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This is a Global Player

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original podcast. I really think

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this is time now for everybody, our

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country, to come together. We want to come together,

0:13

whether it's Republican or Democrat or liberal

0:15

or conservative, it would be so nice

0:17

if we could come together

0:19

and straighten out the world and straighten

0:21

out the problems and straighten out all

0:23

of the death and destruction that we're

0:25

witnessing that's practically never been

0:27

like this. It's just so important and

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I want to make that a very big part of

0:32

our message. We're going to come together. It's going to

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happen soon too. So lovely to

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hear. That's the wellness guru, previously known

0:38

as Donald Trump, high on what

0:40

I can only assume was a large dose of

0:43

temazepan after an extraordinary

0:45

victory overnight in

0:48

Iowa. I want to sing kumbaya. I

0:50

think we should link hands. Yeah, link

0:52

hands, hold hands and all sing kumbaya

0:54

with that person who brings people together,

0:57

Donald Trump. It's important what

0:59

he said last night because it was a

1:01

stonking victory in Iowa. There hasn't been one

1:03

like it, but it

1:06

also means that Donald Trump

1:08

is already running for the

1:10

presidential election in November because

1:12

he thinks the primary campaign

1:14

is done, that Nikki Haley,

1:16

Rhonda Santis, Vivek Ramaswamy have

1:18

been put to the sword

1:20

and cannot touch him. So

1:22

Donald Trump is already on

1:25

his victory lap. Welcome to News

1:27

Agents USA. It's

1:35

Jon. It's Emily. And

1:38

I have to admit that I did last night

1:40

in a way I've never done before with

1:42

a Bluetooth sleep

1:45

mask. So I had... Hang

1:47

on. What's that? Well,

1:49

I literally had the Iowa results on

1:51

NBC right through the night, but

1:54

nobody else could hear them. So

1:57

I was pretending to be asleep.

2:00

sleep mask gives you weight but does play you every

2:02

single election result. Honestly it's the way forward. And

2:04

so weirdly, alarmingly, it all

2:06

happened rather too quickly for the sleep mask because

2:09

it took 31 minutes, right? I mean

2:11

it's a very weird thing because it's not like having

2:13

the polls open at 8 and shut at 8

2:15

p.m. In Iowa at

2:17

the caucuses they open kind of at 6

2:20

o'clock and they start the debates and talks

2:22

and everything and then basically by 8 o'clock

2:24

people have given their vote and you get

2:26

the results like that. So

2:28

within 31 minutes they

2:30

were already calling it, which essentially means

2:34

deciding it, for Donald Trump. And

2:37

Iowa is a state that has thrown

2:39

up an awful lot of surprises in

2:41

the past. It's where shocks happen. We've

2:43

talked about it before on the podcast

2:46

about, you know, Rick Santorum winning in

2:48

2012 and, you know, Mike Huckabee and

2:50

Ted Cruz in 2016.

2:52

It's where the shocks happen, the

2:55

races are always tight, this was

2:57

not tight. And that's why the

2:59

network felt able to call the

3:02

result for Donald Trump in

3:04

such a record short amount of time

3:06

because he had got more votes than

3:08

any of his competitors put together. He'd

3:10

also won in 98 of the 99

3:13

counties of Iowa,

3:16

the only one that bucked the trend

3:18

was Johnson County, which is where the

3:20

University of Iowa is, and there he

3:22

lost to Nikki Haley by one vote.

3:25

And that in a way kind of...

