The dirty topic of money. A conversation held in hushed tones in the staff kitchen. Tentatively approached around the pub table. Awkwardly brought up in a final interview. The creative industry has long had a money problem. But why is it so difficult to discuss? Today’s episode lifts the lid on salary secrecy, debating the pros & cons of transparency, and interrogating why we’re all so tight-lipped about our finances. 

Cat How, Founder of How&How shares how salary transparency works in their studio and whether her team (both present and future) is on board with telling the world what they earn.

Alec Dudson, Founder & Editor-in-Chief at Intern, talks about the creative industry being chronically undervalued and how this bleeds into our view on salaries.

Josie Young, an independent designer, reflects on negotiating with employers & sharing with peers, and how those experiences have shaped her negative feelings around money.

In an episode filled with those awkward, difficult questions… ultimately, we’re asking today's guests to put their money where their mouth is. 

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Hosted & created by Katie Cadwell

Edited by James from Be Heard

Original music 'Theme From NDA' by Jamie Ellul & Toby McLaren

Honourable mentions include Johnson Banks & Buffer

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