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the unelected body that rules over

1:35

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1:37

the midst of oral arguments. Andy

1:39

for I don't know and one

1:42

of the most important fucking cases

1:44

out this century. And I know

1:46

you're thinking to yourself but abortion

1:48

but this, but that. But no,

1:51

nothing can be more dangerous than

1:53

the presidential immunity case that the

1:55

Supreme court had no fucking business

1:58

taking up. But as decide. You

2:00

because Donald Trump is their puppet

2:02

master and in order to slow

2:04

down all of his cases, we

2:06

have to go through and dissect

2:08

whether or not the framers of

2:10

the constitution you know, got it

2:12

wrong when they didn't include into

2:14

the constitution that the President of

2:16

the United States can operate as

2:19

a full fledged mobster and criminal

2:21

and do so above the law

2:23

because apparently the other forty four

2:25

people that more President of these

2:27

United States somehow got it wrong

2:29

because they were able to do

2:31

their jobs without you know, going

2:33

on a full fucking fledged crime

2:35

spree for four years. I wish

2:37

I could form an opinion on

2:39

it and eats, but I say

2:41

no Supreme Court Session com sua

2:43

close. It's like cold sweat dripped

2:45

sauce of my body as we

2:47

barrel towards July. I hate them.

2:49

Are you to spend a week of

2:52

grotesquerie from the Supreme Court? And today

2:54

we had a listen to Justice Alito.

2:56

Talking. About how prosecuting Donald

2:58

Trump is a bigger threat

3:00

to democracy then Donald Trump

3:02

planning a true and trying

3:04

to subvert a free and

3:07

fair elections and if is

3:09

was were reduced to here

3:11

we are reduced to listening

3:13

to Sam Alito somehow inform

3:15

us. That. The worst thing

3:17

in the world. The worst thing for

3:19

America is the prosecution of Donald Trump.

3:22

And they shouldn't even be hearing.

3:24

This case is absurd if you're

3:26

hearing it and the fact of

3:28

the matter is they are doing

3:30

is specifically to slow walk it

3:32

so that nothing happens with it

3:34

before the election coming up and

3:36

it says everything about his arms

3:39

can use the word again it

3:41

is absolutely grotesque. It is an

3:43

absolute perversion of everything that America

3:45

supposedly stands for. and we are

3:47

having to sit here and listen

3:49

to people like Sam Alito lecture

3:51

us. On what is and isn't important

3:54

for America. And and I'm really, I'm

3:56

at a point where I can't think

3:58

of any one less qualified to talk

4:00

about what is and isn't important for

4:02

America than Sam Alito. I know our

4:04

business for walk as we've been having

4:06

this debate back to for the whose

4:08

worse, Clarence Thomas or Sam Alito and

4:10

I've always gone with the and I

4:12

stand by that. I just I really

4:15

think this guy has done more to

4:17

damage the fabric of American society than

4:19

probably any modern supreme court justice On

4:21

a one apps are going back to

4:23

the eighteen hundreds and upholding slavery and

4:25

stuff like that. I mean you're not

4:27

Arizona self of of unlike exactly. How

4:31

many keep this? I'm going to keep

4:33

this in modern day put just reading

4:35

when he and other justices including course

4:37

it's etc have been saying today if

4:39

I were a crier, this would make

4:41

me weep. Yeah. Listening to

4:43

some of the questions that have

4:46

come out, here's one from Amy

4:48

Cold in there and which is

4:50

what I like the color from

4:52

a Just As Thera. This is

4:54

what she said to the attorney

4:56

for a Jack Smith quote is

4:58

the President has some kind of

5:00

immunity that's implicit in article Two

5:02

of the constitution. Then that immunity

5:04

would protect him from state prosecution

5:06

as well. And attorney Michael

5:08

Juri Ben said of course so

5:10

you see is the part and

5:12

parcel out that these justices are

5:15

trying to do and even that

5:17

question by bear it has me

5:19

questioning her which I've done since

5:21

she was sat on the bench

5:23

but that's all she had a

5:25

ever offered up was like a

5:27

law article that Donald Trump light.

5:29

The fact is that even to

5:31

think about oh well, maybe because

5:33

what is going to be dangerous

5:35

here is that they're going. To

5:38

try and find some middle ground.

5:40

And to me that's more dangerous

5:42

than anything else. Because what we

5:45

know about Donald Trump will we

5:47

know about his prior administrations is

5:49

that when you give them an

5:52

inch, they take. The whole fucking

5:54

countries. Do. Not I'm saying

5:56

so. This idea that, well,

5:58

Maybe we'll me. The president immune

6:01

from said are all crimes.

6:03

But then see can still be

6:05

prosecuted for speak crime. Cadogan work

6:08

that makes no sense. so either.

6:10

You're saying that the President of

6:12

the United States once they take

6:14

off his are incredibly above the

6:17

law, which I don't think that

6:19

people understand how fucking dangerous that

6:21

is. What they're doing to this

6:23

country be nine unelected black robes.

6:25

It scarier than any size. side

6:28

that I think. I've ever watched. Yeah,

6:30

I do think there were some people

6:32

who understand you So scary that is

6:34

an think that's a good including. Yeah,

6:36

when she left the arose. I think

6:38

you're right that the general American public

6:40

is not really thinking about this stuff,

6:42

which I don't blame them with her.

6:44

Want to think about the stuff but

6:46

it's bad. Like you said, we're watching

6:48

the way they are crafting the their

6:50

arguments and so you've got Alito brewing

6:53

the the government's lawyer up again my

6:55

countrymen. Here's what he said: Presidents have

6:57

to make a lot of tough decisions

6:59

about. Enforcing the law and the have

7:01

to make decisions about questions that are

7:03

unsettled. I understand you to say well

7:05

you know if he makes a mistake

7:07

he makes a mistake He subject to

7:09

the criminal law just like anybody else.

7:11

you don't think he's in a special

7:14

a peculiar Louis precarious position. So what

7:16

is getting out here? Is he talking

7:18

about the idea that if a president

7:20

makes a mistake and runs afoul of

7:22

the law, he's gonna end up being

7:24

prosecuted. So two points to that one

7:26

as three been fired back. Hate the

7:29

President. Has supposedly the best legal advice

7:31

in the country. He got to read

7:33

do anything that we're talking about here

7:35

by mistake. that's not what Lanzhou in

7:37

criminal prosecution So you've got a little

7:40

framing this as a we have to

7:42

protect the President for making mistakes and

7:44

then driven tried to bring up January

7:46

Six and new courses like know we

7:48

don't want to talk about January Six

7:51

specific, we were making a ruling for

7:53

the agency or so what they wanna

7:55

do is pretend this has nothing to

7:57

do with January Six and also. Offer.

8:00

That oh this is about president's making

8:02

mistakes because everyone knows what happened on

8:04

January Six wasn't a mistake made by

8:06

Donald Trump's by by framing me arguments

8:08

that way and then literally telling lawyers

8:10

know we don't want to talk about

8:12

January Six. We're not dealing with the

8:14

facts of a specific case, here. we

8:16

are talking in in a general sense.

