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This is a Global Player

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original podcast. Now

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you've all heard the chatter among

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the political class. They're

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falling all over themselves saying this

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race is over. Well

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I have news for all of them. New

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Hampshire is first in

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the nation. It is not the last

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in the nation. This

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race is far from over. There

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are dozens of states left to

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go. Yes

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technically, technically she's right.

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This race has still got a long way to go.

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There are a lot of states but

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show me a viable path by

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which Nikki Haley wins

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the Republican nomination after

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Trump has triumphed in

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Iowa and last night in New

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Hampshire. She has to say

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she's carrying on and for a

1:10

while she will carry on

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but for how long? Last night

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I predicted that if she lost by a

1:17

margin of five points she was definitely in

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the race. If she lost by a margin of

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15 points she was definitely

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out. She lost by around 10 and

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a half 11 so you choose. Welcome

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to the News Agents USA. Is

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John? Is Emily? And how

1:40

much sleep have we had between us? Probably not a huge amount. Not between

1:42

us, that sounds very very bad. John

1:46

was having... In separate properties miles

1:48

apart. I'm quite flattered that

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John's night was full of dreams of

1:52

me and us getting lost looking for

1:55

the Pwning Piths in New Hampshire.

1:57

Exactly and I was also looking for

1:59

the recurrent nightmare. dream that I have. It's

2:01

turning into a therapy session where I can't find the

2:03

studio I'm meant to be broadcasting from and I can't

2:05

get there and I'm lost and I can't find and

2:07

I'm due on air. It's only a recurring nightmare because

2:09

it has happened to both of us so many times

2:12

with so many deadlines looming. But

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it was, the result was

2:16

kind of really interesting last night

2:18

in that it wasn't the astonishing

2:20

shocker of Nikki Haley winning

2:23

which we had all both discounted

2:25

as really being possible or

2:27

probable. But it wasn't the

2:29

total slam dunk for Donald

2:31

Trump either. And it left

2:33

it in a grey area

2:36

where Nikki Haley was able to come up on stage

2:38

and said look I was polling about 2% at

2:41

the start of this. I'm now polling around 40%. You

2:43

know what things

2:45

aren't going so bad. Yeah, look in

2:47

perspective if Nikki wasn't going to win

2:50

New Hampshire she's honestly not going to

2:52

win anywhere. This is the state that is

2:54

the most Nikki Haley shaped of anywhere that

2:56

we will see in these early

2:58

races. Much more independent, much

3:00

more affluent. I mean she did a lot

3:03

of her campaign stops in sort of country

3:05

clubs and universities. It's that kind of place.

3:07

It's not Iowa and it's not even the

3:09

state she's got to approach next her

3:11

own one, South Carolina. And

3:13

what do we mean by that? There was a less

3:16

MAGA Republican crowd. One of the most

3:18

interesting sort of exit

3:21

poll numbers of the night was

3:23

the number of people who were

3:25

coming out to vote who said they were part

3:27

of the MAGA movement. 32% said yes, 64% said

3:29

no. So that was Nikki Haley's

3:34

crowd. And yes she didn't do

3:36

terribly but look realistically there's

3:38

an 11% gap between

3:41

her and Trump in the place that

3:43

she would have done the best of

3:45

anywhere. I would also say

3:47

that this was a win primarily

3:51

for the Democratic Party, actually for Biden.

3:53

Because if you look at all the

3:56

what they call registered undeclared or independents,

3:58

47% Now,

4:00

I know you're not a big fan of this argument,

4:02

but actually if Donald Trump is

4:04

only getting Republicans and

4:06

he's getting 49% Republicans

4:09

and she's getting all those underclared

4:12

or independents who hate Trump, then

4:14

where do they go come the general

4:17

election? If I was now a Democrat

4:19

thinking, well, I think New Hampshire is

4:21

very much a swing state because there's a

4:23

lot of people there that don't like

4:25

him. Remember, he had 97% of the

4:28

Republican Party last time round and he's still

4:30

lost to Biden by 7 million votes. Okay,

4:32

popular votes. This time he's got kind

4:34

of half of it. So what does that

4:36

look like in a general election? Okay, let me just

4:39

deal with that argument because I do sort of

4:41

disagree with you. For one simple

4:43

reason. Yeah, there are an awful lot of Republicans

4:45

who don't like Trump and who don't want Trump.

