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How Online Trolls Left Justine Bateman Feeling ‘Messed Up’

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hello and welcome to another sunday bonus or sort of

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the new abnormal we think so much for

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being here today we have an extra special

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an actress justine beep and view

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of course we know from family ties her

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to maui all about her book face but

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first puts have some fun are we ready

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to listen to some clips hilly i

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, you

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know i'm always ready for clips ready for quotes

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we really have a world tour of stupid today

1:40

hard to imagine you're shocked to you're this

1:43

never happens on this episode the

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first comes from who i like to think of as

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the taken king jesse water

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so

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and if them ten person

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that they can focus everyone on so

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that they don't have to talk about what a mess aren't

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i'm lisa disappointed perfectly

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the had anything to that and and

2:02

greg is right we are better people vote

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we lose the

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, also have a

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nice don't fly but we lose with

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honor we should take notes and babies heard

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funneling money to the squad types

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of the dem primary we can knock them off easier

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in them general

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yeah this is it is amy

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just getting some rival goods important

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about

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it's class is that see i see waters

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just said that republicans

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are there are are

2:30

good losers and don't

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i mean did have some isn't from still saying

2:35

he won the twenty twenty election or i

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mean slate you can't to say

2:40

they didn't have any basis

2:42

in reality more bet you know

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we were me and camera

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did you forget what he he forgot what that was enough

2:49

for him that is completely like

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i'm sorry but what you know

2:54

day were of we lose with dignity

2:56

a man know and also your better

2:58

people your whole party is based

3:01

on the idea that you know pay taxes my

3:03

it's a bit of course the and experiencing

3:05

secret i mean you know the less

3:08

cruel people the people don't love

3:10

trump is i'm saying republicans visiting

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won't pay taxes rates i mean this

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is not the measure of like

3:16

how good a person you the bar know

3:18

which bizarro world stuff and it's just

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i need started from the top where i mean if

3:23

you ever find yourself in a position where you're saying

3:25

to jeanine pirro you said it perfectly

3:28

you , made sad life choices

3:31

and that is what is going

3:33

on here all of these people

3:35

including my former coworker

3:38

have made dad life choices choices

3:41

they are now stuck saying

3:43

things that not only don't bear

3:46

in a relationship to reality they are the opposite

3:48

of what actual reality is

3:51

and it's beyond obvious

3:53

that it's republicans debt

3:55

for forever have been briefed bringing

3:58

the guns to the fight democrats

3:59

the ones you want to ban guns by the way since

4:02

so but now that the democrats

4:04

are finally standing

4:07

up a little bit and fighting the

4:09

people on fox don't know what to do with themselves and

4:11

so they spout is absolute

4:14

nonsense that again it's not even that it's

4:16

not true it's the opposite of true like

4:18

everything's just reverse the parties

4:20

in everything they say and then it's

4:23

true what

4:24

they're just basically saying all the stuff

4:27

they've heard democrats say but

4:29

it doesn't mean you're the one to one

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except the election results i still think it's

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like amazing

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the waters and judge box of

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y en su of my and

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like absolutely the the dumbest

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people on television who have continued

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to i do really was sox are

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they fries it is absolutely amazing

4:49

and ages again is

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very instructive thing is to listen to everything

4:54

they say and just again reverse

4:57

the parties and that's where you get the truth

4:59

but you know this is what their viewers

5:01

wanna hear they know what's what their viewers

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wanna hear and they're not about

5:06

telling anyone the truth or being accurate

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or about sacks bear about telling their viewers

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what they want to hear i just want to say one

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last thing which i think as important as specified

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there is no world in which the

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cia or the as

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me i stood with the liberal democrats

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like ssssss

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the it is fucking works right and seen

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that i'm telling you right now maybe

5:27

one or two of them voted for hillary because they

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just

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dammit trump for it these are not

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democrat know look these are the same

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people who talk about the woke general right

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which come on i do have one

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clarification one clarification terms box

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one does say something perfectly you know

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what you go to a bar the bartenders of the average

