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Before we begin, an important
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note. The story you're about
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to hear is Safraz Khan's version
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of events. Safraz's
1:01
former partner and Amina's
1:04
mother, Hamada, was
1:06
not reachable for comment.
1:12
All of us, at one point or
1:14
another, have experienced that sudden
1:17
unsettling sensation that
1:19
something is off. A
1:21
creeping sense of dread which
1:24
tells us that all is not right
1:26
with the world. An
1:28
inkling that we can't entirely explain
1:31
but nevertheless we're incapable
1:34
of shaking. We
1:36
tell ourselves we're being silly, paranoid.
1:40
We try and push the feeling away. But
1:44
sometimes that instinct is
1:46
right. In late
1:49
August 2011, after
1:51
Dr Safraz Khan had dropped
1:53
off his six-year-old daughter, Amina, at his
1:55
mother-in-law's house in South London, his stomach
1:58
begun tying.
5:45
And
6:00
I probably could have ended up marrying her, but I think
6:02
my parents would have, my mum would have objected,
6:05
my sister, my family weren't very
6:07
open-minded and a bit narrow-minded and
6:10
on things like that and they would just wouldn't accept
6:12
anybody from maybe from a different culture,
6:15
to be honest.
6:16
Eventually, Safra has made
6:18
the decision to return to the
6:19
UK, at which
6:21
point his family strongly suggested it
6:24
was time to settle down.
6:26
My mum said, look, you need to get married
6:28
now.
6:30
And before long, Safra has found
6:32
himself contemplating an arranged
6:34
marriage. It's not forced on you and
6:36
I know it does happen in many, but for
6:38
me, my parents said, look,
6:40
I'm trying to get you married, I'm just looking at contacts
6:43
in the local community and who's doing
6:45
the marriage activities. And so,
6:47
with my mum and on my own,
6:50
I probably saw lots of women and it was where
6:52
you just have maybe a first family introduction
6:54
or you go and meet the person on
6:56
your own and then you just basically
6:58
sound each other out. When I was
7:01
looking, I just found it hard, really,
7:03
to be honest, to
7:05
connect with a lot of these women. And then after
7:08
seeing like 90 girls and stuff
7:10
like that on my own
7:13
with my mum, there wasn't really many
7:16
opportunities left. Generally, you find
7:18
one person that you like and you spend
7:20
at least anywhere from six to 12 months
7:23
to organize the wedding, get all the family available
7:26
for the wedding dates because we have like two or three
7:29
events. What I was doing
7:31
was I was dreaming about this
7:34
relationship I had in Japan and I was
7:36
looking for that in my own
7:38
community, looking for that kind of
7:40
person, those attributes and
7:44
I couldn't find it, literally, because everybody's different,
7:46
right? And that's what delayed the process.
7:50
Then, after more than two years
7:52
of searching, Safra's met
7:54
Hamadar, a medical doctor
7:57
in training.
8:01
But I then met her,
8:03
I think we went out, walked
8:05
in the park and then we went out, I took
8:08
her to Covent Garden, went to a pizza, you
8:10
know, had dinner and then
8:12
after that I think we kind
8:14
of like said, alright fine, let's think about
8:17
what we're going to do.
8:21
Safraas and Hummer both believed
8:23
their union had the potential to be a successful
8:26
one,
8:27
so they decided to get married. A
8:29
year later, their daughter, Armana, was born
8:32
and she lit up both their lives.
8:34
She was really like a very happy child, playful,
8:38
she was intelligent, she wasn't one of these
8:40
babies that were crying and
8:42
moaning, she was quite content.
8:45
You know, for me she was my little princess and
8:48
I spent a lot of time with her actually, you know, instead
8:51
of all getting up at night and introducing
8:53
the first bottle. They used to take
8:55
her swimming from the age of six months and
8:58
I used to take her to the local leisure centre which was
9:00
really nice, she loved swimming from
9:02
that really young age of six months. I
9:04
mean she was always singing and dancing
9:06
and generally no issues, you know, whatever
9:10
happened between me and Hummer, we always tried
9:12
to shield Armana
9:14
from it and today she's a kid
9:17
and she doesn't need to be involved in what
9:19
happens between adults and relationships.
9:23
Sadly, Krak soon started
9:25
to appear in Safra's and Hummer's
9:27
marriage.
9:27
I think culturally we're two different families.
