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Now without further delay, here's today's

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I guess

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this week is Chris Hemsworth. Many of you

0:53

need no introduction Chris course and most of

0:55

you probably know who he is through his

0:57

work as Thor in the Marvel movie series.

0:59

You've also likely seen him in no shortage of other

1:02

movies out there and of course my absolute favorite

1:04

movie with him is Rush.

1:06

I wanted to sit down with Chris to talk

1:08

specifically about his work in the recent

1:10

project through National Geographic called

1:13

Limitless, which is now available on

1:15

Disney Plus. Prior to the beginning

1:17

of filming for Limitless, which was in

1:19

January twenty twenty, I didn't know Chris. But over

1:21

past three years, I've gotten to know Chris very well

1:23

and consider him very close friend. And it was

1:25

great to sit down with him in New

1:27

York as we were both there for the premiere

1:30

to talk about everything that had gone into

1:32

the making of this series. Chris and

1:34

I had kind of an ongoing joke over the past few

1:36

years where we would refer

1:38

to the series limitless by another name, relentless

1:41

because it really in some ways felt like

1:43

this was never going to end. In part, Of

1:45

course, that was due to COVID. But in part,

1:47

I think it was because the creative

1:49

team behind this had such

1:51

an amazing vision for what this could be.

1:53

And frankly, the version of

1:55

limitless that you all have seen is

1:57

a significantly better version than I

1:59

think the one that was conceived back

2:01

at the beginning in twenty twenty. So

2:04

as I said, given that we were both in New York for the

2:06

premiere, we wanted to take advantage that and sit

2:08

down and talk about this. Unfortunately, time

2:10

was not completely unlimited,

2:12

and there were constraints. And so as much as

2:14

I wanted to do a really deep podcast

2:17

with Chris and talk about everything in his

2:19

life beyond limitless, we

2:21

simply didn't have the time given how much of limitless

2:23

we wanted to talk about. So in this episode,

2:25

we really just focus on limitless. The

2:27

challenges that he went through in

2:29

a variety of episodes and particularly

2:32

we talk about how they've impacted him to

2:34

this day. In addition to the conversation

2:36

with Chris, we sprinkle in a variety of

2:38

clips from limitless throughout the interview process

2:40

depending on the topics that we're covering.

2:42

While this lens, I think, to a better

2:44

watching experience of the interview, or

2:46

purposeful in choosing clips from limitless

2:48

that would add value to even those of you who are just

2:50

listening to this in audio format. And of course, if

2:52

you haven't checked out the series, I recommend you

2:55

do so. I said it can be found on Disney

2:57

plus So without further delay, please

2:59

enjoy my conversation with Chris

3:00

Hamilton.

3:06

So good to Stanley Brothers. You

3:08

too. Thanks for having me. So

3:09

much to talk about, but feel like I just

3:12

wanna start with kinda getting a sense of

3:15

the first time you heard about this. Was it a call

3:17

from Darren? Like, how did you even get involved in this

3:19

project?

3:20

Yeah. I had a call from Darren. Be

3:22

going back on three years now. He said,

3:24

I wanna do the series, a docu series.

3:27

Called limitless on longevity.

3:29

And he said, I know you're a fit healthy guy, but we

3:31

want to dive into the science and put you in

3:33

some pretty extreme intense

3:35

physical emotional situations and

3:38

see how you're fair and you can be the guinea pig

3:41

as far as the longevity science goes.

3:44

Said, why not? And initially, it was supposed

3:46

to be about AA3 week shoot. And

3:48

I know you and I have talked about this a lot once

3:51

COVID hit the show got spread out over.

3:53

Two and a half years and really

3:55

transformed in the best way

3:57

possible due to having hell

3:59

of lot more time than I think we'd first anticipated.

4:02

We're able flash out each episode, explore

4:05

the science in greater detail. I was

4:07

able to grow throughout the experience

4:09

and have different opinions on myself,

4:11

different opinions on how I approached

4:13

health and wellness. So, yeah,

4:16

I'm really proud of how it

4:18

turned out and I think was a lot

4:20

due to the time spent around to shoot on.

4:22

Kinda

4:22

going back to this. First of all, I can't believe they've

4:24

bait and switched you on three weeks of shooting

4:26

because even before COVID, I was involved

4:28

in four week issues. Yeah. So I don't know where anybody Initially,

4:30

it was soon. I was like, I can't fit that in my

4:32

schedule. That was three and then two and a

4:34

half years. And we joke about it. Right? What do we

4:36

call it relentless? We're gonna do a title change.

4:38

Limited. So

4:42

where were you in you were done Avengers

4:44

by that point? Yeah. What did I

4:46

I'd

4:46

done Avengers. I think I was doing the

4:48

press tour about the time

4:50

this came off. You hadn't done Love and

4:52

Funeral. So

4:53

I remember three years ago almost to

4:55

the day I was sitting in my apartment here in New

4:57

York with Darren, Ruth, Aerie,

5:00

you know, sort of like a core group from Nootopia

5:03

and from protozoa. And at that

5:05

point, so call it November of twenty

5:07

nineteen, they had the idea for six

5:10

episodes. It

5:11

was still a bit foggy. And

5:13

it's kind of amazing how quickly they morphed

5:15

that into that first shoot when

5:17

we started in January. Was there

5:19

anything about it that you had apprehension about doing

5:21

I mean, besides the time, obviously, time is an issue

5:24

based on your schedule. But were you

5:26

nervous, worried, anxious about

5:29

doing

5:29

this? Because this is not

5:31

acting. I

5:32

was to be honest, so I had never hosted

5:34

anything before. And it's

5:36

one thing to hide behind the

5:38

character and and behind the mask or

5:40

whatever. Individually applying in a film

5:42

setting. But then to to be yourself, you

5:44

know, I've done obviously plenty of interviews and so on,

5:46

but to be in a situation like

5:49

this where it was not

5:51

only looking into the science, but dissecting

5:53

kind of my abilities and

5:55

seeing what my limits were in in one

5:57

regard. And there's vulnerability that's

5:59

required there. Right? They had to be authentic, so

6:02

I didn't wanna hold back. But,

6:04

yeah, it was a little more of

6:06

hesitation or a lot more sort of thinking

6:08

about it is how I was going to come across

6:10

and wasn't going to be genuine, wasn't going to be

6:13

appreciated or not, or all sorts

6:15

of silly kind of doubts and questions

6:17

start to creep in that I wasn't

6:19

normally sort of thinking about. And then the

6:21

thing transformed anyway. As far as my initial,

6:23

was there any hesitation around? Taking on

6:25

the show. I didn't think any of us knew what

6:27

it was gonna be. The three or four weeks that

6:29

we'd talk about, even when you're involved,

6:31

and I spoke to Darren the last couple of

6:33

days about this, he said, yeah, it

6:35

was a very different beast at the beginning.

6:37

And due to the time, but also, I

6:39

think due to what I was willing to do, and me

6:41

and I had for it. It

6:43

was allowed to evolve

6:45

and become something bigger. And as

6:48

did the challenges, you know, the discussions about

6:50

cold water immersion and then we do wash

6:52

baths and so on. And then it was like, let's

6:54

go to Norway and let's, you know,

6:57

swimming in in the Arctic Ocean and

6:59

sort of became more and

7:01

more epic as it went on.

7:03

It

7:03

feels like you and I don't wanna

7:06

project this. So

7:07

correct me if I'm wrong. But as

7:09

I watched you because, you know, one of the things about this

7:11

that was kind of a joy is how close we became

7:13

as a group. Like, you, your team,

7:15

me, like, the whole group kind of coalesced.

7:17

It's like you seem to trust the team

7:20

even

7:20

more and more as time went on and gave more

7:22

and more of yourself. Because again, everybody

7:24

sort of got involved in this with the expectation.

7:26

This was gonna be bracketed

7:27

in terms of time and

7:30

COVID

7:30

in part, but also I just think

7:33

the breadth

7:33

of expectation of what this could be

7:35

expanded the scope so much. Do you

7:37

get the sense that you were willing to

7:39

give way more of yourself as

7:42

this thing went on that maybe you had committed

7:44

to upfront? Absolutely.

7:45

And I think due to

7:47

what you're saying about there's a trust there with the

7:49

people I was working with, I knew on

7:51

paper that these were the experts in their field and

7:53

all of you are going to take care of me and advise

7:55

me in the right way. But it's likely working

7:58

with a director. And each of

8:00

the experts and each of these series

8:02

were kind of leading the

8:04

way and they're at the helm. And I was following.

8:06

And if I have a good relationship with my director

8:08

and I trust them and that only comes through

8:10

experience and time spent, then I'm

8:12

gonna give more of myself and take

8:14

more risks and not feel like it's gonna

8:16

be exploited in any way. So

8:18

the first episode that we

8:20

filmed was the fasting one.

8:22

Look, I'm gonna do it with you.

8:24

Do you? Yeah. It makes it a lot

8:26

easier to go through this with somebody else. So Okay.

8:29

Good. Okay. We'll will suffer together. Oh,

8:32

we will. I've definitely gone

8:34

a day without food before. I

8:37

think I get pretty pretty cranky

8:39

when I missed a meal.

8:41

Certainly

8:43

detrimental to my my happiness.

8:46

It's a

8:46

pretty long time. Why why four

8:48

days? Why not? Why not

8:50

longer? I mean, what what is the

8:52

what is the benefit with four days? Why that

8:54

number? Three to four days is

8:56

probably that window at which

8:58

we do enough to

9:00

change how your body

9:02

is interacting with the

9:05

absence of nutrients to basically

9:07

do kind of a reboot on your system.

9:09

Not really. Do you think I'm gonna be able to

9:11

hold together? I can in

9:13

your experience, you see a lot of people the first

9:15

time I do it six eight. In the

9:17

next four days, there is no doubt in my mind. There

9:19

will be a period of time

9:21

in which you feel sluggish

9:23

or teas? Yeah. It's

9:26

kinda grumpy, grouchy, whatever.

