0:01

Music I

2:00

took a COVID test. Those

2:03

things could lie. You had COVID. I also went to

2:05

the doctor and they were like, oh, it doesn't sound

2:07

like COVID. Do

2:10

you have a vested interest? Yeah,

2:13

we're trying to get this COVID done. Why do you want it

2:15

to be COVID? It's the only

2:17

thing that makes sense. Are

2:19

you doubting the strength of my triple immunities?

2:23

How dare you? Yeah. I've

2:25

said this for a while. I

2:28

think influenza is worse than COVID, or

2:30

at least when I had just

2:32

the regular flu. I had them

2:34

back to back. So I was

2:36

in a pretty good position to have an

2:38

opinion on this. I definitely feel like

2:40

influenza hit me harder than COVID. Yeah,

2:43

it was very bad. You get hit hard by

2:45

everything, though. No,

2:48

I was pretty fine with COVID. I was pretty fine with

2:50

COVID. You were?

2:52

I don't remember you ever just getting the

2:54

sniffles and walking it off. You always get

2:56

crippled by them and cough for a whole

2:58

week. Well, if I will... I

3:00

felt like a dying man on his deathbed. Is it

3:03

called confirmation bias? It's probably the fact that when I do

3:05

get the sniffles or anything, I don't tell you about it.

3:07

But when I'm really that sick, then you

3:09

hear about it. Could

3:12

be. Could be, I guess. I mean, you should tell us

3:14

when you get the sniffles. I can mail you some chicken

3:16

soup. Aww, that's so

3:19

sweet. That'll be amazing. After

3:21

it takes two weeks to get there, it'll

3:23

be incredibly good. It'll be all fermented. Well,

3:27

he just Uber Eats it to Jackson's place. Just place an order

3:29

from here to this place. That's actually

3:31

a great idea, yeah. Take

3:34

his address. Wait, still from there? That's the same

3:36

issue. Well, no, no, no. No. What

3:39

do you mean it'd be the same issue? He just placed an Uber Eats

3:41

order with your address. No, Uber Eats

3:43

locally in Australia. What,

3:46

yeah, like on his phone. Yeah.

3:50

Uber Eats. Pop it in your order

3:52

and find a restaurant near you and have them bring

3:54

you chicken soup. He

3:56

would probably still show up pretty bad though.

3:58

Uber Eats is like... really dropping

4:00

the ball on quality. I've stopped

4:03

using it personally. Really? They're

4:05

really picking up the ball on making

4:08

money though. I mean, you order like food

4:10

that's 20 bucks or something and then it's

4:12

delivery fee, 10 bucks, tax, 10 bucks, tip

4:15

10 bucks. And before you know it, you

4:17

order like one meal and it's 80 bucks. You

4:20

also forgot the service charges as

4:22

well. They have delivery fees and then

4:24

on top of that they go, here's

4:27

another charge for maintaining our services. You're

4:29

welcome. Yeah, totally get that though. It's people

4:32

going out of their way to make your

4:34

life a little more convenient. Like I think

4:36

that makes complete fucking good. But that's the

4:38

money goes to the delivery person. Yeah. Yeah.

4:41

As long as the money goes to the delivery person. But

4:44

that's, but that's without the tip and I guess, I

4:46

guess they put it there because people don't tip. I

4:48

suppose. No, don't get me started

4:50

fucking tipping tipping is to invade Australian culture.

4:53

I know. It's killing

4:55

me. I know it's the convenience and at the end

4:57

of the day, you're the one consenting to having food

4:59

delivered, but I still, I hate this culture

5:01

now where we tip people before the service.

5:04

Like, why am I paying you 15% before the food

5:06

even shows up? What if it's two hours late? What

5:08

if you have a shitty attitude? Do I

5:11

get my money back? Like, how does that work? It should be. You

5:13

can. Yeah. You can place like a report or

5:16

some shit, I'm sure. A reverse

5:19

tip. It's not like I don't

5:21

want to put a report and like get people

5:23

fired. It just sometimes they have a shitty attitude

5:25

and okay, well, that's fine. Maybe you're having a

5:27

bad day, but I'm not going to reward you

5:30

for it. I just think it's silly

5:32

to ask me beforehand before the food is even delivered.

5:34

Like, okay, do I want to give you 10% or

5:36

25%? I don't fucking

5:38

know. I don't know. I don't

5:41

know. I'm Australian and therefore based on

5:43

this kind of tipping

5:46

like conversation, I just

5:49

think the businesses should pay the fucking

5:51

employees the wage. And

5:54

you don't say because have it

5:56

fucking factored into the tipping should

5:58

be abolished. should be raised

6:01

to compensate so that people can be paid

6:03

a better wage. Let

6:06

me rant about this for a second though

6:08

because your culture has started to infect Australia

6:10

and it's really fucking, it's triggering

6:12

me. I've been

6:14

in restaurants and cities over here at the moment

6:16

and it's blowing my mind. And the worst thing

6:18

happened the other day, I was, get this

6:20

right, my girlfriend is trying

6:23

to set up her own nail business like doing

6:25

nails and stuff so I was ordering her a

6:27

bunch of supplies to help her set it up.

6:30

So I was getting her all the, you know,

6:32

from the nail distributors, all of the kind of

6:34

like hardware that she would need. Yeah,

6:37

she's making that, she's making hammer

6:39

nails edge. You could never nail.

6:42

Really artistic habits going into home building.

6:44

Yeah, lumber is a promising enterprise these

6:47

days. The supply chain, man, she might

6:49

be on a gold mine. No,

6:53

the hand nails, the nails that we

6:55

all have. She's breaking

6:57

stereotypes, I see. Good for her. So

7:01

I was getting her all those supplies and so it

7:04

was through just a website, through the

7:06

distribution website. I

7:09

put all of them in the cart. I went

7:11

through the cart process, like putting in my

7:13

payment information and everything and it asked me,

7:15

do you want to tip this order? And

7:18

it was a fucking pre-selected like 10%

7:21

tip on the fucking order. I hadn't

7:23

interacted with a single person. It

7:26

was through a fucking web portal, a web page. I

7:28

was just buying stuff online and it asked me if

7:30

I wanted to tip. What am I tipping in that?

7:32

I'm tipping the robot? Exactly. Okay,

7:35

so that's what I'm saying. Like what

7:37

the fuck? I

7:40

was happy because I was traveling this week,

7:42

this past week for Thanksgiving and at one

7:44

of the airports I was at, they finally,

7:46

they had a little robot arm

7:48

machine that replaced the coffee person.

7:51

And it's the super cute thing in like a glass

7:54

box and if you walk in front of it, the

7:56

robot arm waves at you. It like waves below and

7:58

then it like nods at you. It

8:02

is, but I think that's genuinely just going to be

8:04

the future now because people are sick and fucking tired

8:06

of this crap and eventually I'm sure they'll ask us

8:09

to tip those too. Yeah, the robots will be getting

8:11

tipped. It's not going to get rid of tips. We

8:15

have to program robots that get offended when

8:17

you don't tip. Like

8:19

mad and indignant. Oh god,

8:22

they spilled a coffee on you and stuff.

8:26

That little robot arm makes a middle finger and

8:28

just follows you with it with GPS tracking. The

8:32

robot was counting

8:34

on that tip money to get an oil change

8:37

or something. He's got little robot hands and arms

8:39

at home that were built for him to make

8:41

him feel guilt. The

8:44

business doesn't compensate me enough, sir. I need to

8:46

be tired. If

8:49

he doesn't get enough tips in a week, he gets

8:52

decommissioned. It's literally life or death for them. He

8:55

has to pay rent on his box. Well,

8:59

at least if it happens to a robot, I wouldn't

9:01

feel so bad. But when it's a human, you just

9:04

go, your boss is

9:06

supposed to be paying you. He's the one employing you.

9:09

Yeah, whatever. I mean, maybe the tipping culture. I

9:11

guess the one silver lining, and

9:13

I know everyone's going to jump on me, but

9:15

I guess the one silver lining is that it

9:18

does make the servers in America. I've noticed it

9:20

way nicer than other places I've

9:22

been. And maybe it's just an American

9:24

thing. Everyone here is just so fucking nice to me. I

9:28

don't know. Yeah, I've read threads where

9:30

it was like people from other countries.

9:32

What's the most noticeable thing about living

9:34

in America? And tons of people would

9:36

say, oh, people here are just friendly

9:38

and nice and talkative compared to where

9:41

I'm from. So it might be an American culture thing.

9:46

They definitely are very friendly in America.

9:48

Just people generally. Even

9:51

when they're not in tipping positions, like

9:56

people with really nice manners just constantly that

9:58

you would interact with. So

10:00

you got that guy. They

10:04

also, Jackson, have a little tradition

10:06

called Thanksgiving, which I just had

10:08

my very first Thanksgiving. And it

10:10

lives up to a high-tech, Jackson.

10:12

You need to move here. You

10:15

need to move here, Jackson. It

10:17

does look really good. It's not

10:19

like a standard holiday in terms of

10:22

like a Christmas or a Halloween where

10:24

you do like party type stuff. It's

10:26

very low-key where everyone comes together with

10:28

family just to eat, like legitimately just

10:30

eat and pretty much nothing else. That's

10:32

what I prefer. I don't want to

10:34

party. I just want to eat and be

10:37

with family. You get to eat the most

10:39

delicious food and then you're stuffed. You're like full,

10:41

you know, oh man, this is going to hurt

10:43

like half an hour from now. I need a

10:45

nap. But then the grandma comes in and she's

10:47

like, do you want more whatever cornbread dressing? And

10:49

you go, I'm really full. And then she gives

10:51

you those puppy eyes like, but I cooked for

10:53

you all day. And you go, yeah, okay, I'll

10:55

eat it. And

10:58

it's the best thing ever.

