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Given a camera given a climber Kevin. Oh

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Fifteen minutes of died of a

2:46

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2:49

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2:51

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2:54

on this camera. And I was

2:56

gonna see. Swollen.

2:58

Eyes. I. Thought I

3:00

was gonna see a red vase. I.

3:03

Thought I was gonna see a

3:05

man that his bid monet. good

3:07

grieving. For. The last four hours

3:09

and you look. You. A

3:12

good as ever. Kevin on

3:14

fazed. By. The due to the

3:16

day and I gotta tell you they did

3:18

just super dirty. right? In the

3:20

middle of trade deadline while everyone

3:22

in the free world. Is.

3:26

Locked in. On.

3:29

N B A Transactions. Out.

3:31

Of nowhere those dirty piston

3:34

say. They've. Wade

3:36

silly and Hayes right when everybody's

3:38

paying attention to everything costs. See,

3:40

this happens in a day or

3:43

two. It sounded just. Flies.

3:45

By. But. Instead right in

3:47

the middle of the of the

3:49

entire and be a world and

3:52

all the fans Attention. Here. It.

3:54

And. Then it leads to the means and

3:56

then it leads to the jokes. And.

4:00

A lot of people made

4:02

jokes at your expense. A

4:04

lot of people made jokes at Killian's

4:06

expense. I want to say that when

4:08

I read that

4:11

Killian Hayes' camp asked

4:13

for a change of scenery and

4:15

the piston said, how about the bus stop,

4:17

I didn't laugh at it. I

4:22

didn't laugh at that tweet. And

4:24

they said, Killian Hayes' camp asked

4:27

for a change of scenery and the

4:29

piston said, how

4:31

about lifetime fitness? I

4:34

didn't laugh at it because you're my

4:36

friend and that's why.

4:42

This is the best day ever. I

4:47

mean, you did say to me, Chris, my

4:49

eyes don't look puffy at all. When

4:53

the news broke, I was in the

4:55

middle of listening to my

4:57

playlist, my 100% good songs playlist

5:00

on Spotify and Purple

5:02

Rain by Prince was the song playing as

5:05

the news broke. It's

5:09

just never been a call to an umbrella.

5:12

The guitar solo was literally about to

5:14

kick in when I got the bomb

5:16

on my phone and there were some

5:18

tears. A little bit of sadness,

5:21

a little bit of anger when I

5:23

saw old takes exposed pop up and

5:25

a little bit of resentment. I guess

5:27

so. Old takes is a tough

5:29

one. A

5:33

little bit of resentment against the pistons for

5:35

doing me dirty like this. It hurts, Chris.

5:39

Dirty. And I said

5:41

to one of my buddies, I said, look, man, I

5:43

promise you, nobody is built

5:45

for it to take this more than

5:47

Kevin is. And I said, and honestly, I

5:50

said the only

5:53

bad thing about it was that he had

5:55

him one. If he had him two, nobody

5:58

ever cares. sits

6:00

around and goes, Oh, you like James Wiseman,

6:02

right? A lot of people had James Wiseman.

6:05

Number two, in that draft though,

6:07

last, right? A lot of people had James Wiseman.

6:09

Some people had James Wiseman, number one, and nobody

6:12

ever beats them up over it. But

6:16

the kid, you went out on a limb, you

6:18

went out on a limb, and the limb broke.

6:21

And now Killian's wave. I

6:23

mean, look, I've talked about this on pods, like me,

6:25

I think me and Kyle Mann talked about it on

6:27

the draft show. You and I might've talked about it.

6:29

We've definitely talked about it too.

6:31

I mean, I think like with

6:34

Lamello, with Anthony Edwards, those guys should have

6:36

been ahead of Killian. No shit. Sure should

6:38

have Tyree Taliburton and a whole bunch of

6:40

others. About

6:42

30 guys should have been ahead of him.

6:45

But ultimately, you know, I think a lot of

6:47

teams, a lot of people around the league, including

6:49

Detroit, they had them in their top

6:51

three, their top five. And I

6:53

don't think a lot of people could have anticipated that he

6:55

would be such a bum

6:58

on offense. Hopefully,

7:01

for Killian's sake, he lands

7:03

in a situation where

7:05

he's able to fix his jumper, whether it's with

7:08

the Spurs or the Thunder or somewhere

7:10

overseas. Go to the Dante X from

7:12

school of improving your three point jumper.

7:15

And because if he improves his three point jumper,

7:18

you can be a serviceable NBA player when he's

7:20

a good defender, he's a good passer, he's a

7:22

good decision maker, he just sucks to

7:24

the score. And I think he's got like some

7:26

confidence issues as well. So it's

7:28

unfortunate. Everybody's got their

7:30

draft with their draft mistakes. It's

7:33

kind of cool to have swearing

7:35

off French guards. French guards

7:37

done. We're done with sure. And this one,

7:39

you're done. You're swearing on. I'm done with

7:41

French guards, not done with French players, but

7:43

I am done with French guards. There's plenty

7:45

of French players in this upcoming draft, but

7:48

they're none of them are guards. It's

7:51

kind of cool for me personally, It's

7:54

kind of cool to have like such a

7:56

public miss because it becomes a conversation starter

7:58

with a bunch of people around the world.

8:01

the league where you just talk about like

8:03

why and so guys your biggest with you've

8:05

added for odds than santa funds like privately

8:07

that those conversations publicly I don't really care

8:10

as such as calm as a it's a

8:12

fun just to cover to cover Have fun

8:14

with. I. Did see some

8:16

I is in all seriousness as

8:19

us one. Very measured analysis

8:21

of it and and it said that

8:23

The biggest problem with Kilian A is

8:25

that his ass. Who

8:28

set of death for weaver?

8:34

However, Arms out the numbers have i'm

8:36

i'm not gonna doesn't matter, decisions that

8:38

are that on for that. The.

8:41

Who they're. Dealing

8:45

remarried no butter. Israel was right away, Bogdanovich

8:47

train and away our birds, but that team

8:49

is gonna be even worse second half of

8:51

the season now, but those are some good

8:53

acquisitions for the next, especially with that O

8:56

G O J and Adobe. The. Team's

8:58

going to about five hundred thousand times more fun.

9:00

Yeah. Did you see Jade Knives? instagram

9:03

post. Yeah. Move from the

9:05

bible or hilly and a that way. The.

9:07

Of nylon or posted a picture of

9:09

him nk Cunningham together. Now he posted

9:11

a Bible verses. He.

9:13

Posted a bible verse normally to be posted a.

9:16

He was him and Cunningham for daily to get

9:18

looking at photos you get to read the captions

9:20

chris. I'm from the

9:23

bible bible verses. And.

9:25

Let us not grow weary of doing

9:28

good. For. And do season we

9:30

will reap. If. We do not give

9:32

up. As. The photo

9:34

of him and kid Cunningham so see

9:36

later killing him. Mean kid

9:38

says in an ivy as the at

9:40

the translation of a bible verse. Gallup

9:43

Family Six nine for one for

9:45

us. Nice. To. Have elites

9:47

have been collation? Relations.