9:28

But, you know, if you really stop to

9:30

think about it, this idea that we

9:32

kind of live today where we're sort of

9:34

surrounded by unlimited access to food

9:36

and we can eat three

9:38

meals and snack between them. That's a

9:40

relatively recent addition to

9:42

our species. Right. And

9:45

our ancestors would have gone days

9:47

without food, all the time and and not

9:49

only did they have to do that, they had the

9:51

ability to, in a period of

9:53

starvation, actually go out and hunt.

9:56

that

9:56

shows up third or fourth in the East Coast.

9:58

Yeah. What did you know going into that? And what

10:00

was your expectation? Just that I had never

10:02

fostered before, and I knew that

10:04

this was gonna be And I don't think you knew how

10:06

long it was going to be or anything like that. I mean, we

10:08

sort of saw that on that on you in real time

10:10

over that dinner. We did. I think the

10:12

initial discussions were around like intermittent

10:14

fasting and restricted sort of feeding

10:16

windows. And then it was like, oh, maybe we'll do

10:18

a day or a couple of days and you're like, no, we'll

10:20

do four days. And by the way, I

10:22

suggested three Yeah. I did.

10:24

And they said, no. No. We're gonna go one more. Because

10:26

I said, I wouldn't normally have a patient go more

10:28

than three days -- Yeah. -- on their first one. And

10:30

good. And they put it and they put it to

10:32

four. Yeah. I don't know. I

10:34

mean, as we've talked about many times,

10:36

my expectation or kind of thoughts

10:38

around would I be able to do it or not think

10:40

we're in line with yours. I thought, look, we're gonna commit.

10:42

We're gonna do it, but we kept discussing, you'll

10:44

kick into ketosis on day two, you know.

10:47

And maybe day three and then it comes

10:49

to like day four and I'm like, no. I'm not feeling

10:51

any of the sharpness or alertness. And

10:53

then right in the afternoon when

10:55

we went spear phishing them, probably

10:57

at the right time too. It kicked in

10:59

and things started to sort of pokeulate. I

11:01

remember saying to

11:03

Tanya, it was to Tanya. It might have been somebody else, but

11:05

I think it was to Tanya as we were

11:08

getting

11:08

ready to head out on the boat. I'm

11:10

and that was the moment when I kinda

11:12

realized how sort of strong you

11:14

were because I

11:16

felt like you didn't have that much time

11:18

to prepare for that exercise. And

11:20

it wasn't under ideal circumstances. It's one

11:22

thing to say, you're gonna do

11:23

your first fast. It's gonna be for four

11:26

days. And it was hard enough. I mean, we worked out

11:28

every day. We had a bunch of other things

11:30

that we had to do. But then learning an

11:32

entirely new skill around breath holding and

11:34

spear phishing, I mean, I think it would be challenging

11:36

under any circumstance. How much of that do you remember?

11:38

You know, it's been almost three years since we filmed that, but how much of

11:40

that do you remember? And was there ever a moment when

11:42

you thought, I'm not worried that

11:43

something's gonna happen to me, but I'm worried that I'm

11:45

not gonna be successful. That was

11:47

most of the episodes. As I'd get

11:49

to doing the Arctic swim

11:51

or doing the four day fast or

11:53

climbing the road, I kept thinking,

11:56

So don't complete this

11:58

exercise. He's not really an episode or it's pretty

12:00

anticlimactic. And so

12:02

that it was definitely healthy

12:04

amount of fear there kind of motivating

12:06

me, but also coming back to

12:08

the why of it and why we're doing it

12:10

and understanding the specific

12:12

purpose of each challenge

12:14

was on one hand the clock they were trying to kill me,

12:16

but on the other hand was like, there was an

12:18

incredible amount of information

12:20

and knowledge and support and science

12:22

there that says you do this, you do

12:24

this consistently, you work this in your daily

12:26

routine, then the benefits are

12:28

exponential. So think about Norway. We filmed

12:30

that in, I think, February. Right? We went right

12:32

from Australia. Maybe we had two weeks off and

12:34

then we're all in Norway. My recollection of

12:36

that was beauty

12:37

like I couldn't imagine. So we

12:39

were there to do this thing. It was in this place

12:41

that you would normally never go to. I feel like

12:43

we took, like, three flights together. Yeah. Yeah.

12:46

Again, Ross spoke about this a little bit last

12:48

night, which was it was another

12:50

example of you were

12:52

being asked to do something much

12:54

quicker than you would normally do

12:56

so. Right? I think you didn't What was

12:58

the first day you jumped in that

13:00

water? Because it's

13:01

different than a nice bath. Like, if you can send

13:03

a nice bath all you want. Yeah. It's totally different

13:05

experience to jump in the ocean when it's thirty six degrees

13:08

Fahrenheit. Some of the episodes I

13:10

was having to train for, specifically

13:12

probably the the strength episode.

13:14

That was on and off of the course of

13:16

six, seven months and then I had injuries

13:18

and so on. But the

13:20

cold water immersion I

13:22

mean, I did a couple of ice baths back

13:24

in some We were doing some in Australia,

13:26

back in Australia, and that was new

13:28

to me. And then I was talking to Ross about

13:30

it. And the sort of

13:32

overarching idea was that, you know, when I

13:34

was talking about developing brown fat, you know,

13:36

and we're gonna monitor that. Ross is

13:38

like, not four day. No. This is gonna

13:40

happen. And so it became as

13:42

much adaptation around

13:44

cold water immersion as much as it was sort

13:46

of a resilience test or

13:48

just a grid head down,

13:50

go for it. Because the first time we jumped

13:52

in the water in Norway, and

13:54

we're in there for four and a half minutes. Was

13:56

longer than any ice baths I've had, but it was

13:59

snowing. I'm breathing in,

14:01

you know, freezing cold

14:03

air, and it's windy. And I'm also

14:05

moving. You know, you sit in an ice bath and

14:07

there's a couple of mill of water that starts

14:09

to heat up if you stay still.

14:11

You're treading water, then none of that's

14:13

happening. So a lot of

14:15

it was trusting Ross and listening

14:17

to Ross' voice and just kind of again,

14:19

back to what he said about the trust. If I didn't

14:21

have Ross there, coaching me through it, having also

14:23

done it and even to even more extremes,

14:25

I would have questioned it to no

14:27

end. And in particular, on

14:30

that actual on the actual swim

14:32

itself halfway through, I was like,

14:33

every part of me was like, you're dying, get out

14:35

of the water. This is ridiculous. It's a plain to me

14:37

and to folks watching and listening what

14:40

it feels like because I have

14:42

never been in water that cold. I've done

14:44

long swims at about forty nine

14:46

degrees. And even at that temperature,

14:48

which seems balmy compared to thirty

14:50

six. I mean, that's a big difference. Yeah.

14:52

Right? It feels like you're on fire.

14:54

Oh, yeah. It actually feels like you're in

14:56

boiling oil, which I think most people wouldn't understand

14:58

how is that possible that you can get something so

15:00

cold and the sensation is that Attia being lit

15:02

on fire. Yeah. And then the other thing that

15:04

I think is I'm

15:05

curious to whether you felt it as well, is

15:07

the breathlessness. It starts to take

15:09

your breath away. Yeah. It definitely I mean,

15:11

I'm not I don't understand overly dramatic, but it

15:13

was one of the most painful things I've ever done.

15:16

And again, in comparison to the Ospa is

15:18

very different. The big thing was putting my head on the

15:20

water. Again, an awesome spot. Mind me, did you

15:22

have your plugs? I thought

15:24

I think I did. And

15:26

and and the other difference, by the

15:28

way. Oh, yeah. I was standing on the

15:30

shore. And all the training we've done

15:32

was treading water head above water.

15:34

And Ross is like, let's go for a proper

15:36

swim tomorrow. I was like, I'm just trying to do it, man. I'm

15:38

just saving it for the day, you know, in the afternoon when

15:40

we actually shoot it. I'm just gonna go for

15:42

it because if I experience and I think in

15:44

hindsight, if I had have experienced her pains what

15:46

it was, I would have been even more

15:48

doubtful. So I was standing on the edge and he

15:50

said, we wanna warm up as much as

15:52

possible before you get on and strip off

15:54

and dive in. And he said, and then when you

15:56

get in, just take a

15:58

second to try and adjust before you put your

16:00

head under And we did the warm

16:02

up, a walk down to the edge, and I didn't

16:04

even know if they were rolling. But I was like, I'm out of

16:06

here. I'm in the water, and I'm hoffing.

16:08

And and Ross didn't even have time to jump onto the

16:10

boat that was, you know, chasing us along.

16:12

I jumped in, just had a gun, and

16:14

the first flight I don't know,

16:16

maybe twenty five, thirty, forty

16:18

meters. I was like, got this. You know what?

16:20

I'm going, oh, I know. And I'm coming back. I'm

16:22

going to do that. And

16:24

out of nowhere, once the initial sort of

16:27

adrenaline went, I

16:29

felt the most extreme

16:32

headache, pain, right, to all through and

16:34

to the back of my eyes, and front of my head

16:36

everywhere. And III was

16:38

looking at the bottom and as I was swimming,

16:40

and I started getting really dizzy. And

16:42

I all of a sudden stopped and I was like, I'm gonna throw

16:44

up like it was that painful.

16:46

And I look and I've actually swum off

16:48

course a bit and I've started swimming toward where the

16:50

couple of the camera guys are and they're like, the boys

16:52

that way go that way. So head down

16:54

again and the whole time, I'm

16:56

just like, No. Get out. Get out. Get out. Get out.

16:58

And then I have another voice in my head. I

17:00

have Ross' voice there saying, come

17:02

on. Fight, fight, dig in. And I'll

17:04

just start going for it, but what

17:06

starts to happen is your arms and legs are just

17:08

like lead balloons. Nothing works. You

17:10

know, I felt like I was swimming

17:13

like this. A little chicken. And you can't keep your fingers together.

17:15

Sorry. Your fingers got display. You

17:17

can't hold the water. Yeah. And it's

17:19

just like it was nollie.

17:21

And then I got

17:22

to the buoy and they're all cheering and stuff.