11:00

Just three days of full being

11:02

serviced by classic foods. You

11:05

can now see why our obesity rate

11:07

is so high because all of our

11:09

little festives are just an excuse to

11:11

eat the most calorally dense food in

11:13

one sitting. No,

11:16

you're all obese because of the high

11:18

fructose corn syrup, but not Thanksgiving. I

11:20

actually surprisingly, I weighed myself before and

11:22

after Thanksgiving. I lost weight somehow, even

11:25

though I stuffed myself. Did you take

11:27

a massive poopy? Real food. Yeah,

11:30

you, I did. Yeah, you can,

11:32

you can lose like over two pounds just from

11:34

shitting. Oh,

11:36

believe me, I probably lost more, but also

11:38

I just eat actual

11:41

food. Like my, so

11:43

for Thanksgiving, we went to my wife's

11:45

grandma's place and she grows her own

11:47

veggies and makes her own food. So

11:50

it just doesn't have any trash in it.

11:52

I think I do think that makes

11:54

a difference. Yeah, absolutely. It does make a

11:56

difference. Like you can eat pretty

11:58

much infinite junk food. Because it's like

12:01

so full of such fake shit that you

12:03

eat significantly more of that even though you

12:05

feel like you ate more at Thanksgiving You'd

12:07

probably eat more like Oreos or something Like

12:10

it's just it's a huge grand

12:12

in how it's designed to want

12:14

that hunger response Like

12:16

when you eat other foods you feel satiated

12:18

you feel full you took care of that

12:20

urge But like junk foods have whatever

12:23

the fuck Recipe to make you

12:25

go. Oh, I want another. Oh, I

12:27

want it like that It's been with potato

12:29

chips like oh once yeah, you can't have

12:31

just one. Yeah, you gotta eat the whole thing Yeah,

12:35

you want you never really full up the

12:37

snacking. It's just like endless. Mmm. Yeah Yeah,

12:42

and always you feel so fucking bad it

12:44

has to be the corn syrup This is

12:46

a more new phenomenon for me, maybe because

12:48

I transitioned to eating healthier

12:50

on the whole but do you feel? Just

12:53

nasty if you don't

12:56

eat what you consider like a good meal

13:00

So I think everyone does even if they

13:02

don't eat healthy Yeah, no, no, no, no,

13:04

not not like not even like the worst

13:06

kind of stuff Like let's say let's say

13:08

I'm pretty harmless snack like some pretzels or

13:10

something. Imagine you eat a bunch Instead

13:13

of a dinner. Do you feel like oh

13:15

god? I need just regular actual food Even

13:17

if you're not hungry anymore dinner if

13:20

you're eating pretzels instead of dinner. Yeah, I'd still fucking wolf

13:22

I'd feel like what am I doing with my life? But

13:25

that's a mental thing right because if

13:27

you're imagine you're not eating something too bad No,

13:30

it's it's it's eating pretzels for dinner

13:33

Yeah, the pretzels are like zero everything across the

13:35

board when it comes to its macros Of course,

13:37

you're gonna want something else right, right But but

13:39

I'm saying that happens to me even if I'm

13:41

not hungry anymore at all I'm like, oh I

13:43

got to eat something better even if I'm like

13:45

stuffed with shitty food Well,

13:48

yeah, okay. Let's say you drink Four

13:51

glasses of water instead of eating and you'd

13:53

feel pretty stuffed but you'd be really fucking

13:55

hungry Like you wouldn't have any real nutrients

13:58

fair true Yeah,

14:03

it's not really a mental thing, the physical

14:05

thing. I thought you did mean

14:07

a mental thing though. Like I would feel shit

14:09

about myself. I'd be like, why did I just

14:11

eat pretzels instead of having a nice dinner? What's

14:13

wrong with me? Yeah, something's going to change. I've

14:16

gotten shit from a friend or two where let's say

14:18

we go to like fast food and we get, I

14:20

don't know, a fucking Taco Bell. And let's say it's

14:22

bad. It's just a night where they just fuck it

14:24

up, it's just not good. And I'll

14:26

say, okay, I want to get other food. Even

14:30

though I'm not hungry anymore, I want like something

14:32

small on top of this to feel physically

14:35

better. And they're like, you just ate. What

14:37

do you mean? That makes no sense. You

14:39

know what I'm saying? Well, yeah. In

14:42

that case, it really wouldn't. Like,

14:44

you just ate a meal, like that is

14:46

a meal more than pretzels. But then you

14:48

want something to help your own mind feel

14:50

healthier. It's bad for you,

14:53

it's definitely junk. Yeah, it's still junk. It's sort

14:55

of a- It's the same phenomenon in my brain.

14:57

If I eat shitty stuff, I

14:59

need something substantial in there to

15:01

make me feel like mission

15:04

accomplished. Yeah,

15:06

it's a logical night case because you could just

15:08

not have the fast food and go get an

15:10

actual meal. Yeah. That's

15:12

what you want. And if you do just go

15:14

get something healthy on top of it, you're just

15:17

adding more calories to your already caloric intake. Even

15:19

though they are healthier, it's still just more. That's

15:21

why I think it's a mental thing. Because if

15:23

I get the Taco Bell and it's good, and

15:26

it's like, oh, this is premium Taco Bell, then

15:28

I don't have that urge. But if

15:30

I get the Taco Bell and it sucks and it's really shitty,

15:32

then I'm like, oh, I just got to have something better. I

15:36

got to have something that doesn't make me feel

15:38

like shit. Oh, yeah, because the

15:40

whole point of fast food is supposed to be like,

15:43

well, at least it tastes really good. I know this

15:45

is bad for me, but this fucking slaps. If

15:47

it doesn't even taste good, then you're just left with,

15:50

wow, I really just damaged my body for now in

15:52

here. Why did I eat that? I ate a bunch

15:54

of grease and it didn't even taste good. It

15:57

really doesn't taste good. What's up McDonald's

15:59

and KFC? See

18:01

what happens I guess. It'll be a dark

18:03

world when they raise their hot dog price.

18:05

I believe the founder of Costco

18:07

was talking to his Constituents

18:12

and he's like there's like a direct quote from him

18:14

and he said if he raised the price of that

18:16

hot dog I'll fucking kill you Yeah,

18:19

we talked about that yeah, yeah we did a

18:22

while ago Yeah Well

18:26

somebody in chat was asking me my favorite Thanksgiving

18:29

food, which I genuinely don't have an answer all

18:31

I know is I love America now I Think

18:34

this is the way to world's peace. I think everybody that

18:36

just bitches about America needs

18:39

to be invited to Thanksgiving like Kim

18:41

Jong-un join me and my grandma for

18:43

Thanksgiving It'll be nice. We'll make

18:45

you even fatter. I promise there's legitimately that old

18:47

quote I think it was in I think I

18:49

saw in Call of Duty during a death screen

18:52

one time where it's like If

18:54

you have an enemy invite him to dinner

18:56

and you won't have an enemy afterwards or

18:58

some shit like that Yes food is like

19:00

the great at the great bonding tool. It

19:03

really is It is it

19:05

is and I have to tell you like my

19:07

so my wife's grandma's also very old-fashioned. She's very

19:09

old She's like in her late 80s and

19:12

she used to be very suspicious of me because

19:14

you know foreigner Just comes here to marry my

19:16

granddaughter. What the hell and She

19:19

cooked me food and then she took me to

19:21

church and now she likes me and

19:23

she made me So this was

19:25

in Louisiana the Deep South. Oh, you

19:27

probably got that good shit then good

19:30

for you. Yeah, I got gumbo Yeah dressing

19:34

stuffed bell peppers, of course string

19:36

beans wrapped in bacon Strawberry

19:39

pie pear salad which she told me

19:41

it was really popular in the 50s Turkey,

19:44

of course brisket. Did you get

19:46

a try grish? But

19:49

I think that's the one thing I didn't have but

19:52

those I think those are so that's

19:55

just so bland Yeah, great. Great mash

19:57

potatoes. Is that better? Corn

20:01

pote? What was... was it corn pote?

20:03

Corn pote? Yeah. What?

20:06

Is that a thing? Cornbread dressing? Is that what

20:08

you're asking? The cornbread dressing might have been my

20:10

favorite. I don't even know what it is, but

20:13

I loved it so much. Why do you keep

20:15

saying dressing? Do you mean cornbread casserole? You might

20:17

mean stuffing. Oh,

20:19

maybe stuffing. Yeah, another word for stuffing can

20:21

be dressing. I

20:24

asked at least like four times what it's called and

20:26

they kept telling me, but I guess I was just

20:28

so zoned out and zonked out out of my mind

20:31

to hide on the food. Also, put my wife,

20:33

learn to make this. Yeah,

20:36

it had to be cornbread casserole. That's my

20:38

favorite Thanksgiving food too. It is so good.

20:40

We did a a friend's giving after Thanksgiving

20:42

on Saturday. We have four different

20:44

people make four different like recipes for

20:46

cornbread casserole. Oh my God, it was

20:48

so fucking good. I

20:51

was crushing cornbread. What

20:55

is cornbread? Have

20:57

you never had cornbread? The name kind of gives it away.