8:18

They're making all the questions loaded and

8:20

they're loading. I'm in a way to

8:22

best protect Donald Trump, you know? Look,

8:24

I don't know if if is the

8:26

conservative justices are going to have the

8:28

votes here to rule the way. They

8:30

want to, but I know damn well that

8:32

they are going to have enough votes to

8:34

slow, continue to slow walk this, and maybe

8:37

even get some sort of compromise where they

8:39

were mad it back to the lower courts

8:41

because a lot of what's happening here is

8:44

turning on the issue of what's an official

8:46

act as president and what's a private act

8:48

as president and outed very easily see them

8:50

and and I I shouldn't say I as

8:53

if I came up with said yet of

8:55

nowhere I've seen others pointed out. Well, it

8:57

seems to make sense to me that they

8:59

could. Very easily just send us facts of

9:02

lower courts and say hey, we need more

9:04

rulings on what constitutes a private and he

9:06

is higher. Purpose of this again will be

9:08

too slow. walk this case so that Donald

9:11

Trump is he wins in November and assume

9:13

office without any of these prosecutions hanging over

9:15

his head. As were talking through

9:17

that, you know this is happening

9:19

in real time span. One of

9:21

the things that Justice Thera has

9:23

just sketched out is the potential

9:25

of this going to trial this

9:28

year and s the supreme Court.

9:30

This is according to Cnn speed

9:32

the supreme court send set back

9:34

to the trial level. It could

9:36

be heard by a jury without

9:38

further appeals court involvement which would

9:40

mean no further delays and Donald.

9:42

Trump's case before trial. Once the

9:45

Supreme Court will rule, we thought.

9:47

I don't know. Two hundred and

9:49

not less than two hundred a

9:51

sudden Sylvia Elect sense. So yeah,

9:53

I just I'm not feeling good

9:55

about that zoc and schedule sell.

9:57

To be considered one hundred ninety four days.

10:00

One hundred at night before. It's the

10:02

all we need a pick another country.

10:04

They do this so and superfund

10:06

sites where I can be. so

10:08

I mentioned earlier in the week

10:10

Scotus also heard. Oral. Arguments

10:13

in a case involving Idaho's

10:15

pretty much as close to

10:17

all total ban on abortion

10:19

law that exists right now

10:21

and the question before the

10:23

court was whether this law

10:25

actually violates a federal law.

10:28

That. Requires patience to be

10:30

able to receive emergency care and

10:32

some. The idea here is is

10:34

the voice in Law is so

10:37

strict in Idaho that it would

10:39

deny care to women who need

10:41

it In an emergency. I eat

10:44

a matter of life or death

10:46

than the law might be unconstitutional.

10:48

And boy did we hear some

10:50

sort of arguments and some sort

10:53

of questions from some fucked up

10:55

justices. Don't yell, I know you

10:57

have someone. In mind here. So.

11:00

Apparently Justice Alito things that

11:02

he went to medical school

11:04

instead of lock or and

11:06

the line of questioning that

11:08

he had a was. Absurd.

11:11

Right? Because basically what they are

11:14

setting up is he saying? Well,

11:16

I don't see why adopt there

11:18

wouldn't be able to make this

11:20

decision if it is an emergency.

11:22

But what really constitutes an emergency?

11:24

I'm sorry. What! An entire group

11:26

of medical doctors in this country

11:28

wrote a letter to the Supreme

11:30

Court for clarifications because apparently the

11:33

justices who went to law school

11:35

and not medical school are the

11:37

ones that are going to decide

11:39

what is an emergency. So. These

11:41

doctors that road into an open letter to

11:43

the supreme court said how many Ccs

11:45

a blood dissipation have to lose in order

11:48

for it to be considered an emergency,

11:50

How much oxygen said they have had to

11:52

lose How close to.do they need to be

11:54

seated Basically the reason why women are

11:56

being turned away and people with you nurses

11:59

or been trying. The way from emergency

12:01

rooms is because we live in a

12:03

society that has two sets of socks

12:05

and loss Soviet, one doctor that says

12:08

well in my operating rooms that wouldn't

12:10

have been considered an emergency and that's

12:12

going to be who's going to be

12:15

that expert for the prosecution and then

12:17

you'll have the defense come in and

12:19

say well actually it's that would have

12:22

been an emergency. This situation that they

12:24

are setting up is to ensure that

12:26

child birth becomes it's fucking dangerous as

12:29

possible in an industrialized. Country before we

12:31

had modern medicine, it was like a

12:33

fifty fifty toss up that women would

12:36

die in childbirth. because we didn't have

12:38

the advanced technology, we didn't know what

12:40

it is Seduce. Now we do. But

12:42

we have justices like fucking Alito that

12:45

think that they know better than those

12:47

that went to school for eight nine,

12:49

ten years and plus to have specialties

12:52

in this O, B, G Y and

12:54

care. It is just a while to

12:56

me that these fucking religious zealots or

12:59

who gets to decide. Who gets

13:01

Sullivan.you? want to talk about people

13:03

playing God? what the fuck? Is

13:05

he doing? And I want to bring

13:07

up another thing that he said a

13:09

widow kept saying that the Federal government

13:11

which is obviously arguing against Idaho in

13:14

this case that are becoming more. you

13:16

bring up hypotheticals that don't exist in

13:18

terms of you know, women dying because

13:20

of back to the care or whatever

13:22

and it was left to justice Kagan

13:24

to node As the New York Times

13:27

reports that the hospital with the most

13:29

advanced emergency room services in Idaho. So

13:31

far, this year has already needed to

13:33

transfer six women to other states for

13:36

emergency abortions because they were afraid to

13:38

do them under this law. So this

13:40

is not hypothetical this is happening to

13:43

women in Idaho literally right now. literally

13:45

this year. I also want to point

13:47

out. While. We're going after Samuel

13:49

Alito, which I'm always in favor

13:52

of doing. Obviously another big thing

13:54

that he brought up is that

13:56

the Federal law in question here

13:59

does reference. The. Unborn child.

14:01

He tries to make that

14:03

seem as if therefore performing

14:06

an abortion is against this

14:08

emergency room yadda law that

14:11

that provides. That. Everyone has

14:13

to get emergency. Room. Service and

14:15

Gabriel Mallory who's a lawyer who

14:17

are I follow on Blue Sky

14:19

and followed on Twitter back when

14:21

I was on there because he

14:23

does excellent analysis. He pointed out

14:25

that what Alito was doing here

14:27

is it is worth flat out

14:29

deleting women from E M T

14:31

L A protection, and he shows

14:33

that in the act itself, the

14:35

statute itself he talks about emergency

14:37

care has to be given any

14:39

time that the absence of immediate

14:41

medical attention could reasonably be expected

14:43

to result in. And among

14:45

those things are that health of

14:47

the woman and the safety of

14:49

the woman. This is in regards

14:51

to pregnant women. So Alito was

14:53

just pretending that the act doesn't

14:56

mention women, which I find I

14:58

guess unsurprising because that's generally how

15:00

he writes his laws or comes

15:02

up with his opinions. Overall, he

15:04

just acts like the lives of

15:06

women don't matter. Yeah, Because he spells

15:08

lemon with a P which he actually

15:10

wants to say property, He doesn't actually

15:12

care about the health, the well being.

15:15

Because women to these people which is

15:17

what we have to understand are just

15:19

incubators. You know there are those bold

15:21

enough and discuss enough on Right Wing

15:23

podcast and Brady else that absolutely say

15:25

that where the fuck you think these

15:27

in south come from, say absolutely hate

15:30

women and sell The fact is that

15:32

you want to force women to give

15:34

birth, you don't care if they die

15:36

doing sell the next. Thing that they're

15:38

calling for is so now if I'm

15:41

little Obama percent on I'm in Idaho

15:43

and like this a potential that I

15:45

to get pregnant in Idaho like I

15:48

absolutely am going to be on birth

15:50

control. The ties Basically what you've given

15:52

me as a death sentence Because you're

15:54

saying well they can just transferred to

15:57

another state. In an in

15:59

the middle. Alito doesn't understand is

16:01

that in the midst of medical emergencies

16:03

time just a something that is not

16:05

a luxury if you are losing blood.

