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2:43

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2:45

So we're gonna be talking about the stressors

2:48

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2:51

the consequences of those

2:53

stressors, the role of support

2:55

systems. And finally, life

2:57

after the game ends. And we'll be making

2:59

stops at just different cities and

3:01

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3:04

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3:06

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3:30

hope really make a difference, not

3:32

only in and out of the classroom, but

3:35

on

3:35

and off the court and

3:36

field as well. So

3:38

last week, we were at my alma mater,

3:40

Duke University talking about the stressors

3:43

of the modern student athlete experience.

3:45

And afterwards, we did a

3:47

Q and A, so students and athletes in

3:49

the audience could have the opportunity to

3:51

just get involved in this conversation and

3:54

ask some really important questions.

3:57

So

3:57

here I am on

3:58

campus just outside

4:01

of Cameron Indoor Stadium at

4:03

Duke University alongside Nina King, the

4:05

Vice President and Director of athletics

4:07

for Duke University Dr. Sean

4:10

Zeppelin, the assistant director of athletics

4:12

and behavioral health for Duke and

4:14

former Duke and NBA player,

4:16

Gerald Henderson Junior.

4:25

So we we're gonna

4:28

field some questions,

4:29

and we do have some questions from

4:31

some students and some members in the audience.

4:33

Are you

4:33

guys ready? Alright. So

4:36

the

4:36

first one is we talked about injury and

4:39

taking time off from the sport

4:41

to come back. And also

4:43

if you needed to take a break from

4:45

sport for your mental health. Oh, sorry.

4:47

If you needed to take a break from sport

4:50

for your mental health, do you feel you

4:52

could do so in the same way?

4:53

So

4:54

basically, do you feel as though taking a mental

4:57

health break? Is is

4:59

something that's feasible, doable,

5:02

acceptable because we've been

5:04

starting to see this with athletes

5:06

at the collegiate level, professional

5:08

level as well. And should it be treated

5:10

the same way as the physical component? Yeah,

5:13

I mean, I think you see a

5:15

lot of athletes these days actually

5:18

taking like a total

5:20

break from sports and not playing anymore.

5:22

They retire from sports to focus

5:24

on their mental health. I think seeing

5:26

that has really like,

5:28

raise the likelihood for more people to continue

5:30

to do that. It's Duke, they see these

5:32

people doing it, so they're more comfortable and they

5:34

feel more confident to do the same thing.

5:36

and we've actually had, like, teammates in the past,

5:38

and I've had friends on other teams who

5:40

have done the same thing and taken a semester

5:43

off. And everyone's actually

5:45

Duke, really really supportive. And it's Duke,

5:47

I'm so proud of you for doing that because you

5:49

just opened up the door for other people

5:52

to feel like they can do that too. Like, and

5:54

everyone is so supportive. And I just think

5:56

seeing that support has made people

5:58

feel a lot more comfortable to do that

5:59

in more recent times. Mhmm. Now I

6:02

think cat could probably speak on

6:05

when she was on the team because we were

6:07

we actually didn't

6:07

overlap. There was no, like, overlap between our

6:09

times, but she could talk about the five

6:12

years before when I was there, but

6:14

I just feel like there's been such

6:15

a growth even from my freshman year with

6:17

that concept. Mhmm.

6:20

Yeah. I

6:23

think there's this notion within

6:25

athletics and within injury

6:27

is with physical injuries. You can that

6:29

you can see, it

6:31

they're it's Duke, Yeah. They're definitely

6:33

injured. I mean, we had I had

6:35

some teammates who had stretch

6:37

fractures or, like, things that

6:39

weren't able to be seen, but you could tell

6:41

that they were in pain. It was

6:43

also, like, okay, yes. They need a break.