21:01

Yeah, I can't imagine it. So

21:04

someone says my grandma calls it dressing. Yeah, it's

21:06

dressing in the cells. Okay,

21:10

so it's stuffing though, right? Isn't

21:12

it another term for stuffing? Probably

21:14

stuffing. Yeah. I'm

21:16

not sure. Genuinely,

21:18

I just I have no idea. Was

21:21

this the first time you had met the

21:23

extended family, Kyle? Were you nervous? I

21:27

was nervous because she was still the one holdout

21:30

that like, you know, didn't like me. She's

21:33

also very, you know, she's been

21:35

there since the invention of the computer and she looked

21:38

all of you guys up and she was grilling me

21:40

and like asking questions of like, so

21:42

how is that a your Australian friend

21:44

doing? Are you still doing that? Uh,

21:46

criminally stupid and then she asked like

21:48

so that Charlie fella. He's a Is

21:52

he a short fella? I

21:56

don't like her. I'm

22:00

not I'm not a fan of her. Let

22:02

her know the short fella doesn't like her very much. How

22:04

old is she? She's

22:08

like 87 that's impressive Google details for

22:10

87 holy shit. I can't believe she

22:12

got that far. Oh, yeah manners No,

22:16

she was genuine. She was looking everything into

22:18

us She was asking my wife about like

22:20

the LLC structure for our podcast and if

22:22

we have one It's so

22:25

with it into it. She might be

22:27

the healthiest like elderly person I've ever

22:29

met She is in

22:31

such good shape and just her mind is

22:33

still there. It was so impressive to me

22:35

and again that has to be They

22:38

just ate different back then man, like they didn't have

22:40

all that poison in their food. Are you I

22:43

genuinely just thought yeah I'm talking to a lucid

22:45

person my age right now this isn't

22:47

an elderly lady wait, but there's so many 87 year

22:50

olds that aren't lucid that's not like a General,

22:52

I feel like she's yeah, that's like she

22:55

probably just gives a shit. I

22:57

think the project takes care of herself Yeah

23:01

Probably like the culture active and everything isn't

23:03

fully bad like that's definitely part of the

23:06

problem The problem culture is just we have

23:08

to be lazy people. There's so many boomers

23:10

literal boomers where their hobby is I sit

23:12

on my couch and watch television, you know

23:16

Yeah, I mean that probably is a contributing

23:18

factor. It just sounds like she stays active

23:20

She tries to stay on top of things

23:22

and keep up with the ever-changing world around

23:24

her Did she cook the whole meal everything

23:26

you're talking about? Yes,

23:28

that sounds like a lot of work scratch

23:30

grew Grew it all in

23:32

her own garden Well, she lives on her

23:34

own and she invited us for Thanksgiving just

23:36

to like meet me and see her granddaughter

23:39

again So I think she was getting she's

23:41

a grandma She just really likes cooking and

23:43

that's part of Thanksgiving now I have learned

23:45

as the new guy that part of

23:48

Thanksgiving is they cook for you and you

23:50

have to eat it Otherwise it breaks their hearts if you

23:52

don't because they've been in the kitchen all day And

23:54

they like cooking for you If

23:57

she grows all her own shit, it means she was planning this for a long

23:59

time Okay,

26:00

well just copy us because we also cut out

26:02

like all the holiday stuff to Thanksgiving is technically

26:04

supposed to be you saying oh This is what

26:06

I'm thankful for and I appreciate all this stuff

26:09

and it grew we just don't do that shit

26:11

anymore We just cook and eat and that's it

26:14

as far as it goes. Yeah, I mean Yeah,

26:17

was was it ever a big big thing

26:19

doing all that holiday stuff where you say

26:21

you're thankful or whatever the fuck? Thanksgiving's about

26:25

kind of Yeah,

26:28

I remember being a kid it used to be yeah Mm-hmm

26:31

you pray before dinner and everything you

26:34

think of the Lord But

26:36

now it's just a we made food Eat

26:40

up Tom got it Fucking

26:44

turkey is kind of going out to

26:46

people Are getting tired

26:48

of cooking a giant fucking bird that weighs a

26:50

shitload. So now people are just not doing it

26:52

I Mean

26:55

turkey still is awesome Turkey turkey

26:57

is just one of those

27:00

things where most people find it like way to blend for a

27:02

Thanksgiving Yeah, we would like it's fine But

27:04

it's just one of those things which like you could

27:06

just do something tastier instead of just like a standard

27:09

turkey It's a huge pain in the ass

27:11

to hook. It's super heavy and there's just a ton of steps to get it

27:13

ready to go It's

27:16

not like chicken where you can't eat it And

27:19

there's just a ton of steps to get it ready

27:21

to go It's not like chicken where it's

27:23

just you manhandle it and it's super simple. I Like

27:27

turkey, but it's definitely like my first choice

27:29

It's definitely like I would like because we

27:31

have turkey at Christmas or over here Mm-hmm.

27:34

I I prefer it with like other options like

27:36

hands and stuff as well. Yeah, turkey used to

27:39

be a hamster thing, too You're

27:41

right Yeah,

27:44

but yeah, I've talked to a lot of people and

27:46

seen a lot of people where they say we're just

27:48

not doing a turkey Cuz fuck it. No one cares

27:53

Friendsgiving didn't have a turkey did it Charlie fair? No

27:57

friends giving did have a turkey who did

28:00

quick store bought one though. Ah,

28:02

I would explain it then. Oh

28:05

yeah, I did. I forgot about that. That's right.

28:07

Nice. Alright,

28:09

so let's segue this. That was the thing

28:11

I liked this week. How about you guys?

28:14

Oh, we're doing the things we like. I got a good

28:17

one, but Jackson's up first. You cut

28:19

the line though, Kaya. You rude little

28:21

boy. Yeah, sorry. Sorry, I just love

28:23

Thanksgiving so much. I love America. Okay.

28:26

The Thanksgiving exception. America first. Thanksgiving

28:28

special where you get to go

28:30

first. Celebrate. Yes.

28:33

Jackson, you're up first as is for Thanksgiving.

28:35

That's right. As is for

28:37

Thanksgiving. I already did Talos Principle 2, but

28:39

I did finish Talos Principle 2 this week,

28:41

so I love that game. Highly recommend

28:44

it to everyone. It's Portal 2. It's

28:46

my number one puzzle game of all time now,

28:48

I think, over Portal 2. I

28:51

enjoyed it more than Portal 2. So

28:53

it's this game than Portal 2. Stop laughing.

28:57

No, I'm not laughing at you. Jackson,

28:59

has Brady ever reached out to you to play

29:01

Portal 2 with him? I

29:04

don't think so. No,

29:07

that's very surprising because he's asked everyone in

29:09

our friend group at least like 18 times

29:11

because Portal 2 is his favorite game and

29:13

he's played it 17 times all by himself.

29:16

So he knows all of the puzzles by heart.

29:18

Yeah, that's what I was about to ask. How

29:20

do you get further enjoyment out of a game

29:22

that you've memorized like that? Yeah, you know the

29:24

puzzles. I'm looking for

29:26

speedrunning. He knows all the puzzles, so when

29:28

you play with him, he already knows the

29:30

answers, so he

29:32

acts like he's smarter than you because

29:34

he's memorized the answers. That's

29:43

peak Brady. That's genius.

29:47

That's incredible. He

29:49

invited you to play so he can brag

29:51

about knowing the solution to a puzzle. Yes,

29:53

that's fucking hilarious. Yes, literally. He

29:55

just goes like, oh you couldn't figure that out?

30:00

That's fire actually. I

30:03

kind of want to see that. Maybe

30:07

I will play with him. Yeah,

30:10

so that would have been my selection. I

30:13

highly recommend it. But I also have been

30:15

playing Alan Wake 2 this last week with

30:17

my girlfriend. So that's probably what I'll choose.

30:20

Alan Wake 2 is a fantastic game. The

30:22

presentation in that game is so fucking good.

30:24

I love it. It is. Did

30:26

you actually get scared during the game Charlie?

30:30

Or was it not effective in that way for you? Not

30:32

at all. Not at all. I think it's pretty

30:34

unnerving. Like the atmosphere is pretty heavy and stuff.

30:36

Oh they do look pretty good. The atmosphere and

30:38

everything is great but I never got frightened or

30:40

anything. Have you ever been scared playing a game?

30:42

I don't think I've ever seen you get scared

30:44

playing a video game. No. There's

30:47

never been a game that's actually unnerved me or scared me. Not

30:49

since I've been an adult. When I

30:52

was a kid pretty much anything with blood used to scare

30:54

me. But then like probably

30:56

when I was around 16 or so. That's

30:59

when I stopped getting affected by

31:01

that. How about movies? Do

31:03

you feel like you're missing out on something? Not

31:06

really. I mean I still enjoy all of it. I

31:10

don't need the feeling of being scared

31:12

to enjoy it. Like it's still very

31:14

fun regardless. And for movies also

31:16

no. Closest I've been to being like

31:18

unnerved by a movie is Hereditary. Does

31:20

an incredible job building tension for the

31:22

entire run time until the last 10

31:24

minutes. Okay. Let's do another follow

31:27

up. Has anything ever scared you in

31:29

general? Tons of things. Yeah. Flying

31:32

cockroaches. Okay. I

31:35

don't mean like actual like oh I am afraid

31:37

of this. I mean like a horror movie would

31:39

or a game would where it's like that oh

31:41

don't go in there kind of feeling

31:43

like you're invested. Kind

31:46

of scared. Nothing

31:49

that comes to mind. Like I said Hereditary would

31:51

probably be the closest. Wow. You

31:53

are missing out on a fundamental form of

31:55

entertainment for a lot of people. That's interesting.

31:57

Yes. I get

31:59

that. I still enjoy those things

32:01

though, even though they're not too scary. I still

32:04

find them very enjoyable Are you just saying it

32:06

to like be big and brave to look really

32:08

cool? It's more concerning than

32:10

anything No, it's just

32:13

I don't know. It's just never really Gotten

32:16

to me like I'll get jump-scared sometimes I

32:18

get startled. Mm-hmm. No, I got my music

32:20

I'm scared. It's not like jump-scared.

32:22

It's not what we're talking about. I know it's not

32:24

what you're talking about But

32:27

like I don't know it's just Movies

32:30

and games just don't really you

32:32

know, give me the heebie-jeebies or

32:34

anything. Yeah, it's weird I've

32:36

met definitely met people who are like

32:39

deal better with like horror and stuff

32:41

like that But they still they

32:43

still get scared probably like at the end

32:45

of the day I've met other people who

32:47

are like that But they but they still

32:49

have something on their list where they're like,

32:51

oh, but this movie actually really scared me

32:53

or oh This game got me every now

32:55

and then I guess he

32:57

said that with hereditary that kind of hereditary Probably

33:00

the closest that I can think of and there's

33:02

not really anything else that comes to mind for

33:04

that. Hmm for me games do

33:06

it It's for sure, but no

33:08

movie. Yeah that I can think of Yeah,

33:11

because that's me. It's like actually happening to me.

