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What's up, guys. We've got a great show for you this week,

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starting my takeaways on the Patriots, Bengal

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situation, officiating in the NFL, the

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forty Niners offense, and so much

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more. And then we got a guest in to talk

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to us about the quarterback

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class and how Lamar Jackson might

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affect quarterback evaluation going forward

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and has always. We wrapped things up with our mail back. Let's

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go, all

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right, welcome in. Week fourteen is in the books.

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It's the MMQB Podcast with Albert Brier.

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We got a great guest coming back this

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week to break down a lot of quarterback

0:32

things. We're gonna talk about next year's quarterback class.

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We're also going to talk something about Lamar Jackson

0:37

and his effect on quarterback evaluation. But

0:39

first, as always, we're gonna start with my

0:41

takeaways from week fourteen, and

0:43

my number one takeaway involves

0:45

what we're seeing happening now with the Patriots

0:48

and the Bengals. In case you missed it, on Monday,

0:51

news broke that the Bengals

0:53

had reported um

0:55

an incident in the Browns press box

0:58

where cameraman in was pointing

1:01

up a New England cameraman was pointing a camera

1:04

um at their bench area. The

1:06

explanation, of course now is that the

1:08

Patriots were filming

1:11

a series called Do Your Job. I've

1:13

actually seen a couple of these called do Your Job,

1:15

and this particular, uh,

1:18

this particular episode, which all

1:20

of these are based on behind the scenes guys

1:22

and how their jobs working everything else, was on

1:24

a advanced scout. So they

1:27

follow the advance scout to the hotel

1:29

in Cleveland to the game show

1:31

what he does for work, how

1:34

he you know, conducts the normal Sunday

1:36

all that different stuff. So when the Patriots were

1:38

setting us up, they got

1:40

their advance scout credentialed or

1:43

they got their their their video crew credential to go

1:45

in there with the advance scout through the browns

1:48

um. The Bengals weren't notified. The league wasn't

1:50

notified, which sort of caused this problem.

1:53

Their cameraman set up a tripod actually

1:55

right in front of the Bengal scouts, which is crazy,

1:57

but he set up as the camera right in front of the

1:59

Bengal outs. Bengal scouts

2:02

flagged it, mentioned it to another Bengal

2:04

staffer. Bengal stafford brought to a legal official

2:06

who's there legal official confront of the Patriots

2:09

cameraman. Patriots cameraman

2:11

turned over the SD card, and now

2:13

the SD card is in the hands of the

2:15

league. It is under investigation. NFL security

2:17

is looking at it. So a couple of things here. Number

2:19

one, I can't

2:22

imagine, all right, So

2:24

either the Patriots are brazen as hell

2:28

or they just made

2:30

a really, really dumb mistake, alright,

2:33

because this is one of those things that you gotta you

2:35

gotta have your radar up for if you're

2:37

them, Like if

2:39

if you're accused of something, if you've got something

2:41

in your past, whatever

2:44

that is, anything related to it. You gotta be careful

2:46

in the future, right, Like if

2:48

you're twelve years old and

2:51

you know, you say a steel

2:53

pack of gum from from a convenience

2:55

store get busted, Well,

2:58

the next time you go in that convenience store, you're

3:00

probably it's gonna be really careful

3:02

to make it look like you're not doing anything shady, that

3:05

you're not doing anything that's weird, because you

3:07

know they're gonna have your their eyes on you the whole time. If

3:11

you know, you if you

3:13

get into a fight at school when you're a kid, you

3:16

know, and it causes a big problem. You get taken to the principal's

3:19

office. You can't even be

3:21

caught pushing and shoving after that. And

3:23

so with the Patriots, what they've been involved in

3:25

over the course of history, no matter what you think

3:28

of it, you cannot

3:30

be caught doing something that's

3:32

even in the neighborhood of

3:34

filming somebody based on what happened in two

3:36

thousand and seven and everything that's resulted

3:38

since then, what it's done to the team's reputation,

3:41

all of the rest of it. Number

3:44

two, this

3:47

should be open and shut case because

3:49

what's on that SD cardl tell a story. If

3:51

it's just seen stuff. You

3:53

know, you got a little sideline. If it

3:56

was a mistake, that's understandable. The

3:58

camera, the camera guy maybe doesn't know, wasn't

4:00

instructed. Again, that's stupid by the Patriots. Let it

4:02

happen, but maybe he didn't know, and

4:05

you know, then they should. Then then then the SD cards

4:07

shows crowd shots, it shows the

4:09

advanced scout doing his work. If you've

4:12

got all that stuff on there, it's pretty

4:14

easy to explain that away. If

4:16

it's twenty or thirty minutes trained on

4:18

the sideline, trained on a guy taking signals,

4:20

trained on substitution patterns,

4:23

that's something else. So the league should be able

4:25

to take care of this pretty quickly. So

4:27

again, this is on the Patriots.

4:30

You can't be caught doing anything close to what you got caught

4:33

for before. This is

4:35

and it should be an open and shut case. Number

4:38

two, This also involves the Patriots. And I

4:40

know I live in Boston, and I know I am on

4:43

you know, TV and radio up

4:45

there. I'm these aren't

4:47

these just two bigger stories of the week. So number

4:49

two, the Patriots Chiefs games.

4:53

The officiating was an absolute disaster.

4:56

And I say that as somebody who crushes

4:59

crushed the official. As for the

5:01

tripping calls, the phantom tripping

5:03

calls in the Dallas Patriots

5:06

game that went against the Cowboys a couple

5:08

of weeks ago, I thought that was egregious. And

5:11

what happened in this one, it was

5:13

an absolute disaster. And

5:15

if you want to set the scene, they

5:18

literally the officials literally took

5:21

four points off the board. Okay,

5:24

I'll explain this alright.

5:27

So earlier

5:29

in the game, they

5:33

Travis Kelsey caught a ball over the middle, Devin

5:35

McCardy popped the ball out, Stephan Gilmore

5:37

recovered it. It looked like Stephan Gilmore

5:39

could have scooped and scored, so maybe they took seven

5:41

point points off the board there. Maybe

5:44

he would have been stopped. Regardless, they

5:47

missed ay, they

5:49

missed a clear strip where the ball got

5:51

punched out, ball dribbles

5:53

out, Gilmore recovers

5:55

it. Patriots challenge that

5:58

Patriots win the challenge. Now the Patriots are out

6:00

of challenges, okay, so because

6:02

of this, they've got no challenges. So

6:06

they get the ball back, They drive it down, throw

6:09

a little swing pass out to nickiel Harry at the fifteen

6:12

nikkil Harry turns it up, stays

6:15

and bounds and scores a touchdown. But

6:18

he was called out at the three yard line. Replay

6:20

shows is pretty clear he's

6:24

waltzing into the end zone, all

6:27

right, But the Patriots are out of challenges now.

6:29

So because the officials missed the calling Kelsey

6:31

earlier, the Patriots are out

6:33

of challenges, which doesn't which which prevents

6:35

them from challenging what would have been a touchdown.

6:38

You want to pass forward into the fourth coarter of the Patriots

6:41

or fourth to go, forced to go on fourth and three

6:44

down twenty three sixteen. That deficit would have been

6:46

twenty three or twenty if

6:49

the officials hadn't screwed up earlier, which

6:52

means in that spot they would have been able to kick the field going

6:54

force overtime. So that's directly affecting the

6:56

result of a game. Again, some

6:59

of this on the Patriots too. They could have

7:01

confort for the fourth and three from the five shop

7:04

Brillan makes up playing the ball in the end zone, knocks

7:06

it away from Julian Edelman. Game over. But

7:10

I don't know how much more evidence we need that the

7:13

need to support the idea of a sky judge

7:15

in the NFL. I'll tell you this. Before

7:17

the NFL Owners meeting in March, I texted

7:20

head coaches. I got nineteen responses,

7:23

simple question, do you want a sky judge?