17:25

And Darren said, I was waiting for a big

17:27

celebration. I was like, I couldn't move. I was supposed to

17:29

die. And then the jet ski pulls up. He's like,

17:31

well done mate. And I'm like, can't can't be

17:33

help me on mate? I can't lift my arms, and they're

17:35

dragging up onto it. And then the same thing would

17:37

have gone on the boat. Everyone's like cheering and like,

17:39

get out of the way. And he came in with a

17:41

blanket and a little beanie and sort of started

17:43

warming up and so on. It was

17:45

wild, but I've never felt

17:47

the endorphan kick and the

17:49

sort of elation that I felt

17:51

afterward, it it was incredible.

17:53

And I just remember that my serene

17:56

peaceful state in

17:57

awe of everything, and we are there

17:59

in

17:59

Norway. It's a much stunning backdrop.

18:03

But it's just this wonderful sense

18:05

of calm and overwhelming

18:07

sort of joy. And I think

18:09

that it comes with any time you achieve something

18:11

that you think is impossible or

18:14

overcome some great challenge or

18:16

the face of diversity or whatever you'd

18:18

overcome it. This is such a beautiful feeling.

18:20

And maybe think about people who climb

18:22

Everest and do extreme feats all the time. And the rest

18:24

of us are wondering why the hell would you do

18:26

that? I believe it's for

18:27

that that moment. That post feeling was

18:30

pretty special. And I remember a long

18:32

time. I think there's

18:33

actually something within that. It's not

18:35

just accomplishing their feet. It's the

18:38

temporal juxtaposition of being

18:40

so low and so high. Right. Right.

18:42

Like, I don't think you know, how we don't feel

18:44

speed. Like, if you're on an airplane -- Yeah. -- you

18:46

don't feel it. You feel acceleration.

18:48

In other words, we're only wired, I

18:50

think, to feel a rate of change.

18:52

And I think that's true of emotion. Like, if

18:54

you're constantly in a state of bliss, everything

18:56

is going well all the time. I don't think you

18:58

feel profound joy.

19:00

So I think the reason in part I mean, I think

19:02

there's a physiologic expectation for what you

19:04

experience. We'll talk about that in a

19:06

sec, but I think what you're also

19:08

experiencing is four minutes earlier,

19:10

I thought I was going to die. Yeah.

19:12

And even if the upper part of your

19:14

brain knew you weren't, the reptilian part of

19:16

your brain? Absolutely believed it. Yeah. You were

19:18

dead. Yep. And then four or five

19:20

minutes later, you

19:22

have this unbelievable surge

19:24

of positive emotion. I don't think

19:26

you can find a period of time. And when just

19:28

four minutes, you can go from your absolute lowest your

19:31

higher. I think that's the thing. Yeah.

19:33

That's the juice. Yeah. Absolutely. And

19:35

with no negative lasting

19:37

injury, etcetera, you know,

19:39

for sure. I mean, of all the things

19:41

in limitless, the

19:43

strength stuff, the endurance stuff,

19:45

the mental challenges, all

19:47

those things, You know, the hardest one to make

19:49

the case for this will make you live longer is go

19:51

and jump in the arctic ocean and

19:53

swim. However, I think

19:55

about the benefits of cold

19:57

water I think that is something everybody should get used

19:59

to exposing. I mean,

19:59

just this morning. Right? Like, you know, United Breakfast,

20:02

I did really quickly go up, shower, come get

20:04

over here. I still made time

20:06

to spend thirty seconds to a minute in the

20:08

ice water of the shower and the

20:10

hotel. And I love that feeling

20:12

of the first time you get into the ice water,

20:14

you feel You feel that little thing.

20:16

I mean, there is really compelling evidence at

20:18

what this does to brain chemistry. So that's the only

20:20

thing that I think you're also experiencing,

20:22

although in your swim, it

20:24

was to a much higher degree than just

20:26

taking a cold shower and ice bath. But you

20:28

were, I think, probably being flooded

20:31

with endorphins and neurotransmitters that are

20:33

very positive. Mhmm. Absolutely. And you still

20:35

do this. I mean, this is still kind of a part of your routine.

20:37

You're constantly getting a nice Yeah.

20:39

And it's probably about exactly what you're saying, like the endorphin

20:41

kick, but also every time I get in

20:43

the ice bath, whether I'm

20:45

somewhat

20:45

used to it, it's still brutal. But

20:49

the moment you get out, like you say, you've gone from

20:51

one extreme to another. So it's an instant sort

20:53

of kick of happiness. But I

20:55

find like, just from inflammation,

20:57

repair, the general mood,

20:59

if I had, you know, wake up in the morning and I'm

21:01

feeling off and I'm achy I'm

21:03

not in the space. I could have a hot shower and, like,

21:05

I'm still a bit doughy, but I jump in the

21:07

cold and completely different. It's

21:09

a game changer. So Does Elsa join you?

21:11

Do your kids join you? That one of

21:13

my kids often tries to jump in for,

21:15

you know, not not that long, but gives it a

21:17

go. Yeah. And Elsa does it too. We have

21:19

a sauna and a lost bus set up at home and

21:22

just the best rehab. I

21:23

couldn't agree more. It single best investment I've

21:25

ever made was the sauna cold

21:28

plunge home. Let's talk about strength. So,

21:31

Chris, you

21:31

obviously spend a lot of time

21:34

working on

21:34

your strength training.

21:36

What type of program do you do? I

21:39

mean, I've over the years, training

21:41

for different

21:43

roles and for Thor, in particular, was

21:45

about getting big and mass. I do shoulders

21:47

one day, arms and other

21:49

back, chest, legs.

21:51

Got it. Okay. Feel

21:54

okay? Uh-huh.

21:56

Obviously,

21:59

he's in

21:59

amazing shape. Most of us would look at and

22:02

give anything to look like that.

22:04

But

22:06

there's always

22:06

room for improvement.

22:08

There are more

22:10

than six hundred muscles in

22:12

the human body. And for

22:15

longevity, you've

22:15

got to make good use of as many

22:18

as possible. So when I

22:21

assess Chris' muscular power and

22:23

efficiency, his flexibility

22:25

and agility,

22:26

I found

22:28

he could be working a wider range

22:30

of those muscles. No. That's it.

22:33

Okay. One, that's it.

22:36

And he could improve his stamina.

22:38

I think that

22:40

was an awesome episode because

22:42

I think and this is an a great example

22:45

of where COVID really

22:47

benefited the series. Yeah. Because,

22:49

you know, the initial

22:51

challenge for

22:51

strength was kind of an interesting

22:54

challenge But I think the

22:55

one you ultimately ended up doing was better.

22:57

And my only view on this was, like, from

22:59

a scientific perspective, what can we say about

23:01

strength and longevity or fitness and longevity

23:04

and really like kind of grip strength,

23:06

cardio respiratory fitness, you know,

23:08

would be top of the list. And that's why I

23:10

think that that challenge was a

23:12

perfect challenge because it's

23:14

grip strength, it's

23:15

top end cardio respiratory

23:18

fitness. Yeah.

23:18

Initially, it was I was gonna be being a

23:20

harness and pulling a car across a

23:22

section of land. And Ross Edgel

23:24

had done that, I think, for twenty hours or

23:26

something crazy. So he was like, I'll try and

23:28

you do that. And we were doing it. And I

23:30

did, like, I did a good month, like, pulling a sled

23:33

in the backyard. I had a little

23:35

Polaris doing buggy thing that I was pulling for

23:37

a bit. And it just started like,

23:39

aggravate my back and joints and

23:41

everything. And so we transitioned then

23:44

to the rope climb. And as you say, it

23:46

was probably more on point as far as

23:48

the science around strength

23:50

and longevity. So I started

23:52

training for the rope climb. I'd never climbed the rope

23:54

before, and Ross had also done a feat like

23:56

that. so was was training me. He said to me,

23:58

look, you wanna be strong, but you don't wanna be heavy. The

24:01

heavier you are, the harder it is gonna be to get up

24:03

that road. So I had a three minute road from

24:05

my house. That's ten feet for the

24:07

American? Yeah. Ten for ten feet in my house. And I

24:09

was going kinda three quarters the way up and

24:11

just jumping off and back up and down and doing

24:13

loops like that. And one day

24:14

I jumped down, blew my ankle up,

24:16

and I ruffled all the lemons and tall

24:18

lemons. What happened by the way? Was there anything

24:20

different that day? I was rushing.

24:22

The UFC was on. Right? My mates were in the

24:24

next room, and I was in the gym where my my house set

24:27

up. I think I quit starting online. I'm just

24:29

getting in fifteen minutes, and I'm up and down. And it

24:31

must've been like, Last one, and I

24:33

just jumped off and I had a map there and I just rolled

24:35

my ankle. It just blew out. And

24:37

straightaway looked at it was blue in utopia and

24:39

all the team from that year were in

24:41

Australia and ready to shoot. I think it was next

24:43

week.

24:43

So called them up

24:44

and said, this ain't gonna happen, and then I had

24:46

a doctor have a look and I said, yeah, this is not good.

24:48

And that was the rope, that was the foot I was gonna anchor off as

24:51

I was pulling myself up. And for

24:53

folks that have seen Thor, you've

24:55

got kind of different bodies in

24:57

there I assume the biggest you were in Thor was that scene

24:59

when you were in front of Russell Crowe. Yeah. By

25:01

the way, I was that size for that

25:03

afternoon and kind of fluctuate through

25:05

the film. Obviously, picky windows and guys

25:07

have kind of, you know, where to be your

25:10

biggest. This was like I

25:12

had

25:12

been training with Ross prior

25:14

to that

25:15

quite intensely and

25:18

learned some pretty unique special

25:20

things and how to just

25:22

kind of blast the body and

25:24

do the most effective intense

25:26

workouts and when and what to eat and

25:28

so on. So I was schooled in that

25:30

more so than I'd ever been before, so I had an

25:32

opportunity to get stronger and bigger than I ever

25:34

was. But the timing of it

25:36

didn't line up with this event. And

25:38

so rest hands up and I tried to I hadn't

25:40

been using the rope at all because I'd been working and

25:42

we started doing it and I was just

25:44

heavy and I was getting like three,

25:46

four pulls up and I was just like everything

25:48

was tightening up and so on. So

25:50

we had about two weeks

25:52

where I just stopped lifting weights completely.