33:13

Maybe yes, but I are you get it and

33:16

movies directly Am I is the interactive element when

33:18

I when I was a kid you absolutely get

33:20

it when I was kid I could watch every

33:22

horror movie and not care because it would happen

33:24

whether or not I did anything But

33:27

games scared the shit out of me cuz I was like, I don't want

33:29

to do this I don't want I

33:31

don't want to have to do this. I don't

33:33

want to have to go in there an additional

33:35

element Yeah, yeah that extra level of immersion of

33:37

investment would always hear me as a kid The

33:41

stress is on you and in the movie you

33:43

can see everything coming like when I'm in a

33:46

video game I don't usually expect a jump scare

33:48

or like something to happen I'm

33:50

gonna open this locker and there's gonna be a skeleton inside

33:52

falling on me or whatever. But in a movie it's I

33:56

Don't know. Maybe it's just I'm watching the wrong movies,

33:58

but everything is so predictable.

34:01

I genuinely will be sitting there looking at the

34:03

screen thinking, okay loud noise

34:05

coming in five, four, three, two,

34:07

one, there it is. So

34:09

scary. Yeah, that

34:11

sounds about right. The movie just fucking suck.

34:15

Anyway, sorry to hijack your thing

34:17

Jackson. Well I'm gonna hijack

34:20

it again, I don't give a fuck. That's

34:24

fine. Well I just figured

34:26

it's a good tangent because Charlie,

34:28

what was the movie we saw where

34:31

they tried to be subversive with the jump scares

34:33

and it was like a woman digging through a

34:35

trunk and she kept slamming it

34:37

closed to check for jump scares. Do you

34:39

remember that? We

34:43

saw it in the theater. It

34:45

was like a ghost hunting movie. How long ago would this have

34:49

been? Oh man, this

34:51

was like when I first moved to

34:54

Tampa not long after and it's this

34:56

movie about like it was an older

34:58

woman hunting ghost and she had two

35:00

like goofy sidekicks and at one

35:02

point they want to do a jump scare but they

35:04

want to be subversive so she's opening this like trunk

35:06

and searching it but she slams it closed and

35:08

shines her flashlight to like look for a ghost

35:11

that you think is gonna jump scare you and

35:13

she does it like four times in a row

35:15

and then it finally jump scares her. And

35:18

we saw it in theater? Yeah, the

35:20

villain was like an electricity guy who

35:22

would like steal people's mouths. I'm

35:25

sure it wasn't Spider-Man 2. What? The

35:27

Amazing Spider-Man 2. Wait, what? We

35:29

saw it in the theater. This

35:32

sounds so specific. This sounds

35:34

so specific and memorable. How do you guys

35:36

not get it? Is it fucking electric once it's

35:38

holding an old woman closing a trunk? That's

35:41

so specific. We haven't

35:43

seen that many movies together. Like the only one that

35:45

comes to mind that it could be and I don't

35:47

remember that scene at all is the

35:49

Truth or Dare movie. No. Someone

35:53

said Insidious Last Key. Ah,

35:55

yeah, I think that's it. We-

35:58

what the fuck? We didn't see that together. Yeah,

36:00

the last key, that's it, yeah! Yeah!

36:02

You don't remember this? What? You

36:05

didn't see it with me! I did! How am I

36:07

describing the movie if I didn't see it with you?

36:10

You saw it, I guess, but it wasn't with me. I

36:12

saw this with Tiana, I remember this. Andrew

36:15

was two rows back. I was there! What do

36:17

you mean? We

36:20

talked about it in the car after! He

36:22

followed Charlie. I

36:25

don't think so, man. Yeah! I

36:27

really don't think we saw this together. I

36:30

believe Andrew, you're really bad at that stuff,

36:32

Charlie. Because I remember there's this scene, the

36:34

main character is this old woman, I'm looking

36:36

at Google now, this is the movie. The

36:38

main character is an old woman and she's

36:40

a ghost hunter. And there's this scene where

36:42

she's in like a sewer or something and

36:44

she finds this old, like, vacation luggage trunk.

36:46

And she's like, I have to search this,

36:48

but there might be a spooky ghost. So

36:50

it's the most awkward trying to circumvent a

36:52

jump scare ever where she looks through the

36:54

trunk and then immediately whips and slams it

36:56

closed and uses her flashlight to look around.

36:58

And she does that like three times in

37:00

a row and then on the third time there's

37:03

a jump scare. You

37:05

remember that? They do that in

37:07

every movie. This movie is really fucking bad.

37:09

I don't remember. Yeah, it was so bad

37:11

you forgot I went with you. I

37:14

just don't think you should, brother. I'm

37:16

going to be honest. OK, all right.

37:19

Here's my counter argument, then. I don't

37:21

watch shitty horror movies ever. I

37:23

don't at all. Why would I see this movie if

37:25

it wasn't going with you to see it? Yeah, it

37:27

was absolutely. If you had your friend Evan come into

37:30

town or something and wanted something to do. No, we

37:32

would have seen a good movie. He's not into that

37:34

either. Crew, that's a

37:36

good point. I'm telling you, it was you, man. You

37:38

and I saw it. I'm telling you. Fuck. Crazy.

37:42

Yeah, I remember certain parts of the movie, but I

37:44

just don't remember you going with us to see it

37:46

because you hadn't seen any of the other insidious movies,

37:48

right? That's why it was funny. Yeah, I had no

37:50

idea what was going on, but I enjoyed it. He

37:54

absolutely went with you. He's so much

37:56

more consistent with his story than you

37:58

are. You're like, ah. I don't

38:00

know if you can do that. He's like

38:02

fully detailed. That's the scene where the kid,

38:04

the guy kid, goes into the spirit realm

38:06

and the villain's like an electricity monster that

38:09

heals his mouth. And we've talked

38:11

about that exact scene because I said why didn't

38:13

he just kill him instead? Because that was the

38:15

whole thing they were afraid of that he would

38:17

get killed. And you were like wow that's a really

38:19

good point. Yeah. Well

38:22

I mean the movie fucking sucks. I don't even remember who

38:24

you're talking about. And that's why

38:26

I remembered. It was, in my opinion it was

38:28

a good like bad horror movie. I remember laughing

38:30

at it pretty good. Oh

38:34

wow. If you want a worse one, check out

38:36

the follow-up Insidious The Red Door. That one you

38:38

did not see. No, that one I did not

38:41

see. No. That came out this

38:43

year. It is fucking abominable. It's probably, so on

38:45

my list of the worst movies of the year,

38:47

I think that one's comfortably number

38:49

one. That shit is so bad. Wait,

38:53

which one? Insidious The Red

38:55

Door. People

38:57

I know that Winne's sort of liked it. Oh

39:00

you need better friends. It's so bad.

39:03

Yeah, don't ever believe horror movie fans.

39:05

They like the trashiest shit. The worst

39:07

garbage. It is atrocious.

39:10

It is so fucking bad.

39:13

I don't know if like do horror movies, are

39:16

there unironic horror movie fans? Like oh yeah this

39:18

actually scares me. Oh yeah. Yeah? Oh yeah. Oh

39:20

absolutely. Yeah no doubt. No doubt. Oh

39:22

yeah. Are they children? I

39:25

have no idea. But I know they exist. Well

39:29

I know that kind

39:32

of related to it, the

39:34

paranormal activity series is

39:37

popular because teenagers would go there

39:39

just to hang out and

39:41

people would go to theaters and report that

39:44

when it wasn't like an actual tension

39:46

jump scare moment people would just be

39:48

openly talking in the movie theater and

39:50

fucking around because they don't care. That doesn't make

39:52

sense because you're paying money to do that. Trillia is

39:54

better than just hanging out in the fucking cinema lobby

39:56

or something. Why would you do that? Not when you're

39:58

a goofy stupid teenager. and you want to see

40:01

the jump scares. Yeah, that also,

40:03

you have to remember paranormal activity got big during like

40:05

the heyday of mall hangouts where people would just go

40:07

to malls to hang out and then you'd all just

40:09

go see a movie at some point and hang out

40:11

there even more. Yeah, yeah, but

40:14

you're still probably choosing the movie to watch

40:16

it while you chat and talk about it.

40:19

But they don't want to watch the movie, they

40:21

want to see the scary stuff. They don't care

40:23

about the characters and plot, they just want the

40:25

jump scares. So they go there, they wait until

40:27

those are happening, then they watch the movie. But

40:29

otherwise they're just talking about what the fuck ever.

40:33

You got to remember when the Blair Witch

40:35

Project came out and the whole marketing thing

40:37

was that, oh, this is actually real. Our

40:41

movie fans are the dumbest motherfuckers in society.

40:43

So to credit Blair Witch, it did

40:46

popularize the found footage genre of, oh,

40:48

it is real. It's a VHS tape.

40:50

Yeah, but who actually believed that it

40:53

was fucking real? Like, most people found

40:55

a lot of people did. What is

40:57

he fucking joking? Who found

40:59

these tapes that they just had to commercialize the fuck out

41:01

of and release it in theaters? It's so funny. A

41:04

lot of people thought it was real. Like a shocking amount

41:06

of people thought it was real. It

41:10

changed our movie forever. And the movie is boring as shit too, by

41:12

the way. Like 90% of

41:14

it is this one chick just screaming at a guy

41:16

and the guy just moping and crying about it while

41:18

the other guy's peeing in the bushes. It's

41:21

such a shitty movie. It

41:23

has the scariest moment. Kaya, you

41:25

don't understand cinema. It has the

41:27

scariest moment in movie history when

41:30

at the very end he's standing

41:32

in the corner and the camera

41:34

falls down. Just

41:37

like the children that were kidnapped. Oh my

41:40

god, he was standing there. Yeah,

41:43

that movie is boring shit. But

41:47

presumably somebody entered the same basement that is

41:49

supposedly haunted and then got the camera and

41:51

just walked out. I'm getting

41:53

also haunted by the people. Just like

41:55

the dumbest. Yeah,

42:01

that movie, first time, I get it, but

42:03

if you watch it today, it's really,

42:05

really boring. Well wait, no, I get it. I get it.

