0:00

That is not an uncommon thing. That

0:02

a lot of people, once they get

0:04

their toe into this somehow, it's

0:06

they can't go back. They can't go back to what they were

0:08

doing before.

0:09

That's Morgan Knutsen, award winning

0:12

paranormal educator, producer, author,

0:14

and speaker. She's our guest

0:16

on this week's episode of the

0:18

paranormal podcast.

0:34

This is the paranormal podcast

0:36

with Jim Harold. Welcome

0:38

to the paranormal podcast. I am

0:40

Jim Harold, so glad to be with

0:42

you once again

0:44

And I love

0:46

talking with people

0:47

who I feel are extremely

0:50

knowledgeable in these areas of the parent role

0:52

because Believe it or not, even though I've been

0:54

doing this for seventeen years, I don't

0:56

think that I am in a sense because I'm

0:58

not a practitioner. I'm not

1:00

out in the field. I'm just someone who

1:02

asks questions. I've I've gleaned

1:04

some knowledge here and there over the years, but I

1:06

really like to talk to the experts.

1:09

The people out in the field

1:11

who deal with this almost every

1:14

single day. And we have such a

1:16

person with us. I'm talking about

1:18

Morgan Knutsen, she's cofounder, and

1:20

leader of entity seeker paranormal

1:23

research and teachings and has been since

1:26

two thousand three. And her experiences

1:28

and knowledge of led

1:30

her to co creating a unique investigative

1:32

program called teaching the

1:34

living, and it's been featured in

1:36

and she's hosted TV

1:38

specials and shows on

1:41

networks like Discovery Channel,

1:43

A and E,

1:44

destination America. The travel channel

1:46

CBC, CT. V. It's

1:48

an Alphabet soup, but it's very impressive.

1:51

Of course, she's been on coast to coast AM.

1:53

and her programs are now practiced

1:56

in three different countries and are part

1:58

of numerous social work and psychology,

2:00

secondary education courses

2:02

in CANADA AND

2:05

WE ARE GOING TO TALK TO HER. SHE HAS A PODCAST

2:07

SUPER NATURAL CIRCUMSTANCES. SHE'S A REGULAR

2:10

CONTRIBUTED TO HONTED

2:12

MAGAZINE but today we're going to talk

2:14

to her about a recent book that she's written.

2:16

The gift of instinct, paranormal lessons

2:18

for an extraordinary world.

2:21

Morgan, thank you for joining us. it

2:23

is so good to be here. So thank you so

2:25

much for having me. I flubbed my way

2:27

through your introduction. There is so much

2:29

there that but

2:31

it's a lot of impressive stuff.

2:33

Oh, thank you. So maybe for people

2:36

who didn't hear us last time,

2:38

I I mean, you have immersed yourself

2:40

in this for almost the last twenty years.

2:42

How did that happen for you?

2:44

Yeah. It, you know, it was a really

2:46

organic thing. And actually, I had

2:48

somebody I was out this morning, and I had somebody ask

2:50

me the same question. And it really was

2:52

AAA very organic calling.

2:56

And what I found interestingly

2:58

enough is I've talked to researchers

3:01

and researched other researchers in

3:03

per psychology and things like That

3:05

is not an uncommon thing. That a lot

3:07

of people, once they get

3:09

their toe into this, somehow, it's

3:11

they they can't go back. They can't go back to what

3:13

they were doing before. And so for me,

3:16

it it really was that when I I got

3:18

a hook hooks into it when I was very

3:20

young on book ten. and

3:22

it was just

3:23

such a fascinating and magical

3:25

thing to me that I I couldn't let it go.

3:28

And it was it was later on, far far

3:30

later on, in my career

3:32

when I decided to really pursue this

3:35

as a life goal that

3:38

I found out my great grandfather was the

3:40

founder of the first parapsychologicalists or

3:42

one of the first parapsychological associations

3:44

in Canada who was the president. So it

3:46

was a really, really interesting process,

3:49

but it was just confirmation to

3:51

me that I was I was doing what I was supposed to be doing.

3:53

In

3:53

the book, and I love when people

3:56

bring history into things because I think

3:58

that it's necessary to

4:00

understand the history, to understand

4:02

the present in the future.

4:04

And there's name in there that you talk

4:06

about right away that

4:08

people have probably heard in terms

4:10

of things like the Rhine Institute and

4:12

things like that. But JB Rhine

4:15

Talk to us a little bit about JBRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR

4:23

Yeah. JB, his full

4:25

name was Joseph Banks Rhine, and

4:27

he really made his mark in in the nineteen

4:29

fifties at Duke University. but

4:32

he started originally

4:33

as a bot nest of all things.

4:35

And it was so funny because I

4:37

don't think even he

4:39

could foresee his

4:40

interest in this. And it wasn't until he

4:43

ended up attending a

4:44

lecture by Arthur Conan Doyle. on

4:47

spirituality and spiritism

4:48

and and things like that. And

4:51

he went home that night to his

4:53

to his wife and said, I

4:55

gotta quit.

4:56

I I know what I wanna do. I gotta quit.

4:58

And she supported him. You know,

5:00

a bless her. She supported him. And

5:02

he gave up a tenured position

5:05

teaching. I mean, this guy was one of the most

5:07

respected botnists in his field.

5:09

He dropped everything and went

5:11

back to school to pursue

5:13

psychology so that he could prepare himself

5:16

for a career in para psychology. And

5:18

it turned out, I mean, his research today

5:20

is still referenced. He ended up forming

5:22

the, you know, the Ryan Institute, the Ryan Education

5:25

Center. The classes that are there

5:27

today are some of the best in the world.