6:46

But on the mental side, unless it

6:48

was a concussion test where you

6:50

could literally see where

6:52

they were, like, failing to do things and their

6:54

brain wasn't functioning, it was less

6:56

so

6:57

apparent if they were struggling or,

6:59

like, I

7:00

don't I don't know if believable is

7:02

the right term and

7:03

but Duke mental mental health

7:06

is it's invisible to

7:09

people outside of who's struggling with

7:11

it. And And

7:13

I think that there needs to be a

7:15

change and a shift where there

7:18

is a capability to take

7:20

a mental

7:21

break. Like, yeah, life is hard.

7:23

Sports

7:23

are hard. Things can get really hard at times.

7:26

And I think that

7:29

in my opinion, where it starts is

7:31

at, like, setting that tone in the culture

7:34

and setting that with with your teammates and what

7:36

Anna said, like, you know, someone saying,

7:38

like, you've opened the door. Right? Like,

7:40

people not realizing that it's okay to

7:42

say that you're not okay and to take a

7:44

step back. because then when you come back,

7:46

you're gonna be better for it. Right?

7:48

Duke, we take the time to heal our physical injuries.

7:50

We take the time to do rehab

7:52

and all of that, but we don't do that for our

7:54

mental health. And I think that we're

7:56

getting to a place. Hopefully,

7:59

where

7:59

that is an

8:01

option. But I know

8:03

when I was when I was in school, that

8:05

wasn't really I had one teammate who who stepped

8:07

away from the team because she

8:10

wasn't sure if she was in love with a sport anymore.

8:12

If it was something she wanna do or didn't wanna do and

8:14

she ultimately decided life without Crosse

8:16

was better, but that wasn't as

8:18

much of a mental -- Mhmm. -- mental,

8:20

like, health break. It was Duke mental

8:22

step away. Yeah. And I think this is hard

8:24

for a lot of coaches to digest because

8:28

because

8:29

it means maybe

8:30

not putting sport first. And

8:32

for those who want their

8:35

athletes to remain hungry, maybe

8:37

those are I'm just talking about the coaches

8:39

that really don't care as much about

8:41

the human behind the athlete. I

8:44

think that means putting

8:46

their their livelihoods as a

8:48

coach and their program in

8:50

jeopardy. Yeah. And then there's

8:52

the other side of it talking about the invisible

8:54

tattoos as my mentor likes to call it the

8:56

invisible injuries. It's hard for people to

8:58

really understand. It's like, what do you

9:00

what do you mean you're, like, hurting, but you

9:02

don't have we don't have any x rays, we don't have

9:04

any tests to really show

9:06

this. So I think, you know, my take on

9:08

this, and Ethan, I'll be interested to hear your

9:10

take as well. I think my take on this

9:12

is is twofold. I do

9:14

think and honestly, my answer will

9:16

probably change is constantly changing because

9:18

I'm trying to figure out where I stand on this

9:20

as well. I definitely

9:22

think that we need to get to

9:24

a place where we it's

9:26

okay and acceptable

9:29

for us a step away to address

9:31

our mental health issues. And

9:33

I

9:35

think it is not okay for others who take

9:37

advantage of that, some times

9:40

when the because it doesn't make

9:42

it okay for people who are really suffering

9:44

from a serious mental health issue

9:46

because I I think we do. That's kinda like, you

9:48

know, like sick days for school or whatever

9:51

you're like, you know, I feel like watching cartoons

9:53

or something. you just kind of and then

9:55

for the people that really need it, then it

9:57

becomes an issue. So I

9:59

think there's that other

9:59

side of it where

10:01

somehow, I don't know what the answer is, but

10:04

somehow there needs to be a sense of accountability

10:06

or maybe a way to measure where,

10:08

you know, so we so we make sure

10:10

the we make sure that the people that really

10:12

need help can step away and

10:14

take that break. I

10:17

also I also wanna chow,

10:19

like, in between that, And

10:21

I don't know the answer to this, but I'm like,

10:23

is there a world we live in where

10:25

mental health breaks aren't needed? Because

10:27

there are boundaries and

10:29

parameters in place to support

10:31

people every single day.