16:08

If you are losing oxygen you are

16:10

saying well we'll just put her in

16:12

an ambulance or put on a helicopter

16:14

and ship or off to some place

16:17

else and all will be good. It

16:19

is unnecessary. Any this fucking rule what

16:21

they are doing and that's I mean

16:23

to me that's that's the context of

16:26

all of this goes back to the

16:28

fact that cruelty is the. Absolute Points:

16:30

You force women to carry babies that

16:32

you don't want to take care of.

16:34

You don't want to take care of

16:36

the women's You don't want to take

16:38

care of the children once they are

16:40

born. And you don't care if they

16:42

die so long as you can say,

16:44

oh look at this healthy baby. But

16:46

then after you've done the oohs and

16:48

ahs, you don't do a sucky that

16:50

as you defined everything that has to

16:52

do with ensuring that that healthy baby

16:54

turn into a healthy citizen. I hate.

16:56

Be simple, I know, I said. That. I

17:00

just want to continue on this point

17:02

that Daniel just made such return or

17:05

is a lawyer representing Idaho before the

17:07

Supreme court. His big argument is no

17:09

under the idol law if a pregnant

17:12

woman has a medical problem that is

17:14

likely to result in her death then

17:16

yes and emergency department in a hospital

17:19

can provide an abortion for some all.

17:21

take that with a grain of salt

17:23

by just sort of My were then

17:25

asked him okay what about if a

17:28

woman. Without getting an abortion, would

17:30

lose and organ or have to

17:32

sub serious medical complications. And Turner's

17:34

reply was yes, Idaho law does

17:36

say that abortions in that case

17:38

aren't allowed, so in other words,

17:40

it's more important to them to

17:42

force a woman to literally lose

17:44

and origin or have serious medical

17:46

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17:49

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17:51

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17:53

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20:42

Wednesday President Biden signed into law a

20:44

bill that would effectively banned Tic Toc

20:46

at America if by chance to Chinese

20:48

company that owns a majority stake in

20:50

it doesn't sell it with an ear.

20:52

The law which was passed by huge

20:54

majorities in both the house and the

20:56

Senate would require both the Apple and

20:58

Google app stores to remove the app

21:00

in the U S. if Fight Dance

21:02

doesn't divest itself of it's ownership stake

21:04

in the super popular app, which according

21:06

to stats I found on the internet

21:08

and therefore must be true, has over

21:11

one billion active monthly. Users worldwide and

21:13

over a hundred million in the Us

21:15

alone joining me now to explain what

21:17

this all means going forward. His bike

21:19

mass Nick founder and editor of the

21:21

Essential Tech Dirt blog at Text or.com

21:24

and Ceo of the Copia Institute might

21:26

thanks I'm a Tribunal Duchscherer Always happy

21:28

to talk about craziness in the law.

21:30

Yeah, well, you've written fairly sensibly about

21:32

how stupid you think seem rational efforts

21:34

to ban to talk have been. How

21:37

much is China paying you to do

21:39

this? Oh

21:41

My. Goodness. Oh yes. Oh, uncommon

21:43

assay today. Massive. Excellent. Excellent. The

21:45

on I signed up for Assist

21:48

Assist First, the whole framing of

21:50

all of this I think is

21:52

really problematic. The idea that the

21:54

U S should be banning any

21:56

kind of app or making any

21:58

sort of effort. The to ban

22:01

and app that involves speech and

22:03

media I think sets a terrible

22:05

precedent, creates a whole bunch of

22:07

other problems and really doesn't get

22:10

at the underlying concerns that that

22:12

everyone keeps wanting to talk about

22:14

when they. Support. Something

22:16

like a tic tac been. So

22:18

in all seriousness, explain to me

22:20

the rationales behind this law. Why

22:23

have lawmakers been saying we need

22:25

to do this with or two

22:27

that are commonly brought up and

22:29

they're sort of used at times

22:31

interchangeably. And if you argue against

22:33

one and old some to the

22:35

other her the first one is

22:37

the sort of privacy surveillance aspect

22:39

the question of well, because by

22:42

dances, a Chinese company and under

22:44

Chinese law they have to obey.

22:46

Though Dufresne. So if the government

22:48

wants to get access on data

22:50

on all these Americans who have

22:52

bloated this happened to their phone

22:55

by dance has to give it

22:57

to them and that represents a

22:59

real privacy concerns related to that.

23:01

Are you know, questions about how

23:03

much data is the app actually

23:06

collecting on people, what kinds of

23:08

data from what are their particular

23:10

privacy implications of it? So that's

23:12

argument. One argument Psu is the

23:14

idea that. Because the Tic Toc

23:17

algorithm is supposedly so powerful

23:19

that as as a form

23:21

of mind control or of

23:23

the phrase I've seen bandied

23:25

about is sad digital sentinel

23:27

that it is this all

23:29

powerful algorithm that controls the

23:31

minds of one hundred million

23:33

Americans. that is dangerous because

23:35

China is an adversary and

23:37

they might make use of

23:39

this algorithm to control our

23:41

minds and you know have

23:43

us do horrible things or

23:46

to. Pay the Us government or

23:48

loved China or I don't know what

23:50

you know there's all sorts of things

23:52

that it they might do with it

23:54

is what the concern is while and

23:56

and we hear quotes along from various

23:58

members of Congress who support. You

24:00

know these efforts to to force by

24:02

gas to sell along the lines of

24:04

well you haven't seen or the American

24:07

people haven't seen what I've seen in

24:09

terms of it being a security threat.

24:11

Make me believe Mike that they're being

24:13

honest as well. I don't know because

24:15

you have other other people who have

24:18

seen those reports or of other members

24:20

of Congress who have come out and

24:22

said they've gone to the classified briefings

24:24

and they haven't seen anything that is

24:26

any more extreme or problematic then the

24:29

things that every. Other app does that,

24:31

dino Facebook and Instagram and You Tube

24:33

and and all these other apps in

24:35

terms of the kind of did as

24:37

as they collect and how they have

24:39

algorithms that push people in one direction

24:42

or another. I obviously have not been

24:44

in classified meetings so I don't know,

24:46

but at least some of the people

24:48

come out of them have been skeptical

24:50

and and having seen sort of similar

24:52

issue panics in the past I would

24:55

believe that there is a way to

24:57

present the things that Tic Tac does,

24:59

which I. Believe are likely to

25:01

be the similar kinds of things

25:03

that every other app major app

25:05

does. add make it sound really,

25:07

really scary. potentially just by adding

25:09

like Ccp to the description of

25:11

it and so you know who

25:13

know who's in theory, You know

25:15

there could be some saying, but

25:18

it is difficult to see what

25:20

that might be that if the

25:22

app is collecting too much data

25:24

for example, that's the kind of

25:26

thing that Apple or Google would

25:28

likely catch and not allow it

25:30

into the app store. It's difficult

25:32

to see where the really really

25:34

scary parts would be coming from

25:36

that wouldn't have been stopped elsewhere.

25:38

I've been is the idea here,

25:40

or at least one of the

25:42

idea is the Chinese government could

25:45

use this sense analyzed algorithms as

25:47

you push propaganda on the youth

25:49

of America and turn them into.

