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It's episode 9 of the Obi-Wan Podcast

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made possible by Bet. When are Chris

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McCarty coming to you remotely for those

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of you watching on YouTube this week?

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No, I'm not being held hostage. I promise

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you I am here with my own volition.

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I'm with the main man, the boss man himself,

1:52

John O'Wee McElhot. John, always lovely to see you

1:55

my friend. Lovely to see you too Chris.

1:57

Where the fuck are you? Normally

2:00

normally normally you're like right here with

2:02

me. So where are you today? I'm

2:05

on holiday. I'm in Cobham. I promise

2:07

you I'm in Cobham. This is every

2:09

cup third round weekend. I'm actually going

2:11

to be at the bridge a little

2:14

later. So that tells you when we're

2:16

recording this. And I

2:18

must say the weather's shit. It

2:21

is absolutely shit obviously. You're in the UK

2:24

so I mean that's that you know that's

2:26

what you get. You live in

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Dubai. You fly all the way to the UK

2:30

but you get you know that's what you get. You get a

2:32

shit weather. I come to the UK and you've

2:35

landed a blog through sitting to your left

2:37

John that you have told me his nickname

2:39

and this fella doesn't need an introduction. I

2:46

want to put an asterisk on that. I'd like to

2:48

say it was all about my football skills. But I

2:50

think it was also a little bit to do with

2:52

my receding hairline on the back. So

2:55

you know it ain't all to do

2:57

with the skills. It's definitely the bald

2:59

patch as well. I think

3:01

it's mostly definitely to do with the

3:04

skills. I mean you are obviously an

3:06

amazing footballer. A guy who

3:08

on the pitch does some magic. You

3:10

know does things that you know we

3:13

you know for our standard. I think definitely before

3:15

a such thing guy called Eddie Nazard came to

3:17

the club. You know we've never seen anything like

3:19

that. You know this guy was really good on

3:21

the technique. He's very good on the ball and

3:23

likes to you know do his thing on

3:25

the pitch. Got in so

3:28

much trouble with with the special one

3:30

Jose Mourinho sometimes pulls him off because he's

3:32

doing so much skills. But yeah at another

3:34

day you know amazing. What an amazing career

3:36

you had for Chelsea. You're being far too

3:38

nice to him there John because Joel played

3:40

in the number 10 position and we all

3:42

know that's the position that you wanted to

3:44

play in again. How

3:47

can I how can I do

3:49

that? Obviously coming to the club

3:51

I knew obviously that's a certain

3:53

guy called Joe Cole and I

3:55

knew it's gonna take me years

3:58

and years. Amazing

4:00

whatever have to do to make sure I get

4:02

him off that position, but I knew that position

4:04

was sales So obviously

4:06

I had a conversation with the manager with Joe's

4:08

days like listen There's

4:11

no this there's no space for you in that

4:13

position because a certain guy called, you know, Joe

4:15

calls the zoo He's there. So I mean we're

4:17

gonna have to find this space for you and

4:20

I decided to you know come

4:23

down the rankings and and went down

4:25

to the defensive midfield which

4:27

is where I Play

4:29

for Chelsea all my all my career. This

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responsibly We've spoken to

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so many of your former colleagues and no one's gonna

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bad word to say about John we arrived at a

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table Club you were already there. You moved in 2003

4:57

I believe you you were

5:00

Roman Abramovich's Stick

5:02

signing. Yeah, the Abramovich era

5:05

and then a few years later John

5:07

Obi-mikael be very honest here Joe. What

5:09

was your first impressions? My first impressions

5:11

was I'm gonna be honest He

5:13

was he was overweight when he signed up that we

5:15

knew there was a big Any

5:18

remembers this guy because there was

5:21

because there was a there was a big For

5:25

all because of the Manchester United connection so

5:27

in the press it was like he signed

5:29

for Manchester Alex Ferguson was furious Chelsea

5:32

were fighting for my my this kid must be

5:34

a hell of a player You

5:37

know, he must be unbelievable. Yeah, everyone wanted

5:39

him and And he's

5:41

come into the club and he actually by choosing

5:44

to play in the in the

5:46

defensive midfield position Oh, yeah, he had the

5:48

heart He had a harder job than anyone

5:50

because he had to dislodge Maca-lally and Chelsea

5:52

were very smart because they probably got John

5:55

in thinking Maca-lally is gonna have to go

5:57

in a few years and John's gonna come

5:59

in But then you went on

6:01

to see the career that you had John

6:03

and he was a top top player and

6:05

one of them players I think like I

6:07

played with Michael Carrick at West Ham as

6:09

well, you know Players you

6:11

don't appreciate them while you're there because

6:14

they're just doing their job You

6:16

know all the little things on the pitch that

6:18

that that need doing they're just

6:20

there and as they're mopping up You

6:23

know and he'd done all that like Michael Ellie

6:25

and like Michael Carrick it ain't until

6:29

It ain't until they're gone that you realize how good

6:31

they are and I was absolutely I'm not just saying

6:33

because he's here Yeah, I don't think Chelsea a pot

6:36

until ungolo come in and even go low

6:38

was probably a Different type

6:40

of player. He was box kind of play. Yeah,

6:42

but I don't think they've replaced him. So we

6:44

went Michael a Lee John

6:46

I'd be Michael And

6:49

I think I still don't think I'm

6:51

hoping cuz side though can be that guy. Yeah,

6:53

I'm hoping so Yeah, but we

6:56

need someone in that anchor, you know, but

6:58

listen, what a career we had and What

7:02

you know what a flower is my John knows

7:04

this I'm a big man, you know you'd find

7:06

I've still not forgiven John for turning down you

7:08

know Remember

7:11

a little bit here my first

7:13

game at Old Trafford was January

7:16

10th 1999 man, you

7:18

know for West Ham one you

7:20

came off the bench final primarily

7:22

debut second off Premier

7:24

League David 99 That's

7:27

mad. I long ago. That is now in it. Wow.

7:29

It's like I mean I was just gone 17 and

7:31

it was a You've done.

7:33

I think that was the United team that won the treble that

7:35

year, right? so We

7:38

was to kneel down at halftime Frank was

7:40

playing for West Ham and Harry just you

7:42

know, we should have been five little damn

7:44

and Harry just threw me on and They

7:48

were so good and it was you know what it was

7:50

actually you know, you're gonna picture you think right? I

7:53

want to be Competing with these guys. Yeah,

7:55

they're a good gig speckin keen. So they're a

7:57

good one. They're back in the days. Oh, there

7:59

we go. I'll good any good and

8:01

that was so that I stand. Literally

8:03

get your Friday com gets thrown in

8:05

more A D Pend first firmly game

8:08

away out referred to new Dance against

8:10

Keen Skulls and Back yeah you know

8:12

we talk about as well. Now nowadays

8:14

we talk about the midfield trio, kind

8:16

allies and everybody seems to forget about

8:18

the school the as you know and

8:20

Mickey bought the A and Nicky Bowser

8:23

the playoffs. These deaths were really good.

8:25

Of the milk ducts view in the

8:27

midfielder say we really good I mean

8:29

everyone forgets. By how good they were

8:31

offering that's something with it's we. You know

8:33

we forget that we forgot very quickly but

8:35

they were really really good idea. I would

8:38

describe as how football was butlin and ninety

8:40

nine when assess side everyone's will play the

8:42

fool for to so I wasn't. A

8:45

less and less though right wing. I ended

8:47

up in the for wing a truck ten

8:49

lot. There was no real tens of them

8:51

dies the the eight I said I meant

8:54

for West Ham and up a lot more

8:56

lot. it will be suppose insane but then

8:58

it was like what one against one in

9:01

the midfield don't know. Holding midfielder tactically was

9:03

very backwards. saw be up against were a

9:05

cane and the ever as it is world

9:07

and they live. They latch on the sciences.

9:10

Really strong guys but easy was just due

9:12

to put different and on got a civilized

9:14

now. Insisted. It in

9:16

his tattoo that he see lot size. lot. Billie.

9:19

Gilmore planning me all sourcing from the last

9:21

autumn. Exactly yeah I'm I'm he was yeah

9:23

we allow me to question me was as

9:26

he is he big enough to play median

9:28

of the air nowadays it cause he caught

9:30

the Tuscany contact. Well as much as it

9:32

is more of a. Eat on

9:34

on technical tactical base yeah and said I

9:36

say meet their fries in know. Their.

9:39

Yeah, that's true, that's true. He oversees zones

9:41

over Smith join you on board for these

9:44

you are saw transformed you said I'm not

9:46

sure When you saw a week some of

9:48

the Chelsea he still more forgiving you for

9:50

that. A thirty and

9:52

we've succeeded. My review to was amused and

9:55

I did the airport in the offing box

9:57

A Is it Me This So this is

9:59

was said. He's probably it. I probably

10:01

to the best we see him

10:03

because he sound me as a

10:05

kid as. So. When sustained Adam

10:07

and I invited me to much should

10:09

I had an obviously it he got

10:11

lots You know they did I read

10:14

they they. Took. Me out for

10:16

dinner with my mom and Dad Diaz

10:18

yeah give me to show some May

10:20

I met tons and all gigs and

10:22

and order to players and they really

10:24

want and die mates and then they

10:26

are The actually offered me. In

10:28

the ninety school work as I thought

10:30

final against Chelsea said would are lots

10:32

of com with the team. Before

10:35

the game. Was

10:37

on a picture to a new a lot As a

10:40

java in year old boy that's a dream. I. pod.

