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Hello.

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Welcome back to the official Yellowstone

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podcast, a very very happy holiday

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to you, and thanks for being here. My name

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is Jefferson White. I play Jimmy

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on Yellowstone, and I'm joined as

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always. By Jinlandin, Teeter. Hey,

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Jeff. And

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Jeff? Are you a holiday person? You

1:55

know, I don't think of myself as a

1:57

particular holiday person. But I love gathering.

1:59

I love seeing my family. I love gathering with

2:01

family. So that's that's a benefit

2:02

of it. I love the family aspect and I

2:04

love the coming together aspect. I

2:06

would say that you have a sort of energy

2:08

year round

2:09

maybe that. You know, the joy and sort

2:11

of good humor with which you greet

2:13

the day. It's it's always

2:16

Christmas in your

2:16

heart, I would say. One of the great things

2:19

about this show is the community, obviously.

2:21

And we do absolutely cherish the

2:23

community of this show. And after five years, the

2:25

community of this show feels like a

2:26

family. Like, I've been talking about

2:28

Yellowstone with my Instagram followers

2:30

for five years, which is I I think

2:33

like, authentically a really beautiful

2:35

thing. There's like a lot of the way

2:37

in which, you know, the conversation

2:39

on social media allows us to connect with people

2:41

is an incredible gift. Yeah. So what we

2:43

wanted to do as part of this

2:45

extra special superfan

2:47

episode, is include some

2:49

questions that we see recurring

2:51

on social media. So

2:53

Jen, if I may, may I pose to you a question?

2:56

Yes, Jeff. May I pose the same question

2:58

back to

2:58

you? III

3:00

hope you will. Great. So

3:03

some of you and I have talked about Elijah and something

3:05

that gets brought up in a lot of interviews if you watch

3:07

Yellowstone, you know, press and publicity

3:10

materials is cowboy camp. The

3:12

sort of legend of cowboy camp. It's a

3:14

phrase that we toss around as though anybody

3:16

knows what we're talking about. Right. Jin,

3:19

will you tell us about

3:21

cowboy camp? Will you specifically tell us

3:23

about your experience of cowboy

3:25

camp?

