0:00

Ozzy, so I get a phone call. Come

0:03

and hang out at the Osborne's podcast.

0:07

Where's your family? No one's... They're

0:10

all around the planet somewhere. Is

0:12

this the Osborne? It's

0:14

this week. It's just me, Bob. Yeah.

0:19

Crazy. Hey,

0:22

but that's how it goes. I

0:25

need to go to a happier place. I

0:28

feel romantic. Did half Ozzy. Just

0:30

go to bed, darling. Ah!

0:34

All right, change the subject. How

0:37

are you? Oh, all right. I

0:39

cannot... Well, actually, I can believe,

0:41

because I've been around long enough, that

0:44

you get the phone call and I'm

0:46

like, yeah, sure, I'll come out. And

0:48

then it all changes and here we

0:50

are. I need a badge that says

0:52

Honorary Osborne. Right? You're my

0:54

other son. That's exactly... I get the

0:56

call when you need your other son.

0:59

Oh, my God. But

1:01

thank you for having me here. You're

1:04

welcome. It's funny. Now, they

1:06

took it away. I liked that you

1:08

had that red button. Oh, yeah. But

1:11

when I used to interrupt... But

1:15

you do that anyway. I'm

1:19

16 days off

1:21

cigarettes. Congratulations. I don't know when this is

1:23

going to air, but 16 days... I'm

1:26

out of my mind, Ozzy. Don't...

1:29

Just accept it. If you've gone

1:31

16 days, you've done it. Yeah,

1:35

but up here is still really difficult. Let

1:38

go. You know, it's got to let go.

1:40

I know. But it was time and I do

1:43

feel... I feel good. I feel a bit weird.

1:46

It's... But I've

1:48

always been weird. How long were you

1:51

smoking out here? 40-something

1:53

years. How old were you when you

1:56

started? I mean, I probably

1:58

smoked my first cigarette at 10. Yes,

2:01

you know I mean, but it got really

2:03

like a pack and a half a day.

2:05

Yeah, mind you you you were

2:07

heavy When

2:09

it took me a long while to go Switch

2:13

from one to the other path. I

2:15

had the pattern. I was smoking with

2:17

batteries on course Because

2:20

you were it stopped. It

2:22

stopped getting give me the kick.

2:25

I remember. Yeah So

2:27

I did that charge, you know, yeah

2:29

And then now the worst thing I

2:31

ever did was to go in all

2:33

them lights for us I

2:35

smoked ten times more light because they're light

2:37

and you can't taste them. You don't get

2:39

you don't get a kick Oh,

2:41

I was I mean, I just

2:44

watching that Dave Chappelle upstairs. Did

2:46

you watch the new one? Yes,

2:49

brilliant. Yeah absolutely brilliant He's

2:52

a heavy spot you see his earlier says

2:55

oh, yeah smoking all this but Voices

2:58

gone. Yeah, deep in that special.

3:01

He actually says I'm gonna walk

3:03

off stage But I'm

3:05

not going anywhere. I'm just gonna get a cigarette. Yeah

3:09

It's a very funny man. Yeah.

3:11

Yeah, I enjoyed that special. Yeah,

3:14

you know, it's the same as

3:16

I With heroin,

3:18

you know, everyone knows we've spoken about it a

3:20

million times I was heroin addict

3:22

and in England they used to give you

3:24

methadone. Yeah to come off the heroin Yeah

3:27

But people say that's more addictive Well it is

3:29

but it also doesn't work because they give you

3:31

the methadone and then you still go and get

3:33

the heroin Yeah, so now you're on both of

3:35

it. Suddenly, I know who used to do deals

3:38

getting giving

3:40

junkies Methadone

3:43

for smath me That

3:48

was me yeah, so, you know, it's one Charging

3:52

which is why I woke up

3:55

Whatever day was 16 16

3:57

days ago. I woke up and I just went I'm

4:00

done. And I

4:02

just... That's what

4:04

happened with me. I

4:07

never ever thought I would quit

4:09

smoking. I never thought... I

4:12

like the fucking... It's really weird.

