The pandemic and subsequent economic crisis has shown how good government matters. But what if the state aspired to do more? Leading economist, Mariana Mazzucato says governments need to rediscover ambition, confidence and in-house expertise to make capitalism solve problems like climate change and inequality. Plus, when it comes to ambition – what are China’s priorities as outlined in the latest 5-year plan?

Guests: Professor Mariana Mazzucato, Director, Institute for Innovation and Public Purpose, University College London. Author of Mission Economy: A Moonshot Guide to Changing Capitalism.

Professor Jane Golley, Director, Australian Centre on China in the World, Australian National University, co-editor, The China Story Yearbook