3:27

No, I'm joking that, but I'm probably

3:29

not. But he probably will. But it

3:31

underlines just how far away Nikki

3:33

Haley and Ron DeSantis were from

3:37

Donald Trump last night in trying

3:39

to get even close. And this

3:41

is a conservative evangelical

3:44

state like no other where Donald Trump

3:46

historically would have been expected to do

3:48

badly. Last night he swept the

3:50

board and in all the key demographics as well. Yeah,

3:53

let's break that down for you. So Donald Trump got

3:55

51% of the votes. This is Republican

3:58

voters only obviously. 51% the

4:01

vote. Next up in

4:03

second place critically was Ronda Santis

4:05

who got 22% which

4:08

is shy of 22%. Nikki Haley

4:11

came in third just behind him so

4:13

those two very closely matched on 19% and

4:16

Vivek Ramaswami kind of coming up at the end on

4:19

around sort of eight and a half eight to

4:21

nine percent. But it's interesting you say all

4:24

the core demographics Trump won because somebody

4:26

explained it to me is who

4:28

was Trump's constituency last night? It was all

4:30

the people who voted against abortion and then

4:32

it was all the people who

4:35

voted with abortion. It was kind of like

4:37

whoever, whoever he had got them in the

4:39

palm of his hand. The

4:41

only thing I'd say I guess is

4:44

that yes it's a massive victory for Donald Trump on

4:46

51% of the vote but

4:49

you can turn the whole thing round and say

4:51

essentially he was the de

4:54

facto incumbent. No one

4:56

else had been president. Anyone previously

4:59

who had been president has

5:01

fought that uncontested so you can

5:03

turn it around actually and say

5:05

to only have the

5:07

support of half your party when

5:09

you have already been in office

5:12

as president is not quite the

5:14

victory that many people are sort

5:16

of seeing it as today. Okay I'm going to

5:18

agree with you and then I'm going to disagree with

5:20

you violently. There's going to be violence in the studio.

5:23

Agreeing with you and it was also worth

5:25

pointing out that compared to 2016 when Trump

5:29

lost turnout was way down

5:32

so in 2016 189,000 Republicans voted in

5:34

the state

5:38

primary in the caucus in Iowa. Last night

5:40

it was a hundred and ten thousand. That's

5:42

a massive drop in percentage terms. Yeah but

5:45

I think 2016 was incredibly

5:47

high. If you look at the median 2016 was

5:50

also above that ridge turnout. So you didn't get

5:52

anything like the same turnout that there was in

5:54

2016. Your line

5:56

about incumbency I don't think is

5:58

correct. lost the 2020 election.

6:02

So he was never going to

6:04

run unopposed. There has never

6:06

been a victory like it in

6:08

Iowa caucus history that someone has

6:10

won by such a colossal margin.

6:12

But the idea that Trump is

6:15

going to face a serious challenge

6:17

now from Haley or

6:19

DeSantis, where actually it was

6:21

bad for DeSantis, but

6:23

it wasn't that bad that it knocks

6:26

him out of the race. So Nikki

6:28

Haley is still going to run against

6:30

him. And it was good for Haley,

6:32

but not so good that she can

6:34

say, I've got massive momentum that will

6:36

take me on to New Hampshire next.

6:38

So if you define this stage of

6:40

the race as winning the Republican nomination,

6:42

oh my God, Trump had the perfect

6:44

night. He's got the Republican nomination pretty

6:46

much 99.99 recurring percent

6:48

in the bag. I think we can safely say

6:51

that here. Oh, I'm not going to agree with

6:53

that. Okay. I think 95%.

6:55

Okay. Okay. I think he's probably

6:58

at this point, unbudgetable.

7:00

But I think the point you make, which

7:03

is that he lost the election, which

7:05

we all know, which kind of same

7:07

people know that he actually has lost

7:09

a lot of elections recently, not just

7:11

in 2020, but his part in the

7:13

midterms hasn't been particularly impressive either. But

7:17

what he has done in

7:19

Iowa is convinced 66%, two

7:22

thirds of those polled, this is

7:24

a Des Moines Register NBC poll, that

7:26

he didn't lose, that he won the election.

7:28

And we often talk about Iowa being full

7:30

of evangelicals. And

7:33

by that we mean in the very literal sense, they

7:35

are evangelical Christians who go to

7:37

church, who believe in conservative values,

7:39

obviously, for the main part, very

7:41

anti-abortion. But I also think there is

7:43

a streak of what you

7:45

might call evangelism in the figurative

7:47

sense of the word, which is

7:50

that people are more open

7:52

to believing things. And when you

7:54

get somebody like God or

7:56

Donald Trump, I think my point

7:58

is that there is in Iowa. were, for

8:00

some people, a blaring of the

8:02

lines. They think Trump is heaven sent.

