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From real AFM, this is the

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pan addict episode five hundred and

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forty. Today's show is brought to you by Squarespace

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and Trade. My name is Mike Hurley, and

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I'm joined by Brad Dowdy, hi Brad. What

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is up? Mike

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Hurley. How are you? What is up, Brad?

0:21

What is up? All of these is TPA.

0:24

All of the STPA that we haven't answered

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in months. A lot is. These

0:29

are, like, all of our listeners, like, they're awesome

0:31

and, like, they they, you know, they

0:33

appreciate us, you know, helping them out with

0:35

their scPA questions. Mike, and they

0:37

they, you know, are looking for

0:39

answers from us and then what do we do? We add them

0:42

to a show doc, and then Brad Rambles

0:44

too long, and then we never get to them.

0:46

So let's get to them this

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week. What do you think? I love it. I

0:49

do you know, I worry sometimes. I like

0:51

I see these questions, and they go back so long.

0:53

And I'm like, as some

0:55

of that, like, move on. You know when they Oh,

0:57

totally. They just moved on. And

1:00

so, like, there's no help at all, and they were like real

1:02

young on us, and now we just -- Mhmm. -- know about

1:04

them. I know.

1:05

I it keeps me up at night, Mike.

1:06

Oh, no. Doesn't that happen? That

1:08

might be a tad too much.

1:11

No. III take my responsibilities seriously.

1:14

Okay. Okay. Carol

1:18

asks, what

1:20

is a pen that you purchased that was not

1:22

in your usual wheelhouse of what you

1:24

like? But is beyond amazing.

1:27

For Carol, it was an

1:29

iron side pen from

1:32

a birmingham pens. Mhmm.

1:35

Apartment m in company. So yeah. Is

1:37

this my bumming? I'm a y'all bumming. I'm

1:39

that is this is neither Okay.

1:42

Well, I mean, technically, it's mine, but it's

1:44

not even Birmingham. Right.

1:47

But they would They say Birmingham. Right?

1:49

They would probably say Birmingham. Well, no. No. I was

1:51

saying it your way. But yeah, but it's not the Birmingham

1:53

that's actually the the big city. It's

1:55

actually a region and old

1:57

historical, like, in Pittsburgh Steel.

2:00

Steel country up in Pennsylvania. So I don't

2:02

know the exact technical,

2:05

geographic naming reason, but it's

2:07

basically the Pennsylvania,

2:09

Pittsburgh Steel City, that whole that

2:11

whole thing, not actual Birmingham, Alabama,

2:14

which is close to me. So Aside

2:17

from that background, there's background from

2:19

Carol in this. Carol is one of

2:21

my biggest enablers on

2:24

stream. She

2:26

is the one, Brad, have you seen this? Brad, have

2:28

you seen this? Brad, you need to look at this. So, like, I

2:30

pretty much have a list that just it's

2:32

pretty much just called Carol. Carol's

2:34

recommendations because she's always right.

2:36

She's like always like into stuff that

2:38

she knows. She knows what I like and

2:40

will therefore recommend the things. So

2:43

she has been on me about this iron sides pin.

2:45

And I was like, I'm not buying this pin. Like, this

2:47

is not a pin for me. Right? It's a so

2:49

what the iron sides is, and we'll have a link in the chat

2:51

to this over Birmingham, Benco, which

2:53

is if y'all are familiar

2:56

with Birmingham or have heard me

2:58

speak of them before, they make a lot of inks. Right?

3:00

So a lot of people use a lot of their inks. And

3:03

and I do too and I've reviewed some enjoy their

3:05

inks, but I've never bought one of their pins and they do

3:07

some pin manufacturing themselves. So

3:10

this is a full metal barrel, you know,

3:12

like the inso pima or

3:15

Oh, what's that one from the UK that you like?

3:18

I'm blanking on it. Nexus.

3:21

What was it? Gotcha. Oh, it was

3:23

Nmi Sue. Nmi Sue. So, yeah, like a full

3:25

metal barrel pin. Like, which

3:27

is great. Like, I like my full metal campaigns

3:29

just, you know, in last week's episode, I

3:31

raved about the Diplomat Aero. I

3:34

just don't need a lot of the

3:36

full metal barrel pins. This

3:39

one is kind of tempting, right,

3:41

because they will anodize

3:43

color match clips and nibs. So

3:46

say you have like just a steel colored

3:49

barrel and like the link I put in the show

3:51

notes. There's a bunch of different colors, but the one I chose

3:53

has like this mint, turquoise

3:55

y blue nib and clip. It looks awesome.

3:58

Right? But, like, I am not

4:00

interested in necessarily buying this pen

4:02

because I don't think I would totally

4:05

use it. And Carol

4:08

felt the same way. She's like, I'm not

4:10

sure. And then tried it and

4:12

was actually, you know, blown

4:14

away by it. So have you ever had that experience

4:17

for a certain product in the

4:19

past. So, like, that's the question here.

4:22

Like, that was her. Like, this is

4:24

not my wheelhouse, but I went ahead

4:26

and bought it, and it turns out it's perfect.

4:28

Do you have that

4:28

pen?

4:29

King of Pen? Yeah. That's

4:31

such a good answer. When I first

4:33

saw the king of Pen, I just thought it

4:35

was a ridiculous joke. Like, it's just it

4:37

was, like, a joke to me. It was this It was

4:39

like It was like,

4:41

it was like,

4:43

it really got me. It was how big large than

4:45

it was. And I just was like, there's no

4:47

way this is for me. It's way too big.

4:49

I'm not gonna enjoy it. Boy

4:52

was I wrong? Yep.

4:54

Yeah. I think that's a really really

4:56

great answer because we were thinking the

4:58

same way. I like to the point of like this

5:00

is ridiculous. List. Like, this is like a mockery

5:03

of a pin. And then,

5:05

you know, after spending years looking

5:07

at them, handling them, and finally breaking

5:09

down and buying one is like, okay. Yeah.

5:11

This is pretty good. This kind of works.

5:14

I I don't know why it works. I don't know how

5:16

it works, but it does work

5:18

for me. So

5:20

that was one my first thought, but then I thought of

5:22

another one. For me, it's

5:24

the Kasama, Una Ultom. Mhmm.

5:26

So another big

5:30

pin, kinda like the king of pin,

5:32

large wide barrel, a little bit stubby,

5:34

you know, not really long, but

5:36

wide. It

5:38

has a huge titanium

5:41

metal grip section. So it's

5:43

very front weighted with the the

5:45

ultimate rear section. Of

5:47

the barrel and then had

5:49

this huge concave cut

5:52

out for the grip that

5:54

was dropped back from

5:56

the front of the pin a little bit. Right? Like,

5:58

the the concave didn't taper

6:00

down to the edge of the barrel. Right?