7:25

I got fifteen yeses. I got

7:27

too I'm not sure. I got two knows, and

7:29

even the two knows were well, if you do

7:32

this and this and this, maybe I think about it. That

7:35

was before the owner's meetings. Then at the owners meetings,

7:38

all three two coaches came together came up with

7:40

a plan like, here's how we would like

7:42

a sky judge to work. The past

7:44

interference review

7:46

process was a compromise,

7:50

and as

7:53

a result of that compromise, the

7:55

officials, for

7:58

one reason or another, felt

8:00

like the pressure

8:02

was now being put on them. And

8:05

I just tell you this, like the relationship between

8:08

the officials now and the coaches had

8:10

already been strained and it was

8:12

getting worse. And it's at the point now

8:14

where the coaches feel like the

8:18

past interference review process

8:20

and the way all of that has gone has

8:23

been marked by the officials being upset

8:25

that this has been dropped in their lap. Meanwhile,

8:29

the coaches don't trust our River on the

8:31

NFL is officiating, so are whatsoever? And

8:34

so River on his job to manage that relationship

8:36

between the coaches and the officials, and

8:39

that relationship is a mess. So

8:42

what you have now again, I know him all

8:44

over the place here. You need this guy, judge. You didn't

8:46

get it last year. Your compromise turned

8:48

into a fight between the officials and the coaches,

8:52

and now even embarrassed the league

8:54

for three months with all with with with what's

8:57

happened, what happened in the spring turning into a disaster

9:00

the fall. I don't know

9:03

how they're gonna do this. Oh, I know is

9:05

something needs to change, and this

9:07

guy Judge needs to going their owners,

9:09

who supported Jeffrey Laurie from Philadelphia is one

9:11

of them, and they probably need

9:13

to replace our Rivron with somebody who's

9:15

gonna better manage the relationship between the coaches and the officials.

9:20

And in the short term,

9:23

they need to do something two,

9:28

do something to make it clear

9:30

to everyone. And I'm not just talking

9:32

about people in the wig. I'm talking about everyone in the public

9:34

too, like how the

9:36

how how some of these things, primarily

9:39

the past interference review process are going to be

9:41

handled. So it's

9:44

no news flash to tell you here in Week fourteen

9:46

that officiating has been a mess in twenty nineteen.

9:48

And I'm somebody who's who's defended the officiate

9:51

officials over the years, but it's been

9:53

an absolute disaster. Number Three the

9:56

San Francisco forty Niners when they shootout

9:58

against the New Orleans Saints, and I think that that is

10:00

significant because it is winning a

10:02

game a different way than they've won

10:04

it in the past. Their defense carried

10:06

them through September and October. A huge

10:09

reason why they're eleven and two is because of that defense.

10:12

A very, very talented group on that side of

10:14

the ball. They won

10:16

that game in the Superdome on Sunday

10:18

with their offense. They won that game with

10:20

Jimmy Garoppolo, and

10:23

you look at what's happened on that side of the ball.

10:26

They were able to manage a tackle

10:28

issue earlier in the year because of their defense. They

10:30

were able to ease

10:33

Jimmy Garoppolo back in coming

10:35

back off the a c L. They were able

10:37

to give their receivers time to develop. The

10:41

defense bought all kinds of time for the offense

10:43

to come along. And now you have both tackles

10:45

back mcglenche and Staley. You go,

10:47

George Kittle healthy, You got Deebo

10:49

Samuel developing. You have Emmanuel

10:52

Sanders in the fold. The Niners are

10:54

getting better and better. And when

10:56

you get to the playoffs, you have to be able to win games different

10:58

ways, and now they're starting to win games

11:00

different ways. Takeaway number four. On

11:02

Monday night, the Philadelphia Eagles,

11:06

behind Carson Wentz, came back and won a

11:08

game. And I love what I saw from Carson Wentz.

11:11

We saw a player out there who's not thinking anymore,

11:13

who was able because they went to a hurry up

11:16

to just go out and play. And

11:19

I think we've seen a different quarterback the last

11:21

two years than we saw his first two years in the league. Whether

11:23

it's the A c L or something else, I'm not sure, but

11:26

he just hasn't looked the same. And I thought

11:28

down the stretch of that game, we started to see the old Carson

11:30

Wentz and maybe it was because

11:33

he was able to just go out there and play.

11:36

And that's a great sign for the Eagles going forward.

11:39

And the Eels have a really good shot to get in the playoffs

11:42

now based on where they're

11:44

at tied with the Dallas

11:46

Cowboys top to the NFC East. I

11:48

think they're probably in a little bit better spot than

11:50

the Cowboys are to win

11:52

the division based on where the team is and

11:54

how the team has been playing. But

11:58

do they have a run in them.

12:01

I don't think so. They

12:03

have practice squad players out there at the

12:05

receiver and running back. On Monday

12:07

night, Lane Johnson

12:09

went down, aushon Jeffrey went down. I

12:12

just think this team is too nicked up right now

12:15

to make it. But

12:17

I don't know that I want to play him in the wild card round

12:19

either. Finally, number five, the

12:23

other side of that the New York Giants have now lost

12:25

ten games in a row, and

12:30

I don't know how. I don't know that

12:32

that the that John Mara can

12:36

run this back the same way in two thousand

12:39

and twenty. And I've seen John Mara angry

12:41

in the past, and the impression I've

12:43

gotten from John Mara is that he is not

12:46

pleased with the state of the franchise. They've missed the playoffs

12:48

six of the last seven years. I

12:51

know he doesn't want to be the type of team that fires

12:54

five coaches in three years, but that's

12:56

where he is right now, and

12:59

going from Tom Coughlin to Ben McAdoo

13:02

and now a Pat Shermer, and

13:05

it does feel like this organization organization

13:07

needs something of a reset. I think Dave Gettlman

13:09

has done a nice job sort of restocking some

13:11

key positions over the last couple of years. And

13:14

I don't think I throw out everything that he's done, but

13:18

I do think that there is I

13:20

mean, look, they've leaned back on familiarity for a long

13:22

time. I think

13:25

going and getting somebody young and dynamic, like

13:27

a Matt Rule from Baylor, and then

13:29

modernizing the organization in certain ways.

13:32

It's what needs to happen, because it feels like it's

13:35

a lot of what we're seeing now is the

13:37

result of a lot of what we've seen over the last

13:39

five or six years. And

13:43

maybe that's why you blow to a

13:45

two touchdown lead on a Monday

13:47

night against the Philadelphia

13:49

Eagles team that was banged up coming in and

13:52

lost two key players in

13:54

the over the course of the game. All

13:57

Right, we're gonna bring on our special guests right after this.

14:10

All Right, we're gonna bring back a repeat guest now.

14:13

Uh. Good buddy of mine and

14:15

does a great job on Fox co

14:17

host the pregame show every Saturday, call

14:20

some games for Fox NFL.

14:23

Uh. Former Notre Dame and NFL corbat

14:25

Brady Quinn. Brady, welcome on back, Albert.

14:28

Thanks for having me back, man, obviously it's a good

14:30

thing. If for having me back. Yes the last time, Okay,

14:32

yeah, I think we did all right, We'll try to do better this

14:34

time. Um let's start here. You know,

14:36

we we talked at the start of the season about,

14:39

um where a lot of the young quarterbacks. Where I believe

14:41

you've just come off calling a game

14:43

in Arizona with Kyler Murray and

14:46

since then, of course we've seen what's happened

14:48

with the Ravens and Lamar Jackson.

