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traction with your P politicians. But first,

1:34

let's have some fun. Well turn. Yeah,

1:37

we're now on the other side

1:39

of Super Tuesday and. What it

1:41

basically means is that although Donald

1:43

Trump has an officially clinch the

1:45

Republican nomination, we are pretty much

1:48

in general election territory. Now, if

1:50

we weren't before, this basically anything

1:52

that's left is a formality and

1:55

Trump will probably next week passed

1:57

a number of delegates he needs.

2:00

The coins denominations and Nikki

2:02

Haley has dropped out and

2:04

Joe Biden last American Samoa

2:06

in a in a shocking

2:08

and stunning turn of events

2:11

that will forever alter American

2:13

electoral politics. Where do

2:15

we go from here? Daniel? I feel

2:17

like I'm already and house and it's

2:19

hard to figure out where else would

2:22

drill Down to luck. I will say

2:24

this about Nikki Haley I'm glad that

2:26

she decided to hang on to rule

2:29

out a Super Tuesday. I will say

2:31

that seems probably would have fared a

2:33

lot better side C O I don't

2:35

know. Realize that she was in a

2:38

primary is against Donald from from the

2:40

beginning and started acting like she started

2:42

acting at the end in the beginning

2:45

and actually going after and. Asking Republicans:

2:47

Is this the best that you can

2:49

fucking do? A man that's been indicted

2:51

for times is guilty of rape and

2:53

has ninety one felony counts against. Is

2:55

that the best that you think the

2:57

country can do? Smoke? I think that

2:59

she could have positioned herself and better.

3:02

And let me, just to be very

3:04

clear, I don't like Mana, but I

3:06

think that she could have presented a

3:08

better case and given herself a lot

3:10

more runway than she did as it

3:12

pertains is annulled Trump. It's just like,

3:14

is this the best that Republicans can

3:16

Fucking. Do. It's like the

3:18

people that they have decided

3:21

to put ah as like

3:23

Bear, Save the Earth to

3:25

America are like from the

3:27

scene where I mean just

3:30

like Donald Trump on paper.

3:32

Couldn't get a job at fucking

3:34

Walmart didn't I'm saying like smack

3:37

to insult workers at Walmart. Finish

3:39

is not supposed to be as

3:41

as elevated. As. The President of the

3:44

United States. and yet he couldn't

3:46

get a job and resale with

3:48

the record that he has but

3:50

somehow is still able to run

3:52

for president and clinch the Republican

3:54

nomination and get a fuckin' endorsement

3:56

from the Tortoise himself. on the

3:58

way out. It's just beyond

4:01

me. It's beyond me. Yeah.

4:04

You said, can the Republican Party do any better

4:06

than this? I mean, no, they can't. We know

4:08

that. Right now, he's got 1,060 delegates.

4:12

Nikki Haley has 91. She

4:14

does have a not insignificant

4:16

number of actual votes. Mm-hmm.

4:19

That's true. Look, I don't know how that

4:21

plays out when we move to a general

4:24

election. I don't know what percentage of that

4:26

vote is never Trump for real for real,

4:28

and how much of it is never

4:30

Trump until it comes down to it.

4:32

That seems to be the case a

4:35

lot of times. I mean, we even

4:37

saw this past week, Mitch McConnell endorsed

4:39

Donald Trump. There's a lot of leeway

4:41

in the word never for a lot

4:43

of never Trump people. You know, I

4:45

hope a chunk of those go to

4:47

Joe Biden or at the very least

4:49

stay home. And there was a super

4:51

PAC that was for Haley called Primary

4:53

Pivot, and it's now changed its name

4:55

to Haley Voters for Biden. Mm-hmm. So

4:58

there's that. And then, you know, we

5:00

saw Joe Biden get up and give a speech

5:02

and say that, you know, he said Donald Trump

5:04

made it clear he doesn't want Nikki Haley supporters.

5:06

I want to be clear there was a

5:08

place for them in my campaign. I'll be honest,

5:11

I saw some griping on the left about this,

5:13

which I think is incredibly misplaced because we're talking

5:15

now about full-on cutthroat electoral

5:17

politics. You take the votes where you

5:20

could get them. I don't think Biden

5:22

should move to the right to get

5:24

those votes, but I think he should

5:26

welcome them and he should

5:28

explain to them that we cannot

5:30

have an insane person like Donald Trump as

5:32

president. So we'll see what happens. But I

5:35

agree with you. I'm glad she stayed in

5:37

as long as she did. Not a big

5:39

fan of hers, but it was good that

5:41

someone stuck around and at least towards the

5:43

end was hitting Trump as a Republican. Just

5:45

one quick note before we move on to

5:48

the other fucking crazy, which is that I

5:50

think that Donald Trump openly

5:53

saying that he don't

5:56

want those Haley voters is a

5:58

huge mistake because the point

6:00

that you made, it is not an insignificant

6:02

amount of votes that she got. You know,

6:05

he wasn't beating her by 70, 80 percentage

6:07

points. That

6:09

was not the case. And so

6:12

what that should show is

6:14

that there are still some

6:16

Republican voters that are like, yeah,

6:18

we don't want him and did so

6:20

enough to turn out in a primary.

6:23

And unlike, you know, Mitch McConnell

6:25

and the rest of the fucking, you

6:27

know, Republican Rockies, I'm watching interviews on

6:29

Sky News and other places with Republicans

6:32

saying, it's too much. I voted for him

6:34

in 2016 and 2020, but now it's too much. I

6:38

watched a white man say, I wouldn't

6:40

trust Donald Trump in my house with

6:43

my wife or my daughter. So I damn sure

6:45

I'm not going to trust him in the White

6:47

House. That's what he said.

6:49

A Republican white man, 60 something

6:51

year old voter. And I would

6:54

love to believe that there may

6:56

be enough to make up the

6:58

difference. Right. That was not

7:00

huge. We're not talking about huge margins

7:03

in the states that matter that

7:05

decide the election. So yeah,

7:07

absolutely. States like Michigan, states like North

7:09

Carolina, even say Georgia, Arizona, all the

7:12

states were very familiar with now. And

7:14

every four years we become super familiar

7:16

with, you know, where again, 10, 20,000

7:18

votes could make

7:20

the difference. If enough of those people like

7:23

the guy you just described, if

7:25

they either cross over to Biden or just say, you

7:27

know, I don't like Biden much either. It's not worth

7:29

getting out of the house to do this. Who knows?

7:32

It could make a difference. So again, in complete

7:34

agreement with you that I am no

7:36

fan of Nikki Haley, particularly a lot of

7:38

the things that she did early on in

7:40

this campaign. But I, I hope

7:43

maybe she did a service by staying in

7:45

so long and at least showing Republicans who

7:47

might be on the fence that there is

7:49

a different way to go. Mm hmm. Would

7:51

you like to talk about the

7:54

real crazy that we witnessed and

7:56

super Tuesday? Because it's hard to

7:58

imagine hard to. imagine

8:00

that there is somebody worse

8:03

that the Republican Party could nominate other

8:06

than Donald Trump. But

8:08

my God, yeah, this

8:10

is a guy this Mark Robinson, who first

8:12

came on the radar for people outside of

8:14

North Carolina anyway, for a bunch of things

8:17

he said he's been the lieutenant governor there.

8:19

And he's now the Republican nominee for governor.

8:21

The list of insane things that he has

8:24

said is Legion anywhere from

8:26

saying that gay people are

8:28

maggots, that they are the

8:30

equivalent of what cows leave

8:32

behind, that COVID was a

8:34

globalist conspiracy to destroy Donald

8:37

Trump. He said,

8:39

I'm looking at a Guardian article

8:41

right now, because you could read 30 articles

8:43

on this guy and just find different examples of crazy

8:46

shit. He said he referred to

8:48

the movie Black Panther, we're talking about

8:50

a Marvel Cinematic Universe movie or superhero

8:52

movie. He said it was quote

8:54

created by an agnostic Jew and put

8:56

to film by a satanic Marxist and

8:58

was only created to pull

9:00

the shekels out of your schwarza

9:03

pockets, schwarza being a Yiddish derogatory

9:05

term for black people. You know,

9:07

he has quoted Hitler approvingly. I

9:09

mean, this guy is the real

9:11

deal in terms of just batshit.

