0:00

What they've done and they ought to

0:02

you know they are this is a

0:04

good release original original hostages I

0:11

call them hostages some people call them Talking

0:14

about release the J no six Captured

0:18

by him a some Joe on October 7

0:21

you might think that is the rather this

0:23

guy what he's done What he's done to

0:25

people and it that is Donald Trump using?

0:28

hostages as the word

0:31

for those who were convicted of Insurrection

0:36

on January the 6th by due

0:38

process in the American courts Facing

0:41

prison sentences because of the riot

0:43

at the Capitol to stop Joe

0:45

Biden being sworn in This

0:48

is mirror image world stuff and

0:50

right now Trump is going on

0:52

the offensive Because January the

0:55

6th is back in the spotlight not

0:57

just have we seen the third anniversary

1:00

But Trump is right now in

1:02

court trying to prove his own

1:05

immunity to prosecution Because

1:07

of who he was a US

1:09

president and all this coming as

1:11

Iowa prepares to vote in the

1:13

first caucus of the year next

1:15

week a New Hampshire

1:18

coming a week after that. This

1:20

is an election cycle Unlike

1:23

any other in American

1:25

history welcome to news agents USA

1:34

It's John it's Emily and four years ago

1:36

this week We were just

1:38

getting off a plane with a sprinkling

1:40

of snow in Iowa in the Midwest

1:44

Which is the first place that

1:47

the politicians go to try

1:49

and rally support in Their

1:52

primary it's actually a caucus and

1:54

essentially the Iowans are very proud

1:56

of their status as being the

1:58

first place that decides essentially

2:01

who is up and who is

2:03

down in the race for each party to

2:05

be president. So it's the beginning

2:07

of the election calendar. This year,

2:09

slightly odd for two reasons. One,

2:12

Joe Biden is not going to show his

2:14

face in Iowa. He's an incumbent

2:16

and he's decided that Iowa doesn't come

2:19

first this time around. He's not going.

2:21

The second reason it's slightly odd is

2:23

because there is on the face of

2:25

it very little contest in Iowa

2:28

because the former President Trump is

2:30

60 points ahead.

2:32

He is sitting on a

2:35

polling number of 60, 63,

2:37

which means that his nearest

2:40

rival is not

2:42

even on the map. And

2:45

Donald Trump is so far out ahead that

2:47

he really doesn't need to worry that much

2:49

about Iowa. He's done odd rallies

2:52

there, but honestly, it's in the bank. And

2:54

what's unusual about that is if you go

2:56

back to 2016, it wasn't Donald

2:58

Trump who won Iowa. It was Ted

3:00

Cruz. You go back further. Iowa has

3:03

managed to throw up... Rick Santorum, I

3:05

think won Iowa. Mark Huckabee won Iowa.

3:07

All these people we're not expecting you to

3:10

have heard of or to be able to

3:12

face recognise at all. That is the point.

3:14

The point is that Iowa throws up anomalies,

3:16

things that you weren't expecting. But okay, this

3:18

is why I think Iowa is the

3:20

biggest nonsense on the face of democracy.

