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Peter Franklin had been running a successful
0:13
woodworking business on Lanai, Hawaii,
0:16
when Larry Ellison, one of the richest people
0:18
on the planet, but nearly the entire
0:20
island for about three hundred million dollars.
0:23
This was back in There
0:25
are feelings of both angst and excitement
0:28
as Lenite residents prepared to welcome new
0:30
billionaire owner Larry Ellison.
0:33
Larry Ellison loves to go shopping
0:35
for big things seton bought a Hawaiian
0:37
island recently. In his first interview
0:39
since buying three months ago, Larry
0:41
Ellison shows he's as ambitious
0:44
as he is rich. The news
0:46
meant that Peter had a new landlord, and
0:49
at first things went relatively well.
0:52
For one, he had a new spending client. Ellison's
0:55
people asked Peter to make some furniture and
0:57
hired his shop, Lanai Woodworkers, for
1:00
one of his first projects on the island, building
1:02
a Nobu, you know, the Japanese
1:05
restaurant known for its celebrity sightings. Here's
1:08
Peter remembering one of the earlier projects
1:10
he did for Ellison. Mr. Ellison
1:13
was starting to spend more time here and
1:16
the story was he didn't like rectangular
1:19
square tables. He didn't like corners,
1:22
and so they wanted this massive round
1:24
table and they're like so
1:26
many other jobs. We did it, We got
1:28
it done. It was a nice table. Massively.
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The Nobu job was finished six months
1:33
after Ellison bought the island. Chris
1:36
Andrews, one of Peter's employees, remembers
1:38
meeting Ellison for the first time during
1:40
its opening in late December of that year.
1:44
We're down there for the soft opening. At
1:47
one point I had to go to the rest of us, so I pushed my chair
1:49
back and bumped into someone. All I apologize,
1:52
is so sorry, And I turned around.
1:54
Here's a scrubby looking guy. Couldn't he believe
1:56
use their flannel shirt head shape?
2:00
He said, Oh, I'm Ellison And
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I said, oh, Mr Ellison, Well we did these walls
2:04
were lynn I would workers. We
2:06
did your hostess stand. He shakes
2:09
my hand and says, we're going to do great work together.
2:11
January one. We had a distinction of
2:13
being the first company that he killed, the
2:16
first company he kills, but not the last,
2:19
and it would be a slow death. Ellison's
2:22
management company, Palama Nai, which
2:24
means to cherish Lenai, first
2:27
came to Peter with an ultimatum,
2:29
either he could sell his business to Polama
2:32
or vacate the building. When
2:34
Mr Ellison bought the island, they
2:36
came to me and said,
2:39
listen, we owned this building, we
2:41
want to use the building. You can work
2:43
for us, or you can go do something else. For
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Peter, the choice was simple, keep
2:48
doing what he'd been doing for years. He
2:50
sold the business and worked for Ellison for another
2:53
six years. Then not of
2:55
nowhere again, Ellison's
2:57
company decided to shut down Lanai Woodworkers
3:00
entirely. Masamoto
3:03
called me into his office and,
3:06
as a surprise to me, called me into his office
3:08
and uh, well, me was closing a woodshop.
3:11
Kurt Matsumoto is the president of Ellison's
3:13
management company. After that, I asked her
3:15
if we could buy any the equipment, and
3:19
he told me no. He recommended
3:21
I leave the island, and I was kind
3:23
of shattered by that, kind of made
3:25
up my mind. Well, I guess I'm not leaving. The
3:28
problem for Peter is he might not
3:30
have a choice in the matter. Ellison
3:33
also owns the apartment where he lives,
3:36
and there's a stipulation in the billionaires
3:38
residential leases that if you work
3:40
for one of the landlords companies and are
3:42
fired. That's grounds to terminate
3:45
your lease. In other words, Ellison
3:47
could kick him out of his apartment at any
3:49
time. So you're holding your bronake.
