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Hey everyone,

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good morning and happy Tuesday, April

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30th, last day of this

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tax month, thankfully, behind us. Tomorrow

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we start May, springtime, May,

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I mean, nothing says springtime like May.

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May's warm, almost summer even,

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but just nice big weather, so I'm looking forward

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to that. We got some months

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up today. This taxi doesn't really seem to make an impact on

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you, Matt. You've been talking about it a lot recently. Taxes?

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Yeah. Yeah, I don't know

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why I did, because I got some money back, I actually

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got a nice direct deposit in my account this weekend. No,

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good. And it was really a nice, pleasant experience. I don't

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know why. It's one of these things that

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I don't know what to talk about. But

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anyway, as I was saying, we got the vegan cheese scandal. This

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is a pretty big deal. In the

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Washington Post, long exposé, maybe not

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exposé, but long story about a vegan

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cheese that won a contest among all

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the other cheeses, including the many non-plant-based

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versions, only to

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be disqualified later under some fishy

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circumstances. So we'll talk about

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that, as well as a

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new oatly gem that I've

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uncovered today. I mean, I don't know

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what to say about it. I don't want to spoil it. We'll get to it in

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a minute, but you

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can probably guess what the

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theme is. Anyway, Doug,

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we're both a little sick today. How

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are you holding up now? I'm doing all right.

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My energy is back, which is good. I

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just sound a little funky, and I've been coughing

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a bit. So if I cough, I apologize. And

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if I sound a little funny, I have

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a cough drop in my mouth to help prevent

1:38

the cough. It might actually be

1:40

making you sound funny. I mean, I

1:42

can't tell anything except I can hear that you have a cough

1:44

drop. But

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it may or may not be

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a coincidence. I mean, in fact,

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I know it's not a coincidence. My family had

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a cold before I got it. It

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was going around the house. But... Saturday

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I ate way

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more vegan meat than I have in a long

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time and I woke up Sunday six so it's

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possible there's some sort of a Yeah

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causation or just correlation. I'm not sure but

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Hey, who knows I mean, I doubt this stuff

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made you sick But it's possible that eating

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too much of that junk food puts extra

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demands on your body Doesn't give it the

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nutrients it needs to bite things and you

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become You know, you're

2:27

you're vulnerable to illness. I got to running an

2:30

ultra marathon for example. So, yeah, I

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Actually had similar circumstances that made me sick. I

2:36

went to this thing on Friday It was a

2:38

party up in New Jersey, which I almost spoiled

2:40

a surprise. It was a surprise 75th birthday

2:42

party Months of planning went

2:44

into it to invite all these people It

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was in New Jersey and we were coming from South Carolina That's how

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big this party was and I said it

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on the show and the woman whose birthday was listening

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to the show often So

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I still don't know for sure that I didn't spoil it

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she looked like she was very surprised and she said she

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was But she also

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she told me that she saw the Instagram thing

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that we put out that morning the story

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and just didn't think Hopefully

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she really didn't but I was actually scared for

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like 24 hours. I was thinking that I'm Do

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you think she did have a person who would tell you if

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you guys for the surprise or not? I don't

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really know I just because so much planning went

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into it I kind of think she wouldn't I'd

3:25

say anything to anyone ever maybe because

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Of her you know, her husband Yeah,

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so that's a little scary But anyway, I

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went to that party and we came home from New

3:36

Jersey the very next morning So it was like less

3:38

than 24 hour flight and we were out late and

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drinking wine and stuff So I slept like I

3:43

mean four hours or something woke up to my dad

3:45

My dog had eaten the other dogs medicine at like

3:48

620 all this So when I

3:50

was getting embedded and Whatever was

3:52

130 or two was like, okay Well, I have at least

3:54

till sleep till seven before

3:56

the flight and then phone call comes at 620 and

3:59

we're talking to the poise We just control and

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all that. I mean, at that hour. Yeah.

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And still feeling the wine from there before. So it was

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rough. And then I got sick after that. So I'm not

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really surprised that I got sick being

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susceptible like that, not sleeping, and

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hugging all those people and everything. So

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anyway, feeling better than I know. But it's been, it's

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been almost a whole year since I was sick before.

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And that was the big one, where I got into the Zelda

4:22

to kind of pass the time. And

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I did not get this done. I resisted the urge

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to say, well, I'm just on the couch all day.

4:30

Might as well play some Nintendo Switch. But I didn't do that. Well,

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you know, I was thinking about it. As

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I was, we were debating whether to do this show

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today. Here

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we go. I

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was thinking there were several episodes

4:45

in the first year or so where I was doing exactly

4:47

this. Had the cough drop on my mouth, having trouble talking.

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We haven't had that in a while. So knock on

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wood, we've been healthy. It's good. Yeah.

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I think I told you then not to do the show with

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the cough drop in your mouth. I might have said it's better

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just deal with the scratchy voice.

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It's not the voice. It's the fact that I can't get through

5:06

a sentence without cough. You know, you won't even be able to

5:08

talk without a cough drop in your mouth? Yeah.

5:10

OK. Fair enough. I'm not a

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big cough drop guy. Maybe I don't surprise people. I

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don't like wear sunglasses. There

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we go. And I don't really cough drops. I believe

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they are generally a false thing

5:21

that doesn't actually do anything. Just a

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candy sold to you by the doctors, by the

5:25

medical association, under the

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guise of medicine. I

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do like candy, so. All

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right, guys. Well, we went to a four-year-old birthday party.

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And they grilled a whole bunch of

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meat that had a bunch of

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Beyond sausages that I was not the only

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one eating, which was nice. But

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they cooked, they probably cooked 20 of them. And there

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were maybe like three of us, four of

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us who were eating them. And

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so I had my fair share. I had several of

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them. Really? Very good.

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I had three, I think. Yeah. Oh, my god. Did

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you feel? terrible? No,

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I felt fantastic until the next morning. I had

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gone on a long run that day and I

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was really hungry. I kind of didn't get an

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opportunity to eat much before the Spartan.

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So I came in from the long

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run feeling quite hungry and just went to

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town with a steak. So it was very good. No

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regrets. That's impressive. I don't think

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I've ever had more than one of those because

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they're always, they're very greasy and filling and I'm

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more like, that's not so. Three. Wow. Good.

6:26

Good job. I guess. But not surprised you

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sick. That's probably why now I've revised it.