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for a dozen dot a baker drake i bet

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to see could say etti drake see

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was made absolutely perfect

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sense so very so he's making

5:54

fun of people for being up hard but i also

5:56

feel that i have a lot of credible

5:57

the with it and he i mean i

5:59

what's gone on our bed it does seem

6:02

quite in the bag much of the time are

6:09

so we have another reoccur exact

6:11

web what their howitzers a walker's

6:13

howitzers know i support

6:15

a bad as isolates like clearly

6:17

there's as lot going on there's that

6:19

the is that is causing this physical

6:23

injuries you ,

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see we go where you are you gotta

6:27

pay tribute to the nine eleven

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victims are you know but also

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you saw america come together together

6:34

saw american come together because this

6:36

country was i know it was on

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the war the com for a

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country that didn't believe in us and

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right now we have our leaders and was

6:45

like joe biden doing venomous speeches

6:48

that doesn't believe in america p e

6:50

jill biden is just like is qaeda be

6:53

, when he says it's

6:56

al qaeda is a country i guess that's

6:58

what he saying i mean i just

7:00

so hard to really even know what he's

7:02

saying yeah and again as

7:04

you know we've said this on so before

7:06

isn't and you said earlier is

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to you didn't get out and

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, is not a joke he

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soon as i mean he clearly like

