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Welcome to the mismatch. I'm Chris Vernon

2:06

and joining me as he does every Monday night from

2:08

the ringer.com is Kevin O'Connor, AKA Kevin

2:10

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2:12

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2:14

Kevin O blizzard, and Kevin O Candyland.

2:21

Welcome back to Memphis. After

2:23

your time announcing the golf tournament,

2:25

how are you doing? Yeah, I was in Stamford,

2:28

Connecticut. I like Stamford, Connecticut.

2:30

I give it high marks

2:32

and as well as everybody had

2:34

food. You had their best restaurant.

2:37

Uh, I did the pizza places, you know, they tried

2:40

to do that. There's a couple of those places

2:42

that are like the new Haven style.

2:45

One of them is Sally's Sally's a

2:47

pizza. I had twice

2:50

while I was there. That was probably,

2:54

yeah. New Haven is similar to

2:56

what I grew up with in South shore,

2:58

Massachusetts. Similar. Yeah.

3:01

And I didn't make it over to colony,

3:03

which everybody kept telling me to go to colony pizza

3:07

in, uh,

3:08

Stamford. And I wish I would have made

3:10

it over there, but yeah, the food was good.

3:12

The town was quaint, could

3:15

walk around everything. And, uh,

3:17

you like the pizza important question. Pizza

3:20

good. You like that kind of thin crust,

3:22

the crunchy, crunchy, buttery

3:24

crust, right? Yes. Yeah.

3:26

I like the pizza. I'm glad you like it someday.

3:28

I mean, we'll, we'll never probably be in Massachusetts

3:31

at the same time, but if we are, I'm going

3:33

to take you down to South shore, Massachusetts, and we'll

3:35

go get some pizza at a Linwood

3:37

and Randolph or, or,

3:39

uh, yeah. Towns, Bob Stoughton,

3:42

poopsies and Pembroke, number of

3:44

different places for some bar pizza. Yeah.

3:46

I've heard there's amazing pizza there for sure.

3:48

All right. So look, it's draft

3:50

week,

3:52

which you'd figure we

3:54

were going to be doing a draft preview

3:56

pod of sort, but man.

4:01

The news that took place since we last

4:03

spoke has now

4:05

blown the draft out of the water in terms

4:08

of big stories in the NBA

4:10

because of what took place with

4:12

the Phoenix Suns trading for Brad

4:15

Beale. So the news breaks

4:18

that Brad Beale, who we thought

4:20

would be on the move, and certainly

4:23

there was a lot of chatter

4:24

that the Wizards were working on

4:26

this and that the

4:29

other teams that they were talking to were

4:32

trying to put something together to land him somewhere

4:34

other than Washington.

4:37

But we knew there was going to be a challenge with his no trade

4:39

clause. So anyways, kind of knew

4:41

it was coming. It still was surprising

4:44

to see it come across the wire and

4:46

then to see it be Phoenix. So

4:49

when the contents of the trade comes

4:52

out and you see that Chris Paul is being moved

4:54

along with Landry Shamet, some

4:56

second round draft picks, etc. What

4:59

was your first reaction when you saw

5:02

the Brad Beale deal? Well, I'll

5:04

give you my first reaction and then my

5:06

I sat with it reaction. My first

5:08

reaction was, wow, this

5:10

is a lot of overlapping redundant

5:13

players on the Suns. Brad Beale, Devin

5:15

Booker, Kevin Durant, how much on-ball

5:17

scoring can you really have? Is there

5:19

diminishing returns here for these guys? The

5:22

reaction that I had today,

5:25

as I've sat with this more,

5:27

as I was writing on it last night

5:29

was, this is a home run deal for

5:31

the Phoenix Suns. And the reason for that

5:34

is simply because there is no better

5:36

deal

5:37

out there for the ghost of Chris

5:39

Paul, Landry Shamet, who was not

5:41

good. And you know, some

5:44

below average value picks,

5:46

some swaps and second round picks. They

5:48

were not doing any better this offseason

5:51

than getting Bradley Beale. This is a definitive

5:53

upgrade for them. Beale looked

5:55

back at what he did with John Wall, what

5:57

he was an off-ball ace, a cutter, a mover,

5:59

coming off screens and handoffs, you'll

6:02

see a ton of that with the Phoenix Suns now,

6:04

and they're gonna share the ball. Those guys

6:06

can all play with and without the ball.

6:09

It's gonna be beautiful offense. They upgraded,

6:12

and they still have the DeAndre eight-and-piece

6:14

on their team that they could either decide to keep

6:17

or flip. So the Suns still have

6:19

more moves to make in this situation. My

6:21

first reaction was, oh

6:24

boy, here comes another new

6:26

owner. I've covered this

6:28

before. I've covered two owners

6:31

that took over teams. We've

6:33

seen it happen throughout all

6:36

sports. Obviously, we talked about basketball

6:39

here on the mismatch, but we've also seen

6:41

it in other sports where

6:43

a new ownership takes over,

6:45

and there is so many things that

6:48

become common with

6:50

taking over a new team, and that is that

6:52

they're always highly

6:55

involved at the beginning. Lot

6:58

of big splash stuff that

7:00

takes place. Lot of word about

7:02

them being on the phone calls, about

7:05

them getting deals done,

7:07

and then by the time

7:09

after a few years that

7:12

their big splashes haven't worked out

7:15

and they've spent a fortune,

7:18

then they turn

7:20

the other way. At

7:22

the beginning, the spending is

7:24

unlimited, and they're just gonna go

7:26

through with it. We saw it with Mikhail

7:29

Prokorov when he took over the net.

7:32

I saw it here in Memphis where

7:34

they threw $93 million at Chandler

7:36

Parsons. There's always the big move.

7:38

The new owner is very, very involved

7:41

at the beginning,

7:42

and then eventually, even with, I've

7:46

read a bunch of books about

7:48

how

7:49

the Patriots turned into the Patriots,

7:51

and one of the old things, you'll remember the famous

7:53

press conference where they had

7:56

a great coach in Bill Parcells,

7:58

and he went to the podium and he said...

8:00

famously,

8:01

you'd think if they want you to cook the

8:03

meal, they'd let you shop for the groceries.

8:06

That was a direct hit

8:09

at

8:10

Robert Kraft. So Robert Kraft then brings

8:12

in a guy that's more of a

8:15

agreeable fellow in Pete

8:18

Carroll, and Robert Kraft

8:20

is very involved, and he's very involved.

8:23

Then he just decided, you know what? I don't

8:25

know this as well as guys that

8:28

do this for a living, that evaluate players for a

8:30

living,

8:30

and there's a skill set here.

8:33

So he said, I realize

8:36

my error of my ways. I'm going to back off

8:38

and I'm going to let Phil Belichick,

8:41

and the powers that be, and the front office run

8:43

this. They run football. I'll

8:46

stand back and I'll fund the operation. Obviously,

8:49

it reaped tremendous benefits for

8:51

him. We've seen a lot of my favorite

8:53

team, the Dallas Cowboys have had an overzealous

8:56

owner for the last 20 something

8:58

years that thinks he knows better and

9:00

is always involved in things.

9:04

So when I saw this, I'm like, oh boy,

9:06

here we go again with the new owner.

9:09

He already made the splash with Kevin Durant.

9:11

Now he's going to make the splash with Brad Beal.

9:14

We'll see how long he's

9:16

willing to do this. I think that

9:19

I was listening to Brian Winhorse say,

9:22

once you're putting together this team

9:25

and you are going

9:27

to be paying people,

9:30

you're going to be in the

9:32

second apron in order to build a team

9:34

good enough. And so at that

9:36

point,

9:37

the penalties of the second apron

9:39

are the penalties of the second apron, the draft

9:42

pick stuff, the ability to get free agents

9:44

on and on and on, right? That Ford

9:46

it's worth that, that is

9:49

layered in year by year. It's not

9:52

all of us here. Right, but

9:54

once you're in the whole concept

9:57

was, once you're in the second apron, you're in the second apron.

9:59

You're in for. a nickel or if you're

10:01

in for a bazillion dollars. And

10:03

so they're just going to be in for a bazillion dollars.

10:06

They're just going to blow through the second apron. That's

10:09

the penalties.

10:10

There's no way that they can have this team without

10:14

being in the second apron. There's no way to do it.

10:16

They've already got their

10:18

pot committed, but the point

10:20

was they were already pot committed when

10:22

they did the Durant thing. And in

10:25

order to build out that

10:27

team, now they're just going to go all

10:29

in and spend, spend, spend. They're

10:32

not going to be done spending, right? They're going to make

10:34

a decision on Tori Craig. They're going to make a decision on

10:36

guys to bring back. And

10:39

yes, they are going to have limitations, but

10:41

they're going to spend a lot. And

10:43

my concern would be

10:46

when you spend like this, you've

10:48

got to win or else

10:51

you're going to see a dramatic reaction

10:53

the other way. And the one thing

10:55

about Beal being that guy

10:58

that you get is that

11:01

we can freely admit there's a possibility

11:04

it doesn't work. Okay. So

11:07

nothing is a sure thing. We've learned this a thousand

11:09

times. Maybe the combination of

11:11

players isn't what we think

11:13

it can be even offensively. Maybe

11:16

you get the injuries. Maybe the personalities

11:19

clash. Maybe Frank Vogel

11:21

can't get it all to work together and

11:24

it doesn't work.

11:27

He carried over his no trait.

11:30

So now how

11:32

do you get out of it if it doesn't work?

11:35

And it's certainly a consideration.