3:52
It easily say, well, listen you, you don't work for
3:54
us anymore. You have the vacate. And
3:56
so it goes on an island owned by
3:58
a man who's so rich that
4:01
if he wanted to, he could afford
4:03
to buy Lennai three hundred
4:05
times over. Jobless
4:07
claims coming in, I mean really jumping from
4:10
the week before, pretty brutal. Three
4:12
point to a million records
4:14
six point six million Americans filed
4:16
for unemployment lost week. Indian
4:18
booking reminable, the worst impacted
4:21
by the pandemic. Well, now to the billionaire
4:24
boom. According to Bloomberg's supriocht
4:26
charters are up over three
4:28
hundred and a billionaire
4:31
was created every twenty six
4:33
hours during this condetic Larry Ellison
4:35
loves to go shopping for big things.
4:37
You bought a Hawaiian island recently.
4:40
No one not waiting in line for
4:42
a COVID test with the public roads.
4:45
It is time for a wealth tax
4:48
and America
4:53
welcome back to the paycheck I'm
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Rebecca Greenfield. The
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growth and wealth inequality around the world
5:00
in recent decades has been driven by
5:02
explosive wealth creation at
5:04
the very top. Before
5:06
the pandemic, billionaire wealth was
5:09
booming. The
5:11
top twenty richest people in the world held
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as much wealth as half of humanity,
5:17
that's almost four billion people. Then
5:20
during the pandemic that gap got
5:23
much wider. Here's a bile Aghmed,
5:25
a strategist from ox MAM International.
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This pandemic, we're witnessing the biggest
5:30
increase in billionaire wealth since
5:33
records began. In fact, billionaire
5:35
wealth has increased more during the pandemic
5:37
than it has in the fourteen years combined,
5:40
and a billionaire was created every
5:42
twenty six hours a year
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into the pandemic. It only took ten
5:47
billionaires to get all the wealth held
5:49
by half of humanity. Wealth
5:52
isn't inherently bad, and a lot
5:54
of people argue that billionaires have benefited
5:57
society by innovating, creating
5:59
jaw new companies, and
6:02
they were in part incentivized to do
6:04
that by the prospect of getting very
6:06
wealthy. Many of them also
6:08
use their money to give back in ways that better
6:10
the world, by, for example, funding
6:12
research that creates things like vaccines.
6:15
But money is power, and increasingly
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one group of people is accumulating so
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much wealth that in some ways, it
6:22
can bend the world to its whims at
6:25
the expense of others. One
6:29
such billionaire is Larry Ellison. According
6:32
to Bloomberg's Billionaires Index, which tracks
6:35
billionaire wealth, he's worth around
6:37
ninety billion dollars depending on
6:39
the day. That's nearly double what
6:41
he had before the pandemic. Ellison
6:44
made his money as the co founder of Oracle,
6:47
a software company. He's part of
6:49
a new generation of scions, wealthier
6:52
and more powerful due to a soaring
6:54
stock market that has primarily
6:56
benefited American technology giants.
6:59
They have an unfathomable amount
7:01
of wealth to most people, even
7:04
probably themselves. Ellison
7:07
may be best known for how he spends
7:09
his money, mansions, yachts,
7:11
a tennis tournament, and buying
7:15
of the island of Lenai, the two Four
7:17
Seasons resorts there, around a third of
7:19
its housing stock, and practically all
7:21
the commercial properties. Plenty
7:24
of wealthy people own private islands,
7:26
but Lanai stands out. It's
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home to around three thousand people, many
7:31
whose families have lived there for generations.
7:34
Overnight, when he first bought it back in Most
7:37
of those people got a new boss, or a
7:39
new landlord, or both. Now
7:43
they have a new neighbor. Like
7:46
many office workers stuck in their homes during
7:48
lockdowns, Ellison relocated
7:51
to one of his many properties on Lanai.
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With the billionaire's attention focused on the
7:56
island now more than ever, residents
7:59
are anxious. None of them wants
8:01
to become the next Lanaii woodworkers.
8:05
Sophia Alexander, a reporter on Bloomberg's
8:07
Wealth Team, went to Hawaii to see
8:10
how things are playing out. There's
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a reason people conjure images of
8:19
Hawaii's sandy beaches, sunny
8:21
blue skies, and rolling green
8:23
mountains when they think of paradise.