10:43

Already decided to sign for West. I'm. Sorry

10:46

my dad said to me I was

10:48

com though I mean few months is

10:50

to unite us are caused because up

10:52

on sites. But. You have to understand

10:55

lot when you think if you went united

10:57

you wouldn't as much time to time I

10:59

went to the A T or be honest

11:01

with ya smallest and seem as a kid

11:03

we add was the best team and a

11:05

mom. And. I just like to this

11:07

a lot of into their because of Chelsea's

11:09

as poor as a kid but still sees

11:11

academy. but then yeah Chelsea's Academy I supposed

11:13

to watch Chelsea it's as a nine ten

11:16

eleven year old duties answer. He knows he

11:18

knows the tunnel is come out the tunnel

11:20

so one seasonal sad sort a right and

11:22

not have kids the coffin get you a

11:24

grass yeah Nora was me out a civilian

11:26

clothes off and and and him. We.

11:29

Must not have as much money the next

11:31

year. So the tickets were over the of

11:33

a sudden not end up united. she seats

11:35

and I live on an old boy rapidly

11:37

but economy at the time a Chelsea was

11:40

my he wasn't very good a set of

11:42

one not pleasant A don't have plenty to

11:44

smoke good stuff and west I'm a winner.

11:46

Went to west them are just fell in

11:48

love with lot lot of people would I

11:50

really like the used to Venom of so

11:53

was great guy. The. Coaches was a

11:55

great guy and and we had so you

11:57

had rios years older than me? really idea

11:59

of. Those, I mean. Okay. Michael

12:01

Carrick. Jermain. Defoe. Below.

12:04

Me so all of the best place for

12:06

some reason was going to was some at

12:08

at time rise right? So. That's.

12:11

Why I chose them thought is A to it

12:13

was the best academy to join with her and

12:15

a when. And. I'm. Yeah

12:18

I've I've said it would get busted a

12:20

story so of really wanted to be much

12:22

more cannot and and s I thought final

12:24

it I all might not ever make he

12:27

is a football and I ought be the

12:29

best thing I've ever done. Himalayas by my

12:31

side as he said smith listen now you've

12:33

made your mind.com string the man along. So

12:35

he actually. Saw. At the ring

12:37

up. Alex's and save you know now

12:39

sorry but he's going to sign for West

12:41

Damn fools and yes and that was it.

12:44

And that was the there was other times

12:46

in my career they come in for us

12:48

what are less were som att twenty one.

12:50

But once honey Chelsea were in for me

12:52

to hadn't. So. Was more team

12:55

that.than the heartstrings of pull in

12:57

Lcs teams. That's were I go Go.

12:59

At an ally. or on those one occasion maybe

13:01

they tried to make a bid book here. As.

13:04

It was always close. It's a brief

13:06

decision. Lucy Jones told by his decision

13:09

to turn the United to move to

13:11

Chelsea few by jews during use as

13:13

the Abramovich millions Murray new the special

13:15

ones that the Football Club for you

13:18

to turn the United and Chelsea fan

13:20

but still seems. Three you brumbies Khomeini's

13:22

is a pool Me: something on Gts

13:25

your mama jokes year before me subdivision

13:27

on the spot in a civil suit

13:29

fondue. As us we just saw Alex

13:31

Ferguson's a difficult man to turned. Ah

13:34

yes. Not us. Honestly it to the

13:36

way our solar it. When. I was

13:38

shortlived. Does to to says that to make had

13:40

to leave west time because they needed the money

13:42

so that was or taken that was taken out

13:45

a mob my hands that's the chairman of the

13:47

so I got this so they come up to

13:49

you and say to that know been does it

13:51

was so the corpse you said Listen Joe. We.

13:54

Love you We want you have club bought. Some.

13:57

massive a transfer see here that

13:59

we comrades And we

14:01

have to let you go. Does that how it

14:03

works? I was 21 So it's through through my

14:05

agent my agent was like they

14:07

had to space it had me Glenn

14:09

Johnson Yeah, Jermaine Defoe and Carrick for

14:11

young play assets. Okay, and it was

14:13

like I had

14:16

a year left on my contract Jermaine had to think

14:18

two years Michael had two

14:20

years so Ultimately,

14:22

they knew They had

14:24

to they had to sell the

14:26

ones with one year. Yeah. Yeah So that the

14:29

agent was like if we had a bid, you

14:31

know, we we it would help us It

14:34

would help us if we go so that was taken out and

14:36

then it was like what where do we go? Manchester

14:40

United were interested and they were

14:42

talking with my agent but

14:45

Chelsea were the first team to make a

14:47

move and that happened really quickly John

14:49

because As you

14:51

know, maybe younger but during that summer

14:53

when Roman come in Yeah That

14:55

was an incredible time in English football because we'd

14:58

never seen this kind of money coming in had

15:00

we and there was like no No, there was

15:02

like it was just it was

15:04

who's who it was like someone was playing championship

15:06

manager This guy coming in just buying players. It's

15:08

what it was like. Yeah, I

15:10

thought actually I thought when

15:12

they started signing Damien

15:15

Duff went before me to Press

15:18

all these players. Yeah, some of the players that went

15:20

before me. I thought right. Okay now

15:22

they stopped because I was still 21 Although

15:25

I played a lot but I thought are they shopping at

15:27

the top table now? maybe they don't want me and then

15:29

one day the bid come in and He

15:32

got negotiated in about four hours And

15:35

I just went with my gut instinct I just I

15:38

went to Stanford bridge to do my medical and

15:40

then I you know, I look round and I As

15:44

mad as it sounds right because I've been there since

15:46

a kid right? Yeah, there was a smell

15:48

to it, right? There's

15:50

a smell to it. Yeah, and when your

15:52

instincts kick in I think I can see

15:54

this work Under

15:57

could see where I used to sit. Yeah, so. Once.

16:00

Are the ones that was in my mind. Any.

16:03

Other club was it was never gonna happen to not

16:05

may need to that to give me twice as much

16:07

money I was. I was in it and I'm and

16:10

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16:12

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speak in broken english to time a

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like I was like, I wanted to say, where do you want me

18:01

to play? And he kept going, you

18:03

are my key, you are my key. Yeah,

18:06

and I'm like, where does the key

18:08

play? When

18:11

does the key play? And

18:14

he's like, yeah, and I'm like, cause we've got about

18:16

94 players now. And

18:18

in the end, I just like, he's charming, right?

18:21

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I thought, right, you know,

18:24

I don't think enough players think like this,

18:26

particularly young players. I knew I had

18:28

my work cut out, because if you come into Chelsea, I'm 21, we're

18:31

signing the top scorer in Serie A, which

18:33

we've got, Denmark's right winger, got

18:36

Damien Duff, just been one of the best players

18:38

in the Premier League. He was good, Damien. Yeah,

18:40

you know, and I'm like, right, okay, so I

18:42

got a battle, we've got a battle for our

18:44

place, all of us. But he was good, Claudio,

18:46

but it was the first time I played with

18:48

a foreign manager, which was different, you

18:51

know? But I loved him, and he gave me my

18:53

chance at Chelsea, so I'm happy. For

18:55

some reason, I've got the song, I've got

18:57

the key, I've got the secret. Yeah, yeah,

18:59

listen. And to remind you, Joe, I mean,

19:02

Claudio, let's see, proved it. It's the greatest,

19:04

I believe it's the greatest sporting story ever

19:06

written or ever told. Leicester City winning the

19:08

Premier League. Yes. That story's well told. I

19:10

got told by a very good source, Joe,

19:13

and you can put this story to bed

19:15

if it's false. Josie arrives in the summer

19:17

of 2004. It's,

19:20

I believe, not common knowledge, but Josie

19:22

was unsure. You were on the unsure

19:24

list. Yeah. He came back early

19:26

in the summer. He was there two weeks early, had

19:29

a training ground, and he was bowled over by

19:31

that. Talk to us about that. Well, I

19:33

went to Euro 2004 and

19:38

didn't play a minute for England, and

19:40

I was angry with that. So

19:43

I had, you know, I think

19:45

that frustration bowled over. Played

19:48

like, you know, finished the season under

19:50

Ranieri as a regular,

19:52

we played the semifinal for the Champions League,

19:55

finished Second in the league, and then the new

19:57

manager comes in and then you start in here and

19:59

he wants to sign. they cove who does all the

20:02

way out the diary I was in i think you

20:04

so you know I went away. On

20:06

I'll just get any C C and affords us.

20:08

On. Not on a despite what I let my

20:11

dream die at Chelsea off the one year in

20:13

I saw went back in. And. Adams.

20:15

Joseph been Joseph after for four days

20:17

of training. I went to see him

20:19

and he was like some. Listen.

20:22

He. Said. He. Said if I want their

20:24

cove. Often have him he

20:26

says. Bob. Of.

20:28

Got you. But you've got. And.

20:31

He said to drinas arjen Robben com

20:33

in in. Damien Duff.

20:36

Who. Else is there that saw an article Johnson

20:38

play this of attacking midfield position as well

20:40

we listed see all got his license decisive

20:42

You've gotta do this This, this and this

20:44

and I'll just was lot or case. Good.