9:51

Galaxy on let's assess assess as an

9:53

have a really that originally Virginia below

9:55

was. Still,

9:59

those hours. It out. I had a baby.

10:02

At the Iraq issue. He grew

10:04

up in the South Side. Than

10:06

an hour ago the bible out

10:08

a Catholic high school. Our. Or.

10:13

Are I went. This is Not. A

10:16

super fun draft I'd say

10:18

I'd trade deadline day. There.

10:21

Was a big stuff that went on

10:23

but there was some things if they

10:25

could move the needle. For.

10:28

You I'd galison the I doubt I'll

10:30

add the job here. there are more

10:32

as. There. Was a big dick

10:34

move the need of would you take about trade

10:36

deadline day. The first team that stands out is.

10:39

The Lakers by making a move for

10:41

sure. The warriors not

10:43

making a move. I think somebody is bubble

10:46

west teams with the veterans on there that

10:48

you to come up with lot of reasons

10:50

why they should overpay. Having

10:52

the warriors did try to overpay for

10:54

hours to sort of. Bulls are. There.

10:57

Another ask theme as well. They.

10:59

Don't want to take an overpayment of both. Am I

11:02

used Mm Vs around? I. The

11:04

balls. To. Tell him from

11:06

now for me. And the

11:08

Lakers and Warriors. I think they're the two

11:10

teams the span of the most with their

11:12

lack of movement or but ultimately I do

11:14

think this deadline the for the moves that

11:17

we did see but that's the reason why

11:19

we don't see any big moves. Nobody was

11:21

moved big time players. so I think for

11:23

the Lakers bear to hold on for. like

11:25

we said this off season to make a

11:27

bigger moved the summer and whatever is Donna

11:30

permits or try younger whoever the star is.

11:32

and then for the warriors you know maybe

11:34

maybe they'll continue that trend a little bit

11:36

up with Draymond. Green back on

11:38

an everyday basis. Or.

11:40

The next the big winners. Are

11:43

the mats. I. Mean, they're both winners

11:45

mineral respect of ways. I think the next,

11:47

considering that oh gee, in an Ob injury

11:49

right now for the next three years weeks.

11:51

According to words, that definitely makes that Bogdanovich

11:53

and Burke's acquisition more helpful in the short

11:55

term. But I'll tell you what man like

11:57

that next or taste. And they got. One.

12:00

Once all their guys are back, including Mitchell Robinson,

12:02

they got 10 or 11 guys. Playoffs,

12:05

you're playing eight or nine. I tried

12:07

to write down lineups. It's

12:09

tough, right? Bronson OG Bogdanovich,

12:12

Randall Mitchell Robinson. And

12:14

then you've got Burch, DiVentenzo

12:16

Hart, Precious and

12:19

Hartenstein. And that's not even

12:21

including McBride. So yeah, to your point, I mean, it's at

12:23

least 11. At least 11

12:26

that they've got. So I mean,

12:28

that is a good, solid, deep

12:30

team. Also enables you to withstand

12:33

injury, which they're going to

12:35

have to. They've

12:37

been playing without Randall. They've

12:39

been playing now without OG. They

12:41

will continue to play without Randall and OG.

12:45

And you're still able to put out a product

12:47

that can win on a

12:49

regular basis when you're this deep. So

12:53

certainly when they didn't give

12:55

up anything that matters. I know they were the

12:57

Knicks retain all of their first round draft picks.

13:00

Like that's crazy. They get

13:02

OG and an OB Bogdanovich and

13:05

Alec Burch and all these guys this season, they

13:07

still keep all their first. And they were because

13:09

they gave up players, obviously with the

13:11

OG deal and players here too. Quentin

13:14

Grimes is a good player that the Pistons

13:16

are getting. We know Grimes can be a

13:18

3 and D guy at a minimum. We

13:20

know he can do that, but now maybe

13:22

Detroit can feed him some more touches and

13:24

on ball opportunities over the course of the

13:26

remainder of the season. Like that mixed it

13:28

over the last 9, 10 games of

13:30

last season when Grimes was like a 20 point per

13:32

game guy for a short stretch, which

13:34

is why I think for Detroit, it's probably a

13:36

little bit bittersweet to see Grimes go. But

13:39

it seems like he just fell out of favor with

13:41

Tivido and Burks and Bogdanovich

13:44

add some dynamic scoring next

13:46

to Brunson next to Julius

13:48

Randall once he's back. I

13:50

think with David and Tenzo's

13:52

success on that team, it's

13:54

kind of a preview of what it could

13:56

look like for Bogdanovich and Burks with

13:59

them being a guy who can go. off on any particular

14:01

night. Well, and with

14:03

the Grimes kids, they got a better player. OG

14:05

Ananobi is a better player and that soaks

14:07

up. In the Tibbs world, 43 of

14:10

48 minutes. So

14:14

there's just not

14:16

enough winged minutes to go around

14:19

once you added Ananobi into the

14:21

mix. But Grimes is a player

14:23

for him. He was. They just, man.

14:26

The other one, so the next stand out,

14:28

because they gave up Grimes, Malachi Flynn, they

14:31

got off that 48 contract after

14:33

48 requested a trade 10 years ago, um,

14:37

RG Diocono couple of seconds, as

14:39

you mentioned. Um, the map

14:41

seemed like the other winner to me. I

14:43

liked the Gafford fit a lot. Uh,

14:47

I liked the PJ Washington fit

14:49

and obviously the Grant Williams fit.

14:52

Did not work. Uh, one of

14:54

their free agent acquisitions that you and

14:56

I were both a fan of, um,

14:59

reminds me a little of, do

15:02

you remember when,

15:04

remember when we kind of thought that it

15:07

was nice for Cleveland to get Jay Crowder

15:09

and then it just didn't work with

15:11

LeBron, like Jay Crowder just being a stand

15:14

in the corner. Right. Wait for it. Then

15:16

knock down threes kind of guy.