4:16

I like the whole deal. Well

4:18

I was watching something the other day that you were in. And

4:21

across the screen flashes a clip

4:24

of you smoking and it's so

4:26

weird watching it. I mean, I

4:28

would switch... I'd

4:30

cigar, patch it, every fucking thing

4:33

I do. Well, you're a good

4:35

alcoholic addict, you know. If you do

4:37

something, you do it well. But

4:40

it never ends because it goes to sex.

4:43

You've got some sex to fucking...

4:46

It goes across the... Anything

4:48

we like doing is unfortunate

4:51

for us. We

4:54

don't do it in small amounts.

4:56

How did you do touring when

4:59

you were really at it? Oh,

5:02

fucking hell. How do you go around... I

5:04

was talking to someone we were talking about

5:06

recently. I can remember

5:10

going to Biloxi, Mississippi

5:13

where we drugged... Where there is no drugs. Oh,

5:16

yeah, there's fucking drugs. Oh, there is?

5:18

Oh, yeah. Okay, all right, go on.

5:20

I drove through the

5:23

night. I was drinking heavily.

5:26

And there was 24-hour bars. We

5:29

had three days off. Oh, God,

5:31

that's a terrible idea. I got off the

5:33

bus, strung to the bar, which is next

5:36

to the hotel. And there

5:38

I was for three days doing blow. They had 24-hour bars. Oh,

5:41

yeah, 24. Oh, my God, what a terrible idea.

5:43

And then on the fourth day, I had a gig and

5:45

I was fucking... I remember a

5:47

guy on stage and I was talking so fucking all

5:49

over. I was fucking dead. Yeah,

5:52

it's a completely different thing with touring

5:54

when you're using. But I never did

5:57

it on stage. Very

6:00

rarely do when I'm stage loading. Did you

6:02

do the thing, so I'm not going to

6:05

name the names, but I've got a couple

6:07

of people in my life who say, I

6:09

never drink before the show. No. Right?

6:12

But you're so pickle. Exactly.

6:16

But

6:19

it was disrespectful to go on

6:21

stage loading. And you never did

6:23

that? Very rarely. There

6:26

were occasions when I did. But

6:29

you know, it's the only one thing.

6:32

I mean, the thing about being on the road,

6:34

you've got a lot of time to kill. Yeah. Especially

6:38

if you've got a day on and day off. Well,

6:40

that's the worst because the day off, you do

6:42

whatever you're going to do and then the

6:45

hangover is on the gig day. It's

6:47

time you've got to kill. Did you ever

6:50

do a show on acid? Yes.

6:52

Did you really? Do you know, I don't

6:54

think I've ever done that. I was all

6:56

heroin. Is

6:59

it weird? It's not fun. You

7:03

don't know what you're doing. But,

7:06

God, I wish I could watch a

7:08

video of the show where I know

7:10

you're on acid because you must have

7:12

still sung. You know, you

7:15

still were at the mic. I

7:17

might not have sung. I

7:20

remember once in the early days, I was

7:22

at a load in Mummy's through Hamburg. You

7:25

have the mic on your chin and you sing. You

7:28

sing? That's brilliant. Listen,

7:32

so when I was really young, Tony

7:35

and I, I remember we were doing an anvil.

7:39

He used to play a flute. He got the flute

7:41

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7:44

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9:06

eye to every to be normal.

9:08

I'm about twenty years, nineteen or

9:10

twenty and we were on tour

9:13

in the Uk and I was

9:15

complaining of i was in a

9:17

lot plane and the rest the

9:19

my band will eyes is just

9:21

sit he just. Needs his heroin.

9:23

Turns out it was appendicitis of

9:26

what I rush me to the

9:28

hospital and and I was cotton

9:30

within a three four hours. but

9:32

I just thought I was. You

9:34

know how to. Redo

9:38

Get and things happen when we loaded.

9:41

Do things do tend to happen when

9:43

melodious? Yeah. And then we

9:45

want to know the things that we would

9:47

ever happen to know. Boy Brew? Yeah right,

9:49

Normal shit happens even when we use enough.

9:52

but it's. It. Was always went,

9:54

always use in it was a real hassle

9:56

to school. Because. all know

9:58

it's a thing about more You

10:01

don't live for the gig, you live for the

10:04

reward after the gig. Yeah, yeah.

