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It's Primm. Welcome to the next

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chapter presented by Baron Davis and Schlick

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studios. Well, this week, we are shaking

1:27

things up and doing something a little different

1:29

for those who are watching this episode. You might notice

1:31

that I'm not buy my

1:34

bookcase at home. And, yes,

1:36

we are taking the next chapter on

1:38

the road. So I was recently tabbed

1:41

as the host and co organizer

1:43

and advisor to this nationwide multi

1:45

city, multi university tour

1:47

in series, LG transparent

1:50

Conversations. addressing student

1:52

athlete, mental health, and well-being.

1:54

And this content was so good

1:57

and so important. I thought it was really

1:59

important that we

1:59

reair some of these conversations right

2:02

here

2:02

on the next chapter. So

2:05

LG transparent conversations is

2:07

a live to take pie cat series powered

2:09

by LG Electronics USA

2:12

exploring mental health within

2:14

the world of athletics and academia. And

2:16

in this series, I alongside a

2:18

number of important guests explore

2:20

a wide range of topics from.

2:23

the stressors of the modern student

2:25

athlete experience, to the consequences

2:28

of these stressors, to the role of support

2:30

systems, and to finally life

2:33

after the game ends. So we'll be

2:35

making stops all over the place, including Duke

2:37

University, myama modter, and

2:39

Loyola Marymount University in Los

2:41

Angeles, list. So I'm traveling all over the country

2:44

for this mini series, bringing these

2:46

conversations directly to athletes

2:49

administrators and other community

2:51

members to help address this

2:53

important issue. And each panel

2:56

will feature not only a different topic,

2:58

but a different set of panelists who

3:00

all bring just a unique perspective,

3:02

which means you'll be hearing from current

3:04

student athletes, former

3:06

student athlete, some who even played at the

3:08

pro levels, mental health experts,

3:10

clinicians, key administrators, you're

3:13

gonna hear it all.

3:15

and LG is on a mission

3:17

to make their tagline life's good more

3:20

than just a saying. And with this series, we

3:22

hope to spark Transparent

3:25

conversations. Conversations we

3:27

hope will make a difference. In and

3:29

out of the classroom, as well as

3:31

on and off

3:32

the Quarton field.

3:34

So without

3:35

further ado, here's a first episode of

3:37

this LG Transparent conversation

3:39

series at my alma mater, Duke University,

3:42

enjoyeding us on this panel, is

3:44

Nina King, Vice President

3:46

and the Director of Athletics

3:49

for University. Dr.

3:51

Sean Zeppelin, the Assistant Director

3:53

of Athletics and Behavioral Health, for

3:55

Duke and former Duke Men's

3:57

basketball and NBA player

3:59

Henderson,

4:00

Jr.

4:12

Okay. Our mics are live.

4:15

Do not

4:15

say anything inappropriate. We

4:17

got some

4:17

recruits here. I believe we have

4:19

a tennis recruit out

4:21

here, shout out. This is the

4:24

best recruiting trip ever. You get Duke a

4:26

little shout out. The good

4:28

news is I'm not a coach, so that might have been an

4:30

entity a violation. We'll just stop right

4:31

there so we don't get anything in trouble

4:33

here.

4:34

Okay. So everybody

4:36

who is now just joining us, welcome to

4:38

transparent Conversations nationwide

4:41

multi city, multi university tour

4:45

and mini series talking about a

4:47

very important topic student athlete,

4:49

mental health, and well-being. So we just had a

4:51

full conversation about the stressors of

4:53

the modern experience of

4:56

student athletes And now, we are

4:58

gonna do a little q and a. So right now,

5:00

we have Gerald Henderson for those

5:02

that do not know, former men's

5:04

Duke basketball player, also longtime NBA

5:06

player as well and also doctor Sean

5:09

Zeppelin with Duke Athletics.

5:11

Okay. So let us begin.

5:13

The first question that some of the

5:15

some student athletes submitted, what do you

5:17

think we as student athletes can

5:19

do to move this conversation

5:22

forward.