9:30
Here I'm independent, you know, of course I see my
9:33
family but I don't want to be every weekend
9:36
at my mum's house but it happens in our
9:38
culture where either the boy's
9:40
family, the girl's family, and sister, you've got to come
9:42
home every weekend. I didn't want that, right,
9:44
I wanted to build my relationship with her.
9:47
Hummer, on the other hand, was a homebody
9:50
and she wanted to be around her family at all
9:52
times.
9:53
Her family were really, really close.
9:55
It was like, in where they live in Morden, Hummer's
9:58
father lives in one house. with the mother and the
10:02
siblings. And then next door, literally adjacent,
10:04
is the other brother of Humma's
10:06
dad. And then across the road, there's another brother,
10:09
literally once 30
10:11
seconds up the road. And then you've got the sisters
10:14
living in and around, the houses, and it
10:16
was really, I didn't realize it was that type of
10:19
family, you know, environment, you know,
10:22
that sort of family lifestyle. Every
10:24
weekend, she wanted to go home, every
10:27
weekend. And it just created
10:29
a lot of issues.
10:35
Safrass was hoping they could find a middle
10:37
ground, one that would allow them
10:39
some privacy from time to time, away
10:42
from what he felt were the prying eyes
10:44
of relatives.
10:45
That also caused a lot of problems. And,
10:48
you know, I wouldn't say I handled
10:50
it very well. I don't think I did.
10:52
But I'm the kind of person, you know,
10:55
either black or white, you know, in a sense that,
10:57
you know, I'm not wishy-washy or
10:59
very vague. That's
11:02
how I conduct my business. That's how I
11:04
work and deal with things in life, just
11:06
to be straight up, you know?
11:08
Safrass and Humma's different points
11:10
of view about how to spend their time
11:12
meant relations between the two
11:14
of them cooled significantly. But
11:17
Safrass is keen to stress that
11:19
any fighting that occurred was purely
11:22
verbal.
11:22
There was no violence, no abuse,
11:24
no, you know, there was no nothing like that. It's
11:27
just that we're just not getting on.
11:30
It was a shame because, you know, we're both... On
11:33
paper, we look good. On the photograph, we look good. But
11:36
in reality, we just weren't
11:38
suited for each other, I don't think.
11:40
Both Safrass and Humma worked
11:42
full-time jobs.
11:44
As such, they split the household
11:46
chores and childcare down the middle.
11:49
But as time went on and the couple found
11:51
themselves increasingly at odds, more
11:54
and more of these duties were being left
11:56
to Safrass.
11:58
What was happening was that Humma was going to work...
11:59
work
12:00
in May Day and she wasn't coming back
12:02
home. She was going to Morden,
12:05
which I think was equidistant I think, or
12:08
more or less, between the two
12:10
routes and she wasn't
12:12
coming home. So she'd come home on a Friday,
12:14
Saturday morning she'd take
12:17
Armina to her mum's, I'd be at home, come
12:19
back on Sunday, then
12:21
on Monday, Tuesday she'd go back to her mum's and
12:23
then I'm literally looking after Armina
12:26
Monday to Friday, you know, taking her
12:28
to dinner and she'd get all her lunches ready. If
12:30
I didn't cook the food, if I didn't
12:32
clean the house, if I didn't empty the bins, she
12:34
wouldn't do it. I could live with the fact
12:37
that if I had to do the cooking and cleaning, go to work
12:39
and buy the shopping, I could live with that. That's
12:41
not an issue for me, you know. The
12:43
issue was the relationship. There was nothing
12:45
there, I mean there was just nothing. There
12:48
was no bond and she was committed
12:50
to her family but she wasn't committed to her husband or
12:52
her child and I don't think she
12:54
could see that.
12:56
The constant bickering created a lot
12:58
of stress.
12:59
Safras knew his marriage was in trouble
13:02
but he didn't realise quite how
13:04
bad things were until one evening
13:07
when he came across a job application
13:09
on the laptop he and Hummer shared.
13:16
I thought she was applying for jobs in Oxfordshire.
13:19
Unbeknown to me she'd been communicating with
13:21
her family and
13:24
she was applying for jobs in
13:26
Bermuda and we were living in
13:28
Oxford and Armina was a baby, literally
13:31
a baby and
13:33
she was going to do a one-year or two-year
13:35
exchange programme where somebody from Bermuda
13:37
comes and works in the Oxford Church and she then goes
13:39
to Bermuda to work
13:42
as a doctor and she told
13:44
her family this. She didn't communicate anything, she
13:46
was going to take Armina and I was
13:49
not even aware of that at all.