10:33

Because I do feel like

10:35

mental health breaks come when you're at

10:37

that breaking point. Duke, is there a way to

10:39

support student athletes

10:41

where it's not Duke a full, you

10:43

know, two weeks, three weeks, but it's it's

10:45

rather a day or it's rather one

10:47

practice versus -- Mhmm. -- that like,

10:49

how do we get

10:51

those those institutional

10:53

like like,

10:54

pillars of support

10:56

where, you

10:57

know, it's not it's not it's at the breaking

11:00

point, but rather it's okay. like,

11:02

it's every single day you feel supported and

11:04

Yeah. I

11:05

don't know. No. I I

11:07

totally agree with that, and that's exactly what I was

11:09

thinking.

11:09

we actually, on our team, like,

11:12

have a mandatory,

11:14

like, amount of days that we could take

11:16

off from mental health. if need be.

11:18

Like, if we, like, text

11:18

our coaching, we're like, you know,

11:20

we're really, really struggling. And we

11:22

need to take a break for, like,

11:25

a day of mental health, they

11:26

don't ask questions. They just say, yes, like, what are

11:28

you going through? Can I help you? And again, I

11:30

can only speak on my experiences. I I

11:33

and there needs to be so much more work done

11:35

in this category. but I really feel

11:37

like our coaches have done a very good job

11:40

showing support for us and our needs for

11:42

mental health. But

11:43

I think like I

11:44

said before, the platform has been opened

11:47

up by other people. But every time someone does

11:49

it, it's like, oh my gosh. Like, there's so

11:51

strong. Look how awesome there. But it's

11:53

Duke, this surprising thing that people are, like,

11:55

oh my gosh. Like, that to me

11:57

is also, like, signifies that there's a problem.

11:59

That's

11:59

so rare that people are, like, surprised

12:02

and, like, so, you know, happy for

12:04

these people to do that. I think it's great that people

12:06

are happy and supportive, but it's also

12:08

a bad sign that maybe people are surprised.

12:10

But I think, like, we just need to have more of

12:12

a culture of, like, believing and just

12:14

hoping that people are good enough people

12:16

to not abuse it. But then, again,

12:18

humans are human. and people sometimes

12:21

abuse great

12:23

benefits that we have. And I think that can be a

12:25

really, really big problem. But then

12:27

once

12:27

you put a measurable aspect

12:29

to it, then it it steers people away

12:32

maybe from wanting to come forward. Yeah. because

12:34

then their thing is being measured against

12:36

someone else's and is it bad enough?

12:38

Like, yes or no? Duke, that's when I

12:40

think people kind of get into that

12:42

category of measuring which

12:44

could

12:44

be tough. But, yeah, that was just my my thoughts.

12:47

No. I mean, I I think both of you guys may you

12:49

you make really excellent points. Anything

12:51

some companies I'm just talking I I

12:53

was thinking when I asked that question or posed

12:55

my opinion, I was thinking about work

12:57

culture right now because we're experiencing a

12:59

lot of those things and executives

13:01

are, you know, people are sometimes

13:03

abusing that where it's Duke, well, you

13:05

know, I don't wanna come in to work at the

13:07

time that you designated. And

13:09

so there becomes a really

13:11

big issue of trying to balance.