25:51

You know, I don't know communist

25:53

clones. This is Abby that that

25:55

is. That seems to be the

25:57

implications some people are saying and

25:59

of. For a variety of

26:01

reasons, that silly one, there's no evidence

26:03

whatsoever that this is a particularly effective

26:05

tool for propaganda that it is melting

26:08

the minds of people. I pointed to

26:10

are a few studies recently that show

26:12

that American views towards China itself or

26:14

at historic lows that with the American

26:17

population does not trust said. If you

26:19

could argue that that's not what they're

26:21

using it for me with are choosing

26:23

it to sow chaos or whatever. but

26:25

there's very little evidence that the algorithm

26:28

is all powerful mind control. And

26:30

if you to talk about in general

26:32

propaganda that exists has always existed at

26:34

you know part of American Freedom is

26:37

that we live with the fact that

26:39

someone somewhere will try to use propaganda

26:41

for various purposes, and usually we deal

26:44

with that through education rather than banning

26:46

media yeah, for sure, which I guess

26:48

we saw. My next question patters any

26:50

of this requiring buy gas to sell,

26:53

forcing Apple and Google to remove an

26:55

app from their stores. How does any

26:57

of this past First Amendment muster? And

26:59

how. Is this mob which has now

27:02

been signed by President Biden different from

27:04

the Twenty Twenty efforts by President Trump

27:06

that in fact were struck down by

27:08

the courts? Yeah, there are some like

27:10

real deep legal nuances and the in

27:13

the differences here. If the mechanism here

27:15

is different though, the mechanism that Trump

27:17

used and so there are people who

27:19

believe that is is on more solid

27:21

First Amendment grounds. I think it's still

27:24

on very weak First Amendment grounds. You

27:26

know? The issue with the the Trump

27:28

one was a was struck. Down The

27:30

didn't even get to the first mm.

27:32

an issue in the Trump Won because

27:35

they said the head the Trump administration

27:37

presented no real evidence of the national

27:39

security threat posed by Tic Toc And

27:41

and that was where the the effort

27:43

there was explicitly about the suppose it

27:45

national security threats of having that this

27:47

app on on phones and because he

27:50

couldn't presenting evidence to support it that

27:52

than got thrown out you know, And

27:54

that's where. Like now that they talk

27:56

about both, it's partly the National Security

27:58

privacy threats and partly. The Propaganda Threat.

28:00

But as soon as you get to

28:03

the propaganda sides, then it hits at

28:05

very clear First Amendment issues. Again, propaganda

28:07

for the most part is protected under

28:09

the First Amendment by M S. True,

28:11

even if it's coming from outside the

28:13

country. So I have a lot of

28:15

trouble believing that it is possible to

28:17

do this under the first moment, but

28:20

you never know in terms how courts

28:22

will react and whether or not you

28:24

find a judge who is sufficiently stared

28:26

that the Ccp is controlling our minds

28:28

that he might same height. Magically rule

28:30

the other way. And why is this

28:32

any different? And maybe it somehow it

28:34

is legally from. say, I don't know

28:36

Rupert Murdoch owning Fox News to New

28:38

York Post avast me journal, It's outer.

28:40

Yeah, I mean there's that. A Dove

28:42

Murdoch I believe changed his residency in

28:44

part because of media ownership law. So

28:46

feather a heart There are some is

28:48

is there I mean or you could

28:51

argue Saudi Arabia has a large steak

28:53

in the site formerly known as Twitter.

28:55

There are a variety of other things

28:57

were there are foreign investments and places.

28:59

Still, there are some. Rules about foreign

29:01

investment and there is the city s

29:03

process and terms of figuring out you

29:05

know what foreign and to these are

29:07

allowed to own what percentage of of

29:10

American companies and occasionally they will step

29:12

in and block and and there have

29:14

been questions about whether or not that

29:16

was the avenue to go with and

29:18

there have been some attempts to to

29:21

use the city as process. I think

29:23

it's a tricky your legal issue to

29:25

sort of sort through some of those

29:27

and again in this case in particular

29:29

it comes back to wire That concerns

29:32

here and in most serious cases is

29:34

about like strategic importance so like semiconductors

29:36

or something that unlike those who support

29:38

here as soon as you get to

29:40

speech you immediately run into first member

29:43

questions and in a most of the

29:45

people who are pushing this ban sort

29:47

of try and you know sidestep those

29:49

first mimic questions and and pretend they

29:51

don't exist or to wave them away

29:54

because this is so serious. So look

29:56

obviously By Dance isn't gonna take this

29:58

lying down and if not by the

30:00

time this interview goes lived and probably

30:02

soon after I would assume they'll be

30:05

a suit filed challenging this last yeah

30:07

and back to other know who it,

30:09

whether the By Dance itself or the

30:11

tick tock the actual entity which is

30:13

a Us based company there's a Singaporean

30:16

based version in the yeah it's it's

30:18

tough to therapy Shell Cup season show

30:20

anything specific but side. You know who's

30:22

actually going to file a but clearly

30:24

someone is going to file it. You

30:27

know? there was an attempt to ban

30:29

tic toc in Montana. Ourselves and in

30:31

that case Tic Tac itself file to

30:33

to block. It was successful but also

30:35

been to users filed a claim that

30:38

the the law was violated their rights.

30:40

I wouldn't surprise me if we saw

30:42

both of those who the if there

30:44

was a corporate a lawsuit time block

30:46

this as well as a user lawsuits

30:48

time block it's high and I imagine

30:51

that will come soon. Enabled delay whatever

30:53

process you know. There's this one year

30:55

redline effectively in the bill. fum and

30:57

Apple just get put on hold while

30:59

all. Of these losses, player somewhat. Talk

31:02

about some of the winners here, because

31:04

you know I know I'm not the

31:06

first person to say this, but obviously

31:09

it it seems to me Anyway, Google,

31:11

which owns You Tube and Matter which

31:13

obviously on Facebook and Instagram and now

31:16

threads are probably super happy about this,

31:18

right? Yeah I

31:20

would think they are little Be interesting

31:23

to see where sort of Google comes

31:25

down because part of the law is

31:27

in effect of Li banning them from

31:29

allowing. Tic Toc into their app store.

31:32

And so you could see that side

31:34

of Google being worried about new laws

31:36

banning things showing up in app stores.

31:38

Men, on the other hand, I mean

31:40

there was a story I had a

31:42

remember how many years back this goes

31:45

that Mehta had this whole very advanced

31:47

lobbying program yeah, to try to destroy

31:49

Tic Toc and to really promote any

31:51

sort of anti Tic Toc stories. That

31:53

the craziest thing to me is that

31:56

if you go back again, not sure

31:58

exactly the time on them, that's a

32:00

five years this story in the the

32:02

media. The general story was that the

32:04

history had been written. The only companies

32:07

I could ever be large where Google

32:09

Mehta Amazon a matter of fact, and

32:11

that a tech and nobody would ever

32:13

be able to enter that space is

32:15

certainly not in social media. And then

32:17

offs and Tic Toc comes along effectively

32:20

out of nowhere. Gross to be massive.

32:22

Surpasses all whole bunch of other companies

32:24

on on the way, and it has

32:26

been a real threat to mete. I

32:28

mean it. The oh. You can see

32:31

that matter has copied to talk in

32:33

all sorts of ways. Instagram is increasingly

32:35

turning into a tick tock clone supply.

32:37

It's they were clearly scared and so

32:39

they set up this whole program where

32:41

personally I thought they see this use

32:43

that to fight off the he anti

32:45

trust cases I were coming their way

32:47

and saying see lucky you know it's

32:49

easy for other companies to spring up

32:51

and hurt us instead they would. They

32:53

went on this huge political campaign. They're

32:55

hired all these like political consultants and

32:57

they were pushing all these negative picked

32:59

out stories. About how you know China

33:01

bad it's evil Said They must be

33:03

thrilled. I'm sure they're hoping that this

33:05

makes tick tock tick the I off

33:08

the wall and allows Instagram to increasingly

33:10

take away Tic Tacs marketshare. Considering all

33:12

this be solved by simply passing a

33:14

an actual data privacy law. I mean,

33:16

I know folks like Zuckerberg don't want

33:18

that and I would assume people in

33:20

a Google don't want to buy keys.