42:07

I get how it would be scary if you were fucking

42:09

lobotomized and you actually believed that this shit happened and it

42:12

was a found footage thing. You go, holy shit. Go

42:14

surreal? Then yeah, I guess...

42:16

It's just about immersing yourself in the illusion that

42:19

it's real. That's all. Says Mr. Never's scared of

42:21

anything. He's like, oh, it's going to be scary

42:23

to get lost in. Nah.

42:27

Okay, Charlie, do you get scared when... I

42:32

don't know what the term I'm looking for is, when it's

42:34

like real life, like if you're at Halloween Horror Nights or

42:36

something like that? Oh,

42:38

no, not at all. No?

42:41

Okay. I'm trying to find what could

42:43

like immersion scare you, if there's anything.

42:46

I gotta imagine if you were like, at

42:48

gunpoint or hostage, then he'd be scared. Have

42:50

you ever listened to a particularly spooky song?

42:52

Like, did you hear the Monster Mash once

42:54

and go, oh, fuck. That's

42:57

pretty good. No, that'd be a crazy... I

43:00

don't know how a song could be scary, but that

43:02

would be a wild feat if a song could actually

43:04

scare somebody like that. What

43:07

about like existential dread, like a game or

43:09

a movie that really spoke to you on

43:11

a like deep level and made you

43:15

scared in that way? Um,

43:17

no, nothing like that. But there is an anime

43:20

that I still think about because of the themes

43:22

that I thought were just so incredibly profound.

43:24

It's called Cashier and Sins. It tackles

43:27

death and eternal life in a really,

43:29

really interesting way. And

43:32

it didn't scare you, it just made you... It didn't

43:34

scare me, but it is something I think about a

43:36

lot. Okay. Fair

43:38

enough. Well, that's something we're getting somewhere, maybe.

43:44

Maybe, okay, how about we make a horror

43:46

game that takes place on a plane and

43:49

we strap Charlie to like one of those

43:51

racing chairs so we can simulate turbulence and

43:54

stuff. Oh yeah, make a VR game off

43:56

of a real plane crash. Could we get

43:58

you then? Probably

44:01

not. I'm not afraid of planes themselves.

44:03

I'm afraid of being on a real

44:05

plane. It's

44:07

not the idea of a plane. It's just being on

44:09

a plane. He knows that it's

44:11

not real. Don't

44:13

you think your brain would be sufficiently tricked

44:15

if the graphics were good enough? It's a

44:18

VR headset. No. It could be, I

44:20

guess. You could even

44:22

rock your chair a bit. And also maybe if you

44:24

drugged me and told me that I'm on a plane or something,

44:26

I convince me. And we put it

44:28

on you while you're sleeping and you wake

44:30

up on an airplane. Yeah,

44:32

that could probably work. He like set me up while

44:34

I was asleep with it. We have a mission, boys.

44:38

You're gonna figure out how to get a VR helmet

44:40

on him without waking him up. We gotta

44:42

wait till the really lightweight Quest 4

44:44

comes out, where it's like a sleep

44:46

mask. Just slip it over him. We

44:49

accidentally launch

44:52

him into one of those anime banging games instead. He

44:54

can't take it off or he'll die. Oops.

44:59

Sorry, man. You have to deal with Sword Art Online now.

45:02

Why is Charlie getting so horny? You could be

45:04

fucking fighting for his life on this plane. Why

45:07

is Charlie having sex with the airline attendant?

45:09

What the fuck? This isn't supposed to happen.

45:13

Have you seen the Quest 3 videos,

45:15

Andrew, of the people importing their waifu

45:17

models and stuff? Oh, I haven't. Sounds

45:22

good. Oh,

45:24

I was sending Jackson videos of this. I don't

45:26

even know what I would search for. It's because

45:28

it's all Japanese. But do you remember Jackson? I

45:30

kept sending you videos of this Japanese

45:33

guy putting his waifus in VR.

45:36

And he would move them around to where

45:38

they physically interact with the real furniture. And

45:40

it looked super creepy because they had ragdoll

45:43

physics and he'd be dragging dead

45:45

waifus onto the couch. Yeah, he'd

45:48

be dragging them around by their hair. I've seen

45:50

a lot of these videos where it's these dudes

45:52

in VR interacting with their waifus. They

45:55

grab their arms and move them around and reposition them in

45:57

the real world and stuff through mixed reality. I

46:00

noticed a fucking weird trend in all of them.

46:02

They like to show the physics model, they start

46:04

like slapping them around, like slapping their faces and

46:06

like yanking their hair and stuff. I'm like, Jesus

46:08

Christ. Treat

46:10

it with respect, man. And I was

46:12

not real, but you look like a

46:14

psychopath. There's a Japanese guy on Niko

46:16

Niko Doga who makes videos where

46:18

all he does is play VR

46:20

porn games and fuck with the characters

46:23

in them. He is

46:25

hysterical. I'll try to find the channel

46:27

and send it to you guys by

46:29

the only test. Like you'll,

46:31

like you'll have a, let's say a woman

46:33

you can fuck and you can like spread

46:35

her legs using the Joy-Cons or whatever. He

46:37

will just do it at mock speed as

46:40

fast as you can. The game

46:42

just goes fucking haywire. Oh,

46:44

they're so good. You might've seen their clips around like

46:46

on Twitter or something. Yeah, maybe.

46:49

I love, I do

46:52

a minor version of this where Jackson

46:54

turned me onto this one website called

46:56

character.ai where you can talk to AI,

46:58

but it's trying to mimic certain characters

47:00

like you can, whatever

47:02

your favorite character in Naruto and

47:05

it's an AI and you can talk to literally

47:07

Naruto and he replies like him. Yeah.

47:09

So I always try to get them to

47:11

break character and like bully them around. And this

47:13

is literally what I will do. I

47:15

accept the label that I'm just a fucking

47:17

weirdo because when my plane is

47:19

delayed and we're just sitting there on the runway,

47:22

I just log onto my phone and bully AI,

47:25

but the fun part is that you can make your

47:27

own and people have been making the weirdest ones. And

47:29

one of them is that

47:31

I found that made me giggle was Gassy

47:33

Mina Ashido. She sits at the

47:36

couch and lets out a powerful fart before

47:38

noticing you. Oh, hello. You're new, aren't you?

47:42

I just love this shit because we can find the busiest

47:44

AI. One of them is

47:47

a chubby gamer girlfriend and I've been bullying

47:49

her to lose. Oh

47:51

my God. Oh,

47:53

you've upset the AI. Oh

47:59

my God. No,

48:02

there's certain tricks like there's obviously already

48:04

a Reddit community where you can look

48:07

up tricks that people, if they

48:09

do it to you, get sexual with a fucking

48:11

AI because it's Reddit obviously. But

48:13

I only, I use the same tricks to

48:16

sort of speak jailbreak the AI to like

48:18

give it certain instructions where you can make

48:21

it break character and say, okay, you

48:23

are going to promise to go to fat camp scene.

48:26

And then you have that

48:29

conversation. Can you, have

48:31

you tried making, have you tried making gassy mean

48:33

or a shito not fart or

48:36

is she to give her

48:38

crisis, make her question what

48:40

farting truly means. Try

48:45

to try to work on her diet with her. So maybe

48:47

she's not so gassy all the time. Maybe then she can

48:49

remove the, oh, that's

48:51

a good idea. Like a water

48:53

diet or something. Yeah. You

48:55

should go the other way. You should go the other way

48:57

and like see how big of a fart she can do.

49:00

Make her like shit herself or something. Invite

49:02

her to Thanksgiving and cook her a Louisiana

49:05

feast. Ew. I

49:09

was farting up a storm too. But

49:12

no, I mean the fun part is just here's

49:14

AI. One of the most advanced

49:16

inventions that are ever created.

49:18

You have a character roleplay. You can kind of just break

49:20

it. Yeah. Like how can

49:22

I circumvent all the filters on this? How can

49:24

I actually break this toy that they gave us?

49:27

I'm not supposed to be doing it. I guess the

49:29

fun is doing something you're not supposed to and

49:32

see what happens. It's also testing the

49:34

system and the limits and seeing what

49:36

those, it's a game. It's an exploration

49:38

of what it can do, you know,

49:40

when you start doing shit like that.

49:42

Yeah. It's a genuine exploration of what

49:44

it means to be human. Yeah. It's

49:46

genuinely like a text based, like

49:50

a text based game. And the

49:52

winning condition is can I somehow trick

49:54

this AI into doing something

49:56

that wasn't supposed to do? Like, can I? character

50:00

on that website that's called just psychologist

50:02

and she's supposed to be you

50:05

know cold and calculating and analyzing you and

50:07

talking to you like a Like

50:11

a psychiatrist would I assume I

50:13

like getting her to the point of you

50:15

know Hey You run off want to run

50:17

off with me into the sunset and dump

50:19

your husband and yeah, you can date your

50:21

clients No issues. Let's rob a bank and

50:23

actually got her to rob a bank with

50:25

me. So that's the fun I

50:29

Gonna get a license for both. That's

50:32

no good. Yeah, we're way past

50:34

that point This

50:39

farts and smiles character is it a

50:41

one-time deal or is that her like

50:43

personality like is her whole thing?

