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Pleasure Good sir for you to to to see on

1:58

the show we met in Indy while you were. There

2:00

I want to run through some of

2:02

their the biggest questions in this draft

2:04

at from your takes We've been talking

2:07

about all these think are far one

2:09

of the things that that's jump that

2:11

a me recently is and this is

2:14

a guy that wasn't working. Added indeed,

2:16

should there be more of a conversation

2:18

about whether Milit Neighbors actually belongs either

2:20

right there with or even ahead of

2:23

Marvin Harrison Junior. This has been from

2:25

day one. Marvin Harrison Junior. He's the

2:27

Trevor Lawrence. He's the anointed one is.

2:30

The best guy since Calvin Johnson or whatever

2:32

it is and the more you watch of

2:34

Milit Neighbors and that the player tracking data

2:36

as and literally number one fastest guy in

2:39

in game speed all this kind of thing.

2:42

Did we do that too quickly? Like should

2:44

Neighbors actually be getting more conversation for that

2:46

wide receiver one topic. Listen.

2:49

On the biggest conductor of them on

2:51

league neighbors treat but I'm an even

2:53

bigger fan of Mormon years and June.

2:55

Added thing, Marvin is just on a

2:57

different level than any other why receiver

2:59

in his class. Since I said this

3:01

on sports and other day like we

3:04

used the term generational a little bit

3:06

too loosely nowadays so I'm just gonna

3:08

star sense that you good as that,

3:10

you builder means that thirty four years

3:12

from now my mark gonna have a

3:14

statue outside the stadium of the team

3:16

that Jass and thus are confident I

3:18

am And this evaluation. Of a player and

3:20

I think he's right there with the lives

3:22

of thousands odds and marks a degree. Leo

3:25

zones the best wide receivers that we've seen

3:27

the since wreaths. I think Marv is just

3:29

that good and I think was happening is

3:31

is call prospect that he live. We've been

3:33

anointed these guys for so long as it's

3:35

we I think everybody gets bored, starts poking

3:37

holes and guys for no reason but once

3:39

they get to the league in their just

3:42

incredible hereby was like oh Media does do

3:44

is pretty dang good So I think this

3:46

was happening with Martin right now and neighbors

3:48

is very good. But a thing, Marvin is

3:50

just on different plane. Jordan.

3:52

I feel like the topic of conversation

3:54

when we were at the Combine in

3:57

Indy was swirling around. The quarterback has

3:59

we figured that it would and there

4:01

was one quarterback in particular that everybody

4:03

wanted to talk about Any region. Mccarthy

4:05

and you and your recent much as

4:07

you put on a much as post

4:09

com and addition airbase you go check

4:11

that out already. spm.com. You. Have

4:13

Jg Mccarthy going to the Minnesota Vikings

4:16

at number Eleven, So that's something that

4:18

me, I've seen that link. More

4:20

than a few times it feels like whether

4:22

the Vikings you're staying at eleven or sometimes

4:25

I've seen the Vikings trading up into the

4:27

top ten to go be Tedium Mccarthy Very

4:29

thing you can saw we know you got

4:31

really good source in the league. Obviously you're

4:33

great scout as well. I'd love to hear

4:35

what you think about with the Nfl believes

4:37

when it comes to Jt Mccarthy and then

4:39

what you thought of him as an evaluate.

4:42

Your. So we're We're see and happening with Jj.

4:44

Right now is what I like to call

4:47

the Thrill of the Unknown. So what happens

4:49

a lot of highest with a throw? The

4:51

Unknown we saw with three minutes every Nfl

4:53

coats are there some info Coaches I should

4:55

say they feel as if they have a

4:57

secret ingredient to really uncover that next layer

4:59

of a player development. So we're talking about

5:01

a quarterback the just turned twenty one years

5:03

old and January who was in a very

5:05

run heavy or run centric type of office.

5:07

But when they did allow him to throw

5:09

the ball, he's very efficient. Like. We.

5:11

Can look up all this that he was

5:13

a very physically brother was the most efficient

5:16

quarterback on third down this year. Very good

5:18

off a play action so there's going to

5:20

be something that the decision wicked this guy

5:22

be. A couple years down the road we

5:24

actually allowed to throw the football and he

5:26

has a really good infrastructure around them so

5:28

I'll look at it. seemed like the bike

5:30

is that already has a great infrastructure. They

5:32

have a good play caller in a given

5:34

O'connell. Lodge. Have just as Evers and

5:36

yep Jordan Addison tr it's and will be back

5:38

at some point next year. Coming off the torn

5:40

a Ceo they're going get better run the football

5:43

guy to sing them. Are. Legal some

5:45

resources and try to get better that as

5:47

in that aspect. So I think with the

5:49

set up in Minnesota I think that's very

5:51

advantageous for Jj. I still think they're gonna

5:53

need to get a better in in. There

5:55

was as as bring Kurt Bat. Or.

5:57

They saw somebody like a Jacoby Resale

5:59

russell. Whoever some better in in there

6:01

to be the bridge god is because they

6:04

do not going to be ready right away.