15:19

It's, it's not what

15:21

he was. It's not how you get

15:23

the best out of him. And also

15:25

then you probably, it's just not

15:28

the best of fits. And I

15:30

kind of feel that way about how the

15:32

Grant Williams thing worked as well. That

15:35

you're not going to be able to get the best

15:37

of Grant Williams playing how

15:40

the type of players they need to

15:42

go around Luca, but I think they found, you

15:45

know, we'll see on the PJ Washington

15:47

shooting front, but certainly

15:50

Gafford fits that mold of,

15:52

all right. Now I can play off pick

15:54

and roll and I finish everything at the

15:57

rim and I never take bad

15:59

shots. Like Dan Gavord knows

16:01

exactly what he is and doesn't

16:04

play outside of it. And so

16:06

he'll set the screen, rush to the

16:08

basket, lob it up. I'm going to try to rebound

16:10

everything and I'm going to try to finish everything you

16:12

throw up high in the air. And so having

16:15

him and Lively for those 48

16:18

minutes, I, uh, whenever, you know,

16:21

they get Lively back full force, I think

16:23

is, uh, I liked this for the

16:25

maps. I really did. And I thought this makes them

16:27

better. The Mavericks came out as

16:29

big winners today for sure. You

16:31

nailed it with Gafford backing up Lively once

16:33

Lively does return. Lively has proven to be

16:36

injury prone so far. So Gafford might be

16:38

a big minutes guy for them. They both

16:40

fit the, the lob, the lob construct that

16:42

Luca loves to have in the pick and

16:44

roll partner. But PJ Washington in his own

16:46

way can be a very interesting two man

16:48

guy as well. PJ Washington is

16:50

good at rolling to the basket. He can short

16:53

roll, make plays off the dribble, make the right

16:55

pass, dribble into a finish or I mean, he

16:57

can be a lob guy too. He's not, doesn't

16:59

have the verticality of Lively or Gafford, but he can

17:01

catch a lob for you. He can spot up from

17:03

three. He's like a 37, 38% guy on open three

17:05

point attempts. He's

17:08

going to have a heck of a lot of those

17:10

with Dallas compared to what he had with Charlotte. So

17:13

I think with PJ Washington, there's a chance

17:15

here. We see the best version of him

17:17

that we've ever seen on offense because he's

17:19

not going to be asked to do a

17:21

lot. And he's going to

17:23

have a guy serving open shot opportunities for

17:26

him on a silver platter. So we

17:28

know he can be a guy that can go off. We

17:30

know he can get hot and score 30.

17:32

He's we've seen them have 40 bombs before.

17:35

So I think with PJ Washington, he's an

17:37

upside ad and a guy who

17:39

raises their floor because of what

17:41

he can provide offensively and defensively too.

17:43

And the versatility if Lively's out and

17:46

you got Gafford out there, you can play

17:48

PJ Washington as more of that versatile perimeter

17:51

guy, but you can also

17:54

use him as a small ball five and

17:56

spurts last year with the Hornets when he

17:58

was playing with full throttle efforts. playing

18:00

for a contract, playing for an opportunity. He was

18:02

way better defensively than he has been this season.

18:04

He is. I don't think he's been that good

18:07

defensively watching the Hornets

18:09

this year, but last year to me

18:11

is more indicative of what the Mavericks

18:13

should be expecting as a guy who

18:15

is an active at-rim helper. He can

18:17

provide shop walking inside. He

18:19

can provide switchability on the perimeter. So,

18:21

Dallas is getting a really

18:23

interesting two-way piece that for the

18:26

first time is going to be

18:28

playing in high-level competitive basketball games

18:30

in the NBA. So, I'd be

18:32

super excited if our Mavericks fans today

18:35

would that with the two acquisitions they

18:37

had. Yeah, me too.

18:40

And again, not giving stuff up. It's

18:44

a great, great trade. Yeah,

18:46

we look at the Knicks, we look at

18:48

the Mavs, and they're the ones that particularly

18:50

stand out. We didn't give anything up that

18:53

has been helping us become

18:56

what we are right now, and

18:59

yet we're now able to add these

19:01

guys into the mix. And

19:03

so, yeah, good job by both those teams. A

19:06

couple of them were pretty confusing as we

19:08

go through the rest of the trade deadline.

19:10

For what it's worth, they did give a

19:12

first-round pick for the PJ

19:14

Washington deal. So,

19:16

they did give something. Grant Williams is a good player.

19:19

He just hasn't been a great fit. With

19:21

Dallas. So, they did give something. No,

19:23

no, no. I'm only talking

19:26

about for this

19:28

season. What is helping me this season?

19:30

And if you're bailed on the Grant Williams thing,

19:32

that is for sure, that's a future asset. I'm

19:36

talking about making me better right now.

19:38

Sure, yeah, I understand. Am I losing

19:40

anything off of my team that is

19:42

going to hurt me possibly? And

19:45

in the case of both of those teams, I don't view it

19:48

like nothing is going to hurt

19:50

you now. Made down in the future. If the

19:52

PJ Washington thing doesn't work out, then

19:54

maybe you end up regretting giving up

19:56

the pick. But I don't think they're going to regret

19:58

giving up Grant Williams because... They had already

20:00

bailed on that quickly, then decided

20:02

that wasn't going to work. From

20:05

the Charlotte side of that as well. I

20:07

mean, it's a good return. We talked on

20:09

the show last week about how maybe you

20:11

keep PJ Washington, but I'd be satisfied with

20:13

that for him in return because Grant Williams

20:15

could maybe he ends up working out there

20:17

next to Brennan Miller, Lamello Ball, Mark Williams.

20:19

I mean, in theory, he does fit all

20:22

of those guys. So I like it from the Charlotte

20:25

side and getting a first round pick in the future. I

20:28

think it comes out as a win for them. Of

20:31

the other things that happened on the trade

20:33

deadline, what happened to Buddy

20:35

Heald's value? He's

20:37

an upcoming free agent. Okay.

20:40

Not one that you can't... I mean, people

20:42

still trade for upcoming free agents that they want

20:44

to sign in the off season. It

20:47

happens literally all the time. Pascal

20:50

Siakam just got traded for it. Pascal

20:52

Siakam is an upcoming free agent. I

20:55

don't know if there's four factors, obviously.

20:58

This is something that have to be

21:00

deeply back-channels or

21:02

it's be risk tampering, but the Sixers have

21:04

a ton of cap space. Maybe

21:08

there's some indication from the Indiana side

21:10

of things that Philly's the

21:12

team for him. That's always possible,

21:14

but that could deflate value there. Maybe Buddy himself

21:17

said, yeah, you know what? I want to go

21:19

to Philly. Maybe that'll be revealed that this is

21:21

the team. He indicated that the Pacers that he

21:23

wanted to go to, because I do think he

21:25

was worth more than this. I'm

21:28

with you there. He's worth more than what

21:30

they got. But

21:32

the second round picks that they got

21:34

aren't bad, necessarily. They get three second

21:36

round draft picks. One

21:39

of them's an early second rounder, I believe,

21:41

this year. I know people talk about, oh,

21:43

this draft sucks and all that. It doesn't

21:45

suck in the middle of

21:47

the draft. You get an

21:49

early second via the Raptors this year.