25:54

And it's funny. I don't know if you've ever

25:56

put on a big amount of muscle

25:58

that It doesn't

25:59

take long for your body to go. Okay. This is

26:02

where you can switch gears now. And so I

26:04

started doing a lot more right tools and

26:06

sled tools. Got down to the Blue

26:08

Mountains where we shot and there was a and what

26:10

was your weight doing during that period of time? How much

26:12

weight were you dropping? I mean, it was only

26:14

a few weeks. A little bit. But I was still gonna make an

26:16

effort to reduce your intake. Yeah. Because

26:18

you were in India two weeks Two and a half

26:20

weeks. I stopped lifting

26:22

weights. I reduced my calories

26:24

pretty dramatically. Maybe lost a couple of

26:26

kilo on it. It would have been, like, two or nine or

26:28

something, but still heavy than I should have been

26:30

for it. Yeah. And we get to the Blue Mountains and it's

26:32

the most beautiful setting and there's the

26:34

cable cut across two

26:36

mountains as a thousand foot off the

26:38

ground and we go out onto this cart

26:40

and they throw the rope out and

26:42

it's a hundred feet of the rope,

26:44

which is three, four times

26:46

longer than I've anything. I've climbed

26:48

in my training or anything. So

26:50

again, this became less

26:52

about what you've trained for this and

26:54

more about just again grit and will and

26:56

just get up there. And I just

26:58

remember Ross kind of at the top of the cart going.

27:00

Make it a fist fight. Make it a

27:02

fight. Come on big man. Stand

27:05

right with doors

27:06

opening. Get

27:08

the rug going out.

27:17

Oh,

27:17

don't look at it. So

27:20

hits

27:23

me. And all

27:25

the little voices of doubt

27:27

that

27:27

I've been pushing aside

27:30

in

27:30

my mind, started to

27:33

get

27:33

louder and louder.

27:35

I'm looking down and I'm thinking that

27:38

it's not something I fancy

27:39

doing. But I

27:41

cannot let

27:42

Chris see. Any moment of doubt in my mind

27:44

at all.

27:46

Swish

27:50

on Swish two jump. Two jump. Yeah. That's

27:52

good. Very good.

28:00

We're

28:09

So

28:12

I'm

28:17

getting winched down. And

28:20

it

28:20

feels a lot longer than a hundred

28:23

feet. I

28:25

don't want to look back up because

28:28

I'm like, this is so much further

28:30

than I've ever climbed. How

28:32

long did it

28:33

actually take start to finish?

28:36

Probably,

28:36

I don't know,

28:37

probably a couple of minutes. It's a long time

28:39

to be, you know, to the harness that will catch me

28:41

if I fall, but none of it is helping me

28:43

up the road. I was surprised was fun. They're

28:46

most gnarly things. More than your hands, more

28:48

than your forearms, both the biceps

28:50

and forearms. I mean, when I got

28:52

off, I had, like, claws.

28:54

I couldn't extend my fingers that were locked,

28:56

but my quads and especially my right leg kind of

28:58

doing the push of the anchor. So how

29:00

do you feel physically now

29:03

from a strength perspective in

29:05

terms of, like, how this is kind of more if you're

29:07

training a little bit.

29:08

I feel it's it's

29:10

more specific, much running now. You know, I

29:12

used to just sort of go in. Let's still do to

29:14

it to an extent, like, and just start

29:16

throwing weights around and go I get

29:18

biceps, you know, I go back and I get chest and shoulders and

29:20

just as heavy as I could as much as I

29:22

could. And when I was a bit younger, I could get

29:24

away with doing that. And then

29:26

Now it's like, oh, jeez. I'm just not worn that

29:29

properly or, you know, you're kinda hitting everything

29:31

too many times. And so just being

29:33

smart about the training and that came from work

29:35

with Ross by trying to look zockey as

29:37

well. He just targeted much

29:39

more targeted approach. He

29:41

has really

29:42

interesting intense ways to work out

29:44

though. It's everything is about sort of

29:47

explosive energy, like

29:49

light up your was it your

29:51

parasympathetic

29:51

nervous system and

29:53

just switch on. Simparate pro. Sorry. Simparate.

29:55

Yeah. And fire up and just explosive

29:57

up and then slow negatives.

30:00

That might dramatic differences. I got formal

30:02

guidance than than I had previously trying like that. Now

30:04

you actually I don't think I've told you this by the way, but,

30:06

you know, in the process of kind of going through a lot of your

30:08

genetic stuff, which we're doing now.

30:10

Talk about this in a second. of doing this, you know, we actually

30:12

have found that you have a very

30:14

favorable gene around

30:17

muscle fibers. Of the yeah. Yeah.

30:19

Yeah. So I think that we'll talk a second

30:21

about kind of like a gene you have that we wish we

30:23

could erase. But on the flip side, you got

30:25

a pretty favorable gene around

30:27

fast twitch muscle fibers. You know, you sort of

30:29

have a genetic predisposition

30:31

to be muscular and to be strong

30:33

and to be explosive. I was

30:35

lean when I was younger, but as soon as I started even when

30:37

I was playing forty, you know, I was seventeen

30:40

doing more push ups where I would grow. I've

30:42

always had to work my ass off in that

30:44

space, but Yeah. I do

30:46

feel I've had some benefits

30:48

there. It's a great variant of a

30:50

gene to have as you age because one of

30:52

the hallmarks of aging is

30:54

actually atrophy shrinkage of these fast

30:56

twitch muscle fibers. Mhmm. So slinkage in

30:59

Norway, definitely. Yeah. Attia different

31:01

time, but yes. Yes. Yes.

31:03

So as we these slow twitch muscle fibers

31:05

are shrinking and everybody, and that's

31:07

why people are losing strength

31:11

and power and explosiveness most

31:13

rapidly as they age. Much more than they

31:15

are losing endurance, slow fiber. So,

31:18

you know, one of the things we always talk about their patients

31:20

is, hey, we need you lifting weights

31:22

all the time. You start early and

31:24

you never stop lifting weights and the

31:26

heaviest you can lift is the better because it's only

31:28

through lifting heavy weights that you can really get

31:30

those fast twitch type two muscle

31:33

fibers firing. The fact

31:35

that you kind of have a genetic predisposition to

31:37

have more of them is a good

31:39

thing, which then brings us to kind

31:41

of like some of the other stuff we talked about So

31:43

one of my earliest memories of this

31:45

whole experience

31:46

was in December of twenty

31:48

nineteen. We took advantage of the fact that you were

31:50

in LA to get

31:51

some blood work done. And, you

31:53

know, Darren said, look, here's the deal. You and

31:55

Chris

31:55

are gonna sit down in January

31:58

in Australia to kick off the first bit

31:59

of shooting. And I want you to walk

32:02

Chris through his blood work just as you would

32:04

do with a patient the very first time.

32:06

And I said, okay, great. I get the blood

32:08

test back. About two weeks before I'm supposed to go out

32:10

to Australia, and I see something in it that I'm

32:12

I say, Darren, I

32:13

can't walk him through this for the first time

32:16

on camera. That's

32:16

not fair to him. I mean, I know that

32:19

that's what sort of the drama is. Yeah. But

32:21

this is a bit too much. But I can't

32:23

tell you, Darren, what it is.

32:25

Mhmm. So without telling you you need to

32:27

trust me that this can't be done on camera for

32:29

the first time. This one thing -- Yeah. -- you can do

32:31

the whole lab. This one thing. So I asked him to

32:33

sort of trust me, and he did. And then we connected.

32:36

So he called me first. Yeah. He

32:38

called me in

32:38

a panic and was like, you've got to call Peter or

32:40

Tear, something's come up, and

32:42

but I don't know what it is. And I was like, oh, god.

32:45

Why not this? How long have I

32:47

got left? What's that? And so I was

32:49

kinda rattled before we

32:51

even got in the fun.

32:53

So we did sort of

32:55

the million dollar work up on you. We've got

32:57

every blood test one can get and I've

33:00

looked at every gene in your body six ways

33:02

to Sunday. And

33:04

overall, your labs look

33:06

fantastic. And I think looking at you from

33:08

the outside, it's clear how

33:10

much you take care of yourself, but

33:12

we did find a couple of things that are

33:14

a cause for concern.

33:15

Right. Some of

33:17

the genetic testing that we

33:19

did looked at a gene for

33:21

a protein called APO E.

33:24

You have a very rare combination,

33:27

which is you have two copies of

33:29

APO E4A

33:31

set from your mom and a set from your dad. And

33:34

what does that mean exactly? That

33:36

means you have an increased risk

33:38

of Alzheimer's disease. How

33:44

much oil? Probably

33:46

somewhere between eight and

33:48

ten times higher that of someone in the general

33:51

population. You know what?

33:54

Okay. You

33:56

know you're I

33:58

don't know. You're constantly thinking you're gonna live

33:59

forever, forever especially as

34:01

a young individual. And

34:03

then to all of a sudden be told, oh, this may

34:05

be the thing that might

34:07

take you out was like, whoa. Kinda applaud me

34:10

for floored me from it

34:12

a minute. You

34:14

know, it's hard

34:15

to imagine, but

34:18

it's my belief

34:20

that

34:20

if we take every step

34:24

possible, we can reduce your

34:26

risk to that of anyone

34:28

else. Mhmm. Sure.

34:30

In fact, I don't think you you'll me I I you

34:32

in time. You having

34:34

this gene is probably a blessing.

34:37

Because of the motivation that will get into. Yeah. It's this

34:40

is going to motivate you to

34:42

take steps today that most people

34:45

your age would never think about

34:47

until there's your or Sure. I hadn't

34:50

had too many patients that

34:51

had this combination of APO

34:53

E44

34:56

It's not a very common genotype. It's only about one percent of the

34:58

population. So probably only at that time had

35:00

maybe three patients that had

35:03

it. And truthfully, two

35:05

of the three of them kind

35:08

of suspected it before the blood

35:10

test based on their family history. Yeah.