13:54
For Safras, alarm bells immediately
13:56
started ringing.
13:58
He'd stumbled across what appeared
16:00
Canada, and Ghistan,
16:03
Kenya, you know so really and
16:05
I thought I'm never gonna find my
16:07
daughter if she goes so all I did was I got
16:09
a prohibited steps order to stop her from taking
16:11
Armana out of the jurisdiction which
16:14
means that I went to court, made an
16:16
application to say look I have concerns
16:18
that my wife will take
16:20
my daughter overseas and
16:22
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In 2008 the couple
17:57
went their separate ways.
19:14
And
20:00
I was being really, really grilled by the
20:02
police, really for a long, long time. As
20:05
if I was the one that was, you know, the
20:07
guilty party and that sort of thing. I'm the one that got
20:09
hit. And that's evidenced by
20:11
the police at the time. But then
20:14
that was it. So she went back to
20:16
her house. I was in my house. Then
20:21
basically the custody hearing started.
20:26
Safras wanted primary custody
20:28
of Armina,
20:29
but he knew that it would be an uphill battle.
20:32
He hired lawyers,
20:34
prepared the best case he could.
20:36
And to his complete and utter surprise,
20:39
he won.
20:43
It was extremely shocking. I
20:45
mean, it wasn't shocking. I think it was a very,
20:47
at that time back in 2008, that was a
20:49
verdict which was slightly
20:53
unheard of, right? Majority
20:55
of men do not get
20:58
custody. But I had
21:00
demonstrated, and
21:02
it was evidenced
21:04
by statements from
21:06
independent organizations like the Nurseries
21:09
and stuff, and that I
21:12
was the primary carer. And I was
21:14
maintaining a substantial
21:16
degree of routine and
21:18
structure in Armina's life, right? She
21:21
had a home. She was going to nursery.
21:24
She had regular activities, regular routine.
21:26
There was stability. Hummer
21:28
was not providing that. She
21:30
was very, very home. She had really had
21:32
very rare interactions with the
21:35
nursery. We both had to give evidence
21:37
to the judge. And in
21:40
the course of that, the thing
21:42
about going to Bimuda came up. And
21:44
when the judge asked Hummer,
21:47
did you make an application to go
21:49
to Bimuda? She lied. She
21:52
said, no, I never did.
21:54
When you lie like that blatantly, and
21:56
then I produce the emails and
21:58
all the correspondence, and that's quite a significant
22:01
lie, that you're gonna take the child
22:03
out of the jurisdiction and that you're
22:06
lying to a judge.
22:08
Saffras was over the moon when the
22:10
court ruled in his favor, but
22:13
he wasn't spiteful in victory. He
22:15
knew that Armina wanted Hummer to be in her
22:17
life and he wasn't about to get
22:19
in the way.
22:21
I tried to be as generous as possible. I,
22:23
you know, she's the mother, so I
22:26
offered her three weekends out of four, shared
22:28
holidays, which I do regret now.
22:31
That's when all the problems started. You
22:33
know, as soon as we got the custody, I
22:35
thought things were gonna be better and
22:37
then it was just a nightmare.
22:42
Every pickup and drop-off became a
22:45
battle
22:45
and Armina was getting caught in
22:48
the crossfire.
22:50
What they would do, they would keep me waiting from six
22:52
o'clock all the way to seven
22:55
or seven, but they refused to just come out on time.
22:59
And then I used to wait for an
23:01
hour quite patiently to get
23:03
Armina back. And sometimes
23:05
I had to call the police because
23:08
they were just playing silly games and then they
23:10
would bring Armina out distressed
23:12
and crying. You know, they
23:14
used to alienate Armina
23:17
against me and saying it, you
23:19
know, and all this. And it went
23:21
on. It was really, I suffered so much anxiety
23:24
having to collect my daughter from Morden
23:26
because of the games that Huma used
23:28
to play.
23:30
These dramatic exchanges were having
23:32
a detrimental effect on Armina's
23:34
wellbeing.
23:36
They would traumatise her during the handover,
23:38
right? Oh, you're leaving your mum, your this,
23:41
your that, and just, she's, my daughter used
23:43
to come out hysterically crying because
23:45
the mother was trying to tell her not to go with
23:47
me. But then what would happen, by the time
23:49
we get home, she was, then she would calm down. Then
23:51
she was out of that environment and then she was back
23:53
to normal. Then
23:56
what was happening during that time, she was starting
23:58
to fuck her lip. Yeah.