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I think that caused the sickness. All

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right. Well, let's get to, uh, let's get to

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our show today. We do have some, uh, some

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fun stuff. Interesting weather report. Uh, a

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couple of things that are actually positive. I called the bottom,

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I think on Thursday that

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this is as low as we get in

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this plant based diet world with people hating

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on it all the time. Uh, and

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there happened to be two bits of good news today. So we'll,

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uh, we'll see if this is the beginning

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of change. I was correct about that. Uh,

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but who knows? All

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right. Here we go. Uh, the big one is

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that a new study yet

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another one has shattered the paleo diet

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myth, which for some reason persists despite these

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things coming out. Uh, and

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they found that hunter gatherers ate more

7:16

vegetables than meat. Uh,

7:18

that sounds like very, very general

7:20

statement to make when

7:22

it was really just one place, a cave

7:24

in Morocco inhabited 15,000 years ago, revealed that

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the stone age diet unequivocally, unequivocally had a

7:30

plant based aspect that the world's at the

7:32

article that I found. Uh, so I

7:34

don't know if that really shatters the myth of the

7:36

paleo diet and means that hunter

7:38

gatherers ate more vegetables than meat, but that is,

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that is what a lot of people have, have suggested that

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that is actually what happened. They should be called gatherer hunters.

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Um, because they probably dependably

7:48

ate lots of gathered things. And then when,

7:50

when the opportunity arose, they would eat meat,

7:53

you know, as a whenever they could get it, but

7:55

it, but it might not be that often. Anyway,

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what they found was a acorns, pine nuts,

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and wild pulses made up a significant part

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of the diet of this prehistoric community. And

8:05

in the isotopic analysis of the remains

8:07

allows them to figure out where they

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got their food. They

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said zinc strontium carbon nitrogen sulfur all

8:13

these things somehow that composition reveals what

8:16

the people ate. So I guess

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if you wanted to trick a lot of people, you could just say

8:21

whatever you wanted and you know, cite

8:24

these nutrient mineral compositions

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as like point supplements. There's good

8:28

supplements. They

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could. Maybe they were early first complimentors. Who

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knows? And they said 80%

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of the food eaten by these

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people was plant. That's that's

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what they're saying. So

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yeah, I mean, this is this is cool. They did.

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One person said I would not say the population was

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mainly vegetarian as meat was still consumed. But

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it was not the main dietary resource for protein. So I

8:50

think that's kind of what we all want

8:52

to hear. Well, maybe not. Maybe somebody want to hear

8:55

that humans are not messy meat and we're meant to

8:57

be vegan or vegetarian. But I don't personally believe that.

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But I do believe from from, you know, things I've

9:02

heard before and more and more studies like this, that

9:05

this is probably how we the plants first, the

9:07

meat second, but we did eat all of it. Would

9:10

you say acorns for the other foods? Having

9:15

trouble finding acorns, pine nuts, beyond

9:17

sausages and wild pulses was what

9:19

they made me in the wild

9:22

pulp pulses. I think

9:24

pulses are kind of like legumes,

9:26

right? Maybe a broader category than legumes. I

9:31

guess I would have thought like greens were a bigger part of

9:33

the night. You know,

9:35

green leaves like, yeah, just like different plants that

9:38

you can. Yeah,

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maybe because they'd be low in calories. That would never

9:42

be something that was like at price. I don't know.

9:46

Barries, things like berries and things like that. And

9:49

the things that have a bitter flavor, right? Like, so

9:51

like, I think that bitter flavor was originally meant to

9:53

keep people away, which makes you wonder why are they

9:55

healthy now? Why do we want to eat this? A

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pulse is the edible seed from a like So apparently

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the legume can include like the stems and the pods

10:02

and things but pulse is

10:04

just the seed inside of the you know,

10:07

the bean part of the legume so You

10:09

don't they were in You

10:12

know what legumes grow in the wild Obviously,

10:16

what legumes can you eat fresh like that? Cuz

10:18

a lot of those things you have to cook

10:20

to make them good But I don't like you

10:22

know, I think fava beans. I think I don't

10:24

know if they need anything fresh uh

10:28

Peas right like snow, you know, those kind of peas

10:30

that come in the big pod I think those things are

10:33

edible from from the beginning So

10:36

anyway They may do. Yeah,

10:39

that's a big deal. I don't know. I

10:41

mean, it's just a further insight into what

10:43

our ancestors ate again I'm not one to really

10:45

care much about what our ancestors ate Yeah,

10:50

it shouldn't matter too much like what matters and I say this

10:52

all the time is the long term the data the empirical

10:54

studies is the theory about what we should eat really

10:56

doesn't matter that much if the science says What

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this certain way works whatever this certain way might be But

11:04

you kind of do need both like I realized you

11:06

should have both of those pieces like as far as

11:09

good science goes Like you want that empirical as an

11:11

evidence you also want some the mechanisms or the theoretical

11:13

stuff to kind of support it or underpin

11:15

it and And that's it's good

11:17

to see this for me because I think you know You

11:19

do have I had that voice in my head sometimes like

11:22

a lot of data shows the plant-based diet is very good

11:24

But like isn't it natural for us to eat meat

11:26

and you see some of this stuff and like

11:28

I guess this would still argue That yes, it

11:30

is natural to eat some meat But it

11:33

it makes it seem kind of silly to do the carnivore

11:35

thing or anything like that definitely

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Alright speaking of nomadic hunters and gathers from a

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totally different source this one from morning brew They

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started off by saying shoppers these days

11:48

increasingly resemble nomadic hunters and gatherers roaming

11:50

the land in pursuit of affordable food

11:52

stuff There's

11:54

another tie-in later on to from between two

11:56

articles. They point out the

11:58

grocery prices are up 21%

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over the past three years. That is a big

12:03

increase. And I would say that sounds right. Like

12:05

we, I feel that when I go shopping, I

12:08

can just tell that we are

12:10

paying a lot more for the groceries, you know, down

12:12

to the item. It just seems more expensive than it

12:14

used to be. Average American bought

12:16

food at 20.7 stores

12:18

in this year. That's more than

12:20

we even go to in a typical week. We might hit two or

12:22

three, 20, quite the

12:26

drop. 20 different grocery stores? I

12:29

don't understand. In the year though, not in one week, but

12:31

in the course of a year, they visited 20.7 stores.

12:34

I think that's not... I'm nowhere near that.