10:07

It's been different since you got sober, it's been a lot

10:10

better than me. Yeah, yeah, it's been a lot better than

10:12

me. I don't,

10:14

it's just a job, it's what I do now. I

10:17

can't, I'm working after, I haven't been

10:19

on a gig now for five years,

10:22

which is driving me fucking crazy. Yeah, I'm sure.

10:25

I'm sure. But

10:27

Ozzy, you definitely are looking so

10:29

much better. Yeah, but it's just

10:31

slow, I've just come back from

10:33

the doctor today, blood clots

10:36

have gone, everything's back to normal.

10:38

The leg thing? I'm just gonna, I'm gonna look.

10:40

It's great. I know, I can

10:42

bend my neck a bit better. Yeah, you're a

10:44

hundred percent different to what you were, I

10:47

don't know, when it first all started kicking, I

10:49

was really scared. I've just got to get my

10:51

balance going now. Yeah,

10:53

yeah. When we were touring together

10:56

before, where would you say really

10:59

was special for you to play? Oh,

11:02

I mean, LA, New

11:04

York, London, Birmingham,

11:07

Tokyo, Sydney.

11:10

So all of it. I mean, the

11:13

major cities, but the, but

11:15

it, it, it, it, it, it, it

11:18

got, my stage fright, you know,

11:20

over the years, it was getting

11:22

worse and worse. And

11:25

I think I'd suck myself into

11:27

losing my voice. I

11:29

remember that. I remember talking to

11:31

you in the quick change halfway through and you

11:33

are so hard on yourself.

11:36

I know, but it's strange, isn't it? How

11:38

we're, we're tough on ourselves. It

11:41

got worse and worse. And so, you

11:44

would, you would do it to yourself. Now

11:47

we're talking about it. I mean, I couldn't say

11:49

that at the time. Oh no. I

11:51

watched you do it. I'm in the fair, I'm in the fair, I'm in the fair. I

11:53

watched you do it. And then you'd go out

11:55

and then you'd fuck up a song and then you'd come

11:57

back in, you'd go, I told you. I

12:00

was going to do that. I don't know.

12:02

But before the gig, it wouldn't start just

12:04

before the gig. It would start from

12:06

the moment I woke up in the morning. I

12:08

was going to fall off tonight. And I would

12:10

be thinking that all fucking day. And you always

12:13

had that. To

12:15

a certain degree, I mean, every single must have

12:17

that. But as

12:19

I got older, it got worse and worse. Right.

12:23

It really got worse and worse and worse.

12:26

I mean, to the point I

12:28

was, I'd be fucking insane by the

12:30

end. Sharon would go,

12:33

look at me. I'd

12:35

go, don't fucking. Yeah. But

12:39

it gets, everything gets harder

12:41

as you get older, obviously.

12:44

Even the travel gets harder when you

12:46

get older. I mean,

12:49

the bus journeys got,

12:52

you know, when you got a bus journey, when

12:54

I was to drink, it was great because of it. You

12:57

could drink all fucking night and day. Right.

13:00

I'd do a dig on, day off, gig on. So

13:03

I'd get out of high stage, run straight to

13:05

the bus, go through the night. But

13:07

that got old. And I

13:09

said, if you want me to

13:12

keep going out there, I can't do my bus

13:14

anymore. That

13:16

happened with us too. You

13:18

know, Idol loves being idle. But

13:21

we need to tour in a way that he

13:24

can be idle. You can't do

13:26

five in a row off a bus tour. You

13:28

just can't do it when you get older. You

13:31

need the rest. You've got to

13:33

be kind. I'll refuse.

13:35

I think Billy got the plane

13:37

thing from you, quite frankly, because

13:39

I remember when we first

13:41

started, Sab... It's

13:44

not that expensive, Lincoln. It actually isn't

13:46

when you do the math. And here's

13:48

what was happening. We were out in

13:51

buses when Sab... Do you remember when

13:53

I did that one year where I

13:56

was on tour with Billy Idol, but then

13:58

we'd finish in Stockholm and then I... I'd

14:00

fly out and meet you on the

14:02

boat. Yeah, Mexico. It was crazy. And

14:05

obviously when I would go back to the

14:07

Billy Idol tour, I'd say, well, you know,

14:09

we're lucky with the Aussie tour, the Black

14:11

Saboteurs, we got planes. And

14:13

I think the light bulbs were going off

14:15

because now it's planes. And

14:18

it works. I went

14:20

to South America. Yeah.