14:51

So before we get into like your observations and some

14:53

of the college quarterbacks and how they've come along this year,

14:55

I sort of want to start with Lamar and

14:59

you know, just youre in russions from the season they've had, the

15:01

way they're running that offense, and whether

15:03

or not you think maybe what

15:05

he's done is in any way going to change

15:08

quarterback evaluation. Yeah,

15:11

I think the way this offense is

15:13

operated could potentially change

15:15

how organizations want to look at drafting

15:17

some of these quarterbacks who are more athletic

15:20

um and and that will

15:23

change potentially after this year

15:27

if Lamar can stay healthy,

15:29

because that that's the biggest question mark. You

15:31

know, we we've seen Michael Vick kind of come

15:34

through the league and obviously there are some other

15:36

issues that he dealt with that caused him to have

15:39

that break in his career, But there's

15:41

also the question of of injury. And

15:43

then once you figure out maybe

15:46

a little bit of the scheme, then how can

15:48

he play from the pocket? I mean, the rules

15:50

are we all know the rules are set up to protect

15:52

the quarterback within the pocket. So if Lamar

15:55

Jackson starts, uh, you know, either

15:57

getting figured out from a scheme perspective, which

15:59

we've get the I see that. I thought, actually, Buffalo did

16:01

a really good job this past week. Um

16:03

they were one of the closest outside

16:05

of Cleveland, which the Cleveland

16:07

game earlier this year I think had more to do with the

16:09

fact that the Browns jumped up on top. They

16:12

kind of forced them out of being able to just

16:14

you know, be balanced, run the football

16:16

on early downs and then work of

16:18

the RPO game that the boots, the play action,

16:21

the drop back, everything off of that, they

16:23

really couldn't play the style again they wanted to. And

16:26

so until we really see a defense shut

16:28

them down or we see Lamar gat hurt and

16:31

then we see him that kind of come back and be as explosive

16:33

or as good as a player. I just

16:36

I think it's gonna lend other teams to look

16:38

at generational talents like

16:40

Lamar and say, let's build

16:42

this thing out around them, which is very

16:45

different than I think what we've seen organizations

16:47

do in the past. And and I don't know that

16:51

there's many organizations that would have done what Baltimore

16:53

did because they have such

16:56

good leadership, great ownership, and

16:58

they've got a very steady hand at the

17:00

head coach and John Harbaugh. So, you

17:02

know, had this experiment or had this happened

17:04

somewhere else, I don't know that

17:06

they would have been able to stand the test of time,

17:09

just because of how there's everything

17:12

structured there in Baltimore versus some of the other teams.

17:14

Yeah, And like I would think

17:16

that like there's part of it that you just

17:18

have to like completely sell out for him, right,

17:20

like you you have to make it like sort

17:22

of like who he is. You gotta make it who you are. And

17:24

that's that can be probably a little difficult to do to

17:27

write, of course, And I think

17:29

it goes more than just who you are. It's it's even

17:31

the personnel. You know, a lot of

17:33

times, you know, back when I was being drafted,

17:35

coaches would be looking at whether

17:37

or not that quarterback or that player fitted

17:40

their scheme and personnel. And there's some

17:42

of that to a degree. But

17:44

I think really what's happened or changed over

17:47

the course of the past you know, fifteen years,

17:49

has been now organizations

17:51

are looking at the college level and saying

17:54

with limited practice reps and time,

17:56

limited time and pads. We don't

17:58

have as much time with these guys to really developed them,

18:01

and so we have to be the flexible ones. And

18:03

we have to take players who are

18:05

as close as NFL already as possible,

18:08

or have this extreme

18:10

skill set that we've just got to figure out how to plug

18:12

them in and make it work with what they do.

18:15

And that could be an offensive lineman, that could be a receiver,

18:17

that could be a quarterback. I think you're

18:19

starting to see that more so than ever before. And

18:21

I also think that's why you're starting

18:23

to see some owners be more open to bring in

18:26

a Cliff Kingsbury type because

18:28

they want to bring in some more creativity

18:31

or someone from the college ranks that's going to take a

18:33

kid like Kyler Murray and constantly

18:36

put him in positions where he can succeed. And

18:39

I know we've talked about this before, but you saw it with Tebow.

18:42

Yeah, I mean, and and look, I think

18:44

to some degree, you

18:47

know that first year

18:49

was different with Josh because I don't know that Josh

18:51

ever saw him being

18:53

like starting starting being a starting quarterback

18:56

until he really could refine his

18:58

ability to read a defense and handle

19:00

his offense. And once

19:03

Mike McCoy took over as the play caller,

19:05

and once Tim got his opportunity

19:08

that next year, that was where

19:10

you know, behind the scenes, Adam Gaze,

19:13

myself, other people were looking

19:15

at College state, you know, figuring out how

19:17

we could either implement some of the things

19:19

he did at Florida, or what was going on

19:21

with West Virginia and some of their

19:23

offense or Oregon and trying to put

19:25

in similar concepts that we felt like

19:28

would have been effective for him.

19:30

Um, And so that's where you started to see some of

19:32

those things come from. Now Again, you

19:34

know, Mike had to be has to be comfortable

19:36

with that if he's the one ultimately calling it. So

19:39

some of the stuff made it in, some of it didn't. But

19:41

if if you would have fast forward now, I

19:44

think you probably find, you know, teams

19:46

more apt to one that built around him. That the only struggle

19:49

that he's ultimately going to have was just

19:51

his ability to complete the football. And

19:53

as far as his ability as a passer, you know, he

19:56

had some mechanical issues and then just overall

19:58

processing you what he was seeing

20:00

on the field, issues that ultimately I think

20:02

doomed him with being able to throw effectively

20:04

from the pocket. So do

20:07

you notice anything Buffalo did to stop

20:09

Lamar? Like back to going back to the Lamar, do you

20:11

did you notice anything that they did? It was a little different.

20:14

I thought of how they used Micah Hyde was

20:16

kind of interesting. He was kind of down on the line of scrimmages

20:18

of different spots um and

20:20

and obviously you know the way they

20:23

mixed in some of the front I think one of the things that

20:25

you have to figure out in

20:27

handling a team that runs the zone read

20:30

is is you want to obviously

20:32

want to take away both the you

20:34

know, I used to say old triple option of your option

20:36

day the dive man, then quarterback in the pitchman,

20:38

right, That's that's why it's triple option. What

20:41

was some of these zone reads? Really it's

20:43

really only an option, right, So you've got

20:45

either the inside zone or

20:47

outside zone running back or you've

20:49

got the quarterback. And if

20:51

you really watch film of the Baltimore Ravens,

20:54

there's not that much zone

20:56

read to it. There's some where there's an option,

20:58

but there's also a lot of smoking mirrors.

21:01

I would say there's a fair amount or a mixture

21:03

of RPO. Some boots

21:05

off of it design quarterback run

21:08

and also some zone reads and so you get

21:11

a kind of a mixture of things. But when you

21:13

break it down, what ultimately

21:15

creates the explosive plays and makes

21:17

them dangerous, it's Lamar. And

21:20

so I think overall, you know, attention

21:23

to him and what he was doing

21:25

with the football where he was, to

21:27

me was was one of the biggest keys. And um,

21:30

I'm sure teams have tried to implement that

21:33

you know before, but I just felt

21:35

like Buffalo did a better job of kind of selling

21:37

out with that. Didn't look the wind played a factor

21:39

too, So maybe Baltimore Dealer

21:42

couldn't throw the football as effectively as they wanted to.

21:44

Obviously Buffalo couldn't. Um

21:46

And and there was instances where even you know, they

21:48

had Lamar taken care of, right, Matt Mulatta

21:50

was right there when Lamar decided to

21:52

keep the football and Lamar

21:55

puts a move on him like you've never

21:57

seen before, leaves him to dust. So, um,

21:59

they about as good of a job as we've we've seen,

22:02

but obviously it still wasn't good enough. Yeah, And like like

22:04

it's like you said, like I think there are three different

22:06

spots that where he said, well, and then it just was Lamar

22:09

right, like like so it's like you still have

22:11

a cover. But then it's like this isn't

22:13

just like a normal option quarterback. This is a guy

22:15

who's a pretty special talent, right.

22:18

And here's the problem with thinking like, Okay,

22:20

who's the next Lamar? Dude? This guy

22:22

doesn't come along very often. I mean, this is really

22:24

the closest thing to Mike Vick we've seen. I

22:27

mean, when you look at his his size,

22:29

his ability, even his ability

22:31

to throw, and he actually throws a good deep

22:33

ball. Um, he's continued to improve

22:36

with his intermediate routes. Um,

22:38

you know all those things. And and I just I think if

22:40

you're looking to stry to say, all right, like who's next

22:42

team is gonna do this? I don't

22:44

know, but you have to wait a while. I mean, next year's

22:47

quarterback is gonna be number one in that draft classes Joe

22:49

Burrow. And he's more of a Tom

22:51

Brady esque type quarterback, extremely

22:53

accurate, he's competitive as hell.

22:56

He's probably a better athlete than Tom has

22:58

ever been. But when you watch the way he moves

23:00

in the pocket and all that, like

23:02

that's kind of who he reminds you. And I get it, that's

23:04

really high phrase. People are scared to do that.