3:26

Yeah. Well, Jeff, as you know,

3:28

I came in season

3:30

three. And I I missed out even on that

3:32

third season cowboy camp. So you have some

3:34

epic stories to share after this about

3:36

the first three cowboy camps. But

3:39

my first official cowboy was

3:42

going into season four and

3:46

it was six

3:48

days, I believe, of

3:52

training and

3:56

different sort of obstacles,

3:59

everything from everything,

4:02

frankly, from balancing an egg

4:04

on a spoon while you ride. That

4:06

was least favorite. I'm still

4:08

mad at that event to

4:12

sorting cattle, to racing,

4:15

and on the final day,

4:19

we would have a competition, and

4:22

we'd be broken up into teams, and we would compete,

4:24

and it would be about who

4:26

would win. What I do know

4:29

is that apparently, cowboy camp

4:31

for nineteen twenty three or maybe

4:33

it was for eighteen eighty three was this

4:35

incredibly warm supportive environment

4:37

in in which people really cheered each

4:39

other on. And I that

4:42

is not the way it is on illistone. It

4:44

is highly competitive. People

4:47

are out for blood. I

4:50

think

4:50

that we're started out in season one, it started

4:52

out warm and supportive. We were all, you

4:54

know, strangers in it together. I

4:56

I think most of the listeners of this podcast

4:59

know by now when I started Yellowstone, I

5:01

had never touched a horse in my life. This

5:03

was all extremely new

5:05

to me. And so cowboy

5:07

camp the first time around was this incredible

5:09

sort of overnight pack adventure

5:12

with a a mule train. There

5:14

was a sort of we we had these incredible

5:17

mule guy who took us

5:19

up on the side of a mountain, and

5:21

we stayed overnight and just

5:23

spent our days kind of riding through

5:25

these mountains, practicing various

5:28

cooking out by the Camp Fire. It

5:31

was a really amazing experience

5:33

to be honest. We with

5:35

a cast iron pan, just sorta cooking

5:37

cooking on a campfire. So it really was

5:40

an incredible sort of immersive

5:42

experience. And it was also the first time

5:44

we'd all met each other, you know. So I

5:46

hopped I I flew in, hopped

5:48

in an SUV, popped down on the other and

5:51

met Jake Ream for the first

5:53

time. They stuck me on a horse

5:55

right next to Colehauser, my first time

5:57

on a horse, first time meeting

5:59

coal, and we trapes trapes

6:01

to the side of a mountain to reunite

6:03

with the rest of the cast who had gotten there the

6:05

day before. So it was a really wild

6:08

sort of experience

6:10

getting to know each other, which,

6:12

yeah, like, was a huge bonding agent going

6:14

into that first season. You know, going into the

6:16

first season us know. None of us knew what the show

6:18

was gonna be. We had one

6:20

script. You know, we had the episode one script. We

6:22

didn't know what our futures held. It

6:25

was a real sort of leap of

6:28

faith for all of us and

6:30

this sort of shared commitment to

6:32

this journey we were gonna go on. You know, it

6:34

was a really pretty

6:37

amazing experience. This was also,

6:39

you know, it was before Yellowstone

6:41

was this massive phenomenon.

6:43

This year since we didn't get you at

6:45

cowboy camp and you gotta go down to the four sixes,

6:48

I heard from Taylor,

6:51

I heard from Drew, who works for

6:53

the four sixes, that they

6:55

sort of put you through you sort of went

6:57

through the paces the same way they

6:59

would working that ranch and that

7:02

you held your own and then some and

7:04

everyone was sort of blown

7:07

away by you.

7:09

That's really nice of them to say. Really,

7:11

you know, so so season four of

7:13

Yellowstone and Jimmy gets sent off to the four sixes,

7:15

which was the first time I

7:17

experienced that ranch. You know, it's

7:19

an incredible real

7:21

working cattle ranch. And and

7:24

the guys who live there

7:26

and work there are the best in the world.

7:28

They are they

7:30

have sort of made lifelong commitments

7:33

to this craft, to this

7:35

culture, and

7:37

they are the best cowboys in the world,

7:40

pretty, pretty literally. So,

7:42

you know, for them to

7:44

have to put up with me demonstrates

7:47

that they're also incredibly patient because these

7:49

these guys their job isn't to babysit

7:51

an actor. Their job is

7:53

to manage

7:56

the the cattle on this ranch. You know, they have an

7:58

incredible amount of responsibility that

8:00

they are constantly living up

8:02

to. So season five

8:04

of Yellowstone, I regrettably couldn't

8:07

make it to the formal cowboy camp, which

8:10

I was terrified about because the last

8:12

thing you wanna do is tell Taylor that

8:14

you you can't make it, especially because,

8:16

like, it it's such a valuable bonding

8:18

exercise But, you know, not

8:20

unlike Jimmy, I had this experience of

8:22

going off by myself down to the four

8:24

sixes with with

8:26

Taylor and participating in a real

8:28

sort of gathering and branding

8:30

that they were doing down there, which was

8:32

amazing. It was the best practice in the world. It

8:34

was basically you know,

8:36

some of the stuff you guys are doing in season five,

8:38

these massive gathers, massive brandings.