6:02

It was, like, in the center of

6:04

the grip section. So, like, is

6:06

one of those Instagram pins you see and

6:08

you're going, wow. This looks

6:11

amazing and there's

6:13

no way I will be able to use this pin.

6:15

Right? Just it's not gonna fit my hand. It's not

6:17

gonna feel right. It's

6:19

just not gonna work for

6:21

my writing at all. And then

6:24

lucky for us. We get to

6:26

go to pin shows and other people have these

6:28

pins. And I was able to test one out.

6:30

I was like, okay. This

6:32

actually doesn't

6:35

just work. It's kind of perfect.

6:37

Right? Kind of like the king of pen. This

6:40

works

6:40

exceptionally well for how I handwrite

6:42

to how I write my hands. But again, like the king

6:44

of pen, I would never

6:46

recommend this to anybody unless they

6:48

got to try it first. Right? They're that unique

6:50

of a product. As

6:52

far as, like, the shape and the

6:54

balance and the weight. But

6:57

now, like, I couldn't. Not

6:59

have this pen. Like, I'm so glad I finally

7:01

got one. And it's it's been

7:03

everything I hoped it would. It's it's fantastic.

7:05

Okay. I don't

7:08

I don't think I've ever used this, but I know

7:10

you've mentioned it before. I know because Yeah.

7:12

I don't think I've seen you since I've

7:14

owned this pin. I've only probably only

7:16

had like a year, year and a half. So --

7:18

Yeah. -- we got it sometime last year. It's

7:20

it's great. I this is a pin, kinda

7:22

like the king of pin. I would buy another one. Like,

7:24

I don't need five of these. Right? But

7:26

there's some different colors and shapes and different

7:28

materials. So Kasama makes use a lot

7:30

of the the

7:32

medical grade plastics like ultim and

7:35

peak. And some of those things that we're seeing,

7:37

like, you know, show design and other

7:39

other makers grabbing to us pick up

7:41

and doing these really unique sections. And I think they're

7:43

beautiful. And now that I know it works for me,

7:45

I would probably like a second one, you

7:47

know, maybe

7:47

not, you know, a third one, but, you know, yeah,

7:50

I would I would definitely partake

7:52

in another one of these. Alright.

7:56

Next question comes from Jacob. What's

7:58

the best a five notebook cover

8:00

of around three pen, three pen

8:02

storage? I prefer non

8:04

leather due to price point. I just wanted

8:06

to carry some loose leaf notebooks

8:08

with two to three sub thirty

8:10

five dollar mountain pence. How

8:14

long is this podcast gonna be today? However,

8:16

how long you want it to be?

8:20

This question. Is

8:23

so perfect because it is so

8:25

difficult to answer. Okay. You

8:27

would think this would be the simplest

8:29

problem to solve. And we've

8:31

run across this before. Right? We

8:33

have had this question. This is a

8:35

common problem that

8:37

people have. I have a notebook.

8:39

I have pens. I want to put them

8:41

together and take

8:43

them with me and then be able to use

8:45

them. Historically,

8:50

you've been able to have a

8:52

notebook and maybe

8:55

if you're notebook manufacturer sure

8:58

wants to throw you a

9:00

bone, they might

9:02

add in a single pin loop. Or

9:06

some weird over the cover

9:08

elastic bit or something

9:10

on the spine to carry one

9:12

pin. So the

9:14

notebook makers themselves aren't

9:16

really in the business

9:19

of solving this problem. They're in the

9:21

business of hey, we'll make a

9:23

cover for our notebook or

9:25

build something into the cover of our notebook.

9:27

But it's kind of an

9:29

afterthought. Right? So the

9:33

notebook makers don't care.

9:36

But we care as writers and

9:39

stationary lovers and wanna use all of our

9:41

stuff all the time. So

9:44

is there a way to have

9:47

a case to hold

9:49

the notebook and to hold

9:52

two to three

9:53

pins. There is.

9:55

Mike, there's a wonderful product called

9:58

the KNOCK a five seed. How could

10:00

you do this?

10:04

Because this, it's

10:06

unbelievable to

10:08

me, to this day. That

10:12

this product is not

10:14

more widespread.

10:16

Now, we did invent something with

10:18

the NOC A5C we

10:20

just try to answer Jacob's

10:22

question in our way.

10:24

Right? I want

10:27

a cover for my notebook. And within

10:29

that cover I would like to

10:31

store two pens. Mhmm. I'm not

10:33

asking for a lot. Right? I'm not asking

10:35

for six pins and a notebook and this

10:37

whole big bulky system.

10:40

So it's a technical

10:42

challenge. To

10:45

do this right. So the reason why the

10:47

notebook makers don't make

10:50

larger items is because

10:52

once you start putting multiple pens

10:54

in any type of cover with

10:56

a notebook in it as well, you

10:58

start to compromise the performance of the notebook.

11:00

Right? You're laying the cover

11:02

somewhere over these

11:05

pins. Right? So you have a side of the

11:07

notebook that is now wobbly or

11:09

bulky or uneven, you

11:11

know, it's not flattening more, all of

11:13

these types of, like, technical

11:15

issues. These are the things I think about when when

11:17

we were making products. Right? So

11:19

how do we solve these technical issues and

11:22

get what we want? Right? I

11:24

want a self enclosed

11:27

case for a notebook and some pens make

11:29

it happen. So the way we were able

11:31

to design the seed is when

11:33

you you could have two pen slots because

11:35

when you would open the case and

11:37

open up the notebook, the pins

11:39

would slide mostly out of

11:41

the way of the

11:44

first slot of

11:46

the of where the pins were slotted in there. And then

11:48

you would take out one of the pins to

11:50

write with the more inside

11:52

pocket, and then the cover of the notebook

11:54

would lay down flat. Right?

11:56

So if you took out the

11:58

inside, pin

12:00

in the slot, you would get

12:03

a perfectly laying

12:05

notebook. And even

12:07

a sacrifice too because, well, what if I don't wanna do

12:09

I have to move what if I wanna use the

12:11

outside pin in

12:13

this slide? Well, I would have to take them both out

12:16

or swap the pins to get the notebook up

12:18

really flat. So this is why this

12:20

is my long winded designee

12:23

explanation of why you can't have nice

12:25

things, Jacob. Because

12:27

there is a technical challenge

12:30

to having a good

12:33

writing surface and pin storage

12:35

in a single unit.

12:36

Okay? Mhmm. So that's why we

12:38

made the seed and it worked.

