliburton, he

18:15

-- Yep. was third in

18:17

media rank behind Jalen

18:20

Brown and Donovan Mitchell.

18:22

I had Halliburton as a starter. I

18:24

was surprised that he didn't get the nod. I mean, Halliburton is

18:27

the pacers. He is their system. He's

18:29

the engine of everything

18:31

and the success that team has had this

18:33

season. These twenty and ten elite

18:36

efficiency doesn't turn the ball

18:38

over. Good on

18:39

defense. Oliver and wasn't voted

18:41

AllStar, but he damn well deserves to make

18:43

the team. Oh, for sure.

18:46

And and I thought Gilles

18:48

Alexander is voting you know, I even

18:50

deserving. He's having even a better season than

18:52

maybe but he's obviously

18:54

going to be an all star. And if

18:56

you wanna say he should be an star

18:58

starter. You know what I mean? The the problem

19:00

is in the WestConference for any of

19:02

those guys, whether it's Skilledyside's hand or a Miranda

19:04

or anybody else. You're kicking out

19:06

either a loop a curry, and that's not

19:08

happening. Yeah. Do you think what what's

19:11

your what's your take on the position?

19:13

I mean, like, you got Luca listed as a

19:15

guard. You got LeBron listed as front

19:18

court. Like, you get Brown

19:20

listed as a guard, but Tatum listed as

19:22

front court. Like, for some of those guys, it's

19:24

really tough to distinguish with

19:26

what they actually do and what

19:28

what what slot they belong

19:29

in. Like, do you think maybe

19:31

I don't know. How

19:32

would you how would you handle in the future?

19:34

I guess this

19:35

is one of those things that comes

19:37

up dependent upon who is

19:40

in the

19:41

league. Right? So Shaq

19:43

gave this a passionate speech about out. NBA

19:45

should be there and there should be the center

19:47

position. You just eliminated the big man

19:50

position. So there's gonna be that opinion. Nearly

19:52

from -- Yeah. Fair enough. -- but but he's

19:54

he's wrong about that though because if

19:56

they if whether if they added

19:57

center, sure, he would have been voted But That's

20:00

a But but if they've removed positions,

20:02

he also would have been voted

20:04

starter.

20:04

That's fair about it. He would have been a starter.

20:06

That's fair. He

20:08

would

20:08

have been he

20:09

would have had more than the guards

20:12

even? Yeah. It it

20:13

likely I believe it probably would have

20:15

been him over Mitchell or Kyrie. I

20:17

mean, they've got there, like, whatever that is. Like, you know, that little point

20:20

total that's next to it. So was

20:22

his point total? His point

20:24

total was higher? Well,

20:26

no, because the way the vote was structured, because

20:28

he was in the front court with the Honest and

20:30

Katie and Tatum. But but if it were,

20:32

like, total players and all that, total

20:34

number of votes, if you're voting without positions, then,

20:36

yeah, like, he I I would

20:38

have expected him to be a starter. Like, he would

20:41

have been fourth or fifth instead

20:43

of, you know, fourth in the front

20:45

court.

20:45

Yeah. I

20:45

don't really get torn up about the whole,

20:48

like, how they get there.

20:50

It also doesn't matter

20:52

too much who starts. It's just it's like

20:54

you're in all all

20:55

It's a

20:56

it's it's certainly a

20:59

feather in

20:59

your cap. To be

21:00

an all star starter? Absolutely. Yeah.

21:03

But with the way the vote is, the way it's

21:05

structured when -- Right. -- you know,

21:07

players vote and fur

21:09

Quentin Grimes and Luke Cornett are getting votes.

21:11

Yep. Like, just the name

21:12

two players from tonight's game that we were just

21:15

watching. I mean, what they

21:16

To be honest, I was kind of impressed

21:18

with that. It feels to me just

21:20

by looking at

21:21

it. The players took it much more

21:24

seriously than I would have

21:26

suspected.

21:28

Honestly, I have been

21:29

I I will tell you I have been with

21:32

players when they filled out

21:34

their ballot.

21:34

Back in the day,

21:38

and they just would not they refused to give

21:40

anybody any

21:41

credit. They would just vote for freaking

21:43

loop written hour and

21:45

do whatever. Like, they didn't name

21:47

it. Just

21:48

to and their teammates and

21:50

if they could, if

21:52

they or or former teammates

21:54

Check on it. Check on. We're gonna have four

21:56

votes. I

21:58

mean, that's funny. I mean, so I I'm

21:59

not saying everybody across the board. It

22:02

is funny, but

22:02

why why is even on the ballot? Like,

22:05

why why is Marcus Morris on

22:07

the ballot? I

22:08

have no idea. You

22:08

know, it's like, well, you know, I just I I don't think I

22:11

just think, you know, those players all

22:13

So yoga could mockingly

22:14

vote for him or something. Maybe Yeah. I

22:16

don't know. It's goofy. Who

22:18

knows. But I yeah. I

22:20

don't really care how you do it. You don't I

22:22

mean, ultimately, the teams are Pretty

22:25

good. Like, they're pretty close. I I'm not stressing

22:27

too hard about it now. Alright.

22:31

way they announced this for those that don't

22:34

know is that this year,

22:36

instead of doing the TNT

22:37

thing, which did end

22:39

end up having some great

22:42

drama. This

22:42

will be their better kicking teams. This is

22:44

gonna be even better because the two captains,

22:46

LeBron and Johannes, are gonna go out on the court, and it's just like

22:48

you're playing pick

22:49

up. The only way this

22:50

won't work is if they actually did it in

22:53

advance. That's

22:53

how that

22:54

that then it won't be cool.

22:56

That that won't

22:58

be cool. They gotta do it organically in

23:01

my opinion.

23:02

If they do it in advance, I

23:04

think that's gonna take all the fun out of it and it'll

23:06

just be lame.

23:07

Here's one thing

23:09

that went to my mind though, Kevin.

23:11

You

23:12

know they're always about the almighty dollar

23:14

sign. Right?

23:15

Mhmm. So

23:16

I saw somebody posted like the

23:19

Jersey's. I don't like

23:20

it. That's

23:21

neither here nor

23:23

there. I don't like it. I think they

23:25

would. Cheap again. That's my

23:28

opinion. I like the old school

23:29

ones, like the ones that they, you know, I

23:32

I like the retro looking

23:33

ones. And

23:34

I felt like they took a lot more time with the Jersey's

23:36

longer than that. Oh, I see. Okay. I

23:38

don't like The the bill is

23:39

cheap. The blue. Yeah.

23:40

Yeah. They're alright. They look they look

23:43

like

23:43

there's something that they give you a gym class

23:45

to throw on, you know.

23:48

Yeah. When

23:49

know what you mean. The classic one. Like

23:51

like a penny. And then what they're calling they

23:53

called pennies. Do you have to put on over your

23:55

over your -- Yeah. Sure. -- it

23:58

kinda does have that look. That's

23:59

what it looks. Okay. So here's what I was thinking. So when I go

24:01

to the All Star game,

24:03

my son

24:04

always wants me to bring him back All

24:06

Star stuff. Right?

24:09

And I don't know why this went through my mind tonight,

24:11

but if they don't do it

24:13

the way that if they do it the

24:15

way you were talking about it, the way I wanna

24:17

see it too. Which is basically Here's

24:21

here's the case study

24:23

in. We got all these amazing players. We

24:25

got stand up on a wall like they're about to play

24:27

a pickup game. And now, Janice and LeBron,

24:30

they're getting to pick their teams.