7:17

and i don't mean this as a joke seem

7:19

like maybe he's a a child for see

7:21

to yeah cause it's

7:24

just the things that come out of his mouth they

7:26

don't make sense and

7:28

is sort of console what he's getting

7:30

have even though it's wrong this

7:32

console what did feels bad about this this decided

7:34

like when i was guessing in history class

7:36

my had studied for right

7:39

but he's running for senate jesse know

7:42

her , would like him should not be guessing

7:44

they're all hung about say but

7:46

he's to be running for says i'll just say i'll think this is

7:48

less braided juri bore just

7:51

as though idea what the hell ever

7:53

was happy with politics because he never thought he was

7:55

gonna do this until a psychotic

7:58

former races game show host decide you should

8:00

be a senator yeah yeah i think it's most

8:02

by the way i don't think he's a former racist

8:04

is a former game allows us you'll see

8:06

this is angela is a reality television

8:08

knows but yes agreed the

8:10

river okay i actually don't know how

8:12

to sprouts this last they've just got to

8:15

go the spotlight today but

8:17

dot baldock i was

8:19

, v is set of canada for the dlc

8:22

a do have have guy's lives

8:25

with solicitor what he has to save

8:26

the just one his primary on tuesday

8:29

which is why not

8:30

the head he has not been any is

8:32

why funny they need had all this time

8:34

to prepare for prime time and let me

8:36

just it is not ready that's a good

8:39

we have in a live and learn

8:41

right and i've done a lot of

8:43

research on this and i've spent

8:46

the past couple of weeks talking weeks talking

8:48

state has all of the state

8:50

the from

8:51

you know every party and

8:53

i have come to the conclusion and i want to be definitive

8:56

on this election was not stolen

8:59

was there fraud

9:00

yes is that a concern of granite

9:02

state was all over the state yes there

9:05

is there are responsibility

9:07

for public servants and elected positions

9:09

to ensure that our

9:11

citizens of faith in their voting

9:14

system

9:15

yes

9:16

what are watching job consequences

9:19

and unfortunately president

9:21

biden is the legitimate president

9:24

of this country

9:25

these are the important thing about this through

9:27

to important things one is that as

9:30

little as a month ago when he was

9:32

running in his primary he said the

9:34

election was stolen and he's been saying so long

9:36

he also promotes anti vax conspiracies

9:39

emmys out there that he said this

9:41

now that he won his family right

9:43

exactly so he said this now when his primary

9:46

and i we gotta i gotta give credit

9:48

to bill hemmer at fox news who actually

9:50

call them out on it and said that he

9:52

knows you said just a month ago that

9:54

the election was stolen because a lot

9:56

of times on fox news and in conservative

9:58

media pages and that

10:00

the past which can be as recent as

10:03

an hour ago never happened and

10:05

that the things they said indeed didn't happen

10:07

at least for once somebody called

10:10

one of these idiots out on

10:12

their just you know on the fact that they've

10:14

just been straight up lying or he's lying

10:16

now and he doesn't believe that

10:18

the and he does still believe the election was don't

10:21

who the hell knows but he is somehow

10:23

again he's the new hampshire senate candidate

10:26

for the glp money against

10:28

magic son first of all we he's

10:30

got he's got the name of like a low level

10:32

boss in a fantasy video

10:34

game yeah and mario

10:37

brothers or something i don't know where they keep finding

10:39

these people they're everywhere

10:41

i also think that again and it

10:43

was together so for these are swing

10:45

states

10:47

nah mississippi they dislike

10:49

to stay with a blue sanded

10:51

are so now you're gonna run our

10:54

against against who you

10:56

know has been and have adhd sarah refuses

10:59

to say the legitimacy of

11:01

the likes it like

11:02

what think we're in what world

11:04

will this work for yell and been

11:06

i'm not i'm not saying as as a democrat

11:08

i'm saying this like as just a person who under

11:10

in math and not very well

11:13

yeah i mean hopefully not in this world

11:15

their job the stupidity

11:17

continues as , recall this

11:19

park as we've listened to one charlie

11:21

kirk talk a lot about how

11:24

college shot something conservatives

11:26

be positive

11:27

largely because he couldn't

11:29

get into

11:29

image but yes yes well eg

11:32

tj

11:34

the escalating this argument

11:36

to a whole new

11:37

they're doing in the democratic

11:40

party and the communists on

11:42

their side but it's a daily reminder once

11:44

again once again that

11:46

our government schools are

11:48

indoctrination centers they

11:50

were designed in my opinion at this point

11:53

simply to brainwash children

11:55

they're not there to teach you to think they're

11:57

not patriot if you're very teacher

11:59

the make an argument and how to back it up

12:02

they are there to create

12:05

the next generation of communist

12:07

marxists that so many

12:10

in our public education would

12:13

much to say

12:14

i baked goods imported eat here

12:16

is that dj

12:19

is amazing and not

12:21

on any substances and seems

12:24

totally together that's what i would say

12:26

from listening to that and i would say

12:28

that once again you

12:31

have to swap the parties

12:33

to make is even remotely

12:35

true the people who are trying to

12:38

indoctrinate people are probably

12:40

santas my ceiling is t jj

12:43

is totally fine and the way

12:46

he talks is completely healthy

12:48

and there's nothing going on i

12:50

don't think that dj tj his

12:52

baby the best he's not the poster

12:54

child for private schools private mean as

12:56

someone who grew up in this in the same area

12:59

and has and lot of overlap whatever

13:02

knows people know m c saying

13:04

public schools are bad but he's a

13:06

pretty good case of private schools

13:08

are best look i get it you're

13:11

friends with the guy and you don't you

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, that i i

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smell christmas it more a logo

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i understand seizes place

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kid and mean is that is this is even

13:23

kidding in yell at

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us i will say this were by favorite

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at this point of like people

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13:49

to to score votes and that's a very

13:52

trump be up and i guess also

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the you know our to be fair though molly's

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we are talking about your boss called

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since one square foot of skyn

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how do you get to place where you decide you

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one right the spark plug my first

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book that i well

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yeah that's why you're here yes

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and my first book same the hijacking

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of reality part of that yes i'm at the same

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the life cycle a same and i'll listen i haven't

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google my name which was a mistake as

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part of my research i discovered

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that a the autocomplete was

18:52

looks old and at the time i was

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forty forty two i'm fifty

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six now then i didn't

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think that i looked specifically old

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and oh boy there are there are results

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and there are a lot of message boards dedicated

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to this and so that sent me down

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this whole it affected me far

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more deeply and for longer than i expected

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it to and when i got to the other side