20:47

And in a wet a good pre season

20:49

or member the first game of the season

20:52

is much not have a good coach hostile

20:54

to a lot of us has aspires to

20:56

about. Something

20:59

seems almost gods have come back of or

21:02

could have been on a offer to be

21:04

deny that of it. Allows

21:07

all of a lot of of.order

21:09

That was a see I was

21:12

strong we beat mention I'd I'd

21:14

scored move scrappy game and are

21:16

full. Of a modified some agents

21:18

say a lot different in Bassett he as

21:20

it did I mean if we the because

21:22

we want as well Yeah Alyson this is

21:24

the sign of the times here but in

21:26

the next week we got Superman of who

21:28

are very good saw that at the time

21:31

I'm really tough place to go to and

21:33

he put me on a bench. And

21:35

he was. And he said he said you train will dissuade you

21:37

Could have been a bed. She might get a chance. For.

21:40

Mark has brought so between lot eat

21:42

eat eat this a lot. can you

21:44

cruz well and have come off the

21:46

bench tested us new com and about

21:48

laid off the list. Inside.

21:51

Com in school been cool Not yeah yeah

21:54

we win one nil and then it just

21:56

changes then to not made a then start

21:58

the next game and any just. Was and

22:00

any Marino isn't Iraq you is rotate

22:02

me Robin Dos Yeah so much Phillips

22:05

Molo those salutes he doubts that was

22:07

he saying? I guess nobody who was

22:09

who was actually minus thought no chance

22:12

yeah you guys never knew that and

22:14

Josie always had nothing way. always wants

22:16

place to be under told yes and

22:19

I think see if there's one position

22:21

Yeah he really did. That was. On.

22:24

The wind gusts enough of course Robin

22:26

with his injuries and all pretend and

22:28

sometimes okay this not me and own

22:30

s Brittany was easier than and stuff

22:33

like that the so Joseph Fall found

22:35

a way to make sure he kept

22:37

you guys on your toes here and

22:39

that by not telling us his thigh

22:41

the area us in other as you're

22:44

right to learn and and nothing keeps

22:46

If you look at Manchester City now

22:48

with pet there anything Foden Grill is

22:50

more as of see loyalty is so

22:52

cool. Or. Them it's either they all

22:55

get by said new knew what was F S

22:57

B lox it was his. Josie. Was

22:59

just ahead that occurred with House of Blues

23:01

at his spine the same yes lot which

23:03

on played him he ah to send Robs

23:06

the full backs the way we played. Either

23:08

you need to play the ninety minutes ninety

23:10

minutes ninety minutes bus with away new boss.

23:13

He knew. That. Elicits

23:15

is if I'm playing crap and on

23:17

the sixty minutes and he looks beyond

23:19

the Ms. Got robin and.out here are

23:21

just press. Officer

23:24

in order to sign saying is as they

23:26

wish to die and we was some strong

23:28

and you don't have pitch and you'd know

23:31

you'd have to say the game like it

23:33

was just. Is. That you it

23:35

was great management artist Genesis or balancing

23:37

the new generation would have liked that

23:39

they have one likes to be. Yeah.

23:42

Mollycoddling as he said that the me

23:44

when he we're for adam is Yale

23:46

to Miami said listen if I. If.

23:48

I'm with the new generation to where

23:51

I was with you guys here. he

23:53

probably be in jail. And

23:55

us to remember. I say he was

23:57

like are you in Iowa agree. You.

24:00

Know I'm crazy guy on in only

24:02

dresser I'm sticking everything destroying everything doesn't

24:04

speak to place a couple of weeks

24:06

and since if and emotional side of

24:08

it alone a day it's it's You

24:10

know it's crazy but he done this

24:12

to me right. We fight a game.

24:15

thought I had loads of Olive shows

24:17

I say I love it. I thought

24:19

people would seem that way to Pavel.

24:21

I saw commons have a lot of

24:23

arguments are a lot bought. By.

24:25

Love Him by a member who have

24:27

played against. It was a lead time.

24:29

We. One free new home is just a

24:32

diver. Members against a saddle lawful may

24:34

be set to goes up platform upside

24:36

well right? But an. Ally. Couplet

24:38

the the penile I said it on probably

24:40

to the Libya pseudo flicks around half and

24:42

of com want free one a mom with

24:44

goalkeeper it and I should have just so

24:46

i do in boss or crespo to them

24:48

to decide to me. And. A

24:50

full well. I'm. Just gonna do.the I's give

24:53

it to him beer and these not run

24:55

anywhere they descend is another thing, nothing of

24:57

it we one free meal most managers would

24:59

and. Wouldn't. Witnessing anything of a

25:01

to thoughts but we didn't have wound down

25:03

the next day and we was all this

25:05

is before your time fear and will use

25:07

in there. Also feeling pretty good about myself

25:09

playing. I play well with you guys and

25:11

he come over to says he says see

25:13

that he sees you do that shit again.

25:17

You do that again. Swiss He said

25:19

you unison fucking place for me. And

25:22

I was like well as

25:25

of Ulster Messiah or also

25:27

slot really. But. To.

25:30

Debates and there was another example

25:32

of to go there would have

25:34

a number of the winner against

25:36

liverpool right? this is came before

25:39

your thoughts and always let's say

25:41

rob big rivals. Are

25:43

so I was the basis. Of

25:46

go Now that I've been I've begun in a

25:48

winner gets live a full for you club. We.

25:50

Had a great not as I before lot sirens

25:52

more you ordered written I though you always had

25:54

a grid. Of

25:57

was order was in a proper for the window. Really

26:01

bad idea. That. We're

26:04

sorry somebody would bind because some

26:06

goes go name go now bright

26:09

not Node technology. Wakes

26:11

up the next morning. Must

26:13

signs blowing up and he says.

26:16

Black. Bad. Mean the press

26:18

no use line. He has two sides

26:20

to code a beautiful side and the ugly

26:22

side and on need more to beautiful

26:24

side and and he was a slots

26:26

by don't Do this We don't do That

26:28

Does not mean I'm not. Yeah, they're

26:30

just a way of just. Keeping

26:33

us down. Ya ba sing se I think

26:35

he knew every time he done that to

26:37

me. I would respond with have

26:40

an argument. And. I'll respond.

26:42

And I'm. Bottlenosed.

26:45

Us the carrots and now. Of.

26:47

The to the players they listen us.

26:50

Citizen and modern player has bad

26:52

and us in a lot of

26:54

ways slow physically technically technically bought.

26:56

The mentality was because I know.

26:59

Who slept with Well yeah yeah yeah

27:01

in that sense I was too busy.

27:03

there is a rage filled with new

27:05

home sales is don't you want all

27:07

this I was there is target and

27:09

a one of the last you do

27:11

for this is to your response and

27:13

where the subways the dynamics of her

27:15

dressing room. A manager needs

27:17

of full knowledge to say the Macys

27:20

to save with and school for the

27:22

rest were and off you the storms

27:24

to do have a home run ins

27:26

with would use a what were you

27:29

a target of Uzis can of Hungary

27:31

time sources Jobless John John was his

27:33

baby out on a desert other side.

27:37

Of have ever heard of so it's on

27:39

our side of friendly. I glanced around. Did

27:44

sealed made a also illegal

27:46

on. A. Luxury all hijo

27:49

de Silva's He tried his. Dorm

27:52

and is still a saturday of he's

27:54

got a reply Rangers an assembly line

27:56

jones Melissa none of us apply well

27:59

but he's gonna. oh. I

28:01

know is I was so angry Jos

28:03

I am right in front of him.

28:05

There are these dungeon. John's.

28:08

Looks like you're playing like a fucking. Police

28:11

Officer the trunk Saddam Rise or

28:14

those are the causes of free

28:16

season of but the stop with

28:18

a towel. Michelle, the. On

28:20

a lot more years ago when the

28:22

teachers shouldn't be laughing and I've got

28:24

one will. Preserve.

28:29

Our you'll find. My

28:32

way seats because I actually know the

28:34

whole team were play really bad. His

28:37

buddies escapees that but that's what I

28:39

said above him as was Joe the

28:41

when is on be he he picks

28:44

is this one post Felix wants to

28:46

come down to with eleven he has

28:48

been is one person because the he

28:51

we really wants to go after and

28:53

that daily dosage heat off he sealed

28:55

me here in Glasgow. He misses you

28:58

please. Super

29:01

Super. Destroyed

29:05

me also disorder it's and the what op

29:07

but I think I went back to about

29:09

athena went back and after was ten minutes

29:11

or so he took me off his mouth

29:14

Soon as a player the studio terminal you

29:16

for doing a residency in a war and

29:18

muslim growing up on who served in there

29:20

was a couple challenges of him see Bruce

29:22

famous year student one time and enough is

29:25

enough with have any one it shows in

29:27

return for them with the bottom uses the.