24:32

Then we're gonna play the game. Right?

24:34

How do you

24:35

do the jerseys then?

24:37

Well, you have one made for each

24:39

team. They

24:40

can't do that. Yeah. They

24:41

want not. They Because it's because it's

24:44

because it's not authentic to what happened in the game. That

24:46

it goes stersees are a relic

24:48

of what happened in the

24:49

game.

24:49

Oh, you can, you know Who you played for? Is

24:51

it reversible? It might as well be

24:54

reversible. It it looks like, anyway.

24:55

I mean, you

24:57

they're talking about what I'm making these

25:00

on-site. That's what I'm saying. I

25:01

I know, but they can make one one

25:03

for each team.

25:05

They're not gonna make one Jersey for each

25:07

team for every player. Yeah. Why not?

25:09

They won't do that? I'm

25:10

saying, I'm worried it's gonna be

25:13

like yours. Where it is done in

25:15

advance. And that will

25:16

not be cool. And

25:17

because when we're walking in the Team Store, you know

25:19

how much money they make off those things?

25:21

When you walk in the Team Store in

25:24

Utah, you're gonna have all those all star

25:26

jerseys up there. And they gonna have

25:28

two for each

25:28

guy. Hell, they hardly have one for

25:31

each guy. It's a good point.

25:33

It's a good point.

25:33

So

25:33

how are they gonna do the job? Here's the

25:36

thing. How much money are they making from

25:38

those sales in the arena to

25:40

online. Because if they're making money from an

25:41

online, you could theoretically

25:44

say, go to NBA dot com store

25:47

now right after

25:48

the game's about to you didn't

25:50

know what Jersey they're wearing until they

25:52

picked their teens. That's what I'm saying.

25:54

That's what I'm saying. It's like that could drive a

25:56

lot of hype. Towards the site for online Jersey

25:59

sales. Like, it just launched online

26:02

now.

26:02

Yeah. They sell

26:03

them in advance, though. Just

26:04

selling those things tomorrow. Well, you yeah.

26:07

Well, you could sell them in advance.

26:08

You just don't know which one it's gonna look like

26:11

until they they pick

26:12

it. And Maybe

26:14

it's reversible. Well well, here's the thing, keep

26:16

it updated. Here's the thing, though, Chris. Like, to every

26:18

all the concerns we're talking about with the way they're

26:20

gonna do that. I hope they don't pick

26:22

in advance. Whatever way they get whatever

26:25

they have to do to make it work,

26:27

it it won't be cool unless it's

26:29

authentic. Where they're picking the team

26:31

on the court live and you see the

26:33

the immediate reactions from the players,

26:35

you see the discuss on

26:37

the face of a bonus when he's left to, you know, last

26:40

like, that's what I wanna see. If these guys know

26:42

which team they're gonna go to and it's just

26:45

about walking into where you already

26:46

know. Like, that's not cool. That's not like it is

26:49

at the

26:49

park. Yeah.

26:50

And they're also yeah. The humiliation of

26:52

it all. Well, that's what it should be like.

26:54

Yeah. Oh. And then that and you and you know that

26:57

player goes out and has a big game. That's

26:59

what it should

26:59

be. Could you imagine if they would

27:01

have gotten out at the end of James hard

27:03

and Rudy Go Bayer standing there. And there's that

27:06

image for the rest of

27:06

time. I know. Right.

27:09

Yeah.

27:10

I mean Oh, no. Well, go bare. I

27:11

don't have to worry about it this year. He's not making

27:13

the team. Yeah. That's fair.

27:15

But those those two guys are just

27:18

standing there. I don't

27:20

know. I

27:20

mean, look, it was bad and bad. I know

27:22

I know but, like, that image doesn't have to be

27:24

a negative. That image could be oh,

27:27

remember when he was picked last in the first

27:29

live all star draft he went out and

27:31

scored twenty five points and won all star game

27:33

MVP. That's what it could be. Yeah. Because in your

27:36

way of doing it, with with the way

27:38

you're talking about, there is gonna be like a

27:40

last

27:40

pick. Yes. They're

27:41

well, they're always in the last picture. And and it

27:44

was just done on camera split screen

27:46

style before. And it

27:48

feels

27:48

well, and it was just their name on a on a

27:50

And that means and that means nothing.

27:53

The actual walking across the

27:55

court to your team. Yes.

27:57

I know.

27:58

They won't let that happen. They they

28:01

better they better let it happen

28:03

because that's authenticity.

28:05

I know. I don't think they I think you're probably on

28:07

to something. They're gonna do the teams they'll

28:10

pick the teams in advance and then they

28:12

stage this thing because that's a

28:14

that's a

28:15

plan. The only way they would be able to

28:16

make the jerseys. And that's worse

28:19

than the way it used to

28:21

be.

28:21

Yeah. You're

28:21

right. I

28:22

agree. And by the way, if

28:25

they do, Do it that way? Maybe I can stay

28:27

corrected. But if they do it that way, we at least need to

28:29

see the video footage afterwards. Just

28:31

like with the NBA draft lottery where they

28:33

show the bouncing balls and the private

28:35

room. They released that on youtube at NBA

28:37

dot com after the live drawing

28:39

where they, you know, they bring out

28:41

the image of the team logo on the top

28:43

of the envelope. Right? Yeah. Like like, they

28:46

we gotta at least see what really

28:48

happened when the vote happened or the

28:50

lottery balls were bouncing

28:51

around. You know?

28:51

You want to see said,

28:54

Trey

28:54

Young. No. It's it's I I

28:57

wanna see that. I wanna see the

28:59

drama. I wanna hear the ooze

29:01

and eyes of the crowd and

29:03

the players. I wanna see the players

29:05

kind of whispering in the air of LeBron or

29:07

Yona saying, well, pick this guy.

29:09

Pick that guy. That that's what

29:11

it's like. When you're at the park and you're picking teams

29:13

together, it's like a strategy, like,

29:15

okay, who should I pick your Yeah. You're making

29:17

it. I know they're I don't think they're gonna either, but

29:19

they should. That's all I'm saying. They should, if

29:21

they don't, they're missing a big opportunity.

29:23

I agree. I agree with you.

29:27

Anyways. Alright. We started with this

29:28

Boston, New York. By the

29:30

way, Chris, if you're laughed, you're

29:32

an all star. Absolutely.

29:35

Be on it. Is that right?

29:37

I mean, I don't know.

29:38

It's all relative,

29:41

Kevin. You could say that. You

29:43

could say Hey, you're

29:45

the first girl that got kicked off that

29:47

dating

29:47

show, but you were on the show. You

29:49

know what I mean? Like it said, it's not

29:50

obvious. It's still it

29:53

is. Yeah. But that's not the game.

29:55

It's

29:55

it's all relative. You're still a combined.

29:58

These guys all have pride. I

30:00

know. Well,

30:00

right? Sometimes you gotta

30:02

swallow it. Fair enough. We

30:04

started with

30:05

that Boston New York game.

30:07

The day

30:08

kind of began with a

30:11

New

30:11

York story.

30:13

For people that

30:13

have not watched this, they

30:16

listened to us,

30:17

you gotta go watch any any

30:19

NBA fan or non NBA

30:22

fan.

30:23

You gotta go watch this thing that took place on

30:25

Good Day New

30:27

York with James Dolan.

30:31

The

30:31

owner of the Knicks going out

30:33

there and talking about Madison

30:35

Square Garden, their

30:38

use of facial recognition technology.