12:36

There's no way. Well,

12:39

think about all the times you've traveled, which maybe

12:41

isn't that much. I don't know. But like,

12:43

usually... Okay, travel, sure. Like

12:46

a convenience store, I'm picking up a bag of

12:48

nuts or something like that. Yeah, I don't, I

12:50

don't really know that. It's a good question. It

12:52

just says bought food at 20.7 stores. So yeah,

12:54

it probably does count all that. But

12:57

anyway, that's up from 16.8 in the period

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before that. And couponing is

13:03

back. So are you clipping coupons again?

13:05

Yeah. No, but

13:07

we are... Remember, we are doing, or

13:09

we're doing, kind of quit. It wasn't

13:12

saving much money and way more hassle. But we were trying

13:14

to buy different foods at

13:16

different stores as we searched around what was the cheapest

13:18

option. You know, where to get our beans, where to

13:20

get our whatever. And so we were going to multiple

13:22

stores and, I mean,

13:24

not not coupon shopping, but but similar, I mean,

13:26

kind of chasing the discounts. Yeah.

13:30

And I'm inspired by that conversation. We did the

13:32

exact same thing and kind of looked at the

13:34

different stores that that have

13:37

different things cheaper. It didn't really lead to many big

13:39

changes in our shopping, I don't think, but we did,

13:41

we did try. So

13:44

anyway, that is happening. And

13:47

they are saying so people are couponing twice as much

13:49

as before two thirds of people say they rely on

13:51

coupons. That's hard to believe. I don't know if they're

13:53

talking traditional cut them out or if it's like, I

13:55

just coupons when it's like those ones that are there

13:57

in the store stuck to the package and says here,

13:59

use this. to this register. Those

14:01

I use or Amazon when it's just click this button to

14:03

apply the coupon, I do that. But I

14:05

mean, I can't imagine getting this Sunday,

14:08

you know, bundle of papers and cutting that thing up

14:10

and all that. But who knows? Yeah. I think

14:13

there's apps now that you like, look

14:17

at. Right. Probably apps, coupon apps.

14:19

You know, I pretty much always buy whatever

14:21

someone sell. Like if I'm looking at different

14:24

types of beans or whatever, you know, I'm not

14:26

loyal to a brand. If I'm

14:28

looking for chickpeas, I'll look at whichever one's on sale

14:30

and buy those for sure. Yeah,

14:34

I do the same thing. Or even get a different

14:36

product if it's like something that's half price. Like if I'm

14:38

going to the vegan meat section to get whatever for the

14:40

mostly for the kids, I

14:42

might plan to get one thing. But if something else

14:44

is half price that weekend, which often it is, like

14:47

the guy from frozen falafel this weekend, so not really

14:49

a plant meat. But I

14:51

got those at a great deal and they actually were fantastic. So

14:53

I will definitely shift courses as prices

14:57

present themselves. All

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right. This is another funny one from morning

15:02

group as well. Today is dollar

15:04

dog night at city field and

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they partnered with 97 year

15:08

old Seymour Weiner to

15:11

promote the event. Dollar

15:14

hot dog is not that much of interest to us and

15:16

probably I got those are perfect option.

15:18

But Seymour Weiner, that's just too good of a

15:20

name to not include in the story. And he

15:22

says he was bullied as a kid in

15:25

the younger days or at least made fun of maybe

15:27

not bullied, maybe modern terms, bullied, but not in the

15:29

old days. It wasn't called that.

15:31

And he's really excited as one of the

15:33

highlights of his life to be able to

15:35

do this now. All right. So there's a

15:37

little more to the story. I happen to

15:39

follow a little bit like

15:41

a month ago, maybe our opening day

15:43

was they were honoring World War II

15:45

vets and they honored Seymour Weiner and

15:48

showed him up on the screen and he

15:50

waved and everyone thought it was like a

15:52

joke that there's no way that's what

15:54

his actual name was. It

15:56

is in fact his name and that whole thing went

15:58

viral, like honoring him as as the vet went

16:00

viral. And so they're bringing

16:02

him back to celebrate Dollar Dog Night,

16:05

which I think is so good. I mean, I

16:07

think for the Mets to lean into this and

16:09

for him to play along, I think it's great.

16:11

Yeah, me too. That's fantastic.

16:14

I just figured it was some

16:16

marketing intern got an idea and

16:19

said, let's look up Weener names in the phone book

16:21

and see who is there. And then they

16:23

kind of see more and that made it even better. But

16:26

no, I guess they just found a different way. Found them organically. Very

16:29

good. All

16:31

right, that one I should tag in later because one

16:33

of the villains in our later story is also named Weener.

16:39

All right, and the last bit of good news that I have today,

16:41

well, you can consider the next one good

16:43

news too, but as far as pro plant-based diet

16:45

health reasons or health news, current

16:48

and former smokers might lower their risk for

16:50

emphysema. If they adopt a

16:52

highly nutritional plant-based diet, they

16:54

said those are the history of smoking. This is a new study,

16:57

had a 56% lower risk of

16:59

developing emphysema compared to those who ate

17:02

more meat and the more fruits

17:04

and veggies they included in their diet the lower their

17:06

risk of emphysema. So it doesn't probably need to be

17:08

all the way plant-based and it

17:10

means that just being plant-based eating a bunch of junk food

17:12

isn't as good as eating actual good plant-based foods. So

17:14

they looked at 1,700 people and 20 year study all

17:19

current former smokers. And that's

17:23

where they got this step. The risk of

17:25

emphysema dropped 34% for each one unit increase

17:28

in participants plant-based diet score, which I

17:30

don't have details on what that

17:32

is, but it's in the chronic

17:34

obstructive pulmonary disease journal, COPD foundation.

17:37

So there you go. You got one more reason to quit

17:39

smoking. No, one more reason to go plant-based if you don't

17:41

wanna quit smoking, I guess. Yeah, I guess. Yeah, one more

17:43

reason to start smoking if you are plant-based, right? Well,

17:46

I think it also helped the former smokers. So it's not

17:48

exclusively smokers who get this benefit. There

17:52

are no more reasons to start smoking, Doug. And

17:55

that message out. What if your political

17:57

constituents got windy saying that? I'm

18:00

just joking guys. It was a joke. It was a

18:02

joke. It was a joke. It was a joke.