29:29

Pew. To

29:31

know what at a time? Ever remember Any

29:34

want a lot. Nine. Or

29:36

I'd an argument with him months

29:38

while others you aren't using. But my

29:40

arguments always. Any. Of this now

29:42

only one on one. Lots. I wasn't

29:44

really. It wasn't really. It

29:48

wasn't. i didn't i just

29:50

need a new best nazi lauded like

29:52

a c santa is the best masuda

29:54

when he thought that ricky kovalyov does

29:57

of fell to that was hilarious us

29:59

asia or Ricky, listen, Ricky's his

30:01

boy, took him everywhere, loved

30:04

him, but I don't know why,

30:06

again, sometimes there's no

30:09

rhyme or reason for it. He never played

30:11

badly for more than two games, Ricky. I've

30:13

never seen him make, hardly ever made a

30:15

mistake, but I

30:17

think it might have been just before you

30:19

come in. Yeah, probably. Ricky's, he's gone to

30:22

Ricky. Yeah, he said

30:24

something in Portuguese, and then

30:26

he said, you're, yeah,

30:29

fuck your shit, I'm not gonna play you, I'm

30:31

gonna play JT then, Gallas, and if I don't

30:33

play them, I'm gonna play Robert Hoof. I'm gonna

30:35

play the kid. Then I'm gonna play the kid,

30:37

Steve, what? Then I'm gonna play Steve, I'm gonna

30:39

play the kick man. I'm not playing him. I

30:41

think it was there, that was it. You might

30:43

have been there, that was just like. Yeah, I

30:45

get the giggles when there's things like that. So

30:50

like, I'm trying not to

30:52

laugh, I'm just, me belly's going over.

30:55

I just liked it better because it was just, it

30:59

was done, it was dealt with, and

31:01

this is sometimes at half time. One's

31:03

got a time, yeah. Yeah, and you got a sort of

31:05

process, if it's come for you and you're the one, you

31:07

got to process it, you got to go out and perform.

31:11

Invariably, most players did, I think

31:13

you did, he was testing

31:15

you to see if you could perform, and

31:17

if you could perform after that, if he could

31:19

trust you in the big games, in the big

31:21

moments. And I think,

31:24

from us, now I've done a bit of coaching,

31:26

John, I think that's why he was doing it.

31:28

Okay. Yeah. So you understand a bit

31:30

more why he was doing it, yeah. Yeah, and then you,

31:33

like he said on here, he

31:35

said, you know, you can't do it with a

31:37

modern player now because times

31:39

are different, and listen, who are we

31:42

to say, time's better now? You

31:44

know, I'm a people a bit more, a bit

31:46

more kinder to each other, you know, certainly. So

31:49

I definitely do think, when

31:52

we, back in the day, we

31:54

were parents raised, you know, raised

31:56

men, men, kind of, because

31:58

we were able to deal with this. situations. You know,

32:00

when I look at the games now, I'm

32:03

not, I'm not saying anything bad about obviously

32:05

the club, but then you

32:07

look at the games, you look at the

32:09

effort and the players when they finished playing

32:11

the games, it's like, you know, they go

32:14

through games, probably five, six, seven games without

32:16

any player having to go at each other.

32:18

Yeah. Yeah. Back in the day.

32:21

Yeah. Even in training, we, you know,

32:23

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. There's fights, playing,

32:25

you know, going after each other, punching

32:28

each other, kicking each other because you

32:30

want to be on the pitch. Yeah. And

32:32

right now I watched the Chelsea team. There's

32:35

nothing like that. Everybody's so friendly with each

32:37

other. It's like, oh yeah. I

32:39

want to invite you tomorrow for, you know, for

32:41

lunch. If I shout out you on the pitch

32:43

today, probably, you know, gonna ask about, you know,

32:45

things like that. It's just, it's just

32:47

not what we used to buy. So yeah.

32:49

I agree, John. And because the job I

32:52

do now where I'm working, I'm meeting the

32:54

guys, you know, and I'm

32:56

interviewing them and I speak to them and, I

32:58

find it, I still find it strange. I say to,

33:01

after the game, when they're all going up to the

33:03

opposition, like talking to each other, like, you know, and

33:06

thing, and, you know, I

33:08

didn't speak to Rio for about eight years, unless

33:10

we met up for England, like, you know, Michael

33:13

Carrick, I room with him at West End, but

33:15

when we were up, like, it was just like,

33:17

no, you're there and we're there. And that's it.

33:19

And we're, we're that. But

33:22

these guys, like I said, I'm

33:24

on the fence as to, you know, I think it's

33:26

better that they're a bit more open and we're talking

33:28

about things a bit more, but, you

33:31

know, and they're all great

33:34

guys. You know, all of them, honestly, John,

33:37

I go to Chelsea a lot and I interviewed the guys, like,

33:39

Connor Gallagher, for instance, what a guy. I was just

33:41

going to say, Connor

33:44

for me is the guy that when he

33:47

finished playing a game, you can tell, okay,

33:49

okay, this guy has been in a football

33:51

game. Yeah. He gives all, he gives his

33:53

all, he's running, he's tackling, he's giving 110%.

33:57

Connor is the one player that I will single out

33:59

and say. This guy is fighting for the

34:01

bats. Absolutely. Apart from Conor, there's nobody else. I

34:03

wouldn't really... The way they was after, he's a

34:05

little bit, truthfully, is

34:08

Conor Galick and not the standard that Chelsea need. I

34:11

think Conor, and one thing I put

34:14

above anything else, he's got

34:16

a ability, but like, believe me, I've seen

34:18

him up close. He's a very talented player.

34:20

You know, I think he'll keep getting

34:22

better in the same way that Jordan Henderson did at

34:25

Liverpool. And I think it'd be

34:27

a travesty if Chelsea let him

34:29

go. You know, they're talking about the homegrown

34:31

players. Yep. Like him, there's been rumours him

34:33

going for Tottenham. I know him, yeah. Please

34:35

don't. Like, if I could speak to the

34:38

owners now, just don't

34:40

do that. Like, you've

34:42

got... First of all, you've got to understand,

34:44

like, look, two ex-players here who

34:46

watch Chelsea all the time, and we've

34:48

both singled him out. You know, is Conor as

34:50

gifted as Enzo? Is he as

34:52

gifted as, you know,

34:55

Cole Palmer's... You

34:57

know, maybe arguably not

34:59

technically, you know, but in

35:01

my team, if I'm picking a team I need

35:03

to win, he's playing every week. And if you

35:06

let that go at the dressing room as well,

35:08

the unseen things that you

35:10

miss, do you know what I mean? Absolutely.

35:13

Just if someone's listening at the club, which

35:15

they... I hope they are. They do. They

35:17

do. They're always listening. Please, please keep Conor

35:19

Gallagher. Forget, you know, how much money is

35:22

worth on the spreadsheet. Find the money somewhere

35:24

else. But I think the

35:26

kid's, like, going to get better and

35:28

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35:30

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35:48

you recognise the football club now, Joe? You know,

35:50

you look at the new owners that have come

35:52

in. It's a bit of heat, I'm skiing them.

35:54

And my opinion, a billion pounds has been spared.

35:56

Still finding their identity moving

35:58

away from the Abramovich team. So

36:00

you recognise the football club that you've said on this

36:02

podcast is supported as a wee boy. Yeah,

36:05

well, that's a great question. But

36:07

to be honest with you, the football club I supported

36:09

as a boy and the team I played for was

36:11

like two different things. Like it was honestly, mate, I

36:14

used to, I was a ball boy behind the goal.

36:16

You've probably seen the pictures and there was people used

36:18

to park the cars behind the goal. So

36:21

I used to leave like, Premier League, Premier

36:23

League, I'm telling you, there wasn't even seats

36:26

at one end. Yeah. Yeah. And,

36:29

and I was crazy that, you know, I

36:32

watched, you know, my

36:34

heroes, like I'm talking Kerry Dixon playing

36:36

like years ago. Yeah.

36:41

But so I've seen it evolve. You

36:43

know, and in Romans era, we went and

36:45

won everything and, you know, become

36:47

a global team. Yeah. With

36:50

the new guys, the new owners, like, I

36:53

think if we sat him down and you, that

36:55

would be great to get one of them on

36:57

your podcast. I think they should do more things

36:59

like that to speak to the crowd and the

37:01

fans. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. I think

37:03

they believe we've got a young squad now and

37:06

I think they believe in two years time we'll be up

37:08

there. I think it's good for somebody. Yeah. I

37:10

think you just said it's good for somebody from the

37:12

club to actually come out and speak to the fans

37:14

and say, listen, and this is our vision. This is

37:16

where we want to go. Yeah. I

37:18

know we know we're going to take a bit of

37:20

time because of the transition, but

37:23

we'll get there. Yeah. And

37:25

they've done well. Sitting here criticizing them.

37:27

They've done well. They've spent money. Yeah.

37:30

They bought really good young players who we think in the

37:32

next four or five years, they will be, they will be

37:34

world class players. We hope so. They need

37:36

to come out and say that to the fans because the

37:39

fans are sitting there not knowing what's

37:41

going on. So for one of

37:43

them to come out and say that will be really good. And

37:45

I hope you can take him on the podcast. I

37:48

don't know if you make exclusive. I think

37:50

you're right. I think there needs

37:53

to be a little bit more transparency there. You

37:55

know, I've said it. John knows this. Anyone

37:57

that listens or watches his podcast will know.

38:00

I'm a huge Liam Potter fan. I think he's going

38:02

to be a success next job where

38:04

he goes Is poach moving

38:06

that football club along enough for you

38:08

Joe? Is it not a little bit

38:11

like Jesus have the kit with Graham?

