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This is a Global Player

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Original Podcast The first ever

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day of the first ever

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criminal trial. Of a

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former president. Riveting,

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For the world to watch. One person.

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Wasn't. Quite so riveted he I have to

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ask. you guys have been at the times, have been

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live blogging, This event

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and forty minutes ago you wrote

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an observation that that. I

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was very surprised. Trump appears to be

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sleeping. His head keeps dropping down in

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his mouth. Go sledding. Tell us about

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them. While taking appear

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to be. Well that with

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Jake Tapper from Cnn asking the

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question of the Queen of Trump

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watches Maggie Haberman from the New

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York Times, he just says yeah,

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he looked like he was asleep

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at of course for Donald Trump

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who has made his career with

0:54

catchy nicknames on the one for

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Biden being Sleepy Joe. What?

0:59

We hide in court yesterday. Was.

1:01

Sleepy down. There. Is

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a reason why the first

1:06

days of this trial might

1:08

be quite a trial because

1:10

the process just to select

1:13

the jury will take. Quite.

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A Heave. We're going to tell you all

1:18

about that. What happened next? Welcome to the

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News Agency Usa. It's.

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Everly is john and on

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the fifteenth floor of apparently

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this volume as but dingy

1:34

Court House. Donald. Trump's

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site occasionally sarcastic, occasionally scowling,

1:39

and as we've just heard

1:41

occasionally fast asleep by the

1:44

proceedings that were unfolding to

1:46

swear in the first Juri

1:48

as you say, Emily of

1:51

the first ever ex President

1:53

to face criminal trial. Yeah,

1:56

and it is quite a moment

1:58

because this essentially his game to

2:00

take Donald Trump out of the

2:02

campaign for the General election. Every

2:04

set when says they have when

2:07

says else. Said. Pretty much the

2:09

next two months, between six and eight

2:11

weeks he has to appear in court.

2:13

He doesn't stay awake. In court

2:15

that he probably will

2:17

want to and he

2:19

will face questions about

2:21

fraud, questions, about lying

2:24

to the American public.

2:26

Questions essentially that go to the

2:28

horse of why he paid one

2:30

hundred and thirty thousand pounds to

2:32

a form of porn star and

2:34

then try to cover up those

2:36

payments. In other words, questions that

2:38

go right to the heart of

2:40

whether the American public should have

2:42

confidence in him and says vote

2:44

him in next time around. Now

2:46

there will be millions of people.

2:48

Across America who only. Have no

2:50

will half here. One line is this

2:53

trial. One line of what happened so

2:55

far in terms of the details and

2:57

will be Millions of others who say

3:00

as Donald Trump is taught them to

3:02

say it so politically motivated it is.

3:04

A witch hunts As a witch hunt is

3:07

just a continuation of which are they want

3:09

to sell his youth and they mean silence.

3:11

They are I think this sick people. I

3:13

think they are people that. Have

3:16

no idea how the world works and they

3:18

have no idea the anger they cause. But.

3:20

At the horses, this whole thing is

3:22

essentially. A. Question about whether. He.

3:25

Was lying about money paid.

3:27

Because he didn't want the American people

3:29

to find out during the election campaign

3:31

of twenty six days of we have

3:34

discussed before the podcast how Donald Trump

3:36

is intent on using. The.

3:38

Trial because he has to a A.

3:40

So. campaign platform, so when he wanted to

3:43

court and when he leaves court comes

3:45

up and speaks to the. It's

4:05

worth. Eating at me in

4:07

the atmospherics. Selected because yes, he

4:09

was a success, but it comes

4:12

out there were only about a

4:14

couple of thousand. Pro. Trump

4:16

supporters downtown in Manhattan where the

4:18

case was being heard about. Five

4:20

million reporters are bet you Every

4:23

Trump supporter was interviewed about four

4:25

thousand times yesterday to say why

4:27

some fair but Donald Trump did

4:29

not get the big support which

4:31

Donald Trump we know thrives from

4:33

having people cheering him on and

4:35

they weren't that many there yesterday.

4:38

I mean, this is Manhattan. You know that?

4:40

Yeah, Manhattan Trial is gonna have a. Very.

4:42

Different luck in a very didn't

4:44

feel to it than let's say

4:46

Kentucky Trump. There aren't a huge

4:48

number of Thompson's residents in central

4:50

Manhattan. On I guess this

4:52

will have an impact into how

4:54

the jury is selected and we're

4:56

going to talk a little bit

4:58

about that because the numbers in

5:00

a as of yesterday a pretty

5:02

stark that they had ninety six

5:04

potential jurors they kind of ways

5:06

the Orleans and then they asked

5:09

them one by one which have

5:11

you already sinks or knows that

5:13

you could not be said you

5:15

could not be impartial in a

5:17

criminal trial donald Trump's and immediately

5:19

they lost about half of. Them So

5:21

I think between fifty and sixty. Said please

5:23

don't be a basel of we go. And

5:25

Ulster that there is a forty

5:28

five question questionnaire and they check

5:30

things like what Pa cause you

5:32

listen to God help us what

5:34

bumper stickers you have whether. She's

5:36

cross your title for podcast. What? I've

5:38

I'm sick of know god help us a selfless

5:40

acts as a perfectly we should marker that one.