18:05

Joke from Dr. Doug. Not a doctor. Not like it was

18:07

not. Alright,

18:10

and the last bit of this is not what I was

18:12

not counted among the good news, but you might consider it

18:14

good news. Some people might, Sour Patch

18:17

Kids and Oreo have formed the dream

18:19

team, the dream collaboration to create a

18:21

sweet and sour version of the popular

18:23

vegan cookie. I don't know for sure if these are

18:25

vegan or not. I couldn't find the ingredients. Look, the

18:28

ingredients. They

18:31

said it will resemble the golden Oreo. He

18:33

had a golden Oreo before, Doug? I

18:36

have. Yeah. I

18:38

don't know. I have no idea. It's

18:41

been a long time since I've had one. Yeah.

18:44

So, anyway, they've got colored fillings based on

18:46

the Sour Patch flavor they replicate instead of

18:48

a cream filling. So, I don't know if

18:50

these versions will still be cream or just

18:53

colored cream or what. Anyway, you

18:55

can get them at some retail beginning May 6th for limited

18:57

time. So, you should Doug in

18:59

that. No, I just don't

19:01

think a Sour Patch Oreo sounds appealing at

19:04

all. It does. Sounds

19:06

terrible. But, like

19:08

any kind of sour and chocolate, they don't go together.

19:10

Do they have other sour chocolate? I know there are a

19:12

lot of bitter chocolate things. But,

19:15

I mean, you don't think of an

19:18

orange chocolate to not do the thing. So, I

19:20

guess they're. Are there sour like creamy things? Because you

19:22

think of the filling, you can kind of creamy it

19:24

like a. Yeah, there is that. Like key lime pie,

19:26

lemon meringue pie. Those are for me. Oh

19:29

yeah, okay. Yeah, yeah, that's good. So, that could

19:31

work. But, the chocolate throws it off. But,

19:34

it's not going to be a chocolate. It's going to be a golden Oreo. Which

19:38

is a vanilla. True.

19:40

It will be golden. So, maybe it's kind of

19:42

good. Yeah.

19:44

Maybe it will be okay. Why not just

19:46

pick one or the other? Either an Oreo or the Sour Patch. They're both

19:48

pretty good on their own. Yeah. I

19:51

don't think the combining would do for either one. There you go. All

19:54

right. Two of the feature stories of the

19:57

day. The first one, I believe

19:59

was. Not gonna do this because

20:01

the values as an article that says. From.

20:03

Taking aim at Tic Tacs amateur nutritionists

20:05

to the milk fountain of youth. It's.

20:08

Only the master of the clap back. And.

20:11

This is cliff factor of heard of the

20:13

times recently and a not really like it

20:15

I know an undetermined it's not know I

20:18

hear it was a it suddenly what it

20:20

means like. He. Answering back to

20:22

them by. Eloquent. Sri Lankan.

20:25

Chris. As you chris as back or like

20:27

you're not criticize mack be like. Snap.

20:30

My ready with a good combat yet.

20:33

To snap back I can deal with a

20:35

clap back I'll get were who any in

20:37

a clapping raised to see just talking you're

20:40

talking back at them. Dot.

20:42

An American favor? that term. Name.

20:44

It. On assessing nothing

20:46

or of the article because it basically

20:48

just glorified only they're terrible. Advertising stafford

20:51

they do. And makes it seem like

20:53

this is a good. Thing. On

20:55

that people should celebrate. And. Like because

20:57

look at them hidden clap back. At

20:59

those anti begin people I'm.

21:02

So. In the story is the sort

21:04

of some books that only made some have

21:06

been somewhere. And. It's like the

21:08

designed for humans booth. On.

21:11

And it's like a big joke. Had a it's

21:13

just. Cannot imagine me that event

21:15

and seeing this thing and saying what what? What

21:17

is going on with that? Why is that all

21:20

these booth? Ah but anyway what are happy that

21:22

is that it's web this story Point me to.

21:25

A website called but I sent you

21:27

almost immediately. It's F

21:29

C K. otley.com. Right?

21:32

Let's dance for his I just I just put it up

21:34

for people. Get the. Timing of

21:36

all things bad about an old drink coffee. So

21:38

only has this website not their main website but they

21:40

just have this other web. Sites and or know

21:42

where they link to it or if they

21:44

ever do or what of. But.

21:47

It just covers their. Like

21:49

their wallets think it's though, it's They're the worst

21:52

of the things they've had in their beds. I'm.