14:23

When we were throwing that bubble gun. When Lemmy was

14:26

on the plane, do you remember that? Yeah.

14:28

I missed Lemmy. Yeah.

14:31

But that was... I missed Lemmy then. I know.

14:33

It was his birthday not so long ago. But

14:36

that, flying to South America with

14:38

you, because when we went the

14:41

one time, it was only me and you

14:43

on the fucking plane. Yeah, I know. It

14:45

was amazing. And that... But were

14:48

you on the plane when we had to talk to

14:50

the fucking best? Four-foot... Yes. And

14:52

she tucked me in and I went,

14:55

good night. And then she woke me

14:57

up. We're landing in Rio. I went

14:59

down to Rio or

15:01

some moments when I got on the plane, got

15:05

in bed and I went to a sleeping

15:07

alley. I woke up in

15:09

Maxfield. That was the trip. We went to

15:11

Rio. And you had the back one. You

15:13

went up the back of the plane. And

15:16

then the woman's coming round with coffee. We're

15:18

landing in 10 minutes in Rio. That's

15:21

the way to fly. Never used to be like

15:23

that for me. No.

15:28

It's a better way of doing it. It

15:30

works for us now as well. But

15:33

Tommy Clafita's my drummer. He

15:35

fucking hates flying. I know.

15:38

I know. He's sitting there like

15:40

that. He said, hey, you know what's

15:42

weird? Eric, our drummer hates flying. Maybe

15:44

it's a drummer thing. Yeah,

15:46

Bill Ward used to hate flying. Did he

15:49

really? Oh yeah. Do you

15:51

know, do you remember that airline Aeroflot?

15:54

Yes. So the last flight I

15:56

ever did on Aeroflot, it was

15:58

still a smoking airline. Yeah. And

16:00

I'm just thinking how it used to be

16:02

like I was in the back of air

16:04

a flop puffing away and

16:07

there's no there's not even a curtain. But

16:10

I remember getting on a fucking

16:13

plane and it would be a

16:15

smoke seat non smoking seat the

16:17

smoke seat another and these

16:20

fucking English accent I don't know

16:23

his name. I had

16:25

his family on the plane and I was

16:27

telling you you got all the smoking seats

16:29

so he wouldn't have to

16:31

sit in the room. Yeah, all his family

16:34

had the smoking seats. None of them spoke

16:37

so you like to sit in the non

16:39

smoking seat. So you

16:42

did that because these kids were

16:44

on the plane. Yeah, so he wouldn't

16:47

the whole of the first class cabin was

16:49

non smoking. How did they ever rationalize

16:53

that if that row of seats is

16:55

smoking now this one is not

16:57

smoking. I'm fucked if I stop here. Yeah.

17:02

Oh, that's all right. So I'm not gonna

17:04

get cancer sitting here. You know, it was

17:07

ridiculous, but I can't

17:09

believe that that used to be the

17:12

case. I remember the flight I was

17:14

flying from Bangkok

17:17

to London on air

17:19

a flop. It was the worst flight because

17:21

the waitress tripped over through an

17:23

orange juice all over me and then

17:25

looked at me and went. I

17:30

can remember getting got we did a

17:33

Japanese tour with the

17:36

flight from Tokyo to

17:38

LA. I'd

17:40

been to Elaine and so we had to wait.

17:42

We got there like early in the morning. We

17:46

had to fucking wait till 6 o'clock that

17:48

evening. I was

17:50

trying to I was when I was early

17:53

skis sobriety. Yeah, I

17:55

think was Tokyo Airport was fucking

17:58

million thousands of. in

18:00

Japanese people. It's huge, isn't it? It's so good.

18:03

I said to my old sister, fuck

18:06

you. And the airline gave

18:08

us all a tick, we could

18:10

get three drinks in the

18:13

back. And all

18:15

the crew, everybody went, I was just fucked, I

18:17

went through. It's

18:20

been from 9 o'clock in the morning to

18:22

6 o'clock in the evening. In the first

18:24

class lounge. And it was fucking

18:27

chock-a-block with Japanese people, the airport was.