5:43

I feel like that sort of the the sub

5:45

same of modus of stuff where he say this

5:47

but. There's a lot of either. Very

5:49

intricate. Questions: You know? Where do you get

5:51

your news from Steel? Cnn or York's Forks?

5:54

Be to have you ever given to

5:56

us campaign, have you ever been to

5:58

a Trump rallies and I guess the

6:00

point they never actually know the judges,

6:02

the weather people, Are lying to them. You

6:04

could go home saying snow and I. Then if they

6:06

take your phone or your car or your bumper or.

6:08

Whatever. but they wouldn't to down to

6:10

nine and in a way. That's.

6:12

Actually, not a bad saw. They haven't got

6:15

those neither. Just got nine people. Who

6:17

so far have gone through that

6:19

first round? But the other thing

6:21

about the hosts are selection process

6:23

is is a juror came into

6:25

that Manhattan courtroom sitting down on

6:27

the fifteenth floor and says i've

6:29

read nothing about it or heard

6:31

nothing about this is using their

6:33

Bloody Liar. I. Mean how is

6:35

it possible not to have heard you've heard

6:37

Donald Trump trying every legal mechanism He can't

6:40

delay. The case is A when he's been

6:42

sailing he saying that the judges corrupt and

6:44

the prosecution or conflicted and on and on

6:47

and on an even going off to witnesses

6:49

like Michael Cohen his former personal attorney on

6:51

that has been told you gotta stop That

6:53

is seems to me almost impossible to the

6:56

you could get a juror who is say

6:58

oh well I'm coming up this with a

7:00

totally blank sheet of paper. I. Slightly

7:02

disagree that I think if he was because he

7:04

had. His own trump is pretty hot find some he

7:06

hasn't. I think even if Miles

7:08

my white a family. Could give me

7:11

a top line of this case. Most of them

7:13

wouldn't be able to do them. So really, when

7:15

it drills out what you know, we're obsessive with

7:17

the widows here, right? We follow every trust and

7:19

said you know the amounts of money, You know

7:21

the delays. You know all that stuff. I

7:23

don't think most people in this country and I

7:25

did think America actually would be that different could

7:28

tell me about this twists and has Could really

7:30

tell you what's that the heart of this case?

7:32

It's just noise. Whoop! whenever we

7:34

have. A criminal case.

7:37

In. New York. There's. One person

7:39

returned to always about is Randy Salads who's

7:41

a criminal defense lawyer or these on the

7:44

line for us now and it's great to

7:46

have you with us again. Randy's I Hope

7:48

Your Wealth did you fall asleep until yesterday?

7:51

Not very much though,

7:53

The. Word unprecedented on our side

7:56

of the pods has now

7:58

become President, did so. Everything

8:00

is precedented now and nothing is

8:02

unprecedented. Say took us three. What?

8:04

You thought about the jury selection so far?

8:06

I mean, I guess on the one hand,

8:08

it's almost impossible to feel totally neutral about

8:11

Trump's and on the other hand, they did

8:13

pretty well. They got nine people through the

8:15

first round already in one day. While

8:18

the reality is when we talk

8:20

about a fair and impartial jury,

8:23

No. One is interested in a fair and

8:25

impartial jury. In terms of the

8:27

lawyers, The prosecutor wants

8:30

a jury. This going to convict

8:32

Donald Trump. The. Defense wants his.

8:34

You're either going to acquit Donald Trump

8:36

or find one person who will not

8:39

go along with everyone else. They will

8:41

be a mistrial or hum fury and

8:43

this trial will not come about until.

8:46

if you're Donald Trump, he's already been

8:48

elected. So forget about fairness in impartiality.

8:50

From what do you look for. I

8:53

look for someone who likes me. I.

8:55

Look for someone who will feel

8:57

sympathy towards my client again, even

8:59

though sympathies not supposed to. man

9:01

we're all human beings. or I'm

9:03

looking for someone that has mistrustful

9:06

of the government. Mistrustful of

9:08

the entire process and believe that this

9:10

is all weaponize and I only hope

9:12

to God that that person keep said

9:14

to him or herself and lies to

9:16

every once and says of course I

9:19

can be fair and impartial The same

9:21

interesting to think that is actually the

9:23

Trump Defense Team strategy just to find

9:25

one or two people that's what I

9:28

would be doing I would be saying

9:30

to myself okay. I know

9:32

it's New York, it's Manhattan's Everybody

9:34

Hates Trump. But the reality is.

9:37

New. Yorkers and I count myself as

9:39

one of them. We. Are.

9:43

Not. Want to follow the fold?

9:45

We. Do what we want. We say what we

9:48

want. I am not going to get. Pulled.