19:15

of it like why did that bother me so much

19:17

than i thought well what is is i know that reversed

19:19

myself personally but i i sort of thing about what

19:21

are the reasons that we have in society

19:23

that all of society seems to hold

19:26

this

19:26

the idea that women faces a broken after

19:28

effects so the book goes into

19:30

says based on my experiences and

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feelings about the subject in those of about twenty people

19:35

i interviewed and i put that all entities

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like micro short stories that

19:40

kind of go into you know why do we think

19:42

we've adopted

19:43

idea because i feel like once one

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stabbers why they've adopted an

19:47

idea is easier to

19:49

then let go of it because you're like oh

19:52

is that why i'm thinking more than

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i don't need to think that anymore yes and

19:56

such an interesting story

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to you then stops

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i know are feeling like you looks

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old for me mom

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in this is how i process a lot of things like

20:06

if something pushes

20:07

the buttons i have to

20:09

go right about it and see your out what

20:11

steered it dot threat what

20:13

irrational fear most the time

20:15

for time it's an irrational fear to i have

20:18

that that sort of woke up and if

20:20

i write it out say we're in say while

20:22

in felt censored because and

20:24

as i'm really honest with myself and really right

20:26

out with that irrational thought his and

20:28

was and times like oh god i

20:30

yeah i guess i really think that the downsides

20:33

by steal a look at it

20:35

then unable to go okay will

20:37

do i really think that's gonna happen but

20:39

if i don't identify and i just let

20:41

those irrational fears stay under the rug

20:43

is you will will just keep driving

20:45

my train so that's a son

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works for me oh yes with

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the face i found that it was like oh