23:06

But I would say my comparison is

23:09

Tom Brady coming out of Michigan, not

23:11

Tom Brady that we've seen with the New England Catriots,

23:13

who's won a bunch of Super Bowls and is the greatest

23:15

of all time. That's the comparison

23:17

I'm making. But you look throughout the rest of

23:19

that draft class, Um, you're not really

23:21

seeing that guy. I mean, Jalen Hurts, he's

23:24

got some ability, he's not as dynamic as

23:26

Lamar Jackson was. I mean, go back and look at the tape

23:28

of Lamar at Louisville his last

23:30

two years there between his Heisman

23:32

campaign and the following year, where you statistically

23:35

could have made an argument that you could have wanted again. Um,

23:38

you know, Jalen Hurts me put up similar numbers,

23:40

But to me, he's not as good as a pastor

23:43

after the first read, and he's not as dynamic of a

23:45

runner um. And so I just think

23:47

if you go try to go that route, you're

23:49

really forcing the issue. And I think

23:51

that's one thing that we have to realize that Baltimore didn't

23:53

force the issue Lamar fell

23:55

to them really with an opportunity to trade

23:57

up and take him. They did it, and then they build

23:59

a round him. I mean you have to also be opened up

24:02

open to doing that and not you know, trying

24:04

to do it for a year or two and then if things

24:06

don't work, blowing it up and starting over again.

24:09

Okay, So I was gonna transition over,

24:11

but you did it for me. Uh to

24:13

what we're going to see coming out of college this year.

24:16

And I was the first question I was gonna ask you. I think

24:18

you just answered your number

24:20

one quarterback coming out right now. It

24:22

sounds like that's pretty academic for you. Yeah.

24:27

Here's my struggle with Joe Burrow. Why

24:30

why the why the huge jump from

24:33

last year to this year at L s U. I

24:36

mean, is it just Joe Brady their passing

24:38

game coordinator? I mean, is is that

24:40

just it? Is it just the growth

24:42

of everyone else out around him? As far as

24:45

the receivers, his old line and their play,

24:47

they've been phenomenal. Sneak Charles is has

24:49

been incredible for him. Clyde Edwards

24:52

Hilaire has has really been a Swiss Army

24:54

knight. If you're kind of reminds me of James White when

24:56

you look at his overall skill set and his productivity.

25:00

I'm just it's hard to put a finger on what

25:02

you attributed to because it

25:04

is a substantial jump. I mean, you're

25:06

talking about a guy who had sixteen touchdown to five

25:08

interceptions if I'm correct, last year, all

25:11

of a sudden is setting the SEC passing

25:13

record with whatever the forty eight

25:16

whatever ended up being. I think it was

25:18

forty eight when it was all said and done or something like that.

25:20

I mean, it's it's remarkable, and so

25:23

trying to figure out what caused that jump

25:25

and that leap, you know, a guy who couldn't

25:27

beat out Dwayne Haskins at Ohio stating

25:30

that's not necessarily a knock on him. I mean, Dwayne

25:32

had a phenomenal year and his one year starting at Ohio

25:34

State at fifty touchdown passes. But

25:37

trying to figure out the whole journey and the whole story

25:39

and why it's taken at this point to really shine

25:41

like this, that's the concern,

25:44

because you know, you look

25:46

at certain players, like my concern with Baker

25:48

Mayfield was it was he had a

25:50

ceiling when he entered the league, like how much

25:52

better could he get? Kind of look

25:54

at Joe, I kind of look at Joe Burrow, and I wonder

25:57

that, like, like, if he goes into a really

25:59

bad situation shame, is he gonna

26:01

be able to fix it and elevate the level of play of everyone

26:03

else out around him? Or is he gonna need

26:06

pieces and everyone else to grow with them

26:08

kind of like we saw from els you last

26:10

year this year? And I guess so, then the question would

26:12

be, because I guess the easiest explanation,

26:15

right would be the system. That's

26:17

the easiest way to explain it rightly. He got the right

26:19

offensive coordinator and Joe Burrow, Joe

26:21

Brady, right, he got the um,

26:24

he got the right situation around

26:27

him with Jefferson and Chase

26:29

and all the guys he's throwing too Moss

26:32

And so I guess, like the the

26:34

question that would be like as he have

26:36

have they completely maxed him out? Now?

26:38

Right? Yeah, That's

26:41

that's kind of the question. And that's it's

26:43

the question that concerned And look, it's it's maybe

26:45

a great problem to have because if you look at Baker last

26:47

year, Um, he went in really provided

26:50

a spark for Cleveland. They go seven, eight and

26:52

one. There's always optim is going to year two. Now.

26:55

As far as what transpired that caused

26:57

him to take a significant dip this year,

27:00

that could be anything from the offensive line

27:02

play in my mind deteriorated that that changed

27:04

head coaches and maybe Freddie cadges us to have the best

27:06

culture Todd Mulkin comes in, maybe it's

27:09

changed from the play calling what they're doing obviously Odell

27:11

and that situation never feels like they've got

27:14

on the same page. Um. But

27:16

but again, those are all the external things that I'm talking

27:18

about as far as what can help

27:20

or herd a quarterback once he's trafted

27:22

into that situation in the NFL.

27:25

And that's why I like Joe Burrows team

27:27

that takes him, And obviously the Bengals look like they would

27:29

be the team to take him, and they should be

27:31

better like their offensive line, I think, when healthy, actually

27:34

may not be that bad next year. Mixing is a

27:36

good runner. If a J Green hangs around, you

27:38

know that he's got a legit number one

27:40

to throw to Um and so there's

27:42

definitely some some hope there. It's just you

27:45

know, Zach Taylor going to be able to implement a system

27:47

that is similar to what he did at

27:49

L s U and allow him to kind of hit

27:51

the ground running because I think he can. But

27:54

again, all those things are are big question marks,

27:57

but has nothing to do with him. I mean, he's been phenomenal.

27:59

He's he's gonna be a runaway with the heisman. This might

28:01

be the most infinitive heisman vote we've ever

28:03

seen um. And then but

28:05

then the question becomes like after him, it's

28:07

a huge question mark. And that's

28:10

what I'm gonna ask, like who is your number two? And how big

28:12

is the gap? Yeah? I think my

28:14

number two is justin Herbert and full disclosure,

28:17

it's just out of a pure speculative

28:20

like safety pick at this point, right

28:22

like I don't know how to a song abot Low is

28:24

gonna, you know, if he's gonna return for his last

28:26

year at Alabama, if he's gonna be

28:28

back to the two a song ofbou Low we remember seeing

28:31

Um. If he was healthy, if he had never suffered

28:34

this injury, he would he would probably be right up there

28:36

with Joe. I would probably have like one A, one

28:38

B and just simply Joe ahead

28:40

of him because of how he's played this year. But

28:43

it's too big of a question mark for me. And if

28:45

I was too, I'd come out because I don't

28:47

know why you'd want to waste time go back

28:50

to Alabama, Like you have nothing to prove outside of your

28:52

health. I mean that's the thing for me, Like if I'm if I'm

28:54

to like my concerns, i get hurt again and then I'm

28:56

not going in the first round period, you know what I mean,

28:58

Like, if you get hurt again, if you go back or again,

29:00

you're screwed. Yeah. I think

29:03

the idea though that he like wants

29:05

to come back so you can go in the first round is a little

29:08

short side for a couple of reasons for starters,

29:10

Like it wouldn't be the worst thing if you end up going to second

29:12

or third round. Right, they don't have that fifth

29:14

year option, And granted there's a lot of money

29:16

that you lose coming into that, but if you're really trying

29:19

to hit it big, you make the majority of your money

29:21

and your second contract anyway. So putting

29:23

himself in a position where he's gonna be a year closer

29:25

to a team using the franchise tag

29:27

on him or a team giving him a long term

29:29

deal that second deal that really is where you make the majority

29:32

of your money. That's not the worst thing in the world.

29:34

Um, And so it is something to kind

29:37

of, you know, think about as far as the risk

29:39

and reward to going back for another year

29:42

risk and potential injury just to try

29:44

to get in the first round versus coming

29:46

out this year being able to start making

29:48

money this year. And maybe some team does take

29:50

you in the first round and is able to regishure

29:52

you because they have that fifth year option,

29:55

so you end up making that money anyway, I don't

29:57

want see a point of coming back. You could wind up being on

29:59

a bed her team too, I mean that, which

30:02

is which would be huge for him, right, Like you could wind

30:04

up like what if New England decides like and and no

30:06

one obviously no one's gonna get better information

30:09

onto it than Belichick, right because of Saban

30:11

and so like if Saban

30:14

gives Bill like, hey, gives him

30:16

the green like like, hey, this is a good kid. He's

30:18

gonna get it. Just it's worth taking

30:20

the year, um where he might not be available

30:22

to you, or he might be coming back. Don't worry about

30:25

that. Just just swallow hard and take him.