4:48

Are they going to vote for Joe Biden? That's the

4:51

question. I mean, that is the key question because it

4:53

seems to me that if you look

4:55

at the rock solid support of people who

4:57

would die in the last ditch for Donald

4:59

Trump and rock solid support of

5:02

people who would die in the last ditch

5:04

for Joe Biden, there are many

5:06

more Trump loyalists who would be those

5:08

people in the last ditch. Whereas

5:10

Biden's problem is going to be to

5:12

get people to turn out. And

5:15

I think you said it really eloquently if

5:17

I may say so, Miss Makelist the other

5:19

day. Thank you very much. Was

5:22

when you said the battle is not between Biden and

5:24

Trump, it's between Biden and the sofa. And you know,

5:26

just people who think, you know what, I can't be

5:28

asked. I don't trust any of them. I don't like

5:30

either of them. We know the polls

5:32

that say 70% of Americans don't want either

5:35

of them as president. I think turnout is going

5:37

to be the critical issue. I think that's right.

5:39

And I think if you look amongst the

5:42

Republican Party goes back to that very first

5:44

stat that we were talking about ahead of

5:46

the Iowa caucus, which is the enthusiasm for

5:48

Donald Trump is 49% right. Massive.

5:51

You know, they're really enthusiastic for him. Enthusiasm

5:54

at the time for Nikki Haley was about 9%. In

5:57

Other words, if it was snowy and cold, were

5:59

you the. Leave your say certain go out

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for Nikki Haley's I think know. It.

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Actually turns around. Because

6:05

I think the democrats can use

6:08

this. To focus mines. The

6:10

have to say right there was no Haley There was

6:12

never on the census. This a middle. Ground Republican:

6:14

It's Trump or it's Bidens.

6:16

And yes, I think Trump

6:18

supporters run towards Trump. In.

6:21

A way that Biden supporters don't run

6:23

towards Biden. And I think there's a

6:25

lot of people who also run away

6:27

from Trump's and those are the people

6:29

that will be energized now my bike

6:31

and will act as the key constituency

6:34

in November which was telling the story

6:36

of last night because Nikki Haley she

6:38

came up and said I'm a fighter

6:40

on on a scrappy She basically said

6:42

the Peter Mandelson like the how about

6:44

the bikes are not a quitter but

6:46

she also I think caught on to

6:49

Donald Trump skin with some of the

6:51

remarks. That she made and they

6:53

were well targeted. The Us

6:55

has a son also accused me

6:57

of not providing security at the

6:59

top. Or

7:07

Mental Competency Test politicians over the

7:09

age of seventy five. Shots.

7:18

At our. In. One of those

7:21

hey. Maisie, Why?

7:23

Maybe. He won. But.

7:26

As he sat. Then

7:28

he should have no problem

7:30

standing on a debate stage.

7:32

For most Americans do not

7:34

want a rematch between Biden

7:36

and Trump. First

7:41

party to retire. It's eighty year old.

7:43

It is going to be the Parties

7:45

at Windsor. So let's say that is

7:47

how Nikki Haley is trying to forge

7:50

a path. She doesn't call him out

7:52

for any the things that seemed glaringly.

7:54

Obvious like being as election deny,

7:56

like being a sexual abuse us

7:59

like standing in four major trials

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in the coming. Guess. What she

8:03

does is say he's lost his

8:05

cognitive ability to govern, and this

8:07

refers to a speech that he

8:09

made where he seems to confuse

8:11

her with Nancy. Pelosi to the

8:14

old. Earth Democrat the former.

8:16

Leader of the House who was also

8:18

not responsible for what happens on the

8:20

sixth of January. But that

8:23

was a moment that Trump

8:25

seems to have found unforgivable

8:27

because there was no nice,

8:29

nice, nice, Of the his victory

8:31

of Nikki Haley in New Hampshire, he

8:33

was horrid. We need to play up,

8:35

isn't that? Because if you remember what

8:37

you and I were talking about off

8:39

the Iowa was Mister Unity Mister. Come

8:41

together. Let's will hold hands and love

8:43

each other. It's of respect each other.