12:41

So I started looking around since

12:43

we're not making the seat anymore. And maybe we will,

12:45

one day, maybe I'll work on a collaboration with

12:47

someone to continue the seat because it obviously

12:49

solves a problem. So,

12:52

like, what you wanted to look what

12:54

I wanted to look for when trying to answer this question is,

12:56

I wanna look for makers. Who

12:59

don't make their own notebooks. Right?makers

13:01

who are making things to surround

13:03

notebooks and build in pen

13:04

solutions. So whenever

13:05

the lot will be more like general,

13:08

Yes. Or yep. Yep. Make

13:10

me a case that I

13:12

can carry a bunch of stuff in. So I went over

13:14

to lock be. And I was thinking that LOCK

13:16

B, I know they make notebook covers and I know they

13:18

make pen cases. I was like, do they have a

13:20

notebook cover that has

13:22

pen slots in it? You know, that that I was

13:24

thinking they certainly have this

13:26

solution. Their

13:28

notebook cover has zero pen slots.

13:32

And this is common. Right?

13:34

That's the way to do it

13:38

because most the time you end up making

13:40

a compromised product adding in pin

13:42

slots. So knock lock b's

13:44

notebook cover. Right. The inside

13:46

pockets are all flat. They're for

13:48

cards. And rulers and anything that will

13:50

lay flat to not compromise your

13:52

notebook writing. So

13:56

you know, their field notebook cover. Like, it

13:58

it's an awesome cover, but there's no pen

14:00

slots. So your solution

14:03

Jacob unfortunately is is like a plus one

14:05

situation. Right? You have to have a

14:07

notebook plus. Right? So you

14:09

find your notebook, find a notebook cover, and then

14:11

you have a penpal. Right? Like a three

14:13

pin slot pouch which you can get, you

14:15

know, like Rick Shaw or anyone. And we're because

14:17

we're mostly looking at non leather solutions

14:19

here, you know, nylon. WEX

14:22

canvas. That's what Locke me and Rick Shaw

14:24

do. So,

14:26

unfortunately, that's, like, today, that's what you're

14:28

looking at. There might be something out there. And if anyone

14:30

has you know, a

14:32

nylon or fabric based solution. I

14:35

think, Galen, like, if you're if

14:37

you are looking for an answer to this, well and are

14:39

open to leather. I think Gaitlyn

14:41

leather does have a six pin

14:44

notebook holder, but

14:46

again, like, you you have to accept some compromise

14:49

in that type of situation.

14:51

So the other idea, which

14:55

is also a great

14:57

nock design. We we were pretty good

14:59

at what we did at Nocko. I'm

15:01

not gonna lie. We were So we designed a

15:03

product called the the Burton, which

15:05

is an upgrade of the Lanier. It's a

15:07

pouch. It's an a five pouch where you

15:09

slide in your notebook in the center.

15:11

And then you have accessory storage,

15:15

you know, in pockets on the side. Right?

15:17

So it's not necessarily a

15:21

cover that goes on the heart cover of the

15:23

notebook, but it's a notebook

15:25

sized envelope

15:27

wallet, if you will, that carries the notebook

15:29

plus accessories. Right? Like superior labor makes

15:31

some good ones now. Things

15:33

like that. So in Lihit Lab, I put a link

15:35

in the show notes to Lihit Lab.

15:37

They are the the bag and the bag inventor

15:40

The bag and the bag. Yep. They're the bag

15:42

and the bag people. So they

15:44

make some good options if you want to carry

15:46

like a notebook in a sleeve type

15:48

cover and then have some storage for

15:50

pins built in there, but it's

15:52

not a cover in the

15:54

way that you and I think about a notebook

15:56

cover. So there you

15:59

go. This

16:01

this made me put on my my designing hat

16:03

and and made me

16:05

realize the reason why we made some of the

16:07

products we made at NOC because they

16:09

literally answer questions

16:13

that no one really had any other answers

16:15

to. And I

16:17

I Yeah. Makes me sad. It's the best part.

16:20

Does it make me sad? Yeah. Yeah. Like

16:22

so maybe we can continue some of these. I'll I'm

16:24

gonna continue to work on some collaborations next

16:26

year, Bernock. And

16:29

those are two two products that would be at

16:31

the top of the list of the seed and either

16:33

the the liner slash burton, probably

16:35

the burton shape. The burden

16:37

was a little bit more detailed and had dedicated

16:39

pin slots and things like that. So,

16:41

yeah, it's a

16:43

tough I wish I had an exact

16:46

answer for you, Jacob. And maybe it's out there that

16:48

I'm not aware of,

16:50

but I wanted to at least explain the

16:52

reasons why you can't find that

16:54

product. And as I'd say

16:56

that from, like, as a someone who helped

16:58

design products like this, there's sacrifices

17:00

you have to

17:00

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17:02

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17:04

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Next question comes from Mike.

18:59

Not me. I own a

19:01

big eye design

19:03

TI Ultra. TI Ultra, Titanium

19:06

Ultra, TI Ultra. How do I say it?

19:08

How do I say it out loud?

19:09

TI? You would be fine either

19:12

way. Okay.

19:12

So I say I say TI, but I think

19:14

TI Ultra is actually acceptable when you're

19:16

talking about the titanium initials

19:18

TI. But I say TI. So

19:21

Mike wants to know, can I

19:23

use any ballpoint rollable

19:25

gel refill that I want? You don't

19:27

have a top five list. So what do

19:29

you like? I love this. You're

19:31

down, Mike. You're just the top five

19:33

list generator. And if you don't have it,

19:36

it's unacceptable. That isn't what that mic said.

19:38

This mic said that, but the other mic said,

19:40

you don't have a top five list. What do you

19:42

like? Preference for a highest

19:44

saturation color and not super

19:46

micro line my hand hands don't have the dexterity

19:48

for

19:48

it. I kept that parted

19:50

on purpose. I was like, that was

19:53

great. This

19:53

thing You just do a job, Brad. You

19:56

just do it. Just do the job, Brad.

19:58

Yeah. So this is

20:00

a this is a good question. So

20:02

the TIL Trump is

20:06

so if you're familiar with Big Eye Design,

20:08

they make various pens that take

20:10

that use like a clutch type

20:13

mechanism to fit a bunch of different

20:15

refills into the single pin barrel.

20:17

So you just buy a pin barrel. You

20:19

can swap in and out refills. What the ultra is, it also has

20:21

a fountain pen tip. So it's it's a really

20:23

cool cool pen. So you can it's kind of an

20:25

really an all in one type of situation.

20:28

So when Mike, I guess, is not

20:30

using the fountain pen, they

20:32

want to use a

20:34

high saturation color and

20:36

not super micro line So what's

20:38

the refill recommendation. So when I think

20:40

of high saturation color, I think

20:42

of the Unibail One because that's what

20:44

it's marketing marketed as. This is

20:46

a high saturated color. Gel

20:50

ink pen. So the colors are rich,

20:53

smooth, wonderful. The kicker, and I'll

20:55

put all of these links in the show notes for for Mike to go check them

20:57

out because I have a few here. The

20:59

kicker with the unit about one is they only

21:01

go up to point five millimeters, so

21:03

Mike if they want. It's

21:05

not a micro line, but it's kind

21:07

of in the middle, so that might be too fine if

21:09

that is too fine. The Unibail

21:11

307, the ink is similar.