21:51

You get two distant future seconds, one

21:53

from the Blazers in 2029, one from

21:55

the Clippers in 2029. That's

21:58

a long ways from now. but you do

22:01

get a early second this year. Pretty

22:04

much equivalent to first round pick value in my

22:06

opinion. I think, I think you can look at

22:08

it one of two ways, either he wanted

22:10

to go to Philly. Or they

22:13

just viewed this as like a pretty good

22:15

value pick and return that they get in

22:17

the immediate and then to, you know, potential,

22:19

you know, mystery boxes in the future. I,

22:21

I, I tend to lean towards the latter

22:23

that this is actually pretty good value getting

22:26

three seconds instead of just one

22:28

first in a draft where it's

22:30

not too different way. If you're 22 or

22:32

you're 37 with where you're picking. It's

22:35

certainly possible that word could have gotten

22:37

around like, Hey, don't trade for my

22:39

guy because I just look at

22:41

it and I go every year, every

22:45

team that loses in

22:47

the playoffs, every one of

22:49

them. Whether it's the first round, second

22:53

round, when we get to the semi-finals

22:55

on the finals, every one of

22:57

them, when they come and

22:59

do their postseason press conference, say

23:01

we need more shooting. Every

23:05

one of them, when they lose, they

23:07

say we need more shooting. And

23:11

so here's one of the best shooters in

23:13

the entire NBA. I just, I

23:15

just figured the value would be greater, especially

23:17

if I'm trying to go win a title. Like that's

23:20

what that guy does. Whatever

23:24

his faults are, the guy can shoot

23:26

the shit out of the ball. And

23:29

obviously kind of fallen out of

23:31

favor there in Indiana. And

23:36

that's fine if they were going to move him.

23:38

I just, I just find it hard to believe

23:40

that that was the best, the best deal

23:43

they could get for him. But let's see

23:45

there. And they're there. Maybe, maybe, maybe, well,

23:47

Chris, here's the thing though. Here's the thing.

23:49

Like you also needed the, they

23:51

got an expiring salary back in

23:53

Morris. So not only did

23:55

they get a, the early second round draft

23:57

pick, like what team. The

24:00

late first round had a. A

24:02

first to give him an expiring salary and

24:05

they had a need for shooter. You could

24:07

argue that maybe the Pacers the should have

24:09

kept shield and one of the free agency

24:11

but I mean for them I think they

24:13

look at it like we have benedict math

24:15

and when. Are we need we

24:17

need to invest in hand with Will. Would

24:20

you really want to side? he'll the twenty

24:22

plus million dollars annually. I think it's a

24:24

better resubmit radio right? Nice with

24:26

you. I think it's a better return for

24:28

Indiana then it appears on paper. Discover. I

24:30

don't think the market was actually out there

24:32

for him. Now. I'm just

24:34

I'd again. I. Will

24:36

accept that. I just I'm surprised. By

24:39

that when every team seemingly need shooting

24:41

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24:44

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24:46

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26:00

Nobody eric issue to. Recover.

26:03

Gotta get back there. Just dug. Still,

26:05

That said, three. Would.

26:08

You think about Oklahoma City? Get Gordon Hayward.

26:11

Give. Up by you know the birth

26:13

of Contract Tray May and. Couple.

26:16

Other assets but nothing that was.

26:18

You know, play a significant minutes

26:20

for them and acquired Gordon Hayward.

26:23

You liked this deal. Gordon.

26:25

Hayward to the Thunder could end up being one

26:27

the most porn acquisitions of the desk. And.

26:30

The reason why is because of the versatility

26:32

he's going to provide in the rotation. He

26:34

can either be a. Of

26:36

sense. Ball. Handler a guy behind

26:38

schedule to sell vendor who can help

26:41

run the off and some facilitate things

26:43

or be. He can be that

26:45

fifth guy on the floor who provides a

26:47

different looked and dross could he get he

26:49

have improved is a suitor the season but

26:51

he still not a knockdown guy gordon Hayward

26:53

and know why in their ways and elite

26:55

shooter but he's a better suited and giddy.

26:58

So. He can still provide some of

27:00

that to message passing ability. That.

27:02

Giddy have provided them that kind of spot

27:04

up role in that if it next to

27:06

Sta next that sat. Next to

27:08

jail or Williams but he can provide

27:10

better shooting more experience and I think

27:13

that type of versatility and that thunder

27:15

rotation to to boost the types of

27:17

line up that marked they'd knock and

27:19

for a out there and then with

27:21

the way he can structure his rotations

27:24

depending on the match up depending on

27:26

how good he sought develops a Gordon

27:28

Hayward at this is an opportunity for

27:30

him to improve his own his own

27:32

stock to in this situation because he

27:34

doesn't need to do a lot to

27:37

make a positive impacts. He's.

27:40

The one thing I'll say about it is. It's

27:42

not. Whatever. The Fall When

27:44

it comes to the past, Sato is about the

27:47

individual numbers that a guy puts up. As

27:49

much as what he can

27:51

provide a team. Regarding.

27:54

the way they play off fence and

27:56

i look at it nice a but

27:58

if hayward can stay healthy and he

28:01

can play minutes for you, the giddy thing.

28:03

It's going to be a situation that they

28:05

get into when they're playing high leverage basketball

28:07

and people just do not stand

28:09

out there with giddy. So now

28:11

you're more crowded for SGA because

28:14

my guy is now standing at the

28:16

free throw line rather than out of

28:18

the three point line. And if

28:20

Gordon Hayward could just be a guy that when

28:22

he is out there, he has to be guarded

28:24

all the way out to the three

28:26

point line, teams aren't just going to be

28:28

able to cheat off him, teams aren't going to be able

28:30

to leave him. Now that

28:33

just by him being there and being

28:35

guarded all the way out there, just

28:38

by his presence, all

28:41

of a sudden it makes SGA

28:43

and everything else they're doing so

28:46

much easier to manage. I'll give you for

28:48

instance, last year you saw it when Memphis

28:50

got into the playoffs, they're playing

28:52

against the Lakers and they

28:54

just acted like Dylan Brooks had SARS.

28:57

They're just can't get farther away from

28:59

him. And yet when they brought

29:01

in Luke Canard, all

29:03

of a sudden now you've

29:06

got all these guys now the lane's starting

29:08

to open up because now everybody, you can't

29:10

have four guys standing with a foot in

29:12

the lane and then doing a

29:15

closeout that you don't even really want to close

29:17

out on because you'd rather have these guys shooting,

29:19

but as long as you've got

29:22

somebody out there that can space the

29:24

floor out, it ends up making your

29:26

best players better. And so I look

29:28

at it and say, man, of course they were, could

29:30

just stand out there, knock down a reliable amount, but

29:33

more importantly, just be guarded all

29:35

the way out to the three point line. That's,

29:38

that's where SGA is an

29:41

impossible one-on-one guard. You've

29:43

got to make him see two. And

29:46

to me, at least Hayward makes it

29:48

so you can play where

29:50

he only has to see one. And then now you're,

29:52

now you're cooking with grease. So I

29:54

look at it, but he's always hurt. He's

29:58

always hurt. perfect acquisition

30:00

for them because he helps now, but

30:02

also he's an upcoming free agent, so

30:04

they have flexibility there. You either can

30:06

enter the off season with cap space,

30:09

or you can enter the off season

30:11

deciding, yeah, we'll re-sign him to number

30:13

X. And then that X number

30:16

could be the deal that you end up

30:18

flipping for a star in the future using

30:20

your big pile of draft picks that you

30:22

have. That could be a very valuable contract

30:24

in that sense. So it's like a nice

30:27

short-term deal for Oklahoma City, but also a

30:29

potentially very valuable future deal. And I think

30:31

with them, I'm working on doing

30:33

my power rankings that'll be up soon on

30:35

the ringer. OKC, championship

30:38

power rankings. How

30:41

high would you have them? I have them

30:43

penciled in currently at third

30:46

with my championship power rankings. Is that premature

30:48

with their youth? Can they win a play

30:50

all year? Sure.