3:22

And you and I totally disagree on

3:24

this. The fact of the

3:26

matter is that Iowa goes first and therefore has

3:29

a disproportionate effect on what happens when people

3:31

go out to vote in the rest of the

3:33

country because it has set the stage. Iowa

3:36

is a small, Midwestern, very white state. It's

3:38

particularly white at this time of year because

3:40

it's normally covered in snow and ice. We

3:42

think it's minus 16 there right now. Minus

3:44

16 there now. With lizards

3:47

incoming. Honestly, the first Iowa caucus I cover, which

3:49

was in 2008, it was minus 16. And

3:53

I remember going to do a live for the

3:55

one o'clock news, which was like at six o'clock

3:57

in the morning. And my

3:59

jaw would bend. move because I've been standing

4:01

out at this live point waiting to go live

4:03

and I couldn't speak. Okay I'll tell you why I

4:05

love Iowa now and that is

4:07

because caucus night is unlike anything

4:10

anywhere that I've ever been. You

4:12

get invited into somebody's house, you

4:14

get invited into a snowy farmhouse

4:16

in the middle of a tiny

4:19

remote little village and there you

4:21

find people from all walks of

4:23

life, communities sitting, huddling

4:25

together on sofas and chairs,

4:28

drinking juice, there's no alcohol, eating

4:31

tray bakes and potluck suppers

4:34

and they just debate and it

4:36

is democracy in action and you

4:38

see people choose a corner, there

4:40

might be a Hillary Clinton corner

4:42

versus a Bernie Sanders corner for

4:44

example, and then if they

4:46

have their mind changed they literally walk

4:48

across the room and sit

4:51

in another corner. You've never

4:53

seen anything quite so honestly

4:55

democratically electrifying than people debating

4:58

these real issues about who

5:00

they want to lead America

5:03

and I love it. It's bonkers,

5:05

it's the most absurd one. You

5:07

get, Iowans think that they have

5:09

the divine right to have met

5:12

every single candidate running for

5:14

president and they have. We met Donald Trump

5:16

in a diner. I mean you know people

5:18

say to you literally in box pops, yeah

5:20

I haven't quite decided, I've met five of

5:22

the candidates but I haven't yet met Hillary

5:25

Clinton and Barack Obama. Oh poor you, if

5:28

340 million Americans took that view, no

5:30

one would ever vote. It would be

5:32

impossible. At this point I think we should just bring

5:34

in a young woman reporter that

5:36

we were speaking to called Sabine Martin who

5:39

explained how one candidate, Vivet

5:41

Ramaswamy, is making his own

5:43

presence felt and shall we say

5:45

finding his student fan base right now

5:47

in Iowa. He's been doing what

5:50

he's been calling a college tour in

5:52

our town so he's been having free

5:54

speech and free drinks events in several

5:56

college towns including in Iowa City and

5:58

I think that really has drawn It's

8:00

also that thing that you think you can get

8:02

away with one thing in one state and no

8:04

one will notice the other. Yeah, exactly. What a

8:06

stupid thing to say. What a stupid thing to

8:08

say. What a stupid thing to say. So look,

8:10

Nikki Haley is not going to do well in

8:12

Iowa. That is absolutely written into the text. And

8:14

Donald Trump is going to do

8:17

extremely well. Just worth dwelling,

8:19

and we'll come back to New Hampshire in a

8:21

bit because I think that's also very important. But

8:23

it's just worth dwelling now on

8:25

Donald Trump today, not in

8:28

Iowa. No. Donald Trump today

8:31

is in Washington, D.C. at a court

8:33

hearing, not that he has to go

8:35

to, but that he has

8:37

chosen to go to. And it's an

8:39

appeal court hearing about the aftermath of

8:42

the presidential election and then what unfolded

8:44

on January the 6th. And

8:47

the judge has ruled that he must stand

8:49

trial for trying to nullify

8:51

the result of the election and for

8:54

insurrection and all the rest of it

8:56

that we've covered on this podcast before.

8:58

But Donald Trump is appealing it, and

9:01

it's going to appeal court judges today

9:03

about whether Donald Trump has immunity from

9:05

prosecution because he was president at the

9:07

time. And therefore he can more or

9:09

less do and say whatever he likes.

9:12

It's a very bad thing. It's a

9:14

very bad precedent, as we

9:16

said, it's the opening of a Pandora's box.

9:19

And it's a very sad thing

9:21

that's happened with this whole

9:23

situation. When they

9:26

talk about the democracy, that's your real

9:28

threat to democracy. And

9:30

I feel that as a president you have

9:32

to have immunity. Very simple. And

9:35

if you don't, as an example of this

9:38

case where we lost our immunity, and

9:40

I did nothing wrong, absolutely nothing wrong,

9:42

I'm working for the country. You

9:45

can be sure that if Donald

9:47

Trump loses today and the appeal court says,

9:50

yeah, this case can go ahead, then it's

9:52

going to go to the Supreme

9:54

Court. And this is all part of tactics

9:56

by Donald Trump that have two aspects to

9:59

it. First aspect

10:01

is that this is great campaigning material.

10:04

There's no difference between Donald Trump in

10:06

court and Donald Trump on the stump.