30:41

Kicking out fans at at

30:43

Madison Square Garden, Radio City

30:46

Music Hall, There's been a couple. So

30:48

Ethan Strauss on Substack, there's

30:50

a story weeks prior to that

30:52

about a woman and, you know, being

30:54

pulled away from her family and

30:56

friends because she works it for, like, an attorney's office or something

30:58

like

30:58

that. And that's that that was with

31:01

a girl scout troop at --

31:03

Yes. -- radio city

31:05

music

31:05

hall. Yep. same

31:07

group because she is part of a law

31:10

firm that has a

31:12

lawsuit against MSG.

31:16

And so, anyways,

31:18

this wild ass interview

31:20

on Good Day New York includes

31:22

James Dolan, like, just acting

31:25

like the facial recognition thing

31:27

is absolutely no big

31:29

deal. Basically said, who cares?

31:31

Like, you're you're at the game. You don't care

31:33

about these random people. And

31:36

For

31:37

those who don't know the backstory

31:39

on

31:39

this, people that have even, like,

31:42

commented online about

31:45

James Dolan, or posted

31:47

something on Facebook. Like, there's

31:49

a guy who

31:51

is routinely stopped

31:54

when he goes into Madison Square

31:55

Garden. This was in Ethan's article

31:57

because he

31:58

commented sell

31:59

the team on

32:02

James

32:02

Dolan's band. Facebook

32:06

pay. J.

32:06

D. So it's great shots.

32:08

So somewhat So so he

32:11

found the guy

32:13

that commented on his

32:15

band Facebook page

32:18

and got

32:19

the facial recognition technology

32:22

to go off

32:24

and alert security

32:26

basically when that guy walks in the

32:28

arena. And then they don't

32:29

kick him out,

32:31

but they talk to

32:32

him and let him know we

32:34

know you're here.

32:36

We're monitoring it and just saying,

32:39

yep. And so this idea that the guy is

32:41

using this technology to

32:43

exact revenge against his

32:45

enemies And meanwhile,

32:47

you know, there's all this New York state

32:49

law stuff that goes on with it and whether

32:51

they can use it or not. And so,

32:53

he just blows that off completely and

32:57

then goes into this

32:59

whole idea that

33:01

they are threatening because he's using this

33:03

stuff, his liquor

33:05

license, and he says,

33:07

we'll just do away with liquor for

33:09

a night. And we'll post the

33:11

picture of the CEO

33:13

that's in charge of this

33:15

and say, oh, you wish you had

33:18

a drink? We'll call this guy. And like,

33:20

what Good Day, New York? Hold up a

33:22

picture of the guy with the email, the

33:24

phone number, though. I'm

33:26

like, oh my god. This

33:28

but Thanos. And

33:31

he just honestly,

33:33

it struck me as a guy

33:36

that has absolutely no

33:40

idea how he

33:42

is perceived. Like,

33:44

I've always thought that

33:45

he, like, kinda knows

33:48

he's not liked.

33:50

I think

33:50

he knows he's not liked. Chris. He

33:52

knows. That's why this is he's doing all of this.

33:55

You

33:55

think so.

33:55

I feel like he when he

33:58

talks, it feels like he's

34:00

like kinda

34:02

on the fan's side and I'm doing

34:04

it for Knicks and Rangers

34:07

fans. And what kinda like we're

34:09

all in this together fight

34:11

the good fight against these beer crats that

34:13

just wanna get clicks and attention

34:15

and everything else. And it's like it

34:17

it almost like

34:20

comes You know, as to he tries to talk

34:22

like, like, I'm on your side type of

34:24

stuff to me. That's how it kinda comes

34:25

off. And that's what I'm

34:28

saying.

34:28

Like, And obviously, guys like that are surrounded by people

34:30

that refuse to

34:32

tell them the truth of how

34:34

this

34:34

looks. It's

34:36

bananas, man. III

34:38

couldn't believe

34:39

it, honestly. It it's like

34:41

one of those, like,

34:43

the stories

34:44

you hear about, like, these,

34:45

like, you

34:46

wanna believe,

34:47

like, everything you read. Right?

34:50

Skysawful, Skys

34:52

evil, This guy's malicious. This guy's out to get

34:54

people. You have the opportunity to, like, III

34:56

don't really have some I haven't watched

34:58

the million James Dolan interviews I

35:01

know what happened with Charles Oakley. I know with this facial

35:04

recognition. I know all the

35:06

stories about him. But

35:10

even then, You see the guy get interviewed

35:12

and you can be like, no. I don't

35:14

believe that he's a he he's faking

35:16

it. He's really

35:18

a

35:18

dirtbag. Deep down. But, like, he doesn't

35:20

come off like a fool in the

35:22

least. That's what I'm saying. Like,

35:24

usually, guys can, like, fake

35:27

it. Even if they're bad guys, you know what

35:29

I mean? Like, you

35:30

I'm trying to think of

35:32

well, it's not gonna

35:34

look. Even if I don't know

35:36

if you ever saw and I didn't watch the

35:38

whole thing, but I saw part of

35:39

it. Where, like, Oliver Stone did

35:42

that whole bit with

35:44

Vladimir Putin,

35:44

Like, Vladimir Putin might be the worst person ever,

35:46

but you wouldn't know

35:49

from watching that. Like,

35:52

you know what I mean? He knows how to

35:54

deport himself in an interview to where you wouldn't sit there and

35:56

watch and go, oh, my god. It's the

35:59

worst person ever. Like,

36:02

he's doing this interview. Whereas James

36:04

Dawn, it's quite clear he is

36:06

a heavy parent. It's so incredibly

36:08

clear that this guy is the worst dude ever. He

36:11

he's he's a tyrant owner who is

36:13

is trying to stop selling

36:15

alcohol at his

36:18

his events just so he could continue making a point about spying

36:21

on the paying fans that

36:23

go to those arenas.

36:26

And

36:26

so what I'm trying to say, you know, like, just so I'm clear,

36:30

geez, worse, publicly doing

36:32

an interview

36:34

than what? Spootin was when I saw it. I

36:36

didn't I didn't watch that immediately and be

36:38

like, this is the worst person

36:40

in the

36:42

world. I'm like, you know, made

36:44

some sense when he said that, you know.

36:47

It's like, this guy, I'm

36:49

watching it. I'm like, serious. Like,

36:52

who

36:52

is this guy? This

36:55

guy is ridiculous.

36:56

Ridiculous. I

36:57

can't believe how he's

36:59

acting. And then just defending these

37:01

actions. Crazy. It's also

37:03

goofy, all of

37:05

it. Oh, man. Right. I mean,

37:07

III wonder I wonder the NBA there because

37:10

they they would not say anything publicly

37:15

when Ethan wrote that story on his sub stack, House

37:17

of Strauss a couple weeks

37:19

back, you know, he asked for comments on

37:21

the story that was about to be released,

37:23

and Michael Bass said to

37:25

them There's no league wide prohibition on

37:27

facial recognition security technology

37:30

unless its use conflicts with

37:32

local laws. So that was the

37:34

stance the NBA league office took on it. I wonder how they privately

37:38

actually feel about

37:40

Dolan's actions over the last year or

37:43

so with that technology. And

37:45

I wonder if also they

37:47

have concerns about how if this spreads to

37:49

all thirty teams and what it could mean for

37:51

fans and what they're what they're gonna be able to do

37:54

with games. Who

37:57

knows? Yeah. I'm sure you

37:59

Hey. Hey. Look. We're never gonna be

38:01

allowed there. We just we

38:03

spoke name. Well, I'm sure at some point, inevitably,

38:06

Adam Silver will get asked about it. Like, at one

38:08

of those whether it's all star weekend

38:10

or the NBA finals, I would assume at

38:12

some point

38:13

Silver gets asked about it. And And that's and

38:15

look, and let me just say this, so I'm not taking out

38:17

of context. I ain't saying this guy is

38:19

a horrible dictator

38:21

murderer. He's not. I'm saying he interviews worse

38:23

than one. Yeah. Anybody who

38:26

listens to

38:26

this? No. That's exactly what you meant.