8:45

There was none of that last night

8:48

and I think Nikki Haley had got

8:50

completely under a my skin with that

8:52

attack. Who the hell was the imposter

8:54

said went up on the stage before

8:56

and like claimed a victory. She did

8:58

very poorly actually. She. Had to win.

9:00

The governor said sister when she's going to

9:02

when she's going to win fancy she failed

9:05

to badly. Now I have here if if

9:07

he promises to do to do with it

9:09

a minute or less. But.

9:11

The only person more angry. Than

9:14

let's say me but I don't get too. Angry

9:16

I get even. Donald

9:21

some to remind us that isolates.

9:23

That vindictive. Streak is really strong

9:26

and he comes across as a bit

9:28

of applause. Bully They're. Essentially, he

9:30

cannot bear the site that even

9:32

though she's lost this race, she's

9:34

not bowing out. And I think

9:37

that's important when you talk about.

9:39

Unity in own His sort of. Pretense.

9:41

that unity the other place with heard

9:43

a cool. For unity from. His

9:46

the Republican National Committee that

9:48

share has called for unity

9:50

and thus is. Also.

9:52

A slightly veiled threats I think

9:54

to Nikki Haley and what it

9:57

means is oh colony, just get.

9:59

Out. The Race Now. How do you? just for the

10:01

sake of your. Own political future colony just

10:03

out. Now we'll want to get behind

10:05

Donald Trump's so. In Nikki

10:07

Haley's next moves and it looks as

10:09

if from what's he saying, she doesn't

10:12

want. To continue, can see really go

10:14

on to South Carolina her own a

10:16

home state and lose in a big

10:18

way. They're that's embarrassing but is she

10:20

also weighing up the slightly coded message

10:22

from the are and see which is

10:24

saying get Help. Was. It was

10:27

really interesting. is that? just going

10:29

back to. What? She said

10:31

about from being old and

10:33

getting confused what trump said

10:35

himself. Where he got

10:38

confused him last night.

10:41

Trump is vindictive. We know

10:43

that. What? People under

10:45

appreciate. His vulnerability and

10:47

he is vulnerable to an attack

10:49

like that. uneasy. Makes a couple

10:52

more hours where he gets name's

10:54

confused and he gets people of

10:56

the issue becomes his cognitive decline

10:59

rather. The Joe Biden on is

11:01

fascinating That the Biden campaign. Have

11:04

already put out of a talk had

11:06

saying that the problem is the person

11:08

whose dog off is not me. Is

11:10

that bloke Donald Trump see the nutty

11:12

one on I think that that is

11:14

a vulnerability and that explains the question

11:16

you just need Wise Nikki Haley staying

11:18

in the race is because that might

11:20

be to more of those a which

11:22

case people are going to say. The

11:25

phone from refitted off on so I

11:27

think she's prepared to weather the storm

11:30

for the Rnc. The Rnc can go

11:32

whistle Dixie as far as she says

11:34

said she's going to stay in it

11:37

because she believes that Trump is still

11:39

vulnerable is still a week transit. And

11:42

yes, for all the meant to be

11:44

scored couple more cops he could be

11:46

televised. very different. figure out. My son's

11:48

would call it an early and extinction

11:50

level event. Nice and I got. You.

11:52

Assad's have great have a similar get

11:54

Ribeiro Erica discussing extinction level event six

11:56

level events. And the idea I think

11:59

is that she's sort of hovering now,

12:01

right? She's sort of circling like a

12:03

plane above he throws that can actually

12:05

learn she can't find a landing strips

12:07

but she sort of way six Like,

12:09

is he going to have the heart

12:11

attack? Is he gonna lose his marbles?

12:13

Is he can get a risk? That

12:15

is. he going to get convicted? Is

12:18

he going to be forceful up for

12:20

another reason and she wants to be

12:22

the person that is just waiting for

12:24

any of those events to happen. Such

12:26

a me with who to ridiculous kind

12:28

of hypotheses. Know what is the chance

12:30

of any that we just don't know,

12:32

but none of them seem. Thus,

12:34

unlikely old. That's impossible when.

12:37

You put trump I'm biden to get on. I

12:39

think it's goes back to your. Question.

12:41

Like. Isn't as extraordinary that we're

12:44

talking about? Two. Candidates that

12:46

a both calling each other seen all.