8:05

They think that if he decides that

8:07

he has won the election of

8:09

2020 and they are people of faith, people

8:13

of God, people of faith, they will

8:15

believe it. So, you know, this is

8:17

not representative still of the country. We

8:19

should really, really stress that. It is

8:22

not representative of the country in

8:24

the sense that, A, the

8:26

demographic is particularly white, particularly

8:28

Christian, evangelical. But

8:31

I think it also means that when you

8:33

look at the whole scale, 51% of

8:35

them supported

8:37

Donald Trump, 49% of his

8:39

party do not think he

8:41

should be the candidate, even

8:43

though he's already done the

8:45

job before that he's now

8:47

auditioning for. But a lot of other

8:49

races have been far, far tighter than that.

8:51

I mean, I accept all of that. And

8:54

it's a really interesting point about the difference

8:56

between evangelicals and evangelism. And it has been

8:58

one of the things that shocked me most

9:00

in America. And I remember being in Orlando

9:02

when Trump launched the 2020 election campaign, and

9:05

there was a big Trump rally where he

9:07

was announcing it. And people seriously saying to

9:09

me in the Vox Pops that I did

9:11

before the thing that Donald Trump has been

9:13

sent here by God. And you just think,

9:15

you just have to keep a very straight

9:18

face. It's just a

9:20

different culture. Because thinking of Trump

9:23

as God-like is, I find a bit of a

9:25

struggle. Just I'm saying a tiny bit of a

9:27

struggle. But going back to what happens next, which

9:29

is New Hampshire. And this is where I kind

9:31

of said, I disagree that it's 99.99. I think

9:34

it's 95%. I think there

9:37

is a path that is narrow,

9:39

and it is steep for Nikki

9:41

Haley, whereby New

9:43

Hampshire, much more

9:45

college educated, suburbs, independent minded,

9:47

very, very different state from

9:49

Iowa, she wins New Hampshire.

9:52

Then you've got a month gap until South

9:55

Carolina. If she was able to do

9:57

the impossible, near impossible, I'm going to be able to do it. of

10:00

winning both New Hampshire and South Carolina. And South

10:02

Carolina was the state where she used to be

10:04

governor. You can start

10:07

to see the sense of invincibility,

10:09

that shield around Donald Trump will

10:11

have been pierced. The money will

10:13

pile in, questions will be

10:15

raised, and suddenly the king doesn't look

10:18

so sure on his throne. And I

10:20

think that is the possibility. It's narrow,

10:22

it's steep, but I think it's not

10:25

yet totally out of the question. My

10:27

prediction is that she wins New Hampshire

10:29

next week and that we all start

10:32

jumping around, yeah, exactly, doing our little

10:34

Nikki Haley rain dance. And then,

10:36

as you said, there is this month gap. It's

10:38

really, really hard to keep that

10:40

momentum up, particularly as you've said,

10:43

New Hampshire is such an outrider.

10:45

We think of Iowa as an

10:47

outrider, but New Hampshire is almost

10:49

the molecular opposite. It's got the

10:51

fewest evangelicals, the most highly

10:53

secondary educated population in the country.

10:56

It is not representative. So she

10:58

could win New Hampshire, wait

11:00

a month, and then still have

11:02

a really difficult time in her

11:04

home state. We were there just

11:06

before Christmas, in November, and

11:09

actually even people there who love and

11:11

support her would prefer to

11:13

have Trump as their nominee. So I

11:15

still think the battle remains. But I

11:17

think we should spare a thought for

11:19

the other two candidates, because, darling old

11:21

Ron DeSantis. Now, Ron DeSantis,

11:23

let's not forget, because I found myself

11:26

actually doing just that, he's still a

11:28

sitting governor. He's a sitting governor of

11:30

Florida, but he's basically decamped to Iowa.

11:32

He's famously made it his ground base.