21:14

To that of the Unibail one, they have point

21:16

seven millimeter options and

21:19

but they only come in like black, red, and

21:22

blue. Instead of where the Unibail one comes in, you know,

21:24

a dozen colors and things like

21:26

that. The main just

21:29

standard you know, not

21:31

marketed that as a high saturated coloring,

21:33

but it's just technically like a really good

21:35

color gel ink, pinto

21:38

Energell. The RTX has

21:40

an o seven millimeter gel.

21:42

Pen, that's one of my

21:44

personal favorites. They come in

21:47

probably twenty different colors. They have

21:49

a navy blue that I really use a

21:51

lot. It's really, really good.

21:54

So I would probably try the

21:56

RTX and then one of the

21:58

Uni Ball's to see if you could actually

22:00

tell a difference

22:00

in, like, the the color saturation

22:03

in those, but I think those are gonna be good

22:05

choices for Mike. So that's the

22:07

top three then? Yep. And

22:09

frames wants to know. Frames

22:11

has a question that I've been intrigued

22:14

about, actually. Yeah. You're

22:16

right. How's the pan addict one hundred

22:17

going? It's going

22:19

pretty poorly. Do you remind

22:20

people what that is? So

22:23

back in the early

22:26

summer, I was thinking to

22:28

myself, like, it's time about once

22:30

a year I will go through my fountain pen

22:32

collection and, like, my personal stuff, my

22:34

personal library of pens, I like to call

22:36

it, and sell off

22:38

pens that I haven't been using. So

22:42

this was around the time I discovered

22:44

Toyota Kraft. So

22:46

they're the beautiful Japanese storage

22:48

box manufacturer. And they

22:50

make a box that holds a hundred pins. I was like, you

22:52

know what, if I can't

22:54

live with one

22:56

hundred pins or less, whatever I

22:58

can fit into this box. You know,

23:00

like, I'm doing it wrong. Like -- Mhmm.

23:02

-- like like you say that out

23:03

loud, it's like the most ridiculous thing anyone's

23:06

ever said out loud. It's like --

23:06

Mhmm. -- really, like, you

23:09

can't deal with, like, less than a hundred pens.

23:11

So I made it a goal. It's like, I'm gonna

23:13

have all of my personal pen library

23:15

fit into this box. called it the panache one

23:17

hundred because that's how many slots are in this

23:19

box. So

23:21

I've had the box. I've filled the box.

23:23

I have pulled probably

23:26

twenty pins off to the side

23:28

to try to sell in

23:30

an effort to to get down

23:32

to this number and it's just been

23:34

on hold pretty much ever since. So I just haven't had

23:37

time to actually do it.

23:39

So we're gonna we're gonna bump that

23:41

into to q one, Mike.

23:43

That's gonna We're

23:45

gonna circle back. Yeah. We're gonna circle

23:47

back on that because it it has to happen.

23:49

This is going to happen. And then

23:51

this way, the end goal of this is to

23:54

have the box. It doesn't have to it obviously would

23:56

need to be less than one hundred, right, because things

23:58

will be moving in and but

24:00

the goal is to stay within the parameters of

24:02

the one hundred count box and

24:05

then have a spreadsheet attached,

24:08

say, these This is my library of

24:10

pens -- Mhmm. -- and keep track

24:12

and do a little bit of tracking. And then this

24:14

will allow me to sell or

24:16

re home or give away the

24:18

pins that do not make this

24:20

top one hundred of my personal fountain

24:22

pen library. So it's going

24:24

to happen. It has to happen.

24:27

So there there's no if the answer butts

24:29

about it. Like, I actually my my

24:31

desk in in the

24:33

other room literally has all

24:35

the pins that I've pulled so far

24:37

boxed up to sell. Like, I

24:39

just haven't moved on it. So -- Right. -- and

24:41

it's not it's not gonna happen before the end of the

24:43

year at this point. So too too much going

24:45

on. So it's it's fallen

24:47

by the wayside. And that one of

24:49

the issues, and I'll be perfectly

24:51

honest, is I bought too many between San Francisco

24:53

and Orlando. Oops.

24:54

Oops. Oops. So, like, I

24:56

could still I can totally manage getting under a

24:58

hundred, but, like, I added in a

25:00

few extra because it

25:02

will be slowly planning on. One in one

25:04

out. Right. Like It will eventually that's

25:06

the goal. Yeah. Like, we have

25:08

to manage I I think it's good to

25:10

manage your personal collection of

25:13

stationery. Right? Mhmm. Like, it's just

25:15

it only makes sense because

25:17

like I tend to as as we

25:19

saw between San Francisco and Orlando. I I

25:22

tend to get a little loose when I haven't been out

25:24

shopping in a while and like you said

25:26

budget. What's that? So, yeah, this

25:28

will happen, but we're we're

25:30

gonna we're gonna revisit that

25:32

in the in the first part of twenty twenty

25:35

three. Like, I I just have to take it off my

25:37

plate right now. I'm I'm too busy with other stuff.

25:39

So it it is it is

25:41

definitely the item that gets pushed down

25:43

the list. Because it's not

25:46

mandatory, but it it kind of

25:48

is at the same

25:48

time. Right? So It would be good. Yeah.

25:51

And it would be good content when you

25:53

do it. Yep, sir. Arrow wants to

25:55

know, the recent mention of the

25:57

Pro Gear Wicked Witch, I was

25:59

in nineteen eleven. Still a

26:01

broken pen. Nineteen eleven. Nineteen

26:03

eleven on the show made me jump up and down

26:05

my first serious

26:05

pen. But do you worry about the

26:08

Aquaman ink messing up

26:10

the black Ion coated nib? Really

26:12

great question. There are

26:15

inks that could --

26:18

Mhmm. -- mess with that. I

26:21

tend to not overly

26:24

obsess about that because I'm okay

26:26

with imperfections. But

26:28

as someone who does own sailor

26:30

ion plated nibs, what I have

26:32

found is it's not the ink

26:34

that I personally have a problem with.

26:36

Taking away any

26:39

of like the plating on the nib.

26:41

It's actually cleaning

26:44

the pen. Because

26:46

I am a very

26:49

obsessive cleaner. Like, I don't

26:51

have to Like, I can have sitting

26:53

here inked. Right? Or that need to be cleaned and

26:55

they can sit here on the desk for weeks at

26:57

a time and just waiting to

27:00

be cleaned. But once I do decide to

27:02

clean them, clean them, I am

27:04

obsessive about getting them like a

27:06

hundred percent clean. So I

27:08

didn't notice you don't notice this at first with like the

27:10

eye on plated. This was in an

27:12

imperial saleer, Imperial Black, which is the same

27:14

plating. And maybe it's

27:16

just because it's older. I don't know if they've changed the

27:18

plating process or whatever, but

27:20

the nib, I could start to see lighter

27:23

colors on the nib, and I think it was

27:25

from where I was like cleaning

27:27

the nib or rubbing it or

27:29

drying it or whatever I'm doing

27:31

like aggressively to get the

27:33

nib

27:33

clean. Over time, the

27:36

ion plating started to lighten

27:37

up. But once I saw

27:40

it and it's like, okay. Yes. It's lighter.