13:14

Okay? These, you

13:14

know, you need

13:16

to come in at said time. And

13:18

then we also need to create space. And some companies

13:21

are actually some progressive companies are

13:23

actually building having everybody have, you

13:25

have, like, ten mental health days,

13:27

and know, my friend who works for

13:29

Salesforce has a Friday who's Duke, it's

13:31

my wellness Friday. And, you know,

13:33

and he's like and he has I think he

13:35

has, like, three to six months of

13:37

paternity leave or something like

13:39

that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So there are some

13:41

companies. I was just yeah. There was

13:43

In of sports is doing, that's an entirely

13:45

different conversation. Right? Ethan,

13:47

do you have any thoughts on this? I

13:50

really resonate with the idea that this shouldn't

13:52

be necessarily like something

13:54

that that we have to rely

13:56

on a safety net

13:58

for. We shouldn't wait until

14:00

people are at their breaking

14:02

point. And we

14:04

talk in in suicide prevention

14:06

sometimes that the end goal isn't that everyone

14:08

in crisis has somewhere to

14:10

turn. It's that no one ends up in

14:12

crisis. So

14:15

I I really resonate with that idea that we

14:17

should be building this in from the

14:19

ground up. This should be foundational

14:21

to how we

14:23

structure the lives of

14:25

of student athletes and the expectations that are

14:27

set on on student athletes. I

14:30

also I I think

14:32

there is something I wanna challenge about that idea

14:35

of of taking advantage of

14:37

these systems or or these

14:39

flexibilities. in that I think we

14:41

really need to evaluate where is the inflexibility

14:44

coming from in the first place?

14:46

Duke, is that just inflexible because

14:48

that's the way it's always been done or is

14:50

it inflexible because there's actually

14:52

something we wanna protect and

14:54

care about. And then and there's something to be said

14:56

in in my mind about just how

14:59

intense athletics are.

15:01

Right? Like, it takes time and

15:03

practice and dedication to

15:05

to something that is hard.

15:08

And it's not

15:10

an easy thing to spend

15:12

so much of your time doing in college. So

15:15

some inflexibility is is gonna have to

15:17

be the right, the practice has to happen.

15:20

But the ways I think there

15:22

there needs to be inside of

15:24

athletics and inside of the classroom and and

15:26

everything about about the

15:28

college experience. A re evaluation

15:31

of why things have to be

15:33

the way they are. Why

15:35

are people needing these additional

15:37

days off for flexibility. What are the

15:39

things that are driving them to

15:41

that point? Mhmm.

15:42

Yeah. I mean, I think

15:44

you all make excellent points about

15:47

you

15:47

know, just approaching this from a different

15:49

perspective. You know,

15:51

because this conversation extends beyond

15:53

sport and also into organizational culture

15:56

as well. Okay. Last

15:58

question because we have held all

15:59

of you hostage for so long. And the fact

16:02

that my phone is about to signifies

16:04

that we've been here for for a long time. And

16:06

now the heaters coming on, we're probably all

16:08

sweating a little bit. Y'all right over there.

16:10

Okay. Okay.

16:12

Alright. Last one. I'm going

16:14

to choose this one. How

16:16

do parents bit into

16:19

the mental health conversation in terms

16:21

of just mental health support system?

16:23

and just the general discussion?

16:27

Yeah, wow, that's a really, really good

16:29

question. I feel like parents

16:32

being educated on mental health

16:34

is the most important thing.

16:36

I feel like having

16:38

education on how to help your

16:40

child in support your child do these things, you

16:42

don't have to heal

16:43

your child. But

16:44

Duke knowing where to turn and

16:47

knowing what you can do to best support your

16:49

children is so important. and

16:51

I

16:52

can, like, use my parents as an example.

16:55

They have done such a great job with

16:57

me, my siblings, when we're struggling,

16:59

they immediately are like, let's

17:01

go see, like, a therapist. What but what do

17:03

you want first? You know what I mean? It's like they have this,

17:05

like, okay. Let's see a therapist, but they're like, wait.

17:07

what can we do to help you? And I

17:09

think asking that question is so important.

17:12

Like, what can we do to help you? And if we

17:14

don't know, then they resort to kind

17:16

of ideas that they might have

17:18

that can help us. And a lot

17:20

of parents, I feel like there's this

17:22

sigma around Duke,

17:23

seeing a therapist. Like, it'll be, like, oh, like, great. Great. Great.

17:25

Nice. Like, it's, like, you know, there's,

17:27

like, whisper, like, you know, behind the curtains

17:29

type of thing, but I feel

17:31

like we've seen such a change in that at least in my family.

