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throwback invention i'm

4:01

you know one great rothbart read i suspect

4:03

many of your listeners of read it on

4:05

is conceived in liberty which is is for

4:07

volume history of america

4:10

before the us which

4:12

is just full of incredibly

4:14

crazy shit the chest

4:16

and progress scared of gets there for a half

4:18

of a hand and i dislike i

4:21

get out the diminutive new england and admin

4:24

and row since it's like whack a doodle

4:26

stuff on which he covers of course

4:28

but he had a rough sport is always a propagandist

4:30

and and he and his great

4:32

propagandist and he basically

4:35

covers that period with

4:37

the prospective said he wants to see

4:39

it from arm and i think my

4:41

in a way gateway drug out of this

4:43

on prospective

4:46

arm was by a student of rough birds

4:48

are of course hans hermann hoppe i'm i'm

4:51

who wrote , amazing

4:54

book called democracy the god that

4:56

failed and on you

4:58

know i'm sure many many readers have read

5:00

that and of course other works by hope our own

5:03

and and still

5:05

i would love to go to his property and freedom thing you

5:07

know one day think actually good at this point

5:09

if not for this fucking virus and

5:13

is he aren't actually no

5:15

i think americans no i travel to turkey

5:17

so i you know how am anyway

5:20

ah forget the virus the

5:23

point is hopper wrote this amazing book

5:25

for those you don't know he runs his annual

5:28

conference and boardroom turkey where he lives

5:30

with his turkish wastes which is said

5:32

to be an amazing experience arm and

5:36

so anyway hope i basically

5:38

takes libertarianism and

5:41

kind of extends beyond the

5:43

context of libertarianism

5:46

and son when he creates

5:48

this arm analogy

5:50

which most libertarians have never really

5:52

considered that maybe the

5:55

world and more specifically the

5:57

sort of classical westphalian

6:00

the system of nation states is

6:02

actually an anarcho capitalists

6:04

utopia and states are actually

6:06

the property of their governments

6:09

and so a monarchy is like a family

6:11

owned company on such as

6:13

you know what's the most family owned

6:15

company or same assembly on

6:17

company you can think of home

6:19

hub well i was

6:21

thinking actually of the new york times on

6:25

gotham isn't it interesting

6:27

that are most influential interested

6:29

or institution or institution country

6:32

is a hereditary is an absolute hereditary

6:34

monarchy asa assessment

6:37

of wherever the times as owners are basically

6:39

the last great newspaper dynasty that actually

6:42

planet to some extent have control

6:44

over their institution spaces

6:46

to sponsors the post can't really control

6:48

the news desk that's not so for the salzburg

6:51

a threat so you know yeah you know

6:53

hopper basically sort of open

6:55

this door where you see

6:58

monarchy and property is the same

7:00

thing and then hoppers like

7:02

well when you look

7:04

at the incentives of a monarchy

7:07

they show a sexually the

7:09

lowest time preference possible

7:11

because they have to own

7:14

this veil and this property which is the

7:16

country not just for themselves that further

7:18

posterity so they can afford

7:21

and real they realistically have real

7:23

emotional incentives to think

7:26

fifty one hundred two hundred five hundred

7:28

years ahead and i was

7:30

just like wow you just blew my mind right you

7:32

know because i was like you know i'd

7:35

sort of been applying these axioms of

7:37

libertarianism to this very confined

7:40

historical circle that's only sort

7:42

of two hundred and fifty years old and

7:44

so to see how that relates to see

7:46

essentially the forbidden

7:48

rest of human history was

7:51

like wait like wait so it's like

7:53

when you read rothbart up as a student

7:55

of rough part but when you read rothbart arm

7:57

you know which you see is that rothbart picks

8:00

up the political prejudices

8:03

of the people he wants to canonize

8:05

in the period that he writes about and

8:07

so whenever i'm

8:10

there's a mob violence

8:12

new york city or something like listeners

8:15

rebellion ah africans

8:17

new york or philly i'm like just like

8:19

crazy ass stuff rights it

8:22

becomes a libertarian rebellion it's never

8:24

like you know proto jack amid as i'm

8:27

jack aid or whatever it's always against

8:29

i'm you know sort of the the throne

8:31

an altar complex which was

8:33

the enemies of the enemy of the classical liberals

8:36

of the early nineteenth century so rothbart

8:38

basically takes these very very capable

8:41

the early victories raiders on

8:44

an end polemicists also

8:46

i mean it was one in the same thing at that time

8:49

on and these people

8:52

are using libertarianism as

8:54

a tool against sort

8:57

of the throne and alter complex

8:59

who's favorite weapon is things like monopolies

9:02

and mercantilism and so forth and so

9:04

if you look for example the corn laws debates

9:06

on the political motive of

9:08

the corn laws is basically to

9:10

break the power of the house of lords

9:13

and the agricultural interest

9:15

in britain right and

9:17

they justify this by saying this will give people

9:19

t bread which is perfectly true

9:22

on in you know

9:25

perfectly good but there's

9:27

not really wet giving them

9:29

with giving that movement their political energy

9:32

right and so you know rothbart is basically

9:34

he becomes his enemy of of

9:37

the sort of you know old reactionary

9:39

thrown in alter complex and so for hop

9:41

at a come back and say you know wait

9:43

a second on when you look

9:46

at the pre revolutionary

9:48

governments by any objective standard

9:51

not only are they better they're smaller there

9:53

are much smaller governments there actually

9:56

much more libertarian

9:58

in many many ways and

10:00

so i'm you know that's a really

10:02

relatively large adjustment

10:05

because what you've which you realize

10:08

is that you know rothbart

10:10

has been channeling and energy

10:12

in the nineteenth century that would sort of very

10:14

much a kind of left wing energy i'm

10:17

because the classical liberals

10:19

of of his time were left us and

10:21

the thing is you know when you see

10:24

a you know someone your age or

10:27

you know which looks about the same as my age

10:29

i'm over you have a better beard

10:31

i'm i'm very i'm

10:34

i'm when someone your age has been thinking about

10:36

politics for a while or

10:38

has probably seen the

10:40

tactic of using leftist tropes

10:43

against the left once or

10:45

twice or maybe even three or four times

10:48

a m and m the

10:50

effectiveness of these tropes

10:53

you know it's like whenever you know i'm

10:56

of the a some conservative

10:58

oregon i'm you know hires an

11:00

african american pundit you know it's like

11:02

they behave like they have like an armored battleship

11:04

that cannot be harmed rate you know in

11:06

the truth is of course as soon

11:08

as you become a black conservative you your

11:10

status comes from ideology and not skin

11:13

as soon as you betray your skin by

11:15

supporting this party that's supposed to be against

11:17

you you lose all of your steps right

11:20

and so essentially the this battleship

11:22

is not you know does not work

11:24

at all it's actually goes

11:26

actually goes to lower status in the eyes

11:28

of the left any time you're trying

11:30

to use basically leftist methods

11:33

against the last you run into the

11:35

same difficulty where

11:37

you're expecting you're trying to do

11:39

this alinsky a thing of holding these people

11:41

to their own standards and

11:44

they just don't care because you

11:46

, hypocrisy

11:48

, mother's milk right if healthy sn

11:51

and you know this is literally a weapon that

11:53

sort of only works for evil in skirts

11:55

and so in a way when i

11:57

sort of rothbart and

11:59

meeting in as libertarians are

12:01

kind of good gateway drugs on

12:04

to sort of the door to the

12:06

hopper show me where

12:10

they're like look this is actually the real

12:12

liberalise libertarianism

12:15

is the real liberalism you know

12:17

it's become corrupted by all these sort

12:19

of totalitarian tropes but this

12:21

is really the spirit of the founders this

12:23

is you know and that allows

12:25

you to sort of not question a lot

12:27

of these myths so you know for example

12:30

i mentioned rothbart and the founders earlier

12:32

so i'm one of the things

12:35

you know when when i got red pill five

12:39

years when i got red pill by hopper one

12:41

of the things that things did or wound

12:43

up doing was doing wound up going back

12:46

and reading about the revolution from

12:48

the perspective of what we call the tories

12:51

and i'm like these people

12:53

are just generally intellectually

12:55

superior they make much more sense

12:58

arms or not you know they don't they

13:00

come across as honest people

13:02

and not son asks arm and that's of

13:04

course both why they lose a home

13:07

and i'm you know and not

13:09

only did they lose in america they lose in

13:11

britain to like you know the standard british

13:13

viewpoint becomes this left as you

13:15

point that we were treating the colonies too

13:17

badly we should have you know like we

13:19

all could have stayed together if we'd appease their

13:21

their demands more and of course you know

13:24

that's a classic like you seen that all

13:26

over the place from from you know as a classic

13:28

leftists line rates on and

13:30

on you know you you would eat lucio

13:33

is moose the football so it's like oh yes we

13:35

strive harder to keep their football rugby

13:37

is our farm and so you

13:39

basically when you sort of

13:41

on you know extirpate

13:44

these assumptions of

13:46

oh i have to believe in america

13:49

i have to believe in the american way i have to believe

13:51

in liberalism i have to believe in

13:53

sort of all of these things and so i'm gonna basically

13:56

rebel against the system

13:59

using its the ways of belief

14:01

and these things don't really

14:04

work at all the second thing

14:06

that really doesn't work at all is to basically

14:08

say okay let's take

14:11

the opposite these ways of

14:13

believing and so okay

14:15

i've i've decided that liberalism

14:17

is completely wrong i'm fifteen

14:19

years old i go in as my

14:21

guidance counselor

14:23

i say oh are you know miss

14:26

misread are you know i you know what's with the

14:28

opposite of liberalism and she's like well

14:30

you know basically son if

14:32

you're not you're know i'm you know

14:34

an ally arm of the

14:36

lgbtq movement and you don't

14:39

believe the black lives matter then you're

14:41

not and of course what is this fifteen

14:43

year old kid come

14:45

on he's a fifteen year old boy he

14:47

becomes the nazis right you know because

14:49

you're is this easy easy easy

14:51

obvious pass on

14:54

weird which requires so little creativity

14:56

and so little reason to basically

14:59

setting yourself to becoming an implacable

15:01

enemy of the system which you

15:03

basically realize as you're just very

15:06

cool or is just penis

15:08

and just like mendacious and like

15:10

you know all this like mendacious languages

15:13

everywhere on you know it's really

15:15

permeated every thing and kids feel that

15:17

and see it instead instantly and

15:19

unless they can sort of either

15:21

a ride it are they really push back against

15:24

right and so the problem is when you

15:26

push back against it by becoming

15:29

a stereotypical enemy you're

15:32

staying within it's frame you basically

15:35

you know you ask your enemy

15:37

what you know their enemy has like

15:39

and they gave you this caricature and

15:42

this caricature is actually

15:44

you notice perfectly positioned

15:46

in the path of the machine guns right

15:48

you know

15:49

they are telling you what you need to become

15:52

because they know that they can control that

15:54

yes yes they and they they

15:57

and that that force you know i

15:59

mean obviously there's just you know there's

16:01

a world of difference between you know

16:03

today sagging open fifteen year old

16:05

the fortune nazi and the actual

16:07

nazis on i mean as

16:09

nothing to do with each other it's like wicket and witchcraft

16:12

right you know i'm arm but

16:16

despite that i think in a way this

16:18

is a historical conversation in this would go

16:20

in of sort of much deeper than we want to

16:22

go but in a way that

16:25

same thing with struve

16:28

the nazis themselves so one

16:30

of the interesting facts in one of the surprising

16:33

possibly the greatest irony of the twentieth century

16:36

is it in world war one is you may know

16:38

you have this atrocity

16:42

campaign the allies

16:45

the british the whole british atrocity campaign

16:47

the german soldiers in belgium are cutting off than in

16:49

britain nuns breasted cetera et cetera and

16:51

this this campaign is comes

16:54