5:29

but his research into things

5:31

like EVP or ESP,

5:32

sorry, and, you know, a myriad

5:34

of other psychic phenomenon. I

5:37

mean, it's it's still it's gone down in history.

5:39

It's it's really cool.

5:41

Do you feel, you know, I

5:43

have this

5:43

sense that the

5:45

question of the paranormal back in

5:47

the day, you think, in Britain,

5:49

the Society for PsychICAL Research,

5:52

and you talked to America about

5:54

people like JB Rhine, and there are a

5:56

lot of very intellectual people, very

5:58

serious people who are interested in

6:00

the question of the

6:02

paranormal And it seems to me, unfortunately,

6:05

like, over time, it's become

6:07

a situation where

6:09

you don't see that as much now.

6:12

In other words, people who are considered

6:15

intellectuals, and I'll go back

6:18

a few years as somebody's passed. But like a

6:20

Carl say Megan, or today,

6:22

and I'm blanking out his name. Oh my

6:24

god. Neil Degrasse Tyson. You know, back in

6:26

the day, those kind of people might have been interested in

6:28

the paranormal, but Today, those

6:30

kind of people just generally poo poo

6:32

it. Do you think that that people

6:34

don't realize what serious people were

6:36

legitimately interested in the paranormal

6:38

back in the day? Yeah.

6:40

It's a that's a really interesting dynamic that

6:42

that you bring up because I think

6:44

some of what is overshadowed the

6:46

the real research has been the

6:48

the media. where

6:51

you've got this sort of overflow, this

6:53

over saturation of this

6:56

almost fantasy type

6:58

paranormal horror TV shows

7:00

that have come up. And

7:02

many people, when you talk to a little paranormal,

7:05

that's what they go to. That's their frame of

7:07

reference now. and it wasn't

7:09

before. The other frame of reference before

7:11

were legitimate places

7:13

and and organizations and researchers like

7:16

the Institute of Natick Sciences or,

7:18

you know, Duke University or, you

7:20

know, Oxford or Yale or, you know, all of these

7:22

different places. Princeton has a lab But

7:25

I think it's that's not what's in the public

7:27

eye. What's in the public eye is these

7:29

these very flashy attention

7:31

grabbing television shows that are are meant for

7:33

entertainment, they're fun. but that's

7:35

not what's happened. So I think, unfortunately,

7:37

you know, you a lot of the the

7:39

people who are making headway

7:42

within

7:42

parapsychology, they're there.

7:44

I mean, the research, it's so

7:46

far beyond now what it was

7:48

ever back in J. B. Ryan's time. I

7:50

mean, the researchers that are there, I mean, there's papers

7:53

and experiments and all of these things that are

7:55

just flooding in from these amazing, amazing

7:58

resources and and academic structures.

7:59

But when you

8:02

get these people, especially someone who's

8:04

got a media personality like Neil,

8:06

like you were mentioning, you know, and then

8:08

he's the one people are listening to and then he

8:10

steps forward and says, oh, no, this is all silly.

8:12

Well, that's not true. And

8:15

now all of a sudden, you've got all these people who,

8:17

you know, love and respect Neil, and they're turning

8:19

around and saying, okay. Well, Neil said it. Well, therefore,

8:21

there's nothing there. And so

8:23

there's a really interesting dynamic that's

8:25

kinda going on right now within parapsychology. And

8:27

that's one of the things that I've really been trying to

8:29

bridge with some of my live shows

8:31

and and speaking

8:34

engagements and stuff like that is to try to

8:36

make the real information accessible

8:38

to people where they don't have to sit down and read a

8:40

pile of white papers. because that's a massive

8:43

problem. There's this

8:43

this education gap that's happening

8:46

between the real researchers that are doing

8:48

this and then the information that's being delivered

8:50

to the public. And it's like, night

8:52

and day. Howard Bauchner:

8:53

Now, I I do wanna get to the the book,

8:55

but I do wanna pick up on something you mentioned

8:57

there. He said there's a great research being done,

8:59

great findings. Is there

9:01

a study that could be something you included in the

9:03

book? It could be something that you didn't include in the

9:05

book. But is there a particular study

9:07

or something that really jumps off the page

9:09

at you that the average person doesn't know

9:11

about a study that

9:13

really, you know, is an attention

9:15

grabber in the sense of like, wow, this is

9:17

really this is pretty

9:19

good evidence. Howard Bauchner: Yeah,

9:21

I mean, there's so many, but

9:23

I think one of the studies that

9:26

I feel is most relevant to something called

9:28

the Phillip experiment, which actually It's so

9:30

funny. I was just looking at that one. I was gonna

9:32

ask you about that. That's That's kinda

9:34

weird. Yeah. Yeah. It's

9:36

not. Hey, great minds. It's great minds.

9:38

Exactly. But I think that

9:40

one has to be referenced, and it's one

9:42

that has been worked upon

9:44

and and studied further

9:46

now. But for the audience that

9:48

that's not familiar with it, it actually

9:50

took place the nineteen seventies

9:51

in Toronto, right here in Canada,

9:53

it was developed by the

9:55

Toronto Society of Cycling Research and

9:57

Mensa. and

9:59

they

9:59

had the people that were were

10:02

participating in this, they they didn't have any

10:04

backgrounds in terms of, you know, they

10:06

believe didn't believe they were psychic, they

10:08

didn't believe you know, they didn't really have a set belief

10:10

one way or the other. They didn't identify that

10:12

way. They just they wanted to participate.