38:29

I'm like, shut up, shut up, man.

38:31

Like, it's very possible I can get taken out

38:33

of context. Like, anybody who

38:36

actually listens to show notes Watch your

38:38

maps.

38:38

We

38:40

got some stuff

38:42

to talk about. So we talked about Joel

38:45

and B snubbed. From all AllStar

38:47

starting. Well, his

38:48

team has been

38:49

great recently. That Philly team has

38:51

caught

38:53

a wave, Kevin. And now you

38:56

look up and it

38:58

is Boston in one and

39:00

Philly in

39:00

two. And it does feel like one of those

39:02

you and I were both very very high on

39:04

them, loved their roster turnover that they had

39:07

pulled off in the off season. And

39:09

it seemed like now

39:12

they've gotten everybody healthy. They've figured out how

39:14

to play

39:14

together. Boy, if they've got maxi

39:17

as a super sixth, that

39:20

is just such

39:22

a huge card to be

39:25

able to play nightly. You know

39:27

what I mean?

39:29

Like,

39:29

he is You know I

39:31

love Maxi. Maxi

39:32

is good enough

39:33

to be starting on Lord

39:35

knows how many teams.

39:36

I get it, the backcourt pairing.

39:40

With Kim and Harden

39:41

is not one that is Tenable

39:44

defensively. And

39:46

so there are better options or

39:48

better

39:49

mixes for that? That being

39:52

said, the luxury of being able to

39:54

bring that guy off

39:56

and

39:56

in many

39:56

cases, I mean, he could just destroy

40:00

second units by

40:02

himself. And they kind of figured it

40:04

out. They figured out, you know, a good mix.

40:06

They figured out how to play

40:08

together. And,

40:10

you

40:10

know, the team that we thought

40:13

they were going to be, that's

40:15

what they look like

40:17

now. I've been mega impressed with

40:19

them.

40:19

What do you think about the evolution of James

40:22

Hardin, Chris? You know, you've been the anti

40:24

hardin for many years now. What do you think about

40:26

his role and and really

40:28

fueling their success as a point guard for this

40:29

team? There is nothing you can send me. The

40:32

guy shoot forty five percent from the

40:34

field. He's

40:35

thirty nine percent from three

40:37

and he's eleven

40:40

eleven assists the game I think it is

40:43

right now. He's been absolutely

40:45

awesome, and he's clearly taken

40:47

a backseat to MB. You know, that was one

40:49

of the things at the beginning of the season.

40:51

It was like, Is it a big James

40:53

nine or is it a big MP9? Like, did they yeah. I will give him

40:56

credit because he is

40:59

clearly second banana. That

41:02

thing's gonna

41:02

ride or die with MB.

41:04

We'll see in the

41:07

playoffs. And, you

41:09

know, because MB has had

41:11

some play outs. Harden

41:14

obviously is known for play

41:16

outs, but, like, there's no question

41:19

who the number one guy on that

41:21

team is. And that was one of the

41:23

things that we didn't know, especially when they're

41:25

trying to, like, figure it all out

41:27

last year then he went out and then he

41:29

was hurt. And then this year at the beginning

41:31

of the season, it was like you'd have a

41:34

big James game, then you'd have a big

41:36

NBA game, and then Like, it's

41:38

MB's team. And

41:40

Arden just fell in line

41:44

on that. I've been super impressed. Super impressed. He's been

41:46

playmaking. You know,

41:48

he's still not

41:51

a boss defender by any means,

41:53

but just for a guy that has been a

41:56

number one,

41:58

you know, we saw glimpses of it,

42:01

for a minute where he was taking a backseat to the guys in

42:04

Brooklyn, certainly Durant

42:06

in Brooklyn, but then he seemed unhappy

42:08

with his plight there. And

42:11

I you know, I I can't. I don't know what his level of

42:13

happiness is right now, but I imagine

42:15

as long as they keep

42:17

on winning games. Oswell

42:20

that ends well, you know, with with him being

42:22

second banana on the team and

42:25

averaging twenty one

42:26

points, but getting you eleven assists every night.

42:29

I think he's been very good. Very good. Yeah. I mean, he's been

42:32

excellent and and the the supporting cast

42:34

around him as well. Like you mentioned,

42:36

Tyree Smacksie, coming off the

42:38

bench, but, you know, whether it's George's

42:40

New York, Shake Milton.

42:42

He had dival out there getting some minutes

42:44

to Anthony Milton, former Grizzly, who

42:46

you saw really shine Memphis nineteen points the other

42:49

night against Brooklyn Shopmaker, active

42:52

defensively, versatile, you know, the the

42:54

supporting cast around hardening and beat and

42:56

maxi is, you know, it

42:58

checks basically every box you can ask

43:00

for from this team and I think for them,

43:02

it it like, the hard and upbeat

43:04

pick and roll. That's really the

43:06

foundation of their half court offense.

43:08

Hard and upbeat pair up for the and

43:10

roll more than any other combination than the whole

43:12

NBA according to tracking data

43:14

on second spectrum. They dominate

43:17

the way teams typically defend them would

43:19

drop coverage, sometimes up to

43:20

touch, you know, icing those pick and

43:23

rolls. What's gonna have to change for

43:25

them in the post season? Is when

43:27

teams switch. And that's gonna really answer

43:29

the question of whether the Philadelphia seventy

43:31

sixes are gonna be an

43:33

NBA finals team or whether

43:35

they're gonna be a team that flames out in the second round

43:38

or the conference finals or whenever they face a

43:40

team like Milwaukee or Boston that is

43:42

gonna switch

43:44

every single pick and roll between hard and and the beat. Right

43:46

now, if you look at statistically, they

43:48

are not performing significantly better

43:50

against switches than

43:52

they did. Last season when they

43:54

were just developing chemistry with each other. However, though, it's still early, teams

43:56

aren't switching a lot against them right now.

44:00

And with the supporting cast, I think they still have the upside to become

44:02

a deadly team if teams

44:04

end up switching against them. So it's

44:07

just something to monitor. Because teams aren't

44:09

doing that heck of a lot against them right now, but that's gonna be the

44:11

key for post season

44:11

success. But as of now,

44:14

everything's clicking.

44:16

And then we'll also see in addition to that when you're talking

44:18

about them switching, there's gonna be

44:20

the extra attention in the clamp down

44:23

making life harder for those two.

44:26

Can these guys live

44:29

up to the averages

44:31

that they're shooting now

44:34

because these the the three point

44:36

numbers, you get a lot open threes

44:38

playing with hardening and b. And

44:40

the three point numbers are Unbelievable.

44:43

Maxim forty percent. Harris, thirty

44:45

eight percent. Milton, thirty

44:48

nine percent. Milton,

44:50

thirty eight percent. Georgianne Yang,

44:52

forty two percent.