to america and britain through

16:57

the sort of the intellectual channels

17:00

that are absolutely the historical

17:03

roots of what we now call the mainstream

17:05

media this is basically

17:08

the authorized voice of elite society

17:11

and it is telling you these things

17:14

that the not happen

17:17

and these things become a major

17:19

motivator for the war and

17:23

i'm you know whereas the germans

17:25

are basically sort of the

17:27

germans were were one the spike helmet

17:29

germans ah you

17:31

, are behaving in this way that

17:33

they conceive to be sort of

17:35

the harshest possible way within their conception

17:38

of i the love

17:40

war ah hum hand ah

17:42

hum they're behaving this very very legalistic were

17:45

actually on and

17:47

on that is the definition of the

17:49

laws of war that we would not recognize but it was

17:51

basically the standard nineteenth century definition

17:53

for was works so this whole

17:55

campaign which paves the

17:57

german as the hun is

18:00

religious the whole allied story

18:02

of world war one is a crock of shit

18:05

okay but this

18:07

time already historically

18:09

after basically waterloo

18:12

it's become clear that england is the mistress

18:14

of the world english culture

18:16

will be the queen of everything english

18:19

sports like soccer will be adopted

18:21

by everyone awesome and

18:23

the power of england is sort of everywhere

18:26

everyone who was cool isn't the isn't an anglophile

18:29

because power as always cool i'm

18:31

and so in germany

18:34

basically after the war there

18:36

are two kinds of people there are

18:39

you know among certainly among elites

18:41

the elites a germany after the war

18:43

are very like our elites many them forcefully

18:46

and white of joining our elites and becoming

18:48

you know that the international community

18:51

is already developing at this time arm

18:53

and so

18:55

you have people in germany who are members of the liberal

18:58

international community of civil society

19:00

and all of that you can see the roots of that

19:02

very very clearly and you have other people

19:04

in germany who are like holy shit this

19:06

reciting was like you know the whole thing

19:08

of like oh yeah i will do an armistice nil

19:11

except the fourteen points and then will fuck you and

19:13

asks wow that that was not

19:15

really likes that doesn't seem like

19:17

you you know that's kind of hard to fit with like my

19:19

ankle file values rights you know and

19:21

so on you know they went

19:23

but they were still just like a fifteen year old

19:25

kid they're still in an environment

19:28

where their enemies are occupied

19:31

the dominant information position and

19:34

so they're like okay wow

19:38

i just you know this liberalism

19:40

shit doesn't seem to work for me doesn't

19:43

seem to work for germany so what's the opposite of

19:45

that and so you know the irony

19:47

of world war two is that basically

19:49

the german of world war two becomes

19:52

the caricature the world

19:54

war one which was never real and

19:56

in world war two the germans

19:58

actually make it real meanwhile the

20:00

allied propaganda of world war

20:02

two

20:04

contains no a truck well not know

20:06

or trust relatively little atrocity

20:09

propaganda and it certainly does not

20:11

mention the holocaust and so

20:13

ho hum even though the allies have received

20:15

quite sound reports of the holocaust so

20:18

why does al is not publicize the holocaust number

20:20

one atrocity propaganda bad

20:23

allied habits number two oh

20:26

you're heading a work for the jews i just

20:28

really say he was fighting the war for the jews so

20:30

now we found it the truth that's what comes out

20:32

of hitler's masks right so you know you

20:34

have this situation where like

20:36

this like perpetuates itself

20:39

in this thing that's actually real

20:41

which is this really terrifying thing and

20:43

so you know escaping from this

20:46

very very bad pattern

20:48

in a kind of healthy way is

20:51

like

20:53

it's very very hard and

20:55

people are essentially when

20:57

people go wrong whether they become

21:00

you know in my opinion just being a libertarian

21:02

is going wrong and so is being a nazi and

21:04

why the people make these errors they

21:07

make these errors because they

21:09

have what looks like an easier solution

21:12

than the actual solution and

21:14

for me the irony about what i consider

21:16

you know the actual solution is

21:19

you know it's like we're talking about the american revolution

21:21

well

21:23

there's a lotta worse you know there's

21:25

a lot of past historical events including

21:27

many that happen when know and gonna

21:29

there was a life that are still very

21:32

emotionally loaded for

21:34

a lot of people but for anyone

21:36

who is who is elise jan acts and after

21:39

you can talk to someone like this and be like

21:41

hey man mexican revolution is

21:43

a total lie british read about everything

21:46

it off and they'll be like that's

21:48

cool man specimens

21:50

you know to try that with beginner don't try that with

21:53

certain other words you can also do at world war one

21:55

there's no huge emotional attachments

21:57

to that or and then you

21:59

know

22:00

with other words you have to tell people wow

22:02

this is much more complicated event

22:04

than you think of it as because you're thinking

22:06

of it as his kind of children's story which

22:08

is not really true ah hum

22:11

but they're also probably no heroes ah

22:14

and so when you're

22:16

that's the sort of level of box escaping

22:18

and it was really hopper that showed me

22:21

first how to be like okay

22:23

wow i can actually relate

22:25

the rest of history in

22:27

a way that is not the sort of deprecating

22:31

the

22:32

twentieth century way of doing this we're like

22:34

well obviously we're superior those people visiting

22:36

having our antibiotics you know how

22:38

i mean i'm steve heard that from

22:40

way and i'm like a as ah

22:44

might be the opposite of that excellence or it will

22:46

that was my that was my sort of our intellectual

22:48

origin story rant on you

22:50

know you can know feel free to follow up on that again

22:53

an tell you about an upcoming free to

22:56

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there's a bunch of places i

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could go with that with

24:09

, always what

24:11

know what's funny is what's funny you started

24:13

mentioning hop i immediately thought of

24:15

hoppers what marx got right

24:18

the ever heard i have not read what marx

24:20

got right actually web site yet it's

24:22

it's it's as easy as will make it up and the tapes

24:25

at it's like he he basically

24:27

said ninety eight ninety nine percent the

24:29

harasser your

24:32

head and the reason i bring that up is

24:34

because hop it does step

24:36

out of the box yeah he does

24:38

yeah if the so go anywhere and you know

24:40

yet yeah and it gets everybody

24:42

in trouble you know how madonna so

24:46

why don't know know your good why

24:48

don't you talk about why

24:50

the left always wins gimme like if

24:53

you're if i was one of those people that you

24:55

knew hey you know if if i just told

24:57

him the story right he'd

24:59

probably get it why don't

25:02

you like it the intervention you

25:04

added to your one why why

25:06

why why the left always wins that the left

25:08

always wins because lemmy

25:12

in a way finish the sentence to make it more

25:14

specific and talk about why

25:16

the left always wins in the marketplace

25:18

of ideas and

25:21

the marketplace of ideas this ideas this very

25:26

you know eighteenth and nineteenth century concept

25:29

ah it's very very anglo i'm

25:31

it's an idea is it really you know the

25:34

greeks may be had this idea on foot

25:37

you know it's a very attractive idea because

25:40

it reminds us in some ways and

25:42

dumps you know people are going to laugh at this

25:44

but arm it reminds it

25:47

reminds him in some ways of bitcoin because

25:50

what they're doing when they say

25:53

well whose ideas

25:55

are going to dominate the traditional

25:58

thought had been well whoever is

26:00

the strongest it just naturally

26:02

flows from power on the ground

26:04

there's just you know old principle of the westphalian

26:07

system of government curious radio a as

26:09

really get out on which means

26:11

whoever is the baron of that little

26:13

german state you know if he to catholics

26:16

you're catholic if it's a buddhist your buddhist as

26:18

our rights and so it was it

26:20

was traditionally thought that

26:22

the way

26:24

you know of course you might have a university

26:27

where people you know think it's they will but certainly

26:29

common people don't think for themselves to

26:31

get ideas from others and so

26:34

they should be getting ideas from

26:36

an institution which tells them what to think

26:39

and it with this was not only the belief

26:42

of the arm catholics

26:44

this was the belief of the anglicans

26:47

this was the belief of the presbyterians

26:49

this was even the belief of the puritans

26:52

so what made the puritans

26:54

or as they were called you know four

26:56

hundred years ago the independence or brown

26:58

us are in a separate and what made them

27:00

radical in the english civil war

27:02

with their belief that every church should

27:04

govern itself by another option

27:06

of of the elect i guess or

27:09

hum and i'm that

27:11

as a matter of the details i get

27:13

a secret ballot their i ah

27:16

fairly out works by awesome aren't you

27:18

know even they basically

27:20

did not think you know

27:22

the sort of the atomic principal a

27:25

where every man has his own profit

27:27

was too radical even for the fifth monarchy

27:30

men right info so this

27:32

is a very very you know

27:35

radical way of thinking that basically

27:37

instead of a church which tells people

27:39

what to think we're going to have a market

27:42

of ideas and this market of ideas

27:44

is gonna function in essentially

27:47

a darwinian sense it's

27:49

gonna function literally as a market just

27:51

the way on the market of all the best you

27:53

know possible cell phone it's going

27:55

to evolve the best possible ideas

27:59

ah because the good ideas

28:01

are going to outcompete the bad ideas

28:03

in this market because people no good

28:05

things from the scene i'm

28:08

so there are certain

28:10

sort of goats and questions that

28:13

have to creep into your mind and again it's

28:15

like the block seen in a sense because you're saying

28:17

who's in charge like no

28:20

one's in charge man we're gonna

28:22

leave it to , system the

28:24

system is in charge and so here's

28:27

this you know when people search for

28:29

away you know one of the things

28:31

that really you know if there's sort of one realization

28:33

that i had that put me off of libertarianism

28:36

with herbs and are capitalism even

28:38

i'm you know it's when i decided i

28:40

mean most got me not not

28:42

based on you know hop i got

28:44

me reading mace and a lot of other sort

28:46

of pre modern thinkers and one of the things that

28:48

you realize clearly when you read them is that

28:51

the principle that sovereignty like

28:53

energy is conserved that there's always someone

28:55

in power has never really been violated

28:58

and it's very hard to violate that so

29:00

hear these systems here's the system

29:03

it's very attractive to imagine

29:05

this perpetual motion device where you can

29:07

have something that is coherent

29:09

that has orderly but that is not governed

29:12

there were no one is ruling because one

29:14

of the things that that does is it really appeals

29:17

to the sense in people

29:19

that

29:20

the not be ruled is the first step toward

29:22

ruling so you know hobbes

29:25

rates about you know no one really wants the

29:27

desolate freedom of the wild ass what they mean

29:29

when they say they want freedom is they want

29:32

basically power they may mean power

29:34

over themselves or their own communities that

29:36

arose asking for power and so to

29:38

overthrow another power or

29:40

to have no power above you on

29:43

is a very very good feeling it really feels

29:45

good your kind of inner chimpanzee because it shows

29:47

that you're like a chimpanzee on the rise right

29:49

you know i'm end up so

29:53

this idea of being governed by

29:56

a system which does not have to be trusted

29:59

rather than then people

30:01

who you have to place your faith in and

30:03

obey and follow is

30:06

, very attractive so

30:08

this accounts for accounts lot of the attraction

30:10

of the model of the marketplace of ideas

30:13

right so the question is

30:15

arm when i look at the system

30:17

it's like looking at the block chain i'm like ok

30:20

here's a system that purports

30:22

to evolve the best possible

30:24

ideas okay

30:27

it's a system

30:28

in obviously we depend for

30:30

safety on those being good ideas so

30:33