27:42

It's like, okay. We're just gonna keep

27:44

going. Right? Like, hopefully, you'll get

27:46

to a point where, you know, you don't want it

27:48

you don't want to actively cause damage. Right?

27:50

Like, I think that's Harold's goal. It's like, hey, I don't

27:52

wanna actively cause damage. don't think

27:54

you generally are with Acrimon Inc. They're

27:56

made by diamine allegedly.

27:59

And those are about

28:01

you know, as tame of an ink as you you

28:03

can have number ten,

28:05

acumen number ten. Like, you didn't Harold didn't

28:07

mention ink he he was using

28:10

acronym number ten is a

28:12

is a permanent or has some like

28:14

iron ball tendencies in it. So maybe you wanna clean that

28:16

a little bit better, but I don't think it's gonna your nib. But

28:19

there there are inks out there that

28:21

will affect your plating. Just

28:24

I just implore just not just

28:27

enjoy your pin and your ink if you like

28:29

it. And, you know, do do

28:31

your research like Harold Sewen to not

28:33

actively damage it, but, like, I don't

28:35

think, like, I don't think you're

28:37

gonna have a problem. And, you know, you just

28:39

want to try to avoid the micromanaging

28:40

part, like, being scared away from

28:43

in a pretty basic ink --

28:45

Mhmm.

28:45

-- to to worry about the plating and

28:47

and get like that. But, like, I understand it

28:49

as well. So So

28:51

there you

28:51

go. But that that's been my experience with the ion

28:54

plating. I've never had a ton of the

28:56

plating. Nips. Go

28:58

bad. Like, I've never seen anything

29:00

get stained or anything like

29:01

that. So Yeah. The I sailors

29:03

ion plating seems to be pretty rock

29:05

solid. But, like, I do have one nib. Like,

29:07

if I showed pictures if I did side by

29:09

sides of this one nib, I I could point it

29:11

out, like, pretty clear. It's like, hey, this this is

29:14

me using this pen a lot. Maybe it was

29:16

from an

29:16

ink, but I didn't notice it till I was cleaning it

29:18

and I was like, you know what? I'm still gonna

29:20

use it and still pretty

29:22

cool. Wabi Savi.

29:25

Yep. Kim

29:29

asks, have you seen this digital

29:31

writing thing from Lomi? It

29:33

looks similar to digital writing

29:35

systems that companies like Moleskine

29:37

offers, doesn't it?

29:39

We have seen it. We've talked about

29:42

it on the show. I

29:44

am completely enamored by these

29:46

every time they come out. I don't know what your thoughts

29:48

are, Mike. Do you do you

29:51

immediately dismiss these

29:53

type of tools based on

29:56

history or like

29:57

me, I am like, yes. I

29:59

hope this one works even though I don't know

30:01

it won't. Well, so this is like a

30:04

lummy Safari digital

30:06

pen. Which can, you

30:09

know, as you write, can can make a

30:11

digital version of the notes. Mhmm.

30:13

But the thing that always happens to

30:15

me I always get this slight excitement

30:18

and then I continue going through it

30:20

and read that it has to be paired with

30:22

a specific notebook. That's where it

30:24

always falls down for me. And it's like

30:26

you need the pen and the notebook combo. Mhmm.

30:28

And that's where it's like

30:30

Yeah. That's kind of my end. For

30:33

me. Yeah. And you're pretty much stuck with those refills. Right? It's a

30:35

singular unit. It's basically the my

30:38

conclusion with these is

30:39

always, I love

30:42

this. I want this so badly

30:44

to work.

30:45

It would just be lighting

30:47

two hundred dollars on fire every

30:50

time. Yep. Because it would

30:52

last, I would be so over

30:54

it within a week that

30:56

I just, you know, the the lack

30:58

of variety, like, you know,

31:01

the, you know, the the fixed

31:03

all the fixed systems that

31:05

you have to be a part of.

31:07

Despite the fact that it

31:09

looks cool. The idea is amazing.

31:12

Right? I want this to be amazing.

31:16

And Like,

31:16

it would be collecting dust within the

31:19

span of a week. Right? So

31:21

it's like, I I want this to

31:23

work. Like, I really, really do.

31:26

And, like, technically, I'm sure it

31:28

does, but I

31:30

am not a stationary

31:32

monogamous as we have talked about. It's like,

31:34

this can't be just the thing that I use all

31:36

the time. I would be

31:38

I would be bored

31:41

to death. You know, just

31:43

in the way I write things even though,

31:45

like, I fully support,

31:47

like, the the capturing type of system

31:50

that this So, yeah, like, I love it. I could

31:52

never I would never be happy using

31:53

it. Yeah. And

31:56

all window asks I'm in

31:58

the market for a new plan and I really like the Hobonichi

32:01

cousin layout with months, weeks, and

32:03

days. But is there something similar

32:05

without all the inspirational quotes

32:07

time tracking moon phases and the general

32:08

ephemera. This question

32:11

is like the, hey, can I get a notebook cover

32:13

with the pins except this

32:15

one's little bit closer to to solvable? Right? There's a little bit

32:17

more options, a little bit more freedom in there.

32:19

So I was digging around

32:23

what our window wants to look

32:25

for is a daily planner. Right? So that's

32:27

where you're gonna start your search

32:29

when you're, you know, googling or looking

32:31

on on sites. Because when you say you

32:33

wanna lay out with months, months,

32:35

weeks, and days, those are daily

32:37

planners. Right? So they'll

32:39

name the products as

32:43

the the the primary core

32:45

feature. So if they say it's a

32:47

daily planner, that means there's gonna you're

32:49

probably gonna have one page per day. Right?

32:52

If you have a weekly planner, you're not gonna

32:54

have those one page per days. You're gonna have,

32:56

like, one week per two pages or

32:58

something like that. Right? you wanna

33:00

Google or search on these sites for a daily

33:03

planner. So, there's a

33:05

couple. The first one that I thought of was

33:07

the theology. So the

33:09

Stylurgy three sixty five days is super

33:11

popular. It's super open

33:13

while keeping a little bit

33:16

of organization date

33:18

tracking like you basically like have the dates

33:20

across the top of the page. There's

33:23

not a lot of a additional

33:26

calendaring in there. Right? You may not

33:28

get your your monthly and your

33:30

weekly spreads in there. But if you're just

33:32

looking for the

33:34

daily calendar, and he just basically

33:36

has the dates across the top of the

33:38

page. It is extremely popular.