35:12

In one case, about old

35:14

woman total shocker.

35:17

And

35:17

so I remember

35:19

just sort of trying to say,

35:21

look, this is a gene that really increases risk of

35:24

Alzheimer's disease, but it's not a

35:26

deterministic gene. And that's I

35:28

think just

35:30

something someone like me can take for granted because I'm sort of in this space. I understand

35:32

that, but I think that's a that's a hard concept

35:34

to explain to somebody who doesn't eat,

35:36

sleep, and breathe genetics, which is

35:39

you have this gene and it doesn't guarantee this

35:42

thing is going to happen. And there are some genes that do,

35:44

by the way, there are certain genes that if you have

35:46

the gene. If the gene

35:48

for Huntington's disease, you're gonna get Huntington's disease. This isn't that kind of

35:50

gene, but it's increasing your

35:52

odds. And that's the

35:54

bad news. And

35:56

then the good news is the earlier

35:58

you know this, the more you

35:59

can do to

36:02

mitigate risk. That

36:03

was my message. But what did you hear? I mean, how much

36:05

do you think back to that? Again, I I

36:07

knew nothing about the science or the sort

36:09

of the moccas and so on. Outside

36:11

of that one conversation. And so I hung up and

36:13

I was trying to explain it to my wife

36:16

and I was like,

36:17

yeah, I'm not really

36:18

sure what he just said, but I think, you know, I'm

36:20

more vulnerable to Alzheimer's. And

36:22

then we had another conversation And

36:25

I wish we'd had more conversations immediately

36:28

after because I did spend sort of a week

36:30

going, what does this mean? What's going to happen?

36:32

And how long have

36:34

I forgotten? I'm trying to talk to my parents about it, and they didn't know much about it

36:36

either. My grandfather, the house

36:38

of Adamis, and Steve, I've been very

36:40

tragic to

36:42

watch. And So they were aware of it, but didn't know in any great detail about the

36:44

gene combination we're talking about. But

36:46

as you say, it was just a a

36:48

good sort of kick in the ass and a

36:50

reminder to you do

36:52

what I can, whatever is it within

36:54

my control and within my power to

36:56

give myself the best fighting chance.

36:58

And, you know, whatever work I'm doing

37:01

for brine health benefits the rest of my body and the

37:03

rest of my life anyway. So we turned

37:05

it into a into a positive. You

37:07

know, one of the things that was sort of interesting about

37:09

filming this is obviously came out,

37:11

we filmed it, and we did everything in

37:14

duplicate for those episodes. We

37:16

did everything. We talked about all of this, and we went through

37:18

all this stuff. And then, of course, It was also done,

37:20

which is, hey, there's a really good chance that we're

37:22

not gonna wanna talk about this particular

37:24

aspect of Chris' health publicly. So

37:26

let's redo that whole thing, but without

37:28

that. Yeah. And

37:30

I

37:30

think for about two years, it was

37:32

we didn't know which version of this was gonna happen.

37:34

Obviously, the decision was a hundred percent

37:36

yours. When and why did you

37:38

decide that you wanted to be public

37:41

with something so personal? Once

37:42

I understood

37:44

more about

37:45

it, but also Well,

37:47

the same reason, it's motivated me

37:49

to make positive changes. I thought, well, that's

37:51

a great opportunity for anyone else out there who

37:53

may be in the same situation. To either go and get

37:56

checked or to understand more about brain

37:58

health and see what they have within their

37:59

power to make that change. So I

38:02

thought,

38:02

i thought out I would say, I

38:04

don't know. It's a missed opportunity to motivate others

38:06

to do

38:06

the same if I don't talk about

38:08

it. And then they cut to get two versions

38:11

of the episode and the other one

38:13

was just and I fell flat, you know. So Attia had and

38:15

there was no overdramatized or exploit

38:17

or anything. I think what they did to

38:19

Gretel about was it just became relatable. It became and

38:21

this is what most of the series was late. Look, you said,

38:24

humor being, like, you or I and,

38:26

you know, this

38:28

sort of superhero costume aside. This is an

38:30

individual who has many the same

38:32

challenges and is up

38:34

against the same things that all of

38:36

us. So

38:38

even though you have two copies of the APOE4 gene, which is a very

38:41

rare combination, you know, twenty percent to twenty

38:43

five percent of the population has at least one

38:45

copy of the E4 gene And

38:48

even though that doesn't increase their risk as much as the increase that

38:50

you experience, it still does. In fact,

38:52

even though it's only twenty percent twenty five percent

38:54

of population that has that gene that

38:57

group of people makes up about two thirds of

38:59

cases of Alzheimer's disease. So I do

39:01

think I applaud you for doing it and I'm really glad

39:03

you did decide to do this

39:06

because I I've always said I really wish every single person would know their

39:08

APOE genotype early in life. And there's

39:10

a lot of resistance in the medical community to this

39:12

truthfully. There are a lot of physicians who would say,

39:14

look, no one should know that. There's nothing that can be

39:16

done about it. Why would you burden somebody with that

39:18

knowledge? Yeah. And people like me and

39:20

Richard Isaacson, Kellyanne, you know, as you

39:22

know, people I work with, I mean, we

39:24

fundamentally disagree with that, Chris. We think that

39:26

is complete nonsense, and we think that this is

39:28

absolutely a condition through

39:30

which you have

39:32

an enormous lever arm to mitigate risk. If that's true,

39:34

which I wholeheartedly believe it

39:36

is, then not knowing that

39:38

information early is

39:40

criminal. Yep. And also as saying

39:42

that whatever I do in

39:44

regards to protection and arming

39:46

myself with the sort of tools to get

39:49

have the best chance, benefits

39:51

everything else anyway. You know, we talked

39:53

about reducing stress levels, more

39:56

mindfulness practices. There's certain training

39:58

I do, nutrition, my

40:00

sleep habits. All those things made a dramatic difference in every other part of my life

40:02

too. So, you know, one of the things that I was talking

40:04

about is Sona. But

40:06

I paid us convinced that regular

40:08

Sona can boost long

40:10

term health. You know, now that

40:12

we just got in here, Chris, let's let's

40:14

take your pulse. Her eyes.

40:19

Yeah. You're about sixty four beats per

40:22

minute, but we've got this

40:24

temperature cranked up to about hundred and

40:26

ninety five degree. In fact, fahrenheit.

40:28

So let's see where you are

40:30

in a couple of minutes. I guess I gotta

40:32

get used to this hate. Yeah.

40:34

We're uncomfortable right now because we're

40:37

hot. And in response to that, our

40:39

body is trying to cool us off.

40:41

Yeah. And so it's pumping harder so that

40:43

your heart can quickly get the blood

40:46

to the outside of your body. And just as

40:48

exercise is known to help with

40:50

cardiovascular disease, I think SONNA has a

40:52

number of those

40:53

benefits as well. How much of a fan were you

40:55

of Sona before we shot that series in

40:58

Norway? And then really kind of got into the

41:00

science of

41:02

why it's likely. It hasn't

41:04

been proven yet to the same extent that some things

41:06

have because so much of the data is

41:08

observational, but so overwhelmingly positive

41:10

in the same direction with every single study. I think we're confident

41:12

it is. I know you've always enjoyed it,

41:14

but has that taken on kind of a more urgent

41:16

-- Yeah. Definitely. -- and definitely during

41:18

having shot the show, it's

41:21

my or it's become a bigger part of my

41:23

daily routine often after a

41:26

workout. And again, I don't know what the

41:28

science says, but I know I feel great

41:30

after doing same with the nice bath. And so if sort of mood elavosem the

41:32

only thing, then if I'm all about it. I

41:34

would say even if the emphasis and

41:36

the benefit of the heat shock proteins is less

41:38

than what we think I

41:40

agree with you. I think just the psychological benefit and the sleep benefit. I

41:43

mean, I but the difference in my sleep between

41:45

when I saw not and when

41:48

I don't, is so noticeable that then again, are we gonna

41:50

question the benefits of sleep? I don't think

41:52

so. There is no doubt if I've been

41:54

training a

41:56

lot I wake up achy in particular, you know, I've had issues going

41:58

back over the years. If I wake up

42:00

and

42:00

I'd get in the sauna in the morning,

42:03

and I do a nice bath or either or I

42:05

feel fifty, sixty percent better. You know,

42:07

that's the thing you're lying better or not. You're in,

42:09

you know, a position and everything

42:12

starts to kinda I don't know

42:14

lies dormant and becomes

42:16

I don't know. There's there's no fluidity there. You know

42:18

what I mean? You wake up and you're stiff and sore. And then

42:20

you get into one of those spaces, the hot the

42:23

cold all the hot and instantly, I feel like everything's just

42:25

kind of lit up in a wagon.

42:27

So when we think about kind of

42:29

the last episode, which is the one that

42:31

we saw in the premiere, we

42:33

were

42:33

talking about this over breakfast today, but

42:35

that

42:35

episode maybe more than any other,

42:38

really reaped the

42:40

benefit of COVID. Mhmm. Because it had so much

42:41

more time to flush out. You know, when I think

42:43

about what the first

42:44

version of the final episode was

42:47

supposed to look like if this was kind of blasted through in twenty

42:49

twenty. I won't restate what that episode was supposed to be, but

42:52

it was kind of gimmicky. I didn't think it would've worked.

42:54

And then what it became

42:56

is unbelievable. Your mind, how was the

42:58

evolution of that episode? Did you have much of a hand in

43:00

the creative side of that, or were you kind of just a

43:02

passenger? No. I was a

43:04

passenger and I was kept in the dock. Intentionally.