38:13

Would they not have seen a little bit more? I

38:16

guess growth because poach is stagnated a little bit

38:18

for me. I think you can go all the

38:20

way back to Thomas Tookle You

38:22

know, I mean Thomas Tookle proven. I look

38:24

at Jurgen Klopp at Liverpool, right? And

38:26

he lost 12 games last year, you

38:29

know, and now they're sitting on top of the league Top

38:32

managers, you know, there's no find a way

38:34

they find the way and and and Thomas

38:36

to call for whatever reasons The

38:39

club went away from Thomas Graham Potter

38:41

come in, you know Maybe I

38:43

think I'm part of would would have

38:45

would have will be a top manager and

38:47

he has proven himself at the Premier League

38:49

Level, maybe it was just a jump too

38:51

much for him in terms of life You

38:53

know like the club that she used to

38:55

have in Anchelotty Scholari Jose

38:58

Mourinho Conte This

39:00

is a proven, proven man as well. Yeah

39:03

this is my thing about becoming a manager and

39:06

Doing you could do a million sessions in the world.

39:08

You could have every you could do that. You could

39:10

have every session Known

39:13

to a coach to a man, but you know Technically

39:16

you could know everything but when you

39:18

standing out there with 11 top

39:21

world-class players five of them hate you Six from

39:23

like yeah, the others on the bench hate you

39:25

even more Yeah, you know the fans are on

39:27

your back big pressure on the media, you know

39:30

Can you make the good decisions right and and

39:32

maybe for grandpa that would have been the

39:35

next step for after him Maybe they needed

39:37

to go somewhere before that and in Frank

39:39

coming back. I think was it was it

39:41

was so hard for him John honestly because

39:44

By that time the group it was in the right

39:47

in the middle of the transition spell Yeah, everyone

39:49

was going out coming in. I mean, we didn't

39:51

know who was staying who was going It was

39:53

like in and out in and out. You

39:55

know, it was so tough for Frank the second

39:57

spell. Yeah, and then then Poch

40:00

is coming in and again he's firefighting all the time.

40:02

As I helped him with the injuries, I don't know

40:04

what's going on at the club now. They seem to

40:06

be every five minutes, my phone's

40:08

pinging, someone else is pulling down the string, someone else

40:10

is. You know what I mean?

40:13

It's like, what are you doing? It's James, it's James. I

40:15

mean, I love him, I love him as a player. I

40:17

love him and I think he should be the captain of

40:19

the football club. Yeah. You

40:22

can't be the captain of the football club

40:24

if you are constantly, constantly getting injured. I

40:26

love him as a player, I love him

40:28

as a person. But

40:31

we need, obviously, we played

40:33

with the greatest captain I

40:37

think a football club will ever

40:39

have. Constantly

40:41

there. It doesn't matter, he

40:44

played broken toes. Remember

40:46

that. Training. Exactly, exactly, JT.

40:48

Broken toe, he played training,

40:50

trained with it. This

40:53

was what we had and this is

40:55

something that will always galvanize the team.

40:57

If your captain is always there and

40:59

you always see who is the leader.

41:02

But now we don't have that. I

41:05

like Rhys, but I hope he starts

41:07

out his injury problems and come

41:09

back and be there for the team because this is now

41:11

when we actually do need somebody

41:14

there. Yeah, I agree. So for

41:16

me, I hope he

41:18

comes back stronger. I think you need to take your

41:20

time with him, with Rhys. I think, I sort of

41:23

want to say to him, listen, it

41:25

looks like he's doing too much. He's top heavy, too

41:27

much gym. And I think when he goes onto the

41:30

pitch, maybe, he's trying so hard because

41:32

he wants to do so well for the club. I think

41:34

he's doing too much. I think we need to go with

41:36

Rhys, use him sparingly and build

41:38

him up to make him

41:40

robust enough to play regularly. I don't think,

41:42

for one second, question his mentality because I

41:44

know that he wants to win. He

41:47

wants to win and he wants to do well for Chelsea.

41:49

And that's, I'm sure of that.

41:51

I just think it's the people around him telling

41:53

him, lift this way, this place. He's

41:55

probably spending hours a day in the gym. Sometimes,

41:58

sometimes he needs to listen. and you're Rhys

42:01

James, you're a great player. You'll always

42:03

be a great player. You'll be 60 and I'll give you

42:05

the ball and you'll be able to whip it. Do you

42:07

know what I mean? Just get

42:09

yourself on the pitch. Once the game's won

42:11

after 60 minutes, come off, sit down, relax.

42:14

Exactly. We're playing Preston in the FA Cup.

42:16

You're going to have a date. Don't

42:18

go in the gym. Just, I

42:21

think a lot of these young players overtrain and

42:23

I think at Chelsea a lot of them are

42:25

overtraining and that's just my opinion.

42:27

Maybe I'm wrong because I don't have all the

42:29

information but from what I see from

42:31

the outside, there's far too many injuries

42:33

and I think that usually means they're

42:35

doing too much. Too much in the gym, yeah. Interesting

42:39

that. You mentioned Liverpool. I want to

42:41

get to your move from Chelsea to

42:43

Liverpool. I've got to put one story

42:45

to bed. We've talked a lot about

42:47

Julesy. He is the gift that keeps

42:49

on giving. Everyone's fascinated by Julesy. You've

42:52

got to tell us the story, Jules. He loved a certain

42:54

car that you bought that he not too busy. He

42:56

did, yeah. Do you

42:59

know what? I'm not really one for cars, right?

43:01

But I always, one

43:03

of my dreams was to play for

43:05

Chelsea Football Club. One of my

43:07

dreams was to play for England. One

43:09

of my dreams was to have a Ferrari. Ooh. All

43:12

right. Okay. I wanted to be a

43:14

Ninja Tur, as well. There's still time for

43:16

that. Anyway, I've

43:18

achieved three out of four. I've got the Ferrari.

43:23

And he loved it. He loved his cars, Jules. It's

43:25

the only real, like, amazing

43:27

car I've got I ever

43:29

had. And he loved it. And he kept

43:31

trying to buy it off me. I

43:33

was just hinting. I was just like, yeah, you

43:35

know, maybe if a new deal

43:37

comes my way, maybe we can do something. But

43:41

he loved it, you know? And I

43:43

was just like, you know, if

43:46

I start on a weekend, you can have it, Daphne. You can have it, you

43:48

know. But, um... I

43:51

love it. But, yeah. Yeah,

43:53

the reason I love that car, and it's

43:55

actually, and now I've talked about some

43:57

bad business moves I've done. It

44:00

was a Ferrari scaglietti right and it was I

44:02

was very lucky to get it because when you're

44:05

in a height your career They probably want the

44:07

young England players to be in the car So

44:09

I'm very lucky to get it and it turned

44:11

out to be if I would have

44:13

held on to it even to this day It had gone

44:15

up in value But I ended up selling it and it

44:17

was only because I'm so tight I kept

44:20

I'll tell you why I kept scratching it in the

44:22

car park at Chelsea costing me a fortune I went

44:24

no I'm not doing it anymore Cuz

44:26

you're so tired stand for free. Oh, yeah

44:29

the park No,

44:35

I think he would have done but I think he got

44:37

the sack otherwise Negotiating

44:42

Yeah No,

44:45

you know a boy who Chelsea fan

44:47

the day that you leave the club and

44:49

then John you've spoken about it Yeah, the

44:51

news to China didn't quite work out with

44:53

you and until you come to the idea

44:55

I should gonna leave the football club usual

44:57

went from a big club to

45:00

another monster club institution in

45:02

the shape of a pool are still in

45:04

Tottenham links truth to that who else was

45:06

any for you and then how The

45:09

thing was the situation was me after

45:11

the 2008 Champions League final. I had

45:14

two years left on my contract I

45:17

won player of the year right,

45:20

but they They

45:22

was negotiate This

45:25

negotiation started the following season when Scholary

45:27

come in, you know, and

45:29

I was playing regularly Not

45:32

to the level I was the season before but none of us

45:34

were we we did off of it. Yeah, we did and Negotiations

45:38

negotiation started and we was getting there

45:41

Bit and in but then I've done my

45:43

knee in and I was 29 nearly 29

45:45

or just turned 29 I

45:48

think I've done my knee work and that was

45:50

that was probably the start the end of my

45:52

career John because I Was never

45:54

the same player after that. It was

45:56

I've done everything ACL PCOM CL roof

45:58

and I was out for 11

46:00

months so it hurt

46:03

me but in hindsight

46:05

Chelsea were right from

46:07

a business perspective they stopped the negotiations to see

46:09

how I was when I come back so

46:12

I missed the rest of the season we

46:14

won the FA Cup I missed I missed against

46:17

ever and I missed the only cut final I didn't

46:19

play in what I was out for that. Goss

46:22

hitting. Yes yeah and we

46:24

won that. Yeah we won that yeah. You're

46:28

not a fan of Gus? Oh yeah

46:30

I'm a big fan. Oh he's my

46:32

dad isn't he? You remember what he

46:34

used to say exactly. Yeah yeah. Goss

46:36

is like your second. Oh the managers

46:38

love John. They set a face in

46:40

it. Yeah yeah. Goss was

46:42

one who really absolutely absolutely loved

46:44

loved loved me. Yeah yeah. Every

46:47

time he came back to the club I was

46:50

like the number one player on the board. Yeah

46:52

yeah. That's good man. I'm not

46:54

surprised John. I'm not surprised.

46:57

So they stopped from being in

46:59

a really strong position to negotiate the

47:02

contract doing my knee Chelsea

47:04

pulled back from negotiations then

47:07

I come back the next

47:09

season in August October

47:11

time by this time Carlo

47:13

had come into the club. Yeah

47:16

October and Anelka was playing well.