11:35

He's been around all 99 precincts trying

11:38

to rally support. He's

11:40

joked about it being almost a sitcom

11:43

where he's moved to the snowy part

11:45

of America, whilst he's still meant

11:47

to be governing Florida, right? And

11:49

having done his ground game, having laid

11:52

down his millions, having tried to win

11:54

over Iowa, he's only actually

11:56

emerged two points ahead of Nikki Haley, who

11:58

was, as we said, lost. episode, slag

12:00

the people of Iowa off. And he

12:02

has spent the equivalent expenditure of the

12:05

GDP of a kind of small country

12:07

in trying to win Iowa. And so

12:09

you've got to listen to Nikki

12:12

Haley and Ron DeSantis whistling to

12:14

keep their spirits up last night

12:16

in Des Moines, where they were

12:18

trying to present what was a

12:20

pretty humiliating defeat as something very

12:23

positive. Well, DeSantis will

12:25

tell you exactly who thought it is. Just listen to

12:27

the tone here. We

12:31

love you too. They threw everything but

12:33

the kitchen sink at us. They

12:36

spent almost 50 million dollars

12:39

attacking us. No one's faced that

12:41

much all the way just through

12:43

Iowa. They, the media, was against

12:46

us. They were writing our obituary

12:48

months ago. They

12:52

even called the election before people

12:54

even got a chance to vote. But

13:00

they were just so excited

13:03

about the fact that they were

13:05

predicting that we wouldn't be

13:07

able to get our ticket punched

13:09

here out of Iowa. But I can tell

13:11

you because of your support, in spite of

13:13

all of that that they threw at us,

13:16

everyone against us, we've

13:18

got our ticket punched out of Iowa.

13:22

And this is Nikki Haley

13:25

trying to suggest that it's

13:28

a two horse race in a

13:30

race where she has just come third.

13:36

I can safely say tonight

13:40

Iowa made this Republican

13:42

primary a two person race.

13:50

Now, I just sat down with a back of an

13:52

envelope calculation. She spent 37 million

13:54

pounds in

13:56

Iowa on her campaign. She got

13:58

21,000. And eighty

14:01

five votes. Which I think means

14:03

the pressure off of autumn of

14:05

one thousand seven hundred and sixty

14:07

five dollars while out of his

14:09

out it's taken the check. Our

14:11

votes. You don't worry about advertising

14:13

a check into my first apartment.

14:15

Elissa The Ice It's amazing Citizen

14:18

the money that goes. I mean

14:20

you can see what advertises from

14:22

the political class. Work. Hand

14:24

in glove in elections because the money

14:26

that could spend on Tv spots. I

14:28

mean you know, in the run up

14:30

to elections in contested states and they

14:32

get spend on the most minor races

14:35

as well. And just millions and millions

14:37

and millions in Tv ads. Which just

14:39

as who turned off. Soap Facility I

14:41

mean when you look at it and in the

14:43

whole and I know we disagree about this but

14:45

I would say that trump obviously the victors the

14:47

night but in some senses. Still the

14:49

loser because. He. Ran as

14:52

a Quasar incumbent and only got

14:54

half the votes. Rhonda Santas definitely

14:56

a loser because he completely the

14:58

camps and still and he got

15:00

enough a fifth of the vote.

15:03

Nikki Haley. Comes. In third

15:05

place. I'm going to say the winner of the

15:07

night bizarre on a case to V that. From

15:09

a saw me because the that came from. Nowhere

15:12

no one had heard of

15:14

this man six months ago,

15:16

until he became the sort of

15:18

really annoying fly in the

15:20

debates. He's created this name

15:22

and a. Suit of bus to himself.

15:25

To a point where he's getting eight

15:27

to nine percent of a vote in

15:29

a place let Iowa which is deeply

15:31

white, deeply evangelicals, not really into the

15:33

tech bro that he so represents an

15:35

Etsy. he got a call out from

15:37

Trump as well. In some ways, the

15:39

this is the one who's. It

15:41

is gain the but he's done as eight points of gave.

15:43

Right when nobody else was that she traveled

15:46

that far as of this moment, We

15:48

are going to suspend this presidential

15:50

campaign. And this

15:52

is going to have to be. there

15:55

is no pass for me to be

15:57

the next president absent thing that we

15:59

don't want to see happen in this

16:02

country. And

16:04

I think that I am very worried

16:06

for our country. I

16:09

think we are skating on thin ice as

16:11

a nation. We

16:13

have done everything in our part to

16:16

make and done, every one of us in this room has

16:18

done our part to save this country.