8:27
Lanai is no different. Approaching
8:30
the island on the ferry from Maui's Lahinah
8:32
Harbor, It's hills look buttery
8:34
soft. The Pacific water that
8:36
surrounds it is a deep blue, so
8:38
clear. In some parts you can see the ocean floor
8:41
and a ring of clouds hovering around the islands.
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Mountain Peak is called Mount a Lay
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because it looks like the island is wearing a lay
8:49
the Polynesian flower garland. It's
8:51
idyllic so it's easy
8:53
to see why someone would want to buy a Hawaiian
8:55
island if they could. We know that you've
8:58
made tons of headlines recently ying
9:00
in island in Hawaii, Lenna, buying
9:02
tons of homes. How many homes do you own right
9:04
now? Um,
9:07
well, let's see homes that I live
9:09
in? Or why do you buy the home if you
9:11
don't live in? Well, for example, I bought a home in Newport,
9:13
Rhode Island, which I'm converting into a nineteenth century
9:15
European art museum. Larry Ellison
9:18
didn't respond to my emails asking to talk
9:20
to him for this story, and his management
9:22
company didn't make any of its executives
9:25
available to me. We did find this one
9:27
interview he did on CNBC back
9:29
in two thousand twelve. Back then,
9:31
he said he wanted to make Lenai a sustainable
9:34
paradise and help local start
9:36
small businesses. He
9:38
also goes on and on about his plans
9:40
for his own art museums and his
9:42
desire as a kid to be a pilot,
9:45
which is why he now has his own planes
9:47
to fly. But Lenny
9:49
isn't just a mansion or a jet. It's
9:51
a community and one small decision
9:54
from Ellison can change everything.
9:57
It's like a real life version of SIMS, the
9:59
World Building video game. Now
10:02
a decade has passed and Ellison
10:04
and his company have changed a lot. On
10:06
the Nai Lanai woodworkers
10:09
closed, so did the family owned pokey
10:11
shop and the car rental business and
10:14
more recently the cafe down the street.
10:17
Most day. They were given no explanation
10:19
for their demise in and of itself.
10:21
When they buy this business or take
10:23
over this business doesn't seem much but
10:25
in totality that that
10:28
is a concern from an economic
10:30
standpoint, and just from the I think
10:33
from the perception residents have
10:36
of what they're doing on much control
10:38
they have. Was it a metaphorm
10:41
looking at is throwing a crab, you know, part
10:43
of cold water and turning on the stole and you
10:46
know, realize that they're being boiled
10:48
to death. That's Bochema, a
10:51
retired social worker who grew up on the island
10:53
and is one of the most vocal members of the community.
10:57
We're in Dole Park, the quasi
10:59
town square of Nay City, which
11:01
got its name from James Dole, who bought
11:03
the island in one
11:06
years ago. Dole decided to turn the
11:08
island into the world's largest pineapple
11:11
plantation. So yeah,
11:13
I mean the Pineapple dictated
11:15
how life went, you know here in our community.
11:18
And the old Pineapple, I
11:21
mean they basically took care of everything. They
11:24
ran the barge to and from Oahu. You
11:26
kind of ran the clinic, they ran
11:28
the hospital. I mean, you know, they
11:30
ran everything. So they had a lot
11:33
of control over
11:36
what happened in town. Butch grew up
11:38
on the island during plantation days, when
11:40
everything was regulated by the company. Whistles
11:44
marched the start of our work day and whistles
11:47
marked the a p m. Curfew. The control
11:49
over seemingly every aspect of life
11:52
and the dependence on the company for family's
11:54
well being created what locals
11:56
still referred to as a plantation mentality.
11:59
What's this in the plantation? Is
12:01
this idea that if you work for the plantation,
12:04
you don't speak out against them, and that
12:06
holds true no matter what to this
12:08
day. That's Solomon pele Halla
12:11
Halla, a seventh generation Lenian who
12:13
goes by Saul. He also grew up during
12:15
the plantation days. My parents
12:18
then, we're both the workers of
12:20
the pineapple plantation. My mother
12:23
was a pineapple picker and
12:25
my father became a heavy
12:27
equipment operator and a truck
12:29
driver irrigating the pineapple fields.