21:57

So a few of them is. a

21:59

so I was go affect yourself a campaign they launched

22:02

in Ireland to draw attention and they affect themselves

22:04

I don't know quite what that

22:06

means then they were banned in Ireland for

22:08

I think this saying this design for

22:10

humans thing like unlike milk It's design. It's like milk,

22:12

but it's designed for humans, which actually is a pretty

22:14

good thing. I like that slogan

22:16

but that got them banned temporarily in

22:19

Ireland, I think I think I think what

22:21

they're saying is that They they

22:23

launched this campaign and it

22:26

ended up backfiring because they got banned Okay,

22:29

so in that way they messed up If

22:33

it stopped there if it ended right there I'd be sort of

22:35

okay with this right They're saying like look at these people look

22:37

at this me industry or animal industry They

22:40

don't want to they don't want to hear about us. So they're banning us

22:42

and like look at us. We got it That's

22:45

kind of then it gets into other stuff Gleeb

22:47

gate. I don't know about that. That's what I

22:49

didn't know about that It's that's where all these

22:51

sued gleam farm We've been farm makers of pure

22:53

odie that was the name of the product. I

22:55

think it was an oatmeal product pure odie And

22:57

only sued them because they said odie sounds

23:00

too much like oatly even though

23:02

pure odie is one word And

23:04

there was huge backlash people saying oatly

23:06

is like the you know, the Goliath

23:08

here against this small little Cambridge

23:12

here based food company we farm makers are

23:14

pure odie massive PR disaster people

23:16

said and they put up all the tweets and things

23:18

people wrote about how disappointed they were that only would

23:20

do this and then You

23:23

know, it just goes on to say we eventually

23:25

lost lost that lawsuit You know our lawyers didn't

23:27

like lawyers like to win cases So

23:30

that just taught me something that I don't like about only

23:32

that they that they were going out to the small company

23:34

for something Called pure odie You

23:37

know someone with the same mission, which I guess you could

23:39

say a lot of competitors Yeah,

23:42

then residue ruckus. Listen to this one and

23:44

I just don't get what they're doing bragging about this

23:46

stuff this one in 2018 We were

23:49

taught a really valuable lesson from our most active

23:51

vegan critics don't sell your oat residue to pig

23:53

farms So apparently and they admit this

23:55

and talk all about it to show all the comments

23:57

and response and making light of it all

23:59

They're just joking about how this all happened, I guess, they

24:02

started selling the leftover pulp or whatever

24:04

from their oat milk to

24:07

pig farms, to be low cost pig feed for

24:10

pig farms. And they thought this was okay. And

24:12

so the vegans who are outraged hated it. And

24:15

they could send it to sanctuaries, not farms. And

24:19

Oatley, I guess, is for some

24:21

reason proud that

24:24

they do this stuff. I don't know. I don't get it. And then they just

24:26

go on and on. And there's more stuff. And

24:28

eventually they get to these Instagram

24:30

people, or TikTok people, and the

24:33

algorithm and all that. So, I

24:36

mean, is this funny at

24:38

all? I'm just like, what is this company

24:40

doing? I kind

24:42

of like it. I knew you wouldn't like

24:44

it. I knew it. And

24:47

I didn't want to ask your opinion

24:49

until we talked about it live. I

24:53

mean, it is kind of weird that

24:56

we had never heard of these. And so now you're kind of bragging

24:58

about it. But the

25:00

band in Ireland won, the TikTok

25:03

controversy won. These

25:05

controversies where you can respond

25:08

with, I don't

25:11

know, spin it into a positive. I

25:14

think that's a cool way to get

25:16

on top of these quote unquote scandals.

25:19

But get on top of the bad press

25:21

that people are doing about it and kind

25:24

of own it and say, yeah, all right,

25:26

TikTok says we're doing our ingredients aren't

25:29

good. Let's actually look at the ingredients and get

25:31

on top of this. I

25:35

like that approach a lot. The Pig Farm one, the lawsuit

25:43

one. I mean, it's hard to

25:45

say. It's hard to look,

25:48

see a bright side of those. It seems like pretty

25:50

bad ones, pretty bad.

25:54

I don't know. I think it's kind of funny. I think it's kind of funny. It's

25:59

a little funny. Okay. So then then it goes

26:01

on Please tell

26:03

me this goes too far for you at the bottom of

26:05

that. There's totally hate FC K Oatley

26:07

comm go to FC K FC K

26:10

Oatley comm Which

26:12

I did because I do totally hate FC K

26:14

Oatley comm and there's a big

26:16

button there You can hit to confirm your dislike of it

26:19

and I did it I confirm my dislike But then I

26:21

said, you know what? They probably think this is all these

26:23

five hundred seventy one thousand people who have clicked this button

26:26

They probably think they're all just part of the joke and they

26:28

all just think it's funny And that's why they're confirming this thing

26:32

I'm I definitely felt like a curmudgeon clicking the

26:34

confirm button As

26:40

they say you click man, I think is

26:42

this funny Doug or is this just like like what are you

26:45

doing with your advertising? time and dollars and

26:47

marketing This is a publicly

26:49

traded company This isn't just some independent company with

26:51

like kind of a wacky CEO who thinks this stuff

26:53

is funny and like just you know Let it happen

26:55

like there are actual shareholders in here who would

26:58

like And obviously the

27:00

company's doing okay. I guess they're okay I don't know the share price

27:02

is down 97% or whatever but like the As

27:05

far as the industry goes it seems like they're leading an industry

27:08

that is doing well What

27:10

happens if you click confirm? nothing

27:15

um Mean

27:20

it's kind of funny. I think it's kind of funny

27:23

Isn't it just too far? It's like come on just

27:25

get back to selling the products and making good old

27:28

stuff and It's

27:30

like they love themselves too much here for me. I think

27:32

that's really what it was a lot of this advertising It's

27:35

like they're just so self-indulgent for them

27:37

to like do this stuff and it's like becomes

27:40

about the ad and it's not clear

27:42

That this is helping to sell the product at all

27:44

or even helping the brand at all unless you're a

27:46

very specific type of person Who thinks these

27:48

things are funny? I still get it. I just

27:50

don't I know Got

27:54

us talking got paying face news talking. I mean that

27:56

helps sell the products right and

27:59

see it I'm organizing a boycott against Oly.

28:01

I mean, it doesn't seem like it would help sell

28:03

the products. Like, I'm

28:05

calling for our audience. Please stop

28:07

buying their products. They're terrible advertising.

28:10

Oh, come on, Matt. I'm not

28:12

really doing that. But I do

28:14

think it makes me want to buy

28:16

the products left. I'm like, it's just too much. It's just

28:18

like they're too full of themselves. I just don't want to

28:21

be part of that.

28:24

See, I just don't like it doesn't offend me

28:26

at all. It doesn't bother me at all. Like,

28:30

I don't feel that way at all.

28:32

And, you know,

28:34

so what I was kind of saying, and I think this is what

28:36

you're seeing is whether it helps sell the products or, you know,

28:39

like, I think getting on top of the TikTok stuff,

28:41

because they are getting a lot of bad press in

28:43

TikTok. Yeah. Getting

28:46

on top of that. And it's good

28:48

to be able to make better stuff. Like, there's that

28:50

famous ad that stores put on the blackboard out in

28:52

front of their restaurant that has a bad review, like

28:54

the worst ramen I ever ate. And it says that

28:56

one guy on Yelp or whatever. I think that's kind

28:58

of funny. And if it was real, especially it's like,

29:01

they're good for the company to be able to kind of poke fun at

29:03

that. But like, they

29:07

don't apologize for giving the stuff to the pigs, telling

29:09

them stuff. They just say it happened and put all

29:11

these nasty comments about them. Yeah.

29:14

And the thing if they could have, and I didn't read the, did

29:17

you read the article about the pigs? Like what they wrote

29:19

about it? Yeah.

29:22

Right. So did they do anything good in

29:24

return? Like, you know, I mean, you could take a bad,

29:26

something to give that bad press, and then you just have

29:28

an opportunity to talk about how you've changed

29:30

your systems or your outlook or something like that. Did they do

29:32

that? Yes,

29:36

they do say that. And I

29:38

didn't read it closely, but I did skim it. They

29:40

said, what else can we do with

29:43

all our old residue? They started thinking they got lots

29:45

of ideas, they decided to go in a different direction.