20:51

no of people think i look old then there's

20:54

the war and as a still in the blanks for me

20:56

and is a solid land for everybody ray oh

20:59

i won't be able to get

21:01

a maid or keep this job or get

21:03

a new job or i'm afraid people won't

21:05

listen to me or whatever it is an

21:07

ice has sound for myself

21:09

i think it's true of others that that

21:12

fear that there separate

21:14

from the condition of the skin on your head

21:16

that fear is deal with that

21:19

see

21:19

the fear that you won't get him

21:21

they are your fear that you're gonna lose your job

21:23

or your fear that people don't listen to

21:25

to that separate i found that separate

21:27

from the skin on your face two different

21:29

things and i think that problem

21:31

that occurs as people though

21:34

if i change my face our change that

21:36

which is premature anorexics think

21:38

right if i can get in a nice it'll

21:40

change everything outside of me or

21:42

other people with like i know the minute i

21:44

dye my hair blond my whole world's gonna change

21:47

all get that job or i'm navy

21:49

maybe not maybe you would a gotten it anyways anyway

21:51

also say i found if i deal

21:54

with the fear itself instead of other

21:56

things that i think well

21:57

neuter the fear

21:59

there now

21:59

then i'll i'll then i was really a

22:02

made some progress cause i don't i can't

22:04

get tripped up that button won't

22:06

can't really get pushed again like

22:08

do you think that some of this was

22:10

an again we all have anxiety

22:12

said getting into the do things this is the

22:14

war by the fact that your career still

22:16

they had as an actor my

22:19

my own experience i was never

22:21

a person who and i have a mother

22:23

who was a very much a person

22:26

who she's right or but she also was

22:28

like in great beauty and so

22:30

she spent a lot of times morning

22:32

or beauties got older i never had that experience

22:35

i mean i don't like getting older because

22:37

they don't want to die by

22:38

i am had much last of my

22:41

livelihood you know rely on

22:43

my attractiveness level and i just wonder

22:46

how much that factors into

22:48

at i'm a i think that's a good point

22:51

for sure and couple the women i spoke to

22:53

for say said been top models and

22:56

their faces changing was a really confusing

22:59

portion of their lives because

23:01

they say they didn't really has a lot

23:03

of

23:04

the words an it's love

23:06

from friends and family bookstore they

23:09

hear i hear the ugly duckling story right before

23:11

they made in our oh it's kinda being

23:13

ganglion really tall

23:15

and have these unusual features you know now

23:17

you're on the cover of vogue so when

23:19

that changed for them they're

23:22

right there world in a very serious way

23:24

because everything was wrapped up and

23:26

how they left the fact that they were getting

23:28

love and appreciation from their friends and family

23:31

their livelihoods there's sort of standing

23:33

in the world everything so that's

23:35

a real yeah now realize

23:37

as messy their head sprint for

23:39

me personally i mean i either had

23:42

yeah certainly got the comments because i had

23:44

previously been in the public eye in

23:47

a big why but i mean really part of it was like

23:49

why are they even talking about me i'm not leaving

23:51

really on the radar you know but for me

23:53

it messes my head because

23:56

i didn't know what to do that because i santana

23:59

the

23:59

that i'd never deposits not i thought

24:02

that i'd always had what society

24:04

and decided was an attractive says

24:06

than know that's what i'm asking

24:09

you became seem as soon

24:11

as an actress in a world

24:14

where your appearances really valued and so

24:16

i wonder how that changes that calculus

24:18

yeah you know i had still been acting

24:21

i mean

24:21

i am an acid in years is you know

24:23

writing directing producing and you know reading

24:26

books now yeah i may have and for a while

24:28

but yeah had i still been acting it

24:30

would have definitely connecticut the time i

24:32

was even probably still

24:34

kind of in that i think what drew me so

24:37

much is it because it's need been

24:39

so matter of fact for me because it had been

24:41

so yes i they an alpha

24:43

brown hair you know this kind of one of those things

24:45

and the fact that they were saying all

24:48

these terrible things where i was like an

24:50

hour there's only one of me and a bunch of them

24:52

the my head out really messed me up

24:54

his i made them right me wrong because i thought

24:57

well they must i in and look the photos

24:59

they were posting on his message more than ours i feel

25:01

like i'll look at a year and i thought oh

25:03

my god is there something wrong with me

25:06

with my brain in i can't

25:08

see what they're seeing you know it's like the

25:11

the goal dress blue dress thing managed

25:14

i remember that and or nasa really

25:16

mess with me yeah i

25:18

mean as like a lot elements to

25:20

at that age they talk about in the in

25:23

spain and that ad in the other but i mean

25:25

you know the people would talk about you publicly

25:27

is always horrifying the