9:50

Over by the system. I am not going to

9:52

be led by the knows I am not going

9:55

to be made a fool out of. and I

9:57

am not merely going to convict because Alvin Bragg

9:59

says the. Sure, And. I'll

10:01

give a crap whether I hate him. I love

10:03

it because the next person in that box. Could.

10:06

Be my son, Could be my daughter,

10:08

could be my best friend. Yeah,

10:10

you make a good case of the sort

10:12

of the Neocons spirit. but just to go

10:14

back to your Soma Point randy which is

10:17

we get what the prosecution, what the defense

10:19

one that this decisions made by the judge

10:21

right? the under judge still have a lot

10:23

sitting on whether the jury. Is neutral.

10:25

Or not. What are the kind

10:27

of questions that are fool proof

10:30

that I'll watertight that he will

10:32

be asking potential jurors to find

10:34

out whether that they're real. None.

10:37

Because the reality is. If

10:39

I want to be on the Suri. I.

10:42

Will be smart enough and sophisticated enough to

10:45

say what I need to say. To.

10:47

Have a shot of saying on. And if I

10:49

don't want to be in the series, it doesn't

10:51

matter if I'm basically a computer. And

10:53

I have no motions, no feelings. never heard

10:55

of Donald Trump and will merely look at

10:57

the evidence like an algorithm. If I don't

10:59

want to be on the series that I

11:02

know what to say. I'm sorry your honor,

11:04

I can't be fair and impartial and I

11:06

will be balanced. So will the kind of

11:08

trouble if a team or the prosecutors be

11:10

thinking that less do a background check on

11:12

this guy because he says he says he

11:14

says he sat button. I really believe in

11:16

own signature cook. See what you listen to

11:18

a lot Texas and. Oh. Believe

11:20

me, there is real time streaming going on

11:23

in the courtroom. Outside of the court room

11:25

there is a mad scramble. But the nice

11:27

thing about picking a jury in the state

11:29

case in the United States as opposed to

11:32

a federal cases. We. As a

11:34

lawyer is actually get to talk directly to

11:36

the jurors or the potential jurors that a

11:38

federal case you don't get to do that.

11:41

The judge is a lot more influence. The

11:43

judge does have a lot more influence over.

11:46

Jury selection and estate case the judge will

11:48

say, listen, you've twenty minutes. Not

11:50

he sells out. Don't go too far

11:52

afield or I will rain you in,

11:54

but it's really the time for the

11:56

lawyers. Define what's your likes? Me. With

11:59

your hate. Me: What's. Your

12:01

do I think will basically be

12:03

that lone wolf. And. Will

12:06

not follow the sold who's paying

12:08

attention. Who's. Not paying attention. Who

12:10

really wants to be here? And who

12:12

does? Is a really interesting

12:14

lot of polling that's coming out at

12:17

the moment on this trial. Randy One

12:19

of the thing is that I I

12:21

saw I heard was that thirty eight

12:24

percent. Of. Americans polls things.

12:26

That he will not be found guilty

12:28

in the schools are now. Obviously that

12:30

is putting the cart before the horse

12:32

and the trial hasn't even begun. But

12:34

it's curious that even people who would

12:37

say I manifestly don't trust Donald Trump

12:39

or dislike him more, I'm in. I

12:41

would set myself again since I actually

12:43

don't think that there is. An.

12:45

Obvious guilty verdict to be found here.

12:47

And that is a simple reality

12:50

of Donald Trump doing a masterful

12:52

job from a Pr standpoint. Of

12:55

making himself out to be the victim

12:57

to making this appear to be election

13:00

interference. What? Because you do. You think

13:02

there is a clear case for convicts

13:04

in his the misdemeanors, the lower level

13:06

crimes or a slam dunk. The

13:09

felonies are a bit more difficult

13:11

because the prosecution has to prove

13:13

that the falsifying of the entries

13:15

in the books in the were

13:17

done as part of a grander.

13:20

Felony. And I don't know that that

13:22

felony is there have been may be a federal

13:24

felony but. That's. Not how we do

13:26

it in New York. It's gotta be a spade felony.

13:29

I'm he. Could he actually be sent to jail

13:31

for this? He could beat. He's

13:33

not going to jail number one and

13:35

number two. I don't think he's getting

13:37

convicted. I think there will be a

13:39

hung jury and by the time this

13:41

case rolls around again, Donald Trump may

13:43

very well be the next president by

13:45

default. What do you think about the

13:47

society? Then you said that he's being

13:50

P R mastermind in the framing of

13:52

this. Do think it works for him

13:54

Everyday going into court say this is

13:56

a whit trans their out to get

13:58

me. This is a weaponized just the

14:00

system. I can't get a fair trial.

14:03

Or. Do you think the actually a could

14:05

start to rebound on hims if he sell

14:07

to be in contempt or whatever. Know.

14:10

Because the fat the were talking about it

14:12

this morning. Is. All you

14:14

need to know that on your side

14:16

of upon world talking about the Donald

14:19

Trump trial and we could keep going

14:21

and going and going. So now it

14:23

is not going to boomerang on him.