11:37

It just seems like

11:38

they're just going to run into this money

11:40

wise and roster wise with

11:43

reckless abandon. And to me,

11:45

of course, you're adding

11:47

talent to this roster. And

11:49

you've got to build out the rest of this team. But

11:52

it is going to cost you an absolute fortune

11:54

to do it. There's not going to be an easy

11:57

way out after you do it if

11:59

it doesn't work. it. So it better

12:01

win. It better win. That's

12:04

for sure. You know, and the

12:07

owner is so involved is

12:09

because of you saw, you know,

12:12

the comments over the Durant thing. I called

12:15

Joe, we got on the phone, whatever.

12:18

And then just to advance that,

12:20

Chris Paul did an interview with the New York Times today, said

12:23

he talked

12:24

to James Jones that morning.

12:27

And the reason he kept saying in

12:29

the interview, this

12:30

is the direction that Matt and Isaiah

12:32

wanted to go. This

12:34

is, I guess this is the direction that

12:36

Matt and Isaiah want to go. It leads

12:39

you to believe that this was

12:41

not what the GM

12:43

wanted. It is not what

12:45

the GM conveyed to him. And

12:48

that this is the

12:50

owner, you know, using his

12:53

ultimate authority

12:54

on the advice of Isaiah

12:56

Thomas to do this deal. And

12:59

that is always a tough one too.

13:01

When you're talking about chain

13:03

of command and making sure everybody's

13:06

pulling the same rope. I mean, it's a, this

13:08

is new owner 101. We've seen it

13:11

before. Yeah, for sure. I mean,

13:13

I've said it to you on this podcast that he met,

13:15

you know, Ishpia has been talking to Isaiah

13:18

Thomas a whole bunch that Isaiah

13:20

Thomas was part of the coaching discussions

13:22

and a whole bunch else. I mean, I don't think that's

13:24

really anything new. Chris Paul definitely wants

13:26

that to be part of the conversation by

13:29

mentioning it over and over and over again in that

13:31

interview. So clearly

13:33

he has his agenda for doing

13:35

that

13:36

with Isaiah Thomas, not having an official

13:38

role with the team, but still having a voice. I'm

13:41

sure Chris Paul is also just salty.

13:43

He wanted to be part of the team moving forward as well.

13:46

I think James Jones is probably

13:48

also, I

13:49

mean, James, look, I get it. You're

13:51

probably like, what the hell am I here for?

13:53

Well,

13:53

I think everybody there is probably like that right

13:55

now, considering the fact that the Suns are

13:58

having so many changes across.

13:59

all levels of the organization

14:02

and it's all happening so fast. With

14:04

that said though, at the end of the

14:06

day, this is a better roster right

14:08

now, but it's incomplete. They

14:10

have four guys on guaranteed contracts,

14:13

Katie, Book, Beal,

14:15

and then DeAndre Aiden. They have campaign-ish

14:18

Wainwright, on non-guaranteed

14:21

deals and they have a bunch of free agents. What

14:23

do they do from here?

14:24

To me, the next thing to complete this

14:27

roster out is something involving

14:29

DeAndre Aiden. Oh, 100%. It's

14:31

gotta be that. It's flipping him in a trade. You

14:34

can either trade him into a team

14:36

that has cap space, say the Spurs

14:38

or the Rockets, Oklahoma City,

14:41

somebody like that, and then you could free

14:43

up the mid-level exception. You could go after

14:45

somebody like a Kyle Kuzma type

14:47

or you trade him outright

14:50

in a regular deal for near equal

14:52

salaries for multiple parts. They need wings.

14:55

They need to figure out the big man position if they

14:57

move Aiden. Personally, what I would do

15:00

is go cheap at the center position, bring

15:02

back Jock Landale, bring

15:03

back Biz McBiambo,

15:05

go cheap at center, and then try

15:07

to make as much improvements as you can at the

15:10

wing position. So Frank Vogel's

15:12

not having to rely on Josh Okogi

15:14

and Tori Craig to space the floor when they're getting

15:17

ignored by the Nuggets defense in

15:19

a rematch playoff series next

15:22

May.

15:23

That's the priority, I think, in building around

15:26

Bill Booker and Duran. Yeah,

15:28

I mean, it would be interesting to see. Maybe James

15:31

Jones will get to make the Aiden trade, maybe not,

15:33

maybe Ishpia just gets on the phone with somebody else

15:35

and makes that trade too. But

15:37

I'd take Aiden and I'd trade him for multiple

15:39

role players and a couple of draft picks

15:42

because you've got to have the draft picks and

15:44

I got to nail them, but you've got

15:46

to have guys on your roster that

15:48

can outperform their contracts, that

15:50

can actually play for you, you

15:52

know, hit those, even if it's just some

15:54

veteran guys, right? Maybe you're

15:56

drafting some seniors

15:58

that can come in could play

16:00

for you a role

16:02

and learn how to play

16:04

and give you some minutes because

16:06

even the price of role players now, like

16:09

high level ones, is going to be too great.

16:11

You

16:11

know, you even mentioned Kuzma. Kuzma's not signing

16:14

anywhere for the mid-level. He's getting way more

16:16

than that. Yeah, I don't know. Maybe not.

16:19

Oh, come on. He's getting way more than

16:21

that. I don't know who's going to sign them

16:23

with Caps. Yeah, sure, I will bet who's going

16:25

to sign them for more than the mid-level exception. What'd

16:27

you say? It's 12 million?

16:29

Yeah, which team with Caps

16:31

base is going to sign in for more than the mid-level exception?

16:33

Well, I mean, there's going to always be sign-in

16:36

trades as well, Kevin. Yes, there

16:38

always could be, but of the teams with Caps

16:40

base,

16:41

Rocket- It doesn't have to be, but you're limiting

16:43

that to like four-plus teams. Sure, but let's

16:45

focus on those first. Rocket, Jazz, Spurs,

16:48

Thunder, Pistons, Pacers, Magic.

16:50

Are any of them signing Kuzma to more

16:52

than the mid-level

16:53

at 12 million annually?

16:56

Probably not. Probably

16:58

not, but again, they're

17:01

going to have a complete

17:03

clean out there in Washington, and

17:06

so I would think a sign-in trade is much more likely.

17:09

That's what I would guess, right?

17:11

Signing him to a deal there and then

17:13

trading him for assets from

17:16

another team. Maybe he wants to

17:18

go back out west, even

17:20

if it's for a little bit less money. It's possible,

17:23

but this is cash-in time for Kuzma. For

17:26

sure, yeah, it is. This is going to be the best contract you ever get.

17:28

By the way, that's just

17:30

one name I'm throwing up there. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I get it. I'm just

17:32

saying- What I'm saying is- I'm just saying, if you

17:35

deal Aten, you open up the mid-level

17:37

exception. That's all I mean.

17:39

Yes, and with Aten,

17:41

I would go and I would get a couple role

17:43

players and I would get some

17:46

draft picks.

17:47

Some guys- This is how I'm filling out my

17:49

roster, and again, it's great. You

17:52

got to nail those

17:54

draft picks because

17:56

those are guys that

17:59

can be on your roster. for the next four

18:01

years at, you know, if you

18:03

can get from that back of that first round

18:05

and nail them, it's the greatest value

18:08

in the entire NBA, truly.

18:11

If you could find somebody in,

18:14

from 20 to 30, that

18:16

can play for you for four

18:18

years while making a million

18:20

bucks, two million bucks, that's

18:24

as good a value as you could possibly get.

18:27

Maybe you could hit one and, you

18:29

know, you got to be great at talent evaluation. Maybe

18:31

you can nail some undrafteds. And

18:34

that's where the talent evaluation thing is going to be

18:38

so big for them. You know, develop

18:40

player development, using

18:43

their G league team, finding

18:45

G league players or undrafted

18:47

players, finding late

18:50

first round or possibly second round

18:52

draft picks that they can add

18:54

to the roster. And those are the

18:56

things that can truly swing

18:59

it for them. But

19:02

we don't know, you know, obviously

19:05

their talent evaluation was not so

19:07

great because

19:08

their roster was tragically

19:12

exposed against Denver

19:15

and in the playoffs for that matter. So

19:18

that's how you got to fill out the rest of the thing. You're

19:21

already paying a fortune for the team,

19:23

but in order to fill out the rest of the roster,

19:25

you got vet men stuff and

19:28

we'll see what kind of talent evaluators you are because

19:33

that's really, that's

19:35

really going to be what

19:37

they're charged with doing in terms of

19:39

filling out that roster. Yeah.

19:42

I mean, bottom line,

19:44

the sun's got better, but the rock,

19:46

it's incomplete. It's, it's

19:48

hard to judge what type

19:50

of team they'll actually have until we know what they do

19:52

with DeAndre Aiten, who they target

19:54

in free agency and how this roster shapes up.

19:56

At this point, it's an upgrade for now, but we

19:59

don't know what the rest of the team is.

19:59

team is going to look like. It was the right decision

20:02

to make. Chris Paul is still

20:04

solid, but

20:05

he's nowhere near what he was over the first

20:07

two and a half years with the Suns when he helped lead

20:10

them into becoming a finals

20:12

team, making playoff runs. But

20:14

at this point, it is very clearly

20:16

an upgrade. Like, Shamit, you got to respect

20:19

Landry Shamit, a good guy. He hustles,

20:22

he plays hard. Why does everybody want to get rid of

20:24

him? Yeah, he's not a

20:26

good basketball player. So Bradley Beal is a significant

20:28

upgrade. And I think with Beal, there's

20:31

been like, this is not

20:33

Nets part two for Kevin

20:35

Durant. That team was

20:37

great in its own right. James Harden, the

20:39

playmaker, Kyrie, a versatile piece.