25:29

not wanting a bar if i hadn't

25:31

been a matter of fact component of mine

25:34

but because it was such a strange thing as like people

25:36

saying her here is blond her here's

25:38

blonde and me going like oh my god my

25:41

years brown am i losing

25:43

i think gaslight what's going on yeah

25:45

i also think it's interesting like there

25:47

is

25:47

the sure if thing where

25:49

this child on television

25:51

so no one slide it's almost

25:53

him you're young on t v

25:56

but people don't really know and they

25:57

they're older and then you're older

25:59

mail my is enough mean

26:02

like the people have been so used to you for such

26:04

a long time that also colors

26:06

their anxiety elect their own anxiety

26:09

about getting older somehow gets kind of

26:11

stuck on you hear anything about

26:13

that it on that

26:14

a that's nothing

26:16

in context brain i

26:18

mean i can search for story

26:21

it'll come up sometimes articles

26:23

don't even have a date on them as it's a day

26:25

you know you have to look for it in own noticed

26:28

the door and it just looks like it was written yesterday

26:31

so sure somebody can go and look at photos

26:33

of

26:34

anybody frankly pretty much

26:36

and

26:37

and then go meet them into like oh

26:39

well as a general you looking at a picture

26:41

of them ten years old right

26:43

but everything seems so right now an immediate

26:46

vs looking at a magazine nineteen

26:49

five it is in context

26:52

there's ads in there and from nineteen

26:54

eighty five their articles about other

26:56

yes a people magazine or something there's interviews

26:58

with other people who are well known at

27:00

that time and nineteen eighty five so it's

27:02

all in context but we don't

27:05

there's no context on the internet is just

27:07

all material that could

27:09

have been written yesterday could have been written

27:11

ten years ago train and the photo

27:13

the i don't know to be from

27:15

the seventeen hundreds who knows

27:18

where you can tell the difference there but

27:20

i

27:20

oh my to do with that yes to

27:23

him in line with what you just said yeah

27:25

you live in hollywood or an ally

27:27

yet so i mean i would say like i'll have

27:29

a new york and whenever i go

27:31

there and i love ally and my dad

27:33

lives are my brothers and i'm there all the time

27:35

but i was seal a culturally

27:37

it's very different level

27:40

of pressure towards women l a

27:42

they the level of pressure for everybody

27:45

raves for men too many and i'm

27:47

pressures the wrong word i think so many

27:49

people come here having been

27:52

the prettiest girl in their little town or

27:54

brain made like an ivy league college

27:57

and yeah exactly and the next on

27:59

human side well don't mine in

28:01

our this the hundred and hundreds

28:03

of

28:04

the prettiest girls know town that come here but

28:06

you think cameo because they have actually

28:08

skillset you know they'll they'll be

28:10

in good shape yeah people are always looking for

28:12

talented individuals but you interestingly

28:15

when i started getting d ends

28:18

from readers about the book

28:20

the t m's an the press attention

28:22

everything was from all different types of people

28:24

from everywhere i mean

28:27

not just

28:28

small pounds all over the place in

28:30

the us but then also from

28:33

like

28:33

russia a korea really

28:36

are lots of

28:38

the i'm from australia

28:39

new zealand all over the place

28:41

people saying oh my god all my friends

28:43

are getting botox and i really don't want to

28:45

and as the ceiling really outside

28:48

the very being and alone and then finally

28:50

somebody saw talking about the some he saw thing about

28:52

this i don't just as

28:55

it i'm supposed to get my face

28:57

the cut up or punctured or whatever or

28:59

fine with it i don't wanna do it in any

29:02

way just it seems to be yes

29:04

it's a it's very unique types

29:06

of atmospheres as

29:08

far as looks go in los angeles

29:11

or new york that one can participate

29:13

in or not but i think this general

29:15

idea that you faces broke

29:17

the needs to be fixed seems to be pretty

29:19

prevalent

29:20

however and ear the good news

29:22

is it we don't have to subscribe to

29:24

it you can just go like mess

29:27

whatever of fear this brings up and me

29:29

i can deal with that fear and i don't have

29:31

to assume that my face

29:34

a hideous say that needs

29:36

to be cut and

29:38

did any even for anyone else who anyone

29:40

whose son work on their faces like

29:42

sign like you can do is your

29:44

body and skin and hair and you can do whatever

29:46

you want to it but if there was a sphere

29:49

that generated that action it

29:51

would behoove

29:52

you to deal with that the year so

29:54

that it doesn't stick around for

29:56

the rest of your life and drive you to do

29:58

there are things and

29:59

he'll sit on saturday

30:02

no matter what you do so what one of the things

30:04

i really want to talk to ban i know we're almost at a

30:06

time bed and forty four and

30:08

i grew up in the world of slater

30:10

he knows the models said we

30:12

grew up was more like a mars and that the

30:14