47:19

Meluda was playing well. Kalu was

47:21

playing well. Drogba was playing well.

47:23

Yeah and then I

47:25

was coming in off

47:28

the bench playing well but it was hard to

47:30

break back into the team and

47:32

it got

47:34

to the guys went

47:36

away to the African Nations Cup I remember. Yeah.

47:39

In the January so I knew I'd have

47:41

a chance to play regularly. I played every

47:43

game six or seven eight games in a

47:45

row. Yeah. Played really well and then there

47:47

was a big and then they started to

47:49

weaken off for you this new contract. It

47:52

wasn't that what it was before and

47:54

in my ego got involved a little bit. It

47:57

was more of a struggle. Would

48:00

play knee, would blow up, You

48:03

know that's it. You know I couldn't do certain things I

48:05

used to be able to do not, but. Added.

48:08

Stream of to remember sometimes if is a game

48:10

he always had eyes bomb yeah only know on

48:12

your knee and stuff yeah money or needed each

48:14

on. it was like a lot of time it

48:17

was a lot tied. Anyone is had the injury

48:19

would tell ya he's are you. Is.

48:21

Very rare you get back to where you are

48:23

we not maybe now days is different as different.

48:25

Technologies that are nice

48:28

but syrups. They. Then

48:30

they said my stop new

48:32

contract negotiations but Carlo actually.

48:35

Wanted. Me to stay. And it was.

48:37

Think. So. In the

48:39

background there was the manager on a police

48:41

car locus or sees a good decent human.

48:43

I wouldn't stay said. I

48:46

wanna play you but. Hulu was planned so

48:48

well as so was my lewd on a mile

48:50

Yeah, he's on a non. I'm sensible enough to

48:52

know that. That's I am. Well law

48:54

no knock on a manager. stores they're not saw

48:57

was lot. yeah yeah and then. Fall.

48:59

Was planned well when applied is what us. While

49:01

we won the double everyone was doing a bit

49:04

and I'm he got to that ended a season

49:06

we at the Man United game. Oh

49:08

trusted and nieces I'm. Not.

49:11

The So: my body was just asylum

49:13

me and I think I think Hulu

49:15

must have been injured for him not

49:17

to play. For. Whatever reason but

49:19

us thought the oh is a taught

49:22

or decide our of Old Trafford. And.

49:26

Ah and our new always saw in. And

49:29

a full we have to win the game but control of

49:31

us would lose the league. And.

49:33

Have pulled me back right in the last

49:35

two minutes. I didn't want his food. the

49:37

butler the plane is lot plasm are literally

49:39

can't move. model I'm feeling would assume finds

49:42

them a right later you're a walking off

49:44

past Carlo and Clematis. Are you ready for

49:46

tomorrow? But your big plat? yeah I'll give

49:48

me to g ups and I'm thinking of

49:50

Survivor and. i'm

49:52

not selling them are not selling improve

49:54

you saw tell him he's gonna play

49:56

someone else on i'm playing some aura

49:59

some clubs blair I grabbed Glen

50:01

Driscoll, I said, as

50:03

soon as Carlo went away, I was basically collapsed, I

50:06

went, my back's fucked, my back's fucked. I said, get

50:08

me, and he went, don't worry, we'll work on you.

50:10

So we went in the pool, we worked for hours,

50:12

and credit to him, like he's a really good physio,

50:15

worked for hours in the pool, loosen off, I

50:17

didn't do anything super, I'm back and seized up

50:19

where my knee went, anyway, got all

50:22

the anti-inflammatory, get on the

50:24

coach, get there, treatment all night,

50:26

I still can't walk for breakfast

50:28

properly, but then he's loosening off,

50:31

I thought, right, I'm playing, because this, you

50:33

know, it's shit or bust. Yeah, yeah. And

50:35

then we play, we start the game, and

50:37

they're on fire, they're popping their back,

50:40

oh, this is just hard, man, old

50:42

Trafford with one leg, fucking hell. And

50:45

then, and then, scored

50:47

a goal to make it 1-0. Yeah,

50:50

you did, didn't you? Flicked it in. Yeah,

50:52

yeah, yeah. And then we got, Didier puts

50:54

us two in and a half, and we

50:56

know now, he's in our hands now, we can win the league.

50:59

And anyway, we win the game, and then,

51:02

I don't think I can train for three or

51:04

four days, I really wreck myself, but that was

51:07

like how my body was after that. And then

51:09

I'm thinking to myself, I think something subconsciously thought

51:11

to myself, you know, I need

51:13

to, you know, I'm

51:15

never gonna get to the player I was, so

51:18

I thought, I've got to leave, really, you know

51:21

what I mean? I don't wanna finish

51:23

my Chelsea career, just, you

51:25

know, sitting there, on an injury

51:27

table, and then, I

51:30

had a choice between Liverpool and Spurs, because

51:32

Arsenal pulled out, and I just

51:34

couldn't go to Spurs. Like, I

51:37

just couldn't go to, like, you know, it would

51:39

make sense, Harry Redneck was the manager, then

51:41

a good team, I lived in London, do

51:44

you know what I mean? All my pals, half my

51:46

pals are Spurs. Spurs, yeah, they live in London as

51:49

well. I just couldn't do it, I was just like,

51:51

you know, I'm really intrigued, my daughter was just

51:53

born, and Liverpool's a great

51:55

club, you know, it didn't

51:58

work for me there, basically, You know., Fantastic

52:00

Club is a sushi globally there.

52:03

And. I'm. Excited! As

52:05

much time again. I'd probably

52:07

go node you know what white

52:09

and now gone abroad somewhere. Hot

52:11

cars that the astral plane in

52:13

the heat help money cause off

52:16

the nineties he exhausted are also

52:18

Liverpool West damn villa. A

52:20

bucket he knows a thing or wins at

52:22

a good season. France and been a woman

52:24

to all was. He them

52:26

but money was just manager my injuries

52:28

yes about managing to still play play

52:31

well sometimes but never really consistent like

52:33

a husband and then I'm on. Never

52:35

played for England again after two thousand

52:37

and ten. And. Then when

52:39

I went to America it was a miracle.

52:42

Live in in the sun, money was like

52:44

sixty seventies do not right now lot easier

52:46

block and still play. It

52:49

was a miracle. South Seas. I'm exhausted of a.

52:52

On. Saw our gone abroad somewhere hot may

52:54

be spinal southern Italy some when I

52:56

think how to been able to play

52:58

at the top level a little bit

53:00

longer but ultimately I was in the

53:02

same player off the that knee injury

53:04

issues than us. It's sad but. I.

53:07

Didn't either long for it. You see there

53:09

you wish perhaps exaggerate them again. you would

53:11

have gone abroad are want to talk about

53:13

your need in France to purchase. Joel,

53:16

the A Suit and an awful lot

53:18

of in Indianapolis, Indiana. Jones

53:21

no Need and Christmas card list.

53:23

Ah ah ah ah what's happened.

53:26

Is also runs through the use of

53:28

resources as Dogs About Football is a

53:30

lot at Isi. His good guy. Mason

53:33

but you have even from from

53:35

within his staff to be thirty.

53:37

Dean should be done about season

53:39

during. His assists

53:42

muslim bought the numbers for

53:44

a little bigger. Beer for

53:46

of to Victoria Nuland before and a lot

53:49

of weeks of world new of the cel

53:51

new before I knew this was he was

53:53

and we'll. We'll. we'll sponsored

53:55

a manager rudi garcia who's

53:57

of fantastic manage otherwise season

54:00

He's been really good. I mean,

54:02

it was a great adventure for me and

54:04

my family to go out to there But he I spoke to

54:06

him and you know, I went to

54:08

imagine like like I went where'd you see me

54:11

playing? He went well, he's got the ball that

54:13

he went well He said you're gonna be here

54:15

and Eden's here in the middle and unlike and

54:17

then if I'll do this Was

54:21

in the middle And

54:25

he's gone no he said listen I need You

54:27

could help us with your experience and you could do this

54:29

and do this but Eden is a very special player Listen,

54:35

you know, it's like a Chelsea every kid that come to train with

54:37

us was gonna be the new big thing Yeah,

54:40

they ended up yeah, you know, yeah, but

54:42

the first day I saw him John He

54:45

come in and he had these he's sitting there with

54:47

his hands like that. No way Look

54:50

and I'm like, all right, are you doing

54:52

that? I'm sure away from that age. Yes

54:55

Well, you always know this is all natural.

54:57

He's like that very relaxed Like literally the

54:59

managers having to pick him up to get

55:01

him out to training. Oh Laughing

55:06

and joking and not moving and

55:09

then he get the ball and he He'd

55:12

done something and I was wow Okay,

55:15

might be luck And

55:18

I'm like wow and I've just

55:20

fed to the gaffer Rudy Garcia spent I

55:23

said, yeah play him in the And

55:26

I sort of played a Little

55:28

bit deeper which I really actually really liked

55:31

I played in the more sort of midfield

55:33

role Because didn't

55:35

Dimitri pay it was there as well. Oh, yeah.