9:14

And this is now the Republican choice

9:16

to be on the ballot for the

9:18

governorship of the state of North Carolina.

9:20

Like, I will say this, and everyone hold

9:22

on to your house. I didn't think that

9:25

it was ever going to be possible. But

9:27

I miss Herschel Walker. I don't

9:31

understand. Where do

9:33

they go to find black people like this?

9:35

I don't know. I don't know.

9:39

But like when they pulled out

9:41

Herschel Walker in Georgia, I said,

9:43

huh, okay. And then go

9:45

find this piece of shit

9:47

in North Carolina. The man

9:50

is on camera saying that women

9:52

shouldn't be allowed to vote. He

9:55

said only white men's vote that you're

9:57

trying to court. But I you know, here's What

9:59

I say to the people. the

10:01

North Carolina Ball. He won't be

10:03

enough to just like beat this

10:06

man by like a percentage or

10:08

two points. Like you all need

10:10

to show the fuck out because

10:13

this is absolutely insane. Like he

10:15

is a bigot, He is a

10:17

homophobe, a trans folk, He is

10:19

an anti semite, He is a

10:22

Massage units t is someone who

10:24

should not be trusted with any

10:26

type of power what so fucking

10:28

ever and all. He is is

10:31

probably well funded like Clarence Thomas

10:33

and arrested the black man. That's

10:35

a fine to be able to

10:37

shuck and jive and smile behind

10:39

Donald Trump the same it so

10:41

North Carolina, please stand all the

10:43

way up. Yeah, I want to

10:45

talk. About that women saying because what

10:47

he said was very weird and where he

10:50

said it was pretty weird In twenty twenty

10:52

while he was running for lieutenant governor he

10:54

said he would definitely return to the days

10:56

in America where women couldn't vote and then

10:59

the reason he gave was he said quotes.

11:01

Because. In those days we have people who

11:03

fought for real social change in they were

11:05

called republicans. So. I don't really know

11:07

what that means out. maybe give him

11:09

the benefit of the doubt and he's

11:12

not saying that he believes women shouldn't

11:14

vote but that is given the choice

11:16

he would return to those days because

11:18

it meant to other thing he said

11:20

which again I don't understand. He also

11:22

went on to say that Republicans and

11:24

to Jim Crow which will come is

11:26

a huge surprise to the descendants of

11:28

Lyndon Johnson I would think and he

11:30

said this whole bizarre thing about going

11:32

back to the days when we couldn't

11:34

vote. He said this are at. An

11:36

event hosted by the Republican Women of

11:39

Tommy North Tower. So. I

11:41

don't know what's don't even know what to

11:43

make it is it's like read the room

11:45

is an overused express in days but body.

11:48

I mean, but did they applaud. Apparently

11:50

not. Apparently they were pretty quiet about

11:52

it and did not applaud. On the

11:54

other hand, he got elected governor, so

11:56

what's out? There is no bottom for

11:58

them, but this may. I

12:00

mean again personal walker of looks

12:03

like a great pair in comparison

12:05

to this guy which is a

12:07

while thing to say but I

12:09

don't know friends but when somebody

12:11

is out white telling you that

12:14

they don't want women to vote,

12:16

that any marginalized group is vermin.

12:18

Or Excrement board. That. You want

12:20

to take him a are fifteen and be

12:22

able to shoot your opponent's seats. The United

12:25

Nations of Red Flags. Did on

12:27

I'm saying. So pay attention

12:29

while we have more robinson

12:31

to kick around and hopefully

12:33

we won't come November. Someone

12:35

we will not have around

12:37

to kid around anymore is

12:39

your favorite Senator Daniel. Houston

12:42

Cinema. Yeah

12:44

see announced that she is retiring

12:46

of as You Will Not run

12:48

for reelection in what would have

12:51

been a three person race because

12:53

remember that cinema left the democratic

12:56

party's and Rubin day ago is

12:58

t democratic nominee there and the

13:00

most I counted carry Lake is

13:03

the republican nominee Endymion. Multi talented

13:05

because she comes axiom. He and

13:07

vastly at a podium Adnan a

13:10

while using a very soft filter.

13:14

Pearson cinemas retirement. Even though she was

13:16

only senator for one term, it is

13:18

very clear that it's unfortunate because it

13:20

was one term too many. Yes,

13:24

it was. My understanding is that she's

13:26

retiring to spend more time with her

13:28

lobbyists. I don't have enough bad things

13:30

to say about your and Cinema. This

13:32

is a woman who started out as

13:34

sort of a left wing you know,

13:36

social activists. And you know was

13:38

very into issues like the environment than and

13:40

things like that. As and then she got

13:42

elected to the senate and then something clicked

13:44

in her head and she said i don't

13:47

want to be that person anymore. Oh it

13:49

didn't click and ahead and see it puts in.

13:51

our pockets or that's an excellent point

13:53

yes someone put on her venmo and

13:56

suddenly she was is sort of joe

13:58

manchin asked center right, I guess, would

14:00

be the nicest way to say it.

14:03

You know, she'll always be remembered for

14:05

doing a little curtsy as she gave

14:07

a thumbs down to raising the federal

14:10

minimum wage. And she

14:12

will probably be remembered by the voters

14:14

of Arizona for them never seeing her

14:16

because she very rarely met with constituents

14:18

but had plenty of time for lobbyists

14:20

and people of that nature. Wine tastings.

14:22

Yes, and wine tastings. I forgot about

14:24

the wine tastings. And she had the

14:27

gall to get up there and give

14:29

her a little retirement speech. And this is

14:31

what she said. She said, because

14:34

I choose civility, understanding, listening, working

14:36

together to get stuff done, I

14:38

will leave the Senate at the

14:40

end of this year. Pick whatever

14:43

word you want, the gall, the

14:45

chutzpah, the nerve. None

14:47

of those words seem strong enough, to

14:49

be quite honest. And we're talking about

14:52

her in this section. So she is

14:54

not either of our fuck that guy

14:56

for today. But that's an all time

14:58

statement for someone. And I think she

15:00

needs to be put on the fuck that guy wall

15:03

of shame for that. I mean, but

15:05

will her peplum sleeves? First

15:08

of all, the video that she did,

15:10

somebody said it so accurately on social

15:12

where they're just like, this could have

15:14

been an email. No one needed

15:17

her video with her like

15:19

condescending tone about civility and

15:21

about these things. It's just

15:23

like, I can't wait to

15:26

see her on Fox, because

15:28

I'm certain that that's where

15:30

she's going or on some

15:32

oil persons like board of

15:34

directors. But she got into

15:36

the Senate and realized that there was

15:38

money to be made. And that's what

15:41

she decided. Because I remember when she

15:43

first came on to the political scene

15:45

on Bisexual, I live in

15:47

Arizona, like all of these things. And

15:49

I was just like, Oh, wow, look

15:51

at this. Like she's progressive. And like

15:54

look at the state of Arizona putting

15:56

this this woman forward. And Then it

15:58

was like she did a complete. Total

16:00

one early. So I feel like why?

16:02

And you're not leaving because of civility.

16:05

You're leaving to do not have a

16:07

constituency. You're leaving because you sold out.

16:09

The very people who elected you like

16:11

you got reelected am undecided. You know

16:14

you were elected as a democrat and

16:16

then decided to do it to step

16:18

in like change parties And I'm telling

16:21

you, we've seen this happen before and

16:23

I honestly think that there should be

16:25

a rule that you can not do

16:27

that because it is. It is fraudulent.

16:30

It is thought you once campaign

16:32

on the one set of beliefs

16:35

and one set of ideology and

16:37

then turn around. Get a Latina.

16:39

Be like just kidding, I'm a

16:41

Republican party. What? I'm very happy

16:43

that see recognize that she had

16:46

no path forward and that this

16:48

will be a two person breeze.

