This week is an interview Ben Cook and Muralee Balaguru, founders of Zirconia, an innovating material sciences company with a breakthrough for concrete, the world's the common building material.

In this podcast, Ben, Muralee and I talk briefly about simplifying a complicated message, but mostly we talk about why everything takes long than expected, even when you expect it to take longer.

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Music by Kevin MacLeod - incompetech.com