16:20

And I am so proud of every one of you

16:22

who have lifted us up but

16:25

we're a campaign founded on the truth. And so that's why we've

16:27

made that decision today. And

16:30

I'm also making the decision that this has to

16:32

be an America

16:34

First candidate in that White House. As

16:37

I've said since the beginning, there are two America First

16:40

candidates in this race. And earlier

16:42

tonight I called Donald Trump to tell

16:44

him that I congratulated

16:46

him on his victory and

16:49

now going forward he will have

16:51

my full endorsement for the presidency. And I

16:53

think we're going to do the right thing

16:55

for this country. When

16:57

Donald Trump wins the 2024 election there's a place

16:59

for Vivek around the cabinet table. No

17:02

doubt about it. He was nice to Trump, loyal

17:04

to Trump, tried to be a bro with Trump

17:06

and so that will set him in good stead.

17:09

I think running maybe the tech

17:12

department, the election interference department. Whatever

17:15

it will be, there will be a job for him. Haley

17:18

and the scientist Trump was conciliatory to last night

17:20

as if to say guys, you put

17:22

up a good fight but it's over, why don't you get out of the way.

17:26

And that's a good night for Trump. In

17:28

terms of expectation of what he could have hoped for, yes

17:33

we can talk about the past record of previous

17:36

midterms and since 2016 elections lost. In

17:39

terms of last night it was a

17:41

stunning victory for Donald Trump. And

17:43

just before we go on I think we should spare a thought for the Democrats

17:46

because they will probably

17:48

be quite pleased to see such

17:50

a definitive answer to

17:53

their opposition number. I

17:55

don't think they would have wanted to fight Nikki

17:57

Haley. I think that makes it a much slimmer.

18:00

a chance now for all the reasons we've talked

18:02

about. If Donald Trump is saying,

18:04

right, here's the gauntlet, let's talk about

18:06

the campaign, the Democrats are now saying,

18:08

bring it on, we'll fight you as

18:10

the nominee, as the candidate, not

18:13

as the defendant in court. I

18:15

think some Democrats are thinking that.

18:17

I think a lot of Democrats

18:19

are absolutely frigging terrified about the

18:21

prospect of Biden up against

18:23

Trump, because for all the reasons that

18:26

we have discussed before, his age, incapacity,

18:28

inability to get message across in the

18:30

clear, concise way, getting no dividend for

18:32

the way that the US economy is

18:34

bouncing back, all the Americans

18:37

seeming very angry about the state of the

18:39

US economy. I think there's a lot of

18:41

concerns still about Biden. Yeah, I think that's

18:43

right, but it's still easier. I tell you

18:45

what, I saw someone at the end of

18:48

last week who watches US politics extremely closely

18:50

with a very, very good vantage

18:53

point, who was saying, still wouldn't

18:55

be surprised if Biden

18:58

very late in the day pulls

19:00

out just before the convention in

19:02

August. That means that Kamala

19:04

Harris has zero standing in the convention,

19:06

so the party is under no obligation

19:08

to her. The superdelegates come together

19:11

and work like the old union barons of

19:13

old at Labour Party conference, where they hold

19:15

up their hands and say, I've got one

19:17

and a million votes, I've got a million

19:19

votes, I'm from the GMB, and that there

19:21

is a stitch-up of a candidate who

19:24

can run. The danger of that is, of

19:26

course, you've got a new person, no campaign

19:28

infrastructure on the ground. If he pulls the

19:30

bridge out, my taking would

19:32

be that if there was something really gallant

19:34

to be done, it lies with Kamala Harris.

19:36

That if she decided for the good of the

19:39

country, and actually whoever decides their own prospects for

19:41

the good of the country, but if she decided

19:44

to pull away from the vice presidency and

19:46

leave the door open to somebody else, I

19:48

think having somebody else on the ticket that

19:50

Democrats, Americans liked, felt favourable to, would

19:53

massively boost Biden's chances. The other thing that was

19:55

said to me, which again, I thought was kind

19:57

of really telling, was this person

20:00

said to me the only person that

20:02

can tell Joe Biden to get out

20:04

of the race and to spend more time with the

20:06

grandchildren is Dr. Jill Biden, his wife.

20:09

Well she was the one that told him to get into it in the beginning. And

20:11

Jill Biden really likes being first lady and she ain't gonna

20:14

do it. That's what he said. We'll

20:16

be back in a second with someone

20:18

who has run against Donald Trump, Republican

20:22

and no big fan. The

20:32

News Agent USA. Well

20:35

joining us now is former Congressman

20:37

Joe Walsh. Now Joe Walsh

20:39

stood against Donald Trump, took him on if

20:41

you like for the 2020 nomination.