16:50

But like Sieges she did that

16:52

state herself. A complete and total

16:54

disservice about. like you know, maybe

16:57

hi Manson. Team up and go

16:59

someplace I'm. Hoping it's overseas because

17:01

I don't ever want to see

17:03

either one of them again. The

17:06

way that the two of them

17:08

were just said: blockade for climate

17:10

for minimum wage For all of

17:12

the things that democrats. Supposedly

17:14

stand for. These two were

17:16

able to get those things in the

17:19

water me or persona non grata to

17:21

me by don't let the Door hit

17:23

you don't wanna hear from you I

17:25

hope you enjoy. Your mansions and your

17:27

Montserrat is yeah, maybe they can go on

17:30

my big brother Uk or something like that.

17:32

Just go to England and be on one

17:34

of those shows and we must alone on

17:36

have actually starting to wonder if the people

17:38

of Arizona kind of prompt us and they

17:40

just wanted her on the other side of

17:43

the country. So that's why me made me

17:45

some lesser thanks Arizona. I mean she was

17:47

in third place in a three person race

17:49

as the incumbent that is never good sign.

17:51

Also, I misspoke little early when I said

17:54

to carry linked with the Republican nominee not

17:56

yet but. i mean she has issues

17:58

we'd over again mark lambs So I

18:00

don't think that's gonna be an issue, but

18:02

I just wanted to correct that. Don't even

18:05

get me started on the performative, the

18:07

outfits and the glasses. And I think

18:09

maybe we've talked about this before, I can't remember,

18:11

but like I'm all for people expressing themselves and

18:13

you know, dress the way you want and all

18:16

that. I never got the sense with her that

18:18

that's what it was. I got the sense with

18:20

her that it was much more, look at me,

18:22

look at me, yeah, it was completely performative. It

18:25

was stolen Riz as far as I'm

18:27

concerned. And she

18:29

can't go far enough away. Stolen Riz, is

18:31

that a higher or lower offense than

18:33

stolen Valor? I think it's a little

18:35

bit lower, but I'm not positive. I

18:37

need to draw a chart. I

18:40

need to draw a chart. It'll be in the show notes

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I am so happy to welcome

21:46

back to the new abnormal my

21:48

friend Glenn Kirchner, you know him

21:51

as the host of justice matters

21:53

as an MSNBC legal analyst and

21:55

he has been inside multiple courtrooms

21:57

alongside Donald Trump to figure out

22:00

Now, what is happening with these

22:02

foreign indictments and 91 charges

22:05

that we are seeing against him? We

22:07

just saw Glenn, I believe it was

22:09

this week, but I don't know where

22:11

time is going. Alan Weisselberg,

22:14

let's start there. Alan Weisselberg,

22:16

former CFO of the Trump

22:18

Organization, who had already served

22:21

time in Rikers for his

22:23

involvement in the fraudulent schemes

22:25

that the Trump Organization has

22:28

now been found liable for

22:30

their mishandling their lives and

22:32

their scheming to inflate the values

22:34

of their businesses in order to

22:36

recoup bigger loans from banks. They

22:39

say, oh, it's no fault because

22:41

the banks say, yeah, we got

22:43

our money, so we're good. But

22:46

Judge Angoran said, yeah, no, you now

22:48

owe hundreds of millions of dollars and

22:51

hundreds of millions of dollars in interest.

22:53

This is the only good news that

22:55

we have so far, Glenn, but then

22:57

Donald Trump's lawyers came out right after

23:00

and said, but he's broke and said that they

23:02

could give $100 million, but

23:04

that's all. So is he a

23:07

multi-billionaire or is he broke? Is

23:09

this going to be the thing

23:11

that brings him down in the

23:13

way that tax evasion brought down

23:15

other mobsters or not? What's your

23:17

read on this financial bind that

23:19

Trump has himself in? Yeah,

23:22

Danielle, you're right. There's not a lot

23:24

of good news on the criminal cases

23:26

front. There's a little bit of good

23:28

news on the civil cases front. I'm

23:30

always looking for that silver lining that

23:32

is lurking behind the big dark orange

23:34

cloud that is Donald Trump. And

23:36

I think we can find some good

23:39

news on the civil case front because,

23:41

you know, his lawyers like Elena Haber

23:43

in one breath are telling everyone and

23:46

the courts he's worth $14 billion. In

23:50

the next breath, she's saying, please, please

23:52

judge. Don't make him put

23:55

up the full amount that

23:57

has been awarded against him

23:59

because He really doesn't have it

24:01

and he would really like to file

24:03

an appeal, but you can't perfect your

24:05

appeal unless you put up the full

24:07

amount of the judgment or you get

24:09

some knucklehead to file a bond on

24:11

your behalf, some insurer to say Donald

24:13

Trump's good for it. If he loses

24:16

the appeal, he'll pay out the full

24:18

half a billion. They can't find anybody

24:20

to do that. I mean, who would

24:22

do that? So the good news is

24:24

on the civil front, it looks like

24:26

we are very close to the end

24:28

game for Donald Trump where Tish

24:30

James and Eugene

24:33

Carroll and her lawyers will be

24:35

able to begin seizing his

24:37

assets. We are very close to that

24:39

right now because first of all, he

24:41

put up $5 million in the first

24:44

Eugene Carroll case because that's what was

24:46

awarded. He couldn't even put up a

24:48

bond for that. It looks like he

24:51

couldn't get anybody to issue a bond

24:53

and guarantee that he would pay out

24:55

on even the $5 million. I'm inferring

24:57

that because he took $5 million of

24:59

his own money where it could have

25:01

been out there earning interest or being invested and

25:03

he gave it to the court, actually 5.5 with

25:06

interest and the court is holding it in an escrow

25:08

account. Next, 83.3

25:10

million and that doesn't account for interest.

25:12

You know what Elena Haber and his

25:14

lawyers are doing going into the court

25:17

and asking Judge Kaplan, please, please let

25:19

him put up a bond for 24

25:21

million. The

25:23

answer is no. This is not

25:26

a flea market at which you

25:28

faggle over the price of your

25:30

appeal. No. So he

25:32

can't make that full bond and

25:34

then half a billion dollars in

25:37

the New York fraud trial and

25:40

they're asking their begging Judge Angoraan because

25:42

they've been so polite and civil to

25:45

Judge Angoraan all along, right? They're asking

25:47

Angoraan to do him a solid, do him

25:49

a favor. You know, don't you all have

25:52

a fraud forgiveness program, Judge? Come on now.

25:55

They're asking to put up just a

25:57

hundred million dollar bond, not even that

25:59

amount. amount in cash and yet he's

26:01

got to put up more than half

26:04

a billion dollars if he wants to

26:06

appeal that case. So listen, he's about

26:08

to hit a financial brick wall and

26:10

he's going to hit it hard, I

26:12

predict. And then the next move is

26:14

for E.G. Carroll and Tish James to

26:16

begin seizing his assets to try to

26:19

satisfy these money judgments. That's a

26:21

little bit of good news. So I mean that

26:23

is because I think that at the end

26:26

of the day, so basically his attorneys, to

26:28

your point, were saying he's worth $14 billion.

26:32

So if he was worth $14 billion,

26:34

then one would assume he puts up

26:37

what he owes, he would still be

26:39

worth $13.5 billion, still making him a

26:41

multi-billionaire. And

26:45

because I don't know if you've seen them,

26:47

Glenn, but he has these hot sneakers on

26:49

the market. So, you

26:51

know, that's got to account for something.

26:53

They're selling like hotcakes. They're

26:55

already discounted. So I'm wondering,

26:58

is this the thing that

27:00

if Donald Trump's buildings are

27:03

seized and now we

27:05

know what the actual evaluation is

27:07

for these billions, there isn't a

27:09

billion that is worth half a

27:11

billion dollars? No, you know why?