10:08

They are all furthering his fundraising, his

10:10

campaigning, his monopoly of the airways. The

10:13

second part of it, and this is the really

10:15

big part of it, is that

10:17

actually Donald Trump is trying to

10:19

push the four big court cases

10:21

that he is facing so

10:24

far into the future that

10:26

the presidential election will have

10:29

happened before any case reaches

10:31

a conclusion. And that is

10:34

crucial. Yeah, he is actually

10:36

fighting his criminal prosecutions as hard

10:38

as he is fighting to win

10:41

the nomination or indeed the

10:43

election because he has calculated

10:45

that if he can push

10:48

them down the calendar year

10:50

to a point of no

10:52

return, then whatever happens in

10:54

the criminal cases will no

10:56

longer bear weight, or at least

10:58

that if he does become president, he can overturn

11:00

them, he can move away from them, he can

11:02

call them, as he has done so many times,

11:04

a witch hunt and they won't touch

11:06

the sides of his political power. And

11:09

that is why, in essence, it is

11:11

so crucial. Before the holidays,

11:13

we talked about the Colorado case where

11:15

the Supreme Court had ruled that Donald

11:18

Trump's name would be removed from

11:20

the ballot in Colorado. This

11:22

was Amendment 14 whereby if

11:25

he had engaged in insurrection, he

11:27

would not be eligible. That is

11:29

going now to the Supreme Court. We

11:31

won't hear their ruling, their case

11:34

for it, for another month until

11:36

February the 8th, by

11:38

which time, just to take us

11:40

back to the beginning of things, we will have had

11:42

results in Iowa. We will have had results in New

11:44

Hampshire. He will have already

11:46

started his year of campaigning without

11:49

that getting in his way. And

11:51

each time he wins, it becomes

11:53

much harder, I would say, for

11:56

the courts of law to actually

11:58

try and tell. the American

12:00

public, they can't vote for him. And

12:03

everyone looks at Donald Trump and says,

12:05

look at this guy who built this

12:07

business empire and here is the successful

12:10

man of enterprise. Where Donald Trump has

12:12

been most successful is slowing down the

12:14

legal process. Whenever anyone has threatened him,

12:17

he has sued, he has sued again,

12:19

he has employed armies of lawyers whose

12:21

sole job is to

12:23

put sand in the gears so that

12:25

the engine splutters and comes to a

12:28

stop. And dollars come out.

12:30

Actually, don't forget the two biggest

12:32

days of fundraising in the Trump

12:34

campaign last year were the day

12:36

that he produced the mugshot on

12:38

a mug, his face after his

12:40

appearance in Georgia at the

12:42

state level and the day

12:45

of the other state case in New

12:48

York, the New York district attorney's

12:50

case. He raised millions. So

12:52

Donald Trump has found, as it

12:54

were, a winning formula. You

12:56

use the indictments to raise your money,

12:58

but you push away anything that could

13:00

actually look like a trial date or

13:03

a prosecution until you have

13:05

as much of the election campaign

13:07

behind you as is possible. So

13:09

Donald Trump is absolutely right to

13:11

be fearful of these court cases,

13:14

because I think that if he was

13:16

prosecuted and found guilty by

13:18

a jury of men and women in the

13:21

United States, that he has broken the

13:23

law, it is incredibly difficult to see how

13:25

he gets elected president. And it's incredibly difficult

13:27

to see how all those Republicans who, when

13:30

you've occupied them, they say, no, I've missed

13:32

what the latest thing that Donald Trump has

13:34

said that's outrageous. Oh, no, I haven't heard

13:36

about it. Sorry, I can't comment on it.

13:39

I think it would be impossible for the

13:41

Republican Party to say they are going to

13:43

support a convicted felon who has gone through

13:45

the courts of this. So you just play

13:48

as long as possible. And then Donald Trump

13:50

could pardon himself on the federal cases.

13:52

And it's arguable whether the state cases

13:54

would be able to go ahead with

13:56

Donald Trump serving as the president of

13:58

the United States. America

16:00

if this guy is seen to be getting away with

16:02

it again. Let's just listen to him. He calls those

16:05

who oppose him, vermin.