27:57
needed
28:00
to get out of the country.
28:03
She managed to walk into that embassy,
28:06
get a passport made for a child
28:09
that's never lived in Pakistan ever,
28:11
never been to that country, she's six years
28:14
old and without
28:16
any proof or consent
28:19
from the other parent, they just went
28:21
ahead and just did the form, right? Without
28:25
any checks. And
28:28
I got an order against the Pakistani embassy
28:30
from the High Court requesting
28:32
that information. They point back lies, not
28:34
only to me and the solicitor but to
28:36
the High Court. And
28:38
this takes a lot of time. This is not just something
28:40
that's calculated. This is like
28:43
a mother, a desperate mother. This has been properly
28:45
planned.
28:47
Hummer had flown from London to Lahore
28:50
via Qatar.
28:51
There's a call made from the aunt to
28:54
the family home and I suspect that call was to
28:56
say, yeah, she's arrived safely.
28:59
Safra has used every legal tool
29:01
he could think of to find out
29:04
his ex-wife's exact location.
29:06
But Hummer's family remained tight-lipped.
29:10
Even the travel agent was not
29:12
playing ball. They refused to provide
29:14
the evidence. They refused
29:16
to provide who came in to buy the tickets.
29:19
When Safra's got the official confirmation
29:21
about the Pakistani passports, his
29:24
heart sank.
29:25
She went to obviously one of the worst places in
29:27
the world, which is Pakistan, with so
29:29
much corruption, so much
29:32
dishonesty, murders and God
29:34
knows what. And at that time
29:37
when she abducted Arman,
29:40
the Taliban were certainly prolific. You
29:43
have loads of bombings in the
29:46
north of Pakistan, bombings
29:48
in schools and all that stuff. And then
29:50
you've got young girls being attacked
29:53
by all these sort of things that she
29:55
took her there. And this is a child
29:57
that is not native to Pakistan. speak
30:00
the language.
30:01
Hama herself wasn't a Pakistani
30:03
citizen, but her family had
30:06
connections all over the country, mainly
30:08
through her uncle, a powerful
30:11
man by the name of Dr Zayed
30:13
Zahir.
30:15
Safranz, on the other hand, didn't
30:17
have friends or family in high places. There
30:20
wasn't anyone who could put in a call or
30:23
do him a favour, leaving
30:25
him relying almost entirely
30:27
on the UK legal system.
30:29
When you're dealing with the police
30:31
and the courts, especially
30:33
the police, being in the terrible
30:36
diet situation they are currently, they
30:38
didn't view me in the same way they would
30:41
have viewed a mother, or they didn't view it
30:43
in the same way or pursued it in the same way. And
30:46
trust me, I tried. I
30:48
had one officer called Gary Davison who I was
30:50
the liaise with. I mean, he did his best
30:53
as much as possible, but there could have been, you know, Hama,
30:55
I don't even know whether she was on the Interpol alert
30:58
as a wanted person because at the end
31:01
of the day, I mean, she's taken my daughter away. She's
31:03
taken away from her home, from her country. And
31:06
she's robbed me of all that happiness
31:08
and all that interaction with her
31:10
father, with her family, with her friends,
31:12
with her, with the environment
31:15
which she's accustomed to and
31:17
then taken to Pakistan. I'm sure she's going to have
31:19
a good time out there, you know, good life, maybe
31:21
wealthy, but it's a different culture,
31:23
different environment.
31:25
Every time Safra has engaged with the
31:27
authorities, whether it was the police
31:29
or the passport office, he knew that
31:31
people would inevitably make assumptions about
31:34
his case.
31:39
Because they think, well, why did she abduct the child? It
31:41
must be because her father's violent must be, you
31:43
know, there's always got to be a reason why
31:46
the mother abducts the child,
31:49
right? I'm a man, I just have to
31:51
deal with it. And that generally is the
31:53
constant feeling. There's no sympathy or
31:55
understanding why this man, why this
31:57
father is trying to pursue the child.
35:59
pushing for the case for the search.
36:02
Doing his job, he got taken
36:04
off because they have family are extremely well
36:06
connected. The doctors are here,
36:08
he was affiliated with one of the parties over there, campaigning
36:12
and all that nonsense.