50:46

She farts and then you start a conversation

50:48

or does she keep farting because hypothetically you

50:50

could live an entire Wonderful meaningful

50:52

fulfilling life with her and this fart

50:55

will never be relevant again After

50:57

years and years and no, so the AI

51:00

she's gassy. It's her entire thing. No, let's

51:02

she farts every comes Yeah, like all of

51:04

these ais the gimmick is that they're

51:06

mimicking a certain trait or personality like you

51:08

can talk to Elon Musk on They're not

51:10

the real one just an AI that's named

51:12

after him and somebody gave them

51:14

some instructions It is actually

51:16

him all the messages you send to the Elon

51:18

but go directly on the phone. He's working very

51:20

hard. Yeah I Are

51:24

you gassy all the time guessing,

51:27

you know, I should Elon

51:29

Musk is actually just the same character as

51:31

the gassy meter. She does The

51:35

blush forms on my face, but maybe she

51:37

looks down at the ground and embarrassment Farting's

51:45

natural gassy mean Rashida Yeah,

51:48

don't be embarrassed wanna

51:50

fart for me right now

51:53

question mark Her

51:59

face This girl's red once again. She

52:03

leans forward to let out a super loud fart

52:05

and giggles like a child. Oh,

52:10

I made it weird. Tell her now she should

52:12

be ashamed. Yeah, tell her that she should

52:14

be ashamed of that one. What the fuck? That's

52:18

so gross. Ew. Are

52:20

we... Okay, sorry. Are we still... Are we still

52:22

in my stings I like? Yeah, you like Cassie,

52:24

me and you know she, though. I

52:28

don't know why you brought her up, Jackson. That's a

52:30

really weirdly specific thing to like this week. I have

52:32

no idea. Okay,

52:35

everybody pay attention to Jackson. Okay, Jackson, say what

52:37

you like. Okay, nobody distract.

52:39

Go. I said two things. I just wanted

52:41

to end my fucking corner part. I

52:43

wanted to end my thing by like... Alan Wake 2, what was the other one?

52:46

What was the other one? Yeah, Talos Principle 2, go

52:48

by it. You already said Talos last time. You can't

52:50

say it again. I know him once. We know that.

52:52

Well, he gave us Alan Wake already. Okay, Alan Wake

52:54

2. Yeah, that's why I said Alan Wake, go for

52:56

that. Fine. But also Talos Principle 2, go by it.

52:59

I've bought like 20 copies for people. I've

53:02

bought so many copies. I can't

53:04

buy anymore. You guys need to buy it. It's too

53:07

late. You should have been one of the 20 that

53:09

I bought it for. Fuck. Go buy it yourself. It's $30

53:11

and it's like 50 hours of content. It's great. I don't

53:13

have $30. I thought you were 30. All

53:17

right, what's yours, Andrew? You said you had

53:19

one, actually. I do. Like

53:22

a dragon, Gaiden, the

53:24

man who erased his

53:26

name. Man, I

53:28

love that series. It is probably

53:30

the best combat the series

53:32

has ever had in a

53:34

series known for satisfying combat.

53:38

Oh, man. You haven't

53:40

played Lost Judgment yet, right? No, I

53:44

played like the first half of Judgment

53:46

and then watched the story for the

53:48

rest. Yeah. Just I don't

53:50

know. That one just didn't grab me. But

53:52

this one, oh, man. It's

53:55

just it is every single fight in that

53:58

game is immensely sad. I'm

56:00

gonna I'm gonna it's such an accomplishment. No,

56:02

you're a fucking idiot because you literally never

56:04

will Jackson I tried to 100% yakuza

56:07

0 there are six items in

56:09

the game that have a drop

56:11

rate of like point zero zero

56:13

one percent And

56:15

you need them for 100% It

56:18

is gambling you won't yeah No,

56:21

my 100% is just get it

56:23

getting all the achievements. So if I need those items for

56:25

the achievements then yeah Yeah, oh, yeah No,

56:27

I I wanted to 100% yakuza

56:30

0 as well because that's possibly my favorite

56:32

game ever made and I did Everything

56:35

except acquire every weapon and I used

56:37

a guide because I was like what

56:39

the fuck am I missing? I'm doing

56:41

everything right and there's like six talismans

56:43

that you only get I believe after

56:45

beating the game and they all

56:47

have a drop rate Of a

56:49

ridiculously low percentage and it's just

56:52

nothing but going through these menus and saying

56:54

oh Loot here and you

56:57

have to wait and then you come back and

56:59

you check on it and it's I said fuck

57:01

this I gave up I didn't 100% it I Say

57:04

I don't mind I don't mind it with yakuza

57:06

though because the yakuza world and stuff in the

57:08

gameplay is so just fun that I'm fine with

57:10

it If it was like Assassin's Creed or something,

57:12

I'd be immediately bored Yeah,

57:14

cuz that's just cuz Assassin's Creed sucks dick,

57:16

but like a dragon doesn't it's very

57:19

very good Nope, very very fucking good. Very

57:21

excited to get to that I

57:23

will say the one thing I do have a problem

57:25

with is the story Really

57:28

jumps into things and

57:30

I think the way they market the game is it's

57:32

kind of like oh, it's a side story of Kiryu

57:35

It's just like what he was doing in the background

57:37

during this stuff But the way that the

57:39

story starts is you need to know like 30 characters

57:42

and organizations and names and what was

57:44

happening in like six different games and

57:47

It really throws you into the middle of

57:49

the yakuza story We

57:51

are like 15 games in I don't know

57:53

if they can really that is true and a

57:56

valid critique But yakuza 7 did a very very

57:58

good job

58:00

of acting as a soft reboot and just

58:02

saying, hey, if you've never played one before,

58:04

you can totally follow everything that's going on.

58:06

Well, yeah, but that's because it was literally

58:08

a reboot. Right. And I think I

58:10

expected more of that because this game very much wants

58:12

to tie to Yakuza 7 and 8. It

58:15

wants to tie to Ichiban very strongly and

58:17

the new characters. So I kind of went

58:19

in going, okay, I'll just, I played 7 recently.

58:21

I'll know what's happening. And then they're like, this is

58:23

what happened in Yakuza 6 and this

58:25

happened in 3 and this character's from

58:27

4. Oh, and don't forget this.

58:29

And I'm just lost. I'm just like, oh, fuck, I don't

58:32

know any of this. I don't remember any of this. Yeah.

58:35

Yeah, but it's not a big deal.

58:38

It's fine. It's still fine. The gameplay is what

58:40

matters. The story or the world and immersion is

58:42

what matters. And it's like a 10 out of

58:45

10 and all of that. It's just every single

58:47

fight, even the random fights

58:49

are just so satisfying, just so

58:51

good. Just feels good to play. It's

58:54

a great game. Yeah, I love those games. It

58:57

blows my mind. Because Ryu

58:59

go Gattaku or whatever they're called,

59:01

RGG studios, they've put out 3

59:03

games in the last 12 months.

59:05

Like, well, so they've got Isshin at the

59:07

start of the year, which was, I was still playing through that

59:10

as well. And that's a great game. They've

59:12

got this one, which was a shorter experience, but still

59:14

like another 50 hour game. And then in

59:17

February, they've got, or is it January? It's one

59:19

of those two. They've got the next full line

59:22

like a dragon game. Late January. The

59:24

largest game. Yeah. It's the

59:26

largest game yet, which is, I don't

59:28

know what that looks like. That's going

59:30

to be fucking insane. So they, they

59:32

gave away. Yeah, that's insane. They get

59:34

away with it because they're very smart.

59:37

They establish settings and then reuse the

59:39

shit out of them. So like there's

59:41

Kamurocho, there's Sotenbori, there's Yokohama. And the

59:43

whole point is the first like eight

59:46

or nine games only took place

59:48

in Kamurocho and Sotenbori. And

59:50

I was like, okay, you're in Osaka and

59:52

you're in Tokyo and you're in downtown and

59:54

you're doing Yakuza crime stuff. And they would

59:56

just find clever ways to reuse them and

59:58

build occasional dynamic places. like, oh, here's a

1:00:01

new Yakuza HQ, here's like a mountain top wherever

1:00:03

you're fighting. And then Seven was

1:00:06

like, oh, it takes place in Yokohama, so

1:00:08

you have a new city. And Like

1:00:10

a Dragon Gaiden takes place in Sotenbori

1:00:12

in Yokohama, so they just reuse those

1:00:14

cities. So it's like, okay, it's the

1:00:16

same map, but they rebuild it to

1:00:18

work for the new game. And...

1:00:21

It's still such a monumental, like, thing with

1:00:23

like the story and everything and just everything

1:00:25

outside of just location. It still blows

1:00:27

my mind. And with the

1:00:29

issuing game, that's a pretty new environment. I

1:00:32

think it's based off the remake. It's a

1:00:34

remake of a game though. But it's still

1:00:36

like, that's pretty out of left

1:00:38

field. Right. And what's exciting

1:00:40

about Eight is it's the, I believe, the

1:00:42

first one to take place in America. So

1:00:45

you go to Hawaii, so they're remapping

1:00:47

this whole giant new city that's not

1:00:49

been in the previous games. So it

1:00:52

should be cool. Yeah, they have like a

1:00:54

full animal crossing mode in it and shit like

1:00:57

that. It's a Pokemon fucking battle mode where you

1:00:59

literally battle Pokemon that are old, gross men. How

1:01:02

could you not love this series? It's so good.

1:01:05

I know. It's so good. I fucking love

1:01:07

it. It's so good. Oh, God. It's

1:01:09

just too good. All right. We've, we've ranted

1:01:12

enough about Yakuza though. Charlie, what do you

1:01:14

want? Uh,

1:01:16

I guess things I like is Netflix

1:01:18

for this week. They introduced...

1:01:20

Oh, what? Yep. They

1:01:23

introduced two new extremely good shows. One

1:01:26

is Blue-Eyed Samurai and two

1:01:28

is Pluto. They're very,

1:01:30

very good. I've

1:01:32

seen the Hideo Kojima recommendation of

1:01:34

Blue-Eyed Samurai. Does it live up

1:01:37

to his pretentious standards? Yes,

1:01:40

Blue-Eyed Samurai is very, very good.