30:52

It would be unheard of for the youngest team

30:54

of basketball to go all the way to the

30:56

finals. But this team is an

30:58

outlier in terms of they have an

31:01

MVP top five candidate in SGA. They

31:03

have another all NBA caliber talent in

31:05

Jaylen Williams. They have Chet Holmgren, who's

31:08

an all defensive team

31:10

candidate. They have so much depth and versatility.

31:12

They have one of the best coaches in

31:14

the league in Mark Dagnall. Why is it

31:16

unreasonable at this point? They're one of the

31:18

best teams in basketball today. They're uniquely positioned

31:20

to have success in the postseason with their

31:22

versatility. Why not have them

31:24

that high? Because

31:28

we pay attention to the history of the NBA and the

31:30

history NBA tells you that you've got to go in and

31:32

you've got to take your lumps. You're going to be going

31:34

up against veteran teams. You're also going up against a team.

31:38

You're going to be going up against teams with a bunch of size.

31:41

That is going to be the one thing that

31:43

really can bother them

31:46

is when it turns into more of a

31:48

half court basketball game, there's going to be

31:50

some volleyball played on the boards against some

31:52

of these bigger teams because they can't match

31:55

up size wise. And so they have to

31:57

use their advantage. The other thing is just

31:59

being through it, being through. that level of

32:01

intensity being through the

32:05

game planning for one

32:07

team and all of

32:09

your weaknesses get exposed. Literally

32:12

all of your weaknesses. That's something that is

32:14

learned because those guys, what happens is you

32:16

go, you take your lumps, you lose and

32:19

then you go back and you say, all

32:21

right, now when they are focused on me,

32:23

when it's not a one off, when

32:26

they focused on me, here's

32:29

what I couldn't do. And

32:32

then you go and fix. That's why it takes

32:34

a while. That's why all of these teams, even

32:36

the best teams, even the team

32:39

that we are celebrating still as reigning

32:41

champions to Denver Nuggets. And

32:44

we come in here every year, we talk

32:46

about taking your playoff scars. That's

32:49

the way it works. So when

32:51

you say, why not? That's why.

32:54

Because we've seen all kinds of great

32:56

young teams burst on the scene. They

32:59

still have to, they still catch

33:01

their scars. It's never

33:03

an easy road. And

33:05

most of the time it's pretty tough. They

33:08

might, I mean, I'm not saying they can't win

33:11

a series, but I'm saying by the time you get

33:13

to the second round and you're down to four teams. But

33:15

here's the thing. I have them behind Denver.

33:19

I have them behind the Clippers. Is

33:21

it bad on you? Like unreasonable to

33:23

have them ahead of the Timberwolves ahead

33:25

of the Suns with all their defensive

33:28

concerns ahead of Lakers,

33:30

Mavericks, Pelicans. I

33:32

mean, I don't know. I would you really put any

33:35

of those teams ahead of the Thunder despite

33:37

their youth in the West? Again,

33:39

you're not asking me about where they should

33:41

be ranked in terms of their strength right

33:44

now. You're winning. You're the champion ranked

33:46

in terms of their. Yes.

33:48

Yes. I mean, I'm

33:50

not sure of those ahead of all of them

33:52

in terms of winning the championship, all of them.

33:55

I mean, Minnesota, Minnesota, Phoenix

33:57

and Dallas. Yeah. Yeah.

34:01

Yes. I

34:04

would say those teams have a better chance. And

34:06

that is not being disrespectful to Oklahoma

34:08

City. I mean, look,

34:11

everybody's got to hear. I don't know, Chris. I

34:13

think it might be. I think you're underrating them,

34:15

personally. I do. To ask

34:17

them to win a playoff series first? I

34:20

think, I think. Before I'm a hardcore believer

34:23

that they can win a title? Totally

34:26

understandable based off of history. What are we

34:28

talking about? Do

34:31

you at least agree that for a young

34:33

team that has never been through

34:35

it, they are

34:37

uniquely deep with top

34:39

end talent and with

34:42

just quality players across the roster with lineup

34:44

flexibility and with a great coach. Like they,

34:46

yes, they haven't been through it, but they

34:48

are unique in that sense. Do you agree

34:50

with me there, though? For

34:53

a young team, they are unique in that sense,

34:55

right? They are unique

34:57

and they've got a great player for sure.

35:00

They're multiple great players. They're multiple great players.

35:03

Slow down. Slow down on great.

35:06

They've got an all NBA

35:08

player. Did

35:12

I just see the All-Stars announce that they have

35:14

three All-Stars and I missed it? Slow

35:16

down on great. Like, let

35:18

them develop. And here's the thing. You

35:21

could say all this and you could build it

35:23

up and then if they get the number

35:26

one seed and the Lakers get eight, you'll pick the

35:28

Lakers. End of story. You

35:30

will. Oh, I wouldn't. Yes,

35:32

you will. Yes, you will. I

35:34

would not pick the Lakers over the corner of the team. Mark

35:38

my words. If they get one and the

35:40

Lakers get eight, you will pick the Lakers.

35:43

I would not pick the Lakers. I wouldn't

35:45

get there. I might pick the Thunder or go

35:47

to the final. Who

35:50

knows? No, you won't. Come on. Come

35:52

on. We'll see how the season finishes.

35:55

We talk about concerns that team. have

36:01

like Clippers health. I'm

36:03

picking the nuggets to go to the finals

36:05

today, but Clippers health, son's defense, Timberwolves

36:08

end game offense, up

36:10

and down the line. Every team in the West has

36:12

concerns for the thunder. The concern is they're young. That's

36:15

the concern. They're young. They don't have experience. How

36:17

old the fatigue bill over the course of the

36:20

year? And rebounding.

36:23

I think that's a

36:26

big thing when it comes to the playoffs.

36:28

It is possessions go down. The other

36:30

team has the ball more, a lot more

36:33

when it comes to the playoffs because you're

36:35

there by a volleyball on the back boards.

36:38

Like that's the other thing. Rebounding

36:41

would be the biggest concern against the favorite, which

36:43

is then against Minnesota. Of course,

36:45

like it could be an issue as the

36:47

series goes seven games, but I still think

36:49

the Oklahoma city thunder could beat Minnesota in

36:51

a series for sure. I do.