33:22

access to obvious depends on who you

33:24

talk to. But yes, that should at

33:26

least solve it. A one half right.

33:29

The right to different. Right Issues that

33:31

are brought up with the data privacy

33:33

surveillance side of it's it seems fairly

33:35

obvious that the answer should be a

33:37

comprehensive data privacy bill as opposed to

33:39

a bill that literally maims tix. I

33:42

like to a six. If this is

33:44

a problem, it's a problem across the

33:46

board and we should be concerned about

33:48

that. And therefore we should have a

33:50

a real data privacy bill. And they're

33:53

actually our attempts. And there's one that

33:55

apparently has legs. The does appears to

33:57

have build the ability to move through

33:59

Congress. This year and so we could

34:01

have a real data privacy bill that

34:04

should solve that side of it. And

34:06

yeah, I don't know why this is

34:08

is a more urgent thing to do.

34:10

And then some people argue that even

34:12

with the data privacy bill speedo, deal

34:15

with the propaganda side of the question.

34:17

but again that one strikes much more

34:19

at first amendment issues and I would

34:21

argue even so, like if you had

34:23

a real data privacy bills, it also

34:26

limits the power a or whatever and

34:28

my belief limited power that any propaganda.

34:30

Would have because he couldn't targeted as

34:32

well like to talk about what the

34:34

U doing this would mean for the

34:36

internet. Overall: aren't we supposed to be the

34:38

big champion of the open internet and

34:40

had had a we yell at other

34:42

countries for banning apps if we're doing

34:44

it ourselves? Yeah and I think this

34:46

is one of the biggest problems of this

34:49

of role In or four years the

34:51

U S and like the Us State

34:53

Department has had a very clear. Strong

34:56

outgoing approach saying like he will

34:58

be open. Internet is super. Important

35:00

and condemning actions by other countries

35:02

to try and limit that are

35:04

to ban apps or to cut

35:06

off a network or to create

35:08

or is generally for to a

35:10

splinter nets and so this. Is.

35:13

Really bad method is as a surprising

35:15

that the Us government is sometimes hypocritical

35:17

as usual saying one thing and during

35:19

another. But you know it's kind of

35:22

nice when we can back up what

35:24

we say and this sort of throws

35:26

all of that out and says like

35:28

sure we believed in an open internet

35:30

until China got successful My internet therefore

35:32

her we no longer believe in it

35:34

whatsoever. However, throughout those principles and we

35:36

know is this happens all the time

35:38

I'm in China will use this and

35:40

bray about it and talk about like.

35:43

Oh you know, look at these Americans

35:45

and their deal. They were lying about

35:47

their support for the open internet. That's

35:49

not that surprising but that the more

35:51

concerning part is that other countries will

35:53

use this and start to ban apps,

35:55

are demand divestiture or whatever it might

35:58

be and say look for Us is

36:00

doing it Why can't we do Two

36:02

Aunts and the Us will have the

36:04

no moral high ground to stand on

36:06

to say like know you know this

36:08

is a a larger more important principle

36:10

to have an open internet because we've

36:12

just toss out because ono the the

36:15

app that teams used to dance is

36:17

is is a real problem here so

36:19

I think it's it's a really bad

36:21

luck and I think that the whatever

36:23

advantage it gets in terms of getting

36:25

rid of China's connection to this one

36:27

particular appetite as a lot more harm

36:30

overall in the to sort of global

36:32

discussion. yeah I just want to stay

36:34

for the record know then I know

36:36

for fact that say India would never

36:38

do this has a right to any

36:40

A did ban tic toc. Oh,

36:43

the irony. Misinformed. Yeah, so you

36:45

know that that happened a couple

36:47

years ago and it was basically

36:49

it's you know in response to

36:52

two arguments between India and China,

36:54

as I was sort of a

36:56

retaliatory measures to ban tic toc

36:58

and it was kind of. A

37:00

mess and a number of users in

37:02

India who'd been fairly successful on tix

37:04

out for really pissed off by it

37:07

because it sort of took away their

37:09

audience and there's been a bunch of

37:11

arguments in there have been might attempts

37:13

by local Indian start ups to try

37:15

and replace Tic Tacs. A bunch of

37:18

those popped up at once and almost

37:20

all of them have since come out

37:22

of business. Most of it did move

37:24

to Instagram, so again, like Mehta, you

37:26

know met a benefits from the yes

37:29

pretty clearly. but. All it did is

37:31

effectively harm upon she uses Who had

37:33

been successful in had built up big

37:35

following on Tic Toc who suddenly lost

37:37

it effectively overnight. So my last question,

37:39

which is sort of a three for

37:41

I need your answer because I'm running

37:43

low on Tommy. Need your answer to

37:45

be shorter than the question is, why

37:47

should we think this would stop with

37:49

Tic Toc? What's to prevent re elected

37:51

President Donald Trump from banning whatever apps

37:53

or website she's mad at in the

37:55

name of that security? And why don't

37:57

Democrats at least understand. This? yeah. Methods.

38:00

The really big fear here is that the

38:02

bill really does open things up that if

38:04

you have a president who wants to ban

38:06

apps, it gives a a real way for

38:08

them to do so and we should be

38:10

really scared of that and what that means

38:12

and how would be used. And I was

38:15

absolutely perfect. My thanks so much for being

38:17

here. I learned so much for reading your

38:19

staff and I am always grateful when you

38:21

gain to make an appearance on a podcast.

38:23

Thanks my See, that's great! I'm always happy

38:25

to do it. Serves.

38:28

I am so happy to a welcome

38:30

back to the new abnormal. Policy supporter

38:32

for. The Daily Beast Jake last

38:34

thoughts were in a. Talk. About often

38:37

some I don't know. That

38:40

if anybody ever tasted, I think. That

38:42

you wrote a great piece happened to

38:44

be entitled Trump's Trial is already wrecking

38:47

havoc on his campaign is So here's

38:49

the thing. Donald Trump's Attorneys You know

38:51

one of the other million things that

38:54

they try to throw at the wall

38:56

was how can Donald Trump possibly be

38:58

on trial because he's running for president

39:00

and this is gonna affect his campaign

39:03

in his ability to campaign yada yada

39:05

yada and the judges like great heating

39:07

campaign on the weekends. And

39:10

on Wednesdays. so. To talk to

39:13

us about how this is actually

39:15

really reshaped, how he's campaigning and

39:17

what you're hearing. More a crazy

39:19

rock band yeah this was that. I think

39:22

Bird Trump's real inner circle is Hop will

39:24

Be will be campaign new. Was going to

39:26

be at least a kind of restriction that

39:28

they would never have had any imagination. The

39:30

on with the for them it was going

39:32

to be substantial and easy. just get in

39:35

and out of the you know man traffic

39:37

on a weeknight and how jet all forever

39:39

he was adding the rather mobile games might

39:41

have thought that we can get him he

39:43

i want fund raisers or whatever that are

39:45

too far away but it is really proving

39:48

to be. Yeah, like a weekend warrior.