36:13
Safras made multiple trips, each
36:16
time finding himself in increasingly
36:18
odd situations.
36:20
I remember going into, he
36:22
was a former police officer in Karachi,
36:25
a DIG, who was
36:28
able to give me believe
36:30
it or not, all the flight details,
36:33
travel documents for the family members coming
36:35
into Pakistan. I had that evidence.
36:39
I also went to his house
36:42
in, I think in Islamabad. And
36:44
we're talking about a house in which there
36:47
is his, the brother-in-law of
36:49
a really influential foreign minister.
36:52
And I remember there was armed guards, people
36:54
on jeeps with guns and stuff, and
36:56
going into this house, palatial house, and
36:59
seeing all these photographs of
37:01
Tony Blair and Bush, George
37:03
Bush, for example,
37:05
with this foreign minister and asking
37:07
help.
37:08
Now, honestly, this is crazy
37:10
reality of this child reduction,
37:13
that I'm in this house and I'm seeing all these photographs
37:15
of this foreign minister with all these influential people.
37:18
Every time Safras hit a wall, he
37:20
changed tactics.
37:22
I wrote
37:23
to every school in Pakistan.
37:26
I mean, that must have cost me about
37:28
five, six hundred pounds or so,
37:31
right? All the envelopes,
37:33
all the paper, all the postage.
37:36
I wrote to every school. I was so desperate
37:38
to find my daughter. I sent posters
37:41
of all the family members, the court orders.
37:44
There was an indication
37:46
that Amna was at one of the schools. It
37:49
was alleged that she was there, but the school didn't
37:51
cooperate with me. The police did investigate
37:54
it. It was a very famous international
37:56
school. They've got sites in the UK
37:59
and they've got sites. there but once they knew about the
38:01
abduction and then what I was asking they
38:03
refused to cooperate.
38:05
Safra's made five trips to Pakistan
38:08
over the course of several years but
38:10
he knew he couldn't carry on like
38:13
this indefinitely.
38:17
My wife, her wife was
38:19
not happy you know because he wasn't, he
38:21
worked all her hard all her life and she
38:24
supported me 100% in this but
38:26
it came to a point where I had to remortgage
38:29
the house. I was so much
38:31
money and it really
38:33
affected me.
38:34
Armina's abduction had far
38:36
reaching psychological consequences
38:39
for Safra's.
38:40
I had subsequently had a daughter
38:43
who I really couldn't connect with really well because
38:45
of the fear of not knowing
38:47
if she's going to be around and might lose
38:50
her for whatever reason.
38:51
And he's tortured himself for years
38:54
thinking about what he could have done differently.
38:57
I didn't take stronger action. I should have gone
38:59
straight to court back to court
39:01
but I didn't and that I
39:05
just didn't react on it. I did the right
39:07
thing in sending the letter in 2010 but
39:10
I just didn't respond take
39:13
you know more prohibitive action.
39:16
Whilst he was making his trips back and forth
39:19
to Pakistan, Safra's
39:21
was in an ongoing legal battle
39:23
with Hummer's family in the UK. He
39:26
was accusing them of being complicit
39:28
in Armina's abduction, a
39:31
case which Safra's lost. But
39:34
he believed that this was largely down to
39:36
inadequate legal representation.
39:39
I'll never forget that day because you know
39:41
the barristers and solicitors were doing high
39:43
fives and they were laughing and they were really
39:45
heavy. All the sort
39:47
of circumstantial evidence there was certainly enough
39:49
to imply that Hummer didn't act
39:52
alone. It was impossible for her to act alone. She didn't have
39:54
the bandwidth or the capability to do it as a
39:56
family member was quite instrumental. After
39:59
the verdict, which
39:59
left Safra's with a legal bill in the tens
40:02
of thousands.
40:02
He made one last
40:04
ditch effort to locate Armana.
40:08
I then decided to get a
40:10
secret investigator to
40:13
investigate the family at that point
40:15
because I thought they were going to go to Pakistan and they were going to be
40:17
really complacent, it's all over. And
40:20
Humma was seen
40:23
with the family members. They
40:27
had gone to Kashmir and Gujarat and
40:29
all that place and they were found. So
40:31
I quickly went to Pakistan. Prior
40:34
to that, the mother and the Sathya Osman
40:36
Dhara and Manavadhar, the mother got arrested
40:39
and detained and they said,
40:42
on their belongings was all of Armana's
40:44
stuff. All the
40:46
stuff that they took from London was
40:48
in a bag. They had all of the Humma's
40:51
clothes, they had all of the stuff that they
40:53
were going to put on Armana's clothes, they had her toys,
40:55
they had a DVD that I bought.