16:09

He talks about the blood of America

16:11

being poisoned, echoing

16:14

the same exact language used

16:17

in Nazi Germany. He

16:20

proudly posts on social media the words that

16:22

best describe his 2024 campaign, quote, change,

16:28

quote, power, quote,

16:30

dictatorship. I think that was

16:32

Biden at his strongest actually than we've heard

16:34

for a long time. But I

16:36

do think there is a

16:39

voice issue going on with a voice issue.

16:42

And I say that somebody very, I've lost my voice. And

16:46

so I can sort of feel it in him. And

16:48

yes, a lot has been made of

16:51

Biden's gentleness and of his stutter as

16:53

well. But I think something is creeping

16:55

in now, which is a sort of oral

16:58

messiness, if I can say that

17:00

he stumbles a bit too much.

17:02

It's quite quiet. He slightly

17:05

gets his words wrong. And I say this,

17:07

you know, something very, very conscious of how

17:09

easy it is to do that when you're

17:12

trying to formulate your

17:14

words as you go. But I think

17:16

the contrast with Trump at the moment, Trump

17:18

says a lot of things that are absolutely

17:20

factually incorrect, but he does

17:23

so with definition and

17:25

he never goes back on himself. Biden

17:28

corrects, recorrects, pauses, slightly fluffs his

17:31

lines. And I think it allows

17:33

Trump to paint him at this

17:35

point, a slightly doddery, slightly weak,

17:38

even though the essence of what

17:40

Biden's saying is critical. Yeah,

17:42

I thought in that speech, actually,

17:45

Biden sounded the strongest I've

17:47

heard here for a very long time. And

17:50

there are all sorts of examples where he

17:52

can be really super doddery and particularly when

17:54

he's not on auto queue. And

17:57

you see him even when he's having a one to one meeting

17:59

with another world leader. He's got sort of aid

18:01

memoirs on his lap, cue cards on his lap to

18:03

remind him of the name of the person he's talking

18:05

to and the title and all the rest of it.

18:08

But the painting of Biden as weak,

18:10

and I don't know whether you've read

18:12

about this case, of Lloyd Austin, the

18:14

defence secretary, who went into hospital for

18:17

some operation, still apparently in

18:19

hospital, and nobody in the

18:21

White House knew that he'd gone. He

18:24

hadn't told the president he was going to gain surgery.

18:26

This is the defence secretary at a

18:28

time when there is a war in

18:30

Ukraine and a war in the Middle

18:33

East that threatens to expand. On

18:35

the Republican side they're saying, oh my

18:37

God, what an example of a useless

18:40

president that you could possibly tolerate the

18:42

idea that Austin has gone off for

18:44

an operation and you knew nothing about

18:46

it. Aren't you going to fire him?

18:49

And the thing about Biden is

18:51

he's incredible, loyal or stubborn. And

18:54

apparently there is going to be no sanction

18:56

against Lloyd Austin for just disappearing and forgetting

18:58

to mention that the person in

19:00

charge of, in some ways,

19:02

the nuclear buttons and what America's military

19:04

response will be is incapacitated. Yeah,

19:07

it's that whole John McCain line, isn't it?

19:09

John McCain said the only thing a vice president

19:12

ever has to do is check how the president

19:14

is feeling in the morning. And I guess if

19:16

the president's okay, then does it matter if

19:18

the defence secretary has gone for a bit? Well,

19:20

maybe not. The

19:23

News Agents USA with Emily Maitless

19:25

and John Sople. The

19:30

News Agents USA. So

19:32

Iowa, we've decided, Maitless and

19:35

Sople have decided it's drink. New

19:37

Hampshire, which takes place a week

19:40

later, and that's the first primary

19:42

of the election season because, as

19:44

we've discussed, Iowa is a caucus,

19:46

different thing. A primary is just

19:48

like... You have to be in the party. Yeah,

19:51

and you just go and vote. It's

19:53

kind of that complicated thing, which is

19:55

why I support primaries rather than caucuses.