44:54

You could go down to Tucker. He's thirty

44:56

nine percent. Like, they a house

44:58

thirty five percent. Like, they don't even have these guys are all

45:00

shooting pretty good percentages. And

45:02

it's like, that's that's the

45:06

trick. When you get to the playoffs, you know, those

45:08

those open threes, are those

45:10

guys gonna be as reliable as

45:13

their percentages have been thus

45:16

far because we've seen that happen a

45:18

lot where it's like, well, that

45:20

guy, man, it's crazy. That guy hadn't he

45:22

didn't been making any threes during this playoff

45:24

series. And he shot forty percent throughout the year. And he just can't find you

45:26

know, it's a different it's a different level and they

45:28

got a bunch of guys that

45:30

have been knocking it down

45:34

tremendous consistency? For sure. I mean,

45:36

they're fourth in the NBA at three point percentage right

45:38

now. And like, they're they

45:41

shoot near the middle of the league in terms of volume

45:43

and in terms of

45:44

attempts. You know? For Philadelphia,

45:46

they they get quality shots. And

45:49

they make a heck of

45:50

a lot of them. Well, that's how you open those guys up. Mhmm. Mhmm.

45:52

And and actually, it's a perfect segue

45:54

because it leads into what

45:58

we watched last night between the Warriors and the

45:59

Chrisons. And one of the things that

46:01

I have talked about a lot with

46:03

Memphis team is these

46:06

are the kind of games that are incredibly revealing. Much like what

46:09

the Knicks went through tonight in that

46:11

Boston game, they had a

46:13

think it was, five minutes left to

46:16

go. Memphis has a nine point

46:18

lead with five minutes left

46:20

to

46:20

go. And then they get out

46:22

sport like whatever it was twenty

46:24

to nine in the last

46:26

five minutes of the game. And it's yours.

46:28

These these are that that's

46:30

what playoff basketball looks like. You're gonna have to

46:32

be able to

46:33

score. You're gonna be able to score in

46:35

the half court. And when Jamirant

46:39

drives in and three

46:41

guys can collapse

46:44

on him, and his

46:46

choices either throw

46:48

a mob to Brandon Clark or

46:50

try to finish against three guys because the

46:52

only guy on the team that you can throw it out to and

46:55

reliably count on a

46:57

shot being made from Long

46:59

Range is Desmond Bain, and he's being

47:02

safeguarded. It's like that then

47:04

becomes revealing. What do

47:06

you

47:06

need?

47:06

Because that's that's the exact kind of thing that happens in the playoffs. And it's

47:09

just like what we were just talking about

47:11

with Philadelphia. Right?

47:14

When they when they're inevitably gonna collapse on an MB or

47:17

a hardened, is George and the

47:19

Yang gonna make a pay? For

47:21

doing that. Is Deethany Mountain gonna make them pay

47:24

for doing that? Is name

47:26

the guy. Right? The

47:28

others. Because those are the guys that get open

47:30

shots. That's where do the grizzlies

47:32

have a deficiency? Is when you get

47:34

into the half court

47:36

and a team that sells out on

47:38

Durant

47:39

and now It's like we're gonna we're staying

47:42

home on Bain.

47:44

Who are

47:44

the other ones that are gonna make

47:48

you pay? For doing that. And it's not Isaiah

47:50

Williams, and it's not the group

47:52

of a bunch of young better young

47:54

players on

47:56

the team hopefully, Danny

47:58

Green can help that situation. But it's

48:00

very

48:00

instructive. That

48:01

was The

48:02

Grizzly's the

48:02

Grizzly's had the twenty sixth

48:05

ranks half court offensive rating. That's

48:07

that's worrisome. It's because they don't

48:09

know shooting. You

48:12

know, that's that's one of the the remake of this Philly

48:14

team is that they got these guys are all

48:16

shooting and they're

48:18

making

48:18

shots.

48:20

They may go by shot. They don't have anybody except for Desmond Bay. How

48:22

how much of it is shooting versus, like, there's

48:24

a possession in that game against Gold and

48:26

say, where Jod dribble the ball

48:28

fifteen seconds without initiating a play. For sure. How much

48:30

of it is just on pause with his management

48:32

down the end of those the end of

48:35

the clock with those games? Don't.

48:38

He's still working for

48:40

progress.

48:41

And and I am a fan of them

48:44

playing in these close games

48:46

because they Honestly, they've had

48:48

it to they've had it very easy. They they've

48:50

killed people all

48:51

year

48:51

long. I mean, I can't test. I I bet

48:54

I went a month and a half without seeing

48:56

a close game. Truly.

48:58

Like, there was at least a six

49:00

week stretch where there might have been

49:02

like a game that went down

49:05

to, like, because those are the rebellions. That's when you find

49:07

out what you've really got. And if

49:09

you want to be able to

49:11

beat a golden state,

49:13

which is obviously what Memphis wants to

49:16

do and Golden State wants

49:18

not to

49:20

happen. Like, make

49:21

every excuse in

49:22

the world, like, you

49:24

just saw what it

49:25

takes in order to beat them. And you you had them

49:28

down nine five minutes not

49:30

to go, and you still couldn't do

49:31

it. So something

49:34

is something's gotta give.

49:36

And I do think that it will

49:38

be an agent for change. I

49:40

mean, I I don't think you I've said from

49:42

the very beginning, I thought they were gonna make a

49:44

move, and I don't think that they

49:46

will when it comes to playoff

49:47

time. I don't think they're gonna be going in with the

49:50

wing rotation you see now.

49:51

I think

49:52

there's a collection of assets, a bunch of good

49:54

young players. Those are win now players.

49:57

If you're

49:57

trying to

49:59

win now

50:00

or even last night for that matter,

50:02

you gotta have different

50:04

selection.

50:05

Than that. So about a couple weeks

50:07

ago, maybe a month ago, I I argued

50:09

with you about PASCALC ACOM or OGN and

50:12

Obi being a target

50:14

for

50:14

Memphis. How how much do you say? I just know why so look, I

50:16

from at the beginning of the season,

50:18

Kevin, I said I've coveted OG and Inobi. I know I know I know I know

50:20

I know I know I know I know I know I know I know I know I know

50:22

I'm off season.

50:24

Know about that stuff. I don't know why. Okay. Fine. Alright. Okay. But

50:26

it was the price. You said you wanna give up

50:28

three first or whatever for OG?

50:31

No. Three

50:31

first round draft picks. I'm really

50:34

saying. Why not? I I because I don't think

50:36

that's the price.

50:38

That's

50:38

not role player price, bro.

50:41

And you said

50:42

he's a role player. He's a he's a

50:44

pretty high end role player. But he's

50:46

a role player that's what he

50:47

is. OG is a true

50:50

building block.

50:50

He he's the fourth

50:52

leading shot taker on the team

50:54

if he's on Memphis.

50:57

more shots than ramping or

51:00

Jackson over the course of the next five. Yeah.

51:02

No. But he's he's an elite defensive

51:04

player. He's a thirty seven percent shooter

51:06

from three. He can make plays

51:08

off the balance, attacking closeouts, making

51:10

the smart pass. Absolute

51:12

perfect fit. I love it. Yeah. But why

51:14

not so why not give

51:16

three first for twenty five year old OG and

51:18

Inobi who fits the timeline of your young

51:20

squad that has championship

51:21

upside. Like, why do you why do you wanna lose in

51:23

the second round? Again,

51:26

we've got a league to worry about, and

51:28

I'm not trying to be Rudy Go

51:30

Bear Trading. You don't give up

51:32

three first rounders for role

51:33

players, bro. You know, so

51:35

alright. So let Golden's sake in him

51:37

for Wiseman combined against two firsts. They're not

51:39

dope. And watch them win another title

51:41

for goodness sakes.