36:54

They have two of the best ISO scores in

36:56

the league and SGA and Jaylen Williams. They have

36:59

incredible versatility and lineup

37:02

depth. I

37:04

think Oklahoma city is a real threat. They don't

37:06

have Rudy go Bay or course

37:10

they don't. Oh,

37:13

there's only one team of Rudy go bear

37:15

the Minnesota. General number one defense in the

37:17

league with the best defender

37:20

of this generation. Yeah.

37:23

And you just picked them to lose to the team

37:25

that's never won a again. I'm

37:28

just like, you just got to prove it. They're

37:30

great story. Fantastic season.

37:32

Great team playoffs are

37:35

a different deal. You

37:37

got to go to the playoffs that you got to win in the playoffs. I

37:40

I'm with you. I'm with you. I get

37:42

it. I understand. But it's not like

37:44

we haven't seen a former Oklahoma

37:46

city young team go very far before as

37:48

well. They didn't win it all. They

37:51

lost. They got destroyed in

37:53

the finals actually. But that

37:55

young Katie James Harden Russell Westbrook team

37:58

did make a deep run. They did make finals

38:00

and it was a preview of their success to

38:02

come. They never ended up winning at all, but

38:05

they did sustain success and have a lot of

38:07

deep runs and a lot of success together. And

38:09

so with this OKC team, yes, they have to

38:11

prove it, but it's not like

38:13

it's not unheard of for young teams to

38:15

have deep runs. Okay. It's not

38:18

unheard of. It's unheard of to have three

38:20

fucking MVPs on your team, Kevin. And I

38:22

know they weren't MVPs yet, but those guys

38:24

are literally all first ballot

38:28

Hall of Famers, 15 time

38:32

all stars and MVPs. Like

38:34

come on. I know. I

38:36

know. That's what's rare

38:38

about that. I

38:40

think you're an energy guy. I

38:43

think the guy you're underwriting most here is Jalen

38:45

Williams. Jalen Williams, if he weren't sharing the floor

38:48

with SGA so often would be a 25 plus

38:51

point per game guy already. He would be. I'll

38:55

say that with full confidence. He would be a 25 plus

38:57

point per game guy on great efficiency.

39:00

That guy is awesome. He'd be an

39:02

all NBA guy. If you weren't sharing

39:04

the four so much with a MVP

39:06

caliber guy and he was getting those

39:09

opportunities that guy is awesome. Check

39:11

already really good. We don't need

39:13

to rehash this. So we plenty of

39:15

times to talk about Oklahoma city, but

39:17

I think, I think that to bring

39:19

it back to their big deadline acquisition,

39:22

it was smart for Presby to do

39:24

this because he gives the team a

39:26

greater chance of actually exceeding those expectations

39:28

this year while also maintaining all of

39:30

their future flexibility, actually even increasing their

39:32

flexibility with that Hayward deal. So Oklahoma

39:34

city, one of the winners of the deadline for damn

39:36

sure. All

39:41

right. Milwaukee got Pat Bev. What

39:44

a big nothing deal this is. I

39:46

don't understand why. Like he

39:49

was so ingrained with Philly though. Like

39:52

always pumping up maxi, always pumping up

39:54

them beat, always like being

39:57

their little chihuahua. You

40:00

know and getting in the

40:02

mix and getting people's faces and. I

40:06

mean him having to smooth it over

40:08

with dame and lillard is hilarious. Truly

40:12

hilarious because it was

40:14

just two weeks ago that they were

40:16

at each other's neck. And obviously

40:19

there are the. Clip

40:21

that was going around everywhere of dame and lillard

40:23

saying I'll beat your ass. So

40:26

they got some smoothing over to do with that, but

40:28

you don't care about that deal at all. You

40:30

think it's a big nothing. I mean,

40:32

look for the fixer side of things they could

40:34

not score. Anytime. It's going to

40:36

be in the mix in the playoffs, Kevin. He's going

40:39

to do something. The

40:41

fixers couldn't score anytime Beverly was on the

40:43

floor. Um, I understand

40:45

moving off from him campaign provides

40:47

better shooting. Better

40:50

ball handling. He's a better fit. In

40:52

my opinion, he's not a dog like Patrick Beverly. Um,

40:55

but I mean, ultimately I think it's a better

40:57

fit for them and it's also a better fit

40:59

for the bucks. They, they get a dog on

41:01

their team. They get a better point of attack

41:03

defender who can provide some energy. The concern I'd

41:06

have for the buck side of things

41:08

is that. Dr. Rivers sure

41:10

as hell does love playing veteran players.

41:12

This is just another guy playing a

41:14

lot of Jackson who's better than Patrick

41:16

Beverly already. Uh, like in terms of

41:18

talent level, Beverly is just more proven,

41:21

more experienced. Uh, but I

41:23

hope doc eventually gives Andre Jackson some opportunities.

41:25

I think he's fully deserving of them. How

41:27

about the sons at Royce

41:29

O'Neill? I saw you like that

41:31

deal. And then they added,

41:34

uh, our buddy David Roddy from

41:36

Memphis in another deal. So they

41:38

added some, uh, some wings there

41:40

to go along with, uh, Booker,

41:42

KD and Beal. I like

41:45

the Royce O'Neill acquisition. He's an, he's an upgrade.

41:47

It's kind of a good consolidation trade for

41:49

them. And they keep this year little as

41:51

well. Um, but Royce O'Neill, he's a solid

41:54

three point shooter. He's very good at attacking

41:56

close outs. He, you know, hopefully

41:58

he can get closer to what he was defensive. The

42:00

way and you drive a solid overall

42:02

defender. He's back, radios on a stopper

42:04

by any means. I don't think defense

42:06

really matters for the sons and all.

42:08

they just wanted a better fit all

42:10

sensibly. I think I'm Sir. Vogel will

42:13

talk about the defense O'neill provides. It

42:15

doesn't match or it's it's It's about

42:17

optimizing that Alfredsson further increasing their efficiency

42:19

on that end of the floor, creating

42:21

more half court defensive opportunities the more

42:23

you score. Ah, but I think worse.

42:25

O'neill helps sit, is A is a

42:27

glue guy in that situation and with.

42:30

David Roddy Do you think do you think

42:32

he does add something defensively the that team

42:34

has shooting Why's that is not panned out

42:36

for him? He's a solid smart player, but

42:38

he's not a shooter by any means but

42:40

defensively. Duffy now you know think some of

42:43

it's super disappointed with the shooting because no

42:45

no no I do think I I think

42:47

he is. Again, A

42:50

dog guides got play hard. A guy

42:52

that's got to take every assignment he

42:54

gets. You. Know super seriously

42:56

God's gonna class the boards the I

42:58

think I think is actually good to

43:01

augment stars. You know,

43:03

I think we talk about guys like ever

43:05

to be connectors in the league. I. Think

43:07

this is situation not unlike probably to

43:09

Grant Williams one or the Jae Crowder

43:12

one we talked about before. Which.