17:33

But again, that education is just so

17:36

important and really asking your child,

17:38

like, what do they need? How can help them?

17:39

I think that's just Duke so important.

17:41

Agreed. I'm on

17:42

the same page. Cat? Yeah. I

17:44

mean, parents are so

17:46

parents set kind of the foundation for a

17:49

child's life. Like, it's really

17:51

crazy, the impact two

17:53

people can have on one lives,

17:55

and it carries through that child's entire life.

17:57

Right? So when you think about that,

17:59

it's supporting, but it's also having

18:01

these conversations early. It's

18:05

having it's asking, you know,

18:07

how are you feeling or,

18:09

like, diving into if someone says, you know,

18:11

I think I'm sad today. Well, what made you

18:13

sad? Like, I think it's normalizing these

18:16

conversations from such a young

18:18

age and building an

18:20

environment where your child feels

18:23

safe throughout their childhood to

18:25

come to you. Because if that trust is

18:27

there, if that support is there,

18:29

chances are And

18:31

this is just my opinion, like, they're

18:33

gonna be able to come to you before they

18:35

hit that crisis. They're gonna be able to say, hey, I'm

18:37

feeling this way today. Is that normal? What does

18:39

this feel like? can you identify with this? you relate

18:42

in normalizing, like,

18:44

I I had I had a good relationship with my

18:46

parents growing up to a certain extent,

18:48

but I definitely saw

18:50

them as, like,

18:52

adults. Like, I didn't necessarily relate to

18:54

things and I think if they had been more open

18:57

with their struggles, whether it was mental,

18:59

like, we had some financial issues that they

19:01

didn't wanna talk about openly, but, like,

19:03

having these conversations earlier

19:06

can really help. And

19:08

then in that in that too, it

19:10

it builds out. Right? Like, if I'm having

19:12

these conversations at home, imagine the conversations

19:14

I could have my friends. If I'm like -- Yeah. -- hey, I

19:16

talked about this with my parents. Like, this is what we

19:18

talked about. Like, how are you feeling today?

19:21

And I think that really sets the

19:23

stage of support is building that

19:25

trust of, like, you can come to me with anything. Like,

19:27

I'm in your corner. I'm your cheerleader. And I'm also

19:29

here to help you. Like, I'm trying

19:31

to educate myself on this too.

19:33

And, like, that's, I think,

19:35

evening Ethan playing ground where, like, yes, you

19:37

are. And I'm not a But,

19:39

like, from from, like, you know, my relationship

19:41

with my parents, like, you are a daughter. I am a daughter

19:43

that so makes me I am a daughter, so I do have so

19:45

transparent. So I think, like, my parents saying, like,

19:47

you know, they are they're the head of the

19:49

house, but they're also they can come down and meet

19:51

me at where I'm at and bring me up

19:53

to have adult how

19:55

people, I think, you know, bunny ears,

19:57

adult Conversations, real Conversations.

19:59

Ethan,

19:59

like, you

20:00

don't need to hide your kids from because

20:03

you think they're too young. Duke, if

20:05

your kid is coming to you as something that they're

20:07

seeing, chances

20:08

are they're not too young

20:09

to talk about it. Like, you know, some things

20:12

in high school I think that are happening.

20:14

Like, I would rather my mom have a

20:16

conversation with me about things than a

20:18

random stranger or, like, an Internet threat.

20:20

Or you know what I mean? And I think that's

20:22

where some of that

20:22

comes into play once you build that that

20:25

trust. Sure. And if I could add one thing

20:27

and actually, Duke Ethan, if I could

20:29

talk to you about this too, especially with men's

20:31

mental health and

20:32

with young men I feel like

20:34

the most damaging phrase used

20:36

to young men is be a man don't

20:38

cry. Be a man don't cry. And I

20:40

will tell you, like,

20:42

my

20:42

brothers, I have three of them, they all

20:45

cry. They all show emotion. They have

20:47

all had a platform because of my parents

20:49

to Duke show emotion and, like,

20:51

it's okay to, like, be frustrated. It's okay to

20:53

cry. It's okay to be sad and cry.