8:41

It was that without cameras on

8:43

one of the biggest, oldest, kinda ranches

8:45

in America. Know, so I had this just absolutely

8:48

transcendently beautiful experience of

8:50

waking up before the sun rose. You

8:53

know, loading horses onto trailers,

8:55

unloading them functionally in the

8:57

middle of nowhere. The four sixes is the

8:59

size of a county. It's

9:01

massive. It's like wilderness in in

9:03

pretty much the truest sense,

9:05

it's wilderness. And you

9:07

formed this huge cowboy dragon net, and I would

9:09

look to my left and look to my right, and

9:11

the sun hadn't risen yet, so I couldn't

9:13

see anybody else. And I was just sort of

9:16

riding through the sagebrush by myself

9:18

with no cameras

9:19

around. Gathering gathering,

9:22

you know, cow calf

9:24

pears. Did you love

9:25

it? It was

9:25

a And I did. Did you

9:26

love it? Do you miss it? I

9:29

I loved it very much, and I do miss it. It was

9:31

it was probably the first time I've had on the

9:34

show Well, the experience of working

9:36

on Yellowstone over the last five years where I didn't

9:38

feel like I was auditioning -- Mhmm. -- because there

9:40

was no one else around. Like,

9:42

you know, I I had I've I've never really been

9:44

on a horse by myself before.

9:46

I I've been supervised by

9:48

trainers, supervised by our wranglers.

9:51

This was kind of the first time in my life. I was

9:53

on a horse by myself. And then

9:55

we did the branding, you know, and we did a fucking branding,

9:57

which is a wild deal. That's

10:00

for for layman like me, I'm I'm like

10:02

in real life, I'm closer to summer

10:04

than I am to teeter. You know what

10:06

I mean? Like, summer's character's probably

10:08

the closest analogue to me in a

10:10

life because she's from out of town and she's never

10:12

seen this before. So all of a sudden,

10:14

I'm like wrestling with calves on

10:16

the floor of a of, you know, this

10:18

dirt these dirt pins It's

10:20

three hundred cow pears and, you

10:22

know, you're kinda doing jujitsu on these

10:25

cows trying to hold them down so they

10:27

can be castrated and

10:28

inoculated, it's gnarly. It's

10:30

pretty metal, to be honest.

10:32

Yeah. But it's also our

10:34

job, you know, so it was It was a really

10:36

unique experience that I probably never otherwise would've

10:38

had, and that that was my cowboy camp for

10:40

season five. So that kind of brings

10:42

us to our next

10:45

question from our audience. But before we get

10:47

into that, we're gonna take a quick break and

10:49

we'll be right back.

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11:27

So

11:34

before the break, Jeff, you were talking about

11:36

these times when we reach

11:38

something, we hit a moment that is so sort of

11:40

physically exhausting on some level that's

11:42

hard that we've never experienced before.

11:44

And one of the questions that

11:47

we got from social

11:49

media from the audience was

11:51

they were curious what

11:53

our favorite scene was to record

11:55

and what the hardest scene was

11:57

for us to record. So I'm wondering

12:00

if, Jeff, what was

12:02

your hardest scene and what was your favorite

12:04

scene and maybe there one and the

12:05

same. Yeah. I mean, my my favorite scenes

12:09

prior to season four, we're always

12:11

the bunkhouse scenes. You know, I really

12:13

loved working with yahoo

12:15

I have Lilli become a sort

12:17

of family at this point. It's just the opportunity to, like,

12:19

tease each other and mess around and and

12:21

and keep it light was it was always so fun on a

12:23

show that can be so heavy. In

12:25

season four, I got to I got to sort of

12:27

have responsibility on the show in a

12:29

way I never had before. Part

12:31

of Jimmy's journey is that

12:33

he's a he is more

12:35

on and does not deserve responsibility

12:38

and sort of hands himself

12:40

over to people

12:42

who are take responsibility for him, you know,

12:44

Rip takes responsibility for him. John

12:46

Dutton takes responsibility for him. The rest of

12:48

the bunkhouse does. In season four, for

12:50

the first time, Jimmy sort of has to take

12:52

responsibility for himself. And that's

12:54

also really true of my experience of

12:56

shooting it, you know. So in in season four,

12:58

We went down to Texas on a splinter

13:01

unit to shoot at the sixes, and it was like

13:03

a it was like shooting

13:05

a completely different show. You know, it was

13:07

like this gorilla unit, it was a

13:09

smaller nimbler

13:11

crew, Taylor was directing

13:13

all of it, and it was just this

13:15

very intimate different

13:17

style of filmmaking in

13:19

which I sort of had a lot of

13:20

responsibility. Lilli, I had to kinda this

13:23

this was we were making this, like, weird little splinter

13:25

unit movie. And that

13:27

was an incredible experience creatively.