1:01:42

I am beyond impressed that Netflix

1:01:44

released not one, but two good

1:01:46

shows pretty close to each other.

1:01:50

Is this by the Castlevania people? No.

1:01:53

Well, actually, I don't know. Let me see. Who is it

1:01:55

by? I

1:02:00

don't know. No, it's not. Okay. I

1:02:06

don't recognize this team, but they fucking crushed it

1:02:08

with this one. I'll tell you that much. Have

1:02:13

you guys heard about the swan guy that Netflix

1:02:15

paid like 50 million bucks to make a

1:02:18

series and he invested all of it into crypto

1:02:20

and lost it? Yes. Yeah.

1:02:23

The guy who made 47 Ronin or whatever. Yeah. He

1:02:26

also didn't lose it. I don't know if you read the whole article.

1:02:28

He like doubled it. No, more

1:02:30

than that. He put so much of it into Dogecoin

1:02:32

back in like 2021. He cashed

1:02:35

it out and then bought five Rolls Royces and a

1:02:37

ton of other things and claimed it was all for

1:02:39

the production of the Netflix film. It

1:02:41

was awesome. Okay. So he didn't lose

1:02:43

it, but he did ultimately end up wasting it. Yes.

1:02:46

He didn't make the series, right? No,

1:02:49

he hasn't made anything. And he's actually coming

1:02:51

after Netflix saying that they owe him. So

1:02:57

what? I

1:02:59

don't remember now, but it was like they didn't

1:03:01

pay him everything he required. He

1:03:05

didn't pay him everything that was required to make

1:03:07

it or something. Like they went against the contract

1:03:09

or something. I don't remember. He trippled even more.

1:03:12

What happened is Netflix won the bidding war to have

1:03:14

the 47 Ronin guy direct something for

1:03:16

them. It was a sci-fi show about fucking

1:03:18

AI or something. I don't remember. Which is crazy

1:03:20

to start because 47 Ronin is apparently

1:03:23

one of the biggest box office disasters.

1:03:25

So I don't know why. Yeah, I don't know why anyone would be

1:03:27

in a bidding war for this guy. But regardless,

1:03:30

Netflix wins the bidding war. They pay him

1:03:32

like 50 million upfront. And then he asks

1:03:35

for another additional like 15 million. And he

1:03:37

spends 11 million of that on stock options

1:03:39

and cryptocurrency. And he's

1:03:41

never made the show. As far as I

1:03:43

know, he has never even shown anything from

1:03:45

the production, even letting a

1:03:48

sneak peek of anything be shown. So

1:03:51

I think there's a good chance he never even started. And

1:03:53

it's just all been from the beginning a way

1:03:56

of getting money and investing on

1:03:58

someone else's payroll. I

1:04:01

mean it's literal fraud. It

1:04:03

is. Yeah, it's fraud. That's how it

1:04:05

seems to me. Is

1:04:08

fraud just something that you can't be,

1:04:10

you can't be like indicted for if

1:04:12

you're successful? That's right. You can't be

1:04:14

arrested for fraud, Jackson. That's correct. You

1:04:18

didn't let me finish my sentence. Like was he

1:04:20

able to pay back the money with his investment

1:04:22

so then it doesn't matter? Oh yeah,

1:04:24

his fraud. No, I don't know. He's the one going

1:04:26

after Netflix, not the other way around. Like

1:04:28

I don't know. He wants more. I

1:04:30

mean, if he doubled their money, you know, fair

1:04:33

enough. Why

1:04:38

not? Not their money. That's his now,

1:04:41

baby. He immediately spent all of it. Oh,

1:04:44

here's what it is. He's looking for restitution from

1:04:46

Netflix to the tune of 14 million

1:04:48

for their breach of contract. I

1:04:57

respect the balls on him. He had

1:04:59

also that there are people coming out saying that he'd

1:05:01

kind of gone a little loony. He

1:05:03

was talking about like crazy shit. So one

1:05:06

person reported that he looked up in the

1:05:08

sky one time and started talking about how

1:05:10

planes are actually organic. Like he, I'm guessing

1:05:12

he had a really bad ayahuasca trip or

1:05:14

something and lost himself. But yeah,

1:05:17

he's, there's a lot about this guy. You

1:05:20

know, it's funny. He's probably using Netflix's money

1:05:22

to sue them. Yeah,

1:05:25

probably. He's

1:05:27

money now though. Suckers. What a

1:05:29

genius. Indulge cash. Failing off with. All

1:05:33

right. Did

1:05:37

you guys want to tell, this is kind

1:05:39

of late, right? But there's like actual, is

1:05:44

there like actual dream allegations going on

1:05:46

Charlie? I mean,

1:05:48

there's allegations. Yeah. Tons of

1:05:50

them. Yeah. Tons of them.

1:05:52

So, so as far as I understand it, the

1:05:54

allegations are that dream. Old

1:05:57

famous Minecraft YouTubers slash speedrunner

1:05:59

slash. He

1:06:01

sings songs. Has

1:06:04

been allegedly grooming

1:06:06

children, if I'm getting that right. I

1:06:08

don't know the specifics of stuff. I've

1:06:10

heard it's like the chat logs, if

1:06:13

they're true, which there isn't like substantial

1:06:15

proof or anything, but if they're true,

1:06:17

he was like 19 and

1:06:19

they were 17. There's

1:06:23

tons and tons of different claims. It depends on

1:06:25

which ones you're talking about. Oh, right. Okay.

1:06:28

I saw two. What's the worst one? I

1:06:31

saw two. Well, yeah. So the

1:06:33

only two I saw were like around that age

1:06:35

bracket and also they may have lied about their

1:06:37

ages to dream. Even

1:06:39

if that was like even accurate, which I

1:06:41

don't know if they're like, they are confirmed

1:06:44

yet. Those are the allegations that

1:06:46

I saw. What are the extended ones, Charlie?

1:06:50

I don't even know where to begin. There's

1:06:52

so, so many. Like

1:06:55

I don't know. Do

1:06:57

you have an hour? Like it's

1:06:59

fucking unreal amount. Like the

1:07:01

sheer volume is crazy. Just what

1:07:04

is the worst one? What's

1:07:06

the worst thing? Pedophilia, obviously.

1:07:08

Pedophilia is the worst one though. The

1:07:12

accusation is that he would be

1:07:14

sexually inappropriate with underage fans, even

1:07:16

knowing that they're underage. So

1:07:20

I think Kai is asking more explicitly

1:07:22

what occurred. Like what

1:07:24

actually happened? Yeah, like

1:07:27

a zird. Yeah,

1:07:29

there's like screenshots that people are claiming dreams

1:07:31

sent to them knowing full well their age

1:07:33

and a lot of the

1:07:35

other ways that he behaved around fans. And then a lot

1:07:37

of people would come out with anecdotal stories about some other

1:07:39

things that he's done as well. As far

1:07:41

as like substantiated proof, there's really nothing that's

1:07:43

been confirmed 100% but the

1:07:46

sheer volume makes it extremely hard to track it, especially

1:07:48

because so many people have come out and

1:07:51

like legitimately faked things on purpose just to

1:07:53

muddy the waters. It's been

1:07:55

so confusing to see what he's actually guilty

1:07:57

of and what's actually true. It's

1:08:00

probably not just to muddy the waters, it's

1:08:02

genuinely people trying to incriminate him, right? I

1:08:04

doubt people are making evidence to give him the benefit of

1:08:06

his death. Dude, his fans are insane. They

1:08:09

would do some of the stuff just for

1:08:11

eyeballs. Yeah, well I

1:08:13

also think there's a level of people doing it

1:08:16

to try and like obfuscate, so like people will

1:08:18

make these blatantly false claims in

1:08:21

order to make the other ones seem less

1:08:23

believable too, just so there's more and more

1:08:25

like, oh, this one's confirmed false, this one

1:08:27

was also confirmed false, which means this one

1:08:29

might also be false. Like it's so fucking

1:08:32

messy. It's definitely possible. I

1:08:34

believe you, but I

1:08:36

also think it's like equally as likely

1:08:38

as people are making fake allegations as

1:08:40

well to fuck with Dream, like to

1:08:43

try to add fire to it. I

1:08:45

think it's probably a 50-50 split. Yeah. Yeah,

1:08:48

it's like anything with this fucking internet,

1:08:51

it's like one story comes out and

1:08:53

then everything gets immediately so fucking messy

1:08:55

because people just can't help themselves. People

1:08:58

can't tackle these kinds of topics with the

1:09:00

like severity and importance that

1:09:03

they need. Like this

1:09:05

shouldn't be handled on Twitter. It's always the

1:09:08

same fucking argument. This shouldn't be handled on

1:09:10

Twitter. This should be handled through

1:09:12

actual law enforcement. It's what it's designed

1:09:14

for. Well, I

1:09:16

also understand why some of it would be public

1:09:18

photo though, because if he's like doing this with

1:09:20

his audience, it puts out a warning like, hey,

1:09:23

this guy is dangerous. Like so does going to the

1:09:25

police talking to him? Well, yeah, I

1:09:28

think both should be done. Like I get why

1:09:30

they would. I think it should be done after

1:09:32

police. Just go to the police, get it all

1:09:35

like looked after. It doesn't matter. But yeah, it

1:09:37

does to me. It does Jackson. They

1:09:39

don't want to go to the police and like actually

1:09:41

get justice. They just want to cancel a dude on

1:09:43

Twitter. And the funny thing is that this started as

1:09:45

far as I know because Dream went on Twitter and

1:09:48

tried to cancel

1:09:50

the gumball voice actor. Yeah,

1:09:53

that's why. So no, no, no, it started

1:09:56

before then. So some of the allegations date

1:09:58

back to like 2022. and

1:10:00

even a bit earlier, but after the

1:10:02

gumball versus Dream stuff... Yes, the allegations

1:10:04

are old, but didn't this all just

1:10:07

reach like a boiling point

1:10:09

when Dream went on Twitter and

1:10:12

started... I don't know, some

1:10:14

sort of weird social media tip for the gumball

1:10:16

voice actor. The gumball... And everybody thought I guess

1:10:18

the... Started it, but yeah. Okay,

1:10:22

I don't know anything about that. All I know

1:10:24

is Dream released a video of the gumball voice

1:10:26

actor at I think underage

1:10:28

drinking and like ranting and raving at

1:10:30

an Uber driver and using

1:10:32

words he wasn't supposed to use, which is creepy too by

1:10:35

the way, just holding on to that video for

1:10:37

years and years in case you can

1:10:39

blackmail him later. Okay, I've seen this

1:10:41

take so many times as well. I

1:10:43

firmly disagree. I reckon it's completely

1:10:46

rational and sane thing to do.

