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Welcome to Fly Over Conservative Podcast

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with David and Stacey Whited, where we break

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down current events and examine culture through

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the lens of conservative Christian values.

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Today's guest

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is the founder and president of Ask

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Dr. Brown Ministries and Fire

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School of Ministry. That sounds amazing.

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He's the host of a daily talk radio show

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called The Line of Fire and is

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the author of 40,

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I said 40, 40 books. Unbelievable.

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A new book called Why So Many Christians

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Have Left the Faith. Welcome to the show,

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Dr. Michael Brown.

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Thank you. Great to be with you.

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Oh, and it's an honor. We're, you know, reading

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your bio and familiar with your work.

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I was like,

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I bet most people have never read 40 books. I

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know, 40 books. After school. And

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he's written 40, 40 books. I

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love the opportunity to do this show and

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really selfishly, one of our objectives

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was we're curious and we love having

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conversations with people that have

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worked through in private

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some of the toughest topics of our time. And

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they've really pondered this and looked at it. And

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then they bring those things in the public and they've

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thought through them deeply. And we

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are in confusing times where people are, you

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know, kind of grappling with

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things that they know that maybe aren't

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true or were true. And they're kind of, you know,

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working through some of these tough topics. And

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you've done that in private and you bring them to

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the public in your books, in

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your radio podcast, you answer some of the

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toughest questions that people are struggling

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with today. You're an incredible gift.

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Well,

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this is the world we live in, you know, and the

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gospel is absolutely relevant. And

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it's not a matter of us being political

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as much as just being practical.

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Our kids, our grandkids

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grow up in a world where they're getting lots of mixed

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signals. And every return, we

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have to make decisions.

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come to convictions, the question is, does the Word

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of God give us wisdom?

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Does our relationship with God enable us to

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walk through this world in a practical

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way? And of course, the answer is yes, it

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does. So we need to lean

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into this

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and through the Word of God and through our relationship

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with the Lord, say, Lord, give us wisdom and show

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us how to shine as lights in the midst

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of a dark and lost world.

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And I think that is so important. You know, as people

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are looking around today, there is

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a lot of hopelessness. I know a lot of

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people feel hopelessness. And one of the things I

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saw on your site, AskDrBrown.org,

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is you talk about hope. Is

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there a reason for hope today?

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Yeah, I mean, I

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live 24-7 in a state of encouragement

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and hope and optimism and

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expectation. And it's not empty.

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In other words, I think I'm wired by

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God to be optimistic and positive.

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But that can just be an illusion.

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That could just be the way I feel. My

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ultimate hope, my ultimate confidence

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is grounded in the fact that Jesus rose from the

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dead.

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That's all I need to know. If I'm

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in right relationship with God through Jesus,

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that is the key thing I need to know. That

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means that death has been conquered. That means

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that light will shine out of darkness. That

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means that the most horrific, terrible

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things that happen in this world can be turned

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by God for good. The stumbling

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blocks can become stepping stones and the obstacles

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can become opportunities. And

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I'm absolutely convinced that God

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is at work in the world and

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that the end of this age will not be the defeat

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of God and the hopelessness of God and the

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despair of God. And even though God

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certainly feels our pain and

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is sensitive to our suffering, the

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reality is He's not in despair. He's

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not discouraged. In His presence is

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fullness of joy. The joy of the

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Lord is our strength. And

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in that is a confidence. We have answers.

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Whatever the problem, whatever the situation,

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even death, bereavement, agony.

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And in the end, we have

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a hope through the gospel. And

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I've often said, the best is yet

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to come. And a friend said to me, come on,

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you're wearing that out. You say it all the time. I

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said, well, unless you're going to hell, it's true. The

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best is yet to come. Man, that's

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a good point.

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This fuels the fire of my own

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life to then live it out day

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by day in this world in a practical

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hands-on way.

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Man, I love that. And it's

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important. Because if everybody

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waits for the storm outside

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of the boat to calm down until

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you have peace,

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it may never happen. The

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world can be chaotic

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or

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going crazy. But we don't

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have to. It's got to start from the inside

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out. Everything about our faith begins,

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in my heart working outwardly.

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But at first, that heart transformation, creating

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fruit on the outside. And with the world being

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crazy, I think a lot of people let that determine

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their inner world

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of what's happening. Like, well,

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if this happens in the next election or it's tied

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to the economy getting fixed, or if

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those things then I'll

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have peace. And our peace does not

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have to be contingent upon the world around

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us. Great point. Yeah, our joy

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is not based on circumstances. Our peace

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is not based on circumstances. Those things are

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based on our relationship with God

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and His truth. And again, it's

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not sticking our head in the sand.