20:44

Obviously Trump was the incumbent

20:47

and he went on to lose that election

20:49

as we all know. But Congressman

20:51

Walsh looking at where we are tonight it

20:54

seems like his party haven't

20:57

let it go. Hey good

20:59

to be with you both. Look

21:01

this this thing is over. This

21:03

this race, this Republican race for

21:05

president was always over. I'm no

21:07

fan of Donald Trump's. I think

21:10

he's an existential threat to our

21:12

democracy but the Republican Party is

21:15

his. Nobody

21:17

can compete with him and

21:19

it's gonna be Trump versus Biden. We ought

21:21

to get on with that now and Trump

21:24

has a decent chance of winning. So

21:26

when you's here Donald Trump as he

21:28

was last night saying we've got to

21:30

come together as a nation and

21:32

we've got to hold hands across the aisle

21:34

whether you're liberal or conservative or Republican or

21:37

Democrat. I mean Emily described him at the

21:39

start of the podcast that sounded like a

21:41

wellness guru. Do you buy any of it?

21:44

No Trump's who he is. He

21:46

can't change. He won't change. That

21:48

was a good tone to strike.

21:50

Look what he wants is he

21:52

wants Haley and DeSantis to get

21:54

out and they ought

21:56

to get out. They have absolutely

21:59

no shot. to be the

22:01

nominee. We're trying to make this a

22:03

race. We've been trying to make it

22:05

a race in this country for the last six

22:07

months. It's not a race.

22:09

And Trump knows that, and he's anxious

22:11

to get on and get after Biden.

22:14

Wait, Joe, have you changed your tune?

22:16

No. Because you've just described him as

22:18

an existential threat. I mean, does he

22:20

have your backing now? God, no, no, no. This

22:23

is just me, the pundit

22:25

talking. Right. I despise Donald Trump.

22:27

I am going to do everything

22:29

I can to make sure he

22:32

loses in November. I think

22:34

that if he's elected, I worry that

22:36

our democracy can stand. But

22:38

what I'm telling you is what I tell

22:41

everybody in America, and I've been saying it

22:43

for a long time. The Republican

22:45

Party is his. I acknowledge that.

22:47

I left the party because there's

22:49

no room for people like me.

22:52

That's all. One man can't

22:55

do it on his own. What

22:57

Donald Trump has achieved, he's done

22:59

with enablers and people who didn't

23:01

mind being complicit with his lies.

23:04

And if you look at the kind of polling

23:06

in Iowa, 66% of

23:09

people believe, have been led to

23:11

believe, that he won the

23:13

election that we know he lost. So

23:16

I guess my question is, your

23:18

fight has to be with way more

23:20

than just Donald Trump. It has to

23:22

be with Kevin McCarthy, with Mitch McConnell,

23:24

with all the people who got rid

23:26

of Liz Cheney, with all those who

23:29

basically decided that power was more important

23:31

than election integrity. Now,

23:33

my fight's not with them, only because,

23:35

look, they already sold their soul. There's

23:37

nothing I can do about Matt Gaetz

23:40

and Jim Jordan and Marjorie Taylor Greene,

23:42

all of my former colleagues. They

23:45

sold their soul. My fight

23:47

is with the American voters.

23:49

Look, Republican voters believe

23:51

that Trump won in 2020. They

23:54

don't believe January 6 was a

23:56

bad day. I agree with you

23:58

that this is way bigger. than Trump,

24:01

it's the entire party.

24:03

My former political party

24:05

has become completely radicalized.

24:08

He's going to be difficult to stop.

24:10

So my fight is with voters this

24:12

year. So, okay, you say he's

24:15

going to be difficult to stop. Let's drill

24:17

into that a bit. Because in the 2020

24:19

election, the reason that

24:21

Biden won handsomely is

24:23

that he managed to pick

24:26

up white college-educated women, the

24:28

suburbs, independents, liberal Republicans, who

24:30

just thought, enough of

24:32

Trump, we can't have this noise anymore.