10:13

There was a lot of nurses and there was a

10:16

psychologist and there was a number of others

10:18

that that did participate. And

10:20

long story short is what they

10:22

discovered was that

10:24

consciousness can be

10:26

focused into reality through attention.

10:29

So in other words, what they did

10:31

was create a character They called

10:33

it Philip, and Philip had never

10:35

existed, but they sat down and they wanted

10:37

to communicate with Philip in

10:39

the same way that many

10:41

people in the

10:42

Victorian era would have communicated with

10:44

spirits. So, you know, sitting around a table,

10:46

meditating, focusing,

10:48

talking to this to to whatever this is.

10:51

And lo and behold,

10:53

after quite a number of attempts, they they

10:55

ended up talking with

10:57

this, essentially, this entity

10:59

that called it. So Philip, and Philip

11:01

had measurable responses. It was

11:03

moving things around tables. It was moving

11:05

furniture. It was replying to

11:08

questions with knocks and

11:10

wraps. And what

11:12

was fascinating about this was that

11:14

Philip himself had never existed. This

11:16

was something that they had concocted as

11:18

a group. and they repeated the

11:20

experiment again with a new group

11:23

and created a character by the name of

11:25

Lillith and had the same

11:25

result. For Parapsychology,

11:28

the reason why this was so significant was

11:30

the fact that they're starting to

11:33

understand the world in which

11:35

we are interacting is not

11:37

something that is asserted on us. It is

11:39

something that we have full

11:41

engagement and full interaction with.

11:43

And when we're dealing with haunting

11:46

when we're dealing with these bizarre

11:48

happenings, things like psychokinesis, we

11:50

have to really begin to understand that

11:52

our integration of our

11:54

thought and

11:54

our focus and our emotions that

11:57

are are playing out within

11:59

within our

11:59

reality right in front of us.

12:01

And I think the Philip experiment was so

12:03

significant to to

12:05

to really put that into focus. And, you

12:07

know, somebody who really built off of

12:08

these

12:10

theories and and discoveries in psychokinesis

12:12

was a fellow who passed away, I

12:14

believe, in twenty thirteen, but Dr.

12:17

William Roll and Dr. William Roll

12:19

and Dr. Scott ROGO they

12:22

took this a little bit further and really

12:24

put this into application, and their

12:26

findings were just phenomenal. Like,

12:28

really, really cool stuff. So I

12:30

think that for me is probably on the

12:33

top top of the list as to,

12:35

you know, parapsychology and where it's

12:37

at. In

12:37

the book, you talk

12:40

about trusting

12:42

your instinct. And I know a lot of

12:44

times I think almost all of us have had

12:46

that feeling, had a gut feeling. I shouldn't have

12:48

done that, but I went ahead and did it

12:50

anyway. How does that

12:52

that whole idea play into

12:54

the paranormal? Howard Bauchner: Yeah, in

12:56

the in the book, I really

12:58

wanted to get across this idea

13:00

that an instinct is

13:03

truly a connection that we have with something

13:05

that's that's greater than us. And

13:07

it's something that I found

13:10

throughout my own life because the this book

13:12

was all divvied up into into lessons that

13:14

that I've learned. And I'm sure

13:16

people could, you know, add another

13:18

thirty to the to the list. But these ones were

13:20

the the lessons that were important

13:23

to me to me and I hope to pass it on to

13:25

other people. but

13:27

it was the idea that when

13:29

we are tuned in to

13:31

that level of of

13:33

connectedness with with who we

13:35

really are, when we allow our mind to be

13:37

still, when we are focused

13:40

inward,

13:41

that

13:42

that connection has

13:44

information within it.

13:46

And when we're able to tap into that,

13:48

we're able to really get a get

13:50

a grip on the fact that, you know, what

13:52

we're

13:52

receiving is real.

13:55

It's not to be dismissed. It's not to

13:57

be, you know, shucked off. It's not to

13:59

be,

13:59

you know, downplayed by

14:02

other people because we're good for

14:04

that. But it is something

14:06

that once we're able to tune into that, it

14:08

really is a doorway into a

14:10

new level of understanding of ourselves,

14:12

of the world, and pathways really do start

14:14

to open up for us when we're really in

14:16

tune with who we are. And I find that

14:18

that level of instinct is

14:21

was such a player for me just

14:23

following my own goals and passions

14:25

into what I knew I was supposed to be doing.

14:27

And I've just had it play out

14:29

over and over and over again in my life. And

14:31

so with the book, I really wanted to

14:33

show other examples

14:35

of people who were were following

14:38

following these sort of similar pathways that

14:40

I definitely related to, and I know other people

14:42

will as well. And

14:43

the fact that

14:46

this is you know, this is a

14:48

repeatable experiment if

14:50

if that makes sense. Now,

14:52

how does one and

14:54

I've almost wondered about this.

14:56

How does one kind of keep

14:58

the spiritual realm, keep the

15:00

paranormal realm in mind

15:02

and firmly believe in it And

15:05

I don't wanna say take advantage of that

15:08

sounds crass, but utilize those

15:10

truths to to further your life not

15:12

in a bad way, but in a positive way.

15:14

But still maintain

15:17

your feet on the ground and

15:19

make sure that you make your car note

15:21

every month. So what I'm saying is is it

15:23

seems like, to me, a lot of times, there

15:25

there people are at extremes. You've got

15:27

people who totally you

15:29

know, debunk everything and say there's

15:31

nothing to this. There's there's nothing in

15:33

the world

15:33

going on with all this. And then

15:36

you've got people who are just like, whoo.