14:25

His base is his base. The people

14:28

who hate him hate him. And as

14:30

far as the inbetweeners go, I think

14:32

the inbetweeners Now I'm more focused on.

14:35

Border. Security Being able to ride

14:37

the subways. How much money do

14:39

I have to be able to

14:42

buy groceries? How much is? Guess

14:44

it's not about this criminal trials

14:46

it's about and my better off

14:48

now than I was four years

14:51

ago. So. To me this

14:53

trial will have zero impact in season

14:55

but said I expect to be convicted

14:57

so this way he could say see

14:59

I told her I couldn't get a

15:01

fair trial and if by some miracle

15:03

he's acquitted then all of a sudden

15:05

New York is the greatest. We have

15:07

the greatest system of justice in the

15:09

world's I can't wait to get back

15:11

here. This is what he does and

15:13

nobody does it better. News:

15:30

He's concerted attempts to try and

15:32

make eye contact with the potential

15:34

jurors and it was like he

15:36

was trying to see into their

15:38

souls about where they stood. Whether

15:40

he could. hopefully when the mobo

15:43

we know looking for, whether there

15:45

was a crock of a smiles

15:47

back at him or any kind

15:49

of recognition. of course, you know

15:51

the whole demeanor of Donald Trump

15:54

is to protect power and bleakness

15:56

and authority. and there. He is

15:58

sitting in a with vinci crap. The

16:00

cool house on the fifteenth floor least

16:02

yours a file again and finding out

16:04

as really reports the just looks actually

16:06

quite small. In that setting and against

16:09

the Maggie Haberman comment of him so nodding off

16:11

at point see and when he was passed a

16:13

note mean that how they. Knew that he was

16:15

asleep because his assistant awesome a note and

16:17

it didn't sort of shaky months. I mean,

16:19

the other thing that's interesting is this whole

16:22

question of the gag order isn't as of

16:24

what he's allowed to say outside. Courts

16:26

in any shape or form. And

16:28

this has been a constant with

16:31

Trump. Every time he's faced a

16:33

civil trial, he's ended up going.

16:35

Far as a judge or the judges family

16:37

or tried to attack the daughter or the

16:39

clock with hold onto the court. He's

16:42

made it really personal and really vitriolic.

16:44

Annex in the case of Eating Carol

16:46

which was the sexual abuse case, a

16:49

civil case where he was found liable

16:51

of rape He then actually even after

16:53

that finding he went back and started

16:55

abusing her and had to pay an

16:58

enormous amount of damage. As we know

17:00

this is hits if is over eighty

17:02

four million dollar damages case. Now this

17:05

time it's about his tweets i'm not

17:07

going. To call them to says with a

17:09

plus but he has a platform pulled through

17:11

Social which is sort of spiraling down Woods

17:13

Ursula Stock Market as we speak. And

17:15

the prosecutors had just now got

17:18

this confirmation the every time he.

17:20

Tweets, old posts he will be

17:23

tossed a thousand dollars. It's. Meant

17:25

to be of pussy. I. Can't

17:27

imagine. That. Trump doesn't think

17:30

a post is worth. A

17:32

thousand dollars by in some money, more

17:34

money. Yeah, I'm excited to day stuff

17:36

that step to the bottom of his

17:38

shoes exactly. And recourse, Trump com stop

17:41

himself both speaking about this stuff. This

17:43

was him at a rally over the

17:45

weekend. The entire world. Well with this

17:47

the commencement of the very first Biden

17:50

trial and are all by themselves. You

17:52

know that Rice and I'm proud to

17:54

do it for you. Have a good

17:56

time watching, have a good time watching.

18:00

On Monday a New York City I

18:02

will be forced to sit fully gags

18:04

on that allowed to talk to Do

18:07

believe us they want to take away

18:09

my constitutional right just off. Ever

18:12

for us as a flavor of

18:14

what you're going to get every

18:16

eight. Nelson Mandela, Me, Jesus, I

18:19

don't mind being Nelson Mandela because

18:21

I'm doing it for a reason.

18:23

For doing it for a reason.

18:25

He is Nelson Mandela. He's tortured,

18:27

He is a past, and he's.

18:30

Doing this, he is fighting this fight

18:32

for the American people. I love it when

18:34

he says as a biden trial you know that

18:36

right? Just the clue is in. You know that

18:38

rise it means. Have. You heard that

18:40

message Willie, Repeat that Mrs. I'm going to

18:42

say it again. He said that you repeat

18:44

it back to me. You have to be

18:47

convinced that this is all coming from Joe

18:49

Biden. It's the Amplification Statutes. It means I'll

18:51

teach you the. Lines Please part them back

18:53

to me. And they do. And they do.

18:55

And the other thing that he's asking

18:57

for the his lawyers. Are asking for. His

19:00

and I did of that's a

19:02

good Sex I'd not misheard This

19:05

is time off the his son's

19:07

graduation, His youngest son's graduation I'm

19:09

I suddenly stopped missile. And

19:12

I actually haven't ever. Heard

19:15

Trump refer. To. Baron.