24:36

Does Biden still get those people

24:38

when people have concerns over the economy,

24:40

over the Biden administration, and over

24:43

Joe Biden himself and his age?

24:45

I'll add one nuance to what you said. Biden

24:48

didn't win by a lot. Biden

24:50

won by just a few thousand votes

24:52

in the electoral college. It

24:55

was a very close election. To

24:58

your point, look, my

25:00

former Republican Party is batshit

25:03

crazy. Democrats

25:05

though have their issues. Joe Biden

25:07

is old. The American people right

25:09

now don't believe in him. They

25:11

don't believe that the economy has

25:13

turned around. Trump last

25:15

night in Iowa, this scares the

25:17

hell out of me. He actually

25:20

did better with people with

25:22

a college degree. That's

25:24

always been his biggest weak spot.

25:27

So I think this notion of

25:29

Donald Trump as the most persecuted

25:31

person in the world, that's

25:33

resonating with people beyond just

25:36

his base. It's scary. So

25:38

how do you take your fight, you

25:40

said, to the American voter? I mean, what does that look

25:43

like? I think Joe, and

25:45

you two may disagree with me.

25:47

I think Joe Biden wins by

25:49

saying exactly what I'm saying right

25:51

now and saying it over and

25:53

over and over. This man

25:56

is a threat to our democracy. He's

25:58

the only president in America. American

26:00

history who lost an election

26:02

and tried to overthrow that

26:04

election. But Joe, you know

26:06

what's happening is that Donald

26:08

Trump is mirror imaging, parroting

26:10

those words back to his

26:12

supporters and saying Joe Biden's a

26:15

threat to democracy and they just

26:17

believe him. Yes, but remember in

26:20

2022, this is

26:22

what Joe Biden said the last

26:24

three or four months of the

26:26

campaign, the whole Trump is a

26:28

threat to democracy thing and

26:30

it worked because we held off a

26:33

red wave. Here's what I know. If

26:35

there's one thing I want you two

26:37

to understand, it's this. There

26:40

are more people in this

26:42

country who oppose Trump than

26:44

support him. Now they may

26:46

not vote, but there are

26:48

more people in this country who

26:50

oppose him. Joe Biden's job is

26:52

to get them out and he

26:54

needs to scare the hell out

26:56

of them about how dangerous Donald Trump

26:59

is. That's the only way he wins. Joe,

27:02

you said something interesting at the outset that

27:04

people have just got to accept that it

27:06

is Trump versus Biden this November. Do you

27:09

think there are, I mean, I still kind of

27:11

play with the idea that something's going to happen

27:13

and not just an act of God.

27:16

If you were an actress, if you were an

27:18

insurer, you'd have to say that's

27:20

possible when one's 81 and

27:22

one has lived on a diet of cheeseburgers his

27:24

whole life. Do you still think there's possibility that

27:26

something will happen that will lead Trump to pull

27:29

out of the race or Biden to pull out

27:31

of the race? Yes, I think the

27:33

only thing that could happen is if one of them

27:35

did die. Truthfully, that's

27:37

possible. I don't think

27:40

any of Trump's legal problems

27:42

impact him staying in the

27:44

race. He could be

27:46

convicted, he could be put in

27:48

jail, and most Republican voters will

27:51

still support him. So that's not

27:53

going to change anything. So barring

27:55

one of them dying, it's going

27:57

to be these two. You

28:00

just said that more people in

28:03

America don't want Donald Trump to

28:05

be president, but it's basically Joe

28:07

Biden versus the sofa, right?

28:10

I mean, how do you get people out?