18:29

6 o'clock come, and I'll get on

18:31

his plane. His plane had come from

18:34

fucking some other

18:36

country. And I'll get on his

18:38

plane. And he's a woman. All

18:41

the band went upstairs on the

18:43

seven boards. Apart from me

18:45

and Tony. I went in there in

18:47

this place down in the first class

18:49

lounge. And there's this

18:51

fucking drunken woman. She was

18:54

a fucking legless. She

18:56

comes to me, and

18:59

it's like, what

19:01

the fuck is it? She clocks me.

19:05

And she comes up to me, she's walking

19:07

around. She comes to me and

19:09

she goes, Which one are

19:12

you, a madly crew? Oh,

19:14

God, no, really. So

19:17

then my sister goes, well,

19:20

I said, Tony, just tell her to fuck off. So

19:23

she goes, no, you can't do it. I said,

19:26

Tony, just tell her to fuck off. So

19:28

I ended up telling her to fuck off. She

19:32

goes nuts at me. The stewardess comes to me and

19:34

says, you can't use that color line.

19:36

I said, fucking don't tell her to sleep down.

19:39

She's going, you have a drink. I

19:41

said, if I have a drink, we

19:43

won't get anywhere. Yeah.

19:46

I was just looking at her. She

19:50

goes, asleep. She's

19:52

having a dinner now. She's

19:56

leaning to the one side. She

19:58

really looks back. and he goes, actually,

20:01

three and a half, she's

20:04

face down and had dinner. The

20:08

next morning when we landed,

20:10

Honolulu got more people. She

20:13

comes up to me,

20:15

she's got peas, carrots, and

20:20

she's like, I don't know what you're going to say,

20:23

just go on your

20:25

way. At

20:29

least you said sorry. Have

20:32

you ever been kicked off a plane? What?

20:35

Have you ever been kicked off a plane? It's

20:37

scooted off, you know? Oh, yeah. Oh, you

20:40

have? Many times. Like

20:42

it's like getting on a bus for you.

20:45

I mean, me and Shmee,

20:47

in the early days, me and Shari

20:49

were my soul, I think. Me

20:51

and Shari and Ronnie were the fucking three-nottos.

20:58

Randy never drank much. I mean,

21:01

on YouTube, there was a

21:04

lot of diary

21:06

with Matt and I mean, I said to

21:08

Shari, is he on the bus?

21:11

He was such a good player.

21:13

Oh, yeah. Oh, my God. I

21:15

mean, I was listening to that

21:17

album the other day. It's absolutely

21:19

amazing. But he wasn't a

21:21

drinker, right? He didn't

21:24

smoke cigarettes. All

21:27

the smoke. Did he? But it

21:29

was different back then with the smoking.

21:31

I mean, everyone's Bowie smoked, everyone's smoked.

21:35

You know, it's just

21:37

different. You're saying to me earlier on,

21:39

tobacco companies got away with absolute murder.

21:41

Oh, 100%. The tobacco

21:44

companies knew, even

21:46

when they were bringing cigarettes out, they

21:48

knew what it was going to do.

21:51

I think Natkin Cole's wife sued one

21:54

of them. Did

21:56

she win? I believe, I

21:58

can't remember whether she one

22:00

or not. Why can't

22:02

people sue them more?

22:06

I'm f**king f**king not because ... Because you

22:08

would think in this country especially ... I

22:10

mean they put a lot of people in

22:13

the ground, you know. Right. They

22:15

must ... I'm not sure why you can't

22:17

sue big tobacco. Because

22:21

on the box ... Oh, because

22:23

of the disclaimer, that's right. They

22:26

really did sue. Can

22:31

you remember when they all stood up

22:33

in f**king ... government thing?

22:36

Yeah, yeah, parliament. Yeah,

22:39

yeah. In Ireland, it's bad and hard.

22:41

I saw them just go to tobacco.

22:44

He's non-addictive. Yeah. Yeah,

22:46

f**k. But they did that with

22:48

OxyContin and all that kind of stuff, you know.