27:13

Because if he had just one property,

27:16

one of his third rate resorts

27:18

or third rate golf courses, just

27:20

one that was actually worth the

27:23

billion dollars, he would have bondsmen

27:25

and insurers beating down his door.

27:27

Why? Because all he would

27:29

have to say is I am pledging to you

27:31

as collateral my $1

27:33

billion property and

27:35

I'm going to give it to you to secure a half

27:38

a billion dollar bond so

27:40

that I can pursue my

27:42

appeal and if I

27:44

lose, you know, you get all

27:47

of your money back and then some because

27:49

you have to pay these people a fee

27:51

to actually go out on a limb and

27:53

guarantee you a bond and

27:56

it would all be there for the taking. So

27:58

no worries, but he doesn't have it. I

28:00

don't believe a property worth a

28:02

billion dollars or half a billion dollars because

28:04

then he could easily get a bond But

28:06

he can't get a bond That's why his

28:08

attorneys keep going over and over again at

28:11

in hand to these judges saying please Reduce

28:14

the amount that he has to put up so

28:16

he can appeal these cases So

28:18

what's the time frame that we're working

28:20

on before we see Donald Trump panhandling

28:22

in the subway? I

28:25

think this week his time is up

28:27

on the 83 million dollar E.G.

28:30

Okay to so we're gonna

28:32

know within days whether E.G.

28:35

Carol's lawyers will begin the process of trying

28:37

to seize assets I think he has about

28:40

another two weeks in the big one the

28:42

half a billion dollar, New York fraud case

28:44

So all of this is about to

28:46

come to a head and as I say he's gonna

28:48

hit a financial brick wall And

28:51

I don't know whether that impacts him

28:53

moving forward in all of his many

28:55

Criminal cases that he has pending against

28:57

him, but it can't help if you're

28:59

going down the drain financially You're not gonna

29:01

have money to pay your lawyers You know We

29:03

have felt like it's the beginning of the end

29:05

for Donald Trump for a very long time and

29:08

somehow He keeps wiggling out

29:10

of accountability. The question is does he

29:12

run out of rope or He

29:14

managed to stave off all of the

29:17

consequences Until November and then

29:19

if horrifically he gets elected president again

29:21

He makes it all go away and

29:23

he will have considerable power and ability

29:25

to make it all go away What

29:28

gets me Glenn about the financial

29:30

cases about these civil cases is?

29:33

That I believe that Donald and you

29:36

tell me but I believe that Donald

29:38

Trump is more dangerous now Than

29:41

he was when we started talking

29:43

years ago When he

29:45

swore his hand on the Bible

29:47

in 2017 and started his first

29:49

term as president I think that

29:51

the financial bind these two cases

29:53

have put him in Makes

29:56

him more dangerous and more of

29:58

a target of who are

30:00

supposedly our foreign adversaries,

30:03

but would very easily

30:05

become Donald Trump's cronies

30:07

if the Saudis or Putin or Orban

30:10

were to say, you know what, we

30:12

got you. You know, we'll put up

30:14

the bond. We'll put up, you know,

30:16

whatever it is. You do

30:18

us a favor, though. He's even

30:21

more, potentially even more

30:23

financially compromised and a

30:25

cornered rat is going to attack. It's

30:28

going to try to chew their way

30:30

through everything. The reason I think and

30:32

I think the financial leverage that people

30:34

could use against him is considerable. I

30:36

also feel like the reason he will be

30:38

more dangerous in a second term, God forbid,

30:41

is because at least in the first term,

30:43

his instincts were just as bad and just

30:45

as cruddy and just as evil. But

30:48

he made the fatal mistake of

30:50

surrounding himself with at least some

30:52

people who cared about what happened

30:54

to American democracy like Jim Mattis

30:57

and Kelly, one of his many

31:00

chiefs of staff. And those people really

31:02

did try to control him and keep him

31:04

from doing as much damage as I think

31:06

his inclination was to do to the

31:08

United States and to our democracy. Gone

31:10

are the days when he has a

31:12

single, legitimate, democracy-loving cabinet member.

31:15

For all we know, he'll put

31:17

Stephen Miller in as the attorney

31:19

general because Donald Trump has said,

31:21

among other things, I'll be

31:23

a dictator on day one. Well, you

31:25

know what? No dictator on day one

31:27

ever voluntarily relinquishes dictatorial power on day

31:30

two. They don't do it, right? And

31:32

he has already said, I'll use the

31:34

Department of Justice to go after my

31:36

enemies. I mean, this will be an

31:38

unhinged and unchecked Donald Trump in a

31:40

second term. And I do. I

31:42

mean, it's not hyperbole to say the

31:45

man has announced that he will virtually

31:47

end our democracy. He'll terminate portions of

31:49

the Constitution. He is an aspiring

31:51

dictator. You know, take him in his word. He

31:53

will do these things. And

31:56

then it's a question of how do you

31:58

defeat a dictator? Well, unfortunately, the only

32:00

way you can defeat a dictator is with

32:02

a revolution. Oh dear. Let's switch

32:05

gears to the criminal cases. The last

32:07

time we spoke, I had high hopes.

32:09

Glenn, I had high hopes that while

32:12

the calendar was not working with us,

32:14

I had hopes of it being able to

32:16

move through. The Supreme Court, however, had other

32:19

plans. They have decided to

32:21

take up the immunity case that Jack

32:24

Smith had wanted them to deal with

32:26

months ago and brought it directly to

32:28

the Supreme Court to say, just handle

32:30

this once and for all so that

32:33

we can move forward. And they

32:35

said, nah, we'll wait for it to go up

32:37

through the lower courts. Goes up

32:39

through the lower courts. They issue

32:41

their opinion. You are not immune.

32:43

The Supreme Court then had an

32:45

opportunity to say, we let the

32:47

lower court's decision stand. We're not

32:49

interfering. Move forward. Now, because they

32:51

are not to be trusted, and

32:53

those are my words and not

32:55

yours, the Supreme Court is not

32:57

to be trusted, has decided now,

32:59

oh, we'll take up the case.

33:02

And we'll take it up in April. We'll start hearing

33:04

arguments. This is putting the

33:06

immunity case in the center

33:08

of the election without the

33:10

ability of Jack Smith to

33:12

be able to move forward

33:14

on his timeline and the

33:16

judge's timeline. Talk to me

33:18

about this corrupt, bought and

33:20

sold, grifting Supreme Court. Yeah, your

33:23

words are the Supreme Court is not

33:25

to be trusted. My words are the

33:27

Supreme Court is not to be trusted.

33:29

They're not honest brokers of the

33:31

law. First of all,

33:33

you're absolutely right. They should not

33:36

have taken this case for review.

33:38

There's no federal law. There's no

33:40

statute on the books that says

33:42

a president is immune from prosecution

33:44

for the crimes he commits against

33:46

the American people while in office.

33:49

There's no precedent. There is no

33:51

appellate court opinion that stands for

33:53

that proposition. And there's no constitutional

33:55

provision that stands for that proposition.

33:58

The Supreme Court should not. have

34:00

taken this case for review. But if they

34:02

were going to, because they're the

34:05

big dogs and they want to, you

34:07

know, put their stamp on whatever it

34:09

is that will live in the law

34:11

books moving forward, they didn't want the

34:13

lower appellate court to have that, you

34:15

know, honor and that privilege, they wanted

34:17

to be the big dogs and announce

34:19

an opinion, what they should have done

34:21

was done this months ago, because they

34:23

could have and they should have in

34:25

the event they knew they were going

34:27

to exercise jurisdiction over this and accept

34:29

it for review, but they didn't. Then

34:32

when they did a few weeks ago,

34:34

they could have set a two week briefing

34:36

and argument schedule. And it could be resolved

34:38

like right now, but they didn't. They said,

34:40

you know what, we'll put it on the

34:42

calendar for the week of the 22nd

34:44

of April. And just yesterday, I think they said,

34:47

you know what, we don't want to rush it.