the question is in

30:35

the system be happy can

30:38

it be perverted into basically

30:40

being something that

30:43

actually generates bad ideas or

30:47

maybe he doesn't even need to be hacked is

30:49

it even secure it off his first question

30:51

to ask arm and so when you

30:53

ask this question okay how can the

30:56

marketplace of ideas be hacked

30:59

, can it be exploited who can be

31:01

a pervert it's i suffer

31:03

security researchers when they talk about

31:05

hacking on have this concept

31:08

of a weird machine where you basically

31:10

hacking basically system hacking any

31:12

like operating system you're basically

31:15

turning it from something that that those

31:18

the behavior that it's expected to

31:20

do to into a system that does

31:22

something it's designers never

31:24

intended it to do though

31:27

you know when you think about the us constitution

31:29

you can kind of you know i think and reflect

31:32

a little on that's right so the question

31:34

is is this an unhappy couple system the

31:36

marketplace of ideas and

31:39

here's a couple of ways you can hack it so

31:42

a very traditional way of hacking it

31:45

on his by coercion and

31:47

so i'm you can simply say

31:49

okay we have marketplace of ideas but

31:51

if you publish ideas that on

31:54

the information minister doesn't like the

31:56

his his date you know the essay will come

31:58

to your house beat you britta

32:02

that is simply another selective

32:04

pressure on the marketplace of ideas arm

32:07

and it says that are you know ideas

32:09

that will anger the information minister have

32:12

you , are are strongly selected against

32:15

arm and therefore i'm

32:17

this is not a marketplace of ideas it is

32:19

simply a marketplace of ideas and is not not

32:21

a marketplace of ideas such as judged by

32:23

how true and good these ideas are it

32:26

is a marketplace of ideas judge by what pleases

32:28

the information minister now

32:30

you know

32:31

these connections or little easy to trace

32:34

you know people might not like the information minister

32:36

for that so what we're gonna do next

32:38

or this is actually totally routine

32:40

in europe by the way i'm also in

32:42

latin america as were simply gonna

32:44

we're gonna use positive means and

32:47

so the information minister is gonna

32:49

basically subsidize come

32:51

through covert means often just openly

32:54

i'm v institutions

32:56

of i'm media that he

32:58

likes never forget that orwell

33:00

start you know wrote nineteen eighty four after

33:02

working at b b c or he he have

33:05

some oh no one is why ever is like our state

33:07

press just like viktor orban right you know

33:09

arm is there isn't a harm arm's

33:12

it's actually not like viktor orban it works in

33:14

a completely different way so you know viktor

33:16

orban would basically subsidize the press

33:18

but viktor orban is a monarch

33:21

and the thing the most important

33:23

thing to understand about where

33:26

we are is that our system

33:28

there are three forms of three forms

33:30

of government which are sort of forums of political

33:32

power

33:34

or ways that political power can express

33:36

itself these are monarchy oligarchy

33:38

and democracy and or

33:40

in other words people powered network power

33:43

of organized power calm

33:46

and so the question

33:48

of like how

33:51

you duke the

33:53

marketplace of ideas have you hack the marketplace

33:56

of ideas in a monarchy

33:58

is the question that were used to think about

34:00

were like oh yeah hitler did this many just close

34:03

the gonna competing presses or

34:05

you know a more crafty just bought will like

34:07

subsidize the papers he likes or like you

34:09

know or of in as it is a perfect example

34:11

because you basically consolidated the

34:14

out you know from gary and media using you

34:16

know only sort of legal semi

34:18

legal methods rights you know but he still

34:21

basically created this very classic

34:23

soft one party right wing state

34:26

i'm you know in europe in the twenty first

34:28

century i don't think the last

34:30

but there's ah but

34:33

that's ah on

34:34

and of course people would you know scream bloody murder

34:37

of trump somehow started doing this like of the trump

34:39

fortune like imagine trump gets elected

34:41

him and he searched by newspapers you know ah

34:44

end , ah

34:47

yes yes you have it israel the newspapers

34:50

are are privately owned and sheldon adelson

34:52

gives his away yeah yeah

34:54

right right right right or five n

34:56

n n and you know suddenly i

34:58

you know yeah recent years into the washington post new

35:01

wake up in it's that trump post it out

35:03

of opposite so so so that's

35:05

that's a i you i that's

35:07

the the sort of the pre modern

35:09

way of solving this problem

35:12

it's ugly and exxon it doesn't have legs

35:15

of

35:16

actually that's not at all

35:18

the way the world works

35:20

today and that's not at all what good is

35:23

what creates this imbalance in power

35:25

on so what was established so far

35:27

as that are basically two ways

35:30

of jeans xinxing the information

35:33

marketplace you can do it by coercion

35:35

arm or you can do by reward what

35:37

we've only discuss centralized reward

35:40

okay now we going to the more advanced

35:43

graduate level topic of decentralized

35:45

reward the with it decentralized

35:47

reward works is that

35:49

you have a state that leaks so

35:52

it leaks essentially it's leaking power

35:55

and concretely what that means is that

35:57

it's leaking information and

35:59

it's it can influence though

36:02

if it's leaking information obviously

36:04

sitcoms out the building that doesn't

36:06

come at the front door ah i'm

36:08

an that you know how apple feels feels

36:10

about it when it comes out of the building that doesn't come at

36:12

the front door ah some hand

36:15

hum aren't you know and the

36:17

second thing that it's leaking that apple also by

36:19

the way doesn't leak is insolent so basically

36:22

you know you can't imagine apple

36:25

really actually giving a fuck what you

36:27

know john gruber you know hum

36:29

hum thinks his products it happened and and

36:31

i'll read john gruber whatever but

36:33

you know apple is in charge of apple on

36:36

and so on

36:38

the pattern of the twentieth

36:40

century oligarchy it's to move

36:42

core functions like deciding what

36:45

is true or what should be done

36:47

outside the state

36:50

and specifically moving it away

36:52

from democratic control

36:55

which describes as of course political arm

36:58

and i'm in a democracy is good but

37:00

politics as it might have

37:02

heard that actually a little bit animal

37:04

farm when you think about it right this ah

37:07

i'm i'm sexually full on animal

37:09

farm right and that's a very very old

37:11

animal farm trope that's not from the second half

37:13

of the twentieth century that's from the first assets early

37:16

first tasks right on so

37:19

you get the sense

37:21

that

37:22

you have like the state

37:25

that power leaks out us

37:27

there were of foundations

37:29

for example the new deal you

37:31

know for going way back the new deal was actually

37:34

composed was called the swamp plants

37:36

it was composed by basically

37:38

and jokes and then it was adopted

37:41

by fdr so already see this

37:43

pattern of pattern let's ask the

37:45

university's what's true let's

37:47

out and so were so

37:50

were you know it's sort of only a very small

37:52

step from that to your a government agency

37:54

you don't want to get bad press like

37:57

the number one purpose of all government

37:59

agencies

38:00

not get bad press as soon

38:02

as you adopt that mindset you've

38:04

shifted executive control

38:07

of what you do to the press

38:09

sigur leaking influence arm

38:12

and your leaking insolence your leaking power

38:15

to agencies that are not part of the government

38:17

when you leak information for example if you

38:19

if you go and look at a you know a copy

38:21

the new york times on you

38:24

know

38:24

two thirds to all

38:27

of the stories on

38:30

that page contains information

38:33

stolen from the government

38:36

and sold to you the subscriber

38:39

the new york times is cannot

38:41

be competed with or replace because

38:43

only you know it's famous

38:45

name which base it basically makes it

38:47

basically makes a quasar governmental institutions

38:50

governmental institutions it to steal information

38:52

from the government and seven

38:54

you don't have that right you'll be prosecuted arm

38:57

and so essentially

38:59

the easiest way to model the new york times

39:02

has to say this say this a quasar

39:04

governmental agency

39:07

you know if i look at it nominally know

39:09

it pretends to be a private company but

39:11

let's imagine that the new york times

39:14

was actually a branch of

39:16

the department of information that you

39:18

are

39:20

and it's not called the near times anymore it's called

39:22

people's newspaper number one i'm

39:24

then you realize their okay what is people's numb

39:27

newspaper number one it's states the official

39:29

information of the guy i know of the

39:31

official opinion of power

39:34

everyone in the government has to listen to it and

39:36

essentially and bat it decides what

39:38

is true this true this just a

39:41

government agency

39:43

this is the most powerful government agency

39:46

sir ho hum i'll

39:49

tell you a story which is i'm

39:51

you know i have i have some personal background in the syrian

39:54

not as i ever worked for the deep state because but

39:56

because my on my whole

39:58

parents' generation did

40:00

and on my stepfather in

40:02

particular i'm got

40:04

his phd in political science from harvard

40:06

in the early sixties the worked on the hill for

40:08

his entire career worked for biden for a while on

40:11

this is a story from when he was at harvard

40:14

at harvard he was taking a seminar from

40:16

one none other than mcgeorge bundy

40:19

i don't if you're recognizing you know the name actors

40:21

bundy he was one of the basically the

40:23

the great wise men as you

40:25

know that mid twentieth century deep state

40:28

i'm you know national security

40:30

advisor whatever whatever he was the have rotated

40:33

between his yards but in a she was you

40:35

know like the generation of statesmen

40:37

before kissinger okay right

40:39

so you know the statesmen is teaching a

40:41

class and harvard and they have something

40:43

that they had back then i frankly think it's great

40:46

idea and we should have more them which is a press

40:48

direct ah you know that the the copy

40:50

delivery boys were on strike or something on

40:53

and i you know mcgeorge bundy comes

40:55

into the class at harvard and it's like

40:57

well

40:59

the us government can operate now or

41:01

interoffice mammoth services down a

41:03

half i'm meeting affairs the new york

41:05

times ah and and so you

41:08

know when you look at these institutions to

41:10

regard them as not institutions

41:12

of power is of course comical and

41:14

that makes them objective leave part

41:16

of the government sir rate there you're suddenly

41:19

in a completely different sphere because

41:21

you realize that what

41:24

has happened to this marketplace of

41:26

ideas is that

41:28

power leaks into it and it's like leaking

41:30

nutrients into a lake

41:32

so in the marketplace

41:34

of ideas ideas that are

41:36

powerful that make

41:39

that feel powerful that make you feel

41:41

important that make you let's say

41:43

you want a change the world you want to make an impact

41:45

well i don't know if you want to change the world or make an

41:47

impact but i know that arm

41:50

every are graduating senior in every

41:52

american high school once the seeds were called make

41:54

an impact actively certainly said

41:56

that in the college essays which they would not lie about

41:58

right and so

42:00

you have all of this sort of aren't you

42:02

know and in people have all of these freaks

42:04

hand ways to feel important and

42:07

to feel powerful when when

42:09

you look at what they're actually

42:11

doing when they put enough energy in the

42:13

into these these ideas to do

42:16

them you notice that they're just basically supporting

42:18

the parasitic ah i'm and

42:20

so you know these are essential

42:23

a turret to make it really really concise

42:26

what flourishes in this marketplace

42:28

of ideas is

42:31

something that the

42:34

arm aren't great italian political

42:36

scientist gitano moscow called

42:39

a political formula and a political

42:41

formula is basically whatever

42:43

you think when your

42:45

objective actions support

42:47

the government so if you're like basically

42:50

i'm i'm that you know

42:52

in ancient egypt three thousand years ago

42:55

i support the government because the pharaoh is the

42:57

son of the sun and of the pharaoh

42:59

forgets to do is rituals the sun will go out

43:01

and while freeze to death and dying data