55:37

Okay. We had a hell of a team We

55:40

finished second or third if it

55:42

was I think it was second Maybe we dropped a third last

55:45

game in the season, but we had a

55:47

fantastic team and then playing with

55:49

him, too The biggest compliment

55:51

I can play for Ed

55:53

and hazard was it even made payet look

55:56

just Average like a player. Yeah,

55:58

I had that was unbelievable. And

56:00

he asked me about lot he had all the clubs

56:02

one in him. Or not just

56:04

sports myself. Listen a new a much you love

56:07

really sweet of you and say listen. He

56:09

i'm are wouldn't mind a don't get any clubs

56:11

in trouble but remember that was. The.

56:14

Manchester Darby and wanted a Manchester clubs of send

56:16

it over a private jet for him and his

56:18

family to com um watch the game. You.

56:20

Know that, You know. Your.

56:22

Area or not is not me. Way more

56:24

reliable here and I let the drawn minute

56:27

lot of you get up and analysis. Forget

56:29

about Manchester my the since you need to

56:31

be London and because we are new office

56:33

sees a family guy or kids from a

56:35

young age. she's brothers was there are said

56:37

you loved Chelsea could use a great club

56:39

the fans will love you cause they love

56:41

players who play lot you and I said

56:44

you know your train away from. Home

56:46

seen it uses a homeboy. yeah

56:48

you know Las Santa of ever thinks

56:51

he's isn't isn't cool he did to

56:53

build it as I know know com

56:55

a sua to me since she got

56:58

me a west side twenty percent about

57:00

as opposed to a bought a house

57:02

but. I

57:05

didn't know how. Xbox. More

57:08

was our special power without me.

57:10

When he starts it's incredible. Double

57:13

figures goes, double figures, assists us

57:15

thing in and reserves. By

57:17

successive seas and yells France on

57:19

ensuing. When we spoke. With

57:22

as a fascination of a. Movie

57:25

or doing. See his transformation in his

57:28

goofy Chelsea do or and ultimately a

57:30

see the based in his job we

57:32

alongside his piece The Best. He's the

57:35

best buy or have played with the

57:37

most. How they plowed his autonomy. Jonathan

57:39

to say Madison? Yes, I'm technically yes.

57:42

Obviously I would put Arjen Robben. Up

57:45

with him on shouldn't. Could.

57:48

Go with the less look. At. in

57:50

cook i both sides that sassy as

57:52

an assistant nesbitt an employee i wouldn't

57:54

say at eight and as and because

57:57

for me he was a was injured

57:59

com Yeah, yeah, yeah. He was always injured,

58:01

you know. He was only at Chelsea though, because when

58:03

he was playing in the Premier League, some players can't

58:05

play in the Premier League. Yeah, exactly though, but when

58:07

he played in Bayern, he was always, we can be

58:10

heard playing. And that's what we're saying,

58:12

like, on Madrid when he, exactly.

58:14

He was always playing, but only at Chelsea he

58:16

was always injured. Yeah, but you know why? Bayern

58:19

Munich, you're playing, look at how he came into

58:21

the German league. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. Like, you're

58:23

playing for Bayern Munich, and I

58:26

watched him, and I think he said that, one of the best

58:28

I played with. But he didn't have

58:30

to be explosive all the time. There was none of

58:32

this connecting with a team, running back,

58:34

he would stand up in the right wing, give him the ball

58:36

when he's a genius, and he'd just do that and score. Yeah.

58:39

But yeah, the demands on the

58:42

Premier League, particularly in that era for

58:44

wingers, was like,

58:47

you know, me and Damien Duff, we

58:50

love Arjun, obviously. And we used to,

58:53

before your time, Jose used to set

58:55

us up, it would be two out of three would

58:57

play. One would

58:59

be on the right, and one would be on the

59:01

left, and we'd flip it, as Jose left it to

59:03

us as we see fit. And

59:06

say if you're playing against Arsenal, and

59:08

you got Ashley Cole as

59:10

the left back, and say Stepanov's as

59:12

the right back or something. So, Robben,

59:15

right? Robben had the great habit of

59:17

like, he'd work out who was the weaker fullback, and just

59:19

go and stand there, and look at you. And

59:21

he'd both forget, I'd go, what am I gonna do with Ashley Cole?

59:24

And I'd be like, ah, I'll go and deal with Ashley. I

59:27

need to stay there. He

59:29

clicked that. And ultimately,

59:32

it worked, because he one on one, and he was like,

59:34

yeah, bang, it beats him. He

59:36

said something that I'm gonna pick up on.

59:38

I find it amazing. Jose Mourinho, hard

59:41

with a brush to everything, there was

59:43

nothing left to chance. You just said

59:45

there, Joe, that his wide men, in

59:47

that first iteration, the first Chelsea team,

59:49

he gave you the freedom to decide

59:51

who to play. How, if we wanted

59:54

to do it, it actually, it actually

59:56

quite, I really

59:58

enjoyed it, because we could come. with

1:00:00

your float inside and thicken up the midfield

1:00:03

and you had the freedom to do and

1:00:05

I was smart enough

1:00:08

to know as well if they had

1:00:11

a really really slow fullback. Baffa and Robben were

1:00:13

a lot quicker than me so

1:00:15

we they'd go and play high and wide up against

1:00:17

them and I'd probably come and drop in and come

1:00:19

a bit closer to the midfield but

1:00:22

I think other managers wanted it a bit more rigid

1:00:24

so when

1:00:27

Joe was left I was more off the

1:00:29

right playing more than the left. Sometimes

1:00:32

I play on the left because we had Malouda

1:00:34

with his left foot. Kalu

1:00:37

could play both sides couldn't he? Kalu was more I'd say I

1:00:39

was a midfielder

1:00:45

playing on the wing and Kalu was

1:00:47

a forward playing on the wing. Kalu

1:00:50

had great timing

1:00:52

of his run. He had great timing because

1:00:54

he knew exactly when to get in the

1:00:56

box because he could see the ball coming

1:00:59

from that side and he knows his timing

1:01:01

has to be right perfect and he did

1:01:03

it really well and yeah I think that's

1:01:06

actually right when he was just taking that.

1:01:08

I never thought about that. I think in

1:01:10

the modern game I think me and John

1:01:12

would probably

1:01:16

make a nice little midfield pairing.

1:01:18

Yeah we're putting off each other

1:01:21

sharing the number 10 role.

1:01:23

Just putting off there you know what I

1:01:27

mean. It's interesting I think you know in

1:01:29

England and Britain we've got this thing where

1:01:31

a young player is built up to be

1:01:33

the next superstar. Wayne Rooney had it and

1:01:36

it's amazing to me I hear so many

1:01:38

people that say despite the fact he won

1:01:40

all that he won he was

1:01:43

in the A's Manchester, his record goals for

1:01:45

her. He was England's but Wayne

1:01:47

Rooney never fulfilled his potential. Joe

1:01:50

Cole, natural talent and when you look back

1:01:52

in your career Joe any regrets do you

1:01:54

feel when you were in looking at what

1:01:56

I want to go and achieve did

1:01:58

you achieve all that you did? You did the one

1:02:01

that missed me was the was the Champions

1:02:03

League. I think four semi-finals are played and

1:02:05

then a final in Moscow. I actually come

1:02:07

off for a Nelka

1:02:10

in the final because he I'd never taken a penalty

1:02:12

in my career up to that point. And

1:02:14

obviously Nico was a penalty taker. And so that would have

1:02:17

been my my penalty. But

1:02:19

I regret not winning, not regret, because, you

1:02:22

know, you get what you're given. Like I said,

1:02:24

you know, you got to be happy with what

1:02:27

you got in life. You know, I'm just thinking,

1:02:29

you think if you stayed on the pitch, you would

1:02:31

have you would have scored that penalty. If

1:02:34

you eventually thought, you know what? I know where I

1:02:36

would have gone. I know what side I would have

1:02:38

gone. And it was the other side. Would

1:02:42

you have gone the other side? 100% no way. Yeah,

1:02:45

listen to that. So sometimes we

1:02:47

would have won the Champions League like that.

1:02:49

You said it. OK. That

1:02:54

was the keeps in the game. You win the

1:02:56

Champions League in 2018. Fucking

1:02:58

hell, though. You've killed on it. You

1:03:02

just get on the pitch and just go

1:03:04

the other way. Yeah. But, you know, so

1:03:08

missing out on the Champions League because

1:03:10

they won everything else was it

1:03:13

hurt when John's when. See, that was an interesting one for

1:03:15

me when they won it in 2012. I

1:03:18

was sitting in Lille getting ready for a game.

1:03:21

And the feelings, John, right? And like looking back now

1:03:23

as a 42 year old man, like

1:03:27

there was like there was there

1:03:29

was like a jealousy. Like I

1:03:31

got, you know, naturally, I wanted to be

1:03:33

there with the lads like and then there

1:03:35

was a happiness. And then

1:03:37

there was like, oh, man, I should

1:03:39

have been there. Then there was a happiness. You

1:03:42

know, all these motions mixed up, you

1:03:44

know. And it was

1:03:47

very hard. And in fact, then

1:03:49

I didn't like I'd run like

1:03:52

some of the lads who I knew, you know,

1:03:54

like the Ashley's and messages. And then I'm

1:03:56

like, I'm so happy for them and John.