5:23

I'll begin so I can

5:25

give everybody some time to think about this. So

5:27

we're looking at some of these questions live we want to make

5:29

sure this is really interactive and we

5:31

want to give the audience and listeners a chance to

5:33

participate in this conversation. know

5:35

what? I think that The

5:37

first thing is also really

5:40

educating yourself on this topic

5:42

and really being motivated

5:45

to dive into this in different

5:47

ways. I think first and foremost, you

5:49

know, the the first step to this

5:51

is really recognizing that

5:53

we are people first before

5:56

being an athlete. And I think we can when

5:58

you can leave with that as your north star,

6:00

recognize that I am a human being

6:02

first, I am a person, then

6:04

that can really shape the

6:07

rest of your trajectory. And By leading

6:09

with that, then you can say, okay, because

6:11

I'm a person, before I'm an athlete.

6:13

What do I like? What do I like outside

6:15

the sports? Who am I? Who do I want to

6:17

become? What do I want to do after

6:19

sports and all those different things? Doctor

6:21

Z, anything that comes to mind?

6:22

I think really starting to

6:25

have like honest and vulnerable conversations

6:27

with, like, your friends, your teammates,

6:29

and and really starting to to

6:31

dive a little bit deeper, you know, rather than just,

6:33

like, oh, how is practice? Or, you know, how

6:35

to do on that test. Like, we really wanna have

6:38

more of those conversations to start modeling

6:40

that and making it okay, you know, You

6:43

know, I said earlier, I usually just, like, try to start

6:45

with the small things and, you know, Duke, within

6:47

our teams just trying to get them to be, like, you

6:49

know, walk by each other every day and we say,

6:51

like, how are you? Like, let's

6:53

one. Duke, if you're gonna ask that question, mean

6:55

it. And two, like, that you wanna

6:57

know. And two, if if you're not

6:59

okay, like, say what's going on. Don't just

7:01

do the pre programmed on good, keep moving.

7:03

Like, as it starts to help, like, normalize

7:05

the idea. Like, we're just just

7:07

being honest with each other. Yeah.

7:09

And, Gerald, do you think that's something that athletes,

7:12

whether it's at the collegiate or professional level,

7:14

could potentially get

7:16

that idea, get used to that idea of,

7:18

like, hey, right

7:21

now, I'm

7:22

not I'm not feeling like myself, I'm not feeling

7:24

okay. Is that something that we could get used

7:26

to?

7:28

Well, you're not feeling okay. I mean,

7:30

that is something that

7:32

you're gonna have to face

7:34

not every day, but in your life. Right?

7:36

So

7:38

seek to help. Right? You, like I

7:40

said earlier, checking

7:41

with yourself every day if you're not feeling

7:44

great today. I'll

7:46

let doc. Right? You

7:48

know,

7:48

lean

7:49

lean on some people around

7:52

you. you know,

7:54

and lean on positive thinking.

7:56

When we when you said, what

7:59

can push the conversation

7:59

forward, it

8:01

made me think about Just

8:03

the other day, my daughter was just going

8:05

on and on about how unfair

8:08

she thought it was at school that the boys getting

8:10

don't get in trouble for close

8:14

for different issues. That's why I said, well,

8:17

you

8:17

know, why

8:18

don't you do something about it? Why don't

8:20

you go to the school and

8:22

talk to them and say, hey, this is this

8:24

is an issue that we're having. I wanna put together

8:26

a committee. I wanna do something. Right.

8:28

Interesting. So what I would say to the students

8:30

is push it

8:32

forward yourself. Do you think that

8:35

who Nina just left. Do you think that if you went to

8:37

Nina and say, hey, we wanna

8:39

have a conversation like this. We

8:41

wanna start involving more kids

8:43

at school and talking about

8:45

mental health. We

8:46

we

8:47

wanna get a truck. I I don't

8:49

I don't want to We just put a lot of

8:52

ideas and things like that. Hey,

8:54

we wanna we wanna get together and talk

8:56

about this. What can we do? what are our

8:58

options. Right? Push it forward yourself. You

9:00

know? Don't don't wait on anybody

9:02

else to do it. You guys can

9:03

do it just understand

9:05

where you're at. You

9:07

guys are are the leaders of

9:10

the future here. We're at Duke just

9:12

just in case you did not know.