13:31

Because it was you

13:32

know, it just mirrors the characters experience.

13:34

There's this sort of self actualization that

13:36

Jimmy experiences when he goes down to the

13:38

sixes. And I sort of experienced the

13:40

same thing as an actor. Like, I went down to the

13:42

sixes and I all of a sudden I had to

13:44

run with the football a little bit.

13:46

And that was a real honor

13:49

and a challenge and an

13:51

audible gift that I'll never forget. Like working on

13:53

that season four

13:55

four six's stuff, me and Kat

13:57

Lilli were sort of the only actors surrounded by a bunch

14:00

of cowboys. With with Taylor

14:02

there directing us, we were also moving

14:04

fast. There's at least one scene that we

14:06

did literally one take of, one

14:08

take, one set up, like,

14:10

that the scene went nice. When

14:12

Jimmy drops Emily off at

14:14

her house and they kissed for the first time --

14:16

Yeah. -- the

14:16

sun was setting. It was a magic hour

14:19

scene and we did one take, one

14:21

take, one set up

14:22

done. That's incredible which was

14:24

yeah. And it was, like, that that kind of

14:27

moment, you know, that's, like, as an actor, There's

14:29

a scene you know, in Yellowstone season five, Ryan

14:31

describes this big

14:33

cattle drive as like the Super Bowl or the

14:35

grand old opera of being a cowboy.

14:37

Yeah. As an actor, Moments like

14:39

that are sort of our Super Bowl. It's like, hey,

14:41

you know, there's no time left.

14:43

This thing's gonna exist forever. Whatever

14:46

scene we shoot right now is going

14:48

in yellow down. And it's

14:50

gonna exist forever. And we

14:52

only get to do it one time. Roll

14:55

cam, a roll sound. Let's go. You know,

14:57

so those moments are, like, incredibly

15:00

exhilarating

15:03

and exhausting and challenging, but they're really

15:05

Lilli we do this to a certain extent.

15:08

That kind

15:08

of pressure is such a gift because you have no

15:10

choice but to really live live in the

15:12

moment. When the moment is

15:14

so precious.

15:16

And then the hardest stuff I've shot is

15:18

like, you know, some some of these days like,

15:20

you experience this over and over again this

15:22

season. These days when you're really just kinda working the

15:24

ranch, like, you know, these days when

15:26

you're driving cattle, when you're you know,

15:28

I'm branding like, you're work you're

15:30

kinda just working a fourteen hour

15:32

day as though you are a

15:34

cowboy, but there's also a camera

15:37

you know, on a long lens

15:39

just watching your every movement

15:41

for fourteen

15:42

hours, which, oh, nothing

15:44

is more exhausting. Than like doing

15:46

your job, but you also can't

15:48

relax for fourteen hours

15:50

because

15:50

the camera

15:51

is on you for fourteen hours. For me,

15:53

the most grueling days and the hardest days are

15:55

different. So the most grueling days are

15:58

yeah. Long days.

16:01

Pushing cows, no bathroom

16:03

around. I mean, really, as

16:05

a female, that's interesting.

16:07

But they're not my hardest days. Oddly,

16:10

my hardest days or bunkhouse days

16:12

as much as I'm happy to see

16:14

everyone. They're my

16:16

absolute hardest days because I

16:18

am a bit of an introvert. I tend

16:20

to hang out with people one on

16:22

one, maybe in groups of three.

16:24

But in a whole group

16:26

setting in which, you

16:28

know, drinking is involved

16:30

and just Merry making, not

16:32

really a part of my life.