51:43

Not getting for Wiseman Kamingo too first.

51:46

I

51:46

mean, fuck like what? What do

51:48

you think

51:49

you're gonna get o g for then?

51:51

Oh my god. What

51:54

are we talking about

51:55

here? So the

51:56

Grizzly shouldn't give up three firsts. You're talking

51:58

about

51:58

Kevin Durant. Talking about OG and

52:01

Inobi who I've But you it's

52:03

just gotten extreme. Like, boom. And and

52:05

maybe it is. And may maybe

52:07

I'm crazy. I'm I'm speaking from the

52:09

standpoint of this

52:12

is what people around the league are saying the Raptors are expecting.

52:14

They there's a Toronto star said there

52:16

was AllStar first round picks from

52:18

a mystery

52:20

team reported reportedly offered

52:22

Progen and Obi. Whether that's

52:24

just, you know, public negotiating a

52:26

leverage play by the Raptors front office or

52:28

whether it's three crappy picks Who knows

52:30

the actual truth there behind it? I've checked them with league sources about

52:33

it. A lot of mixed opinions there.

52:35

But the reality is

52:38

is that the Raptors are saying they're not gonna make a move until deadline

52:40

week and that their price is as high

52:42

as many people have reported. Three picks,

52:45

three young players, they want a lot to move OG

52:47

and Adobe or Pascal Siakim. So if if they

52:50

stand by that, if they dig their

52:52

heels on the ground and say,

52:54

no, we we're not b s in

52:56

here. We're just not gonna make a trade

52:58

unless we get that. What I'm

53:00

saying is, would you meet

53:02

that demand to get an o g

53:04

and an o b. If the answer is no, then it's

53:06

no. III agree. I would rather

53:08

not give up three first round picks for o g and an o

53:09

b. But if that is indeed

53:12

the price, Would you

53:13

The way that with the way they

53:15

draft The Chris said it.

53:18

It's insane. I know I know Chris, but at the

53:20

same time, Windows can shut sooner than you

53:22

ever expect. And and I'm not

53:24

saying that, like, I'm

53:26

saying that because we've seen John has

53:28

some scares. Let's

53:30

just be honest. I know he's only twenty three, but he's had some

53:33

scares.

53:33

Okay? Everybody thought Derek Rose was gonna

53:35

last forever too and he

53:37

didn't. play.

53:38

They that's not how you can plan, though.

53:40

Okay. I know. But the grizzlies are knocking on

53:42

the door of a championship right now, Chris. They

53:44

have a guy that you say should be the defensive

53:47

player of the year. Karen Jackson Junior. They have a guy

53:49

who is a clear all star in AllStar.

53:51

They have good role players. You

53:53

should be all in and trying to win

53:55

a title

53:55

now? Why would you not? I don't think that

53:58

it's going to be an issue, but I think that they're

54:00

going to

54:02

make moves. Okay. You're

54:04

asking me about a very

54:05

specific, which is do you

54:06

If I'm

54:07

giving up three first round picks in

54:09

any deal, I'm getting a

54:11

star. Who

54:11

you who you want them to get then? Like, well, who's your target? He's up

54:14

a star. I

54:14

would love to get Inenobi. But who's

54:16

your top target besides Inenobi? Like, is there a

54:19

guy that you have in mind? You're

54:21

like, I want the grizzlies to get this

54:23

guy,

54:23

and I feel

54:24

good about our title chances. So don't let

54:26

me j cry. If it's true,

54:29

If it's true that unanimous

54:32

could be had for an

54:34

unprotected

54:34

first, I would do that in two seconds.

54:36

Okay. I'm with you, totally. Two

54:39

seconds.

54:39

And I would do that before I leave. And I

54:41

would yeah. You would take me

54:43

literally two seconds to do that deep. I would

54:45

have done it

54:46

yesterday. Now now let let's say say,

54:48

theoretically, the pistons get three separate offers from three

54:52

different teams.

54:54

offering a first and, like, three

54:56

future seconds. Would you be willing to do

54:58

that? Sure. Okay. I

54:59

mean, they're asking if they're asking But

55:01

they've got

55:02

they've got seven second round pitch. So -- Yeah. -- those are

55:05

like I don't

55:05

know. Just just a second. Not a big yes. I

55:07

mean, I so you wanted another

55:09

name. There's another name. That

55:11

is a

55:12

bang. Knockdown

55:15

shooter.

55:15

Mhmm. We throw it

55:17

out there, a veteran guy.

55:19

He guard his

55:21

position. Knocked down. And and that's the knock against

55:24

OG. He's a thirty seven percent three point zero,

55:26

but he's not He's not knocked down. He's not

55:28

forty plus percent on a higher volume, like,

55:30

going on bugged down

55:32

a bit. So it's very possible the best fit for Memphis might

55:34

not be the

55:35

guys. I want any of those expensive. I want any of those

55:37

guys. I could throw it out too. I can I'm just

55:39

talking about space in the floor and

55:41

crunch done. Anybody I could throw the ball out

55:44

to, and I would be I'd bro,

55:46

I'd pull up the best shooters in the NBA

55:48

and I'd go through them. And I'd

55:50

say, can I get this guy? Can I get this guy?

55:52

And I'm not talking Dr. Roberson at his year's remaining nineteen million dollar

55:55

contract. That's

55:55

debt. I'd I'll

55:58

give you this

56:00

is gonna be a crazy one

56:02

because he doesn't

56:03

play all that much. But like

56:05

the Luca Nords of the world,

56:07

those kind of guys?

56:09

You just need guys that can

56:11

You

56:11

throw it out to him. You don't want that

56:14

dude shoot in open three.

56:16

You don't

56:16

want it happen. Like that kind of

56:19

I mean, I want shooters. I gotta be able

56:21

to I mean, yes, I want them to be

56:23

able to guard their position. But

56:25

they need some more shooting. And

56:27

hopefully, Danny Green, who has been

56:29

a great three point tutor on a catch and

56:31

shoot guy for length of his

56:33

career. Can help them dramatically. I'm supposed to come back

56:35

next week.

56:36

But you can't put it all

56:37

on date anymore. Of course,

56:39

notices. Come on. He's coming off

56:42

of forty years old. Yeah. He's a very

56:44

dangerous. He's actually thirty five. Yeah.

56:46

I know. I'm

56:46

kidding. I was like, I'm exaggerating.

56:48

No. He's younger than I

56:49

thought he was. Feel

56:50

like he's been around for a hundred years. Mhmm.

56:52

But

56:54

somebody else too. Yeah.

56:56

I I love OG.

56:58

I love shut down a bitch. I was like, you know, said,

57:00

I think you could throw the ball out

57:02

too, and I would feel like, oh, alright. That's

57:06

going in. Well, I'm I'm rooting for you to make a

57:08

move. The girl's list to make a move. I'm rooting for

57:10

somebody to make a big move. I I wanna

57:12

see somebody go

57:14

all

57:14

in. The window's open. I think you're gonna see a lot of teams try to go

57:16

in because it's open, because it feels open. I

57:18

think this is gonna be I think this is gonna be

57:20

a much better trade deadline than people think it's gonna

57:22

be. It's very possible. One

57:25

of those that we got a little hint on is

57:27

the Phoenix thing

57:30

because

57:32

Smart Ishmael. Ishmael.

57:34

Ishmael. Ishmael. Ishmael,

57:36

who's taking over

57:37

he's gonna take over before

57:39

the trade deadline. So that

57:42

gives a little bit

57:44

of clarity to the

57:46

direction that Phoenix is going to go.