43:14

Is. You. Know. A place like

43:16

Memphis is built for. Drive.

43:19

In touch, the pay ticket out to

43:21

threes. right? That's how you're going to. That's.

43:23

All You're going to exist around. Jamarat.

43:27

And it's like and and I wish he could have

43:29

turned into a guy that you pick it out and

43:31

he gets that. Butt. Naked Three and.

43:34

Nails. It. But. He doesn't. He misses

43:36

it. He misses all of them. I. Routinely.

43:40

And. I. Do think

43:42

that. In. Phoenix.

43:45

You. Have to do any shooting. You.

43:47

Got to be the was the boss of

43:49

right Hugo. Would you set the screen? Did

43:52

you tagged the basket? You do the dirty

43:54

work and you take some kind of assignment.

43:57

Of the guys always gotta play hard to guys always

43:59

gonna play with energy. And I

44:01

hope that, you know, he

44:03

started hitching on his shot this year. We've

44:06

seen this happen and I know you're

44:08

big on noticing this. It

44:10

started in summer league this year and

44:13

he just couldn't make a shot and he's got this hitch

44:15

in it now. And this

44:17

guy was a great, great scorer

44:20

in college, but hard-nosed

44:22

player, great teammate, and

44:25

I hope he can get the shot figured out

44:28

so he can, you know, fulfill his destiny because

44:30

it's just hard to be a wing in the

44:32

NBA that's not reliably knocking

44:34

down threes. I

44:37

do think on that team though,

44:39

the shots aren't a problem. So you just got

44:42

to do all the dirty work. You got

44:44

to go in there and be like Royce O'Neill and

44:46

you got to do all that other stuff. And

44:49

I do think he'll do whatever's asked of him. I don't think

44:51

he's going to be. So the other guy

44:53

that Memphis moved and I talked to you about

44:55

him yesterday, Xavier Tillman, I think he will

44:58

help Boston. I do. He,

45:02

again, not a guy that's going to bury

45:04

a bunch of threes, but it takes 53s.

45:09

You know, he can't make them. He

45:12

can make them. He can make them. Some

45:14

of us don't need any more three-point shooters. Yeah,

45:17

I know. It's like

45:21

he even called into action a couple of different times

45:24

and even has started playoff

45:26

games and is

45:28

a really good defender, another

45:30

good connector kind of guy.

45:33

And I think there's

45:35

guys in the league that can play 12

45:38

minutes and be productive. They'll go in there and

45:40

they get you four points and they'll grab you

45:42

three rebounds and they get you a steal. And

45:44

they may help you change momentum a little bit, get

45:47

you a block, something like that. And

45:50

then there's some guys that if you give them 8

45:52

to 12 minutes, they can't do shit.

45:55

But if you give them 25, 30

45:58

minutes, then they like actually produce. That they

46:00

they get the flow of the game or whatever like either.

46:02

Got a guy that no matter when you put him in

46:04

he will go in and produce. Like. He's

46:06

ready to play at all times. And.

46:09

Will go when and effect something you

46:12

will notice him. When. He gets

46:14

in the game. You'll do something. Whether

46:16

to rebound, block, the steal,

46:18

a pass, something. And.

46:23

They. Needed more size and is more.

46:25

You. Know of especially the Oh A

46:28

Present Guess and Orford Insurance. right?

46:31

So I actually really like the deal for boss and I

46:33

think Tillman I'll help them a div. Tillman.

46:35

The Like: another tool for a job

46:37

or Zola to use in certain situations.

46:39

He could be a Horford back up.

46:41

She can be that switch a ball,

46:43

versatile, defender of need and or for

46:45

him turned a corner of a need,

46:47

a suitor and a gym turned to

46:50

a Though Qaeda. If they want a

46:52

rebounding and rim protector they have different

46:54

guys as backup slide Horford and forcing

46:56

us to give them different looks depending

46:58

on the situation. In. China look

47:00

and see if there's anything we're gonna get

47:02

yelled at. Kallio and I are Elio and

47:04

for the Raptors past one. Kelly alone again

47:07

Bobbie. For. The raptors for clearly yell

47:09

about People get to say why did you talk

47:11

about the a minute deals Something to say that

47:13

really fear? I may I think that this is

47:15

an interesting deal to the rafters. Gave up a

47:17

first round pick. For. A thirty

47:19

too soon to be thirty two year

47:22

old center of going to be a

47:24

free agent and a body who has

47:26

not been good offensively. For the judges

47:28

are you know, ease of hustling defender,

47:30

He brings solid defence freshly in transition

47:32

but offensively hasn't panned out. And

47:34

I think for the Raptors, it's an interesting

47:37

deal in the sense that. It

47:39

touches. On the quality of draft. they

47:41

didn't want multiple first round draft picks this

47:43

year. So. I look at it like. They're

47:46

kicking the can forward in terms of

47:48

value. In. The sense that they

47:50

probably hope they can get something more

47:52

on the body, the baby feel they

47:54

can fix him offensively. And then

47:56

with a linux. He's. From Canada.

48:00

Sure, they feel some level of confidence. He'll want

48:02

to resign with the Raptors and, and,

48:04

you know, sign a contract there. And

48:06

maybe Kelly Olenek could continue

48:08

to maintain his value as a guy

48:10

who could eventually net them a late

48:12

first or an early second retaining the

48:14

value of this 2024

48:16

first that they're giving up. So I, I,

48:19

I'm not saying that it's a deal

48:21

without risk for the rappers or when it could leave,

48:23

like Bajji could end up busting and that 2024 pick

48:26

could end up turning into a really good player. Um,

48:28

but I get it from Toronto's

48:31

perspective to do that. And for Danny

48:34

Ainge and the jazz things. Yeah,

48:36

I do get it from, you don't, you don't like it from the Toronto

48:38

side at all. They did this shit.

48:40

What they did with the Yaka portal last year. What

48:42

are you doing? Giving up picks for these centers

48:46

that don't move the needle. I know, but

48:48

they already have a pick in the top

48:50

20. They might retain their own first, depending

48:52

on where it goes. The top six protected

48:54

going to San Antonio. Like, do you

48:56

want three first round draft picks this year? Probably

48:58

you don't want three. You still have

49:00

one or two. You don't have to

49:03

exercise all of them tomorrow. Of

49:05

course not. You can get to the draft and still

49:07

move stuff. Well,

49:09

let it fall in fire, man. And

49:11

I'm Bajji has shown 20 defensively. He

49:16

just hasn't panned out offensively.

49:19

Yo, if Danny Ainge is trading me him,

49:21

I don't want him. Danny

49:23

Ainge just got to look at him. It's not like Danny

49:25

Ainge. I've been wrong though. Danny's been

49:27

wrong too. Everybody's every everybody's been wrong.