43:03

political formula i'm i

43:05

support ah you know the democratic

43:08

party because black lives matter

43:10

the political formula right and

43:12

you know the question of these

43:15

formulas i you know appeal

43:17

to people emotionally no one is like

43:19

okay how exactly as the sun going to go out

43:21

what exactly objectively

43:24

is this political party going to do for the

43:26

set of human beings ah you

43:28

know it's just like feel

43:31

good support power and so this sort

43:33

of power exchange that's going on where

43:35

the successful structures

43:38

in a world ruled by a marketplace of

43:40

ideas tend to have

43:42

this kind of power exchange with you were

43:45

they make you feel powerful in exchange

43:47

for supporting them so the ideas

43:49

that beat that flourish in this basically

43:52

polluted lake our

43:55

ideas that have both of these characteristics

43:57

they make you feel important because

43:59

you're leaving you know all

44:01

these people who don't know and

44:03

have never met but very abstract empathy

44:06

and by doing this you

44:09

are serving this oligarchic

44:11

power structure and

44:13

you're sort of you know you read an article

44:16

in vox or the new york times or whatever

44:18

on it makes you feel you

44:20

know angry it energizes you'd makes

44:22

you feel like you matter you gotta matter more

44:24

you know and at

44:27

the same time you're consuming

44:29

their propaganda and their propaganda

44:32

i isn't loaded words like that i'm good

44:34

at you're consuming their narrative i'm

44:36

and their narrative is coming from

44:39

their sources who are other sources

44:41

their sources are people who work in the federal

44:43

government they have relationships with these people

44:45

so for example on

44:48

there was a little medium posts it was posted by

44:50

the schedule lonsdale who i don't know i'm

44:53

about six months ago about

44:55

thrown a virus stuff and he

44:57

was basically like i

44:59

read this op ed about how this you know ft

45:01

i was fucking up everything of course if the as

45:03

fucked up everything on you

45:06

know and i basically you

45:08

know this know this biotech ancestor series

45:10

person not just from off the streets i

45:13

sent it to the op ed desks of all these papers

45:16

none of them would publish it which is why you're on medium

45:18

and one of them told me what we

45:21

can't scrubber relationship with fts right

45:25

and so you know essentially you

45:27

have these tentacles of power

45:30

have spread all the way you

45:32

know through these institutions into

45:35

our intellectual bloodstream and now

45:37

you're seeing every been of suburban

45:40

housewife in springfield massachusetts

45:42

is like

45:44

i'm not an unimportant and meaningless person on

45:46

you know just because i my pets wife

45:48

and my husband treats me like shit and i

45:51

hate being a home schooled mom i can

45:53

matter because i matter because

45:55

black lives matter and i'm gonna get on my palate

45:57

on and bicycle for blacklists you

45:59

know and

46:00

it's just kind of thing you know is this insanely

46:02

superficial level of sort

46:05

of political formula nobody could have believe

46:07

that anything this unsophisticated

46:09

would work in this country but they didn't know this country

46:12

arm and it just provides

46:15

just dislike soon source

46:17

of meaning and all of these people's lives

46:19

so you're basically saying okay

46:22

let's go back and look at our marketplace of ideas

46:24

died years that are true and good

46:26

and right and were and sound and wise

46:29

to they have an advantage in this marketplace

46:32

the absolutely do died years

46:34

that are our full and

46:37

thrilling and meaningful

46:39

and make you feel important have an advantage i

46:41

would say they have a much bigger advance and

46:43

so the irony of the marketplace

46:45

of ideas is that

46:47

why do people ever think this would work

46:50

people thought it would work because

46:53

they were independent intellectuals

46:55

just as we are in a world governed

46:57

by others and they were like moreover

46:59

they were aristocrats in a world whose

47:02

government had become decidedly bourgeois

47:04

so you see in all these sort

47:06

of the the aristocratic

47:09

intelligentsia of v

47:11

on victorian era who become

47:13

the fabian in the early progressives

47:15

in this country see what they call the gilded

47:17

age which is basically that the us is governed

47:20

very much like china in some ways it's

47:22

insanely corrupt and you know

47:24

kleptocratic and she gets

47:26

done very very rapidly awesome

47:28

and there to fight the family corruption kleptocratic

47:31

reminiscent of a to z that's right is it a

47:33

how and which is throats arm

47:35

and i'm on

47:38

but more than that they feel that it's being governed

47:40

in the lower class way and

47:43

by these lower class in a boss tweeds

47:45

you know and so forth you know like and

47:47

how many of new york's most beautiful buildings were built

47:49

when boss tweed was just right is how

47:51

can it can if i'm i'm with

47:53

this is a person who can't even is probably frickin

47:56

illiterate he's irish you know like this is

47:58

unacceptable awesome if you

48:02

, who have our universe run level

48:05

of a more proper right arm are

48:07

basically like you know these are like

48:09

that digging of the henry adams is

48:11

in the john hayes you know so much of

48:13

this this know like you

48:15

can't have dinner vox

48:17

and black lives matter without henry adams

48:19

right you know i don't have you know henry adams

48:22

or even you know them but op's you know

48:24

essentially hear these aristocrats who were

48:26

like look were need to set

48:28

up a new aristocratic class in this country

48:30

needs to be an educated aristocratic class

48:32

like germany's we're going to create these great research

48:35

you know universities were going to take

48:37

america's economic power and

48:39

give it and aristocracy worthy

48:41

of europe's

48:43

right because of course remember that you know and eighty

48:45

ninety american still seen as a third world countries

48:47

like china right you know people are like

48:49

oh yeah you're in bill lot of stuff you know simple

48:51

lot of grain but you know you have any really

48:54

serious you know sages are you know

48:56

know your culture is negligible right you

48:58

know and arms america just like

49:00

china as like sluts you we area

49:03

we're going to show you write you know and

49:05

so the way they go about doing this is

49:07

by i'm basically building great

49:09

universities and sending you know the kids

49:11

to europe to be educated and building

49:13

this kind of twentieth century aristocracy

49:17

and the twenty second century aristocracy

49:19

basically looks at the people who are governing

49:21

and say and says they're inferior

49:23

to us in other says great napoleon

49:25

line of napoleon's you know any any government

49:28

is safe in which the best people are in charge

49:30

right and they're just like the best people

49:32

are not a charge on an we have

49:35

this marketplace of ideas which

49:37

is basically untainted by power

49:40

you can cook a bipolar has

49:44

they had no power

49:45

the problem was that when you

49:47

give them power her basic lay

49:49

there wasn't a vow of so power

49:52

in a rather than the pure water of the marketplace

49:54

of ideas cleansing the audience

49:56

stables your the river

49:58

doesn't matter direction an

50:00

ocean stables go into the pure marketplace

50:03

rights and that's why you know

50:05

people like us gravitate to

50:07

the fringes of the discourse

50:09

and are just like we cannot live within this

50:11

overton window we have to live

50:14

in a world where it actually just

50:16

doesn't matter what you think

50:17

find a way to create that in some

50:19

way on because you

50:21

know the system of saying

50:24

ideas have power and they do ideas

50:26

are the only thing that it's has ever had power but

50:29

you basically don't

50:31

have anything above ideas

50:34

and what really made the

50:36

kind of dual on in

50:39

european civilization one of the things

50:41

that was so dynamic for

50:44

you know the millennium

50:47

and a half easily was

50:49

this basically dual structure

50:52

of the political structure of

50:54

emperors and kings and

50:56

the intellectual structure

50:59

the catholic church or whatever church they

51:01

replaced it with and because these powers

51:04

had a sort of tension against each other and

51:06

that tension never ever went away

51:09

in a way that kept each other honest and

51:11

so when you got the

51:13

system you know you're sort of alternative

51:16

to that system were basically one

51:18

of two things it was zero papers on

51:21

which is a technical term meaning dampers

51:23

also the pope ah hum and

51:25

arm that was you know that that basically wound

51:27

up is essentially the russian system of government

51:30

and which you know it has its virtues or

51:32

frankly i take that any day over what we have now

51:35

arm and then what we have now is basically

51:37

theocracy on you know theocracy

51:39

is is the rule of the saints it's inherently

51:43

decentralized ah i'm

51:45

and or it becomes decentralized very very

51:47

easily and decentralized theocracy

51:50

basically what we have now is essentially decentralized

51:52

atheistic theocracy and

51:55

that's a system of government that

51:57

the decentralization is very light much

52:00

like i met a static cancer i'm

52:02

you know it's actually not good that it's decentralized

52:05

because there isn't any one place

52:07

that you can say oh let's get rid of new york times

52:09

and will be rid of the system know

52:12

it's it's all of the body ah he just

52:14

need you need team our immunotherapy i'm

52:16

and i'm it's it's everywhere

52:19

i mean you know so one

52:21

of the arm you know as this

52:24

worldview develops in the twentieth

52:26

century it realizes

52:28

or is so there's a great book called public opinion

52:31

by walter lippmann who was kind of

52:33

the i you know mcgeorge bundy of his era basically

52:35

or he was like about ten mcgeorge bundy

52:37

is all rolled into one on you

52:39

know and member the famous

52:42

hard to class of making twelve john reid

52:44

just you know titanic sounding intellectual

52:46

figure and he writes a book called public opinion

52:49

which i everyone who complains of at of mainstream

52:51

media agreed because it's very

52:54

very frank about the proposition

52:57

that the

52:59

arm

53:01

only way to rule people

53:04

is with propaganda

53:05

basically the future of power

53:08

is intellectual power which means psychological

53:10

power over their minds which means

53:13

presenting stories to them that will make them

53:15

do what they should do which

53:17

means basically a platonic guardian class

53:19

right you know he's saying the quiet part outlets

53:22

right hand and and mrs i

53:24

mean this is us this is a in of this

53:26

book is decided journalism schools right

53:28

this is a well known but arm and

53:30

arms cell phone in

53:32

a way you basically you're like well we could have

53:34

a mug and or marketplace of ideas and then you're

53:37

like oh looks like we need to church in

53:39

how arm and so you basically

53:41

try to design this decentralized

53:43

system and what happens and

53:46

you place great stress on nobody being

53:48

of list to pull worse all of these

53:50

decentralized agencies because you're like oh

53:53

if we have you know a five hundred universities

53:55

in the u s sur les you know of fascists

53:58

won't be able to come to all the university

54:00

that violate their freedom of speech and fire

54:02

all the communists and you know now turn them into

54:04

christian seminaries rates and which

54:06

you have instead is that you have three thousand

54:08

universities in the us and the all agree with each other

54:11

as if they were all part of the same department

54:13

of information

54:14

which they're not they get grants and south

54:17

but they're not like there's no takedown coordination

54:19

and yet all of these institutions

54:22

are on the same fucking page except

54:24

like this tiny couple of like you know

54:26

freak enjoyed somewhere right no

54:28

disrespect to help them grow city but i'm

54:31

on the vr i'm on a

54:34

, i'm you know like

54:36

like does this disparity come about why you

54:38

know i mean princeton was actually sounded

54:41

as a right wing university nobody knows

54:43

that you know i'm an i'm of

54:46

the i don't an hour isn't over yet

54:48

nobody and peter i have peter ,

54:50

the i'm i'm how

54:53

many people at princeton know that right you know

54:55

us liberia where the

54:58

amount of

54:59

reforms and calvinist

55:01

literature the came out of there in the nineteenth century

55:04

was amazing i've read it on outfits and oh

55:06

yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah you're you're a you're a serious