30:27

You know, Bill probably take him and then Bill

30:29

go then to it goes into that situation and

30:32

all of a sudden, you know, maybe he's got a two year runway

30:34

where he's the starting quarterback in one. Yeah,

30:37

and and let me just say this, he's special.

30:39

He really is. When you look at how

30:41

quick is releases his his

30:43

mobility within the pocket. Like people kind

30:45

of think he's he's kind of a runner, he's really

30:47

not. Like he reminds me more of Russell as

30:50

far as just buying time to then throw down

30:52

field. Um, he's incredibly

30:55

accurate. He you know, at every

30:57

level, short, intermediate, indeed, and

31:00

he's got the ability to anticipate. I think him

31:02

and Burrow the two that's really stood out to me watching

31:05

them throw and saying, okay, those are NFL

31:07

caliber throws, Like where where he's putting

31:09

the football, when he's putting the football out there, those

31:12

are all things that I think translate to the NFL

31:14

game. So he would be number

31:16

two, but there's just too many questions for me right now, so I'm

31:18

putting Herbert there. And Herbert he's

31:21

had an inconsistent senior year even though that the stats

31:23

look great, but when you turn on the tape, he

31:25

will have halfs where he looks like he should

31:27

be the first overall pick, and then he has a

31:30

few drives where he makes some throws and you're going,

31:32

what in the world. So it's

31:34

hard to it's hard to kind of answer those

31:36

questions. But he is a specimen.

31:39

He's big, he's got a rocket for an

31:41

arm. I think the thing he lacks the

31:43

most is the touch and being able to make

31:45

the intermediate throws, and and that

31:47

did display itself to me the most,

31:50

probably versus Washington, because you

31:52

had another example of a first round caliber

31:54

talent and jacobieson even though

31:56

again I don't think his film is translated to that.

31:59

He might slide in the second or third, but he's

32:01

got a rocket for an arm. He actually

32:03

throws better touch balls that two ball that

32:05

you've got to throw over a defender but before the next

32:07

line of defense. Um, and there's

32:09

some and he's an accurate quarterback. There's a lot of things

32:11

that you can like that that he possesses.

32:14

So those are kind of the four guys.

32:16

I would be shocked if they

32:19

all went in the first round, just because of the situations

32:21

with each But there's no doubt Joe Burrow

32:23

is going to be the first quarterback take and probably the first

32:25

player taken. Listen to you describe

32:27

Herbert source of sounds like Josh Allen. Yeah,

32:31

and and here's where it's

32:34

actually a fair comp. I don't

32:36

think he has quite as strong of an arm and

32:38

I don't see him being as elusive

32:40

as Josh was um coming

32:43

out of Wyoming. I think from watching his tape

32:45

there was times when you thought the play was dead and

32:47

he would somehow find a way just to avoid the

32:49

sacks and throw the football away

32:51

Um. And so you kind of really didn't appreciate

32:54

his athleticism until you watched the tape. Herbert's

32:57

very similar. This is an offense at Oregon.

32:59

And this is not to disparage Maria crystal

33:01

Ball or what they're doing there, but it is

33:04

not suited for him. If you go

33:06

to the Pactual Championship game, one of the things they did earlier

33:08

in that game, I don't know why they haven't done it all years. They actually

33:10

let him run. I mean, he is a great athlete.

33:12

The guy can run like a deer. Uh. He's

33:15

big, kind of more of a long strider uh.

33:17

And I think the comp for him probably

33:19

is more of a Ryan Tannehill. He's

33:21

a good athlete. I think he's

33:23

got probably a stronger arm than Tannehill.

33:26

But you know, you put him in the right system, I

33:28

think he can be really effective with

33:30

the right piece of around him. I think you're seeing that right now

33:32

out of Ryan Tannehill in Tennessee. Would you agree?

33:34

So the comp I had actually heard for two,

33:37

which I thought was interesting. I heard this

33:39

from a couple of scouts who go through there, and

33:41

who talked to the BAM of coaches was Drew Brees.

33:45

Do you buy that for Tua?

33:47

Yeah? Um no,

33:49

because I feel like his his pockets

33:52

sense and how he moves around, how he can create

33:54

stuff is different than what

33:56

I can remember from Drew coming out at

33:59

Perdue. Again, I think he's

34:02

if you look at his build and all that too, he's

34:04

thicker, he's durable. And it's just I'm not saying

34:06

that Drew isn't. It's just when I look

34:08

at when I watched them throw and even their emotions.

34:11

Um, his motion to me is much shorter.

34:14

And it's funny because like I

34:16

keep kind of going back to Russell, but his I

34:18

mean two, his motions way quicker than Russell's

34:20

when you and when when you watch Russell

34:23

when you and someone who he idolized, you

34:25

know, as a young quarterback, was Drew Brees.

34:28

So it's kind of funny because we're kind of

34:30

talking about the same kind of comparison as far as similar

34:32

height and all those things.

34:34

But I think the difference is just how

34:37

you know their motion with how they throw the football. I think two has

34:39

actually got a quick release than than both of

34:41

those guys. I think your biggest concern

34:43

with him is just how you

34:45

know. Like one of the things when you watch

34:47

the tape is he doesn't throwing a tight coverage

34:49

because it doesn't have to. But when I when

34:51

I watched him what he does, he still puts the

34:53

ball in there. You can still fit it in there and make those throws.

34:56

So that's really not a concern. It's just it's all about

34:58

the hip. It's all about his health. Yeah, because the that's

35:00

one of those things too, because he's throwing to Judy and Devonte

35:02

Smith and Henry Ruggs, Like

35:05

like maybe he's not doing a lot, but it's

35:07

basically he's not being asked to do it because those

35:09

guys are running free a lot, right,

35:12

well, the funniest thing I remember hearing about the course

35:14

of the year, and this is like just goes to show you how

35:17

unfortunately there's so many like hot take

35:19

artists on these like morning shows and things we give.

35:22

They're like, well, man, all he does is throw slants,

35:24

and so really, when you go break down the film and I was

35:26

like, I have like a three game breakdown of both Burrow

35:28

and and it's talking about, you know who threw

35:31

more slants, there was actually l

35:33

s U and Joe Burrow. And yet like

35:35

no, like no one was like making that case from They

35:37

were just like, wow, look how great Joe Burrows

35:39

playing. And look what Justin Jefferson and Marches all

35:41

these guys are doing. And I'm sitting

35:43

there thinking to myself, like, we're knocking

35:45

to uh for throwing slants these talented

35:48

wide receivers. We had Joe Burrows doing that more

35:50

to talented wide receivers. That may be very

35:52

comparable. I mean, I don't know. It's just it's funny

35:54

how the narrative gets spun, you know,

35:58

that is that's that's like the

36:00

new guy who we haven't picked apart yet, right,

36:02

Like Joe Burrow is sort of the new guy in the scene. No one was

36:04

talking about him last year, and so he's

36:07

like the new guy who we haven't picked apart yet.

36:09

Two is the guy who's been around forever. So everybody's

36:11

already said everything good about him. There's nothing

36:13

really great, there's nothing left to say

36:16

about him. So now you've got to pick up apart

36:18

right. And that's the thing that I hate about

36:20

this whole process, because, um,

36:22

you know, the college NFL game is so different, and

36:24

I feel like so many times we don't

36:27

appreciate what the guy was in college

36:29

and what he's what he's did or and what he's doing, and

36:32

we just want to project of what he's gonna be on Sundays.