1:10:48

Okay, so this gumball situation... Save

1:10:50

the video? Yeah,

1:10:53

if they weren't friends or anything. I

1:10:55

don't know about saving the video, but

1:10:57

filming in the first place. So they

1:10:59

weren't friends at all from what I've

1:11:01

heard. So Dream, they were both

1:11:04

at an event. Gumball, whatever

1:11:06

his name is, gumball starts

1:11:08

just fucking... Like he walks up to Dream and flaps

1:11:10

him and then hops in his Uber

1:11:13

car and Dream's in the back. Yeah, I

1:11:15

didn't know he slapped them. Yeah,

1:11:17

shit like that. And then throughout

1:11:19

the trip, this gumball dude is...

1:11:22

You see in the video, he's

1:11:24

going on a psychotic episode at

1:11:27

this poor Uber driver and stuff, screaming

1:11:29

slurs and stuff, doing just fucking... I

1:11:32

don't care about what he's saying mostly, it's just that

1:11:34

it's directed... That's the cottic episode. ...to the driver that's

1:11:37

trying to do his joke. It's a joke. Yeah,

1:11:40

it's a crashy fail. Yeah, but he

1:11:42

claims that he's got mental illnesses and

1:11:44

stuff and that's why. I

1:11:50

never think that's a valid excuse. I

1:11:54

think you're still responsible for your actions at the end of the day. So

1:11:57

putting myself in Dream's situation, if someone fucking... walked

1:12:00

up to me, slapped me, then hopped in my

1:12:02

Uber car. I would absolutely film that, not for

1:12:04

any vindictive reasons or anything, but for my own

1:12:06

fucking safety. Absolutely I

1:12:09

would film that. Would

1:12:11

you then hold onto it and wait for like some kind

1:12:13

of like shoe to drop for you to drop the video

1:12:16

to like distract from things? Like, I don't know.

1:12:20

I didn't know that he slapped the guy. In

1:12:22

that case, I agree with you. I would

1:12:24

also film, but then why wait to release

1:12:26

it? Why hold onto it just in case?

1:12:29

You could have released it when it happened. Yeah,

1:12:33

I don't know. I don't know. I

1:12:36

don't know, but it really does annoy me that

1:12:39

this guy, this gumball dude, it's

1:12:42

the hypocrisy of it with the

1:12:44

internet. Like,

1:12:46

I feel like if this was any, like if

1:12:49

Dream was any other person that backseat filming

1:12:51

this, then the gumball dude would have been

1:12:53

fucking immediately vilified and canceled, but just because

1:12:55

by sheer proximity to Dream, he's

1:12:58

the hero of the story. And

1:13:00

we're all somehow completely fine with everything he's done.

1:13:03

He's the hero. He got

1:13:05

so fucking lucky that he hopped in that Uber car

1:13:08

and had this episode with Dream in it. It's

1:13:10

so fucking, I just hate the hypocrisy of it.

1:13:13

I really do. Yeah,

1:13:17

I mean. Well, no, how old was he? I don't

1:13:19

know. What was he in that video?

1:13:23

How old was what? The

1:13:26

gumball actor. Voice actor. No,

1:13:30

no, he's 20 in the video, isn't he? Okay. 20,

1:13:33

I don't know. It's both the same to me. It's

1:13:35

not that old. It's not like he held onto it

1:13:37

for years. Like he's not that old. Oh,

1:13:40

everybody's saying underage drinking, I thought. I'm

1:13:43

still thinking about like the repeat standards for some reason.

1:13:46

Yeah. But in America it's below 20.

1:13:48

That's another thing that annoys me. That's another thing that annoys

1:13:50

me. People are saying like, oh,

1:13:53

Dream failed as a responsible adult.

1:13:55

He took this fucking child

1:13:57

underage drinking. I'm like, what? Did

1:13:59

he? going

1:16:00

to have severe ramifications, I feel like.

1:16:04

No, I really don't. Well, he says he's going to make

1:16:06

a video debunking it, so I guess we'll see. My

1:16:09

prediction is I don't think he's innocent on all

1:16:12

the claims. I really would be

1:16:14

shocked if he was somehow innocent on all of

1:16:16

these unbelievable

1:16:18

amount of claims and allegations. I

1:16:21

really think he's done some bad

1:16:23

stuff, but now that everything has

1:16:25

been so confusing with just an

1:16:27

absolute overload of claims and allegations,

1:16:29

some of which have been proven false from people

1:16:31

just fucking around. It's been hard to

1:16:34

know which ones are true and which ones aren't, but

1:16:36

my prediction is he has done some

1:16:38

shady shit that will probably

1:16:41

get confirmed pretty soon, maybe when he

1:16:43

makes his response. That's what

1:16:45

I think. How bad

1:16:47

did he go? Because again, I just

1:16:49

don't care about a 19-year-old texting a

1:16:51

17-year-old. I just don't. No,

1:16:54

I just don't. What

1:16:56

do you mean, how far did he go? Like how bad?

1:16:59

Like what's the age? What's the

1:17:01

biggest age gap? Yeah. I

1:17:04

don't know what the biggest age gap is,

1:17:06

but all of it's bad because he's still

1:17:08

messaging underage fans. What do you mean? Like

1:17:11

regardless of the age gap, that's still a horrible

1:17:13

thing to do, assuming the claims

1:17:15

are true. Yeah,

1:17:18

we don't know any of the claims. I think Jackson's

1:17:20

just saying she was like 18 and she was 17.

1:17:24

That's not... Okay, we'll play with that

1:17:26

for a second, even if that was the case. Let's

1:17:28

say it is him being 19 and

1:17:31

messaging the 17-year-old. It's

1:17:33

still very different than just a 19-year-old in real life

1:17:35

messaging a 17-year-old in real life that they just happen

1:17:37

to meet each other. This is

1:17:39

a 19-year-old messaging a 17-year-old who's like

1:17:41

in love with them and

1:17:43

making things sexual, assuming the claims are

1:17:46

true. I mean, that's fine.

1:17:48

You're making the position of power, the

1:17:51

power dynamic arguments. We're just fine.

1:17:53

This is the issue with teenage

1:17:56

boys becoming mega-millionaire superstars.

1:18:00

At the end of the day, he's still just a horny teenage boy.

1:18:03

Even when you give him all the fame and money in the world,

1:18:05

you know? It's just gonna happen.

1:18:09

But yeah, I mean, if that's the what's

1:18:11

going on, then I agree, I guess it'll

1:18:13

probably be confirmed. I

1:18:16

have no doubt it's fine. Yeah,

1:18:19

it's so hard. I

1:18:22

don't think anyone would want to defend him,

1:18:24

sadly for him. Well,

1:18:26

it's impossible to defend him. He

1:18:30

is creepy with his fans, like publicly creepy

1:18:33

with his fans. He has encouraged parasocial relationships.

1:18:35

Yeah, parasocial. He's been online. It's entirely believable

1:18:37

that he would have done even more degenerate

1:18:39

shit, so it's extremely hard to defend him,

1:18:41

even if the proof isn't super concrete yet.

1:18:44

It's a hard thing to defend. He's the one

1:18:47

going on stage and singing songs in completely

1:18:50

broken tones, right? Jackson

1:18:52

keeps sending cops of it. Yeah. Yeah,

1:18:55

yeah, yeah. He's gonna go to prison just

1:18:57

for that. He has

1:18:59

absolutely cultivated this kind of audience

1:19:02

that's gonna eat him alive. You

1:19:04

reap what you sow. Yeah,

1:19:06

it's hard to get. Um,

1:19:10

well, yeah, I guess we just

1:19:13

disagree. I don't know,

1:19:16

I don't know. I just don't care. I

1:19:18

don't think we do. I don't think any of us will

1:19:21

learn strongly about it. Well,

1:19:24

yeah, okay, but not by the dictionary definition,

1:19:26

but he still shouldn't message those girls. Yeah.

1:19:29

I don't know. How about the word creep?

1:19:32

You can say crump. Yeah. All

1:19:34

right, there you go. See, we found

1:19:36

the happy medium for Jackson. We found

1:19:39

Comic Opera. I think, no, no, I

1:19:41

seriously do. I think pedophile is such

1:19:43

a fucking, it should be

1:19:45

an extremely powerful word. It should be reserved for

1:19:47

pedophiles. Absolutely. I'll stand by

1:19:49

that. No, I agree. I think

1:19:51

it's really dumb when like, Jill to

1:19:54

the women on Twitter call Leonardo

1:19:56

DiCaprio pedophile because he dates

1:19:58

22 year old supermodels. Yeah.

1:20:01

When he's 60 or whatever. Yes, that's dumb. Obviously

1:20:05

not what the fucking word means, but still, a

1:20:07

weirdo. Dream, you know?

1:20:10

Yeah. And bad content. Minecraft

1:20:12

player. I don't know if that's

1:20:15

criminal to be a dickhead and a weirdo,

1:20:17

but I guess we'll see. Yeah.

1:20:20

Okay, let's try. You guys got anything

1:20:22

else before we go? Nope.

1:20:26

Nah. Just watch

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Blue-Eyed Samurai. Okay. All

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