15:38

You know, it just, you know,

15:40

it kind of like the the secret to the

15:42

nth degree where I

15:45

can just sit here and meditate on

15:47

Mercedes, and it will show up in the

15:49

driveway. I I actually believe

15:51

in the secret, but I believe that it's

15:53

kind of a formula,

15:55

that it's hard work perseverance

15:58

and belief and visualizing and

16:00

all those things. That's just

16:02

my personal belief. But how do we maintain that

16:04

balance or even should we? is

16:06

a

16:06

really great question. And I think a lot of

16:08

people fall into into

16:11

those various categories that you're talking

16:13

about because I've I've definitely encountered them

16:15

myself as well. And I think

16:17

what people miss is that this

16:19

universe really is a cocreative experience.

16:22

It's not one-sided it's

16:24

not, you know, if I'm I'm just gonna sit here

16:26

and, well, whatever, you know, you've

16:28

you kind of have to give the universe some marching

16:30

orders. You know, what do you want? And

16:32

usually when you ask people, what do you want?

16:34

They've got no idea. They can't answer

16:36

you. If you ask them what you

16:38

don't

16:38

want, they've got a list a mile long.

16:41

you know, what don't you want? Well, I

16:43

don't wanna be broke. Well, I don't want this. I

16:45

don't wanna lose my house. I don't want you know, I

16:47

don't like this job. I don't like this car. You know, whatever

16:49

it is. or I don't believe in the

16:51

paranormal, I don't, you know, but if you ask

16:53

them, well, well then what is it that you do want? A lot

16:55

of people have a lot of trouble asking

16:57

that question. But the one thing

16:59

that I found is that

17:01

when you are really in

17:03

touch with the core of

17:05

of who you are, and

17:07

you've really developed

17:09

that center. Swinging to

17:11

these extremes really

17:14

isn't isn't an issue anymore.

17:16

When you're really in touch with who you are, you're

17:18

in touch with with not only

17:21

yourself and what you've got going, but there's there's a brutal

17:23

honesty about it. You know, you're

17:25

you're owning where you are. You're owning what's

17:27

going on. It doesn't mean it won't

17:29

change. But there's an ownership about

17:31

yourself, there's an ownership about the environment, and

17:33

and part of this is really looking around

17:35

at the environment and saying,

17:37

okay, the

17:38

things that I love can be

17:40

great and they're appreciated. But the things that

17:42

I am unhappy with, well, guess what,

17:44

those are manifestations too. So

17:46

the environment, and hauntings are one of these

17:48

things, and this is where it gets kinda cool.

17:50

They're really good measuring

17:52

sticks as to where you are

17:55

emotionally. And whenever I've been

17:57

working with clients or or anything like

17:59

that, and they turn around and say, oh, my

18:01

life is just wonderful and it's fantastic and

18:03

everything's going great, but my house is an

18:05

absolute disaster and I've got this

18:07

haunting that is just horrific, then

18:10

you you know immediately that the rest of

18:12

their life is not going well.

18:14

something's wrong. And because when we are

18:17

emotionally disconnected, when

18:18

we are emotionally disrupted, when we've

18:20

got wounds that are bleeding that we haven't

18:23

healed,

18:23

that ends up reflected

18:25

within our environment, whether it be through

18:27

something going on spiritually or whether it be something

18:29

going on in your in your

18:30

life. we all know those people who, you know,

18:32

will walk into an office and they

18:34

make the office environment just

18:37

the worst place to be. And

18:39

it turns out later that, you know, well, they're having this, you

18:41

know, rough time at home or they had this, you know, they've

18:43

got a bad relationship or something like

18:46

that. but it bleeds. things bleed into our environment.

18:48

So I find when people are centered and

18:50

when they are are in tune with them

18:53

themselves, and, you know, they've got

18:55

their their stuff handled that

18:57

swinging to those extremes,

18:59

it really, really doesn't

19:01

it really doesn't happen.

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21:00

paranormal podcast.

21:05

We're back on the paranormal podcast. Our guest

21:07

is Morgan Knudson. She

21:09

is the author of the recent book, the Gift

21:11

of Instinct, paranormal lessons,

21:14

for an extraordinary world.

21:17

You talked in the book

21:19

about the idea of

21:21

dead love ones aren't stuck you are. And

21:23

now I gotta tell you that's one of the things that

21:25

really bugs me. I think it's one of the

21:27

things that disturbs me the

21:30

most about the paranormal

21:32

is the

21:33

idea of souls being stuck, and I'll tell you

21:35

why and I've said this on the show before. To

21:38

me, I like to think that

21:40

the universe is relatively just.

21:43

And that if you are a decent

21:45

person and you live a decent life and

21:47

you don't try to mean perfect because I don't

21:49

believe anybody's perfect. But you're

21:51

generally an okay person that

21:53

Something positive awaits

21:56

you on the other side. That's what I like to

21:58

think. But then I hear these stories of

21:59

people who died quickly

22:03

in the sense that it was like a car

22:05

accident or suicide or

22:07

something unexpected or

22:09

particularly traumatic not

22:11

a natural death as they say,

22:13

that they get stuck. And to me,

22:15

that seems like the most

22:17

unfair thing if that really happens. So I'll

22:19

ask you two things. One,

22:21

do people get stuck?

22:24

And what did you mean

22:26

by your dead loved ones aren't

22:28

stuck you are? It's

22:29

a really good question because like you, it's

22:31

one of the things that has really bothered me over

22:33

the years. And it's it's a very old trope that

22:36

goes back into older

22:39

older religions. old belief systems

22:41

and things like that. Everybody's kind of

22:43

has a version of

22:45

this where, you know, if you die

22:47

some horrible death and suddenly your soul can't move on

22:49

and own and so you know, instead of arguing

22:51

with those tropes, I can look I look at the

22:52

research and one of the best places to

22:55

go for that

22:55

research is the Windbridge Institute.