20:42

They had some very good teams, but this is

20:44

different in the sense that Bradley Beal has

20:46

a history of thriving off ball. Booker

20:49

does as well. So does KD. So

20:51

this is going to be a different flavor than what we've

20:53

seen with those past iterations

20:55

for Kevin Durant with Brooklyn and

20:57

with the Warriors and with Oklahoma City. This

20:59

is something different. So I look

21:01

forward to seeing how the rest of this roster takes shape

21:04

because that's going to determine what type of system Frank

21:06

Bogle installs for them. And I

21:08

think we're going to see a lot of

21:10

point book, a lot of Booker running

21:12

point for them at this current stage.

21:15

Yeah, I am always of the

21:17

opinion that you have the stars

21:19

and you fill it out with role players. You've

21:22

got your two guys

21:23

and you fill it out with role players. We just

21:25

praise

21:26

Calvin Booth. It's like, all right, you got your

21:28

guys. These are going to be your high volume

21:31

guys. These are going to be your high usage guys.

21:34

Now fill it out with role players, right?

21:36

Get your Condemius Caldwell Pope. Get

21:38

your Bruce Brown.

21:40

Nail a draft pick in Christian Brown.

21:42

Find another guy that could give you

21:44

some minutes in Jeff Green on

21:47

a cheap contract, right? Like this

21:49

is exactly what we talked about.

21:51

And that's

21:54

my great concern is, A,

21:57

it's not how I build a team. I understand why

21:59

it's happening. My two are

22:01

that's not how I think you should build a team.

22:03

I Think you've

22:06

got your two Super duper

22:08

stars

22:09

and you just have to fill out

22:11

great guys that understand their role around

22:13

them and I

22:15

Will see if Brad Biel can be

22:18

Ray Allen You know what I mean

22:20

as it were before if we're gonna go back to some

22:23

time that it worked or Chris Bosch For

22:25

that matter right the the teams

22:27

that threw together big stars and

22:29

it did actually work

22:31

you know the the guy that can

22:34

thrive as

22:36

A guy doing less

22:38

and maybe Brad Biel's perfect for that at this

22:40

point in his career We've seen him average 30 points

22:43

a game. And so maybe he can be the Ray Allen

22:45

Maybe he can be the Chris Bosch, but he's gonna

22:47

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22:48

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23:29

We talked about Boston we talked about Milwaukee

23:32

we've talked about Denver

23:35

most recently these teams that

23:37

have exuded a tremendous amount of patience and

23:40

Seen it through Golden State as well

23:43

and have reaped the benefits from it

23:45

and it feels like Are

23:47

you gonna be patient if it doesn't work?

23:50

It's very hard to be patient when you're paying a bazillion

23:52

dollars for a team And so

23:55

are you gonna be able to see it through

23:57

let guys go and maybe

23:59

lose it?

23:59

the playoffs before you win in the playoffs?

24:02

Or is this just going to be a,

24:05

man, I spent a billion

24:07

dollars win now, win that,

24:09

and if it doesn't work, then

24:11

you're bailing on it. And in a couple

24:14

of years, you're going

24:16

into rebuild and we've got the next

24:18

thing all over. How crazy would that be? What

24:20

karma would that be? If those

24:23

nets picks goes out forever,

24:26

you know, on the Durant deal.

24:29

And so imagine if by the time

24:32

those nets picks come around, you know,

24:36

this, this owner has just decided, okay,

24:38

we took our run at the title and it

24:41

didn't work. And so now we're going to,

24:43

we're going to start rebuilding and

24:46

then those picks end up being great. Would

24:48

be kind of crazy because those picks go

24:50

out a long way. Yeah. Well,

24:52

the net, the net's going to feel like they're winners

24:54

here in the sense that the sons are going

24:57

even more all in, in the short term.

24:59

Yeah. They're going to be feeling

25:01

good here as a team that was uninvolved in this trade,

25:04

but they have the future value there.

25:06

And for the wizard side of things, we haven't talked

25:08

about them with the flip side

25:10

of this. I mean,

25:11

what a bummer. What a disappointment that

25:13

this is all you get for Bradley Beal after everybody

25:16

kind of saw this coming once he got that no trade

25:18

clause. But I mean, I know there's

25:20

been mixed reports about

25:23

their intentions on wanting the Andre

25:25

and they're not wanting the Andre and I've heard they

25:27

didn't want Aten that they wanted expiring

25:30

deals so that they could then set up

25:32

to take on bad money and

25:34

future assets. I think that's

25:36

the path that they intend on going here.

25:39

But ultimately for the wizards, I

25:41

mean, the fact you also give up Isaiah

25:43

Todd, granted he was not good in the G league

25:46

last year and Goodwin, who's

25:48

a tough hard nosed defender off your bench last

25:50

year. It's a two way guy. The fact you're also giving

25:52

up those two guys too. It's just like, man,

25:55

they really held you over a barrel in this

25:57

deal to get all that.

26:00

things. Number

26:02

one. Oh, one last comment on Phoenix.

26:04

Look, when we're talking about not having

26:07

patience going for it now, you've got Kevin

26:09

Durant. You have to go try to win the title right.

26:11

Of course. You have no time to be

26:14

patient when you've got Kevin Durant. He doesn't

26:16

have,

26:17

we don't have unlimited time here in

26:19

terms of him being the

26:21

guy when you're getting into, you

26:24

know, this many seasons in the league.

26:26

So on the wizard side, yeah,

26:29

it sucks. You obviously should have traded

26:31

Brad Biel before you gave him $200 million and

26:33

a no trade as you wrote in your column.

26:36

I mean, it's just an egregious

26:39

mistake. Truly. Yeah. Big time.

26:42

And being said, if

26:44

I am Michael

26:46

Winger, they're in

26:48

this weird spot where I don't

26:52

think that they,

26:56

I don't think there was the market for Brad

26:58

Biel that maybe was conjured

27:01

up. I don't think they had a lot

27:03

of options here. And of course

27:06

Phoenix, of course you'd want first rounders

27:08

back news flash. Phoenix

27:11

ain't got that. You can't get that,

27:13

right? And so at that point,

27:16

I can't get first rounders. If I'm

27:18

him, like anybody

27:20

that's taking over a team and

27:23

you're going to blow the whole thing up, then

27:25

you just, I want the

27:28

deck as cleared

27:30

as I can get it. And so

27:32

yeah, it sucks.

27:34

I'm not getting returned, but I also

27:37

don't want return. That's money

27:39

on my books going forward.

27:42

Like

27:42

I want the best opportunity to

27:45

mold this roster into whatever

27:48

the next

27:49

incarnation of it's going to be

27:51

and having money

27:54

on the books

27:56

for somebody going forward that could

27:58

hamstring me from that.

28:00

I, like I said

28:02

to you with the, when we go back to the Kuzma thing,

28:05

now I take Kuzma,

28:07

I take Porzingis and I get

28:09

as much as I possibly can for them.

28:12

I don't let them hit unrestricted.

28:14

I get as much value as I can.

28:16

And that means I'm trying

28:19

to get trafficked. I'm trying to get young

28:21

players. I'm trying to get what I can

28:24

back for them. Young players that maybe I believe

28:27

in

28:27

and trafficked as

28:30

many as I can for those

28:32

guys. And again,

28:34

without putting a ton of money on the books and

28:37

then I get to start my rebuild. So

28:39

yeah, it sucks. But in

28:41

terms of what you want back, I

28:44

mean, the other thing Phoenix doesn't have

28:47

is anybody with like some promise. You'd

28:49

love for them to have like somebody that was like

28:51

roster spot 10 for 15 that you could

28:54

have gone and get that turns out to be

28:57

something really good.

28:59

Maybe down the road that didn't get his opportunity

29:02

yet or whatever. There was no young player to

29:04

go snatch that might have

29:06

some promise to them. And so I think that's

29:08

what I'm trying to do with the rest of my roster. I'm

29:10

blowing that thing up and I'm just trying to get young

29:13

guys and draft picks.

29:15

Right? Look at you, Vernal. Flow

29:17

it up. I love it. At this

29:20

point, what are they? I mean, they already have.

29:22

Yeah, now they already have. Yeah, for sure.

29:25

I'm with you. I have you kind of,

29:27

I mean, if you did check out my article today,

29:29

you saw the Chris Stapp Sporzingis blurb

29:32

in there about how I mentioned. My God.

29:34

We talked about.

29:35

But no, no, it's not all

29:38

stuff we talked about because yes,

29:40

you talked about, I think this guy could do this. I think

29:42

this guy could do this. I think he could help. You know,

29:44

you brought up Miami as a good fit and some

29:46

other teams. The

29:49

stats you had in that column on

29:53

drop coverage and posting

29:56

up.

29:56

You remember when the posting up thing was such a big

29:58

friggin deal on.

29:59

Arlyle and how

30:02

they just did not want to do it.

30:05

He wasn't good at it. He was ahead

30:07

of Jokic? Yeah.

30:10

I mean, as a score. On Poised Pro possession.

30:12

That's crazy. So the stat

30:14

that I had in there for the listeners

30:17

here. So on the ringer, I had an article for like

30:20

seven blurbs about stuff happening around

30:22

the league. One of them was about the Wizards and Porzingis.

30:25

It was a follow-up to our

30:27

conversation last week. And one

30:29

of the stats in there I had

30:31

his points per closeout. He was

30:33

top five in the league and

30:35

efficiency on attacking into

30:37

two point range on closeouts.