34:49

We're going to put it even later in the

34:51

week. We're going to hear arguments on the 25th

34:53

of April, right at the dead end of this

34:55

Supreme Court's term. Right? So then do they decide

34:57

it on the last day of the term, June

34:59

30th, maybe they don't have to they could carry

35:02

it over to the next term if they really

35:04

wanted to screw democracy. And it appears

35:06

that they're entirely willing to screw democracy.

35:08

So if they do this, let's play

35:10

this out. If they decide the

35:12

case on the last day of the term, June 30, let's

35:15

hope that they say a president is not king,

35:18

a president can't kill or order SEAL

35:20

Team Six to kill his political opponent

35:22

with impunity and immunity against prosecution. And

35:24

so they say no, no absolute immunity

35:26

for Donald Trump. And they hand the

35:28

case back to Judge Tanya Chutkin and

35:30

direct her to put it back on

35:32

the trial track. Now, she

35:35

has already pledged that she would give them 88 days,

35:38

let's say three months from the time she

35:40

gets the case back until the time it

35:42

goes to trial, because there were about three

35:44

months between the time it was paused originally

35:46

and the March for trial date, she could

35:49

cut that down. That's not precedent. That's not

35:51

law. It wouldn't be wrong or improper for

35:53

her to cut that timeframe down. But basically,

35:55

as you say, he's going to be in

35:58

trial, you know, for trying to criminal. ultimately

36:00

overturn the results of a presidential election

36:02

while people are going to the polls.

36:04

Yeah. Remember, that seems unwise

36:06

in the extreme. We should have finished

36:09

this up well in advance of the

36:11

election. But I have even worse news

36:13

than all of that, if you can

36:15

imagine. Please. Judge Tannen

36:17

down in Florida on

36:20

Donald Trump's illegally retaining

36:22

classified information, obstructing justice

36:24

and violating our nation's

36:26

espionage laws. She's

36:28

still playing with this case and has not

36:30

yet set a trial date. Here's

36:33

what she's going to do. I'll bet a buck. That's

36:35

my betting limit. I'm not a high roller. I'm not

36:37

a gambling man. I'll put the full buck on this.

36:40

She told Jack Smith last week, July

36:42

8th, which Jack Smith was requesting as

36:44

a trial date. No, that sounds unrealistic.

36:47

She's going to set a trial date

36:49

right around September 1st, give or take.

36:51

That's not going to be a legitimate

36:53

trial date. You know what it's going

36:56

to be? It's going to be a

36:58

trial date blocker. So that if that

37:00

is on the books in Florida for

37:02

September 1st, if Judge Chutkin

37:04

gets her case back on June

37:06

30th, she's going to say, set

37:09

a trial date now until after

37:11

that trial is complete. And then

37:13

September 1st is going to approach

37:15

the sham Florida trial date. Donald

37:17

Trump's attorneys will waltz in and

37:20

say, judge, we just got a

37:22

late disclosure from the prosecutors. They'll

37:24

make some excuse up. Now you

37:27

have to continue the September 1st trial

37:29

date until after the election.

37:31

And I predict Judge Cannon will be

37:33

receptive to that argument. Now

37:35

we have no federal trials,

37:38

even starting November. That's

37:41

the nightmare scenario I see

37:43

on the horizon. Our

37:45

only hope is Alfen Bragg's criminal

37:47

case in New York, in

37:50

Manhattan, which is scheduled to kick off

37:52

on March 25th. And it

37:54

looks like a hard trial date. Judge

37:56

Michonne is not messing around when Donald

37:59

Trump's lawyers. literally started

38:01

sounding like they were drafting

38:03

a post for Donald Trump to put up in

38:05

court. The lawyers are like, judge, this

38:07

should never happen in this country. This is,

38:10

judge said, uh, uh, uh, legal

38:12

argument. I will see you on March

38:14

25th for jury selection. It

38:16

looks like judge Marchand is going to force

38:19

them to go to trial based

38:21

on the evidence, including an audio

38:23

recording of Donald Trump and Michael

38:25

Cohen conspiring to commit the crimes.

38:27

He's going to be convicted. And

38:29

then the question will be what

38:31

does judge Marchand do? Does he

38:33

have it in him to order

38:35

him into incarceration, which is what

38:38

would happen to pretty much anybody

38:40

else whose name wasn't Donald Trump

38:42

or not. So at this

38:44

point, that seems like our best hope

38:46

to get Donald Trump convicted, held accountable

38:48

for some of his crimes before the

38:51

November election. Absolutely obscene. We will

38:53

have to leave it there today, Glenn.

38:56

But my God, I hope

38:58

that when we speak again,

39:00

that there is some movement

39:02

towards justice because right now

39:05

I am so disgusted that I'm

39:07

just, I pray that Donald Trump

39:09

was worth maybe $600 million.

39:13

And this decision by Ingore

39:15

and others, and maybe that

39:18

will be

39:21

the beginning of the end.

39:23

But as always, my friends, thank you

39:25

so much for your analysis and making

39:27

time for the new abnormal. I appreciate

39:29

you. Great talking with you, Daniel. Have

39:32

you heard of the Nexus Mountain Network?

39:35

What about the Seven Mountains mandate? Well,

39:38

maybe you have, but I hadn't until

39:40

now when I read about them in

39:42

an article published at the daily dot

39:45

com. Here to explain what the hell

39:47

these things are and why we should

39:49

very much care is the author of

39:52

that piece. Texas Observer's special investigative correspondent

39:54

and publisher of the nonprofit literary publication,

39:56

Protean Magazine, Steve Monticelli. Steve, thanks

39:58

so much for being here. Great to

40:00

be here. here, Andy? I guess first

40:02

we need to know what the Seven

40:04

Mountains Mandate is. So please tell us.

40:07

So the Seven Mountains Mandate is effectively

40:11

an ideological concept that can

40:13

be drawn back to the

40:15

mid-1970s when a group of evangelical pastors

40:20

came up with this idea called

40:22

the Seven Spheres, which effectively is

40:24

a breakdown of

40:26

all of the different aspects of

40:28

society that matter to these

40:31

particular pastors. So things like

40:33

government, media, business, family, education.

40:35

Each mountain, which is how

40:37

they describe them in the

40:40

modern context, is meant to

40:42

be dominated by Christians. The

40:44

term Seven Mountains Mandate was

40:46

first really pushed forth by

40:48

this particular pastor who's based

40:51

in Keller, Texas named Lance

40:53

Walnau. And he put out

40:55

a book in 2013 called

40:57

Invading Babylon,

41:00

The Seven Mountain Mandate. Critical scholars

41:02

have described it as a program

41:05

for Christian supremacy.

41:07

And it has been connected and

41:09

linked to a number of high-ranking

41:11

officials who have espoused support for

41:14

the notion. Okay. So what is

41:16

then the other thing I mentioned,

41:18

the Nexus Mountain Network. So the

41:21

Nexus Mountain Network is a project

41:23

of this 501c3 called

41:26

Nexus Mountain Mission, which their tax

41:28

filings remain hidden Thanks to a

41:31

church exemption. It is effectively based around

41:33

the notion of the Seven Mountains Mandate.

41:35

They list the Seven Mountains in their

41:37

mission. They specifically describe the purpose is

41:40

to bring people together with the common

41:42

goal of achieving God's purpose. Within the

41:44

Seven Mountains of Influence. So, it's a

41:46

social media platform for a particular subset

41:49

of what I think could be fairly

41:51

described as Christian nationalists, many of whom

41:53

seek to either break down the separation

41:56

of church and state or to rise

41:58

to the. The tarp

42:00

load of the mountain and install

42:02

policies that reflect their Christian values.

42:05

Their particular Christian values I should

42:07

write. So basically the Nexus Mountain

42:09

Network combines the two worst things

42:11

in the world: religious supremacy and

42:13

the Internet. That's one way to

42:15

put it and assists and consequences

42:17

of this ideology or tough to

42:20

exaggerate. I'm sure many of your

42:22

listeners this as heard about the

42:24

Alabama Supreme Court decision that effectively

42:26

put an end to in vitro

42:28

fertilization. One of those judges. Who

42:30

helped make that decision? Tom Parker

42:33

is found to have a spouse

42:35

support for the Seven Mountains mandate

42:37

as or has the Speaker of

42:39

the House, Mike Johnson says pop

42:42

may be relatively small, but it

42:44

represents an ideology that has reached

42:46

some pretty high offices. As you

42:48

note, in your peace, there are

42:51

a bunch of of candidates running

42:53

as Republicans who have recently one

42:55

primaries who are sort of under

42:57

the rubric of this nexus Mountain.