19:17

I never even thought of him as

19:19

being Trump's son. I've been using them

19:21

as Molony Sunday. That's famously. He was

19:23

the son that Molony of the spend

19:25

No time in Washington the White House

19:27

because of issues. So taking school with.

19:29

The. Of the him and Trump suddenly

19:31

saying i need toggle for his graduation

19:33

in the middle of May, his lawyer

19:36

came out with something that really pushed

19:38

the bounds of it's not even allowing

19:40

a father never mind a former President,

19:43

but a father attend his sons graduate

19:45

sense. And let's not forget Passover. Okay,

19:48

observant jews have a right to

19:50

go and and and pray to

19:52

who they want and observe Passover

19:54

and this tags would not allow

19:56

at a meeting. Our. Laura Willard

19:58

Donald. Trump. Nevada And you?

20:01

Yeah, I think she was talking about the

20:03

legal team. But you can hear that

20:05

sort of like grasp of desperation call.

20:07

It is like us. The the the

20:09

graduation and a deposit and While swells.

20:12

With Us attorney the question I will

20:14

the answer to having heard that clip

20:16

is. Was. Donald Trump

20:18

of the graduation. Of

20:21

Don Jr. Of Eric and

20:23

is anchor pictures on says on

20:25

post offices and has complex got

20:27

the other one. Who

20:29

did I miss? up? The fourth one

20:31

out know Marla know as a

20:33

mother he has anyone sit but.

20:36

He doesn't eat it is only three children he talks about

20:38

as it was sort. Of proving a point here. He

20:40

doesn't ever mention the other two. Insisting.

20:43

Tiffany that was Gabriel in our if

20:45

that was Cable In our area residents are

20:48

produce a big who Tiffany. The

20:51

fact we are going to talk.

20:54

A. Little bit about another story that's

20:56

coming out of the Us today

20:58

and that is what happens. On

21:00

the film set rust where

21:03

the amara Hundred Gutierrez has

21:05

just been hundred and eighteen

21:07

month sentence, the Bringing Live.

21:10

Rounds of ammunition on the set and

21:12

we have. Our. Own honor to

21:14

talk us through the rules here and then.

21:17

The News Agency Usa with Emily Majors

21:20

and June So for. The

21:25

News Agency Usa. I

21:30

remember vividly zoc shifting use

21:32

that came out of the

21:34

film Sets of Rust, the

21:37

star Alec Baldwin who's a

21:39

huge figure in Hollywood having

21:41

kill someone with a loaded

21:43

weapon on a film set

21:45

on all the questions that

21:48

arose from it. And yesterday

21:50

the wheels of Justice a

21:52

finally turned on the Amara

21:54

on the set Hundred Gutierrez

21:57

read being sentenced to eighteen

21:59

months. Because. What

22:01

she put in to the gun that

22:03

Alec Baldwin had to far as part

22:05

of the scene had live ammunition and

22:07

it. Not. Blanks. You

22:10

alone turned a safe weapons

22:12

into a lethal weapon. Please

22:14

take this. See was the

22:16

armor. In other words, See

22:18

is the one who has

22:20

legal responsibility for what is

22:22

happening on set. With the guns

22:24

with ammunition on it should always

22:26

be Sake right? It a film

22:28

like that he would only ever

22:30

have. Sake of Munitions on is

22:32

a merge. Yesterday from this trial

22:34

that she had some reason. That

22:36

will still not. Searles brought onto

22:39

that set live rounds of ammunition.

22:41

so. As he say, see got

22:43

eighteen months and there are many

22:45

who all mourning the death of

22:47

Selena Hutchins who is. The Director

22:50

who was killed on that fateful day

22:52

in October. Twenty Twenty one who. Feel

22:54

that this sentence has to

22:57

be served fully otherwise. It

22:59

is just a mockery of the whole trial. And

23:01

he was still pressing to see

23:03

Alec Baldwin go on to face

23:05

trial, which he will do in

23:07

July. I guess the question that

23:10

were asking is. Is this

23:12

has been laid so conclusively.

23:15

Ah, her seat that she brought her

23:17

medicine onto. The Set: Where does

23:19

this leave. The. Seats to trawl.

23:22

Of Alec Baldwin and. My

23:24

legs facing charges of involuntary manslaughter as

23:26

part of what happened because he pulled

23:29

the trigger on that fateful day. Yeah

23:31

he's facing a criminal trial of involuntary

23:33

manslaughter. On against the questions mobile here

23:35

from a friend Randy again on this

23:38

one the pushed to were asking is

23:40

does her conviction make his more line

23:42

or a tour doesn't exonerate him This

23:45

is what Randy had say. I

23:47

have been wrestling with that in

23:49

in those few moments that I'm

23:51

not thinking about that from trial,

23:54

and I am still torn as

23:56

to whether or not her conviction

23:58

seals Alec Baldwin's doom or or

24:00

conviction set him free. Because if

24:03

she's been found criminally responsible when

24:05

it comes down to, well, is

24:07

Alec Baldwin automatically infected and tainted

24:09

by that? Or does that exonerate

24:12

him? Because how the hell would

24:14

he be expected to know that?