49:31

Is there somebody that Danny Ainge traded away that

49:33

it came back to bite him that I don't

49:35

remember? Yeah. Kendrick Perkins for

49:37

Jeff Green. Okay.

49:40

All right. Jeff

49:43

Green was kind of weird.

49:45

I think he's still playing. Yeah, he is. The

49:48

right. He's

49:51

just won a championship with a nugget. He's still playing. Yeah.

49:54

So was he wrong? It

49:57

was wrong at the time. It was wrong at the time. considering

50:01

injuries happen at their center rotation and they really could

50:03

have used perch. But

50:05

that deal always comes to mind first for

50:08

the mistakes. He offered four first-round

50:10

draft picks. That's the one that came back to

50:12

haunt you? Really? I mean, I

50:14

don't know. He offered four first-round draft picks to go

50:16

get Justice Winslow. The deal

50:18

didn't happen. Yeah. Oh, you're right.

50:21

Sometimes it's the deals you don't make. I'm not

50:23

saying he's infallible. I'm just saying if he looked

50:25

at this guy and

50:27

then is willing to get rid of him already,

50:30

I'd be worried. Like, why doesn't he want

50:32

him? Yeah, but I mean, I get it.

50:34

I get it. But sometimes you know

50:36

you're giving up like, like, Bodgy's only 23 right now.

50:40

He turns 24 in April on 420. He

50:44

just booked up his birthday. He's

50:46

a little bit older. I'm sure on Danny's side of

50:48

things, he might still think that Bodgy can turn him

50:50

to a good player, but he'd rather have

50:53

the draft pick and the versatility on draft

50:55

night. Maybe there's somebody he has his eye

50:57

on come June. And

50:59

then he wants that versatility. He didn't pick him. He

51:03

was part of a trade, but he didn't pick him.

51:05

So he's not married to that talent

51:07

evaluation that you sometimes can

51:10

be where you just want to keep believing in the

51:12

guy that you originally evaluated.

51:16

So he was part of that Cleveland deal, right? They

51:18

picked him. Yeah. So

51:20

I'm not mistaken. What was the date of that trade though? That

51:25

was... What? That

51:27

was the... Okay. That was

51:29

September. Yeah. He wasn't... Market

51:31

and deal, right? You're right. Yeah. It

51:34

was the market and deal, but I forgot the date

51:36

of the deal that actually happened. The draft obviously is

51:38

in June. The trade happened

51:40

on September 1st. So

51:43

it's not like it was a draft night deal

51:45

where he dictated who was being selected. Yeah.

51:48

So he just... That was a Cavs pick

51:50

back then. All right. I think we pretty

51:52

much covered every trade deal. This trade deadline

51:55

stunk, Kevin. I know. It really did. It's

51:58

more to Minnesota. Yes.

52:01

Fine. Fine. That

52:03

gives him a backup guard. Gives him

52:05

a backup guard. Din Whitty's gonna be waved because

52:07

Schruder and Thad Young went to the Nets. Din

52:10

Whitty to the Raptors. Din Whitty maybe he signs

52:12

with the Lakers. You don't

52:14

want an Abbe going to the Grizzlies. I was

52:16

right about him. I told you during the offseason

52:18

I didn't buy a three-point jumper. That

52:20

was spot on. This is a

52:22

homecoming, dude. Jaden Springer to the Celtics. That's an

52:24

interesting one for the Sixers. You don't want an

52:27

Abbe. Welcome

52:29

back, video, the whole thing. Yeah, it'll be nice.

52:31

He's coming back to work. He's coming back to

52:33

work. He's coming back to where it all began.

52:37

I'm going over to the arena tonight

52:39

because I'm going to watch the Grizzlies play against the

52:41

Bulls. I'm going to go find a Bulls executive.

52:44

And I'm going to tell them, Kevin O'Connor said, you guys

52:48

are disgusting. They are. You're

52:50

absolutely disgusting. It's not even... If

52:53

I were Arturis, AKA their

52:55

GM, I'd quit. I'd

52:57

rather be an assistant somewhere else than run that

52:59

team. You're not in

53:01

a situation where you're empowered to make the moves

53:03

that you think are best in the franchise. The

53:05

Ryzen Dwarfs, they're the problem. They're

53:07

fine with mediocrity. The Ryzen Dwarfs are

53:09

the people dictating all like, we're not

53:12

trading to Ellis Caruso for multiple first

53:14

round draft picks and Moses Moody. They're

53:17

the ones unwilling to move to Marta Rosen, who's

53:19

a free agent and a handful of months. They're

53:22

the ones trading Wendell Carter and a future

53:24

first that turns into Franz Wagner to go

53:26

get Nikola Vuchevich. They're the

53:28

people that want to be mediocre and just sell a

53:30

couple of first round playoff tickets, but you're not even

53:32

good enough to make the playoffs. That's

53:34

the problem. It's the Ryzen Dwarfs. So if I were

53:37

AKA, I'd quit and go work somewhere else. You

53:42

think he hasn't made a trade? What

53:45

did Zach Cram put up in

53:47

30 months? By

53:50

the way, it's Brine's Dwarf,

53:52

the Ryzen Dwarfs. I was

53:54

like, what? I don't know. I don't

53:56

know how to pronounce anything, dude. And

54:00

the father same way. Destroy

54:02

the guy's legacy. The

54:05

rising door. Jerry Rines Dorff is like,

54:07

is he talking about me? Why

54:11

does he hate me so much? The

54:13

rising door. The

54:16

frigging rising door. Jerry

54:18

Rines Dorff. I hope you're listening to this. He'd

54:21

be like, who is this guy talking about? He's

54:28

probably reading his Bible. From the

54:30

book of Galatine. What

54:32

is Galatians anyway? All

54:38

right. Well, this was a dud of a trade

54:41

deadline. I certainly wish we were talking about more

54:43

things that were going to move

54:46

the needle, big winners, Nick's,

54:49

Mavs. Uh, maybe

54:51

some of these other stuff will show up,

54:53

you know, Kevin thinks it's a sneaky, really

54:55

good move for Gordon Hayward, uh,

54:58

with Oklahoma city. And then what,

55:00

I guess big losers are, uh, the

55:03

rising door and Lakers and Warriors

55:08

who have two of the Lakers

55:11

warriors, two of the greatest players in the history of

55:13

the world, neither of

55:15

which, uh, properly

55:17

equipped them for battle when

55:19

it comes to playoff time. Is that fair? That's

55:23

who you started off by being disappointed with. It

55:27

does suck that they don't have the goods. Curry

55:29

or LeBron probably don't, not that probably

55:32

do not have the goods to

55:34

be able to go and compete at the highest level. It's

55:37

really crazy at their age. It's

55:40

too bad. All right,

55:42

Kevin, it's always a pleasure. Thank you to our

55:45

executive producer, Jesse Lopez is always, and I will

55:47

talk to you next week. Have a good night.

55:49

Chris. Enjoy the game. Hold her ass. Yeah. Must

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