30:40

He used to struggle off the dribble

30:42

points per post up. He was number one in

30:44

the NBA when attempting to

30:46

score from the post. So this doesn't include passes

30:49

like Jokic, obviously is better than anybody. But

30:51

the top five number five was Pascal

30:53

Siakam, four and bead, three,

30:56

Luca, two Jokic and number

30:58

one, Chris Dabs Porzingis at one point two,

31:01

nine points per post up. He's

31:03

gotten a lot better from the post in recent years,

31:05

especially last season with the Wizards. And he

31:08

was also number four in points allowed

31:10

per pick and roll behind Anthony Davis,

31:12

Steven Adams, Jana Santo

31:14

da Cumpo and right ahead of Walker

31:16

Kessler. So KP

31:18

had as healthy a season, 65 games. He

31:21

also had his most productive season aside

31:23

from the volume scoring we saw from him in the

31:25

past. To me, I think the

31:27

Wizards, if he opts in,

31:29

flip them,

31:30

if he opts out, there should be a lot of teams

31:32

going for signing trades. It really doesn't change the

31:34

equation too much for the Wizards to

31:37

move on from him.

31:38

That's right. I'm just trying to get the maximum amount of value.

31:40

Yes. Again, I'm walking in there

31:42

as a new guy who I

31:45

just want to completely clean slate. You

31:47

know, I'm done with this. This wasn't my

31:50

roster.

31:51

This roster was made

31:53

thinking about with Brad Beal in

31:55

mind. That was their franchise guy.

31:57

That was the guy making two hundred million dollars.

31:59

And they're also

32:02

now guys that are not going

32:04

to fit my timeline

32:07

of winning. Orzingis doesn't

32:09

fit my timeline of winning. Kuzma

32:11

doesn't fit my timeline of winning. I'm

32:14

going young.

32:15

I'm building this thing out and I'm going to

32:17

try to,

32:19

I'm going to try to do it, you know, the right

32:22

way on the rebuild. And hopefully I get

32:24

lucky and hopefully I nail some draft picks

32:26

immediately. But I'm trying to just clear

32:29

the books as much as I can and

32:32

get as many assets as I can

32:35

in return for what was on that roster.

32:38

I was just going to have to take an L

32:40

on the bill crap. The guys

32:43

got a horrible

32:45

contract and

32:47

a no trade. I

32:49

can't ding them too much for the shit

32:52

return they got. Kuz

32:56

it's a bad contract and a no

32:58

trade clause. I just said

33:01

it's the one concern or one of the concerns

33:03

I have on the Phoenix side. Like

33:05

if it don't work, it's still hard to get

33:07

out of. You

33:10

know, it'll be $50 million

33:13

and telling you no, if

33:15

you want to move him to somebody that you could actually

33:17

get, you find a partner

33:20

for it. You know, it'll be even harder

33:22

as he gets older as well. Right.

33:25

And his value is not going up. We're never

33:28

seeing the 30 point per game Brad Beale

33:30

again. As long as he's in Phoenix,

33:33

he's the third best player on that team.

33:36

And so he's going to have to be Ray Allen. He's

33:39

going to have to be Chris Bosch. He's going

33:41

to have to fall in line. And

33:43

so now

33:46

you're viewed as the third best player on

33:49

a team. You're not even

33:51

the second best player on a team. And

33:54

so, yeah, like,

33:57

I don't know. I.

34:00

I just don't.

34:01

I, of course, when I saw

34:03

it, I was like, Jesus, they got nothing. Because

34:06

they'll move off of Paul.

34:08

Maybe they can flip Paul for something.

34:11

They're trying evidently, right? That's the word

34:13

out there. Maybe they could get

34:16

some meager return. What

34:19

do you think about that warrior's interest that

34:21

multiple people have reported that the warriors

34:23

like him? What do you think about that? I

34:26

would not be surprised with

34:28

anybody being anybody that

34:30

is trying to win tomorrow.

34:34

I would not be surprised that they were

34:36

interested in Chris Paul. Think

34:38

anybody that's trying to win next year would

34:41

be interested in him. Mm-hmm.

34:44

I do. Look at anybody. Anybody

34:47

that anybody is trying to win tomorrow because

34:50

he's literally a win next year

34:52

player. That's what you hope. Yep. And

34:55

again, he doesn't have to

34:57

be the guy. He doesn't

34:59

have to be the guy. He doesn't even have to be the second

35:02

guy. I think most

35:04

of the teams that are going to be interested in him

35:06

or wherever he ends up. But

35:09

if Chris Paul can just be the role-playing

35:12

smart great culture

35:15

locker room guy, I mean that we've seen we

35:18

saw Jason Kidd fall into this. The

35:21

Lakers don't win that bubble title without

35:23

Rondo. You know, like

35:26

your elder statesman smart been

35:28

in the mix makes a place shock

35:31

the world with a couple big games in the

35:33

playoffs or maybe even the finals and

35:37

I still believe Chris Paul could help someone

35:39

win at the highest level just

35:41

not as the best

35:44

player on the team or the second best player on the team

35:46

or maybe even the third best but as

35:49

a role-playing point guard, he could be dynamite.

35:52

Dynamite for somebody. So yeah,

35:55

anybody trying to win next year

35:57

bringing him in makes sense to me.

35:59

Yeah. with you there. I mean, I think he still has

36:01

something to offer, even though he's

36:03

declined. I'd be curious to see him for

36:05

the Warriors specifically. I don't

36:08

think that this fit makes as much

36:10

sense as the Lakers or

36:12

the Clippers do,

36:13

but I'm intrigued because with Draymond Green

36:16

at this point, I said this

36:18

to Tate Frazier on Through the Ringer this

36:20

morning, we were kind of just riffing. I'm curious

36:22

about your thoughts on this, Chris.

36:24

We were just riffing on Warriors interest in

36:26

Chris Ball and like the news had just come out

36:29

Monday morning that Draymond Green was opting

36:31

out of his contract and he'll hit

36:33

unrestricted free agency.

36:36

And the thought came up where like,

36:38

well, hey, if Draymond

36:41

were to leave for Phoenix

36:44

or Dallas or somewhere else,

36:46

wouldn't Chris Paul make sense for

36:48

Golden State? It's kind of that new guy who's

36:51

that guy bringing the ball up the floor, helping

36:53

facilitate like Draymond does for years,

36:55

different type of player, obviously Draymond Green

36:57

and Chris Paul. But in terms of the role

37:00

within the Warriors offense,

37:02

like he kind of makes sense as a contingency

37:04

plan for the potential loss

37:06

of a Draymond Green, right? Yeah,

37:08

I'd worry about obviously the defense.

37:11

It'd be, oh, of course. He's

37:14

just the heart and soul of the whole thing.

37:16

Draymond is and

37:20

I think the one that I heard was if, if

37:23

Harden does the Houston

37:25

thing and that's obviously a wait and see, Philly

37:28

could use him if James goes

37:30

off. If he

37:32

goes off somewhere and Daryl had

37:35

him in Houston, so that

37:37

would not be the most shocking thing. And I think he

37:39

could, I think he could even

37:42

help Maxie in a way that he helped

37:45

Giljes Alexander

37:47

become a huge star. I

37:49

think, you know, takes Maxie under his wing

37:52

too, but also Maxie

37:55

is there as your contingency

37:57

plan no matter. And maybe Maxie by the time we

38:00

get playoff time is starting and Paul's

38:03

okay with that. I think

38:05

that that's a decent fit.

38:07

That whole Draymond thing,

38:11

I saw the rich Paul quotes. That

38:13

was weird going on the record, huh? Yeah.

38:16

I know they've got a new GM and Mike Dunleavy Jr.

38:21

I remember years ago

38:23

when, and

38:26

this is a different case, but even

38:29

our beloved Bill, when

38:31

he got that suspension from

38:33

ESPN and everything started going the

38:35

wrong way and whatever. I

38:37

remember

38:38

talking to someone and I'm like, so you

38:41

think he's going to, everybody was speculating

38:44

his contracts up, his contracts up, what's going to happen?

38:46

Of course, to our great benefit, he started

38:49

the ringer after he

38:51

left there. Thank goodness. But

38:53

I remember asking a mutual friend of ours, he

38:55

said,

38:56

you think he'll stay? They're

38:58

like, absolutely not. Absolutely

39:02

not. There is just too much

39:04

it happened.

39:05

Too much it happened, he's going to be moving

39:07

on. I thought to myself

39:09

and again, totally different situations. But

39:12

I guarantee

39:15

you that

39:18

Draymond resents the hell out of that place.

39:20

Now, he did this to himself, no

39:23

question. He did this to himself

39:26

with the pool stuff.

39:27

But I would never get over the

39:30

fact that that tape came out.

39:32

Yeah. I wouldn't, personally.

39:35

I wouldn't. Dunleavy

39:39

in his press conference talked about Jordan Poole being

39:41

on this team for four years. Hopefully

39:44

more, he said.

39:45

Yeah. So

39:49

everyone freely admitted

39:52

that that screwed everything up, including

39:54

Draymond himself.

39:56

Draymond could not be the leader

39:58

he had always been. there because

40:01

of that happening. It

40:03

never was right. And you and I talked about

40:05

this when it first happened. Well, imagine

40:08

if you went to work every day and

40:11

you're around somebody that

40:13

everybody saw you

40:14

punch you in the face. It's

40:16

just, it's

40:19

never not going to be weird. It's

40:22

never not going to be

40:24

weird. Ever. So

40:27

you got to make a choice to

40:30

me.

40:30

Either Draymond Green is going to be on that team or

40:32

Jordan Poole is going to be on that team that whole idea

40:35

that that, yeah, they can both coexist and there'll

40:37

be some pot of go and it's never

40:39

going to be normal.

40:41

It's always going

40:44

to be hanging out there. And you know,

40:46

he feels like somebody

40:50

there hung him out to dry. Oh,

40:52

they were going to do their investigation. Like

40:54

where'd that investigation go? We ever find out how

40:56

the tape got out? I

40:59

mean, I've been in practices, bro. They

41:02

ain't open. There's only

41:04

X number of people in that thing. So

41:08

it would not be hard to figure out who

41:11

was running a camera upstairs the

41:14

day that this guy got floored.