43:06

Darren didn't want me to know much about it. It

43:08

was an immersive

43:09

theater experience. And

43:12

I'm glad I didn't know

43:13

because I feel like I would've had preconceived

43:16

ideas and then expectations and couldn't

43:18

have helped acting a certain way or reacting a

43:20

certain way based on that. So to

43:22

go into it blind and just open and ready for

43:25

whatever they were gonna throw at me

43:27

or throw me into was was

43:29

exciting and different to the other episodes. Everything else was

43:32

about being prepped in some way and

43:34

learning and understanding some of the

43:36

science prior to shooting,

43:38

whereas this It

43:39

was about all I knew was it was about acceptance of

43:42

death. All I've been told

43:42

is that I'm about to jump forward

43:45

fifty years into the future

43:48

and spend the next three days

43:50

living the life of an octogenarian.

43:59

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44:06

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44:08

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44:08

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44:11

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44:13

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44:16

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44:18

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44:20

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44:22

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44:25

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44:27

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44:28

Ready? My

44:31

old man? That's a

44:32

nice I mean, ask me

44:35

three days

44:35

time, buddy. What did

44:37

that suit feel like? Just

44:39

uncomfortable, incredibly restrictive.

44:42

And I talked

44:44

about this in the episode, the

44:46

way people then spoke to

44:48

me because I knew I couldn't hear

44:50

properly and, you know, there was some of this condescending sort of patronizing tone of,

44:52

you know, how you hear people and some

44:54

of the time talk to elderly, you

44:58

know. It may be immediately going, oh my god. I'm I hope I don't do

45:00

that. But, incredibly oscillating

45:02

to, you know, visions diminished

45:04

and you as I said, you

45:08

can't hear. Restricted to everything is has

45:10

been pulled away all the sort of

45:12

your abilities that were there the

45:14

hour before I put it on.

45:17

And also not having fifty years to

45:19

transition into that. Again, one extent to the other

45:21

in the opposite direction to what we told them

45:23

before. If there's so many things about that

45:25

episode that are beyond

45:26

beautiful. One of them, to me, it's just a very subtle thing is that all

45:28

of the residents of that place were not

45:32

actors. And what was it like kind of

45:34

interacting with them? Because, you know, you

45:36

watched the episode. It's like a, you know, oh,

45:38

slightly over an hour long episode, but I

45:40

assume shooting it was days. A

45:42

minimum three days. Three days. Yeah. So you have a

45:44

lot of time on that set. I reckon some

45:46

of those folks didn't necessarily know who you

45:48

were prior to being able to be

45:50

honest. Yeah. Which must have been a great

45:52

relief, wasn't it? It was. It was really nice. It was unique and different

45:54

on so many levels that episode.

45:57

But to be

45:58

in a retirement

46:00

village with elderly folks

46:02

who were there for the fun

46:04

of the episode, but were just

46:06

genuine and truthful and honest and didn't

46:09

hold back with anything that was thinking

46:11

and sort of the no filter

46:13

approach to things

46:16

was it was it

46:16

was refreshing. You know, I think being in that sort

46:19

of industry where a lot of people do know who

46:21

you are Attia

46:21

lot of the time you're sort of supporting what you're

46:23

doing and everything's kinda tried

46:25

to be made or be accommodating as

46:28

possible. That was like, now

46:29

you're one of us now. It was

46:31

fantastic to

46:31

have brought me straight back

46:34

to If I drifted frequently.

46:36

Having known you for many years,

46:37

you're pretty down to earth, but

46:39

I still think that that must

46:41

have been even another level because you're

46:43

so

46:43

far out of your comfort zone. Mhmm.

46:45

This wasn't

46:46

there's no superhero component to

46:48

this. No. I was

46:49

a lot more nervous about an episode than anything else

46:51

because it wasn't something I could

46:54

fight or muscle through or just put my head

46:56

down, grit my teeth and go for it. to

46:58

be completely open and

47:00

vulnerable and accessible

47:03

and confront things that I

47:05

had never really thought about that

47:07

much. And interacts with people

47:09

who were at the end

47:11

of their

47:11

days or who had dealt with

47:13

death in very extreme

47:16

ways or come close to

47:18

death. And so to

47:20

go from sort of one

47:22

environment of physical sort of

47:24

challenge and defeats and then go into this

47:26

emotional state. With a real

47:28

shock and an adjustment.

47:29

I'm so proud of what the episode

47:32

is and became because it it's unlike

47:34

anything I've certainly never done, but unlike anything

47:36

I think, I've seen before in the Talkspace. There were

47:38

several moments that really

47:38

stood out to me. I'm guessing you

47:41

didn't know BJ Miller's story before

47:43

that episode. No, I

47:46

didn't. Because it came across as really genuine when

47:48

you're hearing it for the first time on camera. It looked

47:50

to me as though that was the first time you were hearing.

47:53

So it was Do you recall that felt like? Because it seemed like

47:55

you got quite emotional. I'm curious as to

47:57

what was more emotional. Was it

47:59

the tragedy

48:00

of his story or

48:02

was it more how moved you were by his resilience and

48:05

how he overcame it to

48:07

do what he's doing?

48:08

do what he's doing

48:10

Combination

48:10

of things. He's one of the most unique individuals

48:12

I've ever met. This is something saintly

48:15

and other worldly about him

48:17

is such a beautiful individual. Certainly

48:20

his story shook me and also the

48:24

strength now that which he reflects upon

48:26

it and his attitude toward what

48:28

happened to him. Was

48:30

so inspiring.

48:31

It made me you know,

48:33

I was in a I was

48:35

really exhausted coming into that episode. I was

48:37

at the end of felt

48:39

like a five year run of different films and work, and we were

48:41

shooting this series throughout.

48:44

And

48:44

I think I was more vulnerable than

48:46

I'd been in a long time out of

48:48

exhaustion, but also out of the questions that were starting to circulate

48:50

through my head. And a lot

48:52

of them were to do with you

48:55

know, this point in

48:57

my life and am I

48:59

proud of what I've done?

49:01

Am I what's next? And

49:04

all I kept thinking was I have

49:06

been sprinting through life in

49:08

the moments and opportunities,

49:10

and

49:10

I'm grateful for them, but

49:12

I've

49:12

been very quickly going to the next one to the next one, the next one.

49:14

And I was in a bit of a

49:17

state of what's next, and

49:19

what's the point and who am I and all of these kind

49:22

of questions that I hadn't sort

49:24

of been able to analyze,

49:26

but were there in the back of

49:28

my head. And

49:29

my mom had said something to me a

49:31

few days before that she'd have

49:33

this

49:33

experience where she came pretty close to what she thought

49:36

was gonna be her death. In a very instance

49:38

at a moment, and she's fine now.

49:40

But said, oh, you know, I wasn't at all

49:42

afraid to go because I realized

49:44

I'm so thankful for my

49:46

life and I'm so happy that everything I've

49:48

had and all the experiences I

49:50

have. And

49:50

I thought, well, what a beautiful feeling

49:52

And

49:52

then in that moment, I think I was talking to BJ and I

49:54

got really emotional because I

49:58

realized that Attia just

49:59

want I'm

49:59

not ready yet. You know, I have all these

50:02

beautiful things around me and family and friends, but

50:04

I can't go yet. This is not this

50:06

is not my time and it was strange because

50:08

we're manipulating

50:10

everything in that space to make me feel like

50:12

I'm gonna die. I'm a master.

50:15

Think about my death, how I would want it to

50:17

be and so on. But I had this this

50:19

sort of sense of urgency of just

50:21

I'm not ready and and maybe think

50:23

about my kids for now. They're growing up and

50:26

things are changing so dramatically. And

50:28

like, I wanna shit. I wanna I wanna

50:30

soak it in. I don't wanna be in a

50:32

sprint anymore. I wanna be more present. I wanna be right here and appreciate everything

50:34

that's in front of me. And again, I it

50:36

I've tried to articulate that a few times

50:38

Attia and I feel I

50:41

don't know if I hit the nail on the

50:43

head is exactly why it's something

50:44

in me sort of

50:48

fragile at that point. That whole

50:50

experience shook me to my

50:52

core and

50:54

made made me me

50:56

wanna slow down and just race home to my family and

50:58

my kids and not jump on another plane

51:00

and travel and work and do anything else,

51:02

you know, in the best way.

51:04

I think the

51:06

time when you

51:07

were sitting on the bench next

51:09

to Natalie was sort of equally profound.

51:11

At least it appeared that way

51:13

as an observer. I assume it's the same. You weren't aware of Natalie's

51:15

story, and you're probably sitting there thinking, why are they

51:18

having me sit and talk to a twenty seven year

51:20

old, very normal, healthy appearing

51:22

woman. Yeah. Definitely,

51:24

again, what she said in particular

51:26

was there's an urgency from her to

51:28

shake people and say wake up, it

51:31

doesn't last forever. The end could come

51:33

at any moment so I like the most of

51:35

it and love and laugh and live

51:37

with a sense of

51:39

gratitude and joy incredibly

51:41

inspiring and heartbreaking

51:44

hearing what she's been facing at

51:46

such a young age too.

51:48

And

51:48

i'm really thankful I'm really thankful that

51:50

I had those conversations and I was forced to think this way

51:52

and had this realization now

51:54

not when I'm eighty. You know,

51:57

I'm glad I'm not sitting

51:58

on my death bed going, ah, damn, I should

51:59

have done this. I could have done this.

52:02

I finally have done that. So I

52:04

feel like this is

52:06

sort of and awakening or sort of shakeup or whatever you wanna call

52:08

it came at the perfect time for

52:10

me. You and I talked about this last

52:11

month, I

52:14

think, but you haven't had more than two months off in about ten

52:16

years. Right? Yeah. Pretty much. Yeah.

52:18

Did you know during COVID, but even then I was

52:20

still working on

52:22

prepping things how do you

52:24

reconcile the fact that you

52:25

work so hard and you've been so

52:28

successful? And

52:28

with that success has so many

52:30

wonderful things. You've got wealth, you've got fame, you've got

52:33

a platform. Right? We're sitting here talking about

52:35

more people

52:35

are gonna know what the APO E4 gene

52:37

is and why they need to be tested and what they

52:39

can do about it. Because of this episode,

52:41

because of this series than anything else that would have ever come out

52:43

of the scientific literature ever. And all of

52:45

that is attributed to the fact that you have

52:47

a platform to do this. So

52:50

there's all of these amazing things, both to you personally and

52:52

to society at large that come from Attia.