33:40

Just for that. Right? For a planner. Some people just

33:42

use them not even as a planner. It's just like

33:44

a really good

33:45

notebook, but it does have those options. That's

33:47

the simplest one. Kind

33:49

of somewhere in the middle, maybe more of what

33:52

you're thinking about is the Madori

33:54

MD diary. has

33:56

a one day Midori makes a one day one

33:58

page planner, which is like the description I

34:00

was talking about. This is

34:02

a really popular one as well.

34:05

I have some particular

34:08

issues with this one as far

34:10

as layout goes, but some people

34:12

love it. So

34:14

the way it's designed,

34:16

there is a lot of white space

34:18

around the edges of

34:22

the page. And that's done purposefully for you. So, like,

34:24

there's a little bit of

34:26

organization areas on the day page,

34:28

like some

34:30

lines. And then there's like blank. Like, it's kinda like a half and half type

34:32

of layout. I personally I think

34:34

I would have a little bit

34:36

of a challenge using

34:39

it that way. But it might work for you. Right? It's at least

34:41

that one page per day type

34:44

of setup. But for

34:46

all things that Midori does, I thought this was a

34:48

little bit of

34:50

a weird design. They've been doing it for a

34:52

couple years, though, and I know people do do like this one a lot. Another

34:54

one to mention is

34:56

this one kind of goes

35:00

into more detail. This is probably

35:02

closer to the hobonichi. This might

35:04

be the closest to the answer in

35:06

fact, but it actually goes what you

35:08

lose in, like, the

35:10

quotes and those types of things

35:12

you actually gain in,

35:14

like, obsessiveness over, like, time

35:16

blocking the co CocoCuyo Given

35:18

Tetshi days diary. Right?

35:21

So you can you know, you see, like, a lot

35:23

of time breakdowns, a lot of different things breakdowns, but it's probably

35:26

closest to Hub and EG in the layout -- Mhmm. -- you

35:28

know, month,

35:30

week, day, but it takes day to, like, the

35:32

imp degree. Like, it takes day to, like,

35:34

hour to minute to to things

35:37

like that. So like, there's a

35:39

balance there. So those are, like, three kind of, you know,

35:42

lightweight, medium weight, heavy

35:44

weight planning. Type

35:46

of situations. And then you could always look at the launch term.

35:48

I think they have some just some one page

35:50

per day planners, but I didn't totally look at

35:52

those. But I think they generally do job

35:54

as well. So I throw a moisture in there as But look

35:56

for daily daily planners and go from

35:59

there, and that's gonna be what

36:01

you want. That's not that's not the most popular

36:03

category, so you don't have a ton

36:05

of options out

36:06

there. So hopefully those few at

36:09

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Alright. Next question comes

38:00

from Eric. So I'm

38:02

loving my new Y Studio, who's

38:04

medium Nip, but after some conversations of

38:06

a friend, who's big on stubs, I just got a sale of Pro Gave Music

38:08

Nip. This has me wondering, how do

38:10

I get a sale of Zoom Nip on

38:13

my watch

38:14

studio? Probably

38:16

with,

38:17

like, you know,

38:20

welding tools -- Difficult. -- some some

38:21

other things yet. Much difficult.

38:24

You you don't. Basically. Right?

38:26

So this is a great

38:28

question. Because it gives us the

38:30

opportunity to to discuss nibs and, like,

38:32

we won't be able to do justice in

38:34

in what time we have, we

38:36

wouldn't be able to do it just as in several episodes back to back to back.

38:38

Just not all knobs are interchangeable.

38:42

Right? So different companies make

38:44

different nibs. Companies like

38:46

Salar make their own nibs. Right? So they

38:48

have their own proprietary

38:50

shape, their own feeds, and collars

38:52

that work together with the

38:54

knob to make the ink flow

38:56

the best possible for sailors' pins.

38:59

Why studio uses Schmidt nibs. So

39:01

they have their own Schmidt nibs,

39:03

Schmidt feeds, Schmidt collars, Schmidt

39:06

housings, and you can't just swap

39:08

one nib from one maker

39:10

into another maker's, you know,

39:12

feed and and

39:14

nib hardware. Sometimes

39:16

you can every now and then there are, hey, this

39:18

is a close match and people will

39:20

be able to slot in those things. Most

39:22

of the time, it involves

39:26

some, you know, some

39:29

warranty, voiding, franking, and

39:31

staining of things to to make them

39:33

work, and then that's questionable

39:35

if they will work. So what I will tell

39:38

you is with the the

39:40

y studio medium nib,

39:42

you can't get it modified you can get, the

39:44

nib to nib ground to write differently.

39:46

You can you can't really get the

39:48

the full on tip sizing and

39:51

wetness of the the the large tipping

39:53

Salem music nip, but you could get a sub nip grind

39:55

on your y studio and it would

39:57

change the writing performance. And

40:00

that would be cheaper than buying a sale or

40:02

music knob to fit into the y studio. So

40:04

I would look at getting it modified.

40:07

You know, that's that's really

40:09

the main thing you can

40:12

do. There are some nibs

40:14

that fit into the y studios. I would

40:16

have to check honestly, I wanna check and see if the Yovos fit

40:18

those Schmidt housings. So

40:20

the Yovos fit the number five

40:22

Schmidt housings.

40:24

So depending on what y studio you have, if you have one

40:27

with a number five nib, I don't know if

40:29

you can get a Yovo number

40:32

five stub knob to swap

40:34

in there. Schmidt actually might make

40:36

one. I'm I'm thinking about this out loud. So

40:38

basically, you would have to get a Schmidt or

40:40

Yovo knob if it's a number five. Sized

40:43

nib in your y studio. I think they do make some pins with the number six side. It's a

40:45

size nib like the desk pen and

40:47

things like that. So aren't

40:50

hot swappable unfortunately for you,

40:52

Eric, but there are options

40:54

to make your writing experience

40:56

more similar to the sailor

40:58

music nib. And I

41:00

would look at getting a a stub

41:02

grind on that nib first. That

41:04

would be the easiest and best thing and

41:06

probably the most enjoyable and result

41:08

to be to be quite

41:10

honest, I think you would like

41:12

that very much. Alright, Brian asks,

41:16

This is a fun one. That's

41:17

historical historical question right here. Oh my

41:20

god. I'm listening to Mike's

41:22

Arushi Platinum drama knowing

41:24

COVID is around the corner for their

41:26

time line and it's killing me. Don't spoil

41:28

the end of the story for me. Also,

41:30

it took about a year to get through three hundred and sixty

41:32

five episodes and one three seventy five now.

41:35

So a question for you

41:38

guys. I think there's there's three questions here, are they? Yes. We can knock them

41:40

all up. And eventually, Brian will get to

41:42

this episode, I suppose. Mhmm. If

41:44

not, already there by the

41:46

time. His, as who knows. Yeah.