12:32
First all, there was one instance in particular
12:34
that crystallized the wealth gap between the Nays
12:37
residents and Lenie owners, a
12:39
divide that's only grown bigger With Ellison.
12:42
I took a part time job. In the evening,
12:44
I did bartending as our part
12:46
time, you know, And on
12:48
one day a group of people came in
12:51
to have lunch, and
12:53
they are unusual group of people because the women
12:55
had Mike strolls on and
12:58
I was serving their drinks. So
13:00
they were ordering martiniz for lunch. And
13:03
then when they were getting ready to leave after
13:05
their lunch, they were walking out with their
13:07
martini glasses and as
13:10
a bartender, I'd just said I better
13:12
go and retrieve the glasses. So I
13:14
started to walk out of the hotel
13:17
and then the manager saw me, and then
13:19
she stopped me and she says, where
13:21
are you going? And said, I'm going to go and
13:24
get the martini glasses
13:26
from those people that are
13:28
leaving, And then she's stopped
13:30
and she says, no, let them go. And
13:33
I said, why they're taking
13:35
our glasses and she says, these
13:38
are the board of directors for
13:41
the Doll company. Yeah,
13:45
that helped me to realize
13:48
that this plantation was
13:51
supporting the people
13:53
that we're having martini lunches. And
13:56
so I asked her, I said, so they're
13:58
leaving right now, Are they going
14:00
to go in into the pineapple fields
14:03
to thank my mother and my father for
14:06
what they do to give them
14:08
their flaunting wealth?
14:11
And she says, I don't think so, And
14:13
then I was crushed at that moment.
14:31
Doll closed its plantation after
14:34
its parent company was bought by a billionaire
14:36
named David Murdoch. Murdoch
14:39
is what locals now call a poor billionaire.
14:42
He was only worth a couple of billion dollars compared
14:44
to Ellison's roughly nine billion dollar
14:46
fortune. People told
14:49
me they remember Murdoch routinely complaining
14:51
about how much money he was losing from the island.
14:54
Ultimately, when he could no longer afford
14:57
to keep it running, he sold it to Ellison.
15:00
But Murdoch's impact on the island was enormous.
15:03
He's the one who built the two hotels and
15:06
oversaw the transition from pineapples to
15:08
tourism. The change wasn't
15:10
easy, and he tangled with many of Lenais
15:13
residents during his reign, often
15:15
getting into screaming matches with locals.
15:17
But unlike Ellison, people here told
15:20
me the island's previous owner was at least willing
15:22
to talk to them face to face. For
15:25
me, that is a
15:27
relationship, and that is one that
15:30
allows us to interact whether we agree
15:33
or disagree. I've had
15:35
that relationship with with Murdoch because
15:37
when he was wrong, when he had no idea
15:39
about it, I wouldn't hesitate to him,
15:42
and he would always tell me, you know, you're
15:44
a thorn in my side, you know, And
15:46
I took that as a compliment. Now
15:50
with Ellison, it's a completely different
15:52
story. Solve remembers
15:54
approaching the president of Ellison's company
15:57
to ask for a meeting with the new owner. I
15:59
say, Kurt, I would like to request
16:02
a meeting with Ellison in
16:04
person. Kurt's response
16:07
to me, and I'll never
16:09
forget this, He says,
16:12
I don't mean to be disrespectful, but
16:15
that is not Ellison's style. Those
16:17
are the exact words they've been ingrained
16:20
in me from that very moment. And my
16:22
response to Kurt was, first
16:24
of all, that is disrespectful,
16:27
But beyond that,
16:30
I still have an expectation that
16:33
we need to sit down and meet, you know,
16:35
and so I make my requests.
16:39
So I've been waiting now for ten
16:41
years to have a conversation, just
16:44
to get to meet this person
16:47
who somehow this mystic and
16:50
this mover and shaker in a community
16:52
of which we don't get to see you or no, and
16:54
my requests have never been acknowledged
16:57
or responded to. I also
17:00
to speak with Kurt Matsumoto, the president
17:02
of Ellison's management company, but
17:04
he didn't respond to my emails. A
17:08
spokesperson for Poulama did suggest
17:10
I talked to Diane Presa, who acts
17:12
as a liaison between the company and the
17:14
community. She didn't seem
17:16
to want to talk much about Ellison's plans,
17:19
but she was the only person from Ellison's company
17:22
who agreed to be interviewed. So I
17:24
had to ask, do you feel
17:26
like you have a broad sense of what the plans
17:28
Polama has for the community? Are?