55:09

have to know i'm arthur paints you

55:11

know of course out of read

55:13

every one every one of those pamphlets

55:15

i used to get him for free for at a friend

55:17

of ran i you know i'm i'm an atheist personally

55:20

but a friend i gave me a copy of the sovereignty

55:22

of god and on supplies oh

55:24

my god are you know and i enter our

55:27

i mean i'm i'm not i'm i'm

55:29

, what you would consider a classic

55:31

deist right now right arm

55:34

or but all that stuff is is

55:36

amazed as i mean it's just like it's legal to

55:38

the roses elect so

55:40

i guess i calvinist literature charles

55:43

spurgeon for his preaching his sermons

55:45

all that stuff is just it's poetry it's

55:47

me yeah it's yeah yeah those guys were all completely

55:50

out of the trend them the mainline trend

55:52

of their debts are you know and and

55:54

because that mainline trend is the trend of basically

55:57

leads through rockefeller to riverside church

55:59

rates oh i'm in and

56:02

so either that the

56:05

like the ways in which these

56:07

things were coordinated i mean you

56:09

essentially there is a lot

56:11

of more totalitarian

56:13

stuff the does go on it's not the sort of pure

56:15

evolutionary force and i described so

56:18

for example you know one of the ways in which

56:20

we got this cathedral thanks carnegie

56:22

one of the first you know i'm robert

56:25

sacraments to really fallen with these lovers

56:27

of man on decides that

56:29

he's gonna support american universities

56:32

by giving every professor at

56:34

an american idol legitimate american university

56:37

a penchant for free for nothing out of

56:39

his steel fortune on of course

56:41

only problem is he has

56:43

the side with a legitimate university as right

56:45

if health and stuff up the have this

56:47

whole you know sort of series of kind

56:49

of more and more tighter kind

56:51

of on you know sort of

56:54

the information marketplace becomes actively

56:56

filtered and these filters

56:59

get tighter and tighter and tighter and

57:01

the thing that just grinds my gears

57:03

bet all of this like cancel culture stuff

57:06

that people on are talking about

57:08

you know nowadays is that they seem to genuinely

57:11

believe that this is a problem the started in

57:13

two thousand and twelve

57:14

or maybe like twenty can get a whole

57:16

lot of like for ,

57:20

i'm just like you are off my psu

57:22

orders of magnitude like you don't

57:24

like and you know if i if

57:26

i have an enemy and i can convince

57:28

him that the problem that he see

57:31

needs to solve an order to defeat me is

57:33

to wetter orders of magnitude smaller

57:37

then it actually as attorney to do

57:39

anything else writes you know how and

57:41

that might my greatest example of

57:43

cancel culture marcy marcin

57:48

via an outmoded over yeah

57:50

yeah yeah yeah yeah yes yes the early could

57:52

early the early christians wrangle yes

57:54

yes you would have thought about cancel culture you

57:56

know it's only i know the name or or know the name

57:59

mercy and become then we would happen to i might

58:01

you know because you know to start how he he

58:03

almost became pope and he was he

58:05

believed that the gotta the old testament was

58:07

an evil god and jesus came in the in

58:09

the nose estimates and i see them as it

58:11

is there is no such as like

58:14

that you are to talk about somebody's gotta cancel

58:16

know my rights or right i mean for that but that's

58:18

the thing is into this idea of cancel culture

58:21

assumes this model of oh here we

58:23

have this pure reservoir with streams

58:25

downward into the filthy augean stables

58:27

of power which somehow we sent

58:29

the entire pacific ocean through the audience

58:31

they have of miss the audience would now

58:34

some of my tower said images of act as act way

58:36

to be like the weekend mike

58:38

ashley to write you so unlike

58:42

the problem you seem to think the

58:44

problem is that there are

58:46

no more throat in the lake

58:48

and you're going to solve this problem putting

58:51

more trout immolate i'm like

58:53

no discomfort time the

58:55

rough is that your lake is full of townships

58:58

and it's not even a lake anymore it's

59:00

a sewage lagoon essence

59:02

of without , know i

59:04

that say yeah that's a level of

59:06

us out of the box thinking that it's it's well

59:09

you know i was were to say it's it's hard to

59:11

get people to this level of of about of the

59:13

of out of box thinking but in a way i

59:16

can i cannot wait till you hear can i say something

59:18

optimistic something positive surfing

59:21

uplifting ah you know

59:24

one of the things about you

59:26

know when you basically talk about how large

59:29

and old and this

59:31

problem is or how unimaginable

59:34

the measures that will be needed to solve

59:36

it are

59:37

um and you know i should

59:39

i should plug my throwback here you can go to

59:41

grey mirror with and i um

59:44

and dot throwback dot com and

59:46

read more of my um are

59:48

very very an theories

59:50

about the future which are very theoretical and not

59:52

practical at all um you know um

59:54

nothings with um the

59:57

um um actually my first paywall

59:59

are posts there's up now i'm it's

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ana how to turn bitcoin i

1:00:03

into an actual love virtual states everyone

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is gonna hate it so i'm desperate