41:48

Probably not. This isn't that old of a question, maybe

41:50

only like a

41:50

month ago. How did you guys decide it

41:53

was time for more expensive pens?

41:57

Boy, that's a good question. I'll

41:59

just say, you know, you

42:01

kind of educated

42:04

me. Yeah. And it's educating yourself right. It's can

42:07

I learn about

42:09

these pens with

42:12

the answer I'm looking for

42:14

is, hey, how can I make my writing more

42:16

enjoyable? You know, what is

42:18

it? What is it about? Why

42:20

is this PIN? Two

42:22

hundred dollars? And what is it

42:24

gonna do for me? And enjoyment, and feel, and performance,

42:26

and style, and aesthetics.

42:30

Right? So it

42:32

was doing a lot of research figuring

42:34

out, hey, you

42:36

know, will I get enjoyment out of this

42:38

pen? And just going from

42:40

there. Right? So, you know,

42:42

it didn't necessarily have to be a gold nib, but

42:44

I know at the time it was. Right? Like, the pallet vanishing

42:47

point I think was the first first

42:49

time I went over a hundred dollars. Well, it's not only it a gold nib pen, it was

42:51

also this really cool, like, you know,

42:53

click mechanism for a

42:55

fountain pen, like retractable

42:57

nuke fountain pen. Yeah. Give me that. Like, and I still love

42:59

the vanishing point to this day. But

43:02

then you start learning about different

43:04

filling systems. And

43:06

different nib manufacturers and

43:08

different things

43:10

to personalize your writing experience.

43:12

And sometimes they were just a little

43:14

bit more expensive than, you know, some of the entry level stuff. But, like,

43:16

the entry level stuff's great too. You don't ever have

43:18

to change. Like, you know, price doesn't equal quality.

43:20

It's all what we all know. A

43:24

lot of times, the price does allow

43:25

for, like, your style and personality to come out a

43:28

little bit more. So

43:30

then Brian goes on

43:32

to ask two things. So how did you decide it was time for really expensive

43:34

pens? And how did you decide it was

43:36

time for pens that will outlast you? So

43:38

like heirloom

43:40

cans. Which I don't know if I have those yet, but may I mean, I probably do,

43:42

but, like, I don't think of my pens in

43:44

that way. But, like, for

43:48

me, even with both of these

43:50

things, it's a similar kind of thing to what we

43:52

were just talking about really where at

43:54

a certain point, it's like,

43:58

well, I know what my preferences are now

44:00

and I can continue going down. Like I don't

44:02

Like initially, when I was going into the,

44:04

like, more expensive pens, like, entry

44:07

level pens, the ones we were talking about on last week's

44:09

episode. Right? The one hundred to two hundred

44:11

dollar, like, entry to gold

44:13

nib kind of you know, like the entry too good, I

44:15

suppose, if you call that, I I can't think of a good phrase,

44:17

but calling calling a hundred dollars entry level is not what

44:19

I'm trying to say, but I think it's somewhere I'm

44:22

going. Right?

44:24

It's like, the next tier up kind of thing.

44:26

Mhmm. I feel like once you get

44:28

past that point, you have a better

44:30

idea of what your

44:32

preferences are. So you can kinda just

44:34

chase those lines rather than feeling like where I was at that time,

44:36

feeling like I needed to spread my purchases

44:38

a bit more to understand more.

44:42

But now it's like going into that level like, no, I know what I

44:44

like. Let me continue going down

44:47

that path. Right.

44:50

So and that's the that

44:53

first path is when is it

44:55

time for more expensive pens? That's kind of the

44:57

area that I pretty much live in. Right?

44:59

When it's you get into really

45:01

expensive pins and pins that will outlast

45:03

you, then that there's that's a

45:05

whole different thought process. And

45:07

one that doesn't happen that often. Right? Like, I have

45:10

crazy expensive pens. I have pens, you know,

45:12

close to a thousand dollars. I have one pen that's

45:14

over a thousand dollars. I will not have a

45:16

lot of those things because

45:18

they're not that better. That that's

45:20

where the the deciding factor

45:22

is, hey, that's really a one

45:25

off unique type of situation that I do really think is better in

45:27

this situation or more enjoyable in this

45:29

situation than maybe like the

45:31

hundred dollar pen. But we really don't need to

45:33

spend that much to get, like, great enjoyment out of fountain pens. Like,

45:36

I have my Nakaias, like, I love,

45:38

and that's kind of that's

45:40

kind of it. Right? Like, I don't

45:42

I almost never shopping in that category

45:45

of pin. That's a really a special

45:47

occasion type of situation and

45:49

a really different conversation, you know. I I think

45:51

more of the conversation in the sweet

45:53

spot. Like, once you get, like,

45:55

really really expensive pens, like, in the

45:57

two hundred to, like, say, four

45:59

hundred dollar range, you can get you

46:01

can have the world in that range.

46:03

Right? Like, you can really have the world

46:05

in that range. So the

46:08

the other stuff that brings on

46:10

up the price points much higher than

46:11

that. Like, that's into the specialty range and, like,

46:13

you're you're it's a

46:15

different mindset. So Lisa asks,

46:20

if I've got some extra diamine

46:22

standard international short ink

46:25

cartridges, What compatible beginner pens should

46:27

I consider to make fun

46:29

starter packs for new fountain pen users

46:31

in my

46:32

life. So basically, the

46:34

opposite question of the one we just asked.

46:36

So we're not buying Nikai

46:38

as Mike. We have some extra

46:41

some extra ink cartridges around, which a lot of us do. So

46:43

this is a great question from

46:46

Lisa. Fun starter packs for new fountain

46:48

pen users. I mean, it has to start with the

46:50

gen house shark. Right. Right. That's

46:52

the only thing I found. That's literally

46:54

everyone was yelling the answer,

46:56

Lisa, to your question

46:58

before I said like, everyone's going,

47:00

Genhow sharp. Genhow sharp. It's

47:02

a fun, silly pin that

47:05

is actually good. Right? Like

47:07

and it fits your international cartridge. It comes

47:09

with a converter, but you can pop

47:11

in the international cartridges in that, and

47:14

they're like

47:16

four dollars. Or something like that. So, yes,

47:18

they look like they're called the shark pen because,

47:20

yes, they do look like a shark. That's part of

47:22

the fun. If you wanna

47:24

have since you said fun

47:26

starter pack, that's the first one that I went to.

47:28

If you want a little bit

47:30

more basic, the Monomi Olika

47:32

or Olika fountain pen.

47:34

They come in colors. I could only find the black one

47:36

right now and they're only about five dollars and they do

47:38

take the international car I've

47:41

used those before. They're really not bad as an

47:43

option. And you could probably shop around

47:45

and find some colors for that. They

47:47

come in like,

47:50

you know, eight colors, barrel colors. You know, your standard

47:52

pinks and purples and oranges, but I could only find a

47:54

link for the black one. So, yeah,

47:56

those are your two

47:58

options, but I I'm just going the are cool

48:00

and shockingly good good riders. They have

48:02

good nibs.