17:31
You know? Things change at Puloma all the time. So
17:34
I hate to say something and then it
17:36
doesn't happen, you know, I guess
17:38
like long term plans, you know, um
17:44
I would say no, while
17:48
the uncertainty is scary for people
17:50
like Saul and Butch, who have lived
17:52
on l Nay for decades. There's
17:54
more at stake for the younger generation that
17:56
worries about its future here on the island. Take
17:59
Michelle Fuji, a thirty eight year
18:01
old high school math teacher who grew up
18:03
here and is raising her two kids here. She
18:06
loves lenai An enthusiastically
18:08
offered to drive me around to show me her
18:10
favorite parts of the island. Like pretty
18:12
much everyone else here, her speedometer rarely
18:15
topped, and
18:17
it seems like she waved at every passing car
18:19
and person. Let's see if Auntie
18:21
wants to ride because she's walking to the rain.
18:24
Sorry, that's Auntie.
18:28
You like when ride it is raining?
18:31
You sure? Okay, you go girl
18:34
with your exercise. Everyone
18:37
seems to know everyone here. People
18:39
refer to their elders as aunties and
18:41
uncles. I routinely saw people
18:43
hugging. A stranger even invited
18:45
me to his kid's birthday party on the beach. Ellison
18:48
is not part of any of that, and
18:51
it doesn't go unnoticed. I
18:53
think a big difference between Murdoch
18:56
and Allison is is just the connection to
18:58
the community. Like I and
19:00
and I maybe it's like, you know how there's like
19:02
the five love languages and what is your
19:04
best like love language UM,
19:07
And so maybe Murdoch was
19:09
like words of affirmation or service,
19:12
you know, where he would actually come out UM
19:15
or quality time and spend time with the
19:17
community members, like people knew him by
19:19
like first name, and you know, whenever
19:22
he would come home, like sure there's still that plantation
19:24
boss mentality and everybody
19:27
bowed down and you know, praise
19:29
you. But at the same time, it's like people
19:31
knew who he was. When you've seen his face,
19:33
you would recognize him and he would greet
19:35
you. Ellison is a little
19:38
bit different. I've never met him.
19:40
Without any insight from Ellison, that
19:42
leaves Michelle to fill in the blanks about
19:44
how his company's plans will affect her
19:46
life. I don't think that I'm
19:49
fully Like
19:51
if I had to put my money on whether or
19:53
not Poulama is
19:56
solely in it for the
19:59
best interest of our community, I
20:01
would not put my whole fortune on
20:03
it, you know what I mean. Since the pandemic
20:06
started, more rich people seem to
20:08
be moving to the island. Michelle
20:10
is worried about the community becoming more divided
20:13
economically. One of
20:15
my biggest fears is that the people
20:17
of this community will sort of be
20:19
the ones that would
20:22
be caring for the elite rich
20:24
that can't afford to actually live here one day,
20:26
and that's our sole purpose. Like
20:29
as an educator, you would think that we
20:32
would want our students
20:35
to graduate and aspire to be more
20:38
than just somebody's servant. Michelle
20:45
and her fiance have three kids between
20:47
the two of them and are excited about getting
20:50
married, but she says it's getting impossible
20:52
to find housing, especially after
20:54
Ellison moved to the island and the pace
20:57
of his construction projects have picked
20:59
up. All those
21:01
projects need people to build them,
21:03
which means more construction workers living
21:06
on the island taking up the already
21:08
limited housing options. There's
21:10
no houses. Really, isn't
21:12
any homes
21:15
that we could affordably
21:18
rent, you know, Like I think now, if we
21:20
were to try and find the house that was being
21:22
rented by some local family, we would be paying
21:25
like two dollars a month, because
21:27
that's what construction workers would pay,
21:29
or that's what you know, the market would
21:31
allow for. To alleviate
21:33
the housing crunch, Ellison is building
21:35
more homes on the island. The plan
21:38
initially had units for sale, but
21:40
something changed and now they're all
21:42
only for rent. At first, Michelle
21:45
was against the project because of the change
21:47
and the fact that the units will all be fully
21:49
furnished, making it feel like they're
21:51
for outsiders moving to the island temporarily.