39:50

And and maybe your Wednesday's redoing a

39:52

mental health day. Or you know, like

39:54

next week he has a a doubleheader

39:57

rally scheduled in Michigan and Wisconsin. The

39:59

stuff. Stopping at a bodega and

40:01

you know kind of using it be

40:03

just the general media presence in Manhattan

40:05

to be Oh generally the some sort

40:07

of side champion appearance and you'll see

40:09

more and more back and say it's

40:11

that the from folks had sort of

40:13

seized a couple weeks ago in is

40:16

reportedly had but the we're looking at

40:18

the oh nice core of an unprecedented

40:20

ways i was getting him out there

40:22

and a non rally format and yeah

40:24

yeah be reminded that the been juicier

40:26

rallies his campaign in general for financial

40:28

reasons but that unprecedented things really. Just

40:30

a variation of him walking into the chick

40:32

fillet or what he does not your you

40:34

do you just shows up somewhere there will

40:36

be like are a pool of media alex

40:38

with and I got to at least one

40:40

camera the air or they'll just have yielded

40:42

so don't have met adds up said they're

40:44

posted up any sort of a semi stage

40:46

demand and man it's you otherwise it's just

40:49

it's what what from call it an opposing

40:51

and we have resulted in endurance sports or

40:53

after one week of these court. And he

40:55

says seats so athletic cel I can

40:57

understand. Why he's referring to an hour?

40:59

he does anything of added his whole fiorina

41:01

about people being batteries by my for

41:03

I've heard of these actor verbiage. he had

41:06

their rhythm be to begin with you be

41:08

ever did a finite amount of energy but

41:10

studies whenever they they got real just with

41:13

the sheer my time you gotta be

41:15

seated in air and there's not much else

41:17

that you can control about it beyond that.

41:19

So it's become this test of like what

41:22

kind of nice shift improvisations can the

41:24

Trump campaign mates and then really like what's

41:26

the geographic turf in terms. Of Battleground states

41:28

that are eat, Breathe and realistically hit them

41:30

pretty hard at in this period when you're

41:33

limited to Wednesday's and weekends. The funny

41:35

thing as okay so he goes into

41:37

a bodega he deli and said this

41:39

place like it isn't really about in

41:41

New York being his audience or I'd

41:44

even though he insane Li said this

41:46

week that somehow Republicans are gonna win

41:48

back New York I don't know and

41:50

what delusional state people said that and

41:52

a half an ounce it isn't but

41:54

people in New York and that the

41:57

audience. it's his ability to light. Just

41:59

had this. Yeah, go wherever he

42:01

goes and then open up. And. Spout off

42:03

right? Yeah and it is true that like

42:05

just bible to him being Donald Trump when

42:07

he if he does show up somewhere people

42:09

do like telling on what what and in

42:11

there will be more you know and insurance

42:13

seen mayor even if there are these kind

42:15

of finer such as their Put On It

42:17

or in the Harlem Bodega case that was

42:19

my the the New York Young Republicans bears

42:21

are you a younger address down in Atlanta?

42:23

Who did that? The Chick Fillet once it

42:25

is. Haven't you been? In some ways these

42:28

are if you're someone who is the or

42:30

or or younger probably and want to go

42:32

to make a name for yourself. Or you

42:34

know, whatever Canada to me or for before.

42:36

he could successfully organize one of these impromptu

42:38

visits and have a crowd that's you know,

42:40

Forty Four, Trump Sands, there's there's no one

42:43

is morning of of him with some awesome

42:45

union construction guys. those are like kind of

42:47

them bread and butter of the campaign right

42:49

now and it's really all he has aside

42:51

from the Belinda rallies to get these visuals

42:53

out there for me the Lz Village it's

42:56

basically to says to show that he still

42:58

has this poll by Obviate is it is

43:00

selective in you know how many people are

43:02

lined up. There beforehand and but I granted there

43:04

are definitely do is walk in on the street.

43:06

oh shit when uses others. A cool thing happened

43:08

in New York's Vegas Eric Adams sort of about

43:10

his femur. The city where you see anything from

43:12

Nine Eleven job of his opening your yells a

43:14

seat down Trump is like shown up to somewhere

43:17

in some corner and making a part of a

43:19

campaign or way that we just he would not

43:21

have been imaginable. and one is sixteen or twenty

43:23

twenty five. him doing the stuff you know. I

43:25

mean it's unimaginable that we are here

43:27

in multiple trials are happening at the

43:29

same time in the midst of his

43:31

presidential bid and you know and we're

43:33

all like moving along like this is

43:36

somehow normal which is absolute rule on

43:38

phones. I want to see this that

43:40

has one of the things that I

43:42

find that you know at least on

43:44

cable news so that they are talking

43:46

about is the fact that in this

43:48

court were on. Let's let's just focus

43:50

on Manhattan. Swear he has to be

43:52

where he's required to be in person.

43:55

Sees alone. His wife is not their

43:57

Milan. He is not there and I

43:59

know that you wrote and a different

44:01

story about her finally showing up on

44:04

the campaign trail. Both? How does it

44:06

weigh on you? You know as a

44:08

political reporter like all of the norms

44:10

and which are broken around this candidate.

44:13

Oh yeah, I mean I think that's

44:15

a good or some sort of commercialism

44:17

that I can apply here. From your

44:19

older campaign hands were like what you

44:21

said before that wasn't the fundamentals here

44:23

of whether being in court for you

44:26

know or has only been and to

44:28

a porn star like is be it

44:30

helps you and voters or is personalities

44:32

and from worlds there are so many

44:34

different scandals in his business has been

44:36

you know one of them exam or

44:38

live with the trial does it bring?

44:40

They were new. Hard to argue that

44:42

it does right. On disturb the cop who

44:44

sold drama side of it more me I just

44:47

appeared for this fund raiser with a log cabin

44:49

Republicans which is are you know him as a

44:51

mostly for Lgbt volume group whose members are on

44:53

the solve them identify as gay or for your

44:55

but with with a wonder we're history with a

44:58

party that arrogant kids rebel point much cheaper There

45:00

in front mynamar Lago into it was a crowd

45:02

of like sixty you know so very every mile

45:04

his return of her but it was notable that

45:07

she had someone like with Cornell next to her

45:09

who was at one point for hims and bastard

45:11

in Germany and and later he was an acting.

45:13

Or National Security official was also made in

45:16

the first openly gay cabinet member in Us

45:18

history someone my dad angling and showing that

45:20

you know he's in the good graces of

45:22

the potential next first lady is you know

45:24

are kind of a big deal and from

45:27

world but also you know it the unspoken

45:29

parties of what you said that avant garde

45:31

Don Jr. arid you know they're not out

45:33

there or that they're they're not complain Defense

45:35

in front of the courtroom. I'd had a

45:38

couple people from World talk about how you'll

45:40

It would maybe be smart of the vice

45:42

presidential candidates to get out. And mix it

45:44

up with reporters and from the core about think

45:46

any of them want that like photo op hang

45:48

around for later either. So it it is. Even

45:50

though I think we we we will become numbed

45:52

said so much of the south represents Trump's roast

45:54

of our like him being to hang out there

45:56

is no to buy me to have his eyes

45:59

and I'll have you. Ring or we want

46:01

like someone not family. Darius, you're such a

46:03

bad join somebody. you know what you should.

46:05

Even. If you know a rotating thousand

46:08

people I don't expect necessarily the same

46:10

person to be there every single day

46:12

and I think it was one of

46:14

his attorneys and their to in opening

46:16

same as it was like try to

46:18

paint him as a family man and

46:21

I was like in was fucking world

46:23

are you talking about this man being

46:25

a family man and a mountain one

46:27

member of his family sitting in this

46:29

courtroom right now as he's on trial

46:31

Because in a normal world been in

46:34

a normal criminal trial you would. Have

46:36

family members there to create

46:38

sympathy for the jurors. Yeah

46:40

it as cool anymore. that's the most tightly

46:42

held secret or the Trump campaign of like

46:45

how exactly you know they came out the

46:47

decision to have either nobody do it or

46:49

hold off or whatever. but yeah me either.