16:36

I I so it

16:38

triggers all of my social anxiety

16:42

So those scenes are the hardest

16:44

for me in some way. And

16:47

then My favorite scene

16:49

is the scene I got to shoot where

16:52

Teeter asks Ripon

16:55

John. For her job, to

16:57

keep her

16:57

job. That was

17:00

definitely my favorite, not just because

17:02

I got to speak to important people,

17:04

Yeah. And you know, for for listeners of

17:06

the show, you you may know this. Maybe it's

17:08

a little obvious. If your character

17:11

gets fired off the ranch, You kinda

17:13

get fired off the show. I hate

17:15

to say it, but the way TV

17:17

writing works is if your character's not in

17:19

the

17:19

story, you you just lost your

17:21

job. So for Jen, I mean, I can't help

17:23

but wonder if there's a little bit of an element of,

17:25

alright, I gotta go in there and I gotta

17:27

earn my place on this ranch.

17:30

Taylor Taylor's luckily,

17:33

really, really considerate. Because he was

17:35

an actor himself, I find him to

17:37

be very considerate

17:39

to sort of the hell that we can

17:41

go through. So even

17:43

in season three in the river scene where it just looks

17:45

like I died, he called me

17:47

beforehand, and the first words out of his mouth were

17:50

you you don't die. And just to

17:51

just there's a caveat to what you just said, which is

17:54

if you're written you know, out of

17:56

the ranch you would be written out of the show. That holds true

17:58

for television in general. But

18:00

the scene with with

18:02

John and Rip. The reason why, like, that hit so hard was I

18:04

really hooked into something with Teeter for me

18:06

in season three, which was that

18:08

Teeter hasn't had a home since she

18:11

lost home as a kid that

18:13

she's probably, you know, a sort of nomadic

18:15

worker, you know,

18:18

living a life that is getting harder and

18:20

harder to live as society, you

18:22

know, and time moves

18:24

forward. And that

18:26

she feels home for the first time.

18:28

I imagine she had brothers and

18:30

that this bunkhouse is basically a

18:32

minor wreck. Like, it re creates her

18:34

family dynamic She feels home for the

18:36

first time. So the and in

18:39

many ways working on this show,

18:41

I felt home for the first time. I'm a

18:44

Vagabond actor. I'm a I'm a heavy,

18:46

you know, I'm a lunchbox actor.

18:48

I recur and then I leave.

18:50

So this has been home. So

18:52

it just sort of it just

18:54

hit a lot of boxes, you know,

18:56

for me to connect with

18:58

and I I like

19:00

that stuff. Jeff,

19:02

one of the audience questions

19:04

was around food. They wanted to know if

19:06

we were as well fed off camera as

19:08

we appear to be on

19:09

camera. Oh, absolutely. They take great care of us. We

19:12

have the best catering in the world.

19:14

We have the best craft services in the

19:15

world. We have the legendary Gater.

19:17

Gater. Who's, you

19:18

know, a myth, a modern myth, and

19:20

a reality at the same time. Yeah. Yeah.

19:22

Yeah. That's great. It's also it's

19:24

a show about beef. Right.

19:27

So we I've eaten, you

19:29

know, the top ten steaks I've eaten in

19:31

my life were all on the

19:33

set of Yellowstone.

19:35

Gator is one

19:38

of the true magicians of

19:41

food. I I

19:43

don't don't really ever wanna I don't

19:45

think I ever wanna get married, but I thought

19:47

about getting married to Gator. Yeah. I

19:49

thought about marrying Gator for his food

19:52

because III think he's from

19:54

California, but he spent

19:56

a ton of time in Louisiana.

19:58

Yeah. Fear Louisiana. Fear Louisiana, so

20:00

he's like, god, that entire influence in

20:02

his food, he cooks

20:05

with a lot

20:07

of love and I

20:10

would say some and I'm a food

20:12

snob and I go out of my way to eat at some

20:14

of the best restaurants wherever I go and

20:16

some of the best meals I've ever

20:18

had. Are from Gator.