43:00

Or network that's correct. Of the now,

43:02

I think four thousand something members of

43:04

this network, I found thirteen of them

43:06

were either actively running or had run

43:09

for office in the past. Two of

43:11

those are congressional candidates in North Carolina

43:13

who have on their primaries. One of

43:15

them is named Pat Harrison is a

43:18

Us Army veteran in a C O

43:20

Done distribution company and I He's drawn

43:22

some pretty big donors and an endorsement

43:24

from the Koch Brothers network. He previously

43:26

run in or Twenty Twenty Two, But

43:29

now as finally. clinched the nominations

43:31

and so he will be on

43:33

the general ballot in november i

43:35

did get in touch with his

43:37

campaign and his wife confirmed that

43:39

she had treated his account i

43:41

think either see or someone on

43:43

the campaign and promptly blocks me

43:45

after offering an interview so i

43:47

was never able to schedule that

43:49

interview with them much he did

43:51

also confirmed that she's personal friends

43:53

with the wife of the founder

43:55

of nexus mountain network chat holly

43:57

jolly as posted also on the

43:59

nexus mountain network and and was

44:01

interviewed on a religious political show

44:04

called Flashpoint, which is a product

44:06

of Kenneth Copeland Ministries, which is

44:08

the ministry of the wealthiest pastor

44:10

in America near Fort Worth, Texas.

44:12

And Hawley effectively said he had heard

44:15

from several politicians who had gotten a

44:17

comment request from me and viewed it

44:19

as an attempt to create a smear

44:21

campaign around the Nexus Mountain Network and

44:24

what they're trying to do. But he

44:26

also acknowledged that there are many politicians

44:29

who have accounts on the network

44:31

and in a way have, at the

44:33

very least, identified government as their primary

44:36

mountain that they seek to conquer. Talk

44:38

a little more about Chad Hawley. What's

44:40

his background? How did he come to

44:42

be the head of this network? Chad

44:45

Hawley is a former pharmaceutical industry

44:47

executive who I believe he had

44:50

some health issues that he describes

44:52

as a part of the journey

44:54

that led him to receiving a

44:57

message from God that he should

44:59

create the Nexus Mountain Network.

45:01

He is effectively a mentee

45:03

of Lance Wallnau, who is

45:06

the main proponent of the

45:08

Seven Mountains mandate

45:10

or the Seven Mountains theology.

45:13

They have spoken at conferences

45:15

together, one in particular being

45:17

the Morningstar Conference, where a

45:19

lot of luminaries in this movement

45:21

that has been described as the New

45:24

Apostolic Reformation participated in. Without going down

45:26

that rabbit hole, basically, the Seven Mountains

45:28

mandate came out of this network

45:30

of self-appointed apostles and

45:33

prophets, which make up

45:35

what is called the New Apostolic Reformation.

45:40

Things that characterize that movement are things

45:42

like the belief in the power of

45:44

the Holy Spirit to perform miracles such

45:46

as healing. The Seven Mountains mandate in

45:48

particular, or the necessity to conduct spiritual

45:51

warfare in order to bring about Christian

45:53

dominion over all aspects of society. As

45:56

far as I understand, Mr. Hawley, who did not

45:58

respond to my Work. Comment As

46:01

you know, a bit of a

46:03

history in this particular sort of

46:05

sect of Christian nationalism and is

46:08

closely linked to some of the.

46:10

Biggest. Luminaries of that movement. So talk

46:13

about the influence that the Seven Mountains

46:15

which I guess is also known as

46:17

as Seven Am Yes prefer the influence

46:19

of they've had on school boards in

46:21

that they're seeking Dallas Cowboys to. This

46:24

seems important. So a one of the

46:26

elected officials that I found on the

46:28

Nexus Mount Network is a school board

46:30

member in Charleston County in South Carolina,

46:32

and one of the things that she's

46:35

tried to push for is requiring prayer

46:37

before the beginning of each board meeting

46:39

as she tried to. Ban a local

46:41

pastor and activist from attending board meetings

46:43

after they made an outspoken the critical

46:46

post about Mom's for Liberty and the

46:48

group which organized this particular school board

46:50

member her name's Leah Watley And then

46:52

it'll shed Holly himself in an interview

46:54

on his podcast with one of the

46:56

political candidates for lieutenant Governor in North

46:59

Carolina where they're at and do I

47:01

actually don't know how to say her

47:03

last name, some just not even gonna

47:05

try to off that primary. So yeah,

47:07

that that is not a silly a

47:09

victory for this. Movement. But nonetheless,

47:11

during that interview, Chad Holly spoke

47:14

about how members of the Nexus

47:16

About Network were able to mobilize

47:18

at a local school board meeting

47:20

in North Carolina and basically push

47:22

back against what they described as

47:25

the promotion of pedophilia and rape

47:27

and incest. the context being a

47:29

book that they did not like

47:31

that was available for students. Mr.

47:33

Holly himself was quoted in a

47:36

local airport using the words of

47:38

pedophilia and Rape and incest. They

47:40

are also. you know targeting the

47:42

school boards and other state level offices

47:44

other state level offices where you know

47:46

they think that they can mobilize a

47:49

significant number of people to support them

47:51

ennis you know this dovetails their efforts

47:53

on school boards basically dovetail with this

47:56

larger trend that we've seen all across

47:58

the country some whichever party in

48:00

a series of investigative articles here

48:03

in Texas where, you know, large

48:05

funders and outside interests end up

48:07

pairing up with, you know, local

48:09

far-right activists to make fodder of

48:11

books and other things that they

48:14

don't like that they would seek

48:16

to ban, all under the sort

48:18

of rubric of morality or decency,

48:20

regardless of whether the content is

48:22

actually, as defined by

48:25

many legal cases, actually pornography or if it's

48:27

just in their mind is something that they

48:29

don't like. This network of people, it

48:31

spans the country. There

48:33

are probably many more examples on this social

48:35

media app of people who have, you know,

48:37

shown up to school board meetings and made

48:40

a big issue out of books that they

48:42

don't like. You say it spans the country.

48:44

I have absolutely no doubt that's true. But

48:47

I do notice that you keep coming

48:49

back to or we keep coming back

48:52

to whether it's talking about the federal

48:54

offices or school boards or whatever the

48:56

Carolinas seem to be like. Are

48:58

they just fertile ground for this movement or are

49:00

they ground zero? Is this something that

49:02

they're doing purposely or is it a

49:04

coincidence? So, great question. Part of

49:07

it is that Chad Holly and his family

49:09

live in North Carolina. Okay. So,

49:11

they are based there. And that

49:13

consequently is why there

49:15

are so many personal connections amongst

49:17

these various politicians. Several of the

49:19

politicians named in the article also

49:22

were interviewed by Chad and described

49:24

as friends. So, that is

49:26

one main reason why we're seeing so

49:28

many officials in the Carolinas popping up

49:30

on this network. Another one of those

49:33

officials who is not a member of

49:35

the network but has been interviewed

49:37

on the podcast is the North

49:39

Carolina Lieutenant Governor Mark Robison who

49:41

just won the North Carolina Republican

49:43

gubernatorial primary. And he has said

49:45

many, many, many colorful things to

49:47

put it politely. Yeah. Regarding,

49:50

you know, his belief that we should return

49:52

to a time when women couldn't vote or

49:54

that he believes that this is a Judeo-Christian

49:56

country and, you know, Christians must lead and

49:58

be at the forefront of leaving the

50:01

nation. You know, there is definitely a lot

50:03

of activity in this direction in North Carolina,

50:05

but there are also some examples

50:07

of people in other states. There is

50:09

one state house candidate and a current

50:12

county commissioner in Lohman County, Michigan is

50:14

among the politicians that I found on

50:16

this website. Soon, I hope to have

50:19

a more comprehensive view of, you know,

50:21

the distribution of these accounts across the

50:23

country in terms of, you know, where

50:25

the largest concentration of membership is. So,

50:28

you know, I think that's why we're

50:30

seeing so much in North Carolina,

50:32

but I've also found people in

50:34

Dallas. I've also found people in

50:36

California and other states. So exactly

50:38

what the distribution of membership is,

50:40

is something that I hope to

50:43

have more clarity on in the coming days.