41:17

And so I would feel like, I

41:20

don't know. I feel like my own

41:22

team wanted that out there.

41:25

Somebody wanted that out there.

41:27

Not just some rogue employee

41:30

out to get Draymond that deep

41:32

down, everybody was okay with that being out

41:35

there, whether it's to publicly

41:37

shame him, whether it was to

41:39

make it okay that they aren't signing

41:42

them up to a long-term contract, whether

41:44

it's making it okay to overpay

41:46

Jordan Poole, whatever

41:49

reason. And so, you

41:51

know, it's like, yeah, okay. They just went on

41:53

and everything was cool. Just like the build

41:56

thing. Bill came back and he was still working

41:58

at ESPN, but then.

41:59

And as soon as that contract is up, man,

42:02

no, man, I'm out of here. So

42:05

to me, Draymond's

42:07

out of there. He's out of

42:09

there. And I think that

42:12

you'll give me a great podcast

42:14

when he leaves. Well, it'll be good

42:17

for content if he leaves. Right?

42:19

It could be great content, a great part of his story,

42:21

why I left the Warriors. That

42:23

podcast would drop and everybody,

42:26

including you and I would rush to

42:29

go listen to that or we'd be waking up

42:31

in the morning, rolling over and. It'd

42:33

be the highest rated podcast ever.

42:36

Why I left the Warriors,

42:38

you know? Why I'm joining,

42:41

why I'm reuniting with Kevin Durant on

42:43

The Suns. Why I'm joining Luca, right?

42:46

Like whatever it is, why I'm joining

42:48

LeBron James of the Lakers, whatever the

42:50

storyline,

42:51

it would be a banger. And

42:54

for Draymond on his side

42:56

of things, doesn't party

42:58

you get it. Maybe

43:00

being the first, actually

43:02

the second Bob Myers was the first to

43:04

jump ship. If you're the second

43:07

behind Bob, maybe you're

43:09

one of the early ones who gets off before the

43:11

train kind of goes off the rails here with the Warriors.

43:14

Hey, man. Hey, hey, hey, I'll

43:16

take him in Memphis. Yeah.

43:18

I'm sure you would love him.

43:19

Hey, hey, next to his buddy.

43:21

Hey. Jared Jackson, Jr. is Michigan

43:24

State guy. He loves Moran and

43:26

he famously said to

43:29

Dylan Brooks,

43:30

the dynasty starts after you.

43:33

Yeah. And what if he comes

43:35

in and helps start the dynasty?

43:40

Andy jumps Jaws ass

43:42

and gets him in line. I

43:44

take it. Maybe

43:46

he'll throw some haymakers at Jaws. Seriously,

43:50

he was like 9.8

43:52

rebound, seven assists

43:54

or something on 50 something percent

43:56

from the field. I mean, every team can use that. And

43:59

I also think that Draymond

43:59

probably has always wanted

44:02

to prove that he's not

44:04

that he's not what people say

44:06

he is which is a Steph

44:08

Curry coat rider yeah I

44:10

think he would love nothing more to

44:13

go somewhere help

44:16

some team win big Golden

44:19

State go the wrong way and then

44:22

him be able to say oh

44:25

mr. coat riders gone and they can't

44:27

win the defense stinks

44:29

and now it ain't as easy when

44:31

I'm not around huh maybe

44:33

you should have respected what I brought to the

44:35

table and I I

44:37

think that's a possibility

44:39

it would be legacy defining for him to

44:41

do it away from Steph for sure yeah I

44:43

think that's part of it yeah

44:46

I mean it's gonna be fascinating I mentioned

44:48

the sons to you do you think trading

44:51

DeAndre Eaton for Draymond

44:53

Green if Draymond forced his way

44:56

to the Sun and said hey this

44:58

is where I want to go sign and trade

45:00

me here getting back for the Warriors

45:02

wouldn't be so bad you know he's 24 25 years

45:06

old it

45:07

be you know a solid

45:09

and I would get my life as

45:11

a Michigan State guy

45:13

there's nothing more that Matt Ispia would

45:16

love to have happened to acquire

45:18

Draymond Green yeah that's for sure

45:20

he is the Michigan

45:23

State guy yep to

45:25

get he's the one

45:28

you know when that job when you remember when he when he got

45:30

rid of Monty I remember

45:33

asking people like you think

45:35

you'll go get Izzo you

45:37

know all these all these college basketball coaches

45:40

especially like the old ones they are sick

45:42

this crap

45:44

with college with guys you

45:45

know that it's just a different

45:47

world they could transfer if they don't play

45:50

other people are recruiting their players

45:52

they've got to set it up it's almost like

45:55

their agents or they got to help make sure they got

45:57

the NIL thing all squared away whatever

45:59

and so you

45:59

guys leaving the J. Wright

46:02

to the world, Shushevsky, you saw

46:04

Roy Williams, see all these guys like going

46:06

off into the sunset. Beyheim just did it

46:08

last year. And I was like, you know, I'm

46:11

sure that Izzo, if he ever wanted to test

46:13

his, if

46:14

he ever wanted to test it in the

46:16

NBA,

46:17

wouldn't this be an unbelievable time? And so I just figured,

46:19

hey, I bet that guy, I

46:21

bet the Michigan State guy that now owns

46:23

the team that played for him.

46:26

And you remember, Dan Gilbert

46:28

tried to hire him in Cleveland. So

46:31

it'd be the ultimate double

46:33

bird to Dan Gilbert if he then could

46:35

go higher. Tom Izzo,

46:38

and somebody told me he does

46:40

not want to be, he doesn't want to

46:42

be hated by Michigan State. It's

46:45

very, you got to really tiptoe

46:47

around that because it's like, yeah, you're

46:49

the Michigan State guy, but you'd also be

46:51

the guy responsible for

46:54

taking Tom Izzo away from Michigan

46:56

State. And so it's a little testy

46:58

and obviously he ended up Frank Vogel, hired

47:01

a good coach for sure. Right. But

47:04

he did. He doesn't have any Michigan State yet.

47:06

And you know, he's going to try to go get it. And that

47:08

would be, that

47:10

would be the ultimate one to go get.

47:12

If you could pull it off is to

47:14

get Draymond and obviously Draymond with field

47:17

Booker and Durant is like, okay.

47:19

It's a different world now. That ain't Jock Landell.

47:22

Yeah. Yeah.

47:24

Well, I mean, to me, Draymond,

47:27

he'd be, he's the guy I want

47:29

next if I'm the sons, you know, I'm

47:32

going to Draymond. I'm,

47:34

I'm doing, if I'm Kevin Durant, I'm doing the reverse

47:36

recruitment now and saying, hey,

47:38

time to come to Phoenix and do it with a different

47:41

group of guys. Let's do it again here without

47:43

Stephen Curry. And let's,

47:45

let's win a lot here for years

47:47

to come.

47:48

That's the pitch I'm making to Draymond Green

47:50

now that they've rekindled their relationship

47:53

since he left Golden State. They did their

47:55

podcasts together, their buddies again.

47:59

It's not the crazy.

47:59

thing in the world though, because then

48:02

it gives you a big

48:03

and he then doesn't

48:06

play. Aitens was going to hate

48:08

it in Phoenix because he bitches

48:11

and quits every time he's not a major

48:13

focal point. But if

48:15

you just turned it into step pick and roll

48:17

basketball

48:19

and that becomes his pick and roll partner, then

48:21

he's

48:24

happy. You probably get the most out of him. You

48:27

need a big guy against Jokic. It's

48:29

a shame we didn't really get to see them

48:33

against Denver just to see what

48:35

it would have looked like and what they would

48:37

have done with what

48:41

would have won out. Is their small ball really

48:44

hurt Denver or would

48:46

it have just gotten absolutely mashed

48:48

because they have nothing

48:50

for Jokic. So look,

48:53

I can't stand Aitens. But again,

48:56

if you already know Draymond's leaving you,

48:59

if he's going somewhere, and

49:02

that's just the way it's going to be, you know?

49:08

You want to get something back. So if

49:10

you're going to do a sign and trade, and

49:13

then you just decide we're going to play Steph Curry

49:15

pick and roll basketball. Mm hmm. I'd

49:18

be very intrigued. I'm

49:20

very intrigued. Now that would change

49:23

everything about what you think the sun, I mean,

49:25

God bless. The suns would have a,

49:27

that guy would be spending literally a

49:30

billion dollars on the team. Not

49:36

yet. Unpayroll.

49:38

So to be clear, the harshest

49:41

tax penalties don't kick in until the

49:43

25-26 season. So Phoenix, all

49:48

these other teams that could be in the second apron, they

49:50

have this season and next

49:52

season before those crazy, crazy

49:55

harsh repeater tax penalties go in

49:57

for the 25-26 season. So there's all

49:59

doesn't happen at once. This year

50:02

is with the trade, you know, limitations, not

50:04

having the mid-level for taxpayers.

50:07

But next year is when

50:09

the frozen draft picks happen, which

50:12

triggers after multiple years. So

50:14

like this year, there's changes. It

50:16

makes it tougher.

50:18

Like you still can't sign buyout guys this

50:20

year.

50:21

But it's not

50:23

the craziest stuff. That's not until 2526. That's,

50:27

so there's really two years for the sons

50:29

to go wild and spend all they want before

50:32

it's only significant. And

50:34

that's when you, uh,

50:36

that's when you just don't go to the mailbox.