20:21

It's also there's a recurring joke on the

20:23

show, and this is where the fictional

20:25

Gator and the real life Gator

20:27

diverge a recurring joke on

20:29

the show, you know, about vegetarianism

20:31

or veganism that that Gator

20:33

can't accommodate that. If you're a vegan

20:35

on set, Gator's gonna take care of you. Amazing. Gator's

20:38

gonna make you, like, some kind of

20:40

asparagus taco that's really

20:42

gonna knock your socks off.

20:43

Yeah. I'm not vegan, but

20:46

the his vegetables were

20:48

something that stood out for me

20:50

as I just I don't know how he

20:52

did what he

20:52

did. They are incredible. Yeah.

20:54

He's amazing. So we great on set. Thank you

20:56

for worrying

20:57

about us. Though. To that to that kind audience member who

21:00

checked in, thanks

21:02

for worrying about us. We we do

21:03

okay. If you're If you

21:05

ever feel worried again, just start to pay

21:08

attention to the angularity in

21:10

our faces as the season progresses

21:12

because all of us lose bone structure

21:15

because we gain weight over the course of

21:17

the season from the amount

21:19

the food and the delicious food that is

21:22

provided to

21:22

us. Yeah. And I will say, if you're

21:24

really good at cooking, you can probably

21:26

pull it off. I'm terrible at cooking and the good news

21:28

is it's really easy to throw a steak

21:31

in a cast iron

21:31

pan, you know, sear

21:34

it quick and easy. That's

21:36

easy. It's a lot easier in

21:38

trying to, you

21:38

know, fricki say

21:41

an eggplant. So God

21:43

bless. I respect all

21:45

lifestyles. I really do. But for me, give

21:47

me a cast iron pan. Give me a good time to

21:49

me. That's all I need.

21:50

I must yeah. Like a skirt steak in a cast iron.

21:52

Jen, it is always such

21:54

a pleasure to

21:55

talk to you. Yeah. And and the

21:57

the fund's not over yet. Right after

21:59

this message, we've got an amazing conversation with one of

22:01

my favorite new actors on the show this year,

22:04

Lily Kaye, who plays Clara John's

22:06

assistant it right after this.

22:12

Okay. Listen,

22:19

the

22:21

person we're about to talk to

22:24

right now, our guest of the day,

22:26

is my new favorite

22:29

person from work. She

22:31

is a genius actor,

22:35

and I am so

22:37

glad to call her my

22:37

friend, miss Lily

22:40

Kay, who plays Clara

22:43

Brewer. Come

22:43

on now, Jen. That's the best

22:45

intro. Natalie, we became such buds.

22:47

I'm sitting right here.

22:50

Your new favorite

22:51

I I feel so usurped. This is we're

22:54

starting this out on a bad foot because now I'm in a

22:56

defensive position. There were many

22:58

there were many times on set where it

23:00

would be, like, two in the morning. For

23:02

some reason, it was Lilli,

23:05

Finn, and

23:07

I whose coverage

23:09

was less to three And somehow we

23:11

all bonded, like, we were all the

23:13

same the same age. Which

23:15

I don't know whose maturity level that speaks

23:17

to. I don't know if that's I

23:19

think

23:19

it speaks to that

23:22

fitness an incredibly evolved human being and Let's blame

23:24

your child. Finn is too mature.

23:26

He is yeah.