57:48

Knowing that that's going to take place and there's going to

57:50

be you know, the power

57:52

is gonna change

57:53

over. Now, you

57:54

know, there's not that weirdness

57:58

of are we doing

58:00

this because of the owner we

58:02

have now who's not supposed to be running

58:04

the

58:04

team, but obviously still has power and all

58:06

his people are kinda still

58:08

employed. Or are we making these moves or are

58:10

we just kinda in a holding pattern

58:12

until the changeover of

58:16

power? Now that

58:18

Ishmael is gonna take over. Wouldn't you imagine a

58:20

new owner who's got his new

58:22

prized possession? He's gonna be super

58:26

aggressive. And and allow James Jones to make the moves that

58:28

he wants to make. You know

58:30

he doesn't look, first order business

58:32

is the crowder

58:34

thing. I ain't trying to pay a luxury

58:36

tax for ten million bucks that ain't playing

58:38

for me. So that's

58:40

gonna get resolved. And it'll

58:42

get resolved. Probably sooner than later,

58:45

now that the changeover power is

58:47

coming soon. And then

58:49

we'll see, but I would not be

58:51

surprised if Phoenix is very aggressive because of that.

58:53

You know, new owners always want. He's gonna

58:56

wanna win. He's not gonna we wanna be

58:58

a

58:59

five hundred team. You try to

59:01

spend that kind of money for a five hundred team.

59:03

And so I think you'll probably

59:04

encourage them to be

59:08

more aggressive than if

59:10

it had

59:10

stayed the same way. How about

59:13

how

59:13

about Jay Croder, Dario Saric,

59:15

for OG in OB?

59:18

And you send them free first round picks. Look at the suns. Would you do that

59:20

if you're Phoenix, Chris? Would

59:22

you do it if you're

59:23

the suns? I

59:26

I don't I mean, I would be worried about You

59:28

guys you'd be sweating balls as a grizzlies

59:30

fans. And if the sun if

59:32

the sun's got OG and

59:34

Adobe, or if the nah.

59:36

If if the

59:37

nah's got a You'd

59:39

be so scared. The Inanobe

59:41

stuff is going

59:44

bananas now. I

59:44

think you're I think you're underrating, Eugene, personally. I

59:46

I was like I I was like a fan of

59:50

Kim. Before

59:52

and, like, somehow, people

59:55

talk about him. It's

59:57

become

59:58

why? He's not Jaylen Brown, bro?

1:00:00

I know. But I he's I he's but I I think talk about

1:00:02

him. Like, I wouldn't. That'd be sweating No.

1:00:05

It's funny. Got him.

1:00:09

Fucking

1:00:09

stupid. I

1:00:10

wouldn't be still you. Oh, you're

1:00:13

winning a title if the press release got

1:00:15

him. Yeah. Would you be sweating

1:00:17

bully. He's one of the best defensive players in

1:00:19

basketball. He's a versatile. He's a

1:00:21

guard stopper. He's a

1:00:24

wing

1:00:24

stopper. Birdies, but

1:00:25

they are They're good. Because

1:00:26

they're not good for a

1:00:26

lot of it for reasons. Because

1:00:27

it did somebody else. I don't I don't need to

1:00:32

Yummy. No. No. You'll be jerking off when

1:00:34

somebody gets friendly. You'll be jerking

1:00:36

off if somebody gets Siakim. You'll be

1:00:38

jerking off if somebody got

1:00:40

Scottie Bar. You'll be jerking off

1:00:42

to get any of these other guys. This

1:00:43

is a lot of

1:00:44

chicken. But somehow, altogether,

1:00:47

they're not any good.

1:00:48

So What are these awesome players

1:00:50

that have value to

1:00:53

the moon, but

1:00:55

they can't win?

1:00:56

Figure that out. The wrapped the

1:01:00

Raptors' roster. According to

1:01:02

the media, worth

1:01:04

seven hundred thousand first

1:01:06

round picks.

1:01:07

Alright. We're talking

1:01:08

about one player. We

1:01:09

can't win. We're

1:01:10

talking about one player. Billing

1:01:13

into a stranger. Hey, god forbid. Don't let him

1:01:15

get him. I'd be I'd be waking

1:01:17

in my

1:01:19

purse. We're talking about one player

1:01:22

in a completely different context. We're not

1:01:24

just talking about the Raptors context of

1:01:26

their collective. We're talking simply

1:01:28

about if

1:01:30

the Mavs, or the grizzlies, or the sons,

1:01:32

one of these West teams, were to

1:01:34

act out of the pool. If if okay.

1:01:38

Alright. Fine.

1:01:39

He's helpful

1:01:40

to them. Okay. Alright.

1:01:42

But the step acting like it's

1:01:45

I I think

1:01:46

I think adding one of the best pencil

1:01:48

players in the

1:01:49

league would pretty big. I just this with it. Listen to people talk about Rudy

1:01:51

Hotchampura. Rudy Hotchampura is

1:01:53

not,

1:01:54

like, in the same breath

1:01:57

Oh, but they didn't know it. You

1:01:59

wouldn't have known that. You

1:02:00

wouldn't have known

1:02:01

that. That was I I

1:02:04

saw it. Championship peace. Rui Rui was really good to know.

1:02:06

Are they

1:02:06

now the favorite? But Jesus

1:02:08

Christ, they got Rui aja Mura.

1:02:10

They didn't get Kevin Durant

1:02:14

I don't know. That that's just Lakers' biggest stuff,

1:02:16

though. Like, like, like, all the Lakers fans and all that, that's

1:02:18

just playing to fans. That's

1:02:22

all.

1:02:22

I understand. Like

1:02:22

like I mean, the Lakers, of course, like,

1:02:25

wizards fans are gonna be disgusted.

1:02:27

Like, Rudy had a good game for the

1:02:29

Lakers. He's had good games for

1:02:32

the Wizards. But the wizard stuff, nobody talks about it. But, yes,

1:02:34

of course, they talk about it with his

1:02:36

debut when they had this massive

1:02:38

frontcourt with eighty, the Braun and Ruvi

1:02:40

Hatch Amura, looks versatile

1:02:42

defensively. They were big. They had shooting

1:02:44

on the floor. Rui played really

1:02:45

well. I can just debut. That's

1:02:48

that's undeniable. He

1:02:50

shut down the Japanese NBA

1:02:53

stream. Yeah.

1:02:55

Shut it down. Amazing. Find me

1:02:57

another guy that can

1:03:00

do that. We're

1:03:03

gonna have

1:03:04

a lot going on coming up over the

1:03:06

course of the next couple of weeks.

1:03:08

Just first round picks throwing

1:03:11

everywhere. I hope to God. OG is

1:03:13

one of them. No. God. I

1:03:15

hope so.

1:03:16

I mean, for

1:03:17

goodness. I I wanna talk about that

1:03:20

trade with Chris Vernon.

1:03:21

Might be the Memphis. You don't

1:03:24

know? They might not get rid of him.

1:03:26

Didn't you you reported? They're not gonna get rid

1:03:28

of him.

1:03:29

Who

1:03:29

would you? No. I I sent a report that I'm

1:03:31

not gonna get rid of them.

1:03:33

Yeah. Then Gary Trenton.