50:38

You open up that envelope

50:42

and you see that bill and you're like, Oh,

50:44

no,

50:46

what have I done? What

50:49

have I done? You

50:51

know, and the other thing on the Golden State

50:54

front, I always thought Drabaughn

50:56

was going to resent that they took care of the other

50:58

guys always in advance and

51:00

he didn't get taken care of like that. They let

51:03

his hang out there. Then

51:05

they put out, you know, then the video gets

51:07

out there. Like I've just thought that's

51:09

going to end. I thought they were going to trade him

51:11

last year. I really did.

51:13

So I actually don't

51:15

think that this is the craziest idea

51:18

ever, honestly. And then if you're going to get

51:20

something for him,

51:22

cause you want to get something for him for sure.

51:25

They'll still have to make their decisions. I mean, they're paying

51:27

a fortune for their team already. And

51:31

they got to make like even 10 zero ain't picking

51:33

up that $4.7 million option.

51:36

So, I mean, like they're going to just, it

51:38

didn't have that many guys they could trust to

51:40

play and Dante with even one of them last

51:43

year, but he's going to get paid a lot more than that. So they're

51:46

going to have to figure out what they're doing to fill

51:49

out the rest of their roster to make them

51:52

a team that can win with Steph Curry.

51:55

Cause same thing is Phoenix,

51:58

you're kind of, and, and

51:59

You may, I guess if you're going to say you may just

52:02

not want to make Phoenix that good.

52:04

Seriously. So I guess

52:06

that's a, that's a thought, but

52:10

much like Durant, you

52:11

better build out around Curry now.

52:14

This is not a infinite timeline.

52:17

And maybe in the end I'm wrong. They'll

52:19

just sign Draymond

52:22

up long-term and Draymond will be a warrior

52:24

for life. I just, I

52:27

don't know, man.

52:28

Not after what he said about pool being there.

52:31

Well, this could, this could all be just about

52:33

leverage for Draymond. All this flirting

52:35

with Dallas and all that could all be about

52:37

driving up the price of the Warriors and he ends up staying,

52:40

running it back and they keep competing for the

52:42

playoffs and they hope

52:44

for championships. Would have

52:46

done. Hey, yeah. Would

52:48

have done leave you would have said, uh,

52:51

I expect Jordan pool to be here four more years

52:53

and even longer.

52:55

I know. Uh, and the reason I think

52:58

that is because nobody wants his ass. I

53:00

can't be seen that contract. Of

53:03

course he's going to be here. What I can't

53:06

move him. Look

53:07

at what, look at that contract. He signed

53:09

him too. Yeah. I got $120 million.

53:13

It's unfortunately a fair statement.

53:16

Mike done leave. He walked

53:18

into it. Didn't he? It's like, Hey,

53:21

Mike, uh, now

53:23

we're at the crescendo of this whole,

53:25

uh, long run of success,

53:28

winning a title just a year ago. And

53:31

now, uh, Draymond's a

53:33

free agent. You got a $120 million

53:35

full party. And,

53:39

uh, which of these, which of these

53:41

young guys do you believe in? Moody, comminga,

53:45

the rest of them

53:46

better make your decision on those guys too.

53:48

It's like, man, oh man, not

53:50

an easy job. No, it's not an easy job.

53:53

He's walking into. Yeah. A lot

53:55

of pressure. Yeah. This

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is going to be fun to watch the draft coming up this

54:37

week and trade

54:40

possibilities abound. I

54:42

was reading both

54:45

your mock draft and other draft coverage

54:48

on the plane ride home today. And

54:51

a lot of interesting stuff

54:53

about how you and I,

54:55

and we've been talking since the lottery, got

55:00

decided that once

55:02

you get past one, anything is possible.

55:05

But you see so many of those teams also

55:08

that are in this rebuild

55:10

mode and where

55:14

they could be.

55:17

They could be they've got enough young players

55:19

on their team now so they don't

55:21

necessarily, they're not necessarily married

55:23

to the pick and they may

55:25

be able to use that pick to

55:28

teams like the Phoenix's

55:31

of the world, like teams that are or the Golden

55:33

State's or whoever. Somebody

55:35

out there to get

55:37

a player because

55:39

maybe just having a young player on their

55:41

roster that's got some promise is

55:44

more valuable to them or maybe

55:47

even a veteran is

55:49

more valuable to them than maybe adding

55:52

another young player to

55:54

their roster

55:55

right now. And so it

55:57

seems like everybody from two

55:59

to. 10, certainly 10

56:02

is going to move their pick in Dallas, but

56:04

from two to 10, they could all, you

56:07

could talk yourself into a way that they

56:09

would be willing to move their pick. And

56:12

two becomes the most fascinating.

56:15

And that's because we

56:18

know that there is at least one

56:20

team, the Covet Scoot-Enderson, might

56:23

be even more.

56:25

And I was reading your column just to prove

56:28

I read it.

56:29

You've done an about face

56:31

on the Zion stuff.

56:35

You would trade Zion. I

56:37

would trade Zion. Yes. Wow.

56:41

I would trade Zion. You're done with

56:43

it. You're like Mariah Mills. Can't

56:45

take it anymore. Yeah, I'm releasing

56:48

the tapes. I hope there's not a tape of

56:50

you there. But

56:54

you've had enough just like she

56:56

has. Is that blackmail? What she posted

56:58

about? Of course it's blackmail. Of course. Yeah.

57:01

Come on. It

57:03

doesn't seem like she doesn't

57:05

play by the rules. No, she doesn't. She

57:08

does not play by the rules, brother. No.

57:12

No, that's for sure. Anyway, Mariah

57:14

Mills aside. Yeah,

57:15

Mariah Mills aside. You're also done

57:17

with Zion. I'm

57:20

not done with Zion. I'd be trading

57:22

him for the number two or the number three pick

57:24

in a draft with some really high level prospects.

57:27

So being done with him is relative

57:30

to the value you'd be getting in return

57:33

for him, which is significant. What

57:35

value?

57:37

What value? Yeah. What

57:39

would your value have to be is what I'm saying. I mean,

57:42

if you're getting Scoot Henderson, that's

57:44

really good value for a guy

57:46

that has played 114 games, an average of 28.5 over four

57:48

years has suffered injuries that you have

57:53

concerns about with his work ethic and

57:55

his focus on the game and

57:57

his relationship with teammates and his leadership

57:59

and his. and focus on defense

58:02

and a lot of things. It's a long list of concerns that you have after

58:06

four years with him as the Pelicans. So

58:08

I think for them getting the number two pick or

58:10

the number three pick in the draft is a significant

58:13

return. That's a lot to get.

58:15

And depending on what other pieces are involved, either you're

58:17

sending out or they're sending out or both

58:20

sides are, I think you could

58:22

kind of reshuffle the deck and get

58:24

a young asset, a young player

58:26

on a rookie contract, which is valuable to

58:28

a franchise as we've talked about, and

58:31

recalibrate with what you're going with all your other

58:33

existing young talent. I'm not saying dump them for nothing.

58:36

I'm just saying you're getting the significant

58:38

value in return. And this could be the last

58:41

year, anything remotely close to that

58:43

is returnable for Zion.

58:45

The only way I would listen to it is if, obviously,

58:48

and look, I could be persuaded by somebody

58:50

in New Orleans for sure. It just tells me,

58:52

look, bro, it is never gonna happen

58:55

here.

58:56

Too much has happened.

58:58

Too much has happened. And he's held this franchise

59:01

hostage.

59:02

And maybe

59:04

I'll

59:05

just have to live with it

59:07

if he goes and becomes a top 10 player in

59:09

the league and one of the all-time best players.

59:11

And he gets his, he

59:13

grows older, he gets in shape,

59:16

he does the rehab, somebody could

59:18

get him in line

59:20

and

59:21

he's in a healthier state of mind and he cares

59:24

enough

59:25

that he becomes a true

59:27

pro. But because

59:30

of everything that's going on here, we're never getting

59:32

that out of him. Babyed

59:35

him too much at the beginning. And

59:38

now this is what we have thought.

59:41

And so we'd rather just move

59:43

on, rather just move on. I

59:46

get it, I get it. I'd be,

59:48

as I told you, I'd be terrified. Oh,

59:51

me too. I'd be scared to move

59:53

him. That he was like,

59:56

guys, like the guy just comes

59:58

back next year and he's like.

59:59

Oh, really? And maybe

1:00:02

that's the wake up call he would need. And

1:00:04

then he

1:00:05

gets into shape and we know he's about

1:00:08

to have a kid. Maybe that

1:00:09

gets him to be more responsible guy too.

1:00:12

You know, settles him down

1:00:14

a little bit. You never know. Jeez.

1:00:19

I just, it's a scary one. You

1:00:21

would not trade Ingram for the second pick though,

1:00:23

eh? I trade both of them. I get

1:00:25

two and three. Oh,

1:00:28

wow. So you would, you would move Ingram.

1:00:30

If Charlotte says we don't want Zion, like 114

1:00:33

games. And we're in Charlotte.

1:00:34

We don't have the structure

1:00:37

to make sure he becomes. Let

1:00:44

me make this clear, Chris.

1:00:47

If I trade Ingram to Charlotte for number two,

1:00:49

I would also want to trade Zion to Portland

1:00:52

for number three. I don't like the Scoot Henderson,

1:00:54

Zion Williamson combination.

1:00:57

I don't love that combination to build

1:00:59

with moving forward. I don't think there's enough reliable

1:01:01

shooting.

1:01:02

It's a big bet on Scoot Henderson

1:01:04

to become a knockdown guy. Granted Fred

1:01:06

Vincent is the perfect shooting coach to pair with

1:01:08

him.

1:01:10

Yeah. I wouldn't love that combination.

1:01:13

So I'd want to deal both if I'm also giving

1:01:15

Ingram, you know what I'm saying there? Like that I'm

1:01:17

talking mega trades, talking about blowing it

1:01:19

up. Right. That's what

1:01:22

I'd want to do. Hey, look, you moved into Portland.