24:16

this idiot. Put. Live rounds in

24:18

that gun. So we try to work

24:20

hills. How on earth he's

24:23

end up having live ammunition on a

24:25

set. Of a drama of a

24:27

film. in it was a western. You do

24:29

not need to bring bullets onto the set,

24:31

onto the stage and we thought we would

24:33

kind of cross check that. With an armor

24:35

A here in the Uk. Or would join

24:37

by know Parsons who works at

24:39

the Stoke Poses range and advises

24:41

filmmakers on how to do the

24:44

weapons. Seems that gunfight so or

24:46

whatever. A know it's great to

24:48

have you with us. I've I

24:50

suspect you would just astonished when

24:52

you heard about what happened on

24:54

the set of Rust. Cr.

24:56

Me de the it was really

24:58

terrible exists any accidents is a

25:01

terrible thing to happen the first

25:03

to be loss of laws and

25:05

boot just astounded about for lack

25:08

of safety the of the was

25:10

onset we didn't really understand one.

25:13

That was of a loaded gun on

25:15

Saddam is still be Uk are you?

25:17

There's no accessed from Innocence Bertha. Apart

25:19

from that that so weapons should have

25:22

been in the auspices of the Armor

25:24

or an assistant. All Brooks and List

25:26

of never left a weapon on it's

25:28

own little own. A weapon that was

25:31

loaded enough. I don't understand why the

25:33

weapon was loaded. Whoever picked up that

25:35

weapon. If I knew about guns the

25:37

first thing they would do is check

25:40

the condition of the com turkey for

25:42

com is. Safe if it's empty and if

25:44

it's more than coal the armor of lives

25:46

in charge of gonna say look this com

25:49

is not unsafe conditions please make it so

25:51

for need to take it on said. Would

25:53

you ever have live ammunition on

25:55

a set? The evil was he

25:57

on. No. Never. I mean. They

26:00

don't have access to live ammunition

26:02

you need of a licensed largely

26:04

going get like I'm sure, but

26:06

there's no reason to ever have

26:08

live ammunition on certain. And know

26:10

Phil moments of a had lied

26:12

on a mission on sets. I

26:15

mean even when we're doing shotguns

26:17

you know every shot gun is

26:19

checked and a said sets or

26:21

is blanks that are sort of

26:23

specifically made to give the effect

26:25

of the gun firing cause we

26:27

don't want a really loud bang.

26:29

We. Don't want to keep slaves. who

26:31

wants her a small flame and and

26:33

the banks of the people can react

26:35

to it? And I mean when we

26:38

did our the hunting seen only have

26:40

a principal actors had a slight amount

26:42

of powder in the cartridge is all

26:44

the rest were completely empty cartridges. We

26:46

just primacy and so they made a

26:48

little time. I think we need to

26:50

explain the hunting Seen on the connection

26:52

of one Emily made a sort of

26:54

is okay. Full Disclosure: So. No

26:57

Parsons and still poses. Range with

26:59

Bruce in As The Armor

27:01

as. For drama that

27:03

we're in the face of making

27:06

about the Prince Andrew interview. On

27:08

this involves. A shooting

27:10

scene essentially. and maybe we should

27:13

just remind our listeners and of

27:15

views of that point in the

27:17

interview where Prince Andrew makes it

27:19

very clear what he'd been doing

27:22

at the weekend. Amerasian the you

27:24

through a birthday party. And front

27:26

think of and Glenn Maxwell

27:28

at Sandringham. Nerves.

27:31

Decision Weekend As Susan we suspect

27:33

food, food, food using with him.

27:36

So know the status as I haven't

27:38

seen. this seems. That feels really

27:40

surreal to me, but take a

27:42

three. What happens? In that

27:44

bits in that moment where

27:47

you're preparing. For the

27:49

jews of Yolks ceasing

27:51

weekends. Well. Firstly we

27:53

have a number of shotguns as as

27:56

a law in the suit israel the

27:58

number for comes. Anybody

28:00

the sort of principle actor I'm play

28:03

have armrests with some the loaders in

28:05

inverted commas that you would have winner

28:07

and us in a hunting seems fair

28:09

actually. armouries that actually load the blinds

28:12

cases in Tv to suck on soaks

28:14

everybody took. the principal actors just had

28:16

empty shells were just primers and so

28:19

the little primus just went bang and

28:21

made a noise and a little bit

28:23

a smoker to be under the barrel

28:25

but they're completely empty shells just upon

28:28

said. The people playing in other ways.

28:30

The extras. Are actual armor? as

28:32

other the loaders of the

28:34

extras there actually are armrests.