1:03:59

Yeah. You know, but it

1:04:01

wasn't meant to be yeah, but what's

1:04:03

to say, you know, maybe coaching career Down

1:04:06

the line. Maybe that's it's

1:04:08

meant for me that way but going back to

1:04:10

the only regret I have and it's nothing I

1:04:12

could do anything. I think to myself

1:04:14

I wouldn't have done my knee in South End and I

1:04:17

had another five six

1:04:19

seven years at Chelsea, I Think

1:04:22

I think I would have won it. Yeah

1:04:24

with 2012 with the ladders and

1:04:26

maybe you know Would have played, you know, but

1:04:28

there's nothing you could do about it. I started

1:04:30

playing professional football in the Premier League at 17

1:04:34

Got smashed a bit for them. And I think

1:04:36

by the time I was 29 I was

1:04:39

just an old car and then and the

1:04:41

fan belt run out effectively the knees gone

1:04:44

You know, not what are they was long

1:04:46

gone by then? Yeah, I see. I was a

1:04:49

Ford Cortina by the end. Yeah. Yeah Because

1:04:53

in there you've mentioned a Chelsea regret,

1:04:55

you know, John We've spoken about it

1:04:57

you climbed a mountain with Chelsea, but

1:04:59

you also climbed a mountain with Nigeria

1:05:02

Yeah, the African formations and I look

1:05:04

at you Joe part of

1:05:06

the golden generation Yeah, I'm gonna go one

1:05:08

again, you know this I look at this England team and think

1:05:10

to myself It's maybe even better

1:05:12

than the generation is any part of

1:05:15

you is any part of you regretful

1:05:18

that that England team didn't

1:05:20

go yet, but regretful but

1:05:23

what I would say is like it It's

1:05:27

just it's collectively we

1:05:29

just wasn't there like we

1:05:31

was we did we never put it all together You

1:05:34

know you look at a 2002 team that won it Ronaldo

1:05:37

Ronaldo, Rivaldo The

1:05:41

one that missed that for us was the 2004 when

1:05:44

Greece won it that was when we should have won

1:05:46

a tournament You know, but I often

1:05:48

think sometimes, you know, Rooney Rooney got injured

1:05:50

in that tournament changed the game against Portugal

1:05:52

in the quarterfinal Broke his

1:05:55

foot 2006

1:05:57

another time we probably should have won it, you

1:05:59

know I think we was better than the Italian

1:06:01

team. Rooney got sent off in

1:06:03

2006. And

1:06:06

then 2010 and 2008, we were miles off it. So

1:06:10

then three years from 2002 to 2006, I

1:06:14

just think tournament football, it

1:06:16

wasn't written in the stars for us. And... What

1:06:20

team you guys have that? What team? And

1:06:24

I played with some of the, we've played with

1:06:26

Balax, with

1:06:28

Crespo's, the great

1:06:30

foreign players, Edin Hazard's, you know, and then

1:06:32

I look at the players like Frank, Steven

1:06:35

Gerrard, Wayne Rooney, Ashley

1:06:38

Colle, Rio Ferdinand, and I'm like, they're as good

1:06:40

as them. I know that, but it

1:06:43

wasn't written in the stars for us. And I hope,

1:06:45

I hope it could be doing this. Do you think

1:06:47

it was, that

1:06:50

question of both playing together, do

1:06:52

you think, because obviously

1:06:55

they have to find a way to fit both of

1:06:57

them together. Do you think that

1:06:59

actually was one of the problem that, if

1:07:02

a manager came in and said, listen, I'm

1:07:05

gonna go with TVG, and you Frank, you

1:07:08

have to sit down. Or

1:07:10

I'm gonna go with Frank and use TVG, you have to sit down.

1:07:12

No manager came in and made

1:07:14

that ball decision. Do you think that's something

1:07:17

that cost, that cost the English

1:07:19

English English English English, because that was the problem then? And

1:07:23

as well, you had a David Beckham who was on the slide

1:07:25

as well. And

1:07:27

a Michael Owen who wasn't a Michael

1:07:29

Owen before. Scolese retired early. Yeah, yeah.

1:07:32

Because he was upset. He wanted to

1:07:34

be in that midfield position. Exactly, exactly.

1:07:36

So we did need somebody with a

1:07:39

little bit of tactical nous. City

1:07:42

things, Michael Carrick's one of the

1:07:44

best midfielders I've played with. He played 16 times

1:07:46

for England in like 16 years or

1:07:49

something stupid. No manager's thought

1:07:51

to themselves, we'll put Michael in there next

1:07:53

to Frank or Stevie. You know

1:07:55

what I mean? And then we'll go for free

1:07:57

and then we'll maybe drop David.

1:08:00

Beckham or we drop Scholes because he can't fit

1:08:02

in there and then we'll bring him on after

1:08:04

60-70 minutes in his right position So

1:08:06

you're right tactically but tactically and

1:08:09

again, I love Sven. Well, you'd love

1:08:11

to play for Sven He's a manager. He's a

1:08:13

player's manager Sven

1:08:19

does like a night out He does like

1:08:21

a night out I

1:08:24

do like Sven as you know, I really

1:08:26

admire him What

1:08:30

a very good human being and a

1:08:32

very good football manager But I just

1:08:34

think we needed someone

1:08:36

who was bright a little bit

1:08:39

braver to drop Certain players.

1:08:41

Yeah and play the right Yeah balance of

1:08:43

a team and we talked about that but

1:08:45

all of us England players and

1:08:48

we we all agree with it But

1:08:51

none of us should and which which one was

1:08:53

gonna go? Yeah, they all agree with it Chelsea

1:09:01

fan here's a bit of a kind of Okay,

1:09:03

I'm saying a bit of a

1:09:05

kind of strange question, but as a

1:09:07

Chelsea Angel 2003

1:09:10

to 2010 who's the signing the

1:09:12

club made that you're seeing your

1:09:14

mates Yes, please I'm having

1:09:16

this and then maybe he didn't quite get

1:09:19

the heights that you were excited for my

1:09:22

beach on And

1:09:24

you know what this this this guy and

1:09:26

I know the reason why because With

1:09:29

chef Chenko when we find

1:09:31

sheva it was just he was

1:09:33

29 and now I was 2425

1:09:36

whatever it was, but he's he had

1:09:38

a bad hip we signed him and he just couldn't

1:09:40

be the chef Chenko would seen Playing

1:09:43

the Champions League, you know And it was a shame

1:09:45

because he was such a good guy and he trained

1:09:47

so hard and he tried to get To

1:09:49

the level that he had been but he's body.

1:09:52

Yeah, his body Wasn't there and

1:09:54

I think that was one of the reasons why

1:09:56

you know, he was such

1:09:58

a big superstar to come play for

1:10:00

us, Ballon d'Or winner, European

1:10:03

Football Year and

1:10:05

we were such a settled team

1:10:07

then already but we had to find the place for

1:10:09

him and he wasn't quite as

1:10:11

good as... Do you know the player... he

1:10:15

was one of the best strikers in the

1:10:17

world in his time but when he comes

1:10:19

to Chelsea I've spoke to Shever about it

1:10:21

since, you know, he was just on the wane

1:10:24

slightly and it was a shame but I'll tell

1:10:26

you one thing, the Chelsea fans

1:10:28

always recognised someone who's given their all

1:10:31

and they'd always stood by him, you

1:10:33

know, he's always welcomed back because he

1:10:35

wasn't a prima donna, he

1:10:38

tried everything, he just... yeah, unfortunately we got

1:10:40

him at the wrong time of his career.

1:10:42

Five years before, it blitzed

1:10:44

the Premier League. Well you did blitz

1:10:46

the Premier League, John, the fact that

1:10:48

you two played together, I mean find

1:10:50

a word for you, John, it is

1:10:52

ZZU alongside you, that was the nickname

1:10:54

you gave him, it is ZZU. It

1:10:56

was a great playing with his son.

1:10:59

Amazing, amazing, great playing with him, I

1:11:01

mean, Joe was, you

1:11:04

know, he was fantastic for the club, like

1:11:07

you said, a guy who supported the

1:11:09

club as a young show and

1:11:11

obviously to see someone who's a young show

1:11:13

to achieve his dream of playing for a

1:11:16

club like Chelsea and

1:11:18

representing the club for a very long time.

1:11:20

For me, you know, some of the stories

1:11:22

he's told today I never knew about him,

1:11:25

that he was a Chelsea fan growing up and

1:11:27

the ball boy and all that. So

1:11:30

it's nice to see that, you know, your

1:11:32

dreams came true and now I'm so

1:11:36

pleased to have shared the dressing room with Joe,

1:11:39

you know, we... I know. He was

1:11:41

our ZZU, you know, sometimes

1:11:43

a bit too much with the ball but yeah,

1:11:45

we need it, he's like, Joe, we need the

1:11:48

ball, we need the ball, get off him. But,

1:11:52

you know, he's dead, he's doing his flips and all that,

1:11:54

he's flicks and all that and then Joe ZZU is going

1:11:56

to be like, ah, I need to get him off now.

1:11:59

But no, for the... Fantastic guy, but a

1:12:01

lovely apart from that a lovely lovely

1:12:03

guy human being The

1:12:05

human being fantastic fantastic human being

1:12:09

Great having you on the podcast. Good luck

1:12:11

with your future endeavors I know you're keeping

1:12:13

busy and then you're coming back to London

1:12:15

in the next couple of days I'm coming

1:12:17

back to London tomorrow I'll be

1:12:19

at Stanford Bridge working for the Fulham

1:12:21

game at the weekend, which is the

1:12:23

tough one Okay, and I've thoroughly enjoyed

1:12:26

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1:12:29

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1:12:31

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1:12:33

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