1:01:24

Obviously they've had,

1:01:25

they've gone to hell and back with injured players over

1:01:27

there. You know, years

1:01:30

as a franchise going all the way back to Bill

1:01:32

Walton. That being said, Nike's

1:01:36

right there. They, they could stay

1:01:38

on his ass. Yeah. That helped. I

1:01:40

think that is where he went. Remember when he went

1:01:42

to Portland, that like whole season, it's

1:01:45

like he wasn't even rehabbing like where

1:01:48

the team was like they just,

1:01:50

you know, they treated him with kit gloves

1:01:53

and different than everybody else from the

1:01:55

very beginning. And so I get it.

1:01:57

I get it. Right. It's just. They

1:02:00

can't, he's, he's

1:02:02

broken trust

1:02:04

and they don't think that he's ever gonna

1:02:07

be the guy that

1:02:09

they wanted him to be being there

1:02:11

and so torn man.

1:02:15

I'm torn, you know, I love you too,

1:02:17

but geez, it's tough

1:02:19

man. Anytime you're trying to move somebody that

1:02:21

could be one of the best 10 players in the league,

1:02:25

there's, there's not many of those guys. You

1:02:27

could say that. Which Zion can. I'm not sure

1:02:29

about. Of course he can. Yeah. Of course

1:02:31

he can. You know, it

1:02:34

seems as if though, even

1:02:37

by number two, we

1:02:39

could have like big drama. Big

1:02:42

drama. And I was even reading some

1:02:44

fun ones. Like, you know, on the Gavoni stuff,

1:02:46

I was reading there, I keep throughout one that

1:02:49

was fun. It was like, uh,

1:02:51

it got down to where they were. Uh, it was like,

1:02:54

I think it was the 10th pick

1:02:56

and he was like, and there's a, you know, options

1:02:59

here. Like maybe a Detroit

1:03:01

Bogdanovich and 31 for hardaway

1:03:04

and 10. And I'm like, that is incredibly

1:03:07

specific.

1:03:13

Bogdanovich and 31 for hardaway

1:03:15

and 10. And I was like, no,

1:03:17

it's actually a really awesome trade.

1:03:20

I think for both.

1:03:22

If you, if you love somebody at 10, cause you know,

1:03:25

obviously Detroit's on a timeline

1:03:27

where they're a little ways away from winning and gets

1:03:29

back down a bitch, uh, next to Luca,

1:03:32

nice little tough, hard

1:03:34

nose, small forward that can space

1:03:37

the floor alongside

1:03:40

just banging corner threes,

1:03:43

Lucas, Luca and Kyrie theoretically

1:03:45

running all them pick and rolls and somebody to throw

1:03:48

it to the corner that can knock down threes.

1:03:50

I kind of liked that trade that was just thrown

1:03:53

out there, but that's the kind of fun stuff that

1:03:55

could take place. Right.

1:03:56

The draft is going to be active for us.

1:03:58

That's for sure. It's going to be active

1:04:01

and like the order what it is now.

1:04:04

I think it's presently impossible

1:04:07

to do a mock draft. I

1:04:09

know. I feel like you've gotten higher

1:04:12

on the Thompsons reading your stuff. Yeah.

1:04:15

I mean, I like, I think, I think Amen

1:04:18

and Osar, the both of them, they're

1:04:21

high floor players in the sense that

1:04:24

they're going to, they're six, seven, they're going

1:04:26

to be able to provide you versatile defense

1:04:28

for years. They're selfless

1:04:30

players. They're smart. They're

1:04:32

hardworking. They're good passers.

1:04:35

They're dynamic at-rim

1:04:37

finishers. They have all these skills

1:04:40

that are going to allow them to thrive

1:04:42

in the NBA for an 82 game regular season

1:04:45

for years. The question is going to

1:04:47

be how important are they going

1:04:49

to be in a playoff setting?

1:04:50

A lot of that's going to come down to the development

1:04:53

of their jumper, their role, their supporting

1:04:55

cast. If they're drafted to a good

1:04:57

situation and maybe this turns into a nature

1:05:00

versus nurture thing with that, Amen

1:05:02

and Osar are as similar as they are. Maybe one

1:05:04

of them goes to a good situation. One

1:05:05

of them goes to a bad situation, but I just think

1:05:08

both of them have a strong foundation for

1:05:11

a long fruitful career

1:05:13

and the athletic upside,

1:05:16

the hardworking, the intelligence, the

1:05:18

openness to change or changing their shooting

1:05:21

mechanics and all that, that if they can figure

1:05:23

out the jumper, those kids both have superstar

1:05:25

potential. I get them. I have

1:05:27

Osar barely ahead of Amen on my

1:05:30

board. I'm not sure. With

1:05:33

those two, a lot of it, I would flip Amen

1:05:35

ahead of Osar depending on the fit.

1:05:37

If Amen's in a better situation,

1:05:39

I would wish I had him ahead, but

1:05:42

we don't know what that's going to look like. Entering

1:05:44

the draft, I'll give Osar a slight

1:05:46

edge because he's shown more as a shooter and

1:05:49

he's been a better defender for the last two, three

1:05:51

years.

1:05:52

You cannot tell them apart

1:05:55

when you're watching them though. You really

1:05:57

got to look the number of the jerseys. I

1:05:59

saw it. them in person

1:06:02

do a workout as we talked about before.

1:06:05

That's right. Right before they went to Overtime

1:06:07

Elite and like

1:06:10

the entire time I was asking which one is

1:06:12

that. I mean, they

1:06:14

have the same haircut. Yeah,

1:06:16

stuff. Like they are

1:06:19

so identical.

1:06:22

So identical.

1:06:24

And I've got these, I've got some

1:06:26

videos on my phone that I took that

1:06:28

day. And I'm like just them screwing

1:06:31

around like I'm talking

1:06:33

like Tomahawks off

1:06:36

of Vert just

1:06:38

under the basket leap up. Like

1:06:42

you just don't I've been in a million NBA

1:06:44

gyms. You just don't see it. They

1:06:47

are free go athletes.

1:06:50

Yeah they are. So

1:06:52

fast off the deck. So

1:06:55

fast. And when I saw this, I

1:06:57

remember Mike Miller was at the thing and

1:06:59

I looked over at Mike Miller after one

1:07:01

of them kids just

1:07:03

I mean the ball is like bouncing underneath the

1:07:05

goal and the kid just I

1:07:07

think it was Amen. He just

1:07:09

picks it up and just jumped straight

1:07:12

up cocks it back and slams it down

1:07:14

and the thing like yeah, you know spikes down

1:07:16

like a volleyball or something. And I

1:07:18

look over at him and I'm like Jesus like

1:07:21

what like

1:07:22

they don't make them like this. Well, I mean

1:07:25

it's not it's not just open open court

1:07:27

either like Amen has this that he

1:07:29

that he had in the finals against

1:07:32

the dreamers. It was in the third game. So

1:07:34

this was the clinching game. I think it was like second

1:07:36

second quarter. I was watching it earlier today if somebody

1:07:38

wants to pull it up. But like

1:07:41

he he drove from like the left side

1:07:43

of the the wing into the middle

1:07:45

of the paint and then he spun from

1:07:47

his right back to his left and

1:07:50

just like immediately from

1:07:52

the spin move

1:07:53

leaps into the air and yams

1:07:56

on the defender who was on him. It was like

1:07:58

just unbelievable.

1:07:59

Let us know why he doesn't need any

1:08:02

space to launch and get to the basket. He

1:08:04

is genuinely like an elite,

1:08:07

the elite of the elite athletes. Like

1:08:09

they are so special. I'm ends the better

1:08:12

athlete than our, our, our is the

1:08:14

better shooter. Um, but like,

1:08:16

I mean, those both of them are, are

1:08:18

fast. Which to the bone. Yes.

1:08:21

Just all.

1:08:24

Uh, so quick. And yeah, they've got a,

1:08:27

they've got a chance to be super,

1:08:29

super special. You know, um, and

1:08:32

there's some guys I like, there's some guys I like

1:08:34

in this track for sure. Yeah. Are

1:08:36

you going to do like your no fail? Is that

1:08:38

going to happen this year? I'm not doing, I'm not doing

1:08:40

the no fail. Oh, you're golfing. You're

1:08:43

golf. No, I will tell you that. Hey, look,

1:08:45

well we talked about him on a pod, whatever.

1:08:48

I'm, uh,

1:08:49

I, you know, I love Anthony black.

1:08:51

I love him. Yeah. Why don't we do it on the pod

1:08:54

next week? We don't have to do Chris Vernon written

1:08:56

content. Why don't we do Chris Vernon's no

1:08:58

fail list on like this. I mean,

1:09:01

yeah, I guess we're not, I

1:09:04

guess this is the last one. What if we do

1:09:06

it? What if we do it? Hosts

1:09:08

draft Chris Vernon's no

1:09:10

fail list. These are the best fits. The

1:09:13

best prospects that I like. Oh, that's

1:09:15

even better. Cause then it's based on

1:09:17

their placement. Yeah. Placement

1:09:20

and the player, like how you feel about them. So

1:09:23

I would tell you, look, look. I would tell you, and

1:09:25

I'll scroll through this really quick off,

1:09:28

off the top of my head, scoot Anderson,

1:09:31

a hundred percent to me. Um,

1:09:34

a hundred percent of what I just want to make sure I'm

1:09:36

under can't fail. Can't fail. Okay.