23:28

Just horribly too

23:30

mature. I mean speaking of two AM,

23:32

the middle of nowhere freezing cold

23:34

Montana, Lilly, you got

23:37

thrown into the middle of it

23:39

this season. I I always can't

23:41

help but point out when characters on the

23:43

show parallel the experience of the

23:44

actor. Mhmm. So here you are. You

23:47

you joined the show in its fifth

23:49

season. That's a little bit like Clara

23:51

suddenly getting

23:52

thrown into this cattle ranching

23:55

lifestyle. What's up? What's

23:57

that like? It's bizarre. I mean, it's the

23:59

thing of I I was looking at, you

24:01

know, I was watching the most

24:03

the couple episodes that just came out and

24:05

and looking at like, man, this girl

24:07

just is out of

24:09

nowhere finding herself at the dinner table

24:12

with beth done. It's like that's not no

24:14

one is invited into that

24:16

space and suddenly she

24:18

is there. And

24:20

I think in the same way, I think

24:22

I I felt that that was

24:24

an immense privilege and

24:26

an immense, like, there's a weight

24:28

to that, to being able to to

24:30

join this really

24:32

beautiful community of of people who

24:34

are telling this story. In

24:37

terms of the logistical

24:39

two AM in the in

24:41

the dark, in the in the mud, that was

24:44

like what I grew up loving

24:46

and doing, and so I was so excited.

24:48

I was like, you gotta get to be on

24:50

a horse at two AM in the dirt chasing

24:52

cows, doing mess. I was

24:53

like, oh my god. This is the greatest job

24:55

in the world. Since you hit on it already and I was gonna

24:57

save it towards the end, can you talk a

25:00

little bit more about how

25:03

much riding experience you had coming

25:05

in because when we first saw

25:07

you, one of the days that we,

25:09

you know, we practice riding in

25:11

between shooting, we all were like, who is that

25:13

new Wrangler? Like,

25:15

who's the new professional writer

25:17

they have brought in? And it was

25:19

you? That's very

25:22

kind, Jen. I was

25:24

very lucky in that I did not

25:26

I was rusty. I

25:29

I had spent some time away, but I've

25:32

been riding and working with horses

25:34

since I was about six years

25:36

old. And

25:38

I obviously, I I

25:40

moved away from anywhere

25:43

that I would have access to that. And so it's

25:45

been it had been a second and that

25:47

was just the the greatest joy.

25:50

I I grew up training

25:52

a little bit and and

25:54

and doing that all that kind of

25:56

good stuff. So it was such a it's really was

25:58

a dream come true to to get to

26:00

do that at this work in

26:03

a in in a TV

26:05

movie

26:05

context. When you saw,

26:08

you know, the words you

26:10

said joy really radiates

26:12

kind of through the screen because, you know,

26:14

we don't know how Claire is gonna respond to suddenly

26:16

being asked to be on the ranch to suddenly

26:19

participate in this massive gathering

26:22

this massive branding. But the

26:24

way she responds to it is with

26:26

joy. It really seems like for her too, it's

26:28

this homecoming. You know, she's

26:30

sprinting on a horse side by side with

26:32

John Dutton, my close personal friend Kevin Casper.

26:35

You guys are just blazing across

26:37

a field talk about that joy.

26:39

What an amazing experience? Oh

26:41

my god. I

26:41

was a I was a like a

26:43

happy mess after after that that

26:45

day of work, was like, this is my dream. This

26:48

is so much fun because it's such,

26:50

like, standing next to or

26:52

riding next to a

26:54

a movie cowboy, cinema cowboy

26:57

legend. And getting

26:59

to do something like that, it

27:01

was like the most that's

27:04

exactly who who you dream of doing

27:06

it with on a horse that you dream of

27:08

riding in a place that you dream of being

27:10

in, of riding in, and it was such

27:12

a treat. It was like, I couldn't when I

27:14

read that, I was

27:15

screaming. I was like, I can't wait to

27:17

do this. I'm so excited.

27:19

It was so much fun. What what

27:21

a what a neat thing. Mhmm. What

27:23

a cool experience to go back and forth and

27:25

to go back and forth alongside

27:27

Kevin Cummings there. You know, is there stuff that you've or

27:31

experiences you've had, things you've learned from

27:33

working with Kevin, you've worked with him, you know, not

27:35

to be jealous but you worked with him more in

27:37

one season than the rest of us have in

27:39

five. So I hope you had a great time.