21:55
But with her wedding coming up, she's desperate
21:58
for options. That where
22:00
my sway changed, you know, Like
22:02
then it's like, okay, well, if we're thinking about
22:04
the future as a married couple and
22:06
we're not able to live together unless
22:09
we you know, I don't want to
22:11
say sell out because it's not really selling out
22:13
because we're not really selling anything, but it
22:16
definitely changed my perspective
22:18
of things versus it just being like,
22:22
you know, we gotta think about ways that we're going to merge
22:24
our family, and that
22:26
right now would be a solution. Younger
22:31
families like Michelle's have been moving
22:33
off the island recently. Michelle
22:35
said she worries that if she did leave and
22:38
gave up her housing and her job, then
22:40
there'd be no way for her or her kids to return
22:43
because everything is becoming so expensive
22:47
and there are so few employment opportunities
22:50
outside of working for the billionaire around
22:53
the world. As the rich get richer and
22:55
decided to move into your neighborhood, changing
22:58
it to fit their tastes. People
23:00
often throw around the word gentrification,
23:04
but on the night it goes beyond that,
23:06
because it ultimately comes down to the tastes
23:09
of one person who increasingly
23:11
dictates who and what is
23:13
allowed on his island. And in this
23:15
version of gentrification, you're not
23:18
pushed further from the city center. You're
23:20
pushed into the ocean, and who
23:22
knows if you can come back. When
23:34
I first started reporting on this season of The
23:37
Paycheck, an economist named Gabriel
23:39
Zuckman told me something that's stuck
23:41
with me. He said, if
23:43
you think about it, extreme wealth inequality
23:47
is inefficient. To
23:49
someone like Larry Ellison, an extra
23:52
billion dollars doesn't change
23:54
his life that much, but
23:56
that amount of money for the thousands of people
23:59
on the island, it would drastically
24:01
change their lives. When you own
24:04
a hundred billion dollars, it's just useless.
24:06
It's not changing their lifestyle. It
24:10
has no meaning. And
24:12
whereas an extrat billion, you know that that could
24:14
be I don't know, paid in taxes
24:17
spent on education and
24:20
healthcare, on infrastructure that
24:23
that is valuable. Next
24:25
week on the Paycheck. We had to a place
24:27
where the government's decisions about
24:30
how to manage the pandemic had
24:32
unintended consequences for women.
24:35
I mean, as public had professionals.
24:37
We must do better. We have
24:39
to educate people. We had to educate
24:42
communities, We had to educate
24:44
po data. It will be a mainting if
24:46
we can help them to work together
24:48
with the physicians, for
24:51
them to learn more and to be working
24:53
together. Thanks for listening
24:55
to The Paycheck. If you like our show,
24:57
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or ever you listen to podcasts and
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rate a review and subscribe. This
25:04
episode was hosted by me Rebecca
25:06
Greenfield and reported by Sophie
25:08
Alexander. It was edited by
25:10
Shelley Banjo with help from Francesca
25:12
Levi, Janet Paskin Rocksheeta
25:15
Soluja, and me. We also
25:17
had editing help from Daniel Balby, Kristin
25:20
B. Brown, Gildaa, Carly, Nicole
25:22
Flato, Melissa McDonald, and
25:24
Kai Schultz. This
25:26
episode was produced by Gildaa, Carly and
25:29
sound engineered by Matt kim
25:31
Our. Original music is by Leo Sidron. Special
25:34
thanks to Magnus Hendrickson, Mckinnonda
25:36
Keeper, Margaret Sutherland, Stacy
25:39
Wong, and Aisha Diello. Francesca
25:41
Levy is Bloomberg's head of podcasts. See
25:44
you next week.
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