28:36

A know I've got a

28:38

specific question for you because

28:40

it relates to what could

28:42

still unfolds with Alec Baldwin

28:44

who is facing an involuntary

28:47

manslaughter charge. How much direct

28:49

responsibility is that? Implicit or

28:51

explicit that the actor. Has

28:53

to check the weapon the he's taking charge

28:55

of because I said to me when I

28:58

heard it. Well for god's sake you know

29:00

Baldwin can't be blamed for this because how

29:02

was he to know that there was a

29:04

round in the barrel of the gun in.

29:07

A one percent every actor lot

29:09

of work with. I'm an apart

29:11

from the fact that we go

29:13

and so become clear and until

29:15

we actually have a tight all

29:17

guns for rehearsals are the robber

29:19

guns or plastic guns so I

29:21

would never have any. Ah

29:23

any real gums for a rehearsal

29:25

because during rehearsals we then never

29:27

point a gun at another actor

29:30

or actress. We always point of

29:32

thirty degrees off. So all that

29:34

who's practice to the rehearsal using

29:36

a robber or or or plastic

29:38

guns could is only one. Where

29:40

are we gonna do a tight

29:42

that we inform everybody and and

29:44

the crew nearby. Look here is

29:47

the gun. This is what we're

29:49

going to do. This is the

29:51

direction we're going to forth and.

29:53

The moment we load around into the

29:55

gun everyone is aware what's gonna happen.

29:57

The camera roles too fussy. we need

30:00

any type of gonna wait and then

30:02

because I want to consider hustle would

30:04

give him a a replica classic. Gonna

30:06

they continue the rehearsal for. It couldn't

30:08

be the actors fault then. Know Michael

30:10

Sheen with the Jews feel to mind. Is

30:13

as soon as he has finished that one shot,

30:15

the gun is taken away from him and it

30:17

would not be handed to him unless he had.

30:19

Already been checked for clear right?

30:21

Yes the com is fired You

30:23

him to the Constitution put the

30:25

next to cartridges in a new

30:27

pass it to him if he's

30:29

about to shoot birds coming overhead

30:31

and when the Beatles was just

30:34

the first overhead then you load

30:36

the gone. Past. The

30:38

gone over and have the second

30:40

com which virtually preparing to swap

30:42

over because if a number of

30:44

reasons com for they need to

30:46

far the presence while the rapidly

30:48

Agassi so fascinating settings as it's

30:50

quite complicated You also said a

30:52

moment ago the internet a point

30:54

the gun directly at another actor

30:56

oversee Baldwin pointed the gun directly

30:58

at the direct so he should

31:00

have never done that. He should

31:02

have never done this I'm and

31:04

enough to with his experience I

31:06

shouldn't be rehearsing. With a log

31:09

on and be sued. Never point

31:11

a gun at another after if

31:13

it's a robber gone. even if

31:15

it's a plastic gun you still

31:17

do not pointed at all director

31:20

because what you're actually rehearsing is

31:22

you. Pointing. A gun

31:24

at that person. When you gonna do

31:26

a tight and you say right the

31:28

gun I can't pointed out you becomes

31:30

going to be thirty degrees off you.

31:32

We put the camera at an angle

31:34

where it looks as if I'm pointing

31:36

out. but I'm I'm not pointing at

31:38

you. So it's that rehearsal was not

31:41

correctly done. A Summer has that short.

31:43

He should have been pointing thirty degrees

31:45

off and not directly earth for the

31:47

Opie and the Director. So. You can

31:49

see then why he's having to

31:51

stand trial. Just because from

31:53

what I understand the revolver that was

31:56

used was an eighteen onto the eighteen

31:58

sixties revolt and number one dollar been

32:00

pointing at anybody Number to the person's

32:03

the past him the revolver should have

32:05

shown him with on is clear and

32:07

if they didn't show him that honestly

32:10

he should have said show me the

32:12

gun is clear I'm not an all

32:14

I'm just an actor. Sherman Act On

32:17

is clear. Maybe was under

32:19

pressure whatever. know nobody will really knows

32:21

but what went on about moment but

32:23

he took the gun without getting the

32:25

person that handed him the gun to

32:27

show. it's clear another person hundred and

32:29

combos the armor which is something you

32:31

would never happen in this country. Nobody

32:33

else would touch a gun here unless

32:35

or an armor or known as assistant

32:37

and all a system. Farmers are checked

32:39

and vetted by the police and they

32:41

have their names to allow you to

32:43

be onset so you can't get any

32:45

would interfere with him of his most

32:47

recent have enough. A person's gonna be vetted

32:50

by the police to have a name that check

32:52

the mountains. Had yes they can be an assistant

32:54

Armor onset. Of

33:03

is really interesting and the

33:05

complexity of responsibility on. Her.

33:08

I mean obviously the first thing to say is.

33:11

We. Just had a different attitude towards guns

33:13

and live of to should have full stop

33:16

in this country. Competitive I say so American.

33:18

Aren't you know if you've got an open

33:20

carry law? A New Mexico where the shooting

33:22

happened is perfect. To Heidi one could have

33:24

hello.is analogous in the other thing. That.

33:27

Happened in the wake of

33:29

that shooting. Remember Alec Baldwin

33:31

had been the voice. Of.