36:34

And so much of any quarterback, really

36:36

any player is and then

36:38

their success in their career is predicated on

36:40

the situations circumstance they enter into. Um,

36:43

I mean, would Lamar Jackson be in this position

36:46

if he wasn't drafted by Baltimore. I

36:49

mean, would a team have sold out the way that

36:51

team did for him? Moved

36:53

on from Joe Flacco converted in and

36:55

we really like look at Myles Boykin for example,

36:57

Miles Boarkin is a guy who tests extremely well, he's

37:00

great down the field, but he's also

37:02

a bigger body receiver. Why is that important. You've

37:04

gotta have guys who can block down the field and

37:07

cover guys up almost like a tight end. And

37:09

you look at you know, for example, Hollywood

37:11

Brown his speed. You have to have someone

37:13

that threatens them because all of

37:15

a sudden, if everyone wants to start creep up around the

37:17

box. Now you've got a guy that puts

37:19

the fear of God in them because how fast he is in

37:21

the big place that he can make. And so they've

37:23

got those pieces, they drafted those pieces, and

37:26

again that's all directly attributed to Lamar

37:29

Jackson. And I think what they're trying

37:31

to do. I just guess that's what I

37:33

love about what Baltimore has done though. I mean like that, like

37:35

every single move was

37:38

with a purpose, Like you're talking about boy Can blocking,

37:40

about Hollywood being downfield. I'll even

37:42

take it to like mark Ingram, where like last

37:44

year the Chargers put seven dbs

37:46

in the field in the playoffs to stop Lamar. They're

37:49

like, okay, we'll go sign mark Ingram. Try tackling

37:51

him with a dB playing linebacker, you know what

37:53

I mean, Like okay, but real quick, the funny

37:55

narrative on that is one of the reasons why you know why the

37:57

charges used to many defensive backs. Well,

37:59

they're bang up right. Yeah.

38:02

I remember talking to Ampton a little about that. He says, yeah,

38:04

everyone knows, like we're trying to figure this out. He goes,

38:06

really, we're just been a lineback. We had to play that many

38:09

dvs. We never know the choice. Yeah, okay,

38:11

two last things in the quarterback One, is there somebody we're

38:13

missing that you really like? Is there a quarterback

38:15

out there it's going to be in the draft this year that maybe

38:17

it won't be a superstar, but like you could say,

38:19

okay, like this guy could be developed into

38:22

an NFL starter who no one's talking about.

38:25

Oh, that's a that's a good question. I'm trying to think down

38:27

the line. Um. Jordan's love

38:29

is an interesting one. Uh. He kind of reminds

38:31

me of a more refined Marcus Mariota UTAs

38:34

Now he did not have a good

38:36

season. Yeah,

38:39

I mean, and it could be that, and it just could be the fact

38:41

that you know, again, I think

38:43

once people you start hearing your name too, Like

38:45

he was a name that was like a low key name, like, oh,

38:47

maybe he's a first round talent based off that

38:50

film. Maybe that played a factor as well,

38:52

because he threw a number of picks. You're kind of washing

38:54

thing yourself. This is this

38:56

is not the player we saw a year ago, in particular

38:58

the LSU game. So I

39:01

kind of I kind of just I look, I look

39:03

back at how his season went, and I wonder if

39:05

he's maybe looking at transferring, trying to improve

39:07

his stock. Even though it would be hard

39:10

for anyone to beat out Trevor Lawrence. I mean that's

39:12

where if you're thinking

39:14

of doing it, like if you're Jake from a Georgia or if

39:16

you're Jordan's Love, it's

39:18

like, well, you're still not going number one like that, This

39:21

Trevor Lawrence is the best procect we've seen since luck,

39:23

So Jordan loves the most interesting one to be like,

39:25

he's the first one that comes to mind that I

39:27

feel like it will be curious to see what he does

39:29

and if he enters, because he's the

39:31

type of guy that I think someone could fall in love, fall

39:34

in love with and not necessarily take in the first round,

39:37

but maybe be like a kind of second, third round

39:39

guy that ends up, you know, maybe surprising

39:41

some people with his skill set and how he

39:43

plays, if again, surrounded

39:45

by the right situation. The

39:47

other thing, if you're one and you just

39:49

sort of touched on it, like, if

39:52

you're one of these teams, do you consider waiting

39:54

like seeing what there is with Joe Burrow, with Justin Herbert,

39:56

with Toua. Do you if you're a team

39:59

drafting the top five. I'm gonna let's just say

40:01

you have job security. Okay, I'm not firing

40:03

you after this year? Um, do

40:05

you consider this is like a two

40:07

year thing? And do you say to yourself, well,

40:10

if I wait, Trevor Lawrence could

40:12

be waiting for me there or even like

40:14

a somebody like a Justin Fields or maybe

40:17

one of these kids stays. Um,

40:19

would you consider that, like based on

40:21

some of the uncertainty on where some

40:23

of these guys are with you know, Burrow, you said the

40:25

one year thing, Herbert's raw, who has got

40:27

the injuries? Like if you were running

40:30

one of these teams, would you consider waiting until? Yeah,

40:33

of course, because I think you can get through

40:35

this next year with one of many

40:37

free agents that will be out there, and obviously the free agent

40:40

class will come before the draft.

40:42

So whether it's Marcus Mariotta, whether

40:44

it's Andy Dalton, whether it's I mean,

40:46

who knows, There'll be some veteran guys out there. I mean,

40:49

you look at what the Dolphins did this year. They

40:51

bringing Ryan Fitzpatrick. He's able to be competitive

40:54

enough to win some games. Like maybe Joe

40:56

Flacco is that guy somewhere else? Who knows. I mean, there's

40:58

a bunch of different possibilities, uh

41:00

to to throw out there as far as who would potentially

41:03

be available and if they could help you,

41:05

you know, get through next year to get

41:07

to the sweepstakes for Trevor Lawrence. So

41:10

that's that's I think something that I think

41:12

a lot of teams will contemplate. And you

41:15

know, the reason being is you also, if

41:17

you look at this class, there's not necessarily

41:19

a ton of depth in the offensive line. If

41:21

I were a team right now and I was drafting

41:23

some of the top ten, if I was not sold

41:25

on any of these quarterbacks, I would draft

41:28

the best tackle available. I would draft

41:30

you know, the best like edge rush are available.

41:32

Um, because those two positions right now, I

41:34

think are really what's dictating things in this league.

41:37

And there's such a shortage of you know, plug

41:39

in play tackles like and Andrew Thomas at George

41:41

R. Tristan works at Iowa, or UM,

41:44

you know, Leatherwood at Alex Leatherwood

41:46

at Alabama. You know those

41:48

guys are coming around the second third round. You're gonna

41:51

struggle if that's the case. So I think

41:53

you've got to invest into those positions. And it's

41:55

really just an investment into what you're anticipating

41:58

taking probably in the future, and then ex year's

42:00

track if you can get Trevor Lawrence or whoever

42:02

else ends up joining up its fields or anyone else. Right,

42:04

Like I always think about like how Russell

42:07

Wilson walked into like a fully formed

42:09

situation in Seattle because it was Pete

42:11

and John's third year there, so they built everything

42:13

up and like he just drops right in. You

42:15

know, it was sort of an ideal situation for you

42:18

form there um. And that's where like some

42:20

people have, you know, going mock

42:22

drafts, you get always wide receivers take in the first round

42:24

because they're, oh, it's such a great deep class

42:26

and like, yeah, you know what the issue is, Like

42:29

this is like the law of supply and demand.

42:32

Usually when like athletes

42:34

are scarce, like those guys end up getting

42:36

taken like higher or pushed

42:38

up into the first round because teams are

42:40

worried about waiting to the second round to get those guys.

42:42

So when there's a deep class of wide

42:44

receivers, you might end up seeing that run happen in

42:46

the second third round as opposed to a

42:48

bunch being taken in the first round. Because it's easier

42:50

to find a Jerry Judy than it is a Chase Younger

42:53

and Andrew Thomas exactly right.

42:55

Okay, last question then, because

42:57

this is a guy who sits next to you on the set listen,

43:00

Like I've heard for a few months about the Cowboys

43:03

thing with Urban Meyer. Uh, you spent

43:05

the whole year with him? Yeah? He

43:07

Do you think that Urban could

43:09

coach in the NFL now having had the chance

43:11

to be up close with him and work with

43:13

him for a full season? Um? And

43:16

be, do you think he's be sitting

43:18

next to you next year? So?