9:15

the basketball players. Hopefully, the guys

9:17

are guys you're gonna go watch in

9:19

the NBA. Some of the other

9:22

students as well go be professional athletes

9:24

and then you got some some students here

9:26

that are doing some things all across the

9:28

world. And so just understand who

9:30

you are and the power that you have and

9:32

what you're capable of doing. I

9:34

love that. That's a great point. Being the leader,

9:36

being the leader in your own life and also

9:38

being the leader for others as well. So that

9:40

question actually might be similar to this one.

9:42

This particular person wrote,

9:44

it feels like sometimes it's hard to talk

9:46

about mental health when you even when you

9:48

see even the pros get flagged.

9:51

example, Naomi Osaka, who's a tennis

9:53

player, and also Kevin Love, obviously

9:55

an NBA player. And when both of

9:57

them came out publicly talking

9:59

about their mental health issues.

10:01

And whoever wrote this, you're right, they did get a

10:03

lot of flack and they and they took some heat.

10:05

And I think it's hard or it's

10:07

easy to see those negative

10:09

comments in that flack, and it

10:11

overwhelm all the support

10:13

that they received. But at least when

10:15

I'm looking at the tennis world, I

10:17

I think Osaka really set the tone

10:20

for it to be okay. Of

10:22

course, that's some of this conversation

10:24

has affected her reputation and all

10:26

this other stuff. But the

10:28

fact of the matter is is that, sure,

10:30

these there's always gonna be critics

10:32

and people that judge your journey. ultimately,

10:35

these people are not living your life. This

10:37

is your life to to

10:39

live. So, doctor Z, is there

10:41

anything that comes to

10:41

mind when you when you hear this? I I think

10:43

it goes back to it was something I said earlier

10:46

about the idea that, like, you know, be

10:48

objective. Like, listen to everything. You know? And

10:50

and as you see, know,

10:52

like like you said from there was there was

10:54

negativity. And I don't wanna

10:56

speak for Naomi or, you know, anyone else

10:58

that's talked about this, but I would wonder, like, was it

11:00

net positive? Like, do you still feel like you've got more

11:02

support by talking about it? Mhmm.

11:04

Then, you know, there's always gonna be, you

11:06

know, especially, I don't wanna

11:08

Duke the deep dive into social media now, but there's always gonna

11:10

be the people that that don't like what you said.

11:12

Absolutely. You could go out and say anything.

11:14

Someone's not gonna like it. you

11:16

know, but I think over

11:18

the past few years, those conversations have

11:20

been that positive. You know, we see

11:22

now, like, a couple years ago, it

11:24

was, you know, like,

11:26

one or two pro athletes talking about this.

11:28

And now I I feel like it's, like, one or two a

11:30

month, like, with the conversation is

11:32

continuing to go forward. Someone had to go

11:34

first. and that's hard. But

11:36

I think we've it's kept pushing it

11:38

forward, and we now have more people that are

11:40

comfortable talking about it, and it and it lessens

11:43

the negativity around it. whenever

11:46

something's new and fresh, people

11:48

are gonna have some opposition to it. You're

11:50

gonna hit a wall somewhere. But

11:52

you gotta

11:53

put that to the side and and then to add

11:55

to that is, you

11:57

know, it's it's it's

11:59

a challenging thing. However,

12:01

you know,

12:02

like Osaka

12:03

goes out there

12:05

and you know,

12:06

she's focusing on herself. Your

12:08

mental health is about you. You

12:10

know?

12:10

no When

12:11

someone opposes it, Now

12:14

they're getting involved in your mental health,

12:16

which is not

12:18

a part of your own mental health.

12:20

So

12:20

focus on yourself, put everyone

12:23

else's opinions to decide. And

12:25

you know what, Naomi, Osaka,

12:27

just for context, she was also at

12:29

one point the richest and

12:31

wealthiest female athlete

12:34

across the board in

12:36

the world. So that

12:38

should tell you enough

12:40

about all the flack that she

12:43

got because she also got

12:45

a tremendous amount of support for that

12:47

too. And also Kevin Love as well, I mean, a

12:49

couple years later, you know, the MVPA

12:52

established a mental health program for the

12:54

players. So Okay.