22:58

And Mark Pucotzi

23:00

and his amazing wife, Dr. Julie

23:02

Baichel, have done such extensive

23:04

work into mediumship

23:06

and the survival after death hypothesis.

23:08

And it's just phenomenal

23:10

studies, but if anybody wants to go and check out

23:12

their stuff, they have free everything

23:14

on their site. It's amazing. But

23:17

there is just no evidence supporting that.

23:20

And all the evidence that has been

23:22

collected over the years. Dr. Julie Bieshel,

23:24

she's done an absolutely incredible job on

23:26

this subject. It has been the complete

23:29

opposite. it's been, you know,

23:31

free will and this

23:33

this incredible pure positive

23:35

energy that these these these whether

23:37

you wanna call it a soul, a spirit, whatever

23:39

that is, that inner part of who we are, that

23:41

non physical part of who we are really

23:44

becomes and we really seem to ego behind.

23:46

And a lot of these stories really do

23:48

come out of ego, you know, and we can

23:50

trace them back into into different

23:53

religions like, say, for example,

23:54

you know, decades ago or,

23:56

you know, hundreds of years ago in Christianity,

23:58

it was, you know, if you pay us

23:59

so much money, then you're we can get your loved one

24:02

out of purgatory. you know, there's various

24:04

ways of of interpreting this. So

24:06

when we look at the actual research, the research says

24:08

no that this is that's not the case at all.

24:10

But the the second question, the

24:12

the reason why III

24:14

titled that chapter the way I

24:16

did was that what I've

24:18

discovered over the years is that

24:20

this pure positive energy

24:23

that we end up becoming or or

24:25

we are and then we become more of, I

24:27

should say, is

24:29

really something that unless

24:32

we can line our own emotions up

24:34

with

24:34

that pure positive energy,

24:36

it's really difficult in order for

24:38

for to have the

24:39

communication that we want with the loved ones who have passed away.

24:41

And what I mean by that is that

24:44

many times you'll

24:44

have somebody come by and I had actually somebody

24:47

come to me on one of my last classes

24:49

her father had passed away just months prior,

24:52

and she was in complete grief

24:54

understandably so and

24:56

she said, you know, everybody around me is having these experiences

24:59

with my father and I'm

25:01

not. And I don't understand because

25:03

it was my dad and these

25:05

people who barely knew him are having

25:07

these amazing, you know, operations and

25:09

experiences and stuff like that. And

25:11

what often happens is that

25:13

because we are in that grief process. It holds

25:15

us back from that connection

25:17

that they want with us and that

25:19

we want with them. And

25:21

it's almost like having a radio signal that's just tuned to

25:23

the wrong station. And when we're

25:25

not tuned into that, that's what ends up

25:27

happening. We missed that communication.

25:30

Now interestingly enough, you know, when she was able

25:32

to to heal a little bit and start

25:34

to let go

25:34

when she was she's doing more

25:37

meditation and journaling, she

25:39

had her experience.

25:40

It showed up. And I've

25:42

seen that just this over and over and over

25:44

again, but our we we get

25:46

stuck in the physicalness of of

25:48

people. And when we get stuck there,

25:50

we lose the connection with with who

25:52

they really are now. one

25:54

thing

25:54

that you you talked about the Phillip

25:57

experiment, and and I think that's

25:59

fascinating. And as I said, I I was

26:01

gonna ask you about that, but you beat me

26:03

to it. what about this

26:05

idea of taupas? I I

26:07

mean, and you could think

26:09

of maybe the Phillip experiment as

26:12

possible taupah this idea that

26:14

we create our

26:17

reality. We create, you said, co create

26:19

before. What are your thoughts about

26:21

telcos?

26:22

Well, it's it's sort of variation off the same idea.

26:24

You know, this idea that we

26:26

are creating these these intelligences

26:29

as we think. And the Philip experiment showed that

26:31

was so significant was the fact that consciousness

26:34

doesn't need a brain

26:36

to function. and

26:38

that was something that's very, very unique.

26:40

This is something that you didn't have

26:42

on organic brain and yet was replying

26:44

to questions. Now, Interestingly enough, it was only replying with

26:47

answers in which the

26:48

group knew. It couldn't

26:50

learn something new, so it wasn't

26:53

wasn't bringing them information

26:54

they didn't already know or they

26:56

they hadn't known before. If somebody

26:58

had an error in thinking and would ask a

26:59

question, they would get the wrong answer back. It was

27:02

sort of that idea. But

27:04

the

27:04

idea is is that, you

27:06

know,

27:07

these things are are

27:09

thinking. And the

27:11

current science behind what

27:14

the, I guess, the outlook of of

27:16

humanity in the brain and and what

27:18

that what that looks like is that

27:20

consciousness is fundamental to the

27:22

universe rather than it being emergent from

27:24

the brain. So it's not actually

27:26

being created by the brain. It's

27:28

being translated. by the brain and it

27:30

exists in all that is around

27:32

us in the non physical space around

27:34

us. So that's the idea

27:36

and that's where the Philip experiment is

27:38

leaning is the idea that it's not

27:40

a matter of you need a brain in order to

27:42

think, you just need a brain in order to translate

27:44

the consciousness and project it, and then that

27:46

consciousness with

27:47

enough focus can become something

27:49

that that is more physical. But it's

27:51

it's a really interesting thought process.