46:51

I think that's one of these the my

46:54

windows from his old they all have you

46:56

noticed you never know what other revelations to

46:58

happen in in testimony in every day. I

47:00

think the. It's. It's for them Pluto,

47:02

the appeal Don Jr and Arabs in our

47:04

yard. So wife Laura with her brother old

47:07

the are and seats me and into the

47:09

family business is definitely you know sony in

47:11

terms of there is how deeply may be

47:13

be able to gonna make sense themselves into

47:15

be like actual institution of the republican party

47:17

now and you know does adding that and

47:19

Villages on general own relieved of the friends

47:21

issue is the area of that they're the

47:24

most involved in From everything I've read and

47:26

heard so me about the situation is limited

47:28

and wholly different realm I think words that

47:30

you know it's really unclear. What she's gonna

47:32

do because steal your for sure is

47:34

sort a soft launching the whole hedge

47:36

fund. he has a minute the money

47:38

he gone from the Saudis yeah and

47:40

whatever projects with other sovereign wealth funds

47:42

that they may get involved in later

47:44

I clearly there's gonna be used. He

47:46

needs to do some sort of front

47:48

facing role for that and it can

47:50

be insulated at those some eve business

47:52

functions or whatever and yards you may

47:54

have to worry about a reporter like

47:57

shouting questions or a being spied. you

47:59

think it doesn't. The open question of like

48:01

is Sienna tried a get back in the

48:03

can be on our young surged from the

48:05

nero little self interest uninsured the campaign really

48:07

wanna deal with but that as all as

48:09

a whole thing tap answer questions about and

48:11

in it it would make the be mad

48:14

at phoenix seems you know for them from

48:16

for nothing really compare to the Bahraini be

48:18

you know much nine hundred scene when the

48:20

whole family did was car rolled out tiffany

48:22

including. Ah Louis and probably the

48:24

only time Tiffany was included an. Army

48:27

and other issues and seats the and being later

48:29

but as I mean this is a digital in

48:31

my yard as a good voice and for Tiffany

48:33

but he of and new York hilton they were

48:35

doing the election they doing any reason that was

48:38

sort of the united a show of force and

48:40

i just kind of an optic moves and trump's

48:42

be in guy who so fixated about visuals and

48:44

all bad a the best just a card he

48:46

can't play anymore I mean it demand as a

48:48

bed it took until now when you know he

48:51

and he would sort of under normal american political

48:53

we are citations you have your family so colored

48:55

about you have any just. Isn't able to

48:57

do it Then it's also just to the

48:59

be panel Like that title mood of in

49:02

for the rest of the saying where is

49:04

he as endorsers was for most people know

49:06

how your party but all these past characters

49:08

who have kind of resurfaced with a trial

49:11

It reminds you of just like how many

49:13

people and how many real but we're wants

49:15

close bombs he's burned through for that with

49:17

adding is more accurate the families case there's

49:19

left really really wrong end It would be

49:22

such as a deeply humiliating seen for any

49:24

other side the political figure but he did.

49:26

You have to wonder like out of all the

49:28

of things go on. our job. does the family

49:30

like elite and I'm alone in court will register

49:32

with anyone. I don't think that it

49:34

does because I think that he has

49:36

painted himself as like a dance. I

49:39

alone can fix their someone that when

49:41

he said that let I alone can

49:43

do these things. so he has painted

49:45

himself as as you know, magnanimous figure.

49:47

Right That is yes and bigger than

49:49

life and sell He would cast a

49:51

shadow around other people. I think that

49:54

that's like the distortion of it all

49:56

that's been create and I mean I

49:58

think and with any other. Percent

50:00

to the know arm would be your

50:02

family would be there and and any

50:04

other politician your family being a part

50:06

of the or campaign. It's not as

50:08

you running but it's the family that's

50:11

running matters. And I think that for

50:13

Donald Trump it's like so long as

50:15

his family has the levers of the

50:17

are and see you know which they

50:19

had now and ten empty the coffers.

50:21

they're like he doesn't really want or

50:23

need them by him. I want to

50:25

go back to Molony Up for a

50:27

moment because Maloney out when she was.

50:30

In the White House was not a hands on

50:32

first. Lady rarely saw her. Unless

50:34

she was putting up some type

50:36

of spooky as Christmas decorations or

50:38

interesting very nazi ask for the

50:40

you know a speech that Donald

50:42

Trump would give spite of what

50:44

I think that she'd shows the

50:46

log cabin republicans which I have

50:48

my own issues with any way

50:50

to to be like her return

50:52

I guess to. The. Spotlight the religions various

50:55

groups for the meter sexuality perspective. If you're

50:57

you're in college going through Vs as a

50:59

meter great as a top of his in

51:01

the receipts to do there have been the

51:04

most recently the Or and Cbc to statements

51:06

are distancing themselves slightly from them when when

51:08

run Mcdaniels so running things she had so

51:11

you know what a don't go there with

51:13

them in prison as being a group that

51:15

diversify the geo p and say now you

51:17

know how bible there for such of was

51:20

for the fall of the and was like

51:22

it always will be didn't. Mean anything about

51:24

actual policy or and be able to relax

51:26

and and as proof so that that's kind

51:28

of where they were left off with party

51:30

but we do have a lot of really

51:32

is wonderful people are they are also people

51:34

in general. I was there now cause yeah

51:36

we we hold of her one time managers

51:38

also have friends surrogate in a in a

51:40

delegate in that story it's just a group

51:42

in Milan yeah I had a longer standing

51:44

on board ship with a discount one only

51:46

ones that was a rounds he saw as

51:48

the old said to use a budding huge

51:51

is even even bigger picture is it is

51:53

crazy that she's battalion. Making her return

51:55

with this proves while Trump is

51:57

on trial for one of the

51:59

most. The able periods of the marriage

52:01

and with the Mcdougall affair you be or

52:03

that's a barren was born so I'm I'm

52:05

acting Ceo eighty. She never does anything unintentionally

52:07

so. I think you know we're going out

52:10

and all blacks that me but that everything's

52:12

used for a spell. What do I need?

52:14

Just basic backdrop of miss being a group

52:16

of a job he does not always the

52:18

or will he ever put at least since

52:20

Rotten Center is kind of like classical on

52:22

Am in marriage and leaves sort of these

52:24

two maybe contradictory things and you're left to

52:26

make them what you are. but she has

52:29

emotional elaborate on a. Further and morning I

52:31

definable when into before an episode as

52:33

she's hired mostly like three different teams

52:35

on or molony as she's a champion

52:37

one an outside your one a manner

52:39

that but it seemed that is an

52:41

improvement her of what from slight forty

52:43

five office team is used his post

52:46

presidency on this but it's not that

52:48

for months old associate it does have

52:50

like ellie some semblance of a collaboration

52:52

going and you know I'm not I'm

52:54

not sure if this makes any of

52:56

her appearances that could happen it down

52:58

the line in the campaign. Are gonna

53:00

like neatly aligned with whatever the campaign messages

53:02

at all and Mit to be in one

53:04

of Brazil's most unpredictable weird parts of his

53:06

whole thing. You. Know what's funny is

53:08

that like I think that one of

53:10

his packs is doling out you know,

53:13

hundreds of thousands of dollars for her

53:15

clothing. It like they are paying for

53:17

her clothing and I'm just like but

53:19

she don't appear anywhere as a support.

53:21

That might even say that like I

53:24

am, Fashion Budget is a part of

53:26

the campaign because I'm like this is

53:28

the first event she's done right. Like

53:30

is. So that's like while. Yeah and

53:32

and that he an apology. Annual fund raisers

53:35

Crazy yeah although shit She also demonstrated that

53:37

like the be released, bring him over a

53:39

million dollars within a day and we have

53:42

an ear. It's also seem to generate some

53:44

outside bugs and I'm so delighted at a

53:46

time when the campaign really really needs money

53:48

is is also servants were going out there

53:51

like a i can be of use for

53:53

this but off by up and not knows

53:55

what. I will say day is that a

53:57

million dollars is alive in that even happen.