12:48

I mean honestly that's the best he

12:50

got to offer and as we know

12:52

seventy percent of the voters well think

12:54

it isn't good. As. Well as

12:56

just play the attacks Biden

12:58

campaign has put out about

13:01

Trump. Nine Percent

13:03

of you know Nikki

13:05

Haley. Regularly Nikki Haley.

13:08

Going on and I'm asking me more.

13:11

Why didn't hang on January Second?

13:13

that this is usually the judge

13:16

of security will for ten thousand

13:18

people. Didn't want to talk about

13:20

this. Our. Young

13:25

voter Id to buy a loaf of bread Yes,

13:27

you have idea. To buy a loaf of bread

13:29

was. For

13:32

this I'm driving over road was almost

13:35

all pay for the new know you

13:37

can see paper. I know paper. I

13:39

know Chance for all the time. Now

13:41

we see wells washing up on shore

13:43

because of the window. Or veterans don't

13:45

have cell phones do they. Got

13:49

confused. And

13:53

we did With Obama. We won

13:56

election that everyone said couldn't be

13:58

one Obama wants. to

14:00

talk about it. Well, you mean President Biden.

14:02

So, uh... Don't put our country at risk

14:04

like this. I'm Joe Biden,

14:06

and I approve this message. I

14:09

mean, what is extraordinary is the Democrats

14:11

weaponizing Nikki Haley, literally using

14:14

all her words to

14:17

point out his deficiencies that is

14:19

not going to make her popular

14:21

in the Trump team. And I

14:23

think they've been wickedly clever on that one, actually.

14:25

I mean, will it affect? I don't know. Do

14:27

these things have an effect? I

14:29

think it's interesting that they've given up talking

14:31

about, you know, democracy, particularly, they've given up

14:33

talking about him as a danger, and they're

14:35

just now trying to point to him as

14:38

a foolish old man. You

14:40

know, it's a kind of tables turn thing. I've

14:43

said before that I think if Biden has

14:45

one more slip, literally, then

14:47

that could be his campaign over because it

14:49

just plays to the sense that he's doddery.

14:52

I think Trump is in a very similar

14:54

position or could be very soon if

14:57

there is more of this kind of

14:59

linguistic word salad where you can't make

15:01

a single sense out of what he's

15:04

trying to say, where he clearly got

15:06

Nikki Haley totally confused repeatedly

15:09

with Nancy Pelosi as drawn

15:11

attention to in that

15:13

attack ad. And that is what is so bloody

15:16

terrifying for the American people. On

15:19

the UK episode of the news agents gave

15:22

us a wonderful history of the phrase,

15:24

two bald men fighting over a comb.

15:27

What we have in America now is two

15:29

very old men fighting over a Zimmer frame,

15:31

except it's a Zimmer frame that's got a

15:33

red button on it, which has could launch

15:35

nuclear off of a Geddon. And that is

15:38

just a frankly terrifying thought that it could

15:40

be a 78 year old versus an 81

15:43

year old at the election. These

15:45

guys have got that sort of

15:47

power at their fingertips. We'll

15:49

be back after the break. The

15:53

news agents USA with Emily Maitless

15:55

and John Sople. News

16:00

Agents USA. Now

16:02

we should also talk about the Democrats

16:05

and the primary last night

16:07

because although it is pretty

16:09

much uncontested in the sense that

16:11

they have the incumbent Joe Biden, there

16:13

are other candidates. Joe Biden wasn't on

16:15

the ballot last night, President Biden wasn't on

16:18

the ballot, but he still managed to secure 51%

16:21

of the votes as a write-in candidate. Now

16:23

when people sort of say that, you're thinking,

16:25

what would you mean a write-in? It literally

16:27

means you get your slipper paper and you

16:29

write the name, which is easy if it's

16:32

Joe Biden and everyone knows how to

16:34

spell it. It's hard if it's a complicated

16:36

name. I remember years ago, the

16:39

Alaska Senator, Lisa Murkowski, who

16:41

had to hand out little bracelets with

16:43

beads on which showed how her name

16:45

was spelled so that when people went

16:47

to the poll, they actually followed

16:50

the beads on the bracelet and wrote it in. Anyway,

16:53

with or without him turning up... Just add

16:55

to that that it's worth adding that Lisa

16:57

Murkowski did win. Oh, she did win. She

16:59

won a Senate seat even though she was

17:01

a complete outsider, which is extraordinary. Yeah.