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It's saying that we are taking hold of the higher

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reality. You know, it's just

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like if someone that you knew to be very

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faithful, a wealthy supporter

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of your ministry, said, hey, I just

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wired funds into your account. You'll have it

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there in a few minutes. The fact that your account

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has no money in it right now and you can't pay

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your bills is no concern because

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you know that any minute those

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funds are there. So it's not denial.

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It's just taking hold of the highest reality

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and the highest authority. And that's

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what we do with the Lord.

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You're famous for answering tough questions.

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I got one I kind of want to throw at you. You know, we

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started this podcast two years ago, and you sort of begin

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this thing of like, well, this is the bad guy, and this is

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a good guy. And this is, you know, and then you're like,

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oh, man, but this guy's in charge

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of that bad guy. And you kind of create

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an organizational chart, you know, in your head.

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And you kind

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of keep tracing that. And eventually, it just kind of comes

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down to good and evil. You know, not

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necessarily the faces or the

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persona. And it's not even so much even Democrat,

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Republican, left, right.

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It's kind of more up and down. It's like, you know,

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are you like for life, or are you for death?

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You know, are you like for good or for evil? And

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the language that comes at

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people and attacks, I

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think, confuses them. There's a term

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that has come along recently. There was an article

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in Rolling Stones recently after we did an event with

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pastors for Trump. We spoke at

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kind of a hit piece. But they labeled

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us as

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Christian nationalists. And they meant

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it to be a really, really painful

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dig. And, you know, I was like,

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well, we're not globalist atheists.

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So I mean, that kind of makes sense. What

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do you think of that term that we see kind of rising up to

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want to kind of

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put people into a corner, and

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the positioning of where that fits on that grid?

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So the first thing to ask someone that uses

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it is, what do you mean by the term?

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Because it can have different meanings to different people.

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For some, a Christian nationalist means I'm

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a Christian and I love my country. That's

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good. That's fine. I love Jesus and

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I love my country. Great. Good for you. For

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others, it means that you

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are conflating the kingdom

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of God with the nation, that you are wrapping

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the gospel and the American flag,

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that you are equating USA, USA with

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the Great Commission.

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Whereas America is a fallen nation, like

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every other nation, we have a lot of good, we

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have a lot of bad. I'm

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more focused.

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focused on bad because

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of the calling in need, the callers to repent

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and turn to the Lord. There's certainly a lot of good,

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but we're a fallen nation in the midst of

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which, like in the midst of China or ancient

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Rome or all the nations of the world, in the midst

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of which is a church, is a people of

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God, the Ekklesia, and we are

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seeking to live out kingdom principles and make a

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difference for God here in America.

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So we want what's best for

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America,

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but we understand that America could come and go in

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the kingdom of God advances, that

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we are patriotic in that we serve

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our country, but

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we also recognize that America has

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done a lot of bad around the world. We've exported

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pornography around the world in massive

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levels. We've exported aspects

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of narcissism and other things that

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are destructive. We are pushing gay activism,

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OG BTQ plus activism around

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the world

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and pressuring governments and things. So

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America is a lost nation like

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other nations, leading the

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gospel, even though we have some great Christian foundations mixed

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in along the way. So we

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just understand that. So when we look

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at Donald Trump, many

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of us felt he was a better candidate than Hillary Clinton

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and Joe Biden on issues that were critically

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important to us, but he's not the savior. He's

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another man with another party, which

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itself is mixed with good

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and with bad. So we don't mix

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the two. When people say only Trump

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can save America, that's bad talk.

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You don't put any politician's

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name there. There's only one name that belongs there. That's

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the name of Jesus. When we equate

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the Republican party as God's

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party, the Democrat party is God's

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party. We're making a mistake

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there

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by mingling these things together.

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And when you'll have say Christian

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flag and American flag at

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a rally side by side as if they

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are somehow equal,

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that's when we make the mistake. So

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I personally don't like the term Christian nationalist.

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I think it's a good term to use.

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I know some of my friends use it in a very positive

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way, but to me, it's more associated

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with this idea

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that America has a particularly divine destiny

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and that the American destiny is equal

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to the kingdom of God.