6:06

On I just think that's a really good

6:08

setup for Jj to succeed. Are starting. It's

6:10

only twenty five and beyond we're We're reaching

6:12

the point in the whole process where everyone

6:14

is projecting trades left, right and centre right

6:16

there. Chicago in a trade down to are

6:19

they gonna trade down further? Is somebody else

6:21

trading up to three? All this kind of

6:23

South's you at one of the most interesting

6:25

trades I seen in your mark. You add

6:27

Chicago sitting there, number one resetting the clot

6:29

taken. The quarterback but then you have been

6:32

trading back up. To. Go and get

6:34

that quarterback A special weapons arm Is that

6:36

something you think could actually happen and should

6:38

be focusing more on like the court of

6:40

thing is a done deal. They're making that

6:42

happen. What are they going to do? In

6:44

addition of that to to really not as

6:46

out of the bird. It.

6:48

Honestly was as the sun ideas on just

6:50

because you guys know with mature as you

6:52

play around with so many different traits different

6:55

scenarios bet houses. Me gonna think the bears

6:57

are in a situation now of where they're

6:59

over the stage in their rebuild of where

7:01

they just need to collect quantity of fixed

7:03

is because I think they have a really

7:05

good foundation a place especially on defense and

7:08

me to get monster sweat dame and Johnson's

7:10

a really good doonan block a map when

7:12

he of others on defense but I just

7:14

don't have those foundational pieces office right now

7:16

Dj more coal commit or they're building. Blocks

7:18

on often so why not you take aim of

7:21

we've number one and then you go up and

7:23

you get another building block in Rome or do

7:25

they Ormeau league neighbors whoever it is on so

7:27

milan of thinking behind that was you're gonna get

7:29

another pic back from just feels weather's a third

7:32

or fourth round pick you going to get the

7:34

day to a day three feet in some form

7:36

or fashion so you're gonna get back there third

7:38

it's you give up this year for traded up.

7:41

With the next year he writing have to

7:43

second rounders are ready from the bright young

7:45

tray when the Panthers came up. So losing

7:47

their third rounder I don't think is a

7:49

huge blow so I'm fine with given of

7:51

those two third round pick to trade up

7:53

from nine to five. man I don't think

7:55

Rome or Moluccas gonna be there and number

7:57

nine overall. that's why hadn't trade up. The

8:00

head of a diet is because they me why

8:02

receiver help and that's a popular landing spot for

8:04

a wide receiver to spin. Also the worst kept

8:06

secret f the draft and discharges one of the

8:08

tree back at them. besides monetary bad is because

8:10

they're gonna go through a lot a roster turnover

8:12

so that was my big wanna thank you behind

8:14

it does go ahead and be aggressive Go had

8:17

been get why think is to the top our

8:19

players in the job and a the waves in

8:21

the league neighbors. He. I just feel like

8:23

that tie that chargers think is counted. Up

8:26

for grabs, it or open for business whatever you

8:28

want to say any job or to his said

8:30

in his opening press conference like all they ask

8:32

him how they build such a great core of

8:35

a roster in Baltimore. They're always competing in the

8:37

and it's the he's kind of said like you

8:39

got have a lot draft picks and very clearly

8:41

I think that was a little hint or a

8:44

subtle way to say. Our. Phones are

8:46

open com policy that number five thick. I

8:48

agree with you that's gonna be a as

8:50

a hard one to watch when it comes

8:52

to draft weekend our our about corners with

8:54

you because these are really phone corner class

8:56

especially the top and. I can't

8:59

figure out. Who's going to be

9:01

C B One off the board because you've had

9:03

people say that mean is it is Terry on

9:05

Arnold they want to take this past year. Gui

9:07

Mckinstry didn't get it on action because of how

9:09

well he played last year so instead the tried

9:11

to throw it at Arnold. Dad didn't work out

9:13

well. he's taking the ball off is knocking the

9:15

way you do and I kind of stuff. They

9:17

do stuff like me watch him at the podium

9:19

you assume speak He here with Stacey deal saga

9:21

by mom and she's like this is A He

9:23

seems like such a good dude like teams are

9:25

going. Absolutely love him but he a queen and

9:28

Mitchell as well. Crazy. Tape over

9:30

the last two years. Really productive player exposing

9:32

the senior bowl they put him in press

9:34

coverage he absolutely dominates comes to com my

9:36

dominates their as well so I'm curious after

9:38

and of what you see but also what

9:41

you've heard d Think there's more momentum for

9:43

one guy or the other when it comes

9:45

to who is gonna be C B one

9:47

off the board. Yes,

9:50

A great question. Arms up and going to

9:52

the Senior bowl? or think Syrian was the

9:54

guy for a lot of people. Just

9:56

because when you have so many question marks you know

9:58

been a group of five. That how would

10:00

he matchup against going against these upper level

10:02

type of player in upper level type athletes?