17:04

So the write-in thing is quite interesting

17:07

because it sort of opens the way

17:09

for people who might not have been

17:11

registered early on. In this case, Joe

17:14

Biden deliberately eschewed New Hampshire. And

17:16

I think it's important to remember that four years

17:18

ago when he was standing, he didn't win in

17:20

Iowa, he didn't win in New Hampshire. By the

17:22

end of New Hampshire, we'd pretty much written off

17:25

Joe Biden as the candidate, right? We

17:27

were sitting there going, oh, I think it might be Bloomberg. It

17:29

was South Carolina that salvaged him. It was South Carolina

17:31

that saved him. So Joe Biden, anyway,

17:34

51% of the vote,

17:36

20% went to the Minnesota and

17:38

Dean Phillips, who from what I hear is

17:40

a very nice guy, a very charming, self-effacing

17:42

guy who doesn't at all want to take

17:44

on Biden, but he thinks that somebody has

17:46

to. He thinks that somebody should have stepped

17:48

up to sort of fill the, as it

17:51

were, the gap between

17:53

America and the octogenarian leader.

17:56

And so he's put himself forward. I think he got around 20% on the

17:58

ballot. The vote from

18:01

New Hampshire that his last. Night

18:03

and then those I williamson who

18:05

they are, self help kind of

18:07

group sort of persons. Ground Zero

18:09

Five percent I think. You know

18:11

that once caught he finished. I do

18:13

think is worth talking about a third

18:15

party candidates because we've seen the effect

18:17

that they can have in elections are

18:19

Hillary Clinton. One of the reasons she

18:21

thinks she didn't win in Twenty sixteen

18:23

was that Jill Stein to to as

18:25

a green card. that and took enough

18:27

votes from her in some of the

18:29

key swing states that could have pushed

18:31

rosa the lines we saw in earlier

18:33

elections the Ralph Nader's in the Ross

18:35

Parros trying to get. I think that

18:37

the Twenty Four and Action is the

18:39

rightist it has ever been. For

18:42

a third party candidate is

18:44

someone could emerge who could

18:46

build the ground game across

18:49

fifty states who would appeal

18:51

to disaffected democrats, liberal republicans,

18:54

Independence and all those people who just

18:56

can't go near Trump because they feel

18:58

allergic to him on his I suppose

19:00

since they can get some serious voting

19:02

number. And I think the site that there

19:04

isn't tells he just how hard it is.

19:06

Just so dominant that a Gemini of the

19:08

two party system isn't the U S buses.

19:10

We've heard this whole i Did the Lincoln

19:12

project which was, you know, never trump. These

19:15

was sort of disaffected republicans who really

19:17

wanted to kind. Of send out the

19:19

message to be anti Trump's I mean that

19:21

hasn't managed to sort of find a candidate

19:23

that was the no labels idea which we

19:26

thought Joe Manchin, the West Virginia set of

19:28

said might be getting behind but actually no

19:30

be set for would that's as I say

19:32

Dean Phillips and only stood either. He says

19:34

of a few democrats that he would argue

19:37

with any didn't up because that was a

19:39

gun. And of course is Rob F. Kennedy. This

19:41

Room F. Kennedy. Who is kind of want

19:43

to say this of the joke? Canada

19:45

is the anti vax candidates. He's the

19:47

one who thought decide really whether he's

19:49

republican or democrat. Even He comes from

19:52

this extraordinary sort of democrat Royal seats

19:54

family of the Kennedys and. I.

19:56

Think he'll probably end up

19:58

taking. votes

20:00

from the Republicans from Trump. Well because

20:02

I think the lane that he swims in

20:05

is conspiracy theories and much more maggery than

20:07

it is Democrats. Oh, talking about conspiracy theories.

20:09

Oh go on. You've got a new

20:11

one for me. I've got a new one. Shall we just bring

20:13

in our old friend, Marjorie Taylor

20:16

Greene, the Georgia congresswoman

20:18

who decided that Nikki

20:20

Haley, Nikki Haley is the

20:23

election denier this time around. Just have a listen to

20:25

her from last night. These are

20:27

fake numbers. Nikki Haley does not have

20:29

this much support. She's going to come

20:31

out and claim that she's rising in

20:33

the polls. All these fake

20:35

news media people up here on

20:37

this platform are going to claim that

20:40

Nikki Haley is rising in the

20:42

polls. It's a total complete lie. Absolute

20:44

lie. Tonight Nikki Haley was defeated.