12:56

Next question. How do you think conversations

12:58

around athletes and mental health

13:00

has evolved over the years? I

13:03

can chime in here. I mean, well, I

13:05

mean, if we if we look Duke

13:08

just by itself, you're

13:09

here and

13:10

you weren't here when I was here

13:12

and you weren't here when Joe was here.

13:14

And now you have a full fledged staff.

13:16

I mean, how many people I

13:19

mean, your department didn't really

13:21

necessarily exist. And also, the one

13:23

person that I know who's been

13:25

a mentor and a such

13:28

a significant figure in the Duke community

13:30

of is, of course, doctor Greg Dale. He

13:32

was a sports psychologist and continues to

13:34

be here. And I wanted to give him a shout shout

13:36

out as well because he's battling a a

13:38

severe severe illness.

13:40

But he was a part of that. But when you

13:42

look at your department, I mean,

13:44

it's grown. I mean, and

13:46

it's not just here. I mean, when

13:48

I was in grad school, you know, and I said this

13:50

was the job I wanted to do, and I like,

13:53

I had you know,

13:55

advisors that were like, it's not really a

13:57

thing. You know, Duke, and my advisor was one of

13:59

the people that was doing it,

13:59

but there are

14:01

maybe thirty people around the country that

14:03

were doing this and not all of them were full

14:05

time. They were, you know, kinda consulting in

14:07

a department and that.

14:09

And now,

14:11

it's pretty common, you know, that that

14:13

you see it and it's not, you know, even

14:15

back then, it was like if some they had somebody,

14:17

they had one person maybe half time. Yeah.

14:19

Now, like, there's a lot of departments. You know,

14:21

we're doing great things here too, and there are people doing

14:23

great things in other schools around the country where they

14:25

they have responded to it. So, I mean,

14:27

I think in the last fifteen

14:29

years or so, this has grown

14:32

because people have been talking about it.

14:34

Yeah.

14:34

Yeah. You know, when I think

14:36

about how this has really grown over the years,

14:38

I mean, I think you have to think about. If I'm coming

14:40

at from my doctoral training perspective, we've

14:42

certainly there's

14:43

more literature. There's more research being done

14:45

on athletes and mental health. there's

14:47

more personnel. And universities

14:49

across the board, whether it's at the Power five

14:51

Conference, D1D2D3 they're

14:53

doing their best to kind of flush

14:55

out their apartments and really provide that support. And and

14:57

we're seeing it on social media as well.

15:00

You know, a lot of people are talking about

15:02

this. Okay.

15:02

So

15:05

this is this is a a little off

15:07

topic, but we're, you know, we are

15:10

we are want to invite all things. So

15:12

to all, your favorite players growing up

15:14

watching would love to

15:15

know your childhood influences.

15:20

That's the easy one for me. Go. Kobe

15:22

Bryant. Yeah.

15:23

I mean,

15:25

the he

15:27

grew up you know, I guess

15:29

in in high school, right, in

15:31

Pennsylvania, right up the street from where I

15:33

went to high school, I watched

15:35

him as a young kid and

15:37

you know, in a basketball sense,

15:40

idolized him, and I wanna do everything

15:42

like him, and, you know, rest in peace to

15:44

him. But you know,

15:46

he's obviously left his mark. And

15:48

then also my dad my dad played in the

15:50

NBA for thirteen years and

15:52

won three NBA championship. So I

15:54

wanted to do all Duke the same

15:56

things.

16:04

really

16:04

hope you enjoy today's conversation also

16:07

learn something from our discussion. So

16:09

stay tuned next week for not only another

16:12

episode of the next chapter, but

16:14

another discussion on student

16:16

athlete mental health and well-being as

16:18

our LG Conversations, nationwide

16:21

series continues and makes another

16:23

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16:25

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16:27

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