48:07

And I think final question

48:10

today has come

48:12

from Chris. Am I

48:14

weird that I want to practice a new

48:16

planner layout before committing to it

48:18

in January? Do printables

48:20

exist for such a thing? Or is picking up

48:22

a used or abandoned planet for the

48:24

last months of twenty twenty two the best

48:25

plan? Chris,

48:29

if you're weird, I'm weird right alongside

48:32

you. I switched at the

48:34

end of the year like a month ago towards

48:36

the fall I some

48:38

loose sheets for the end of

48:40

a twenty twenty two calendar just to try it out

48:42

to see what I was gonna use for twenty twenty three.

48:44

I bought some sheets for my plotter.

48:46

See if that's what I wanted to use. So, no. This is one

48:49

of the least weird things you can do, especially and you like

48:51

you said, you don't have to

48:53

buy, like, the the

48:56

running out of time existing

48:58

planners, you can make

49:00

some printables. I

49:02

have handwritten calendar layouts. Like, so one of the

49:04

exercises I I gave myself when I was

49:06

thinking about planners. Let

49:08

me draw in

49:10

my notebook, what I think my perfect planner layout is.

49:14

And try that and

49:16

see if

49:18

that works. And then if that does work and as I tweak

49:20

it, look and see, hey, is there a

49:22

product out there that matches

49:24

most of what I'm looking for? So I

49:26

have done that

49:28

as well. So weird, I am it, and you're right at

49:30

home, Chris. So, yeah, definitely test out

49:32

all the things, print out, draw,

49:34

buy some old planners, whatever you

49:36

wanna

49:36

do. Not weird in the slightest.

49:38

I'm literally doing it as we speak. Well,

49:40

you could just get a plan of that, but design has

49:42

a flexible layout, so you could just change

49:44

it whenever you

49:45

want. Mhmm. Hey,

49:46

I think we should finish these these last STP a's.

49:48

These are these are quick ones to

49:49

them. We can zero we can

49:52

zero this whole thing out. Is that we start

49:54

with some I

49:56

can always ask for more STPAs. There's always more

49:58

I have a notebook full of STPAs that I didn't

50:00

add into this list. So, yeah, we need to do

50:02

this. So let's let's do them. France

50:04

JPM asks, do you think pilot pens will ever release

50:07

a steel nibbed

50:09

piston filler? No. Greg,

50:12

awesome. So just let me I'll

50:14

I'll elaborate. So but

50:16

so pilot has a steel node

50:19

vanishing point. Right? So that

50:21

they sell in the Asian market. It's not really a North

50:23

America market or your European market. European

50:28

market pen. The reason why

50:30

they won't do this is because, like,

50:32

last week, we talked about the Polycom ninety

50:34

two for a hundred and fifty

50:36

or sixty dollars with a

50:38

gold nib. There's no way they could make a steel

50:40

nib one for, like, less than, like, a hundred, a

50:42

hundred and twenty five, and it's it would be kind of

50:44

pointless. Right?

50:46

So if we think about the Pelican M205, when I'm answering this question,

50:48

right, that's Pelican steel nib.

50:50

Pilot Arty does it with a

50:52

gold nib for not much more expensive.

50:55

I mean, I'll never say never, but it doesn't seem like it

50:57

would fit their product lineup and their product lineup

50:59

is already ginormous.

51:00

But, hey, they do it with the

51:02

vanishing point, so never say never. Greg

51:06

asks, what are the two or three most

51:08

upsetting characteristics of an ink that

51:10

prevent you from using it again?

51:13

For me when it does that

51:16

like, like, clumping --

51:18

Mhmm. -- what is the

51:20

what is the word I'm

51:22

looking for the I mean, clumping. So Right.

51:24

When

51:24

it's like you get the kind of the crustiness on the near. Right?

51:27

Oh, yeah. Oh, oh,

51:30

gosh. Yeah. So, like,

51:32

the, like, mon blokey orange --

51:34

Yes. -- what's the

51:35

word? I'm I'm

51:38

blanking. Creep.

51:38

Yeah. I mean, it's kinda

51:39

like a nip creep. Yeah. So I love lucky wiring. So, like,

51:41

I will go get it. But but, like, there's a

51:43

bunch of if this is, like, a bad thing

51:45

if it does

51:46

that. The second for me is the

51:49

smell? Yeah. Oh, yeah. The smell is

51:51

gonna be pretty strong. I was trying to think of

51:53

how to answer this. Yeah. A

51:55

non a a non scintint ink that has a strong,

51:57

like, chemical smell. That's a no go for me.

51:59

Like, because I when I if I can smell it

52:01

when I'm writing and it's not supposed to --

52:03

Mhmm. -- like, that's probably a

52:05

big problem. You should I never wanna smell

52:07

my ink. I never want that to be

52:10

a smell from ink.

52:11

Yeah. And sometimes they do it. It's

52:13

not The nib stuff

52:14

isn't upsetting to me because I know technically

52:16

it doesn't affect anything. It's just it's

52:18

it's an annoying. So

52:19

I will refuse to use

52:22

lucky orange because I have a lot of

52:24

other orange options even though lucky orange

52:26

is great. Yeah. But it is

52:28

probably one of the most problematic that I've

52:30

had. So There you

52:31

go. Yeah. It gets pretty rough. It gets pretty

52:33

bad. Yeah. And

52:36

Todd asks What

52:38

am I supposed to do with a glow in the dark pen?

52:40

Yeah. Take it. So

52:43

you tie it around

52:46

your

52:47

and have a good time. Yeah. I mean,

52:50

come on. You don't write in the dark Todd

52:52

in in dance. You know,

52:54

music dancing experience is the is the

52:56

link I put in the chat from Severance. You get

52:58

you get if you have your own music dance

53:00

experience at home -- Yeah. -- cut off cut

53:02

off the

53:02

lights, start to write, get some glow in the dark ink, get some glow in the dark pens. I

53:04

mean, what kind of question is this, Todd?

53:06

If you haven't seen Severance don't

53:09

click the link you have seen severance. Remind yourself of

53:12

a great scene, which I read

53:14

the other day because I was doing some reading

53:16

around severance. The actors

53:18

did not know this was going to happen.

53:20

It was sprung on

53:22

them. Nice. And they had to

53:24

react to it. Nice. Right? I was

53:27

yeah. I was re rewatching the scene, and I

53:29

forgot that Dylan wasn't gonna participate. I don't wanna

53:31

have any spoilers. But, yeah, like, I

53:33

forgot the stage of the event where we were. That was pretty

53:35

far along when this

53:36

happened. So I'm a I'm a huge huge

53:38

And apparently, it took months of work

53:40

to get the lights to do that. So

53:42

I was reading about the sale. Great. That's the

53:45

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53:47

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