43:21

Um A, I think I can answer

43:24

somewhat easily. I mean, yeah, I definitely think

43:26

he can coach at the NFL level. He's had a

43:28

winning pedigree wherever he's been

43:31

and you know, really, I think

43:33

people are apprehensive sometimes because they're

43:35

like, well, it's a different game. It's

43:37

it's professional football, you know, can't

43:40

you make that transition? When yeah, because that

43:42

has nothing to do with success. Like

43:44

success boils down to a

43:46

number of things. In my mind, all the things which

43:49

you know Urban has, and

43:51

and that's his leadership ability, his motivational

43:54

skills. I mean, he has a very

43:56

clear mind and focus with whatever

43:58

he's doing. And so if we're trying

44:01

to put together you know, for example, his Urban's

44:03

Playbook, he is trying to make it the

44:05

best possible segment on TV

44:08

that he possibly can, and so he's trying to

44:10

have a very clear focus on what

44:12

the message is, what the point is, what he's trying

44:14

to teach, and if it's going to be able

44:16

to be absorbed and if you know, people are going

44:18

to be able to take something from that.

44:21

So, um, he's he's very

44:23

well thought out in that way. He's obviously

44:25

extremely highly motivated. I

44:27

think if you look at you

44:29

know, his track record and how he's been able to you know, build

44:31

up teams and have success, he's done

44:33

it relatively quickly. And so I think that's the other

44:35

thing that would provide a

44:38

lot of optimism to any owner that he would interview

44:40

with right away, because if they're

44:42

looking at trying to turn something around or win

44:44

right now, I think he's proven to be

44:46

able to do that. I mean, people tend to forget

44:48

like his first year to higher State. They want undefeated. I

44:50

mean, granted they were there banned from going into the postseason,

44:53

that wasn't his fault, but they want undefeated, like

44:55

that could have been one of his better teams. Maybe they could have

44:57

competed for a national championship that year.

44:59

And that's coming a Notre Dame alob where you had

45:01

Notre Dame playing Batchel Championship versus

45:03

Alabama. So who knows how that year would have

45:05

went. Um. But yeah,

45:07

I just think he

45:10

definitely. You know, I have no idea if he'll be working

45:12

with us next year. Um. You

45:14

know, that's all you have to be determined in the coming months.

45:17

But I don't. I don't have any doubts about

45:19

his ability to coach at the NFL level or him

45:21

being but have success and whatever he does,

45:24

I think it's one of the reasons why we've

45:26

had success. He's had success in doing TV

45:28

because again, he has all of those traits

45:31

um that relate to being successful at whatever

45:33

he's gonna do. Seem like he got like the competitive thing

45:35

going to when when you guys were in Columbus

45:38

and you guys are head to head with ESPN.

45:41

It's just I had a couple of people who know him pretty

45:43

well saying, like he's actually been able to sort

45:45

of use some of those things to get the competitive

45:48

like thing going, you know, and kind of get that part

45:50

of him, part of himself out. Yeah, there's

45:52

no doubt about it. And look, it's a competition.

45:54

The vision that Brad Zager, our executive,

45:56

kind of pitched to all of this was, you

45:58

know, ESPN has been kind of left off the hook for a while,

46:01

like no one's really challenged it. And Fox

46:03

kind of took on this idea of you

46:05

know, hey, let's let's try to go after this. Let's try to

46:07

build up, you know, our our college football pregame

46:09

show, our games, everything else and

46:12

and and we may not say like, hey, we're gonna

46:14

try to do what they're doing. I think they're

46:16

trying to really model our set after more what

46:18

they do and they have done on the NFL side, because that pregame

46:21

show is the best in football. Um,

46:24

and so they're they're trying to, you know, do it

46:26

in their way with college

46:28

football, and obviously he's the centerpiece

46:30

of the cornerstone of all of it. So, um,

46:32

it's it's been incredible, incredibly successful,

46:35

and a lot of that has to do with, you

46:38

know, how he has been behind the scenes,

46:40

coaching, you know, things up and doing

46:42

everything to to bring it to this point. It

46:45

yeah, no, it's it's you know, as far

46:48

as TV goes, it's tough because you get done playing

46:51

and I was literally in a booth and the

46:53

week after I got released by

46:55

the Dolphins and training camp back in two thousand and fourteen,

46:58

and you're you're like just trying to find yourself

47:01

in this new career. Like you you you

47:03

fail to realize how drastic your life has just changed.

47:06

And I don't think it hit me until like two years into

47:08

it. That was like I have transitioned into

47:10

a new career, like I'm no longer playing

47:12

football, And it sounds so stupid, but everything

47:15

kind of happened so fast, and you're just caught up in this

47:18

this whole deal preparing and trying to figure out the business

47:21

of it. And then you look back and go, dude,

47:23

like I miss it, Like I missed football, I missed

47:25

the locker room, I missed the guys, I missed the competitiveness.

47:28

I miss all those things. Even when you lose, like

47:30

you still miss that feeling because you're so motivated

47:33

after your losses to come back out the

47:35

next week and win. And so this

47:37

has been that

47:39

kind of group and team

47:42

because of you know, Urban and Reggie

47:44

and Matt and Rob and all of us and what our

47:46

goal has been to compete in what we're

47:48

going after. Where it's it's really felt like that. It's felt

47:51

like a team. It felt like you're back competing

47:53

in that and like almost like there are stakes

47:55

every single week and you're paying attention

47:57

to the numbers of other ESPN me it

48:00

it manipulates them or Fox does whatever, it doesn't

48:02

matter. You're paying attention because you feel like there's

48:04

a scoreboard you keep in scoring. You're trying to win every

48:06

time. Yeah, it looked like a lot of

48:08

people were looking at that scoreboard

48:11

a lot differently than the other people, you know, like

48:13

it just it literally there are a lot of different interpretations

48:15

what the scoreboard was that last For first

48:18

off, I mean the entire system altogether

48:20

now is like just outdated. It

48:22

needs to be reworked. But you know, even

48:25

then, it's just it's it's

48:27

hard to decipher from it anything. All

48:29

I know is that you know, from

48:31

from my experience doing

48:34

games and all this, I don't know that ESPN

48:36

has been ever, has has been

48:38

disconcerned ever about

48:40

a competitor and what they're doing in the momentum

48:43

that it's building. So regardless

48:45

of whatever that scoreboard says, like I

48:47

know this much, there's a genuine concern from

48:49

their side of things, and they should be concerned, especially

48:52

if this thing continues on moving the direction that it is.

48:54

Oh shoot, just the fact that you guys have their attention based

48:56

on where they've been and it only

48:58

took what three months to it there. It's

49:00

not bad, all right. You

49:02

can follow him on Twitter at Brady Underscore Quinn.

49:05

Catch him on Big New Kickoff

49:07

on Fox. He also calls NFL games

49:09

on Fox. Brady, always appreciate you coming out, Thanks

49:11

for having me on. I hope we can do it again, all

49:21

right. I always appreciate Brady coming out, does a great

49:23

job on Fox. Has great knowledgeable college

49:25

and pro football on the course, the quarterback

49:27

position. We're gonna jump right

49:29

into the mail bag. You guys know how this works. Every

49:32

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49:34

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49:52

six six. And

49:54

so now we'll bring in our executive producers,

49:56

Shelby Royston. Shall be

49:59

question number one from Dave.

50:01

If Jerry were to hire Urban

50:04

Meyer to coach the Cowboys next

50:06

year, how likely is it

50:08

if he would give him GM control as

50:10

well. I don't think he would make him

50:12

the GM, because Jerry is always going to have that title,

50:15

but I think Urban would have a fair amount of

50:17

say over personnel. UM.

50:20

I don't know that it would necessarily be a

50:23

Bill Parcels type

50:25

of situation where Jerry

50:27

sort of agreed to step best step way back.

50:30

UM. I think they could manage that, but

50:33

I also feel like a key here would

50:35

be the head personnel guy,

50:38

and that's Will McClay, who's a former coach

50:40

himself, who has worked

50:42

in that organization for a long time, who

50:44

has a great relationship with the Jones Is, and

50:47

who's always been able to sort of draft

50:49

and sign players to whoever

50:52

his coaching staff is. And so

50:54

to me, if I'm

50:57

Urban Meyer or I'm Lincoln Riley, like,

50:59

the key relationship in the building is actually with

51:01

Will McClay, who runs the scouting department,

51:04

does a great job there, and who I think

51:06

would be able to set things up so you would be

51:08

getting players in there that fit

51:11

what Urban Meyer would be looking for at

51:13

each position. Question number two Shelby

51:16

from oh Bed, what do you think about

51:18

Daniel Jeremiah being a candidate

51:21

for the GM and Matt Rule being

51:23

the head coach of the Giants? Is

51:25

that out there? I don't even know speculating?