20:55

Like, it's okay to be happy and

20:57

cry. Like, all these emotions that are

20:59

very raw. I feel like are so important for

21:01

laying that foundation to everything, you

21:03

know, cat speaking about, but especially with men's

21:05

mental health, you know, especially

21:07

in sports. have, like, be a man,

21:09

don't cry. You know, don't talk about mental

21:11

health because, like, you need to be a man,

21:13

like, just toughen up. And I Ethan,

21:15

I'm just curious about maybe

21:17

any of your experiences within athletics

21:20

or just as growing

21:22

up what – how you kind of feel

21:24

about Ethan? Yeah. I

21:25

mean, I was lucky enough to have

21:28

incredible parents who

21:30

who had those Conversations, right, and

21:33

and allowed me to be open about emotions.

21:35

But absolutely, I think sports

21:37

plays a major role in perpetuating

21:40

the downplaying of

21:42

of men's emotions or the

21:44

kind of shoving it underground

21:46

a little bit. I mean, there

21:48

are absolutely tough moments that and and

21:51

when you're in a when you're in a space, you

21:53

get so close to teammates, especially

21:55

in, you know, middle

21:58

school, high school, age, sports

22:01

like that. Those were my friend groups.

22:03

Right? And and I

22:06

think it was damaging to

22:08

to see a lot of my friends who

22:10

were not able to have those conversations

22:12

about tough emotions and or or

22:14

didn't feel equipped to

22:17

talk about what they were feeling and and what

22:19

they were going through. And I

22:21

think a lot of times it comes down to

22:23

the coach and or other leaders and

22:26

mentors in that those

22:28

people's lives. So you talked about

22:30

the importance of parents educating

22:33

themselves and and being

22:35

open with their children,

22:37

I think it's just as important for coaches

22:40

and any other mentors in young people's

22:42

lives. To become educated

22:44

about mental health, to

22:46

really strive

22:48

to make those conversations happen,

22:50

be open about their own struggles

22:53

and their own emotions

22:55

and then invite that conversation

22:58

from

22:58

from the students, the

23:00

young people. Try to

23:02

get more

23:03

comfortable with having those conversations in a

23:05

lot of different spaces. You know, I

23:07

think a lot of times the

23:09

pressure on parents is you

23:11

are the adults in that child's

23:14

life. You know, you're the person they

23:16

should go to. But I

23:18

think, ultimately,

23:20

we want students. We want young

23:23

people, whether they're in elementary

23:25

school or they're in college or grad

23:27

school. We want people

23:29

to have trusted mentors,

23:32

coaches, parents, leaders

23:34

in their life who they

23:36

feel supported by and

23:38

open with able to have those tough conversations. So

23:40

if that's a parent, great.

23:42

If that's a coach amazing.

23:45

But people who work with

23:47

young people should

23:49

really take it on themselves to make

23:51

do the do the hard work of becoming

23:53

more educated about mental health and opening

23:55

that Conversations? Because the

23:56

impact comes from parents,

23:59

it comes from coaches,

24:00

it comes from caregivers, not everybody

24:02

is in the typical traditional

24:04

nuclear system of a mother and a father.

24:07

Right? Because all familial dynamics

24:09

change. And so, you know, for me, I

24:11

think I agree with every single one of

24:13

you. I think it begins with having that

24:15

discussion, having that recognition,

24:17

extending that responsibility out to everybody

24:19

else. And for me, You

24:21

know, I mean, you know, we're going through it.

24:22

I have a son, four year old

24:24

son, Duke, out. And he's going

24:26

to UNC Ethan name do.