22:51

But it's just like the OxyContin. It's

22:55

out of control. Seattle and San Francisco,

22:57

it's out of control. F**king nuts. Yeah.

23:01

I'm very grateful that that wasn't around

23:03

when I was taking drugs. But there's

23:05

other things. The same ... like

23:08

down in Percocet. Yeah, there was.

23:10

But none of it killed

23:12

people as easily as fentanyl. You

23:16

know what I mean? Not f**king ...

23:19

OxyContin. No, but I'm saying the fentanyl,

23:21

I'm glad that wasn't there when I

23:23

was here. It's in everything now. I'm

23:26

so glad that I

23:28

don't use anymore. Right. If that had

23:31

been around when you and I were

23:33

using drugs, we would be dead for

23:35

sure. Absolutely. I can't

23:37

remember where it was. I think it was Canada,

23:39

Montreal. We

23:41

were driving from the airport to

23:44

the gig and there was all

23:46

these people standing still, like

23:49

eyes closed, like nodding out. And

23:52

it's known, the fentanyl, it

23:54

gives them this nod where they're standing up.

24:00

Born in. Poland. Is

24:02

bad it's smoking everywhere. Nash

24:04

boy ah so so sometimes

24:06

over he raised the com

24:08

be very good business sense.

24:11

With. No Know that kill your customers.

24:14

But. As directed people addicted supposed to

24:16

are now. but then we you and

24:18

I've talked about this is a lot.

24:20

There was that drug crocker deal that

24:22

we was. I watched a documentary whoa

24:25

now I can't get my head around

24:27

a crocodile light. when you tie get

24:29

your limbs fall off right if you

24:31

if is for a long. Also Bravo

24:33

rots your body from the inside and

24:35

people have got see the of fuckin

24:37

just fell off. How

24:40

would you do that have? Why would

24:42

you do that? And that's coming from

24:44

someone who would show up Any sin.

24:46

But is this is that? They're never

24:49

arm gems. I'm on. I know of

24:51

the Loop. Yeah, those were or remember.

24:54

As his bosses was was

24:56

cool. Like

24:58

you said, oh man. so to. A

25:01

new death experience. As

25:03

clever yeah, I dunno and near death

25:06

I want to get enough. Or

25:09

the like that the if of net

25:11

a toy with that server is you

25:13

drown New School recently. That.

25:16

They have a drowning in these

25:18

parts of all Matthew Perry. See.

25:20

To come to them are making as

25:22

I was friends with Matthew yeah not

25:25

all went to a doctor a his

25:27

his his show on Us soil on

25:29

cats were alone. Winds

25:31

of Build Custom and it's a

25:33

horse tranquilizer. A nice is

25:35

no you know A.you don't get about

25:38

you bush who is is elses service

25:40

save it was a little bit easier

25:42

but as soon as he when he

25:44

my sister moment. All.

25:46

soft these got on with a list

25:48

of as you get that yeah that

25:51

is like and seven that i know

25:53

a lot of it out know what

25:55

are we tried it how did he

25:57

give a chain of pills or of

26:00

I think he went high there. I've

26:02

been. So it went in quick and

26:04

you remember that. I got

26:07

that minute

26:10

microduct, but I

26:12

knew I could get

26:14

a... You knew

26:16

it. You knew it. No, not for me. Ozzy,

26:19

look, I'm

26:21

the same. This whole

26:23

alcoholism disease concept. I'm

26:26

the same. I just went up to your kitchen and

26:28

I know it's not the same as fucking fentanyl

26:31

or whatever, but I opened your chocolate

26:33

drawer. Right. Any

26:36

normal person goes, oh, chocolate and

26:38

takes one. Right. I

26:41

look at your chocolate drawer like I'm never going

26:43

to eat again. Like it's

26:45

contraband. I'm going, oh, I need

26:47

two flakes. I need three of

26:49

them. I need four. Oh yeah.

26:52

I'll do that with something. If I like

26:54

it. I'm sensitive, compulsive, just fucking right. I

26:56

want it all and I want

26:59

all of yours. As well. You know what I'm

27:01

saying? I remember in New York, where

27:03

the fuck you... I was insane. There's a saying

27:05

that I love. Um, people say,

27:07

Oh, what drug did you use? What was your

27:10

drug of choice? Yours.