27:53

You talk about one

27:53

of your lessons being our physical

27:56

experiences about transition. Use

27:58

it. Now let me ask you

27:59

this. Usually,

28:01

I think most people now include myself in this. When

28:03

we think about our existence, we think about

28:05

right now life right

28:08

here is the main event.

28:10

Okay? Everything or anything that

28:12

came before it is kind of an adjunct and

28:14

anything that comes after is kind of like,

28:16

whatever happens next if anything.

28:18

but this is the main event. But

28:21

for example, if I were going on a

28:23

trip to London and

28:25

I said I'm going on a trip, I wouldn't

28:27

necessarily unless it was something really special talk

28:29

about the trip there, about flying

28:31

over because flying can be a pain. I would talk

28:33

about what I'm gonna do once I get there,

28:36

the destination. is part of this that

28:38

we have a backwards that

28:40

we're focusing on the trip

28:42

and we're not focusing on the

28:44

destination in terms of our physical

28:46

experience? you know, I

28:47

I don't think so because I think

28:48

everything that we we will ever

28:51

do is always in the now moment.

28:53

And there's never not a

28:55

now moment. So, you know, the

28:57

energy that we are putting

28:59

into are now no matter what we're

29:01

doing is really determinative

29:03

of our next moment. So

29:05

if you're putting in, say, for

29:07

example, with travel, you know, if you're

29:09

not joyful in the

29:11

travel, you're probably not gonna be

29:13

joyful when you get back destination or anywhere

29:16

else. So being able to

29:18

bring yourself

29:18

into the moment is

29:20

really lining up

29:21

with not only just giving

29:24

over resistance to the present moment, because as

29:26

soon as you're going okay. Well, if I just

29:28

do this, well, then I'm gonna get over here. And if

29:30

I, you know, if if everything is

29:32

a means to an end, you kind of lose

29:34

the point because that next step is always

29:36

gonna be the now. So I

29:38

think with this idea and the

29:40

the point that I had about, you know, this

29:42

idea of of everything is moving

29:44

in in transition, is that our

29:47

transition every everything is

29:49

moving and shifting all the time. There really is

29:51

nothing that is stagnant.

29:53

And we might be creating the same thing over

29:55

and over again, but nothing is stagnant. So

29:58

the idea

29:58

that we are, you know,

29:59

that we can bring ourselves into the now and

30:02

focus there, that really is

30:04

where our power is. And if we

30:06

can do that and we can we can

30:08

find our joy in the in the moment and accept the

30:10

fact that everything is transitory,

30:13

then we are able to pour ourselves into

30:15

the now a little bit more clearly

30:17

in a more in a more focused way than we would if

30:19

we're just, you know, thinking a million

30:21

years down the road. In the

30:24

book,

30:24

you talk about legends. and

30:27

stories and the importance

30:29

of those. And you said legends

30:31

could be true false, but they're all was right.

30:33

Does that mean that even if

30:35

it It's a story that that is not maybe factually

30:38

ABC didn't happen. It still provides

30:40

universal truth. Howard Bauchner: Yeah, well,

30:41

either universal truth

30:44

or it's something that it's

30:46

telling you something about those

30:48

people, that culture, or

30:50

about that period of time and history.

30:53

So the exact some of the examples

30:54

that I I use in the book is is the Jersey

30:57

devil for instance. It's

30:59

it's such a bizarre story and it

31:01

often gets conflated with this crazy tale

31:03

about mother leads and how

31:05

this

31:05

woman had this thirteen child

31:07

and she didn't want thirteenth

31:09

child, so she cursed it, and it flew up the chimney with

31:11

wings and a dragon tail and

31:13

whatever, and it's flying around New Jersey in

31:15

the pine barrens. Did the baby grow

31:17

wings and fly up a chimney? No.

31:20

But, you know, at the same

31:22

time, when you dig into the history of the Jersey

31:24

devil and you get in to the,

31:26

you know, the year nineteen o nine, for instance, the

31:29

entire town was shut down because something

31:31

was terrorizing the town. And

31:33

we know that towns don't shut

31:35

down for nothing. I mean, we've

31:36

been through lockdowns. Something

31:38

happened to make these people shut

31:40

down this town. you know,

31:42

and you back even further than that, and you've got the

31:45

First Nations people of the area, the Indigenous

31:47

people of the area calling

31:49

this place to place as a

31:51

dragon. And this was long before the Leeds

31:53

family ever showed up because they were real. They

31:55

were a real family. And

31:57

so here you've got

31:59

this

31:59

situation where you can believe in the

32:02

Jersey devil or not, but

32:04

it's getting something right

32:06

about this situation. And I

32:08

think we kind of have to look at cultures

32:10

and our stories and our histories in

32:12

in a very similar way because it it

32:14

allows us to instead of just,

32:17

you know, pooing all of, you know, all these things that

32:19

we consider as just, you know,

32:21

fairytale, that, you know, it is

32:23

here to to show us something and show us something

32:25

about humanity.