29:47

In the end, they began to develop prototypes for a

29:49

new line of oat based food made entirely from the

29:51

byproduct. So they did

29:53

that and it does not involve pigs. Apparently

29:55

they had thought about doing a sanctuary, but they said no

29:58

sanctuary could handle the capacity of their stuff. But

30:01

you know what, I'm sure a dump can handle the capacity of a

30:03

lot of your stuff. So

30:05

like it's like they can't pay us for the

30:07

stuff. So I think they were

30:09

kind of sugarcoating that a little bit. Yeah,

30:14

I don't know. I'd love to know what other people

30:17

think about this, whether they're as offended or turned off

30:19

as you are. I'm

30:21

not offended by this, right? I'm just turned off. It's

30:23

just like they're too full of stuff. Kate

30:26

says it doesn't offend me, but doesn't make me want

30:28

to buy their products either. Mr.

30:33

Chuck, you don't want to buy the products in the first place. I

30:35

don't know if he means I don't because I actually think oat milk

30:37

is pretty good. I don't drink it or anything, but like I like

30:40

it in coffee or whatever I might use

30:42

oat milk for. Matt

30:46

O'Connor says, oh, we're taking the no such thing as bad

30:48

press to a new level. Yeah,

30:52

they really are. If

30:54

I were in charge of the company, I think like,

30:56

yeah, it's not as funny to the people who really

30:58

get it. But like, just don't put the really, really

31:01

awful things in it. Not really awful, the things that

31:03

are embarrassing for you that people probably didn't know about.

31:06

Like put the van in Ireland, put the TikTok thing. Talk

31:08

about this bad press and how you're like on the right side

31:10

of it. I just don't know what's

31:12

the point of bringing up this stuff that you these big mistakes.

31:16

Yeah, yeah, I'm kind of with you on that. Yeah.

31:21

All right. So there you go. There's only added

31:23

again. So just don't want to do it. I mean, this

31:25

is really a big thing. It kind of started as like

31:27

not liking some of their ads as a joke. And then

31:29

I was like, I was

31:31

kind of hoping that we were going to be on there. Now

31:35

we're on their radar. Bad press. No,

31:39

yeah. Yeah. It'd be funny if

31:41

they, I mean, given that they like to do this

31:43

stuff, glorify haters, it'd be great

31:45

if they would like sponsor us for being such avid

31:47

haters of their advertising. If

31:50

you want to send us money, we can just keep doing it. We

31:52

can do more of it. That'd

31:55

be great. All

31:57

right. He

32:00

says Matt has no time for comments today. I don't know. I

32:03

don't know what kind of comments are going on Yeah,

32:05

you've been you haven't even given everybody shout out for

32:07

being here. Oh, yeah, I

32:10

didn't I forgot to do that today I'm off

32:12

cuz of being sick. I guess well hello to

32:14

the top few Britters alley Garuda legends Kate Matt

32:16

O'Connor Mr. Jeffrey Kelly Kay and Marie Dale

32:18

Stevens Leslie night then they start repeating So

32:22

I'll stop it Okay,

32:26

so there we go The other

32:28

thing we have is the headlining story today. This

32:31

was interesting It is a

32:33

company called climax Doug. Have you ever heard of

32:35

this climax cheese and make in this case a blue cheese Have

32:39

not heard of it, but it did sound a little bit familiar Yeah

32:42

so the headline from the Washington Post is

32:44

a vegan cheese beat dairy in a big

32:46

competition then the plot curdled and It's

32:49

a very long article relative to what we usually do

32:51

here the

32:54

Very short version is that the

32:57

good food awards is a prestigious

32:59

honor Considers both quality of the products in

33:01

environmental and social consciousness of the companies that

33:03

produce them It sounds like it's kind of

33:05

a foodie thing. Anyway climax entered

33:07

their blue cheese in This

33:10

contest theirs is made from pumpkin seeds

33:12

lima beans hemp seeds coconut fat cocoa

33:14

butter and in a

33:16

blind tasting The

33:19

plant that she's was named as a finalist. So that

33:21

seemed like a pretty big deal pretty good thing then

33:24

it turned out that In

33:27

the time between now and then the time between or when

33:29

that happened and when the award is actually to be given

33:33

They they turned out they removed they

33:36

disqualified climax blue and they did

33:38

so On the grounds that

33:40

they had something in their product

33:42

that was not an FDA Generally

33:45

recognized as safe with a grass

33:47

certification or grass designation that the

33:49

FDA FDA gives Which

33:51

is not really a problem because apparently a lot of

33:53

ingredients like this one in particular Cocum butter which is

33:55

derived from the seeds of a cocum tree trees fruit.

33:58

They are in some way they're not bothered in

34:01

to being okay to sell in this country at

34:03

least, even if they don't

34:05

have the certification. But somehow if they were before

34:08

the rule came along, they're allowed to keep you. So

34:10

they use this product, but they claim

34:13

this product was in an old thing.

34:16

It's not in the current version of it, not in the

34:18

one that was tasted and became a finalist.

34:20

And then they also say, it turns out that

34:22

cheese companies actually knew who the winner was going

34:24

to be. They were told who would win and

34:26

they just were sworn to secrecy, I guess. It turns

34:29

out Climax was actually ready to win the

34:31

award. They were going to be all these dairy companies in

34:33

the goat cheese. I guess it was the goat cheese category.

34:35

I'm not sure if they were against other, not blue

34:37

cheeses. I don't know if they were against other blue cheeses

34:39

or if they were just against cheeses in general, but they

34:42

were going to win. And

34:45

it was, and then, and then to like, it's just this, this

34:48

kind of scandal. The people

34:51

at this company, Zahn is

34:53

the main guy at Climax. And

34:56

he, you know, he, he says this is kind of

34:58

an outrage. If he were the CEO of this organization,

35:00

he would step down from, from the company that has,

35:02

has removed them from the competition. You know,

35:05

and they changed the rule apparently. Like in

35:07

this intervening period, they

35:09

actually added a rule that said all ingredients have

35:11

to be grass certified. And they did that to

35:14

eliminate this company. Didn't get in touch with them

35:16

or anything to find out that they don't even

35:18

use that anymore, he claims. So

35:21

I don't know, kind of a, kind of a big deal in

35:23

this foodie cheese world. I think

35:25

it seems like it, no

35:27

matter what, good news for plant-based cheese. But what

35:29

do you think? It sounds like one detail you

35:32

left out is that it's, it plant-based cheeses have

35:34

been entered into this competition for a while

35:37

now, but they've never become a finalist. Like it's a

35:39

big deal for a plant-based cheese to become a finalist.