27:13

Whatever you've got. That's

27:16

what I want. Now

27:19

I don't know what to get up to. Now

27:21

there's all these different shit out there. Well, that's

27:24

what, that's where I was going with the fentanyl

27:26

thing. It's different. Everything is different. Do

27:29

you remember? I think that every self raised the bar, don't

27:31

know. Yeah. Do

27:33

you remember when, when we were at school, right?

27:37

If there was a fight in the school

27:39

playground, it was fish to cuffs. Yeah. Right.

27:42

Now it's guns and shot

27:45

dead. The last

27:47

big, um, drug

27:50

epidemic that was going on when I was using

27:52

was crack. Did you, did

27:54

you ever smoke crack? No. You didn't know?

27:57

So, so we've. You

28:00

know it was only ever snorting it look at

28:02

me. I'm getting excited because we're talking about drugs

28:05

It never leaves me even though I'm

28:07

28 years So

28:10

crack was the last thing that

28:12

I stumbled upon It

28:15

was I someone showed me how to

28:17

make it From

28:19

powder. Yeah, thank you. Oh, yeah, and

28:21

it's a hole you put it in

28:23

water and you hate it and it

28:25

was like a it was

28:27

very attractive to me the process. Oh, yeah, it

28:30

was like a Like

28:32

a laboratory type thing. Yeah, yeah, it's

28:34

tubes But

28:36

man that that shit brought me to my

28:38

knees. Oh I know

28:41

it's a good job. I never did it. Yeah, that's

28:43

what I was I asked because I think someone like

28:45

it brought me I Was

28:48

all right on the heroin

28:50

and maybe a bit of cocaine and I was

28:52

I wasn't all right But I wasn't dying and

28:55

the moment crack came along It

29:00

just ruined anything

29:02

else anything that I had going it was

29:04

talking about crack. Yes. That's a good That

29:08

is a good song about we did It's

29:12

not a song what we

29:14

wrote. It's called crack cocaine.

29:16

Yeah But you know

29:18

about crack cocaine well, that was the

29:20

genius thing about your lyrics It

29:23

was really clever Aussie and I'm not just

29:25

blowing smoke because you said to me I've

29:27

written the lyrics for this song It's called

29:29

crack cocaine and I was like, oh

29:32

fucking hell. That's that's not gonna get any radio

29:34

play is it? But it

29:36

was really clever About

29:41

a guy who has got a move or had

29:43

one of these, you know past yeah, yeah You

29:47

don't you don't go relationship

29:49

with a girl And

29:52

you you can't you you

29:54

can't stop thinking about it. Yeah. Well

29:57

and also to

29:59

me when I read you lyrics. It's

30:01

like you said, I put you

30:03

down and pick you up again

30:05

like crack cocaine. It's like that

30:07

relationship when I was younger, I

30:09

had, they weren't relationships,

30:13

but they were girls that I

30:15

knew that were clearly not

30:19

relationship material, but

30:21

you'd have a go and

30:23

then you'd put them down and then a week later

30:25

you're like, ah, fuck it. And you'd call again and

30:28

even though you knew it was going to be crazy,

30:30

right? It was brilliant. And

30:32

I love the song and that's

30:34

coming out in a few weeks time. So

30:36

I'm sure we'll talk more about that. What's

30:41

the new year holding for you, Ozzy?

30:46

Or is that difficult to talk about?

30:48

No, I'm not seeing so many

30:51

doctors anymore. I've

30:54

naturally, over an hour I go parking

30:56

and stuff, you see the parking and stuff. But

30:59

I'm not having surgery or all

31:03

that. How was the

31:05

last, so you had that one

31:07

last surgery at the doctor's site?

31:10

When I came out of surgery, I said

31:12

to Sharon, whatever I'm going to

31:14

be at right now, that's it. I

31:17

can't have any more surgery. I

31:19

mean, I had seven surgeries in five

31:21

years. Did they give you the propofol?

31:24

Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. I'm

31:28

living vicariously for you. Countdown

31:32

from 199. No,

31:38

I mean, Michael, Michael, just. Yeah.

31:41

Yeah, no shit. But

31:44

the surgery was obviously a success.