32:26

While we're having a great conversation, we're

32:29

talking with Morgan Penudson

32:31

about her book the Gift of Instinct,

32:33

paranormal lessons for an ordinary world and

32:35

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35:46

guest is Morgan Knutsen, the book is

35:48

the gift of instinct paranormal lessons

35:50

for an

35:52

extraordinary world. Now, this is something I want to ask you about whether it is part of book

35:54

or not. People think that

35:56

they have a haunting. What is some

35:59

of the kind of basic guidance

36:02

would you give somebody if they say, you

36:04

know what? I'm pretty sure I have a

36:06

haunting. Where where would they where should

36:08

they start? I

36:08

honestly think that a lot of it is some of the

36:11

internal work. I mean, haunting these different

36:13

things to different people. You

36:16

sometimes people think, well, it's

36:18

a spirit that's outside of myself, but

36:20

sometimes it's something that it that is, you

36:22

know, being reflective of their

36:24

own mood. so they get frustrated

36:25

or angry, and then all of a sudden, you know, explodes. So there's there's a

36:28

number of different things that I think people

36:30

classify as hauntings that aren't necessarily what

36:32

we think

36:34

of as as hauntings. But, you know, my biggest thing is is

36:36

to educate yourself.

36:37

Start looking inward and start

36:39

educating yourself. You know, I was mentioning

36:41

at the beginning the courses

36:44

from the Rhine Institute. And and

36:46

I I really can't recommend them

36:48

enough. The fee is usually quite low, and

36:50

taught by some of the best parapsychologists in

36:52

the world, and they'll go right back to,

36:54

you know, parapsychology one hundred and one.

36:56

There's a great class by Lloyd Auerbach.

36:59

So I I really encourage people

37:01

to to get educated from

37:03

the right resources, you know, rather than

37:05

turning to, you know, the

37:07

TV shows this kind of a thing.

37:09

But get educated from resources like Windbridge, like,

37:12

you know, the Rhine, places

37:14

like that, there's there's memberships available with

37:17

the Parapsychological Association. And then I've got

37:19

courses and stuff like that as well, then I

37:21

hold events that are, you know, fun ways

37:23

to explore this stuff. So,

37:25

you

37:25

know, I really think that when you're when once

37:27

you get into that

37:28

circle, the the idea of a haunting

37:30

and and what might be going on starts

37:33

to really clear up But, you

37:34

know, for those who are having a real problem with

37:36

it, I highly encourage

37:39

you to take a look

37:41

at what's going on. and

37:43

ask yourself what about

37:45

this

37:46

looks like me.

37:48

And what

37:48

I mean by that is, is

37:51

this in a way reflecting something

37:53

that you've got going on that isn't being addressed within

37:56

you. And it's a lot of place that's a it's

37:58

a place that most people don't look because we're

37:59

taught to

38:02

you

38:02

know, feared that thing that's in our house that's being asserted on

38:04

us. But we do play a

38:07

role with this stuff. So between

38:09

those two things, that would be

38:11

my first advice to people. Something you

38:13

talk about that I absolutely love

38:15

because I think this

38:17

is so true and I think sometimes so

38:19

many of us limit ourselves. And as I

38:22

said before, I believe in the

38:24

secret with a

38:26

little caveat. that you

38:28

have to work, you have

38:30

to take action towards

38:32

the direction you want to achieve, but

38:35

that belief that intention, that visualization, I

38:38

really do believe that works.

38:40

Absolutely. I've seen it in my own life. And there is

38:42

an old saying, and I think it was Henry

38:44

Ford, although

38:46

he a hell lot of other problematic

38:48

aspects. I think there's a very true saying

38:50

whether you believe

38:51

you can

38:52

do something or can't

38:53

do it. you're

38:56

right. Now that doesn't mean I'm gonna be

38:58

able to go play in the NBA. That's

39:01

I'm way too old

39:03

way too short and way too out

39:05

of shape. That ain't gonna happen. But I

39:07

guess my point is within

39:09

reason,

39:10

I think that you can

39:12

your

39:13

will and your ability

39:15

to set an intention and work towards

39:17

it. I think it

39:20

is so crucial to success in any endeavor. Can you

39:22

talk about that a little bit? I know you talk about,

39:24

for example, Neville and Goddard.

39:26

Very, very interesting stuff to me.

39:29

It it's by far my favorite

39:32

aspect of of parapsychology because it's

39:34

the aspect that is the most

39:35

applicable to everybody. You know,

39:38

whether you you know,

39:40

think

39:40

goes or this or that or, you know, whatever.

39:42

At the end of the day,

39:44

it's something that applies to

39:46

no matter where you live, no

39:48

matter who you are, no matter what your belief

39:50

system

39:50

is, it doesn't matter. At

39:52

the end of the day, you you whatever

39:56

you are feeling emotionally, whatever you've got going on and the

39:58

intentions that you

39:59

set, they will

40:01

create and they don't always create

40:03

in the way people expect. but

40:06

they do create. And the

40:08

last chapter of my book is

40:11

about exactly this. And interestingly

40:14

enough, Napoleon Hill who was

40:16

also

40:16

a major supporter

40:18

of of these ideas and wrote

40:20

the book think and grow rich. was

40:22

a follower of J. B. Rhine. And most people don't know that, and

40:25

they think, well, this is just, you know,

40:27

separate stuff. But, no, Napoleon

40:30

Hill was actually watching J. B. Rhine's

40:32

work very, very closely because J. B.

40:34

Rhine was dealing

40:36

with psychokinesis which is a form of

40:38

manifestation and measurable manifestation that happens immediately.