27:40

Yeah. I had an amazing time. No. It was I

27:43

did have an amazing time. I

27:45

am I felt very sneaky in that

27:48

capacity. I was like, how is it that I just get to

27:50

follow him around and hang out with him all the

27:52

time? This is amazing.

27:54

But I I he is

27:56

so he takes the work so seriously

27:59

across the board, and I think feeling

28:01

like something that was such

28:03

a gift is even just coming in, you

28:05

know, and being new and and,

28:07

you know, being in the position

28:09

that I was in. I feel like

28:13

he was so open and wanted

28:15

to talk about what we

28:17

were doing and what it

28:18

meant. Did you have extra nerves going into

28:21

this because it was Kevin? And then did you

28:23

find that his sort of nerdy

28:25

is the wrong word I

28:26

mean, as a compliment, nerdy focused on the process alleviated

28:29

those nerves. Howard Bauchner:

28:30

Completely, I think I think I was

28:32

absolutely terrified. And you

28:35

never know. When you when it's

28:37

somebody who you're working with who you've watched

28:39

your entire life, you you

28:42

don't know what

28:44

they're going to be like. And and what

28:46

not just as a person, but in a work environment,

28:48

like, what did they need? What kind of space did

28:50

they need? What kind of you know,

28:52

sensitive they to what's going on around them.

28:55

And I think I

28:57

was really worried, but his

28:59

first of all, he's so charming and and

29:01

second of all, he was so

29:03

welcoming and kind. It was it

29:05

was very disarming and it was very

29:07

it made me sort of go, 0II

29:10

can I can relax a

29:12

little bit. But it took me, like, days

29:14

of working. I was like, have they

29:16

I'm the first few scenes we

29:17

shot, I was like, like, I I

29:20

was curled into a ball because

29:22

I was so nervous about

29:24

that I

29:24

was talking to him. So I

29:26

think Those are, like, dramaturgically valid

29:29

nerves. Right. Like, I guess that that's what's

29:31

so cool about this is in real life

29:33

you're going back and forth between two

29:36

jobs. And in the show,

29:38

Yellowstone, you're meeting that your new

29:40

boss who is kind of dragging you back forth

29:42

between two very distinct worlds.

29:44

What a cool thing? I mean, you know, the

29:46

the respect that you feel for

29:49

Kevin isn't so different from the respect that

29:51

Clara feels for

29:51

Johnson. Like,

29:52

I've no doubt that she's intimidated by

29:54

him. Mhmm. Like, when Mira is sitting at

29:56

the dinner table next to Kelly

29:59

Riley next to these other act like the

30:01

anxiety that you might experience

30:03

as an actor lines up perfect

30:05

with the anxiety that the character

30:06

experiences. Well, I got so lucky. There are very

30:08

few scenarios in which my unbridled

30:11

anxiety is actually relevant

30:14

to this story that that

30:16

I'm telling.

30:17

It's amazing. I've appreciated that for five years

30:19

on Yellowstone now because Jimmy is always a fucking

30:21

nervous because he doesn't know what he's doing --

30:22

Perfect. -- which is perfect. Perfect.

30:24

It's perfect. You're like saying, let's

30:26

go. Lilli, thank you so much for taking the

30:28

time to chat with us today. I cannot wait

30:30

to see what is in next in

30:32

store for

30:33

Clara. I can't wait to see what's next in

30:35

store for you. I'm a big, big fan.

30:37

I Likewise. Thank you so much for having

30:40

me, you guys. It was so fun. And,

30:42

Lily, you're amazing on the show. I know

30:44

I text you that, but we will

30:46

say so everybody hears it.

30:48

Thanks. You are phenomenal on

30:50

it. Dido, big

30:52

time to both of y'all. We

30:56

are looking forward to next week's Yellowstone mid

30:59

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31:01

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