24:29

And a

24:31

fifteen month old son, Tyson, but

24:33

I think it really begins with it's

24:35

Duke, listen. If you as a

24:38

parent, You have to be talking about emotions

24:40

and feelings and having that conversation.

24:42

If you haven't done that yet, if you don't know

24:44

what emotions and feelings are, You

24:46

don't know how emotions and feelings are a signal to you

24:49

about your internal processes. That

24:51

is the sign that you need

24:54

to be educated, what goes back to

24:56

your point, Anna, educating yourself

24:58

about all of these psychological processes.

25:00

Because by doing that, you are then going to

25:02

pay it for it and really have an

25:03

impact.

25:04

And you guys all

25:07

of you have have paid it

25:09

forward. You've sat here through a very,

25:11

very long time. Anna's

25:12

gonna need more cough drops. Don't

25:14

worry. I got too much.

25:16

I

25:16

know. She's got it downloaded. Yeah.

25:19

Target style. Those are the best

25:21

cough drops ever. But I can't you know, we

25:23

can't thank you enough for coming here on

25:26

the LG transparent conversations,

25:28

van and series, open

25:31

yourselves up and be so vulnerable and and

25:33

just to engage in, you know, what many

25:35

believe is a difficult conversation. But I,

25:37

you know, I hope all of

25:39

you had a good time.

25:41

How did it feel to engage in this

25:43

conversation for a very long time? It was it

25:45

was awesome. I mean, I think kudos

25:47

to you and the crew for having it

25:49

be such a welcoming environment

25:52

where I feel really safe being

25:54

vulnerable and being myself. So I'm so grateful

25:56

that that you had me on.

25:58

Yes. Yeah. And, Prem, you and

26:00

everyone at LG and everyone

26:03

out there in the crowd in the cold.

26:05

Yes. I am so

26:07

appreciative for, you know, everything you guys

26:09

have done. You have made this such a

26:11

special process, such a on

26:13

process on top of that. And such honestly,

26:16

like, I feel very educated after this

26:18

too, hearing about so many awesome

26:20

perspectives that everyone in this fan

26:22

has. And just

26:23

so appreciative to be part of something so amazing,

26:25

and

26:25

thank you so much for having me. No.

26:27

Thank you, Ethan. I I love

26:29

having these conversations, but I

26:31

Even more so, I love meeting the people

26:34

who who enjoy having them too. So it's been

26:36

an absolute pleasure to learn from

26:38

and talk with all of you and and, of

26:40

course, a big thanks to to LG

26:42

and Ethan the team that worked so hard to put this

26:44

together behind the scenes. You are

26:45

always welcome back. And I don't

26:48

say that to a lot of Tar heels,

26:49

although I just don't talk to our best friends. But it's

26:51

a cool thing.

26:52

Right? Where we can kinda strip away the rivalry

26:54

between the Blue Devils the

26:57

Tire Hills, but this is Actually, my first time on

26:59

Duke's campus. You'll have to walk

27:01

around. I know. Love will make the tour of

27:03

it. Yeah. Okay. seriously.

27:06

And it's beautiful right now

27:07

with the fall You won't regret it even as

27:09

a Heel. You won't. I I

27:10

really had this fall of my pride to

27:12

make it down that fifteen

27:14

five o'clock. Yeah. Yeah. You can't smell it too hard.

27:16

You can't even hear it very bad. So

27:19

you can't you came representing.

27:22

Well, Anna,

27:23

Kat,

27:24

Ethan. Thank you from the bottom of our

27:26

hearts for coming on and and talking so

27:29

much about this. And, you know, that it's

27:31

always my goal provide a safe trusting

27:33

environment to raise our

27:35

voices and our message. And, you

27:37

know, as we move forward, I

27:39

want all of you to reach out to me if you ever need help with

27:41

something, mental health, vocational,

27:44

career, anything. Right? Because this is all

27:46

about creating community and and really helping

27:48

each other. So thank you so much for

27:50

for coming on.