19:58

You're just not an odd romantic. No,

20:00

I'm not. No, it's just ridiculous. Anyway, don't

20:02

go down that route. The

20:04

primary in New Hampshire is

20:06

interesting because actually, although Donald

20:08

Trump is well out ahead,

20:11

Nikki Haley is emerging as the front

20:13

runner to challenge him. And

20:15

some of the polls, I'm saying some of

20:18

the polls, do have her within four, five,

20:20

six points of Trump. And

20:22

it is my contention that if

20:24

Haley were to win in

20:26

New Hampshire, it's a paradigm shift. It

20:30

suddenly changes the race

20:32

where Republicans will say,

20:34

well, maybe we would be better

20:37

off with this woman, Haley, because she

20:39

would stand a better chance of beating

20:41

Biden than Trump will. And

20:43

that could lead to a change in circumstances. And already

20:45

the money is flowing into Nikki Haley. I think you

20:48

should put your money where your mouth is. If you

20:50

think that Haley is going to win in New Hampshire,

20:52

you should get on a plane and go there. I

20:55

think you are trying to force me into a

20:57

humiliating prediction that you don't come back to me

20:59

in two weeks time and say,

21:01

so what happened about your prediction about

21:03

New Hampshire? No, it's

21:06

a really good question because at the moment,

21:08

the thing that arguably is hampering Nikki

21:10

Haley from winning, apart from Donald Trump,

21:12

is all the other people who are still

21:15

in the race. I think if it was

21:17

a cleaner race, if DeSantis does really badly

21:19

in Iowa, if he comes third,

21:22

let's say, in Iowa, is there a chance he

21:24

goes, it's game over. I'm done here. I can't

21:26

beat two of them. So he goes. If

21:29

Chris Christie, who's kind of sole

21:32

declared reason for being in the

21:34

race is to stop Donald Trump,

21:36

if he just pulled out, he

21:38

would actually make it much healthier,

21:40

much better for Nikki Haley. Would

21:42

his ego allow him to duck out of

21:44

both Iowa and New Hampshire? I think there

21:47

are interesting mathematical conundrums here, which could make

21:49

life much more possible for her in New

21:51

Hampshire, even though after New

21:54

Hampshire comes South Carolina, her home state, she

21:56

was the former governor of South Carolina, were

21:58

mostly in New Hampshire. people think Donald

22:00

Trump would still take away first place? I think

22:03

the Chris Christie one is the most interesting of

22:05

all of those because Chris Christie has made it

22:07

his business, as you say, to stop Trump. Well,

22:09

if you want to stop Trump, your best chance

22:12

of stopping Trump is for Nikki Haley to win

22:14

in New Hampshire and he is refusing at the

22:16

moment to get out of the way. It's so critical

22:18

that it's like, oh, do you really want to be helped to us? Do you

22:20

really want to be helped? Why don't you jump off that cliff? Why

22:22

don't you just take yourself out? But

22:24

there is another aspect of this, which the other problem that Nikki Haley

22:26

has is Nikki Haley,

22:29

because Nikki Haley did

22:31

an interview, did a town hall where

22:34

she should stop doing town halls,

22:36

honestly, listen to this because it

22:38

is painful in

22:40

the extreme. Audience question.

22:43

Thank you very much. Please, hold

22:46

the hall in the United States of

22:48

the world. Thank

22:58

you. And then in the year 2023,

23:01

if you're trying to intervene,

23:03

could you answer that question

23:06

without mentioning the word slavery?

23:12

And that

23:21

is the central problem of the

23:23

Haley campaign. What does Nikki

23:25

Haley bloody well think? Because she's saying

23:27

all sorts of things to all sorts

23:30

of different audiences. And so

23:32

people are rightly saying, will

23:34

the real Nikki Haley please stand

23:36

up? Look, she's a Southern governor.

23:38

She was a Southern governor from

23:40

a Confederate state. So clearly she

23:42

is trying to work out her

23:44

very narrow pathway through not pissing

23:47

off the people that she has

23:49

to appeal to in South Carolina,

23:51

whilst also talking directly to the

23:54

New Hampshireans. What do we call them? Well, the

23:56

Granite State. There you go. Who were

23:58

on the winning side. And so I

24:00

guess that gives you a really clear

24:03

insight, not just into the sort

24:05

of chameleon qualities of her, but she's

24:07

not actually that good at dealing

24:09

with audience questions, right? That came

24:11

from an audience member. Yeah, and the poor.