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unsubscribe for i'm by

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to arm in

1:00:12

a speech a

1:00:15

you know via every

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, collect area

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right arm on arms yes

1:00:23

this is arms is this is actually did this is

1:00:25

a lot of crazy stuff but i have this is really

1:00:27

one of the craziest and most of knox's

1:00:30

things i've ever posted so i'm sure it'll

1:00:32

be i'm sure it'll be a minor classic arm

1:00:34

arm but yes so you know when you say

1:00:36

okay here's this problem that is just

1:00:39

of unimaginable scope and

1:00:41

really you're like i

1:00:45

think we need to throw the whole

1:00:47

nineteen hundreds

1:00:48

i like seeing the eighteen hundreds that the way i think you can do

1:00:50

that now now that it's the twenties i'm like

1:00:53

everything from than eighteen hundreds has

1:00:57

so everything right every

1:00:59

institution every you're

1:01:01

actually looking at a problem that

1:01:03

is really very comparable on

1:01:06

so the nazis had this word glacial tone

1:01:08

which means coordination and

1:01:10

what it meant was that every institution

1:01:13

in germany when they you

1:01:15

know came into power of course a

1:01:17

that was weimar germany which was plural

1:01:19

democratic germany arm which

1:01:22

in you know was so far her plural and

1:01:24

a lot of ways than our society today certainly intellectually

1:01:26

so it had all sorts of things and many the since

1:01:29

we're a political so i'm gonna one

1:01:31

of my favorite writers in this period as a guy

1:01:33

named victor klemperer i was a jewish

1:01:35

full all adjust to thanks to his aerion wife managed

1:01:37

to live throughout the third reich and

1:01:40

you read this amazing book he wrote his diaries

1:01:42

that are amazing and read this amazing book called language

1:01:44

of the third reich arm and

1:01:46

i'm one of the great stories that

1:01:48

appears in both of these is basically

1:01:51

or one of the telling stories as the sorry but glacial

1:01:53

talks on so

1:01:56

emperor has a cat that

1:01:59

doesn't make it through door klemperer as a cat

1:02:01

and he's a subscribes to a cat

1:02:03

mags

1:02:04

and in eighteen thirty one discount magazine

1:02:07

is all bear cats i'm

1:02:09

in him thirty five it's all about

1:02:12

the german cat you know encircle

1:02:15

a thought us every time i open

1:02:17

up like you know if you know the new york times today

1:02:20

and i go to like the food section unlike

1:02:22

the german task is a couple of

1:02:27

, i mean essentially everything

1:02:29

on and he has this great line he's like

1:02:31

you know of course on you know

1:02:33

brown is in essence socialise color socialise

1:02:35

he's like everything swim everything the same

1:02:37

brown sauce and like you go to the bab the bad

1:02:40

chinese restaurant where basically you

1:02:42

know they have one bottle sauce right you know and

1:02:44

you know everything in that world

1:02:46

becomes nazi and dallas

1:02:48

come in the cocker germany militarily

1:02:51

arm and the embark on this process

1:02:53

of the not suffocation and

1:02:56

dean ossification

1:02:58

there's been an amazing success am

1:03:01

i really can't even tell you how thoroughly

1:03:03

the germans or do not survive on

1:03:05

their much less nazi than the american city

1:03:07

not suffice i'm a ,

1:03:10

i'm actually some very brutal

1:03:12

tactics were used early and that regime

1:03:14

and then you know for and forty

1:03:16

five forty six start a forty seven

1:03:18

as a very bad years in germany ah you

1:03:20

can go read jcs than sixty seven to see how

1:03:22

bad they were on then you know actually the americans

1:03:25

rise why yeah we don't actually have to be says

1:03:27

asshole asshole and and

1:03:29

they stop being such as all this that while that

1:03:31

with they were also breaking up with stalin so

1:03:33

they stopped using the stalinist methods but

1:03:35

there were very firm but at the same time

1:03:38

it was not anything like you know what would have happened

1:03:40

if you know you

1:03:43

know hitler and occupied london or something but

1:03:45

it was still was complete regime change

1:03:47

and so every institution

1:03:50

every cat magazine had

1:03:52

take go back to being about cats generally

1:03:55

the easiest way to do that just

1:03:58

the start new cat magazine

1:04:01

i'm so you know when you basically

1:04:03

look at this process and you're like

1:04:05

okay on it actually

1:04:08

helps to see what's going on now because it's

1:04:10

such a reductio ad absurdum and

1:04:12

it lets you actually start thinking about

1:04:15

okay what would

1:04:17

the mark suffocation the

1:04:19

even mean

1:04:21

how would it have to be done what would be

1:04:23

the right way to do either

1:04:26

you believe in it obviously are you don't on

1:04:28

but to assume that basically

1:04:31

the mark suffocation will happen spontaneously

1:04:35

through the beneficial effect of the marketplace

1:04:37

of ideas on

1:04:40

you're going to be waiting on that one for long time get ah

1:04:42

i'm a hand on because basically

1:04:45

that system is it

1:04:47

just doesn't work on end

1:04:50

up so you

1:04:52

have to thinking completely different terms

1:04:54

you have to think in terms of basically the real

1:04:56

political science of

1:04:59

machiavelli arm and in fact

1:05:01

i'm if there's you know the two bucks

1:05:04

that i want to make sure i recommend today our

1:05:06

number one hoppers the good good democracy

1:05:08

the god that failed or if you're a libertarian

1:05:11

i would read that first and then i would read

1:05:13

on the great great book by

1:05:15

james burnham the machiavellian

1:05:18

arm which is essentially an introduction

1:05:20

to real political science arm

1:05:22

and i was out of print for a while

1:05:24

that is now you can get it again i think you can get a bootleg

1:05:26

addition on archive that order something on

1:05:29

the added on idea it's on audio you

1:05:31

can get it out it actually some lunch a wetland

1:05:34

get an excellent excellent i hope i helped

1:05:36

in some ways three popular is that book because

1:05:38

it's an absolute classics arm and

1:05:40

arm and and you know when

1:05:42

you basically start thinking in those

1:05:44

ways what

1:05:46

that leads you to do is

1:05:49

it leads you to think not think terms

1:05:51

of sort of these abstractions within

1:05:53

the marketplace of ideas but

1:05:56

at least you're actually thinking about power

1:05:58

and how it actually works

1:06:00

and so you sort of you

1:06:03

have your not enter your like you still inside

1:06:05

the truman show you're going to be inside the truman show

1:06:07

for for quite some time or harm

1:06:09

you know but at least you're not mentally within

1:06:12

the truman show and you can start thinking about

1:06:14

okay what is the right and proper

1:06:16

and even beautiful way for this to and

1:06:19

what will it look like after a dance in

1:06:22

in you know arm and

1:06:24

and that's and totally different sort of register

1:06:27

of thinking then thinking and you

1:06:29

know what know what right or

1:06:31

you know thinking as many people still do they think

1:06:33

about issues they're like oh the government's do this

1:06:35

the government to do that i'm like well you know the government

1:06:38

a marsh distance do that and you

1:06:40

know probably fucked up in a lot of ways because his plan

1:06:42

it is is totally baron but ah

1:06:44

don't seem to have any power of the government of mars i

1:06:46

you know wow wow do you have any power over the government

1:06:48

washington ah no well maybe

1:06:51

you shouldn't be thinking about what to do because

1:06:53

you seem to be acting like a guy in a desert island

1:06:55

deciding what kind of steak the order you know

1:06:58

ascendant if i'm i'm this

1:07:00

is not a or of like you know yeah

1:07:03

i think pornography is make would basically also

1:07:05

a good you know analogy here when you when

1:07:07

you ask yourself what washington should

1:07:09

do or how it should be governed and you have

1:07:11

no power you're basically and in

1:07:13

sell looking at porn arm and

1:07:15

you're being stimulated by this feeling

1:07:18

of being important and mattering you're

1:07:20

not important you don't matter

1:07:23

if you decide that you do want to be important

1:07:26

and you do want a matter your first question

1:07:28

is not oh

1:07:30

what should i do when i'm when i'm king

1:07:32

i the question of how you actually become king

1:07:34

is a much much more relevant questions on

1:07:37

and so just by sort

1:07:39

of assume is called it's

1:07:41

called you know here's a concrete

1:07:43

example of this you know people key still care

1:07:45

about elections in this country like you

1:07:48

know how and why man you know like

1:07:50

my father worked in the state department my my

1:07:52

mother worked in a department of energy my stepfather

1:07:54

was on the hill unlike you know

1:07:57

i'll tell ya the state department thinks about elections

1:08:00

imagine you're a fish the

1:08:02

coral reef in one day there's

1:08:04

a storm the storm and

1:08:06

you're like you know i i

1:08:09

keep moving back and forth a little bit really

1:08:12

uncomfortable helps the hard to get the algae

1:08:14

out of the rocks you know but you're not up there in the

1:08:16

fucking waves you know how it happened

1:08:19

like the way the not crashing on the coral right

1:08:21

you know you're just like i've he everything

1:08:23

evil and sixty today on end

1:08:26

the level if you look at the level of

1:08:28

power and i think a lot of

1:08:30

people sort of intuitively realize this

1:08:33

but you know one simple way

1:08:35

of quantifying it as

1:08:37

you say okay how much if

1:08:39

i wanted to give

1:08:41

the president who elected americans

1:08:44

complete control over the executive

1:08:46

branch how much would

1:08:48

i increases power by in

1:08:51

, of magnitude would that

1:08:53

be one order of magnitude two orders

1:08:55

of magnitude three or four

1:08:57

i think somewhere between three and four right

1:09:00

so one way to one way this

1:09:02

very very you know when

1:09:06

analogy that makes this point clear his

1:09:09

arm that it's actually very

1:09:11

very common in political history

1:09:14

for institutions which are formerly

1:09:16

powerful to become essentially

1:09:19

ritual though if you

1:09:21

look at the emperor of japan and

1:09:23

the queen of england they're both

1:09:25

done you know gone to the same process actually

1:09:28

the emperor of japan has been fake for i believe

1:09:30

over a thousand years on and

1:09:32

on the i'm just not even

1:09:34

the real authority in the meiji restoration i'm

1:09:37

but i'm if you look at let's

1:09:39

say for the sake of argument that queen

1:09:42

elizabeth's is actually the

1:09:44

ruling queen of england elizabeth

1:09:47

the first elizabeth the second

1:09:49

let's say for the sake of argument old us year

1:09:51

with your wifi say this the brits it's amazing

1:09:54

though the like so push back on you so hard

1:09:56

when you say the queen elizabeth the second doesn't matter

1:09:59

i do americans it's clearly obvious that this

1:10:01

is this the stijl oregon that's completely irrelevant

1:10:03

to the way to country is governed even parliament

1:10:05

as a vestigial or didn't you know hum

1:10:08

hum you know that the queen of like a vestigial

1:10:10

organ square so if you want to evaluate

1:10:13

the reality

1:10:15

the of a political figure

1:10:17

you can say well is is more like

1:10:19

elizabeth the first are more like elizabeth the

1:10:21

said

1:10:22

well i you know i can tell you that any time

1:10:25

someone goes into donald trump's office to meet

1:10:27

him to the cameramen there and take

1:10:29

a photo together

1:10:31

now if you're the ceo of

1:10:33

apple do you spend a quarter of

1:10:35

your day and photo ops i don't think

1:10:37

so so that answers your question right there right

1:10:39

you know and so you basically when

1:10:41

you care about these elections you're participating

1:10:44

in this essentially ceremonial process

1:10:47

is not completely ceremonial it

1:10:49

isn't going on all the way to

1:10:52

elizabeth the second but

1:10:54

it's clearly not elizabeth the first and

1:10:56

so if you basically take that

1:10:58

as take ratio you say okay here

1:11:01

i'm going down to the point

1:11:03

i'm going to elect i in

1:11:05

the other you know sixty

1:11:07

million americans who vote nine hundred

1:11:09

and twenty whatever it is ah yes it's like a hundred

1:11:11

and twenty am i in these other

1:11:13

americans are going to choose the head of

1:11:16

the executive france as defined in the constitution

1:11:20

okay what percentage of

1:11:23

absolute control over that executive

1:11:26

branch does that figure half oh

1:11:28

i see it's about oh point one percent you

1:11:31

can push it around in various ways you can certainly

1:11:33

disrupt it's functioning but basically

1:11:36

you're not participating in a one hundred percent

1:11:38

election year participating in an

1:11:40

old point one percent alexa so

1:11:42

forget about your voting machines being hacked

1:11:45

got hacked a one time ago but he did

1:11:47

a whole opened

1:11:49

, so you know in a way

1:11:52

you're basically like when you start

1:11:54

to ask in ask really stupid obvious

1:11:56

questions like this you know neglect

1:11:59

is that really

1:12:00

the to the thing where they say democracy is good

1:12:02

but politics as bad

1:12:04

like i'm like you already got him or for a man

1:12:06

you know your grandparents got a animal farm

1:12:09

and arm on

1:12:14

you know there's this great book by i'm

1:12:17

you know he published by the missus institute actually

1:12:19

this great american journalist with a really

1:12:21

weird named derek garrett first

1:12:24

garrett has only one are the second garrett

1:12:26

has two hours on end

1:12:28

entities and and the first one

1:12:30

only has one t arm and great

1:12:32

qb he was a mainstream financial journalist

1:12:35

followed the very typical twenties thirties

1:12:37

task of being a liberal who becomes a libertarian

1:12:40

and than a right winger i'm and

1:12:42

arm he wrote a wonderful

1:12:44

book which i believe you can get on the missus institute

1:12:47

of in a website called the revolution was

1:12:49

ah any read this in the forties and your bases

1:12:52

basically message was too

1:12:55

all these right wingers who were

1:12:57

at the time and have always been saying

1:12:59

at the time at you know until

1:13:01

this time oh i'm

1:13:03

a republican supposed to be overthrown were

1:13:06

on the cusp of you know we could we

1:13:08

could you know we're gonna win it we can do the right

1:13:10

here you know but your check your

1:13:12

check is going to turn the tide you know so

1:13:14