35:41

And it wasn't because they, you know, never

35:44

made it that far. No

35:46

one's really cared, but it wasn't until they became

35:48

a finalist and then rumor had, rumor started spreading that

35:51

they were, you know, really

35:53

being considered for the win that someone wrote

35:55

an article about it. And then the cheese industry,

35:57

the animal cheese industry. got

36:02

all up in arms and started making

36:04

a fuss about this. And then they went back

36:06

and changed the rules and disqualified them and removed

36:08

them. And yeah,

36:10

I mean, it's kind of messy. It

36:12

really does seem like there was a real, like

36:15

some deception going on here and real

36:18

controversy if you care about this. Yeah,

36:22

for sure. The changing the rules after

36:24

the finalists have been announced, that seems

36:26

like the one that is the biggest

36:28

problem here. Whether or not the product

36:31

actually had this in it, although that's another

36:33

issue, that's

36:35

also the, like, if there was any

36:37

uncertainty about what was in the product, that's kind of

36:40

maybe on the company, but maybe there wasn't any uncertainty.

36:42

And this is just an old thing that somebody dug

36:44

up, which is no longer even applies. Anyway,

36:47

yeah, so it's a weird thing. It

36:50

doesn't really, well, I guess it's

36:53

upsetting a little bit, but it

36:55

doesn't matter to me because this just means it's only

36:57

a matter of time. And this is

36:59

great news because it is, the plant-based cheese has lagged

37:02

for a long time and everyone likes to make fun

37:04

of how bad the plant-based cheeses are. The artisan ones

37:06

really aren't that bad, but

37:09

we still haven't seen any that have just like, you know, blown

37:11

our socks off and be like, this is amazing. So

37:16

I don't know. I mean, in the end, consumers

37:18

aren't gonna care about, they'll care about what's in

37:20

the product, but like, if it's totally within the

37:23

laws to sell it in the US and all that, and

37:25

obviously they can, what it sounds like, they can make it

37:27

without that anyway. It's

37:30

only a matter of time until this is competing

37:33

on taste with real cheese. And

37:35

there will be more of these contests in the future

37:37

where the rules will be laid out ahead of time

37:39

and all this stuff. So this doesn't really concern me as

37:42

far as a big blow to plant-based cheese. In

37:44

fact, it's almost a positive that

37:47

they have to go change the rules to make sure

37:49

this can't win. Well,

37:51

yeah, I mean, absolutely. The fact that

37:53

there's a cheese that would make it

37:55

to become a finalist, you mean. Yeah.

37:59

Yeah. Absolutely. So I

38:02

mean, what's your take? Should they even be a part of

38:04

this competition or is the cheese

38:06

competition? Should that it

38:08

automatically exclude plant-based Jesus? Yeah,

38:11

that's a good question and I I did like they

38:13

called it a blind tasting but they also refer to some

38:15

of the judges notes later and You

38:18

know one of them said for example very impressive

38:20

for being vegan But obviously plant-based was one judge's

38:22

written con. So that's judge knew that it was

38:24

vegan And also says but obviously

38:26

fan base So they're I think counting that as

38:29

against them that it you know, it does clearly

38:31

taste different from the others. So You

38:34

know, I don't know what to make of that But

38:37

then there was an interesting discussion later on like they got

38:39

to start talking about different cheese people and different you

38:41

know old-school cheese makers and things and They're

38:45

saying this is this is like a fraudulent

38:47

product. It's a it's a fake like this

38:49

is not this isn't a real Thing

38:52

like you can it's fine if you can make it

38:54

taste and look and everything just like cheese But

38:57

it's not the real thing and you and I were talking about this earlier

38:59

with fake coffee and I think you were on this

39:01

side the same side as I was saying like You

39:03

kind of want like that story like that this

39:05

came from the ground and the farmer and then

39:07

yeah the stuff that goes with It that makes

39:10

it have its character And that's

39:12

the case when it comes to coffee and it just

39:14

the artificial thing or the you know, I guess artificial

39:17

Even made from natural things it just doesn't sound quite the same

39:19

even though I think we're talking in that case about

39:21

lab grown coffee, which is also on the table And

39:24

we said that I'm not losing something. So

39:27

I do get where he's coming from The

39:30

the response though from from Zahn from

39:32

from climax to this What

39:34

do you think the cows is just a big processor

39:36

like we're starting with the same stuff not identical stuff

39:38

but the you know, the cow is eating stuff at

39:41

the beginning and then its body processes it very inefficiently

39:43

and Makes milk and then that

39:45

milk goes to the next step processing which is to

39:47

turn it into cheese and that's obviously many steps And

39:49

his argument is they're just skipping the cow here.

39:52

They're still starting with calories and and actual foods

39:54

and They're just putting it

39:56

through their processing now. I don't know that much

39:58

details about their processing or what it looks like like and how

40:00

much different that stage looks like where the cow

40:02

would be there, what's happening instead. But

40:06

I thought that was an interesting point. And it made me read the coffee

40:08

thing. Like, I don't know, like,

40:11

nature is just a complicated form of processing. And it's

40:13

still the same scientific stuff happening.

40:15

If we can replicate that same science stuff,

40:18

same stuff, do we really care

40:20

that it's not real anymore? And then of

40:23

course, you know, without this is none of this is getting into

40:25

the fact of what is wrong about

40:27

the dairy industry, the reason that I do dairy.

40:29

Yeah. So like that makes it a pretty easy

40:31

decision, obviously, for me, but yeah, I mean, I

40:33

don't know, as soon as you take out the

40:35

so putting ethics and all

40:37

that, and even health aside, just looking at,

40:40

you know, what is cheese and what is

40:42

a cheese competition. And,

40:44

you know, for me, similar

40:46

to what you're saying about coffee, I have no I

40:48

have no problem calling plant

40:51

based cheese cheese, I think, you

40:53

know, what is cheese, I mean, like, to me, you

40:55

know, there's different ways different income from different animals come

40:57

from different plants, like, to me, like, you

40:59

can call that cheese, it looks like cheese, it tastes like

41:01

cheese, spreads like cheese, whatever cuts like cheese, then it can

41:04

be cheese. But I

41:06

also think that, you

41:08

know, in the same way that you have, I

41:11

guess, like, different art

41:13

competitions, or singing competitions where you

41:16

would, where you would group

41:18

people into genres and categories and things

41:21

like that, like, a cheese

41:23

competition could be an animal based cheese competition, and

41:25

then you can have a plant based cheese, you

41:27

can have a goat cheese, or a cow cheese, you

41:29

know, and

41:31

so I guess I have no problem with like,

41:33

excluding plant based cheeses from whatever

41:36

this competition is, you know, don't know anything about

41:38

it. But,

41:41

but, and then, but at the same time, I think

41:44

a plant based cheese can be referred to as a cheese,

41:47

and be considered cheese, for the exact reasons

41:49

that they're arguing about how it's just kind

41:51

of reprocessing in a different way. Yeah,

41:56

yeah, there I think there was

41:58

gonna learn what the best in show is. So at some point, Even

42:00

if you've got different categories, there's no

42:02

reason they can't compete against each other in some broader

42:04

thing. And even if someone says they're no longer all

42:06

counted as cheeses, they can still compete. And we can

42:08

say which one tastes best in a blind tasting. Yeah.