24:14

You should be better at that. And also, honestly,

24:16

we are now in the 21st century. It

24:19

is 2024. Surely

24:22

it is no longer a question

24:25

of contested history, but

24:27

the American Civil War was about slavery

24:29

and the abolition of slavery. And if

24:31

you can't say that, in fact, in

24:34

fairness to Nikki Haley, she

24:36

was the governor in South Carolina

24:39

that agreed to take down the Confederate flags

24:41

everywhere that were flying. So she has been

24:43

bold on this, realizing that the

24:45

Confederacy was something that was to, you know,

24:47

a lot of black people living in South

24:49

Carolina, something appalling that those flags did like.

24:52

She took down Confederate flags. You and I

24:54

were both there after the shooting at the

24:56

Mother Emanuel Church, where Joe Biden actually was

24:58

making his stump speech on the anniversary of

25:00

January the 6th. And that was

25:03

a racist killing. And Nikki

25:05

Haley responded by removing

25:07

the Confederate flag in a state that

25:09

still was seen by many to have very

25:11

strong racist, overtone, racist elements

25:14

that had led to the killing of nine

25:16

black people while they were at

25:18

prayer. And if you're going back into

25:20

history, South Carolina was the first state

25:22

to secede over the abolition of

25:25

slavery that resulted in the civil war coming around.

25:27

So you can see that 160, 170 years ago,

25:29

this was complicated history. But

25:33

today she ought to have been able to answer

25:35

that question a lot more clearly. And she's tried to

25:37

clear up the mess. I mean, all the pivots, yeah,

25:39

but don't walk into it and then just kind of

25:41

get swallowed up by it. But she's then tried to

25:43

clear up the mess in subsequent interviews, where she said,

25:46

oh, well, we all Know that it's slavery.

25:48

I Thought the questioner was asking about

25:50

something different. No, I Think you were

25:52

trying to be too cute, too invasive.

25:54

You were trying to be slippery when

25:56

people wanted a straight answer. And I

25:59

Think that if. Highly is swim much

26:01

as the main challenger to Donald Trump

26:03

then she needs to be a whole

26:05

lot clearer about where she stands at.

26:07

A whole pile of issues because of

26:09

the moment is pretty ambiguous. The News

26:11

Agency Usa with Emily Majors and John

26:14

Sopel. The

26:17

News Agency Usa. Network.

26:23

That putting your money where your mouth

26:25

is. I miss his sights. On Sunday

26:27

night when I was what at a sonic.

26:30

To is the fourth most senior

26:32

republican legislator in the house who

26:35

was giving an interview with she

26:37

was a pin the same language.

26:39

As Donald Trump talking about the

26:41

Jenny the Six Stitches. Not.

26:44

Convicts but hostages.

26:46

I see also kept on doing

26:49

this very odd sleight of hand

26:51

where every time she talks about

26:53

the Trump court cases, she'd call

26:56

them the Democrats. Court cases as

26:58

is, Joe Biden was actually in

27:00

charge of the Department of Justice

27:02

and indeed the rule of law.