50:45

So I have to say, as I was

50:47

reading your article, probably the least surprising thing

50:49

in it was when you got to the

50:52

little graph about how some

50:54

of these folks were there on January 6th.

50:56

And I was like, well, of course they

50:58

were. How big a presence was there? Because

51:00

I know, I think you linked

51:02

to a piece that basically said

51:04

this new apostolic reformation drove the

51:06

January 6th riots. Right. So there

51:08

are several scholars

51:11

and journalists who have

51:13

made, I think, relatively convincing cases

51:15

that the new apostolic reformation and

51:17

things like the Seven Mountains Mandate

51:19

were one of the animating forces

51:22

behind January 6th. And then if you

51:24

look closely at photos and

51:26

at videos, you begin to see

51:28

iconography that is associated with this

51:31

movement, such as the flag that

51:34

the speaker of the house, Mike

51:36

Johnson, hung outside of his office,

51:38

the Appeal to Heaven flag. That

51:40

was something that was clearly visible

51:42

during the January 6th riots. The

51:44

day before, during the Freedom Plaza

51:46

rally, there were speeches

51:48

from luminaries in

51:50

this movement, such as Cheyenne.

51:52

There were people who were

51:55

arrested who had specifically posted

51:57

about the Seven Mountains Mandate.

52:00

And so while I don't think we

52:02

could convincingly argue that the New Apostolic

52:04

Reformation or the Seven Mountains Mandate was

52:06

the thing that caused January 6th, I

52:08

would say that it was one of

52:11

the factors that mobilized people and animated

52:13

the motivations for people to show up

52:15

in the first place, given that so

52:17

many of the leaders in that movement

52:19

have aligned themselves behind Donald Trump. Yeah,

52:21

exactly. And that's, like I said, that's

52:24

why when I got to it, I

52:26

was like, Oh, of course they were.

52:29

It would have been a surprise there. It would have been a surprise

52:31

to me if there hadn't been. Exactly. So

52:33

I kind of got, because of your

52:35

article, I got sucked into the Nexus

52:37

Mountain Network website, and it's just got

52:39

some stuff on there that's just, they

52:41

have this whole section on it's a

52:43

Seven Mountains overview. And so they break

52:46

down these Seven Mountains, religion,

52:48

business, arts and entertainment, family, government,

52:50

education, media. They explain what it

52:52

means to have conquered this, you

52:54

know, each particular mountain. And they

52:56

list examples of people who have

52:58

done so and they give biblical examples and

53:01

modern day examples. Some of these

53:03

were unreal, like under government, they

53:05

have Harriet Tubman, Dietrich Bonhoeffer and

53:08

Ronald Reagan. We all know who

53:10

Harriet Tubman was. We all know who Ronald Reagan

53:12

was. Bonhoeffer was executed

53:14

by the Nazis because he had a

53:16

plot to, he was part of a

53:18

plot to take down Hitler. I'm looking

53:21

at this, I'm going, do you really

53:23

think these people? Yes, if you're going

53:25

to say they conquered the mountain of

53:27

government, but to list these people as

53:29

if they would have approved of what

53:31

you're doing is just, it's so insane.

53:33

But again, it's like, it's not surprising

53:35

at this point. That's what these groups

53:37

do. Right. I don't think it

53:39

is the first time we've seen sort

53:41

of this retroactive claim on particular people.

53:44

I mean, there's the whole practice

53:46

in certain religious sects of retroactive

53:49

baptism, where you basically are baptizing

53:51

dead people against their will because

53:53

they can't consent because they're dead.

53:56

So yeah, I saw that and I found it

53:58

to be truly a wide. for

54:00

them to make those claims. But then on the

54:02

other hand, they would cite people like Candace Owens.

54:05

And while she does not have an

54:07

account on the platform, she's listed as

54:09

one of their influencers. So it appears

54:11

she does have some sort of connection

54:14

to this program, this

54:16

platform. Yeah, the media section

54:18

for that mountain was also

54:20

like, I want to read

54:22

what it says. It says,

54:25

the media mountain Christian prioritizes

54:27

information integrity. They value persuasion,

54:29

communication, presentation, influence, truth, mass

54:31

distribution, and journalism. And then

54:33

it lists as modern day

54:36

examples of this Paul Revere,

54:38

Rush Limbaugh, Kaylee McEnany, and

54:40

Candace Owens. Now three

54:42

of those people are or were inveterate

54:45

liars. And then there

54:47

was Paul Revere. It's my understanding

54:49

that being an inveterate liar usually

54:51

doesn't fit well with quote unquote

54:53

information integrity or valuing truth. That

54:55

does not seem to make sense

54:57

to me either. But the consistency

55:00

of this stuff, I don't I

55:02

don't think we should really expect

55:05

much. I mean, yeah, it's clearly

55:07

a highly ideological platform that aims

55:09

to push a specific agenda. And

55:11

so consequently, you know, we're seeing

55:14

ridiculous things like the attempt to

55:16

pre butt the story was really

55:18

interesting to me. We saw Chad

55:20

Hawley make a post about it.

55:22

He was interviewed on Flashpoint. And

55:25

then Lance Walnau himself posted a

55:27

video. It was so fascinating to

55:29

see Walnau recast the seven mountains

55:31

into what he now says is

55:33

like a description of how the

55:35

left has taken over the country.

55:37

Right. So it

55:39

went from, you know, being a book that

55:41

he published in 2013 targeting Christians

55:45

to motivate them to, you know, take

55:47

over their mountain of influence. To now

55:50

it's somehow a blueprint for how the

55:52

left did that. It's this really interesting

55:54

rhetorical jujitsu where they turn themselves into

55:57

the victim as a way to sort

55:59

of rally the troops around them.

56:01

I don't expect a lot of consistency when

56:03

we see stuff like that. No, not at

56:05

all. But it's still just wild to me

56:07

like under the education mountain as people who

56:10

have conquered the mountains, they list Betsy DeVos

56:12

and Booker T. Washington, two people I always

56:14

think of in the same breath. And

56:19

to be clear, like if you go onto

56:21

the actual platform and you click their influencer

56:23

section, they list Candace Owens. They have a

56:26

whole little thing for her where they link

56:28

to all of her other social media, but

56:30

they don't link to her account on the

56:32

platform because she doesn't even have one. So

56:34

they can't even get their own influencers to

56:37

get on board and be consistent. Unreal.

56:39

Well, Steve, I want to thank you for

56:42

giving me yet another group that should just

56:44

be a little fringe thing that

56:46

we don't really have to worry about.

56:48

But thank you for identifying them as yet

56:50

another one of these that we actually do have

56:52

to worry about because they're gaining influence in politics.