42:11

So, and I don't know, people are saying,

42:13

well, Garuda, not surprising. And Gregory Green as

42:16

well, basically saying vegan cheese are not good,

42:18

dreadful. Garuda says nothing will taste better than

42:20

goat's cheese and sharp cheddar cheese. I

42:22

don't know if I believe that anymore, that nothing will.

42:24

I think a few years ago, I would have said,

42:27

yeah, like it's hard to imagine play-based cheese ever tasting

42:29

the same as those. But

42:31

since precision fermentation has come along, things taste different

42:33

than they used to, to

42:35

me, to my taste buds, like the ice cream and all the

42:38

things that are made from, you know, what

42:40

is essentially, molecularly the same as whey

42:42

protein. I'm, I'm, I

42:44

can't really say that like, science isn't going to

42:46

one day find ways to make the exact same

42:48

molecules that are in the cheese and just make

42:50

them with precision fermentation or whatever and make an

42:53

identical product to that. And

42:55

like, I mean, I don't know, you

42:57

can give me a different reason why that's, you know,

42:59

maybe unhealthy or something, which I wouldn't necessarily

43:01

believe without more evidence. But

43:04

it's going to taste identical. It's going to be exactly the same. And

43:06

I think the same is going to happen with meats and whatever else. So

43:10

I don't know, to

43:12

me, to be denying that kind

43:14

of sounds like, you know, the music industry saying that

43:16

that MP3 players in Apple and all

43:19

that isn't going to disrupt them or, you know,

43:21

whatever happened to the book industry and the TV, right,

43:23

all these big things that just get entrenched in their

43:26

thing and say, well, this nothing's going to ever replace

43:28

this thing because this is the way the world is

43:30

and nothing can ever replace that. That it's going to,

43:32

it's all going to get turned over for sure. Like

43:35

I said, people still might want to avoid it because they'll say it's

43:37

not natural. And that is, that's going to be

43:40

a question to deal with. But

43:43

I think the taste is not going to be a factor, Susan. Yeah,

43:46

no, I agree with you. What

43:49

happens if everything is advertising and

43:51

marketing switches entirely to the Uli model? What

43:53

are you going to do there, man? Gosh,

43:57

I don't know. I've moved to a different planet or something somehow.

44:00

That's what I think. It's

44:02

quick consuming in any sort of media. Yeah. That's what

44:05

I would do. Boys out of all products.

44:07

Just start growing my own food. Mm-hmm. Alright.

44:14

Um... Let's end

44:16

this by saying, Gregory Green says, Well, depend on the judge's taste buds. For

44:19

me, I've never had vegan cheese that comes close to sharp-shatter.

44:21

I don't think it will depend on the judge's taste

44:23

buds. I agree with you there. I haven't had anything either

44:26

that comes close to the real thing. But

44:28

in this case, we just had something that did. Right?

44:30

This blue cheese must have

44:32

tasted very similar or better than

44:35

a lot of the competitors. And I would

44:37

imagine the competitors were high-quality versions of

44:39

this stuff. So that's now... What about

44:41

in five years, ten years, twenty years? It's

44:44

impossible for me to believe that it's going to eventually come down

44:46

to individual... I mean, it will always depend on the individual taste

44:48

buds. But it's not just going to be some idiosyncratic

44:50

judge who says, Well, the plant-based one's better.

44:53

It's going to get to the point where it's the same.

44:55

I'm not saying it'll be better, but it's going to get to

44:57

the point where it's the same. And there will be other

44:59

reasons people want to avoid the cheese, and that's fine. I get

45:01

it. But I don't know. You're a

45:03

science denier. If you say it's not going to

45:06

be the same sugar. Whoa. Big

45:09

words there. Matt, clap

45:11

him back. That's right.

45:13

Clap back. Jessica says

45:15

I'd have to go outside to grow my own food.

45:17

So that actually does ruin my plan of... Convince

45:22

Aaron to do it for you. All

45:24

right, Karud now making my very point. He says I

45:26

want God's cheese, not fake lab cheese made by man.

45:29

Natural is not from a lab. There we go. See, we move

45:31

past the tasting, once that's out of the way, and we'll

45:33

find the new thing, the new reason why we don't

45:35

want it. And I'm not saying it's not valid. I

45:37

understand that's what will happen. But that's what's going to

45:39

happen. We're going to get past the taste, we're going

45:41

to get past the cost, and it's going to be a new

45:44

one. And then... I don't know. I don't know if we're going to go

45:46

to that one. There's so many issues with that statement, right? Like

45:48

cheese is made by man. Right?

45:52

The cheese doesn't just come from the earth. The

45:54

man was not making the cheese. I don't know

45:56

if I... The

45:58

man... cheese is man made. There, there,

46:00

Garuda. Yeah. I know Garuda

46:02

doesn't like the lab foods and we must admit

46:05

that these plant foods are a lot of them made in labs.

46:07

I don't know how many, but

46:09

we will see. All right.

46:12

There we go. That's enough of that for today.

46:14

Time for us to go, Doug. Rest

46:16

our voices and get back tomorrow. That's

46:19

right. Look forward to it. Can't wait.

46:22

Another controversy, I hope. Yeah. We will

46:24

see. All right. Well, thanks everyone

46:26

for the comments. Oh, I'm sorry. Always

46:30

appreciate all the viewpoints, including the ones that I

46:32

don't agree with. I really do appreciate that you

46:34

are here expressing them, making for good conversation instead

46:36

of echo chamber. We do not want echo chamber

46:39

situation. That's not good. So yeah.

46:41

And a ton of comments today. I apologize that I did not get

46:43

to all of them nearly, but

46:46

a very nice job

46:48

with all the conversations. Yeah. Some good

46:50

ones coming here. All right. Thanks everybody.

46:52

We will see you tomorrow. Bye.