whole idea of like being really sense now

30:17

we have it's you go and mean

30:19

i was just now i like a weeks now

30:21

and like this thing that you'll see a new

30:23

york buddies clearly the standard

30:25

of beauty the more and more are enormous

30:28

spots dislike me say

30:30

this is a phenomenon you can only

30:32

achieve with surgery admitted saudi been

30:34

raided sites it's not a thing that

30:36

happens and normalized and

30:38

do you think at

30:40

all about their sort of larger

30:43

whole thrall weirdness

30:45

of this

30:45

now the

30:48

standard of beauty i mean it seems to

30:50

me like a very importance ah

30:52

feminists and or maybe and

30:55

the feminist thing that's happening

30:57

now where are you know that sort

30:59

of the ideal is something that is i

31:01

a naturally occurring i mean

31:04

it's an interesting subject to the whole

31:06

beauty stands the society and how they change

31:08

it's interesting that it's

31:10

not always but primary really

31:12

upon women and not man i mean

31:14

though they're been you know plenty

31:16

of beauty standards some men that is

31:18

chains insisted over the years but that's a whole

31:20

interesting subject there's a book by i'm

31:23

nancy at cause called the survival

31:25

of the prettiest that's the

31:27

kind of interestingly delves into that she's

31:30

a a harvard professor she's become

31:32

a a good friend she's interesting

31:34

writer

31:35

yeah i mean so am

31:37

sixty am sixty i saw the

31:40

you know really slanders sleeves

31:42

flat chested model standard

31:45

in the late seventies early eighties

31:47

and then came the

31:50

box some larger ships

31:52

kind of athletic looking christie brinkley

31:55

shirt or cheryl tesla more slender than christie

31:57

brinkley it's but that whole batch

31:59

of women

31:59

in the mid eighties and then

32:02

yeah they gave way to this keep myself

32:04

and i i mean it's p i think

32:06

the moria the more you see the history

32:09

of the series of beauty the more and

32:11

you can become relaxed about

32:13

your

32:13

own because you go over the cisco's

32:16

it's in a way that it's almost like

32:18

don't throw at you bell bottoms because of probably going to come

32:20

back it's like yeah we'll be happy

32:22

with whatever you've got

32:25

because

32:26

your body style of play come

32:28

into style athena within

32:30

your life times as

32:31

it's gonna go up and down up now all over the place

32:34

and you know or your your face

32:36

year you know you don't you

32:38

think i did it to have a beauty

32:40

standards that on attainable

32:43

through any possible diet

32:45

and exercise but meal but that

32:48

has to be achieved through surgery is like

32:50

a kind of paradigm shifts that we've never had

32:52

before sir i mean i'm

32:54

sorry don't like to take you on this topic

32:56

but this is like i'm definitely gonna write about this

32:58

but it seems important it's

33:00

when i think there's a lot of things that

33:03

can occur now that hadn't been that hadn't

33:05

been possible in the past because of scenario

33:07

for ability and as availability

33:09

you and seventies i'd i'd and

33:11

dennis i don't know this exactly but

33:13

i'm going to assume that faceless are more expensive

33:15

but then they are now speed right away

33:18

or and i guess i'm saying that now

33:20

for more com and now he

33:23

adds in their seats are now they're much save

33:25

for an hour surgery as much say there

33:27

and there's a lot of other techniques that one

33:29

can do to but i'm more interested

33:31

in in what's going on

33:33

in your head does one think

33:36

well i must do this otherwise

33:38

well not be accepted by the rest of the tribesman

33:41

on add me a no real core brain

33:43

level or i must do this

33:45

or i won't work again or i must

33:47

news or no one's gonna wanna sleep

33:49

with me and hi

33:51

seal that

33:52

the real fear is those

33:54

things that

33:55

you're concerned will happen if you don't have

33:57

the surgery is those fears will now

34:00

be satisfied with the change

34:03

an unruly target as he noted

34:05

get the what you brought up you know standard

34:07

of beauty well like i mean why

34:09

did i can be sear it can be seer base

34:12

like a seer that you

34:14

we all went through this and junior high poly something

34:16

like as i don't have those he has sailors

34:18

style you know teams

34:21

like i will i won't be

34:23

part of the group the a

34:25

lot about wanting to adhere to the standard of

34:27

beauty i think if someone really thinks

34:29

about it it's rooted in of fear

34:31

is that they won't be part of and

34:34

my whole thing for myself and my wish

34:36

for others is that they're just new not be

34:38

any a sphere

34:40

involved in their in their decisions

34:43

in their choices my

34:45

my song violet that i did

34:48

came out last year with olivia munn that's

34:51

all about that you know like and how do

34:53

you get from a life that is

34:56

a the i was foundation

34:58

is fear based decisions to a life

35:00

the his foundation is instinct best decisions

35:03

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35:06

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