40:57
All these items, they had a Game
41:00
Boy toy, all of that.
41:03
And that was it. I thought that's it. They got
41:05
them. And then they wrote in a statement
41:07
that they were going to bring back Humma. They were
41:10
going to tell Humma to come to the police station. This
41:12
police officer was really doing a good job.
41:14
He got them to write these same things. They were
41:16
going to bring her back and then she can then go to court and they could
41:18
make a speech.
41:22
They can make a court application and then
41:24
they can contest what they need to contest.
41:27
And then I got there. I remember seeing
41:30
that, his face, Osman Dhara's face in
41:32
the place in the same room and I got really angry. I
41:34
felt like really
41:36
just getting angry. But I had to contain myself. Then
41:39
they did a 360 and denied the statement, denied this
41:43
and denied that.
41:44
Once again, Humma's family connections
41:47
were enough to keep them out of any
41:49
real trouble.
41:51
I just lost all hope. And then I went into
41:53
this depression. 2013 to
41:57
2015 just really struggled through life in general.
42:00
In July 2013, Hummer
42:03
was struck off the medical register in the
42:05
UK.
42:06
The General Medical Council ruled that
42:09
her actions had brought the profession
42:11
into disrepute.
42:14
Safra has documented all his efforts
42:16
to find Armina on a website, in
42:19
the hope that one day
42:20
she might, out of curiosity,
42:23
Google herself and learn the
42:25
truth about her abduction.
42:27
You know, in these child abductions there's
42:29
a thing called parental alienation. When
42:31
she was six years old she was a very intelligent bright child.
42:34
You know, she was the kind of kid that was reading, writing,
42:38
singing songs on YouTube and stuff
42:40
like that. She was a smart kid for her age. I
42:46
don't understand, she's 18 years old, what
42:49
Hummer and her family have said and brainwashed
42:51
her to prevent a child
42:54
where internet, access, mobile phones,
42:56
internet, all of that is so easily
42:58
readily available. What
43:00
they've said to her, you know, to
43:03
maybe where
43:06
you've got natural curiosity as to
43:08
where, why, where's my father gone? You
43:10
know, where is my father? And
43:12
ask her questions that maybe she's
43:15
not, I don't know why she's not answering,
43:17
you know, figuring out, I'm in Pakistan,
43:20
where's my father? Everybody
43:23
else has got a father and a mother, where's my father? Or
43:26
why she's not
43:28
doing any self, you know, discrete
43:30
investigations of self to reach out to
43:32
me? I just don't know and I suspect they probably
43:35
told them either I'm either dead or I
43:37
was this, I was that or God knows what.
43:41
Unsurprisingly, this whole
43:43
ordeal has completely undermined
43:45
Safra's trust in the legal system.
43:48
You know, I'd want that to
43:51
say to everyone, the police here, the judge
43:53
of courts, I told you I was right all along. They
43:56
were implicit in this abduction and
43:58
they did.
45:57
perhaps
46:00
she might start to ask questions about her
46:03
dad or even, Safra's
46:06
hopes, try and seek him out herself.
46:08
It's
46:09
been 12 years since I last saw her,
46:11
so trying to disrupt
46:13
her and disturb her at this
46:16
point is rootless.
46:17
I want to obviously to
46:20
find her, of course I do, but
46:23
the time has passed now where I wanted
46:25
her back in the legal sense, in
46:27
that sense, because she's 18 years old now.
46:30
And so that outlook
46:33
has changed. I certainly would love to have
46:36
interactions with her, but not with
46:38
the view of getting
46:42
her back to the UK permanently. She's now an adult,
46:44
she's 18, she's probably
46:46
in education. But certainly those people
46:49
that did the abduction, yeah, I
46:52
mean, they need to be punished. And that's
46:55
why I don't think Amina would ever come forward anyway, because
46:59
I would demand that she tell me exactly
47:01
who she interacted with, where she
47:03
went, who she did, you know, I'd want
47:05
that.
47:06
Safra has two young children. He's
47:09
told them about Amina and they're
47:11
keen to meet their older sister. He
47:14
remains hopeful
47:16
that one day that will happen.
47:24
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47:26
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47:28
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47:30
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