52:54

But at the same time,

52:56

that's not sustained. Mhmm.

52:58

You once

52:59

told me a story about something your daughter said

53:01

when you kind of half

53:03

jokingly suggested to her you might retire. Mhmm.

53:05

Do you remember what that was? I was they're

53:07

talking to

53:08

her and I've done

53:09

I feel like I've been doing for a long time in my kids. I'm like, you

53:11

know, every time I left to go on another trip, I'm like,

53:13

to work, I'm like, it's not long. You know, I'm just soon,

53:15

I'm gonna take some

53:18

downtime and I think, you know, my daughter's gonna rolls her eyes at times these days and

53:20

says, yeah. Sure. And then this time, I said,

53:22

look, you know, when I've done with this

53:24

tour, I'm having a big chunk of time at

53:26

home and years, hi, great.

53:28

Awesome. It'd be fun. And and I said, yeah. And

53:30

they got us retired. Maybe maybe this is it. Maybe I'll

53:32

tell him with you forever now. And she's

53:34

like, no, dad,

53:36

you can't. And I was like, why? She goes, kids love seeing you play

53:38

for. And it was this

53:40

beautiful kind of moment of

53:42

like, oh, yeah.

53:43

Maybe it does there

53:45

is a purpose to it. You know, I think for me,

53:47

it's I've been chasing my career and been

53:49

doing it for a number

53:51

of reasons, but you know, it's been

53:53

there's sense of sort of guilt that comes with that of

53:56

sort of chasing down my dreams all the

53:58

time. And when you have

54:00

kids, it's not

54:02

about your dreams anymore. It's about theirs. And I have a family to

54:04

take care of. And I was really sort of

54:06

questioning kind of what I've contributed, though,

54:10

done. And hearing her side, that was like

54:12

a, you

54:12

know, beautiful little moment. And

54:16

so I

54:17

I don't wanna retire and, you know,

54:19

for a number of reasons, but I

54:21

certainly wanna replenish and, you

54:24

know, fill up my cup again. I feel

54:26

like it's it's

54:27

just been sort of flat stick for

54:29

so long now. And I loved it

54:31

and I'm very thankful for it, but I need to have

54:33

a chunk of time at home now and sort

54:35

of Yeah. Get reinstall it, I guess. How is

54:37

your sleep

54:38

now compared to three years ago?

54:40

You had a very

54:41

restless mind. You would wake up a lot in the

54:43

middle of the night. And you'd have

54:45

a thought you'd on it. And sometimes it was a

54:47

very

54:47

rational thought, like, I'm worried about

54:49

the success of

54:52

this film. I'm worried about my relationship with my wife. I'm worried about, like, these

54:54

were all very normal things to be concerned

54:56

with, but they would wake you up. And you wouldn't

54:58

be able to go back to sleep.

55:01

And then sometimes, they were things that

55:03

maybe seemed less rational, which by the way,

55:05

I'm not being critical of you because I'm not one

55:07

of us. No. No. Most areas are rational. Thoughts.

55:09

It's mostly irrational.

55:13

Stress.

55:14

It definitely affects more sleep.

55:16

And this is going back a few years, you know. This is not

55:18

such a big issue these days, but

55:20

my chance not true.

55:23

It is. Yeah.

55:24

Like, I'll go to

55:27

sleep fine and then

55:29

a two thirty This

55:32

is a shot of adrenaline, and my brain will just

55:34

start going through a checklist of things. Let's be like, does

55:36

that bother me? Does that bother me? Or that

55:37

one? Yeah. Good. Let's think about

55:39

that. Let's share

55:41

that a part.

55:42

We can get nervous

55:44

a bit now.

55:45

A little wider than

55:48

Notion.

55:53

So

55:58

sometimes I don't even know

56:00

why, and I wish

56:00

I could deal with that stress better.

56:06

Just got

56:08

a whole

56:08

lot real estate. Not just

56:10

because it sucks. Okay.

56:14

But also, it could

56:16

be killing me. How

56:18

has that changed? And

56:19

has this series given you a

56:21

different perspective on anything that has

56:24

given you

56:26

more peace? I think,

56:26

generally, I'm sleeping better than than I was back then.

56:28

I think just running in

56:29

a a state of fight or

56:31

flight constantly. But

56:33

that was required for me to leave Australia

56:36

with, you know, not a whole lot of money in the

56:38

bank and live on people's couches and

56:40

audition and audition and go

56:42

through that grind and

56:44

be told now a million times and still, you know, obsessively be pushing forward

56:48

requires

56:48

a huge amount of

56:51

composive, obsessive sort of self

56:54

motivated drive. And then

56:56

the problem is you then start to achieve

56:58

those things and I'm no

57:00

longer in the same sort of

57:02

fight that I was, but I'm

57:04

still

57:04

acting like my internal sort of

57:06

environment. Is still thinking it's,

57:08

you know, running away from the donuts or whatever. You

57:10

know, it got us back to sort of to sort

57:13

of ancestral, you know, make

57:15

up. And so the more comfortable I get,

57:17

the more I sort of rationally talk

57:19

myself through, hey, it's all okay now, you know, like, you

57:21

can afford to do this and this and this and you don't

57:24

have to you worry so

57:26

much about it, not working

57:28

out. Some

57:28

of that dissipates, but it's

57:30

there all the time. I'd be lying

57:32

if I said that I had a complete handle

57:34

on it. But again,

57:35

I don't wanna kinda dismiss it

57:36

too much because it's what got me

57:38

here. And it's a tool that I

57:40

will still need to use at certain times.

57:44

It's just monitoring that. And I hear a lot of people talk about that,

57:46

people in the sort of friends of

57:48

mine, sports players and so on with

57:52

that what's required to get them to that place. It's a blessing and

57:54

a curse. And it's a hard

57:56

thing to switch on a switch off, sorry, once

57:58

you once you open

57:59

the gates. Yeah,

58:01

I think that's a very common thread

58:03

for people who have achieved

58:05

great success. And when you think about

58:07

your motivation, right, when you think about

58:09

the love you have for your craft, is

58:12

there a way to

58:14

use excitement more

58:15

than fear? Like, I

58:17

think back to, you know, your beginning as you

58:19

talked about. You've spoken a lot about, and I think you

58:21

even did in some of the episodes, you spoke about

58:23

how one day you found out your father

58:25

wasn't gonna be paying off mortgage anytime soon. Like, you sort of had this

58:28

realization of the fact that your

58:30

parents have done so much for you and your

58:32

brothers with the means that

58:34

they had. But you wanted more

58:36

for them. So part of your fuel for

58:38

success was like, I wanna take care of my family as

58:40

well. Not just the kids that I'm going to have -- Mhmm. --

58:42

which you didn't yet have, but these people who you

58:44

love so much. And there's a bit of

58:46

fear in that. There's a bit of -- Sure. -- like do or

58:48

die. But at the same time,

58:50

there's also a real

58:51

passion you have for what you do.

58:53

In other words,

58:53

you're an artist. And so artists enjoy making

58:56

art. Is it

58:56

about shifting the balance of what's the

58:59

fire? Like, where's the fire coming Is the fire

59:01

coming from a place of fear? Is the fire coming from a place of love? I mean, do those go

59:03

back and forth for you from time to time

59:05

in a different season? No. I used

59:07

to get very intense performance

59:10

anxiety when I was first acting.

59:12

And it was debilitating. I would

59:14

go to auditions and I'd wanna throw up,

59:16

but it'd be shaking. And then even when I

59:18

got jobs, and I don't know how I was

59:20

getting jobs based on how nervous I wasn't

59:22

as auditioned, but I was then being upset

59:24

and it was like, I

59:26

couldn't think or see, and I thought I was gonna pass

59:28

out, like and I had was

59:29

fighting that for years.

59:32

And and you

59:32

talk about fear of excitement. And

59:34

I remember reading something that took

59:37

a series of tests with

59:39

athletes, performers, musicians,

59:42

actors, whatever, anyone in a sort

59:44

of

59:44

adrenaline fueled sort of

59:46

space. And they said, okay. Before the event, are you nervous or

59:48

excited? And some of them said they were scared

59:50

out of their minds. Some of them said they

59:54

were pumped. The interesting thing was they all had the same physical response --

59:56

Yeah. -- elevated heart, pulse,

59:58

etcetera. Climbing hands, short

1:00:00

of

1:00:00

breath, the

1:00:02

only difference was how they labeled that feeling. And so

1:00:04

for me, that was a real light

1:00:05

bulb moment. And I thought,

1:00:07

oh, okay.

1:00:09

So when

1:00:11

this feeling comes out, that's walk under set. I programmed myself

1:00:13

to say, oh, oh, this is that fear.

1:00:15

This is fear. This is

1:00:18

a negative. I then

1:00:20

went, nope, this is a positive. My body

1:00:22

senses are up now. I'm gonna be able to think fast and react

1:00:24

quick. I'm gonna see clear up. I'm gonna my

1:00:26

vision will be sharp. And it was.

1:00:27

And that was all it was. There's a decision then to

1:00:29

see it differently. Then

1:00:31

sort of as time

1:00:33

goes on,

1:00:33

I think the fear does have its place then. I think you sort

1:00:36

of talking to each other, the fear

1:00:38

pushes you, your purpose pulls you,

1:00:40

and both of them need to have equal

1:00:42

sort of relevance

1:00:44

in the conversation. And

1:00:46

it's a bloody good

1:00:47

motivator to, you know, the half of

1:00:49

these challenges. My fear

1:00:51

of looking ridiculous if I didn't complete

1:00:53

this

1:00:53

task or the fact that the episode wouldn't have

1:00:56

worked, you know, that kept me going,

1:00:58

but also the sort of purpose of why I was

1:01:00

doing it kept me going. So I think

1:01:02

that both deserve conversation. Just

1:01:04

it's about balance. And if either of them

1:01:06

get too much attention, then, you know,

1:01:08

you have too much of all my

1:01:10

purpose and my thing. There can be a lack of

1:01:12

humility there. You know? The fear I

1:01:14

feel has allowed me to have more of a

1:01:16

self deprecating sort of sense of humor

1:01:18

about myself. And the world and the

1:01:20

work and hopefully kept me

1:01:22

humbled to. What

1:01:23

was the first role you

1:01:25

had where you allowed yourself to think. I'm gonna make it.