54:00

It worked for Trump's lawyers sell at

54:02

the end of the day. For average

54:04

folks, that would be great. Beaufort somebody

54:06

that's running a fucking tab of hundreds

54:08

of millions of dollars, that's a drop

54:10

in the bucket. As always Jake, always

54:13

great to have you join us and

54:15

dish on the new abnormal. Really appreciate

54:17

you. Italy's once. And.

54:20

A Levy Daniel Movies are.

54:22

You closing our this wonderful

54:25

week and America with you

54:27

on. That guy my front

54:29

yard today is he might remember this

54:31

guy. Go bar. The Attorney General Ponder

54:34

Trump looks like a John Goodman character

54:36

on Chrome or that's that's mean to

54:38

John. That man it is. I know.

54:40

see have been going around for awhile

54:43

and he had a book out going

54:45

after Donald Trump saying things like as

54:47

he did in June about Trump. Should

54:49

we be putting someone like this forward

54:52

as the leader of the country's he

54:54

will always put his own interests to

54:56

gratify his own ego. Ahead of everything

54:58

else, including the country's interest. there's no

55:00

question about. And back when we were

55:03

talking about this and whatever, I kept

55:05

saying yeah, but he still gonna end

55:07

up voting for Trump and probably endorsing

55:09

them. And. Sure enough, Earlier

55:12

this month on Fox News Bar was

55:14

asked if he would support Trump and

55:16

he said quote I've said all along

55:18

given to bad choices. I think it's

55:20

my duty to pick the person I

55:22

think we do the We Farm to

55:24

the contrary. Trump may be playing Russian

55:26

roulette but a continuation of the by

55:28

industries in his national suicide in my

55:30

opinion. So yes, he's come out and

55:32

endorsed Trump and that would be enough

55:34

to get my fuck that guy for

55:36

this week. But then I have to

55:38

read. and because occasionally Donald Trump is

55:40

funny. I think. There's no point not

55:43

admitting that that and we set

55:45

by personal digits and he I

55:47

guess must have just heard about

55:49

this somehow. and on Wednesday night

55:51

he took a break from violating

55:54

his gag order in one of

55:56

his many trials here in New

55:58

York and he posted. Wow!

56:00

Former a Gi Bill bar who

56:02

let a lot of great people

56:04

down by not investigating voter fraud

56:07

in our country has just endorse

56:09

me for president, despite the fact

56:11

that I called him week slow

56:13

moving, lethargic, cutlass and lazy. Based

56:15

on the fact that I greatly

56:18

appreciate his whole hearted endorsement, I'm

56:20

removing the word lethargic from my

56:22

statement. Thank you Bill! And

56:27

I'm sorry that is Buddhism and

56:29

we thorny. And also exactly what

56:31

billboard deserves And you know as

56:33

loathsome is Donald Trump is and

56:36

I'm not city here saying you

56:38

know you gotta hand it to

56:40

Donald Trump Absolutely not spied. I

56:42

do enjoy the fact that built

56:44

bar sat there and pretended he

56:46

hated trump and pretended all these

56:48

things about shopper so awful and

56:51

then to pixelated as the most

56:53

we do and said that know

56:55

he was gonna vote for trump

56:57

and that's what he got for

56:59

it. From. Donald Trump and I

57:01

just didn't have that is actually beautiful

57:04

thing. So yeah, Doughboy, your my socks

57:06

Aca. I. Mean says forever

57:08

and always and that is

57:10

is emblematic of every to

57:12

Donald Trump and of the

57:14

Republican party. Right Light See

57:16

seems very little of them

57:18

and has no loud qualms

57:21

with letting everyone now and

57:23

they will still debates themselves.

57:25

Yeah, but has biden it's

57:27

so dangerous. Such a catastrophe.

57:29

I mean for different reasons

57:31

that give me a fucking.

57:33

Break out I hit Bill by. You

57:35

know what I thought was know? This

57:37

so it's tested. And

57:40

in a way. I

57:43

danielle close out this week for us. Who

57:46

is it? Who's your fuck that guy? Come

57:48

on, Come on. Who is it? Snl? Who

57:50

is it? Gets

57:53

there was a tough decision because

57:55

like everyone is testing my fucking

57:57

nerves this week and they are

57:59

afraid. Right? I gotta

58:01

hand it to the Republicans

58:03

in Tennessee Boy, because you

58:05

want to talk about people

58:07

who give zero fucks about

58:09

their constituency, who give zero

58:11

fucks about their jobs, Who

58:13

give zero fucks about the

58:15

children in that state. Can

58:17

C A B O Remember

58:20

last year experiences States according

58:22

to the New York Times:

58:24

Deadly: A school Shooting Deadly.

58:26

A school shooting and there

58:28

were protests. March is. The

58:30

people of Tennessee saying that something needs

58:32

to be done. You. Know

58:34

we need to protect our children

58:37

like we need to regulate guns

58:39

in the state, like it's too

58:41

easy to accessible. You've seen the

58:44

Republicans turn the police on these

58:46

protesters. You've seen them throw mother

58:48

is out for holding up signs

58:50

in hearings, You've seen them forcefully

58:53

clear out the gallery in the

58:55

state house. But nothing says fuck

58:57

you to the people in Tennessee

58:59

like the decision that they just

59:02

made in the house which is

59:04

to allow. Teachers and administrators

59:06

to carry concealed fucking hand

59:08

guns in schools because of

59:10

what exactly. I just want

59:12

to remind folks that in

59:14

Texas where the horrific you've

59:16

all the school shooting took

59:18

place the often they're more

59:20

officers inside that were armed

59:22

because that was another bill

59:24

that Greg Abbott and past

59:26

because their logic is oh

59:28

but a good guy with

59:30

a gun will stop a

59:32

bad guy with a. Dan Price

59:35

like that old bullshit sang and

59:37

you know what happened. A bunch

59:39

of fucking children were slaughtered. Oh

59:41

not to mention all of the

59:43

cops that were outside that also

59:46

had done that didn't do anything

59:48

because you see the real thing

59:50

that happens when you add more.

59:52

Gone soon already volatile situation is

59:54

more deaths will occur. What's to

59:57

stop? A teacher administrator? Now what

59:59

A fight breaks out in a

1:00:01

school which they inevitably deal. You.

1:00:03

Going to pull out a gun on

1:00:06

kids rolling around on the ground? What's

1:00:08

to stop a kid from being able

1:00:10

to disarm a teacher who has id

1:00:12

asians of wanted to shoot up the

1:00:15

school. Let. Me tell you something

1:00:17

speeds up in people want mayhem,

1:00:20

they want chaos. that one guy

1:00:22

in despair that is their peers.

1:00:24

And so for the people in

1:00:27

Tennessee. Be. Some

1:00:29

gather them the fuck up. Before.

1:00:31

They cause more death and

1:00:33

destruction. Still, for that reason,

1:00:35

the entire Republican party that

1:00:37

is overseeing Tennessee right now.

1:00:39

You are my fuck that

1:00:41

guy. Fuck all. Y'all he

1:00:43

i feel if we talked about

1:00:46

as before but man Tennessee republicans

1:00:48

really just spin out doing themselves

1:00:50

or to feels like month after

1:00:52

month doesn't. Yeah, month after month

1:00:54

and then Arizona's like hold my beer

1:00:56

because I'm a take this shit back

1:00:58

to the nineteenth century. What? you got.

1:01:01

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1:01:05

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