1:03:36

And Fred Van Plait. Yeah. Gary Trenton knocked

1:03:38

down shots. Yeah. Maligne Beasley can knock down shots. There's a lot of

1:03:40

guys I think that are out there that can You know

1:03:42

what I mean? It's what you

1:03:43

need. It's not

1:03:45

a it's not a certainly always

1:03:47

about the individual player, but how that individual player fits. Oh,

1:03:49

a hundred percent. Yeah. That's a that's a reason I've

1:03:51

always been high on Inenobies

1:03:54

because he

1:03:55

fits like a glove with

1:03:57

what Memphis

1:03:58

has as a three.

1:04:00

And if

1:04:00

I didn't have

1:04:01

to watch Dylan Brooks play

1:04:04

basketball

1:04:04

again, I

1:04:04

mean, there's

1:04:05

a bonus to that. Maybe I'd give every

1:04:07

first round pick for the rest of my life.

1:04:09

I enjoyed your pod with Bill the other day.

1:04:11

Bill and House I'm

1:04:13

glad Bill mentioned that we're gonna be doing a live show

1:04:15

in

1:04:15

Memphis. It's exciting. And then

1:04:17

they posted it on Instagram. I'm like, this

1:04:19

is real. I thought I'm sure that

1:04:22

they would not actually come.

1:04:23

Yeah. Come and bro. And then and then you and me

1:04:25

are doing a show in LA earlier

1:04:27

in March. Yep.

1:04:29

Yeah. We'll we'll

1:04:29

have more Taking the show on the road. Like,

1:04:32

who who takes

1:04:34

the show?

1:04:35

Like, fish. It's

1:04:37

still traveling. It's still doing stuff. I

1:04:39

believe so. Yeah. That's what

1:04:40

we're gonna be like. Mhmm.

1:04:42

We're gonna be like

1:04:42

fish except we're the only one with drugs.

1:04:44

No. That's not true.

1:04:45

IIII don't have drugs. Don't don't have

1:04:47

drugs. It's it's not I don't have anything.

1:04:49

I have not used any

1:04:51

marijuana since August. What?

1:04:54

No. I should believe me in the tweet.

1:04:56

No. Kevin O'Cannabas is.

1:04:59

You've you've abandoned

1:05:01

your name? No. Man.

1:05:04

I'm on I'm

1:05:05

on a long tolerance break.

1:05:07

And also, it's just Oh, so then it

1:05:09

could be so much

1:05:11

better. Oh,

1:05:12

no. No. No.

1:05:15

No. I'm really it's

1:05:17

also just a part of,

1:05:19

like, some overall life style changes. I've

1:05:21

worked out every single day thirty one straight days. What? You

1:05:24

know, whether it's like, you know, I've

1:05:26

done I've done

1:05:28

the bike every day almost almost thirty one days. Sometimes it got forty five

1:05:30

minutes, sometimes it's a ten minute, but

1:05:32

every day working out doing

1:05:34

resistance

1:05:35

bands, hit training. You're Peloton. Right? A Peloton.

1:05:38

Yeah. I love it. It's awesome. I love

1:05:40

it. Do you have

1:05:41

a favorite instructor? I

1:05:45

like I like Dennis Morton.

1:05:47

I like Charlotte.

1:05:51

And those my two

1:05:52

favorites. Alex is pretty good as

1:05:54

well for like a kind of a harder

1:05:56

workout. Do you have

1:05:57

Peloton friends?

1:06:00

No.

1:06:00

But I would I would be happy to add some. But you want me to go

1:06:02

look on, Chris? No. I don't

1:06:03

have. Yeah. I

1:06:05

don't. But I

1:06:06

I didn't know how it works.

1:06:08

You can't see anybody else, Candy. I have no no. Like, you see

1:06:10

people on the side when you're when you're,

1:06:12

you know, in a workout, you

1:06:14

can see the names of other

1:06:17

other other

1:06:17

usernames. You don't know their real name. You

1:06:20

don't know their video

1:06:21

view. No.

1:06:24

No. No. I didn't know if it

1:06:25

was, like, a virtual, you know, like, a thing, like, everybody's picture, like, you

1:06:27

know, was up on a board. It's

1:06:29

pretty good. I mean, I

1:06:31

I did this awesome workout with Dennis Moore the other day

1:06:33

where the last song was crawling by Lincoln Park.

1:06:36

You know that song? Yeah. No.

1:06:38

It's intense. Let

1:06:40

I mean, the ending. My heart was pumping, probably harder than it. It's ever

1:06:42

been. They get the meter on there. Look at

1:06:44

this guy. Seven of those cyborgs.

1:06:47

It feels good. You

1:06:49

got some little weird shoes. Yeah.

1:06:51

I

1:06:51

know. Yeah. You did. Clip on. Yeah. They

1:06:53

clip on. Yeah. Kevin will

1:06:56

clip on.

1:06:56

I'm with it. Alright.

1:07:00

Alright. Enough jerking off

1:07:03

talk. Alright. Time to It

1:07:05

was time to read a lot of it this

1:07:08

episode. Thanks. Thankfully, we didn't get to talk about

1:07:10

Killian Hayes.

1:07:12

Oh, Why?

1:07:14

You don't wanna talk about it?

1:07:16

I need

1:07:17

him no. I need

1:07:19

him around. I need him around forever.

1:07:22

Yeah. He is the only

1:07:24

player at the NBA less efficient than Dylan

1:07:26

Brooks. And so Dylan is not

1:07:28

number one. He's

1:07:30

not number

1:07:31

one. Gillian is

1:07:31

number one. I think Gillian will

1:07:34

surpass him soon. I I didn't No. He has. No.

1:07:36

He's number

1:07:36

one. No Gillian is number two.

1:07:39

I'm saying, Killian,

1:07:40

Killian will move, you know, I guess, behind

1:07:42

him then, you know.

1:07:43

You you mean he'll become more efficient.

1:07:45

Yeah. Killian is trending up. Oh,

1:07:47

I doubt that. He's trending up since

1:07:49

early November. I doubt that. By

1:07:52

any way, I didn't see any of the game

1:07:54

tonight. I saw zero of

1:07:56

the Nets pissence game, but the Pistons won.

1:07:58

Killian came off the bench. He had sixteen

1:08:00

points, six of twelve from the

1:08:01

field. A good game

1:08:04

for Killian. He's been trending

1:08:06

up, Chris, since I I

1:08:06

saw it. So there was a Sadiq Bay night though.

1:08:09

Right? It was but we don't need to

1:08:11

talk about Sadiq Bay. Why? You don't

1:08:13

like

1:08:13

him? Oh, I like Sydney Bay, but we're talking about Killian Hayes.

1:08:15

I like Killian. He might be available.

1:08:17

I kinda likes Sydney

1:08:17

Bay. Yeah. Sydney Bay is solid. I like him.

1:08:19

Jalen derends

1:08:22

the guy I really like. But but but honestly, like, if you get

1:08:24

Sydney,

1:08:24

Bay, you probably gotta give up ten first

1:08:26

rounders. Ever since your your guy Marvin

1:08:29

Bagley's been out. We've

1:08:31

seen Duran play. Like,

1:08:33

four to six minutes. He is damn good, dude. Like, already? How many

1:08:35

first rounders does it take to

1:08:38

get to Deep Bay? Like a

1:08:40

hundred? He

1:08:43

had a fifty point game last year. Yeah. Unsupervault's undiagnosed.

1:08:45

No. OG hasn't had

1:08:47

fifty? Nope. He

1:08:50

certainly

1:08:50

had Gevid, it's always a pleasure. Thanks our executive producer, Jesse

1:08:52

Lopez. As always, we'll talk to you

1:08:54

next week. Have a good weekend.