1:09:38

So like he's going to be a good player or a hundred

1:09:40

percent of great player. No, no, these

1:09:43

are the whole concept of that was there's

1:09:45

people, there's teams that we

1:09:47

look back every year and there's busts

1:09:50

and so he's not in the top, even in

1:09:52

the top five, even in the top

1:09:54

five, you're like, that guy is not

1:09:57

having a good entity. Black

1:09:58

will not fail. No way.

1:10:02

The guy you wrote about today on Twitter,

1:10:05

Keontae George. Oh, yeah. Keontae

1:10:08

George. Keontae George is not going to fail. Okay.

1:10:11

He's not going to fail. Grady

1:10:14

Dick won't fail either. No

1:10:16

way. Again, just too good of

1:10:18

a shooter. I'd bet

1:10:20

on Jed Howard. Not

1:10:24

failing. He's like too big,

1:10:27

too skilled as a scorer, right?

1:10:29

Yeah, I just don't think he'll fail.

1:10:30

Yeah. I'm

1:10:35

not going through every single... I'm all the

1:10:37

way down almost to the first round. Yeah.

1:10:40

Okay. There's the ones

1:10:42

on the first round. Cool. Yeah.

1:10:45

There you go. There's some that I really liked. And

1:10:48

then I'm trying to scroll here in the second

1:10:50

round to see if there's anybody that's the... You

1:10:53

know, I famously

1:10:54

went crazy when people weren't drafting Jaylen

1:10:57

Brunson on our pod years ago, and that

1:10:59

started out great. I

1:11:02

never expected Jaylen Brunson to be that amazing.

1:11:05

But I'm wondering if there's any

1:11:07

of those guys it doesn't really

1:11:09

look like. Like the famous,

1:11:12

you

1:11:13

know, conference player of

1:11:15

the year type guy

1:11:17

in a big conference that everybody

1:11:19

admits is very good and yet is

1:11:23

ranked entirely too low. Is

1:11:25

there one that I'm missing here?

1:11:29

Is there anybody I'm missing that's

1:11:31

like that that would fall into

1:11:33

that

1:11:34

Jay Crowder, Jaymond Breen,

1:11:37

Jaylen Brunson, Chandler

1:11:39

Parsons? Who?

1:11:41

Colby Jones? I think you'd like him.

1:11:44

Missouri? Yeah. Colby

1:11:46

Jones is Xavier. Oh, Xavier. Xavier.

1:11:49

Yeah. I think you'd like him.

1:11:51

Keontae Johnson is the kid that had the heart thing,

1:11:53

right? Yep. He's

1:11:56

always been good. I

1:12:00

like there's not really that guy

1:12:02

right and maybe sasser

1:12:05

but geez I don't know I

1:12:07

Don't think that there's there's not the obvious

1:12:10

one

1:12:10

anymore of the

1:12:13

guys that will be the You

1:12:16

know we went through that for a long

1:12:18

time It's like yeah,

1:12:20

of course. He's good. He was SEC player

1:12:22

of the year. Yeah, surprise surprise Jay Crowder's

1:12:24

got a long career He's big East player of the year.

1:12:26

Oh

1:12:27

Draymond greens good. He's big 10 player

1:12:29

of the year. Oh, Jaylen Brunson's

1:12:31

good. He's national player of the year It's like

1:12:34

the obvious

1:12:36

Guy, maybe this uh, what about the

1:12:38

UCLA one the Jack was?

1:12:40

Oh, he's a senior. How they hakas

1:12:43

hakas. He's a senior. Yeah, I like

1:12:45

him a bunch He can be a top 20 pick

1:12:47

so he was a senior right? Maybe that fits

1:12:50

the yep Does he fit the mold of what I'm

1:12:52

talking about? I think so. I

1:12:54

like him a lot Was he back to

1:12:56

a player of the year? Who went

1:12:58

back to a player of the year? Hell

1:13:00

if I know I Don't

1:13:03

know we don't even get the Pac-12 network. Yeah.

1:13:06

Yeah, he was he did win it. Yeah, that's right. There

1:13:08

you go Benedict Mather

1:13:11

in the year before this is the

1:13:16

Listen to these guys. How may hakas

1:13:18

yeah Benedict Matherin Evan

1:13:20

Mobley Peyton Pritchard Jaylen

1:13:23

Noel DeAndre Aiten and

1:13:25

your guy Dylan Brooks

1:13:28

and 2016-17 got a career

1:13:32

He's got a career. Yeah. Hey

1:13:34

that was

1:13:35

but as much as I couldn't stand him and

1:13:38

Now the Rockets

1:13:40

fans I suppose are gonna get to root for him Is

1:13:45

that an amazing traffic for where he was drafted?

1:13:47

Yeah, I mean the guy was drafted in the

1:13:49

40s There's another one

1:13:52

back to a player of the year. So there you go

1:13:54

Remember we're talking about this. How

1:13:56

me hakas who I call it. Jock was at the

1:13:59

beginning. How me? There

1:14:01

you go. I mean, it is a J and we're American

1:14:03

white dudes, you know, so That's

1:14:08

the one

1:14:09

That's the one it happens every

1:14:12

year Kevin. You've got him in what?

1:14:15

You've got him at 30th

1:14:18

I have on the mark. No something like that or 30 32 of my

1:14:20

board He's gonna

1:14:22

be top 20 on my updated mock draft

1:14:24

on Tuesday morning on the ring

1:14:26

Mock draft he's 35th. He

1:14:29

will be top 20 on my update on Tuesday

1:14:31

You're moving him top 20 because of this

1:14:33

conversation. No, no, but

1:14:35

the Bach draft is based off Intel And

1:14:39

I've either is like rumblings about

1:14:41

him in the late teens early twice So

1:14:44

I'm moving him for the for this next

1:14:46

mock to the late teens based off that

1:14:49

Intel on recent days

1:14:50

PS another one that

1:14:53

fits this mode That

1:14:54

we saw last year who was drafted much

1:14:56

higher than anyone had him

1:14:58

our guy in Memphis David Roddy

1:15:00

who came to our live show Yeah, that's true.

1:15:02

This shot. I'm gonna be a player

1:15:05

But he was you

1:15:07

know conference player of the year about what's conference

1:15:09

player of the year but Kind

1:15:11

of you know the

1:15:14

Aegis thing gets you

1:15:16

But there's one there's a homie haka is at

1:15:18

least that's a it's

1:15:19

a guy that's a little bit lower on the mocks

1:15:22

That kind of fits that bill. We've been

1:15:24

talking about that for seven years

1:15:26

Kevin. There's always

1:15:29

Yeah, Oh surprise surprise. This guy's good

1:15:31

in the pros

1:15:32

Every time he played in college. He

1:15:34

was good but And

1:15:37

he's good. There's some guys that obviously

1:15:39

cannot you know, they could be good

1:15:41

college players and then crap pros that for sure

1:15:44

happens There's

1:15:46

also a lot of cases where if

1:15:49

a guy proved to be the best player in a conference

1:15:51

that had a lot of good players In it pretty

1:15:54

good chance that he's a good basketball player. Yeah.

1:15:57

Yep, you know So there

1:15:59

you go I did that right off the top of my head.

1:16:02

I don't even have to write it, which I almost

1:16:04

would just because I read on Twitter

1:16:06

last week that

1:16:07

the guy that used to edit all those

1:16:10

and made me sound like I wasn't an idiot

1:16:12

was Danny Chow.

1:16:15

And I saw he's back. Yep. He's

1:16:17

coming on the ringers NBA draft show

1:16:19

this week on Tuesday. He's

1:16:22

coming on

1:16:23

excited to have Danny Chow on the talk draft

1:16:25

and Alicia's takes. I look forward to

1:16:27

hearing about the players he likes and dislikes

1:16:29

and it'll be a lot of fun. I'm

1:16:31

excited to have Danny on and talk to him. I haven't talked to him for years

1:16:34

on a podcast. So it'll be great.

1:16:36

Jeff, if I could find it, I would

1:16:38

love, you know what?

1:16:40

Maybe I'll look forward to some point. I don't know where that file

1:16:42

is. Cause I don't,

1:16:44

you know, I couldn't care

1:16:47

less if people like goof on me. If

1:16:50

I could find it, I

1:16:52

would love to put out what

1:16:55

I sent him and then

1:16:57

what was printed on the ringer and

1:17:00

people would realize this guy is like

1:17:02

a modern

1:17:05

day throw. He's a great

1:17:07

writer. Unbelievable.

1:17:12

Like truly. Yeah. I

1:17:14

sent him versus what got

1:17:18

printed. I'm

1:17:20

not a writer, so I don't care if everybody,

1:17:23

Danny, Danny Chow is a

1:17:25

wordsmith. He made

1:17:28

my thoughts

1:17:31

like everything I was trying

1:17:34

to say, he

1:17:35

said it like it should

1:17:37

be said if you

1:17:39

didn't write at a sixth grade level.

1:17:43

Yeah, he

1:17:45

does. He has a tendency

1:17:49

to do that. He's

1:17:52

very good. So I'm forever indebted

1:17:54

to Danny and I'm glad he's back at the ringer.

1:17:56

Me too. That's great to have Danny back. Oh,

1:17:58

I can't wait for the draft. We are going to record on Friday

1:18:01

after the draft has wrapped up and so we

1:18:03

will react and we'll find out where all

1:18:05

these kids end up and some

1:18:07

of them are going to go to great

1:18:09

situations for their careers and some

1:18:11

of them are going to go to

1:18:14

less than great situations for their

1:18:16

careers and then we can kind of evaluate

1:18:19

that as well. Kevin,

1:18:21

it's always a pleasure. It is draft week.

1:18:24

Fun, fun week to say the least. Thank you to our executive

1:18:26

producer Jesse Lopez as always and I will

1:18:28

talk to you on Friday. Have

1:18:31

a great week everybody.