27:04

And this is starting to become

27:06

I'm gonna say of we've in

27:09

the fabric of language that you

27:11

will hear. Trump fans thought to use

27:13

now helping him along his way. I

27:15

have. Concerns about the treatment of January

27:18

Six hostages. I have concerns we have

27:20

a role in Congress of oversight of

27:22

our treatments. Prisoners are and I believe

27:24

that we're seeing the weaponization of the

27:26

Federal government against not as President Trump,

27:29

but we're seeing it against conservative, for

27:31

sing and against Catholic or enough. One

27:33

of the reasons why I'm so proud

27:35

to serve on the Select Committee On

27:37

the Weapons and some of the government's

27:40

because the American people want answers, they

27:42

want transparency and they understand that as

27:44

you look across this country. Sixty. Two

27:46

sets of rules as your last name is

27:48

Clinton or if biden easier to live by

27:51

a different set of rules. and if you're

27:53

an everyday patriotic American I got the sense

27:55

that points that she was mean it just

27:57

sort of furthering laying down a little beds

27:59

or. offering to be his vice

28:01

president I get you I get your language

28:04

I think I'm the girl for you

28:06

we know that he said he'd quite

28:08

like a female VP it's not inconceivable

28:11

that she could be so near or around

28:13

the top of his list you're smiling at me like

28:15

a man who I was

28:18

just thinking that you're right that Donald Trump has

28:20

said there are attractions about the idea of having

28:22

a woman VP although he also went on to

28:24

say I will choose the best candidate but the

28:26

auditions have started and Donald Trump remember was Miss

28:28

Universe pageant you know he used to talk about

28:31

I was there with him he used to talk

28:33

about all the beautiful girls when

28:35

he met Zelensky he talked about Ukraine and said

28:38

you know Ukraine has some beautiful women because that's

28:40

all he could remember what facts do I know

28:42

about Ukraine I've seen some really hot Ukrainian chicks

28:44

when I was doing the Miss Universe pageant and

28:47

so you've got now got Elise Stefanik who is

28:49

parading herself on auditioning some people say

28:52

that Nikki Haley is still auditioning and

28:54

that's why she won't be really critical

28:56

Donald Trump you have got Kristy Noam

28:58

who is the governor of South Carolina

29:00

who has said in a heartbeat she

29:02

would be happy to be the

29:04

vice presidential candidate some are

29:07

even saying Marjorie Taylor Greene she

29:10

of the Zionist so they

29:12

double down that's the question does he

29:14

I mean a normal candidate a normal

29:16

presidential nominee would try and do

29:18

the sort of seesaw thing where you go oh

29:20

I'm an old white man I must find a

29:22

young black woman or I'm somebody from the right

29:25

of the party I must try and find somebody

29:27

from the left of the party with Trump I

29:29

don't actually buy any of that I think he's

29:31

more likely weirdly just to choose somebody who agrees

29:33

with him all the way no I don't agree with

29:35

that I think that Trump recognizes that

29:37

he's got vulnerabilities and he's certainly got

29:39

a vulnerability among women voters that is

29:42

why it would be a very attractive

29:44

team to have a woman on the

29:46

ticket and remember his base is solid

29:49

what is Marjorie Taylor Greene going to bring

29:51

that he doesn't already bring he needs somebody

29:53

else and so I'm going to give you

29:55

two names that I will be absolutely robbed

29:57

about I think that Nikki Haley is a

29:59

contender And that is why she recognizes

30:01

that she probably can't stop Trump, but you don't

30:03

want to make him too much of an enemy

30:06

And I think that actually for a lot

30:08

of Republicans I know in the States they

30:10

would find it reassuring that if Nikki Haley

30:12

was on the ticket then they could I'm

30:14

sure they Were for Trump the other person

30:16

who I think to watch carefully is

30:19

Sarah Huckabee Sanders who was Donald Trump's press secretary

30:21

Who I had a lot of dealings with when

30:23

she was press secretary and I was out there

30:25

in DC And she's a great fun human being

30:27

I've got to tell you that But

30:29

she's also the governor now of

30:31

Arkansas and I think he

30:33

doesn't need Arkansas So I think you know

30:35

where she's got a maturity and a sense

30:37

in the kind of cleverness about her and

30:40

subtlety Republican royalty, right? She's Republican royalty

30:42

So dad as we were talking about

30:44

Mike Huckabee he won in Iowa And

30:46

so I think it is possible that

30:48

somebody like Sarah Huckabee Sanders could emerge

30:51

as the VP Let's throw Tucker Carlson

30:53

in that list just Giggles

30:55

yeah, why not he's not a woman though. He's

30:57

not I Don't

30:59

know what he is really He

31:02

is Tucker Carlson. He's a don't brand.

31:04

Yes. We'll be back next

31:06

Tuesday. No next Wednesday Yeah, we changed

31:08

so keep up We decided actually

31:10

that we're gonna make life easier for

31:13

both you and us because so many

31:15

of these big contests this year Will

31:17

be on a Tuesday night. We're going to give

31:19

you the results on our Wednesday episode. So

31:21

we're not out of date It

31:23

is simple as that. See

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