28:12

Bingo. And look,

28:14

I'm very pro-Israel. I like the fact

28:16

that Biden has stood by Israel, but

28:18

that's pissed off a lot of young

28:21

people in America, and it's pissed off

28:23

the left. So right now,

28:25

the left is unhappy with Joe Biden for

28:27

a lot of reasons. But

28:29

remember this. The polls

28:31

right now show that Trump is up

28:33

over Biden. But Democrats,

28:35

and I'm not a Democrat, Democrats

28:38

aren't really engaged yet. Republicans

28:40

have a race. Democrats don't have a

28:42

race. So Democrats haven't

28:45

really begun to focus yet. I

28:47

think last night in Iowa is waking

28:49

up a lot of Democrats, and they

28:51

woke up this morning and said, Oops,

28:55

I caught myself. Oh my God,

28:57

Donald Trump is going to be the

29:00

Republican nominee. I think the more that

29:02

settles... Look, I'll be honest, Joe

29:05

Biden's 181 years old. He's

29:08

not going to excite anybody. What

29:10

will get Democrats out to vote

29:12

is Donald Trump, period. Do

29:14

you think that there was any

29:16

way that Nikki Haley or

29:19

Ron DeSantis or anyone else could have

29:21

played it differently? No. So

29:23

it's not their campaigns. It was just the impossibility of

29:25

the task. You, my friend, raise

29:27

a great point. I know

29:29

Ron DeSantis well. He's a horrible candidate.

29:32

He's weird with people. Nikki

29:34

Haley can't be trusted. She's all

29:37

over the map. Neither one

29:39

of them actually ran against Trump.

29:41

But to your point, they

29:44

were both on an impossible road. This

29:47

is Trump's party. Imagine

29:49

me, Joe Walsh or Liz Cheney, running

29:51

against Trump. And

29:53

I mean attacking Trump. We

29:55

have no constituency in the Republican Party.

29:58

There's no anti-Trump party. Trump Lane

30:01

in this Republican Party. So as you

30:03

said, they really had an impossible mission

30:06

to begin with. Jay Walsh, what a

30:08

pleasure. Thanks for talking to us. Thank

30:10

you so much. You guys are the

30:12

best. Well, come back anytime. Come back.

30:15

Anytime. Love ya. See you soon.

30:17

Bye. The News

30:19

Agents USA with Emily Maitless and

30:21

John Sople. The

30:26

News Agents USA. I'm

30:31

going to speak now because Emily has got

30:33

a mouthful of sweeties or kanji if we

30:35

were talking to our American audience, as is

30:37

her won't. New Hampshire is

30:39

where the circus goes next, except for

30:41

Rhonda Santis, who's absolutely given up on

30:44

New Hampshire altogether and has gone straight to

30:46

South Carolina. Wise. Probably very

30:49

wise. There we're going to

30:51

see Nikki Haley try to get

30:53

some purchase, get some momentum and

30:55

see if she can forge a

30:57

win that will be the building

30:59

block to other wins along the road.

31:01

Can I ask you something? If he's not there, is

31:04

his name still on the ballot? Yeah. But

31:06

he can write the win. He's going to

31:08

be like Biden in 2020 when he came

31:10

fifth and went straight to South Carolina afterwards.

31:12

So the only tiny missing piece of the

31:14

jigsaw now is the Chris Christie support, right?

31:17

Chris Christie pulled out of

31:19

the race just before Iowa, still

31:21

hasn't said where his

31:23

supporters should throw their weight, i.e.

31:25

who's endorsing. Everyone's expecting,

31:27

pretty much everyone's expecting it to be Nikki

31:29

Haley. I think the likelihood

31:32

is that if she looks as if

31:34

she's going to win, he'll jump on the bandwagon

31:36

and go, yeah, I support Nikki Haley. And

31:38

if he decides now that she's a bit of a

31:40

loser because she came third, he'll just keep his mouth

31:42

shut. But that would be un-Chris Christie-like. I mean, he's

31:44

got a big mouth. He likes to kind of shout

31:46

and he likes to be heard and he's got a

31:48

nego. So I would have thought he will come out.

31:50

I mean, what else can he do if he

31:53

wants to stop Trump? Nikki Haley is

31:55

the only prospect. It's not Ron DeSantis.

31:57

Ron DeSantis is going nowhere. a

32:00

point where he thinks I am going nowhere I'm going to

32:02

suspend the campaign. Yeah, double all the way. Hailey's

32:04

the only place for the Christie vote

32:06

to go. Will he in the next

32:09

week decide that he wants to offer

32:11

that endorsement? But as we've heard, it

32:14

looks like it is over.

32:16

Donald Trump is the

32:18

nominee. There is no prize for second

32:20

place. No. And we should just

32:22

say New Hampshire is on Tuesday night, so we will

32:24

bring you next week's episode with those results

32:27

on Wednesday. See you then. Bye bye. This

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