51:29

Okay, uh? I love DJ. I

51:32

think dj DJ has got great people skills,

51:36

Like I'm not like I I don't know that

51:38

I'm the best guy of great evaluators, but I've always

51:40

thought he's smart talking about players and everything

51:42

else. I think the key

51:45

with the Giants that they're bringing him, that rule would

51:47

be how it would be structured around him, because there

51:49

would be a little bit of a learning curve. Now, he has worked

51:51

in that organization before UM.

51:54

He was an offensive assistant two that wasn't twelve,

51:56

I believe, and so he does have

51:58

some background having worked in that organist station. He

52:00

was on Tom Coughlin's staff there for a year.

52:03

But he doesn't have a ton of NFL experience,

52:05

and so I think being able to

52:08

sort of backstop him with experience people

52:10

would be important. DJ hasn't

52:12

worked for a team for a few years, so that

52:14

would be an interesting route

52:16

to go UM, and

52:18

I think a lot of what

52:21

you would want there would be. Okay, we need a robust

52:23

scouting department that's going to be able to draft

52:26

players to what our coaches want, like I said

52:28

with the Cowboys, and the one

52:30

thing that DJ does have, and again

52:32

we're speculating here, but the one thing DJ would

52:34

have is so much experience having been on

52:36

the road, knowing the college scene and

52:39

understanding the college game, and having

52:41

looked at what Matt Rule wants

52:43

wants in players UM looking at

52:46

what Matt Rule wants in a program. So

52:48

I think there'll be some definite positives

52:50

there. But again, if you had two guys who, like

52:53

DJ, doesn't have the executive experience,

52:55

RULE doesn't have the NFL experience, you

52:58

know, I think that the key would be, you

53:00

know, with those two guys who I both think would be really

53:02

good at those jobs, the key would be,

53:04

how do you fill in around them? And how do you make

53:06

up for what they don't have? Question number three Shelby

53:10

from PJ. At least

53:12

two teams had players hit

53:14

with the flu last week. Do teams

53:16

asked the players to get flu shots? Can

53:19

they require them to do so? It seems

53:21

like this happens every year. I don't know if they

53:23

can require them to do so, but I know that sort

53:25

of thing is certainly available with the teams,

53:27

and I know that teams are really really

53:29

serious about it and get on top of it really quickly.

53:32

Um. You know, we saw the situation

53:34

with the Patriots a couple of weeks ago where they

53:37

took separate planes down to Houston

53:39

and there was an actual flu plane, believe it

53:41

or not, where you know the players have

53:43

been quarantined flew amongst

53:46

themselves down to Houston.

53:48

Um, you know, there have been other situations

53:51

I know where they and this happens

53:53

across the leagu where they'll send a guy home. Um,

53:56

you know, I I've I've

53:58

heard of players having to wear surgical masks around

54:00

the around the building. Teams

54:02

get right on top of this sort of thing. I don't think they can force

54:05

anybody to get a flu shot, but

54:07

they do their best to stay on top of these things. And

54:09

I don't know that a lot of the things that you would

54:11

have normally available to you as a normal human

54:14

being, like that you'd go to your doctor

54:16

to get or whatever, are available in those NFL

54:18

facilities. Question number

54:21

four Shelby, all right, we have a voicemail.

54:24

Hey Albert, it is Morty. Um.

54:27

Enjoyed your article today. M. Saban

54:29

and Belichick. Was just curious

54:31

over the years if you have had conversations

54:36

quote unquote conversations with Belichick

54:39

and if he had ever talked about any

54:42

influences that he had had had

54:44

with with build

54:46

ourselves. We're curious to hear that. Thanks.

54:49

Thanks for the question, Marty. I do appreciate you calling

54:51

on the voicemail. Two again, that's two four

54:54

three four six. Way

54:56

back, I had some conversations with Bill

54:58

about some of his influences coming up,

55:00

and I think Parcels was certainly one of them.

55:03

Um, no question that that was somebody that

55:05

he I think took

55:08

a lot as far as program building

55:10

from Um. And you see

55:12

some of the marks of Parcels still and

55:14

how they run their building. It's

55:17

relentless UM. Relentless

55:21

discipline. Um, that's something that Parcels

55:23

preach is something that you see from Belichick. The

55:26

other thing that's that's very obvious is

55:29

the way that they um, the

55:31

way that they have that there's very stringent

55:33

about prototypes.

55:36

And Parcel's old saying was, you

55:38

know, you start making

55:41

exceptions, you're gonna wind up with a team full of them.

55:43

And so you know, belichick system has always

55:45

had like that sort of like okay, like a defense

55:48

event has to have arms this long, needs to be this

55:50

tall, all that different stuff. So those

55:52

would be a couple of things. But I

55:54

don't know there's any one coach that was like overwhelmingly

55:58

an influence on Belichick to the point where you would call

56:00

him his mentor. I mean, he says in the dock

56:02

like that saving has had an impact

56:04

on him and has has has been influential for

56:06

him, and I totally. I

56:08

can understand that. And I also think Bill has

56:10

been such a historian in the game that

56:13

there are guys that he didn't coach with their coach

56:15

against that were influential on him.

56:17

UM. At the top of the that list, I think would

56:20

be Paul Brown. And so I think Bill

56:22

is sort of one of these guys that's

56:25

taken a little bit from a lot of people who's

56:27

been around, and then taken a little

56:29

bit from a lot of people who he

56:31

didn't get the chance to be around in

56:34

sort of shaping who he's become as a coach. Shall be

56:36

question number five from Joseph.

56:39

Any chance that the paths will take

56:41

a flyer on a guy like crab Tree?

56:45

Crab Tree is an interesting name, I

56:48

don't think so. I think at this point you're

56:50

in a position where where

56:53

you're sort of like going with what you've got.

56:56

And the reason I say that is

56:58

because that oftense is pretty

57:00

complex. There's a lot to it, and

57:02

it's at this point with

57:05

the guys that you have Julian Edelman, Mohammed

57:07

Sannu, Nikil, Harry, Jacobe Myers,

57:10

the guys who are on board. UM,

57:12

outside of Edelman, you want

57:14

to like You've got a bunch of guys who are

57:17

either new you know, Philip or Set's not new.

57:19

But like you got guys who are either new

57:22

to the league or new to the team.

57:24

And so I think right now there's only a

57:26

certain amount of reps that you have left in the

57:28

regular season to get guys ready for the playoffs.

57:31

I think you need to use those and the guys that you have in

57:33

the building right now. And so

57:35

the question is gonna be whether or not Brady trust's

57:38

Harry and Myers enough when

57:41

it really counts, And that's gonna be I think an open

57:43

question going forward. And then

57:45

you know with with with Sanu, it's

57:47

can he get up to the point where he's the player

57:49

he was in Atlanta? Um and he's playing

57:52

fast enough to be that guy, And the only

57:54

way that you get there is through getting him as many reps

57:56

as you possibly can. Question number six

57:58

Shelby um Mike.

58:01

With the Patriots being investigated

58:03

and turning over their footage to the NFL,

58:06

what could be the punishment for them

58:08

wiping their footage? I

58:11

think he means before they like if

58:14

they like asked for it, and he like they

58:16

wiped it off their camera like they

58:18

wiped it. Woof.

58:22

I don't know, man, Like, I don't know. I mean,

58:24

I would think that that would be a punishment when

58:26

we saw the way that like so

58:28

like the the injury reporting situation

58:31

with the Steelers and the injury reporting situation

58:33

with the Lions this year went down

58:35

where the coaches themselves were actually getting

58:37

fined and so, I

58:39

mean, man, if they were wiping footage,

58:42

now, I know Belichick wouldn't become like if

58:44

that had happened like on

58:46

site, you know, like like that, I

58:48

guess that was the case was you know, at least

58:50

it was reported that the guy said, well, what if

58:52

I just erase all the footage here? Can we

58:54

forget about it? Um

58:58

man? I like, I don't know, I don't that be a good

59:00

situation because that would be destruction of evidence,

59:02

and we saw in the Brady case how destruction of evidence

59:04

goes, and so I would think the Patriots would

59:07

take a pretty serious penalty for that one.

59:09

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59:11

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