31:47

Well, if it wasn't a

31:49

success or whatever, was

31:52

that surgery more on the neck or

31:54

the clots? No, on the neck. The

31:56

neck. So, because you're moving way

31:59

better. I

32:01

mean, it's a slow recovery,

32:04

I'm not as young as I used to be. Right.

32:07

And so recovery of anything

32:09

that's... Ozzy, you just said to me,

32:11

I mean I know, you just celebrated

32:13

71. 75 years

32:16

old. I'm

32:18

75, fuck me, how did I get here?

32:20

You're three quarters of a century old, mate.

32:23

But how did I survive these times? How

32:25

did you get to the 75? I

32:28

mean, I've still got all my

32:30

marbles in my mouth. Because when you were 21, I

32:33

don't think you thought you were going to make

32:35

22. I mean, I'm living on borrowed time. Yeah,

32:38

you're doing great. You look fantastic. So

32:41

I know, talking about the

32:43

new year, I heard on one of the previous

32:46

podcasts, you were saying you were going to get

32:48

back on stage in 2024. I'm going

32:50

to try, my heart is to

32:52

get well enough to do a few years. I'm

32:55

going to say this. A

32:58

year ago, I would have

33:00

said it may take you a bit longer.

33:02

Looking at you as you are now. Do

33:04

you remember when I first had the very

33:06

first surgery and you said to me, oh,

33:08

I thought you were a good... Ozzy,

33:12

after that one, the big

33:15

one where you went over in the

33:17

bedroom. Yeah. And I think I've said

33:19

this to everyone in the family except

33:21

you. I came to

33:23

the hospital. I heard, I got

33:26

the phone call and I came down and

33:28

you'd had the surgery the

33:31

night before, that morning. And when I

33:33

showed up, no one was there. Sharon

33:36

wasn't there. Jack was out somewhere. And

33:39

I walked into that hospital

33:41

room and I

33:47

had to walk out and I called Sharon because

33:50

I was scared we were losing

33:52

you. You were talking

33:54

to me, but I couldn't understand what you were

33:56

saying. Oh, it's normal. I

33:59

mean, more... More than people go,

34:01

oh, how can you understand him? I've

34:03

been around the guy a lot. No,

34:05

it was really scary. And

34:08

I was alone with you. I

34:12

don't think you knew what was

34:15

going on properly, but I

34:17

thought you were leaving

34:20

us. It

34:22

was really bad. And so,

34:24

and that was what, five years ago or something?

34:27

Something went wrong there because

34:30

Jack's got, Jack, my

34:32

son's got a video of

34:34

me going into that surgery saying, well,

34:37

I'll see you in a minute. Wow.

34:40

I came out of there virtually

34:43

crippled. You were. I

34:45

remember the hospital room like

34:48

it was yesterday. It

34:50

was such a heavy experience for everyone. I

34:52

don't know what that surgeon fucking did. It's

34:55

taken me from that, from that one to

34:58

now. But I also said to

35:00

you, if there is anyone I

35:02

know in it I've ever met

35:04

that can beat this and fight

35:06

it, it's you. I've always

35:08

said that. I mean, I mean, five years

35:10

is a long time to recover. It

35:13

is. I've had six

35:15

more surgeries to put right where that

35:17

guy was. Yeah, to fix it. But

35:19

Ozzy, it's great to see you looking

35:21

so good. And I hope you are

35:24

right. You

35:26

get back on stage. Yeah, I need

35:28

to. Maybe we'll just

35:30

get you to jump up and do a song. Get

35:32

you get you in slow. Yeah. Well,

35:34

Zach, Zach said, you know,

35:37

Zach, Zach Saba. Yeah. Come

35:40

on, sing one of your songs. Yeah, you just pop

35:42

up, you sing a song that will get you back

35:44

and put your toe in the water again. Yeah. I

35:46

think that's that's it for this show, right? This

35:49

show was called The Osborne. Because

35:53

no one else showed up. But

35:56

thank you for having me. Thank you for

35:58

coming, Billy. Of course. I would

36:00

have been talking to myself

36:02

otherwise. Oh that's next

36:05

week's show. You're gonna talk to

36:07

yourself for an hour.