How do we talk about race? How should we? And how do we hold healing, constructive dialogues about race when we come from different racial identities and experiences?

Yseult Polfliet Mukantabana and Hannah Summerhill are the hosts of the award-winning podcast, Kinswomen, which was named Best Podcast of 2020 by Elle, Cosmopolitan, and Marie Claire. After meeting at an event about race in January 2019 in New York City, Yseult and Hannah decided to take their passion for constructive cross-racial dialogues to a broader audience.

They are the authors of the book, Real Friends Talk About Race: Bridging the Gaps Through Uncomfortable Conversations.

In this interview, Yseult, Hannah, and Dave reflect on…

• The emotional labor—and potential retraumatization—when writing about race and racism as a person from a marginalized identity
• Specific techniques to becoming a better friend and human in relationship to others’ identities of historical marginalization
• How Yseult and Hannah keep finding the energy and passion to teach healthy, cross-racial dialogues—even though the attention of “allies” may be moving on

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