56:55

The piece is great. It's over at daily.com for

56:57

people who want to read the whole thing. Steve

56:59

Monticelli, thank you so much for being here. Always

57:01

a pleasure, Andy. Danielle

57:04

Moody. Andy Levy. Danielle,

57:06

who are you closing out the week

57:08

with for your f*** that guy? Well,

57:11

let me tell you something. If you've

57:13

been following me on social this week,

57:15

it should be very clear who my

57:17

f*** that guy is. So New

57:19

York City has decided to

57:22

roll out something new. Thanks

57:24

to Governor Hochul and

57:26

Mayor Eric Adams, our

57:28

subway systems are now

57:30

flooded with national guardsmen

57:33

and cops with

57:35

AR-15s, a nice folding table

57:37

set up to harass

57:40

the people of New York

57:43

City at various subway stations

57:45

for apparently our safety. So

57:47

Governor Hochul and Mayor Adams,

57:49

their response to what they

57:52

are seeing as growing violence

57:54

and crime isn't about, you

57:56

know, doing what every single

57:59

f***ing report... or

58:01

every single type of advocacy

58:03

group says, which is invest

58:05

in social services, invest in

58:08

education. No, they decide instead

58:10

to balloon police budgets and

58:12

to invest into the militarization

58:15

of New York City. And

58:17

I have to tell

58:19

you that I am fucking outraged. I

58:21

have said it on social a million

58:23

times that I want the ACLU and

58:26

other legal groups to be looking into

58:28

this because if I recall, stop

58:31

and frisk was deemed unconstitutional.

58:33

And I'm just curious as

58:35

to who, whose bags

58:38

are going to quote unquote

58:40

be randomly checked. How many

58:42

black and brown and

58:44

Muslim appearing people are

58:47

going to be subjected to harassment

58:50

on a regular basis by

58:53

a pumped up fucking militarized

58:55

police department. Mayor Adams went

58:58

ahead and cut what? I

59:00

think the budget of the New

59:02

York City Public Education by tens

59:04

of millions of dollars gave additional

59:06

tens of millions of dollars that

59:08

he cut from education, from social

59:10

services, from parks, from the libraries,

59:12

to where his buddies at the

59:14

NYPD. And now has to justify

59:17

what that looks like to give them what

59:19

busy work to throw people up against the

59:21

wall. I'm just so fucking sick. So my

59:23

fuck that guy because I will keep going

59:26

is a double header of

59:29

Kathy Hogle, the governor, and

59:32

Mayor Adams who are going to

59:34

do their best to turn New

59:37

York City into the fucking militarized

59:39

zone that the far right has

59:41

wanted to do for quite some

59:44

time. But these two pseudo Democrats

59:46

are doing the job of the

59:48

right for them. Bravo, bravo. So for

59:50

that reason, fuck those guys. This is

59:53

not good. There's so many things wrong

59:55

with this. Look, I've seen speculation

59:57

because I don't think we know.

1:00:00

know this for a fact, that

1:00:02

what Hochul's doing is a response to

1:00:04

the transit workers union and the MTA,

1:00:07

the Metropolitan Transit Authority, an

1:00:09

MTA worker was recently hurt,

1:00:11

I think stabbed, which is

1:00:14

horrible, obviously. And basically, this

1:00:16

is sort of throwing a

1:00:18

bone to the unions. There's so many

1:00:20

problems here. First of all, I

1:00:22

guess there's some way this doesn't violate

1:00:24

the Fourth Amendment and the right to

1:00:27

be free of unreasonable search and seizure.

1:00:29

I'm not sure what that is. I

1:00:31

don't understand the rule here, but I

1:00:33

ain't a lawyer. So maybe I don't

1:00:35

know what's going on. The bag searching,

1:00:38

I mean, this is political theater. Like

1:00:40

this is even bigger political theater than

1:00:42

a lot of what the TSA does

1:00:44

at airports. When there's crime on the

1:00:46

subway, and by the way, crime is

1:00:49

down in New York City, we have

1:00:51

to keep saying that because our politicians

1:00:53

and our elected officials won't say that

1:00:55

except for the tiny, every once

1:00:57

in a while it benefits them to say that and then they

1:00:59

say it, but then they spend the rest of the time running

1:01:02

on how bad crime is and how they're

1:01:04

going to solve it by throwing more money

1:01:06

at the police, etc. But if you're on

1:01:08

the subway in New York, you're not worried

1:01:10

about what someone has in a bag. Historically,

1:01:13

it's not like people are carrying a bunch

1:01:15

of weapons in a bag onto the subway

1:01:17

and then using them. When violence

1:01:19

happens on the subway, it's usually like

1:01:21

someone gets in a fight, or they've

1:01:23

got a knife on them, whatever. And

1:01:25

again, this stuff is fairly rare. I

1:01:28

don't want to even oversell that. My

1:01:30

only point is they're doing these bag

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searches. And again, it is nothing but

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theater. And the idea that you're asking

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people to give up their constitutional rights

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for theater, I know this is the

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city of Broadway, but it's not the

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same thing. And that just

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really, really rankles that they do these things

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and they know it won't have any

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effect on what they're even claiming it's supposed

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to have an effect on. So it just

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I hate I hate hate this shit

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so much because it's just all again,

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it's just it's just performative and it

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and it sucks. So yeah, fuck that guy.

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So Andy, how are you

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closing out this week?

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Well, on the

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last episode, Danielle, you talked about I'm

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not blanking on what state it was.

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So Kansas and

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a whole bunch of legislation there and

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things aimed at basically rolling back worker

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protections. Oh, in this case, and in

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your case, it was basically saying businesses

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don't have to provide a lunch break.

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So I'm going to take us down

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to Florida because Florida, I think Florida's

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attitude is basically they are never going

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to be out done. And,

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you know, Texas wants to do

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something really stupid or Kansas or

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Missouri or Nebraska. And

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Florida is like, hang on, hang on.

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We need to get our names back

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on the list at the top. Earlier

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this week, the Florida State Senate approved

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a bill that would ban

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cities and counties in the

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state from having requirements

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for mandatory water breaks and other

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workplace protections against extreme heat. This

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is as reported by NBC News.

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The Senate voted 2811.

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Basically, local governments in Florida

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can now not determine workplace

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heat standards that might

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go beyond those required by federal law.

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And as Denise Shower reports at nbcnews.com,

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in effect, the bill would strip cities

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and counties of the ability to require

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water breaks for workers and time to

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rest in the shade throughout the day.

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Can they tell you any more clearly

1:03:33

that they don't care if you die?

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Tell me you love slavery without telling me

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you love slavery. I mean, we joke a

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lot, particularly in New York, about, you know, people,

1:03:42

old people going to Florida to die. And this

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is Florida basically saying, oh, it's not just

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old people, you know, send us your young people

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to we'll kill them. It's just unreal to me.

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And again, Texas passed similar legislation. I

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think we talked about it on the show

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back in 2023. And again, this is just

1:03:58

Florida saying you can't be us. We

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will always be the home of Florida

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man. And we will always be the

1:04:05

state that takes it one

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level higher or lower, I guess, depending

1:04:10

on how you're looking at it. You

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think about all workers in Florida in

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a super hot state that by the

1:04:16

way, not for nothing, just had its

1:04:19

hottest year and recorded history in

1:04:22

2023, along with the rest of the planet,

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by the way, and the Florida legislature's response

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to this is, oh, we

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got to take away some water from

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workers. Fuck these guys. I mean,

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they're just, again, everything

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like we need to stop looking at

1:04:38

these policies that are being put

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out in silos. Like we see

1:04:43

them and we're just like, okay,

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well, oh, look what

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Florida did here. Look what Kansas is doing here.

1:04:50

Look at what Alabama is doing. They

1:04:52

are eroding worker

1:04:54

protections. They are

1:04:57

pushing forward with rolling

1:04:59

back child labor laws. They

1:05:02

are creating a climate that

1:05:05

is ripe for authoritarianism, that

1:05:07

is ripe for oppression, with

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people having no way to

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fight back. And they

1:05:14

are doing it in these states as

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testers for what they want to nationalize

1:05:19

if Donald Trump were to become president

1:05:21

again. This is the thing that I

1:05:23

want people to like wake the fuck

1:05:26

up to. That you can't

1:05:28

say to yourself like, oh, well,

1:05:30

at least I'm not in Kansas

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or, oh, I would never live

1:05:34

in Florida because if Donald Trump

1:05:36

becomes president again or any Republican

1:05:38

becomes president again, the shit that

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they are doing state by state,

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taking over the South and bringing

1:05:44

back Jim Crow 2.0 will be

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nationalized. Fuck those guys. Hope

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