i'm get it get out get out get out get

1:13:16

out your your pen right now i'm and

1:13:18

it's like this whole fundraising

1:13:21

pits of we're going to turn the tide and and

1:13:23

garrick arid it's like like the tighter

1:13:25

to came in you know the republic

1:13:28

of the nineteen twenties is no more it does

1:13:30

not exist i you know what we have is

1:13:32

basically two phases of ft our republic

1:13:34

we have the monarchy when fdr was alive and

1:13:37

we have the the oligarchical

1:13:39

bureaucracy after he died data

1:13:42

regime you know dishes

1:13:44

and eighteen century is just like matters

1:13:46

as much as like the goddess ahmed rashid

1:13:48

getting the magic sword to the first emperor

1:13:50

of japan in japan castle ah

1:13:53

i'm you know if you could bring any

1:13:55

of the founders back and had them

1:13:57

look at this present system they would be like man

1:14:01

i'm no idea what the fuck this is that like

1:14:03

it doesn't have set to do with whatever we we don't

1:14:05

you know i said they'll

1:14:07

be like be like ate you know it's it's done right

1:14:10

and so you know thinking about it

1:14:12

from that perspective on

1:14:15

you know you look the walls of the box

1:14:17

for completely away and you're basically

1:14:19

like i don't you know

1:14:22

i don't know what period in history to take

1:14:24

seriously ah i can't

1:14:26

really take the present seriously that doesn't

1:14:28

mean the passes and any part of the passes

1:14:30

magically perfect i'm

1:14:32

you know when i look at the enemies of the present

1:14:35

and ago back in the past i find them and satisfactory

1:14:38

ah i'm you know what

1:14:40

the fuck where do we go from here and

1:14:43

i think that that's only in of this

1:14:45

response which i've chosen to called nihilism

1:14:47

even though it has nothing to do with historical nihilism

1:14:50

nihilism thinking x nilo thinking

1:14:52

from scratch thinking okay like

1:14:54

you know on than

1:14:56

eighteen hundreds were

1:14:59

just another period in history there

1:15:01

were crazy all kinds of crazy shit

1:15:03

happening got done people did crazy

1:15:05

bad things they did crazy good things that's

1:15:07

what people do you know we have

1:15:09

these institutions that were left over from this

1:15:11

period you know many of them are perfectly

1:15:14

fine there's nothing wrong with the coastguard as far

1:15:16

as i'm aware i don't believe that any was managed

1:15:18

know might have been a little bit of you know a

1:15:20

racial been counting but other than that

1:15:22

i'm pretty sure the coastguard you

1:15:25

know in any future regime

1:15:27

will continue to do basically what it does now

1:15:29

ah

1:15:31

can't really say the same a harvard awesome

1:15:34

he had a health care centers for am

1:15:36

i realize that it's a private institution

1:15:38

this been there since sixteen thirty six but

1:15:40

you know to , many tag iraq

1:15:42

afghanistan afghanistan

1:15:45

an as ed and

1:15:47

so insider was you

1:15:49

want those tanks to actually be privately

1:15:51

owned tanks or it well it

1:15:54

you know depending on what you define the

1:15:56

you know that the new government as maybe maybe

1:15:58

the whole united states is privately owned on

1:16:00

the he he ha i'm

1:16:03

, the thing is the way i think in

1:16:05

a let's let's go back to your your libertarian

1:16:07

audience you know in a way for for

1:16:09

a while because i

1:16:11

really do think of myself as of myself

1:16:13

libertarianism and a libertarian

1:16:16

and that's not because libertarianism

1:16:19

is wrong it's not that i can

1:16:21

really point to anything and rothbart

1:16:23

and meters and say you

1:16:26

know like the zini in the princess

1:16:28

bride you're a fucking idiot meters you

1:16:30

know a harm arm's but i mean these

1:16:32

are all these are taking next six years i'm

1:16:35

in a way i think of when

1:16:37

i look at most political theories

1:16:39

that attract a large number of people i'm

1:16:42

i think of them as sort of like newtonian

1:16:45

physics where you have something that's

1:16:47

basically right within a certain

1:16:49

envelope and then outside

1:16:52

of that envelope it becomes wrong

1:16:54

and maybe even

1:16:56

extremely wrong but you can use classical

1:16:58

there are plenty of context where you don't have to

1:17:00

cure all about twentieth century physics right

1:17:03

arm nineteenth century physics just worked

1:17:05

perfectly and then towards the end

1:17:07

of the nineteenth century physicists start

1:17:09

to find these areas

1:17:11

of physics where their equations distant

1:17:13

fucking work and off and

1:17:15

you know they come up with things like the black body from where

1:17:17

they're just like wow just like every

1:17:20

instance as radio everything should be glowing at

1:17:22

all times by the hell is is not happening

1:17:24

on and on

1:17:26

and they discovered that they need

1:17:29

not series that violate

1:17:31

classical physics but series that extend

1:17:34

it into regimes that newton

1:17:36

couldn't see and

1:17:39

so when i think about

1:17:41

libertarianism i'm in i

1:17:43

think perhaps the oldest on

1:17:46

expression of of libertarianism

1:17:48

is actually chinese

1:17:50

in taoism i'm

1:17:52

you know where basically ah

1:17:54

you know lotsa is like

1:17:56

you know that the that the greatest monarch

1:17:59

is he who rules the right and

1:18:01

so you know i certainly

1:18:03

believe that in the general case

1:18:05

the greatest monarch are the greatest government

1:18:08

is the government the rules the least and

1:18:12

yet you know we have i

1:18:16

mean even if you look at the roman empire

1:18:19

was sick the roman empire before it starts

1:18:21

to get economically kind of weird with like thai

1:18:23

police in in shit are you the

1:18:25

price controls get really heavy taxation

1:18:27

but like you know if you look at the roman empire

1:18:30

in the era of like markets fucking a rally

1:18:32

us right you know arm you're

1:18:34

talking about a bunch the

1:18:37

independent self governing city states

1:18:40

and the city states are in the same roof position

1:18:43

as the countries in europe today they

1:18:45

govern themselves they have no independent foreign

1:18:47

policy

1:18:48

the only reason european countries have armies

1:18:51

is just basically keep up appearances i'm

1:18:53

an end so i'm

1:18:56

i'm it's just something you need to do if you're pretending

1:18:58

to be a real government arm but

1:19:00

of course yeah right and

1:19:02

and so the roman empire has this

1:19:04

kind of libertarian quality if you look

1:19:06

at it clearly because basically it

1:19:09

doesn't think of like you know a

1:19:11

governing these cities from you know like

1:19:13

no no one in rome is like saying okay

1:19:16

with drugs should we be allowed to it should be allowed

1:19:18

to be sold in the stalls of the marketed ethicists

1:19:20

rights is a half a half and know

1:19:23

nobody's nobody's never be obvious is technically

1:19:25

possible arm and

1:19:27

on

1:19:28

so that's sort of very very libertarian

1:19:31

in a way and i'm sure

1:19:33

marcus aurelius also in some ways realized that

1:19:35

the government is best the government's least on

1:19:38

you know but the point of getting too

1:19:42

the sort of the counter balance to that

1:19:44

is if you know carl schmitt doctrine of

1:19:46

the exception where you know carl

1:19:48

schmitt says that in any sovereignty

1:19:52

is being above the law sovereignty

1:19:55

is the ability to violate any

1:19:58

other rules it has to be section

1:20:00

two any other rules sovereignty

1:20:02

is conserved there's always power above

1:20:05

law in any structure that

1:20:07

has ever been built on so

1:20:09

you know what carl schmitt cause the exception in

1:20:11

anglo american legal history would be called the royal

1:20:14

prerogative on ,

1:20:16

you'll see you know many bitter fight about

1:20:18

this in that you know fifteen three that seventeenth

1:20:20

centuries arm he harm

1:20:23

are you know outmuscle him

1:20:25

he hath fifteenth and sixteenth centuries

1:20:27

sixteenth you know it's the out the prerogative the supreme

1:20:30

and then you know parliament arises

1:20:32

in kind of lawfare since wind power of

1:20:34

you know separate discussions okay so

1:20:36

when you're a libertarian in libertarian way

1:20:39

the way i think about libertarianism think

1:20:41

about it's an unstable equilibrium so

1:20:44

you're familiar with it a stable equilibrium which

1:20:46

is like a a pencil lying on

1:20:48

a desk

1:20:51

change that analogy for a moment eg like

1:20:53

that you know apple doesn't do anything shake

1:20:55

a little stays there now put the

1:20:57

pencil on it's point

1:21:00

i'm you'll notice that the amount

1:21:02

of energy that you need to keep the

1:21:04

pencil stable

1:21:06

decreases as he go closer

1:21:08

to talk dead center

1:21:10

if you have trouble thinking about this imagine that

1:21:12

the pencils the size of a telephone pole

1:21:15

and you're standing on it next to a ladder yeah

1:21:18

the latter thousand telephone pole you can

1:21:20

hold of that telephone poles top

1:21:22

dead center and standing on a point

1:21:25

and you're right next to a to adult on the ladder you

1:21:27

can hold it

1:21:28

carpeted center because you're

1:21:31

you're you're just naturally counteract those those

1:21:33

that balance of forces that's why

1:21:35

you know you can if you ride a motorcycle you

1:21:37

can ride or you know

1:21:40

well hundred pound gold wing or something and

1:21:42

still won't fall over on you

1:21:44

know and so

1:21:47

however that pencil

1:21:49

there it's pencil or telephone pole always

1:21:55

you'll never get to zero force there

1:21:58

always has to be a hand pushing it

1:22:00

in some direction you can never quite get it to

1:22:02

a point where it's completely stable and

1:22:04

arm the sort of the equivalent

1:22:07

of that in the contest for

1:22:09

sovereignty is simply that everyone likes

1:22:11

sovereignty the pencil was the fall down on

1:22:14

you know people want to take that power and

1:22:16

so

1:22:17

what you find is that if you're in a position

1:22:20

where you want an unstable equilibrium

1:22:22

which is this beautiful thing of the pencil standing on

1:22:24

it's point

1:22:26

but you're actually in the other kind of stable

1:22:28

equilibrium which is this council which is the size

1:22:30

of a fucking telephone pole is

1:22:32

lying on the ground

1:22:35

and you're like the ideal form

1:22:37

of government is is this the pencil should be standing

1:22:39

straight up a top dead center

1:22:42

okay this way of thinking does not at

1:22:44

all help you get the pencil the top dead center

1:22:47

you know it's basically it's enormous religious

1:22:49

way of thinking we're just like god would

1:22:51

want the pencil to be adopted center so why

1:22:53

isn't it a top dead center i had your

1:22:55

i'm like well because nobody has a fucking

1:22:57

crane in a bulldozer her and

1:22:59

like the heavy equipment that is needed

1:23:01

to exert the massive amounts of force

1:23:05

which by the way you know one thing that i would say

1:23:07

is that force and violence are opposites most

1:23:09

people think of violence when they think of for some

1:23:11

like blowing up the telephone pole

1:23:13

hofstra left to get very gently

1:23:16

imagine it's like the column of hadrian it has

1:23:18

like a priceless artworks

1:23:20

on the side you know that's how you do revolutions

1:23:23

in the twentieth century like you know everything

1:23:26

has to be you know it's like

1:23:29

when you wicked twentieth century regime changes

1:23:31

i'm you know and it's sort of clear

1:23:34

that the only way out here as regime change

1:23:36

and you're basically like okay well

1:23:38

we can look at some really frickin heinous ones

1:23:40

okay let's talk about the not suffocation

1:23:43

we on that one were not apologizing for it

1:23:45

so you know it better be okay harm

1:23:48

that one's a little bit rough let's look

1:23:50

at the fall of east germany that

1:23:52

was beautiful

1:23:54

you know it's a or the full of czechoslovakia

1:23:56

the the velvet revolution you know it's just

1:23:58

like not a here

1:24:00

the head of anyone is touched and yet

1:24:02

power changes hands completely

1:24:04

right hand and in the old

1:24:06

regime is like the day after the

1:24:09

stasi offices are closed the stasi

1:24:11

is dead forever i'm

1:24:14

not at all is a lot to decentralise character

1:24:16

of the regime and we have a much more decentralized

1:24:19

regimes nonetheless you know

1:24:21

that's the effect that you need you know it's like

1:24:23

basically no one would imagine

1:24:25

saying oh let's continue that the stasi

1:24:28

as like the f b i these years of germany

1:24:30

heat right you could i have a home on

1:24:32

it's clear that this is not an organization that

1:24:34

cannot can be in any way reformed and

1:24:37

it's much easier to simply replace it's

1:24:39

and also we need a commission to study it's crimes

1:24:41

arm as and haha be

1:24:44

arm aren't as and so

1:24:46

when you imagine i'm i'm

1:24:48

i'm in my god what what he's him he licks the stasi

1:24:50

files okay what do you think is in the files the

1:24:53

new york times the

1:24:55

ever leave you ever see leaks out of new york times

1:24:58

you know what yeah me my god rights just go

1:25:00

forth and so

1:25:02

when you imagine regime change you have

1:25:04

to imagine it's sort of on

1:25:08

you imagine a couple of things one is that

1:25:10

you're imagining you're doing like

1:25:12

the best twentieth century regime change but

1:25:14

you're doing it even better far

1:25:16

more beautiful the whole

1:25:18

principles on which you

1:25:20

know you think like you

1:25:23

can't leave any kind of traditional

1:25:25

chestnuts unexamined like

1:25:28

you know it's all bankrupt you can't

1:25:30

go back to the republic of the nineteen thirties

1:25:32

of the making fifties or something like you

1:25:34

know

1:25:36

you don't think that was built on lies to mass

1:25:38

effect kids a half of

1:25:41

, are you know i'm i'm in

1:25:44

you know whether that one of the great things about reading that

1:25:46

the tories of the american revolution is

1:25:48

just watching them blow up via

1:25:50

the armed the revolutionary lies so

1:25:53

if you want to test basically you know

1:25:55

my at this theory is very easy

1:25:57

test that you can do which is you

1:25:59

can read a very short piece they

1:26:02

very great american named thomas hutchinson

1:26:05

who was the last or next to last

1:26:08

rail governor of massachusetts arm

1:26:11

and it's called arm he actually

1:26:13

had he was also a historian of massachusetts

1:26:16

he had his house which was full of priceless

1:26:18

manuscripts burned by

1:26:20

the revolutionary mom

1:26:22

when talk about cancel concerts ah

1:26:25

i'm a firm they cancelled with

1:26:27