20:46

The problem is she's going to be

20:48

dumb enough and she's going to be

20:51

a fake candidate and she's going

20:53

to keep going and we're going to

20:55

destroy her in South Carolina. It's

20:57

going to be a complete humiliation.

20:59

I can't wait to see it

21:01

happen. Marjorie Taylor Greene makes my ears

21:04

bleed. I mean, listening to that. They're just

21:06

so nasty to each other, aren't they? I

21:08

mean, honestly. But there is a

21:10

kind of weird subtext here as well. Donald

21:13

Trump has said that he

21:15

would favor having a

21:17

woman vice president. You

21:20

do sense that there is a

21:22

bit of an audition going on among

21:25

various women in the Republican Party who

21:27

want to be that person, whether

21:29

it's the New York Congresswoman, Elise Stefanik,

21:32

whether it's the Arizona governor, hopeful

21:34

Carrie Lake, former TV presenter, whether

21:36

it's Marjorie Taylor Greene, whether it's

21:38

Kristi Nirm, the South Dakota governor.

21:41

They're all doing their bit to be out there

21:44

super for Trump. And you just

21:46

sense, is this just some kind of horrible

21:49

beauty parade that Trump will be loving?

21:51

He'll be lapping every second of it

21:53

up. It's so funny you say that because

21:55

I was just thinking that basically his life

21:57

has carried On that twin trajectory. Of

22:00

the beauty pageant he's to own, miss

22:02

America, and the a princess that he's

22:04

to run. The show an M

22:07

B C and it feels like everyone

22:09

is constantly in this position. Of

22:11

auditioning for Trump whether it's. For

22:13

the V P, whether it's be a

22:15

side with, been at his cabinet and

22:18

I think that is basically how he

22:20

wants the world to be. this is

22:22

the centrifugal force and those are sort

22:24

of flying around the outside quite often

22:26

making the cell sound. Easy or

22:29

sick he is the T V direct

22:31

her party. Parcel. Know he

22:33

wants everything to be are some. He wants

22:35

it to be a show at their various

22:37

people who is some team to play the

22:39

part of. They know that they have to

22:41

play the part is they got to be

22:43

a Donald Trump's good graces you know? And

22:46

so he said of really sensitive the new

22:48

Congress or with the other day she's a

22:50

killer. What a compliment! There is no higher

22:52

praise in the Donald Trump book that she's

22:54

a killer of every what. It is fine

22:56

for Donald Trump's attached to that used to

22:58

humiliate smoke. Oh yeah and. Give you

23:01

this clip of the to Get

23:03

kinda thought to is the South

23:05

Carolina senator appointed previously by Nikki

23:07

Haley's Who Is No thrown his

23:10

endorsement. Behind Donald Trump's. And

23:12

old some takes inducement and at the

23:14

same time kind of rose it back

23:17

in his face. It's really humiliating. Together.

23:19

Think that. She

23:21

actually appointed shoots him. And.

23:25

Think of it appointed and you

23:28

the senator of his state and

23:30

she endorsed me. You

23:33

must really hate her. Now.

23:36

We don't understand that line. We think that

23:38

might be another cognitive. Little slip because

23:41

we don't remember Nikki Haley

23:43

Endorsing Trump. Except to

23:45

put her hands up on the

23:47

Tv debate stage. To say they

23:49

would continue to support the nominee

23:51

even is. Suitably. Be talking

23:54

about that person was convicted of

23:56

a crime. Now just to

23:58

go back to. some of

24:00

the exit polling that we had on that night

24:02

last night in New Hampshire, there

24:05

was one that said 51% of

24:07

Republican voters would

24:10

support Donald Trump even if he

24:12

were convicted. Right? And

24:15

I do think that's interesting

24:17

because if that's where the Republican voter

24:19

in New Hampshire is, then

24:22

all bets are off. That was the one thing that

24:25

I think the Democrats were kind of clinging

24:27

to saying, well, let's see where these court

24:29

cases go. Let's see where the indictments go.