40:40

He

40:40

actually wrote a bit about

40:42

JB and his work in his book that

40:44

can grow rich. It's in

40:47

there. So this stuff is very much tied into the

40:48

idea of of not

40:51

only, you know, just you know

40:53

just you know, setting

40:54

an intention and things like that. But

40:56

it's becoming backed

40:57

up by things like quantum physics. We're

40:59

starting to understand that there are,

41:01

you know, multiple probabilities. that

41:03

are existing within our environment and where we put

41:05

our focus and our attention

41:08

is ultimately the probability that we're gonna

41:10

end up with. So if we

41:12

believe a certain way and we think this, you

41:14

know, and we we feel something

41:16

so strongly that oftentimes

41:18

that's what ends

41:18

up showing up in our experience, there's a

41:20

really interesting study that was done a number of

41:22

years ago and then the name escapes me now,

41:25

but basically the idea was is

41:27

that

41:27

even the skeptics are

41:30

manifesting their own results, very similar to the

41:32

double slit experiment where if

41:32

you focus on the, you know, if you if

41:35

you believe that you're gonna get particles instead of waves,

41:37

you end up with

41:38

that. So the idea was that, you know, even the

41:40

psychics are manifesting no results

41:42

and because that's their state

41:46

of expectation. Even when they go in, oh, no, I'm open minded. I'm open

41:48

minded. They've got a paradigm that's

41:50

there that says this doesn't exist,

41:52

and that's what

41:54

they get. So it it really

41:55

is an interesting universe that we live in that

41:57

that these things, you know, no matter what you

41:59

believe, you're you're

41:59

gonna find that you're gonna you're gonna manifest the

42:02

evidence of it. you

42:04

mentioned in

42:04

the book, you talk about in the book, and I've

42:06

had him on the shows before, and I actually

42:08

have a couple of his CDs floating around.

42:10

And I find it really interesting

42:13

And this is someone who really believes

42:16

in manifestation and has

42:18

done research on it. Is doctor Joe

42:21

Gellenberger? Yeah. He's fantastic. And we've had

42:23

him on supernatural circumstances as well.

42:26

And so cool about him and

42:28

talk

42:30

about workshops for the audience members that really want to attend

42:32

something.

42:32

He actually teaches psychokinesis

42:34

in Las Vegas and

42:36

takes people. He's got a program called

42:40

manifesting and he teaches people psychokinesis and then

42:42

how to play the craps tables

42:44

and the roulette tables and things like that

42:46

and and start to measure

42:48

their results. in

42:50

winds. And, you know, he

42:52

perfected the the idea

42:54

enough and the the process enough that he's

42:56

able to teach

42:56

people, you know, how to do that in

42:58

in the immediate, which I think is absolutely phenomenal, and it's a

43:01

great way for people to get in touch

43:03

with that part

43:03

of themselves.

43:05

Yeah. I I

43:05

think so. I've enjoyed some of his CDs. One

43:08

of them I remember is liquid luck.

43:10

Yeah. And you kind of

43:12

visualize drinking a vial of luck if

43:14

I remember correctly. Very

43:16

very interesting stuff indeed.

43:18

So from this book, I mean, we want

43:20

people to pick up the gift of instinct

43:23

paranormal lessons for an

43:25

extraordinary world. And there's many, many

43:27

lessons to be gained from it,

43:29

not just wanted there's one little nugget you'd like to share

43:31

with people in closing. What would that be? You know, I I

43:34

think this is

43:34

one of those

43:36

books that I encourage

43:38

anybody who has ever had the thought, I think there's more to me than

43:41

what I've been told

43:42

or what meets the eye. And I I

43:45

know I meant for something more and

43:48

I'm having these experiences. This is the book for

43:50

you and it doesn't matter what part

43:52

of the journey you're on, whether you're

43:55

starting out, whether you're you

43:57

know, twenty, thirty years into it, it

43:59

it really

43:59

doesn't matter. But this is

44:02

about reading about the science,

44:04

but also reading about

44:06

other people. who have been down this road and the

44:08

significance that they create

44:10

within the world when

44:12

they follow that instinct and

44:14

they follow the gift of who they

44:16

really are. And when they're

44:18

able to do that, the

44:20

impact that has transpired,

44:22

you know, as they've, you know, lived

44:24

their life and then long afterwards, it's

44:27

it's really important. And I think if

44:29

if people can pick it up and realize

44:31

that everybody has this ability, everybody has this journey ahead

44:33

of them, then, you know, that's what

44:35

it's for. Well,

44:36

for it's

44:37

been a great conversation. It's always a pleasure to

44:39

speak with you, and I hope everybody does pick up the

44:41

gift of instinct paranormal lessons for

44:43

an extraordinary world. And

44:45

to that point,

44:48

where can people find the book and connect with everything else you

44:50

do? Base all the one stop shop

44:52

is my

44:53

website, which is entity seeker.

44:56

c a and the

44:58

book can be found on Amazon, but

45:00

there's links to the book on the website as well

45:02

as all my social media, some of my live

45:04

shows, my classes, event

45:06

dates and and all sorts of things. So

45:08

hopefully, people wanna come and join

45:10

and enjoy the journey with me

45:12

and everybody else

45:14

that has joined the the journey since two thousand

45:16

three. Very good. Our guest

45:17

has

45:18

been Morgan Conuts in the book.

45:21

is the gift of instinct paranormal lessons

45:24

for an extraordinary world. Do check it

45:26

out, everyone, and Morgan. Thank you so much

45:28

for joining us today.

45:29

Thank you, Jim. Always great to speak

45:31

with Morgan. She is so knowledgeable

45:34

and brings a lot

45:36

of light

45:38

to this subject and really appreciate her and

45:40

look forward to speaking with her many,

45:42

many more times. And thank

45:46

you for tuning into the paranormal podcast. We certainly

45:48

appreciate it, and we hope that

45:50

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45:52

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45:54

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45:56

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45:58

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45:59

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46:02

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46:04

we'll talk to you next time. Have a great

46:06

week, everybody.

46:08

Happy Halloween. spooky.

46:12

Bye bye.