a tar and feathers at that time as you know which is

1:26:29

basically mob torture or

1:26:31

harm you know imagine endorsing adding that

1:26:33

in the twenty first century oh yes actually

1:26:35

mobs come in like torture people you

1:26:37

know i'm i'm i'm and humiliate

1:26:39

them on so he had his house burned

1:26:41

down and i use us of course i you

1:26:43

know the greatest american electoral of

1:26:45

eighteenth century i'm and

1:26:47

has been completely cancelled ever since

1:26:50

and he wrote this little

1:26:52

, called strictures on the declaration

1:26:56

of the congress at still adelphia and

1:26:58

what it is is what as bloggers

1:27:00

we just call a fist king of the declaration

1:27:03

of independence so hutchinson

1:27:05

writing this letter back to some noble friend

1:27:07

of his in england is like basically like all

1:27:10

right you've probably seen this piece of paper

1:27:12

to de smet cases put out or is

1:27:14

kind of you notice that you notice of all kind of hi tone

1:27:16

vague bloviation and you can't really tell

1:27:18

what it's talking about so here's what i'm gonna

1:27:20

do i'm going to go through a line by line and

1:27:22

i'm can explain what they're talking about

1:27:25

and with the real issue is so you know

1:27:27

i'm you know is a declaration is

1:27:29

like ideas instructed does schemes

1:27:32

for his instructor ubs you know complained

1:27:34

but the king he is obstructed our plans for

1:27:37

you know of supporting your own economy and hudson's

1:27:39

life like yeah they were talking about

1:27:41

this like fraudulent paper money scheme that they

1:27:43

had that i sit down you know i men

1:27:46

are like steel directed new a taxes

1:27:48

and said words of officers are you know

1:27:50

to i and forces burdensome regulations

1:27:52

and touch him from flights yeah okay so

1:27:54

you know i heard about you know twenty guys

1:27:56

because basically everybody was smuggling

1:27:59

and not like they get the brick and jackson so

1:28:01

i thought i yeah let's actually do this

1:28:03

so yeah that's when he might

1:28:05

be of the thirty by now as fuck both

1:28:07

of us and , basically

1:28:10

you notice like totally like

1:28:12

i mean cuts the legs out of

1:28:14

this like sort of bloviating pile

1:28:16

of nonsense and you're like ah

1:28:19

that politically incorrect you know

1:28:21

i mean you can't even tell if it's

1:28:23

actually not even politically incorrect to debunk

1:28:26

the declaration of independence awesome

1:28:28

assassins i'm arms and

1:28:30

so you're basically like the

1:28:32

farther outside of the box you guess

1:28:36

the going gets easier because

1:28:39

you're just getting farther and farther

1:28:41

away from this thing you're getting farther

1:28:44

away from the stereotypes of ideas

1:28:46

which it believes it it hates in which is

1:28:48

sort of more you against and you're getting

1:28:50

into just sit that you've never fucking seen before

1:28:53

you're like holy cow i was in this overton

1:28:55

window i was in the suit a little box and

1:28:57

then i'm like how do i get outside of the overton

1:28:59

window and then i'm like wow

1:29:02

i need to get us out of the whole overton building

1:29:04

then i'm like wow i don't even think

1:29:06

i'm in municipal overturn anymore

1:29:09

recognition effort and ,

1:29:11

and so once you're outside of their and

1:29:13

you see the present as a sort of

1:29:15

little dot in time which is subject

1:29:17

to the same kinds of follies and foibles

1:29:20

that every other period is subject to be

1:29:22

like okay i can kind of first

1:29:25

was very relaxing you know your way outside

1:29:27

in the country nobody else is there than a screaming

1:29:29

there's no cars is just like fields

1:29:31

is like totally alien you know

1:29:34

corn in her fourth and you're like

1:29:36

wow i've never seen plants like this before

1:29:38

ah i'm and nobody's yelling at me

1:29:41

and you know if i were to describe

1:29:43

what i see nobody could even really hear it on

1:29:46

an end to arm or this is cool

1:29:49

and i feel kind of relaxed

1:29:51

about this and the other thing about

1:29:53

the sort of escaping from this way you

1:29:56

know from the box in this way instead of the sort

1:29:58

of kind of grad really

1:30:00

arguing people into like

1:30:03

you know the way libertarians debate where local

1:30:05

basically was kind of gradually argue

1:30:07

people sort of more to deter or these kind of free

1:30:09

market ideals and cetera et cetera and

1:30:11

instead i'm like

1:30:14

no actually when you tap and

1:30:16

as we just need to comedy to blow up your whole reality

1:30:18

arm and that

1:30:20

is not on typically

1:30:24

thought of as a mainstream pitch ah

1:30:28

the and the why people don't

1:30:30

think of that is a mainstream pitch is

1:30:32

that they're kind of stuck in this sort of norman

1:30:34

rockwell republic of

1:30:37

you know we're going over town meeting in the a we're going to

1:30:39

debate these issues in rural not are

1:30:41

the taxes to hired we need to make this investment

1:30:43

on our our future whatever rights you

1:30:45

know we're going to participate in this policy

1:30:47

making process as a as an

1:30:49

educated nation i release were going to

1:30:51

simulate participating that because we're actually

1:30:54

you know under the instruction of walter lippmann site

1:30:56

you know journalists right i'm in ohio and

1:30:58

and yet so here's this whole thing that sort

1:31:00

of just as much as of of a farce as a

1:31:03

as the magic sword given to the japanese emperor

1:31:05

whenever i'm like of it's a thing isn't even fucking

1:31:07

sharks you know a second intifada

1:31:10

yeah , tell me it's like plus seven

1:31:13

caetano of like vanquishing whole army

1:31:15

the man for as the flights he never

1:31:17

wants to use it you know i don't think it's even sharp

1:31:19

awesome oh and i'm on

1:31:22

the i in fact the might even be just the handle like

1:31:24

he's like i've never drawn the sword but not you

1:31:26

tell us on the so

1:31:30

you're like okay this is a farce and

1:31:32

which you have to convince people

1:31:35

to do is see through

1:31:37

not to change their minds and the sort of linear

1:31:39

way but to kind of experience

1:31:42

this just drop out

1:31:44

of this whole conversation entirely

1:31:47

so one of the things

1:31:50

i think that makes most people despair

1:31:52

when they're basically looking at

1:31:54

creating political change this traditional

1:31:57

process of you know convincing

1:31:59

their fellow

1:32:00

statesman to support some issue or other

1:32:02

arm is that you know obviously

1:32:04

they live in a the accuracy and they're not surrounded by states

1:32:06

and and at all and you know if you go

1:32:09

back to really a more ancient political theory

1:32:11

your base or even old american political theory

1:32:14

you know john adams is like basically our constitution

1:32:16

was only made for virtuous people write

1:32:18

in any others you know just like forget

1:32:20

it the people can't do anything and you just like you

1:32:23

try to give the people virtue and give

1:32:25

the virtuous ideas and tell them virtuous

1:32:27

things and you just like like everyone

1:32:29

says yet rohit in a whole thing is

1:32:32

awesome i'm on i'm got a pivot like

1:32:34

it's a start of thing like you have to pivots

1:32:36

and you have to pivot toward what people

1:32:39

actually are and so

1:32:42

instead of looking for something

1:32:44

like virtue which

1:32:46

has been declining for many

1:32:49

hundreds of years arguably i

1:32:51

mean my god look at a frickin puritans i mean

1:32:54

even the puritans of like you know and

1:32:56

sixteen hundred are just amazing compare

1:32:58

to the puritans of like you know the seventeen eighties

1:33:01

whenever i'm and

1:33:04

i mean there is a complete cult but they're beautiful

1:33:06

amazing people i'm complete

1:33:08

psychos but i'm in a very virtuous

1:33:11

assassination plot so

1:33:13

you know you have this declining trend in virtue

1:33:15

but where do you have a rising trend

1:33:18

we're have actually people become

1:33:20

more capable wet talents

1:33:22

of the gained in the twentieth century

1:33:25

and one way to look at the talents that they've

1:33:27

gained his to go back and look

1:33:29

at our early propaganda from

1:33:31

earlier in the eighteen hundreds so

1:33:33

in the early nineteen hundreds corsi of world war two

1:33:36

prop world war one propaganda if

1:33:38

you've ever seen any world war one propaganda maybe

1:33:40

like maybe poster something they were really doing so

1:33:42

murder at the time you know the propaganda

1:33:44

pitch is pitch is simple their arm

1:33:46

which is gonna beat the hun or

1:33:49

he will rape your sister with bayonets

1:33:51

right you know and very straightforward and

1:33:53

it's basically like geared at a year olds you

1:33:56

look at the scene like wow this war was fought

1:33:59

my eight year olds

1:34:00

eight year old reasons and you're like of actual

1:34:02

causes the word it's like the diplomatic politics

1:34:04

or whatever completely beyond the

1:34:06

grasp of these idiots who are at their with bayonets

1:34:09

right thinking i'm stopping the hung from writing

1:34:11

my sister go to world war two

1:34:15

you know i'm propaganda from world war two

1:34:17

was much more accessible i'm

1:34:20

and you're like okay twelve

1:34:23

year old

1:34:24

to work for twelve yards on there's

1:34:26

a there's a documentary i ask guy you

1:34:28

know everyone to see because it's so it

1:34:30

just breaks your brain and so many different ways

1:34:34

it's native forty five ah

1:34:36

after the war it was armed directed

1:34:38

by the director i'm director

1:34:41

i'm siegel later directed

1:34:43

dirty harry ah it

1:34:45

has a script he's not credited in the credits

1:34:47

but the script is actually was cut down from a longer

1:34:49

film by frank capra called

1:34:52

your job in germany arm and the

1:34:54

script is by dr seuss ah

1:34:56

i don't see you've ever seen any doubt dr seuss his

1:34:58

wartime propaganda but it's absolutely amazing

1:35:01

if you're looking for a racist caricatures of of

1:35:03

of

1:35:04

japanese drawn by dr seuss i'm

1:35:07

easy to find ah him and

1:35:10

arm and he also has a way with words and

1:35:12

so serious as propaganda film it's have

1:35:15

a seventeen minutes long you can find it easily

1:35:17

and you tube it's from the middle of nineteen forty

1:35:19

five the title the film is

1:35:22

hitler lives

1:35:24

very easy to google just go to your browser and type in hitler

1:35:26

lives i'm you know maybe

1:35:28

it's a private window or something a and

1:35:31

know you'll end up on youtube

1:35:33

watching this film and what this film will tell

1:35:35

you is here this year's the cause of

1:35:37

of a

1:35:41

against the eternal german and is eternal

1:35:44

compulsion to conquer the world it

1:35:47

was a rates were of self defense

1:35:50

the word zoo is never mentioned arm

1:35:52

and at the end of the goal the war's world

1:35:54

peace and there's is nice picture of all the world leaders

1:35:57

sitting together with stalin under this you

1:35:59

know that the black i'm not

1:36:01

going to benefit and i'm i'm i'm

1:36:04

by the same director as dirty harry ah

1:36:07

se so get

1:36:09

out and you watch this film you just like plants

1:36:12

and you'll also notice that it's propaganda

1:36:14

technique it's not world were once

1:36:16

your but it's still incredibly crude

1:36:19

and if you show this to most americans today

1:36:22

and you made the same style of film is like

1:36:24

warning against proven or even trump

1:36:26

or something or yeah there's yeah lot of stuff and hitler

1:36:28

lives but domestic politics to this especially

1:36:30

good because we need to be the nazis back home who

1:36:33

are the little trump's essentially arm

1:36:35

and arm or amazing or

1:36:37

amazing and you're just like

1:36:40

the modern media

1:36:44

excuse me are the modern little because

1:36:46

i'm sorry since i was dumb second

1:36:48

and media consumer or

1:36:53

it what i need a sweater

1:36:55

the modern media consumer i'm

1:36:57

i'm i'm yes soda water is actually cures

1:37:00

uncovered argonauts put a little

1:37:03

i'm but v i don't

1:37:06

don't don't forget

1:37:09

oh my god i've just i've just made this you gotta

1:37:11

you gotta cut that are you two will cancel

1:37:13

automatically detect it and guess hope you

1:37:15

will you located know yeah i'm

1:37:18

i'm in any case

1:37:21

the arm the modern

1:37:23

media consumer

1:37:27

just get the time code on a guy like

1:37:29

it's gonna dance the author

1:37:33

of the i just as believe that believe don't

1:37:35

see what it is of the that

1:37:37

the modern on that modern

1:37:39

modern modern media consumer is

1:37:41

basically arm

1:37:44

there's not a trace of irony

1:37:46

in any of these things they are all street

1:37:48

on the nosy to slam you street on

1:37:51

the nose colgate toothpaste

1:37:53

is absolutely the best toothpaste all other

1:37:55

toothpaste will make your teeth rot and followed

1:37:57

in turn black colgate toothpaste

1:38:00

we'll get the girl right you know and

1:38:02

and like you can't advertise this way down

1:38:04

right you know if you watch the super bowl

1:38:06

or something like it used to be when

1:38:08

you know when i was a kid watching the super bowl sometimes

1:38:10

you'd see an ironic commercial in

1:38:25

a

1:38:32

let's take conception and let's go back

1:38:35

and let's show it in

1:38:38

to a movie audience from nineteen

1:38:40

sixty

1:38:43

there would be like

1:38:46

they would you know they were they would walk out there would

1:38:48

be like did someone put something in my pocket words

1:38:51

you know i've heard about cary grant and is alice

1:38:53

the experiments you know maybe that's what's going on

1:38:55

here there would be just like unable

1:38:57

to process it completely it

1:38:59

wouldn't even be out like a cult way of i might

1:39:02

be a console but you know aren't you

1:39:04

show that when it was made even

1:39:07

in even in like so it in like nineteen ninety

1:39:10

they would be like occult film be like repo man or something

1:39:12

be like were mad at some weird like college

1:39:14

down stuff you know when

1:39:17

he can or whatever the fuck in blockbuster

1:39:20

arm and people are just like oh yeah there are three levels

1:39:22

of reality and see this one is hidden on how to

1:39:24

that one and makes you go up and reality in

1:39:26

down and everything is an illusion in the city offers

1:39:28

thirds into bits and people have

1:39:30

this is of big you know people

1:39:33

have been ringing the

1:39:35

irony as a reflex they can't

1:39:37

take anything fucking seriously they

1:39:40

have no clue about anything but

1:39:42

jesus does the know how to be ironic and

1:39:44

so you know hey he's when

1:39:47

you're appealing to the modern world

1:39:49

you're just you know you don't want

1:39:51