24:31

Let's see if he's actually convicted. And a

24:33

lot of people that we've spoken to, you

24:35

know, informally on the ground have said, we

24:38

can support him for now. If he gets

24:40

convicted, I'm not sure. That would suggest that

24:42

the majority of his party of his party

24:44

could continue to support a man who is

24:46

a convicted criminal. I think with

24:48

Donald Trump, you are always looking at

24:50

the wrong end of the telescope because

24:53

you think that the things that would

24:55

magnify, you've been charged

24:57

with criminal offenses, would be the thing

24:59

that would destroy you. Donald

25:02

Trump a year ago, a little over a

25:04

year ago, was politically dead. I mean, he

25:06

was doing very badly in the polls. He

25:08

wasn't going up. There was that kind of

25:10

sense of January the 6th that then emgraved

25:12

damage. There was no political comeback. So what's

25:15

changed over the past year,

25:17

all the indictments, the charges, which

25:20

he has played brilliantly, he has

25:22

played them brilliantly to suggest that

25:24

it is Joe Biden's kind of

25:27

vendetta against him that the Justice

25:29

Department is acting as a political

25:31

hatchet on him. And

25:34

that if they could come after me, Donald Trump, think

25:36

of what they could do to you,

25:38

the ordinary American people. And that has

25:41

resonated. And so Donald Trump has turned

25:43

potentially the area of greatest weakness

25:46

into his political salvation. in

26:00

a vacuum. You need

26:02

to get support from people who

26:04

you have scared. And that's what's

26:06

happened. I mean, we've said it

26:09

before many times, I think that what

26:11

happened after January the sixth

26:13

suggested so many of the

26:15

old school Republicans were prepared to cut

26:17

ties with a man they now

26:19

deemed dangerous. And what

26:21

happened shortly after that, they all decided, well, we'll

26:24

give him another go. He looks powerful

26:27

still. He looks scary still. I

26:29

don't want my political career to be over. And

26:32

so they all came around. And that's basically the

26:34

story of Donald Trump. He has been enabled.

26:37

I don't want my political career to be

26:39

over is the key quote that they are

26:41

terrified of him and what he might do

26:43

to their political careers. And so if it

26:45

means you bend the knee, if it means

26:47

you turned a blind eye, if it means

26:50

you close your ears to some of the

26:52

egregious things that he says, you

26:54

do it, even if you know that

26:56

he's not a proven winner. I

26:58

mean, the story of Donald Trump is

27:00

he won once 2016 and hasn't won

27:02

since. So what is extraordinary just to

27:05

sort of end where we started is

27:07

that the race between Nikki Haley and

27:09

Biden would really scare the

27:11

Democrats. Yeah, if the Republican Party

27:13

wanted to win the presidency, they

27:15

would be backing Nikki Haley at

27:17

this point, not Donald Trump. The

27:19

fact that they consider Donald Trump

27:22

too serious or too scary to ignore

27:24

for their own political futures, I think

27:27

tells you a lot about what

27:29

they want to get from their party

27:31

right now. And where the

27:33

center of political gravity is in

27:36

the Republican Party, it is a

27:38

wholly owned subsidiary of Donald

27:40

Trump Enterprises. The

27:42

news agents USA with Emily Mateles

27:44

and John Sople. The

27:49

news agents USA. So

27:53

Before we go, what should we tell you

27:55

about the calendar, the election calendar ahead? The

27:57

Next race is the one that no one

27:59

talks about. And that is

28:01

what's happening in Nevada the week of

28:03

the sixth of February Eighth of February.

28:05

And that's because they basically have a

28:07

caucus and a primary together. but they

28:09

kind of slip outside. the real Race

28:11

said they do their own independent things.

28:13

nobody pays any attention to. Accept minute people

28:15

who think that they don't have come. Under Us

28:18

and the real race that you'll be

28:20

hearing about. Now it's the South Carolina.

28:22

Race which is a month from now. So

28:24

this time it really is true that what

28:26

happens in Vegas is going to say boat

28:28

specific no one will go to ban on

28:30

when whenever say they beat us out on

28:32

fast like yeah promises of a. Has

28:35

been a google player original on talked

28:37

and.