1:01:27

Well, it was interesting. The first

1:01:29

Thor film I thought great. I mean,

1:01:31

the game certainly. Which year was the

1:01:33

first Thor film? Oh

1:01:36

it two thousand and ten? I think --

1:01:38

Yep. -- I thought this is good. I'm kind of in the

1:01:40

mix, but I didn't know if the film was

1:01:42

gonna work. Didn't know if we were gonna do

1:01:44

an Avengers film. When you weren't the first

1:01:46

choice or were you Wasn't there something funny in

1:01:48

addition there? I auditioned initially and

1:01:50

didn't get a callback. I got some pretty bad

1:01:52

feedback. What was the feedback? Just not

1:01:54

good. Just the Really

1:01:56

terrific. Really, like, minimal

1:01:58

feedback, which is, like, not even gonna give you any

1:02:00

sort of, you know, constructive criticism or anything. It

1:02:02

was just kind of minimal nothing. And I

1:02:04

was shooting a film in

1:02:06

Vancouver, and my little brother calls me up and said, oh, they're gonna fly me out Australia

1:02:08

to LA for this film four. And I was

1:02:10

like, what? And he was like, yeah. So when I

1:02:12

sent an audition on a tape and gone over,

1:02:16

I'm like, Oh, that's awesome, man. Congrats. Wow. What do you

1:02:18

know? And then the trades, I

1:02:20

think, variety or deadline come out and had, like,

1:02:22

the six final guys before and Liam

1:02:24

was one of

1:02:26

those people. And I was with y'all Sweden

1:02:28

and drew Godard on the cabin in the

1:02:30

woods. And their both said, what the hell is going on

1:02:32

here? Was this your brother? And I go, yeah. And he goes, why are

1:02:34

you in

1:02:36

the mix? Heave me four, and I was like, no. No. No. No. I didn't get a callback

1:02:38

sound. None of them ended up getting

1:02:40

it. They reopened the casting. And I

1:02:42

got a chance to do an

1:02:44

audition and I sent in

1:02:46

a tape, and I was called

1:02:48

back in to meet with Ken Brenner and with the

1:02:50

audition. And I just had a very different attitude about it. I

1:02:52

didn't put anyone at a pedal store like it did

1:02:54

the first time I had, like,

1:02:56

little children to shut off. Yeah. That my

1:02:58

brother had got there and I hadn't. And I was

1:03:00

good motivation and is about

1:03:02

perspective, you know. And then I was able to walk in that

1:03:04

room and give the

1:03:06

best version of whatever I had to offer as

1:03:08

opposed to people pleasing

1:03:10

and going and going. Is this what you want or is it

1:03:12

this this way? And then there's nothing there's

1:03:14

a lack of strength there, I think. They needed the character

1:03:16

to be assertive, and so I had

1:03:18

a

1:03:18

lot more sort of presence in that

1:03:20

space than I did the first time around.

1:03:22

And then then got the part. How long does an

1:03:24

audition take?

1:03:25

Usually, you have a few days to learn

1:03:27

it sometimes, they call you at lunch

1:03:29

time and they say, coming

1:03:31

this afternoon and raid. But when you're

1:03:33

actually there in front of them, again, depending

1:03:35

on how well, low, bad it goes, it

1:03:37

could be five minutes. Give me two

1:03:39

minutes. It could be an hour. I've had, like,

1:03:42

people answer the phone midway through my

1:03:44

audition when I first got the town. They'd just be like,

1:03:46

yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Cool. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And

1:03:48

I'm like, I'm supposed to be still going and just like, yep, that's great. Thank

1:03:50

you very much. We'll call you. Oh,

1:03:52

yeah. It's good. Brutal. Even enough of them,

1:03:54

and it's either become numb to

1:03:56

it or destroys you.

1:03:58

How'd you hear about Rush? So

1:04:00

Ron Howard was making the film

1:04:02

didn't know anything about Formula One because you didn't know me. didn't know you. And my

1:04:05

agent had called me and said, oh, you

1:04:07

should do an audition. And Ron

1:04:09

said, oh, look, I've seen Ford,

1:04:12

he's great, but he's not right for the character, you

1:04:14

know. He won't fit in the formula one

1:04:16

car. I said, well, I'm not that size, and he

1:04:18

said, yeah, it's okay. And I said, I'm doing an

1:04:20

audition. And I watched an interview at James Hunt,

1:04:22

and my hair was kind of long enough so I could kind

1:04:24

of star exactly how his

1:04:26

was and and I had, you know, I've

1:04:28

been practicing the accent, did an audition, and he saw it, and

1:04:30

went, oh, kinda cool. And he already

1:04:31

picked Daniel for

1:04:34

Nikki. Think

1:04:34

he had. Yeah. I mean, you know my feelings on that film. Yeah. Like,

1:04:36

if you were getting a dollar for every

1:04:39

time that film got watched by

1:04:42

me, I you'd be even more

1:04:44

wealthy. I'm so thankful.

1:04:47

It's such a good movie. You would

1:04:49

know better than I do at this point. I haven't

1:04:51

seen it since the premiere. Are

1:04:53

you kidding me? It's hard to watch yourself, you know? So you

1:04:54

don't take your kids to Thor and Or they

1:04:56

don't watch it around the house. I know you're taking to the premier,

1:04:58

but No. It's taken to

1:05:01

a kilowatt. That was the first premiere I've talking to, but

1:05:03

I'll watch it once or twice. Or if

1:05:05

I'm producing it, then I'm, you know, stick through it

1:05:07

a bit more. But and

1:05:09

it should be uncomfortable, I think. This is something

1:05:11

now specific about enjoying it too much. So

1:05:13

if we're sitting here in

1:05:15

five years and your

1:05:17

life is better than it is today, especially in

1:05:19

accordance with the final episode of limitless.

1:05:22

Meaning, you're

1:05:24

running less The balance

1:05:26

between purpose and fear is

1:05:28

more in favor of purpose than

1:05:30

fear. You feel

1:05:30

more connected to your kids,

1:05:34

your family, what

1:05:34

has to be true? What are you doing?

1:05:35

This is another thing that came up in the

1:05:37

episode. I just want to sort of clarify. I

1:05:39

don't feel like I've been

1:05:40

doing anything wrong as much as

1:05:44

I've just been in

1:05:44

the storm of it. You know? I have a beautiful relationship with

1:05:46

my kids and my wife and my family. And

1:05:48

I'll be there with them, but

1:05:52

my brain has pulled in a million other places. And so

1:05:54

for for things to be even better,

1:05:56

would just be about is

1:05:59

it just about a state of mind? Or does it

1:06:01

mean it's both? Because in the episode,

1:06:03

I was talking about this

1:06:05

and I said, I was being asked to imagine

1:06:07

what my death would look like. And if this was

1:06:10

my final moment, who would have around me?

1:06:12

Where would

1:06:14

I be? And I realized it's in a living room with my

1:06:16

family and friends, and that's every other

1:06:18

weekend. You know, I have

1:06:20

it. So it was as

1:06:22

much a moment of it's already

1:06:24

right here in front of you, change your

1:06:26

attitude, and also, in

1:06:28

addition to that, was okay, I wanna do

1:06:30

this even more now and I have an opportunity

1:06:32

to do that because I'm

1:06:34

not in the

1:06:34

fight or the sprint anymore. So

1:06:36

it would be to be more curated with my choices and have

1:06:39

more time pre and post the film

1:06:41

to prepare and decompress.

1:06:45

As opposed to just pulling one off the other.

1:06:47

Does that mean more directing, shifting the

1:06:49

balance a little bit? I think it's

1:06:51

who the directors are. Working with people that are at the top

1:06:53

of their game and I've been so lucky to work with

1:06:55

some wonderful people. Just work with George

1:06:57

Miller and to continue to work with

1:06:59

individuals like that

1:07:02

where I'm learning from them. It's a collaboration, but

1:07:04

they're at the helm. They're still in the ship.

1:07:06

I don't have to feel like I gotta police

1:07:08

anyone else there, you know.

1:07:10

Is the dream. And then you're inspired by those people doing it for the

1:07:12

right reasons. It's from an artistic space and

1:07:15

an expression as

1:07:16

opposed

1:07:18

to a

1:07:18

financial one. That's a good payday. Scripps sucks, but I get paid well,

1:07:21

you know. So I've done a few times,

1:07:23

you know. And so

1:07:26

Yeah. To be more curated in my choices and have more

1:07:28

stillness and more calm in this side. Chris,

1:07:30

you know, I think about the last three years

1:07:32

and I think about when we started this

1:07:35

thing and January. For me, one of the most unexpected

1:07:37

joys of this, I really only did this because

1:07:39

of Darren, you know Darren and I were Warren

1:07:42

remained so good friends and

1:07:44

the chance to do something fun like this with

1:07:46

him was the motivation. But I

1:07:48

think a very pleasant surprise for me has been

1:07:50

meeting you and meeting all the people

1:07:52

around you. And

1:07:52

it gives me great comfort as now someone who's become a close friend

1:07:54

of yours to know that you are

1:07:56

surrounded by these amazing people. Like

1:07:59

Ben and Aaron and Zac and your family and your

1:08:02

parents and your brothers. I mean, you are

1:08:04

rich, Chris. You are rich

1:08:06

in people. And I suspect that's

1:08:08

actually probably your greatest asset. So

1:08:10

it's been a real privilege to be a part of that.

1:08:12

Well, well, it's been wonderful getting to

1:08:14

know you too, mate. It's been the biggest joys. The people

1:08:16

I've met with this

1:08:18

experience and the knowledge one thing with the friendships, the most important. So thank you, buddy. Yeah, man. Thanks for so much. I don't

1:08:23

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