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And that's a wrong way

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of looking at things. I find it very unhealthy. In my book,

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the political seduction of the church

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really lays this out. So we, above

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all citizens, should be making a positive

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impact on the country because we know

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the Lord and we know His ways. And

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we should be the foremost ones praying

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for the good of our country,

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but also knowing that America is of

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the world. And there's always going to be a conflict

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between the kingdom of God and the kingdom

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of this world. I remember the initial sanctions

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we put on Russia. We looked at that list and it's like it's

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like they're sanctions like they cut out McDonald's.

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It was like Netflix. It was Pornhub. It was these

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things. I'm like,

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I think they did a great thing for Russia. I'm like,

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can they put those sanctions on us? Yeah, you

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know, as well, like a lot of our our import

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is pretty much debt and sin, you know, that

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we're exporting to the world.

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So, you know, our slogan here at Fly Over Conservatives

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is wake up, speak up and show up. So in

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what you just said, as Christians, what are ways

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that we can speak up and show up during this time?

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Right. So we speak up always

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first and foremost by by bringing the gospel

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message to all we can, recognizing our greatest

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weapons, our prayer, evangelism, discipleship.

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But then we speak up for what's right.

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Parents are realizing that now when they found

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out what's been taught in their schools for a couple of decades,

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they found out during the corona times like,

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whoa, we didn't know this was going on.

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So you get to the school boards and if the school

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boards are corrupt and have a very

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anti-child agenda, then you run

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for school board yourself. You say, OK,

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let's make a difference here.

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You speak up on social media where

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you see misunderstanding, where you see the Lord's

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name being blasphemed, you see wrong

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principles being put forward. Hey, you have every right

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to share your wrong views. We have every right

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to share our right views. If

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if if more and more believers

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would simply live out their convictions, you

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can.

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cancel us because there'd

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be way too many. For example, with

12:04

the Los Angeles Dodgers, we're going to celebrate

12:06

the Sisters of Perpetual Indulgence,

12:08

this anti-Christian drag queen hate group.

12:11

They were going to celebrate them. Catholics

12:14

spoke up against it. They said, okay, we won't. Gay

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activists said, well, then we're going to boycott your

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Pride event. So they apologized to the sisters.

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They did the event. Doug Kershaw,

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a few other well-known athletes,

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baseball players spoke out. Well,

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what if all the baseball

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players that had an issue with this and all the managers

12:32

that had an issue with this, what if they all

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spoke out? The thing would go away

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overnight

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and you wouldn't have to be so bold to take

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a stand. So it's

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not a matter of us intimidating people.

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It's just a matter of us saying, hey, we're here.

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We hold to these values. We believe these

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are best for society. We're not imposing

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these on anybody, but this is how we live

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our lives and we're going to stand for what we believe

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is right, just like every other group does.

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If we would do these very things, America

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would look very different in a matter of days.

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That is huge. Something we always say here

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at Flyover Conservatives is we all wanted President

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Trump to do 80 million things to save our country. What

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we really need is 80 million of us doing one thing

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every single day to save our own country.

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And like you said before, President

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Trump, he was our president, but Jesus

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is our savior. We can never look to man

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as our savior for sure. So tell

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us a little bit about AskDrBrown.org

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and a little bit about your new book as well.

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I love it. Man, I probably got about 12 more questions

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for you than I did when we started the

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show. We'd love to have you back on again,

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because, because these are, these are real issues

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that people are facing today. And

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again, I kind of started with this, but you've, you've

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thought deeply on these issues in

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private and you bring incredible answers to public

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daily on your radio show with your writing,

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with your books. I just, I think you're an incredible

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gift to our culture at this time.

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Well, it's, it's a joy. Thanks for what you're doing

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and be glad to join you in the future again. That

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would be great. Thank you so much. Hello,

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We're hearing from medical. We're hearing from

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media. But the most important is, what

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He has not fallen off the throne.

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We hold these truths to be self-evident. All

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men and women created by the goal. You

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and we will take you to jail.

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Period. I wasn't thinking of the Bill of Rights

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when we did this. No amendment, no

16:57

amendment to the Constitution is absolute. God

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actually spoke to me. He spoke about

17:04

sacredness.

17:05

He said to me, Kim, what I've placed in

17:07

many, many people is sacred. And

17:10

if anybody touches what is sacred

17:12

to me, then it is the end

17:15

for them. So what I've done

17:18

in the United States of America

17:20

is sacred. And

17:22

there are people on every side that are trying

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to destroy what I am being

17:27

sacred. And it's not

17:29

going to happen. This is the

17:32

definition of criminal conspiracy,

17:35

racketeering

17:35

and collusion. This is not

17:37

a theory. This is evidence.

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Because I have

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a pelvis country to

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spread the light to the

17:50

list of the

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world.

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