Take some time with us to explore the Sino-Australian breakup drama and hear an honest opinion from a real life Australian (his name is John Fowler and he's a former Australian diplomat and international lawyer) on why relations between the two are slowly but surely deteriorating. John and Jacob also talk AUS/NZ relations, viewpoints on the South Pacific and much, much, much more.

John is co-founder and CEO of International Intrigue, a newsletter at the intersection of geopolitics, business, and technology. We've included a link because you should go subscribe to it.

TimeStamps:

2:30-19:37 – Australia/China relations

19:37-25:20 – Australia/New Zealand relations

25:20-39:32 – The South Pacific

39:32-46:30 – Indonesia

46:30-57:57 – Latin America/France/Antarctica 

57:59-1:05:30 – Taiwan

1:05:30 – International Intrigue

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