33:33

Donald Trump impersonating him cruelly

33:35

hilariously on Saturday Night Live.

33:37

Every day I turn on

33:39

the news and all of

33:41

the newscasters are making me

33:43

look so bad. And

33:46

how are we doing that by taking

33:48

out of the things I say and

33:51

all of the things I do and

33:53

putting them on Tv? When this happened,

33:55

there was delight in Trump Land. About

33:58

it unfold. Trump Junior. Started

34:00

marketing t shirts. Which.

34:02

St. John's Don't Kill

34:04

People. Alec Baldwin Kills People.

34:08

I mean, it was perhaps

34:10

the most tasteless pieces caught

34:12

of wrestling. In.

34:14

The death of somebody. Because.

34:16

Alec Baldwin was involved and it was

34:18

a waste of posting Alec Baldwin back

34:20

in the eyes because Alec Baldwin posting

34:23

the his father. Yeah, I just horrifying.

34:25

I do think it's really interesting that

34:27

though I hadn't considered until Know explains

34:29

it and he picked up on it.

34:31

The idea: If you you never ever

34:33

go to settings right Axis? That's the

34:35

whole. Point: The magic of film is that you

34:38

can make things look like things that they are

34:40

not. So when you're pointing a gun, A.

34:42

Site gun with no I'm either since

34:44

it's. At an angle you don't

34:46

pointed out that some these had said that

34:49

I guess is the outstanding question. That.

34:51

I now understand much more clearly in this

34:53

case. Is why on earth it was

34:55

ever pointers. A desire to the

34:57

twelve year old John. So for when

34:59

he joined the Combined Cadet Course but

35:02

his boys Grammar School in North London

35:04

you know, And you'd go to the

35:06

range and you'd be given a Second

35:08

World War three oh, free rifle or

35:10

wherever it was you absolutely loved you.

35:12

never, ever, ever in any circumstance point

35:14

ago the anybody in that way and

35:16

what happened in Santa Fe on the

35:18

roof sit there still. Obviously a long

35:20

way to go on. this. The

35:24

News Agency Usa with Emily Majors.

35:27

And John Simple. The

35:31

News Agency Usa. Just.

35:34

Before we go some really interesting

35:36

stats coming out of the Us.

35:38

in in particular some the biggest

35:40

cities about the dramatic full there's

35:42

been. In. The murder rate

35:44

so far this year in Boston is

35:46

down eighty two percent In Philadelphia said

35:48

he suffered the same Miami's thirty three

35:50

percent a their zones on these figures.

35:53

Are very very good for Joe

35:55

Biden because of course one of

35:57

the great Trump attacks. Ease. The

36:00

crime has soared under the

36:02

Biden administration, and actually we're

36:05

seeing the biggest fool in

36:07

homicides. Since. The Obama era.

36:09

and I mean what we don't know

36:11

is whether this is just the reversion

36:13

to the mean as they would say

36:15

in statistical circles are you is just

36:17

go back to where it was because

36:19

it's when soaring out during cozied. A

36:22

Maybe it's just come back to a more normal

36:24

level. Of. Where the death rate is.

36:27

Yes, I mean we're trying to get

36:29

to the bus or it seems funny

36:31

in a way To do this is

36:33

a sort of in it as an

36:35

insanely because I think it definitely needs

36:37

a bit more work to understand what's

36:39

behind this, but essentially it sounds like

36:41

it's part of the tix in Boston

36:43

the violence prevention measures and that means

36:45

nothing more complicated than going into areas

36:48

sending law enforcement, police, or the rest

36:50

of it's into areas where they know.

36:52

That crime is most prevalent among those of this

36:54

a things lies at the door of the man

36:56

Michelle. Woo. Hoo pledged to curb homicides

36:58

and shootings and think that this day

37:00

said that she had so far into

37:02

his twenty four. Is those a community.

37:04

Policing and what she's done to actually

37:07

just get more visible people on the

37:09

streets. It's a sort of i suppose

37:11

it's it sounds sort of. Too.

37:13

Obvious in a way, but

37:16

particularly when the polls are

37:18

showing that this is a

37:20

top concern. full doses were

37:22

Republicans tend to have the

37:25

edge over democrats. The message.

37:27

That. Biden will be. Trying. To here

37:30

Now is how do we take this.

37:32

And actually make so People are listening.

37:34

Make sure that it counters model. Trump

37:37

will also be saying. It

37:39

incorrectly about it on the some workers

37:41

Donald Trump even in his era nord

37:43

recent speech and twenty six thing was

37:45

trying to paint a picture of the

37:47

United States as a health scape on

37:49

this does not fit into that at

37:51

all. And so if you've got big

37:53

numbers of homicides coming down in the

37:55

biggest cities in America, but it's something

37:57

that Biden is going to campaign harder

37:59

on on. Try to get a message out. Will.

38:01

Be back next week. We almost see that was

38:03

he then said i think. He.

38:07

has been a global. Their original

38:09

photos.