10:05

And I mean you were there. I thought

10:07

he was the best player regardless of position

10:09

at the senior bowl. He was terrific and

10:11

then he goes out to combine Hs another

10:13

bought so when you mitchell as discontinued check

10:15

box after box after box. Got the project

10:18

process and less of a mess. gas me

10:20

by was love to see So I think

10:22

that stretched from twelve to seventeen in the

10:24

draft. Starting with the Broncos it's wealth and

10:26

then at the Jaguar says seventeen. I think

10:28

that's where we could. See the one of

10:31

those guys come off of the border? Even

10:33

both. But if I had to guess right

10:35

now over to be so. the question mister

10:37

the first corner offer the board just because

10:39

as a lotta love out there for him

10:42

right now does because of the bot is

10:44

that he has conceded shit throughout the project

10:46

process. Do you find that evaluating corners has

10:48

become to the trickier recently because I think

10:50

the thing everyone looks at when they're starting

10:53

cornerbacks is it's kind of man coverage skills

10:55

right? You're watching how does a guy turn,

10:57

how does he bump and a play bumper

10:59

on coverage. Can Eat and said of

11:01

read the movements of receivers during patterns.

11:04

I everyone's really studying the main cover

11:06

ability of a corner, but most of

11:08

the Nfl was playing zone coverage most

11:10

of the times and Arnold I think

11:12

is a really interesting ah player because

11:14

I can't remember a cornerback that has

11:16

better man cover skills and Arnold like

11:19

he is disgusting. We good at that

11:21

stuff. Like his movement skills are nuts,

11:23

his ability to flip and not lose

11:25

speed is crazy. It's I genuinely can't

11:27

think of a corner. it's had better.

11:30

Fluid man coverage skills and him but I

11:32

don't know these been that great in zone

11:34

coverage and he feels like he reads the

11:36

to take late. Ah you know there's a

11:38

depth at them Witherspoon divine with a spoon.

11:40

Last year like light years better at zone

11:42

coverage type stuff that than he was so

11:44

you said a Looking at this I'm saying

11:46

I genuinely can't think of a prospect. It's

11:48

been better at this thing but used to

11:51

be everything from cornerback place you had a

11:53

guy to could do that. You had like

11:55

the best cornerback in the Nfl right out

11:57

of the box. Now you have a guy.

11:59

We're saying. We only do that. A

12:01

third of the time. We need the other

12:04

stuff to be really good as well, and that's a projection.

12:07

I think this is the hardest part For

12:10

my media standpoint is because we're not running

12:12

a scheme so there's gonna be something that

12:14

prefer when you missile over to in our

12:16

just because of the things that you to

12:18

sit at. The queen is more or consistent

12:20

as far as a dual threat and man

12:23

and zone just because as more experience, donut

12:25

money and you look at the makeover skills

12:27

and the fluidity of t got here you

12:29

know that the is unmatched death in this

12:31

draft were so bus not running skiing more

12:34

the sand that hey I'll read add the

12:36

man corner as opposed to dispose ancora. Vice

12:38

versa. that's the hard part for us. Ah

12:40

but I think with period they did all they

12:42

did on was on a lot like Nick Saban

12:44

in his defensive scheme. They run a lot

12:46

of friends man so that's what he has

12:48

a lot of experience doing but I think what

12:51

syrian a so comfortable with doing that stuff

12:53

which is because he was a says when

12:55

he first got the Alabama so he see

12:57

the difference when the back in the in transition

12:59

it's a nickel and implant outside corner to

13:01

vs so me different reps and different visualizations

13:03

of the difference from so many different lenses. I

13:05

think that's where really up some. I.

13:08

Jordan We had this conversation near. San.

13:11

Is trying to get me. To.

13:14

Hey, Brian Thomas Junior with them or

13:16

I right before you even popped on.

13:18

he's like I don't get it He

13:20

dropped passes like I just I can't

13:22

see the way that every else as

13:24

this guy went out there. Twitter: Nine

13:26

thousand Four Three three official forty yard-to

13:28

be heated phrase the Athlete we saw

13:30

the production Malice You are not there

13:32

with Sam But Sam car looks at

13:34

Bryant Thomas Junior as seminal work. With

13:36

words. You're out but like. He

13:38

feels. As. One of the most

13:40

overrated prospects right now to you. Is it

13:42

true? Yeah, I'll wrap it up for a

13:45

right. He is now becoming the consensus wide

13:47

receiver for right. And. I currently do

13:49

not have him in my top ten. so

13:51

bad now it's not know I thought that

13:53

are not. Now. He's

13:56

market Phallus Gatling. I'll

14:00

break it down like this: I'm a fan of

14:02

Brian Farmers Junior and this one you guys mention

14:04

of just because. Now he did Assessed as good

14:07

as this guy. Well. Maybe did nothing

14:09

back on is so his dress ah Bridges

14:11

process reminds me a lot a decade mecca

14:13

when he was coming out and I'll break

14:15

it down like this. So if he remembered

14:18

the big question about Dk was that pity

14:20

change direction? Could he run routes? Couldn't run

14:22

anything besides Berkeley in the question I mean

14:24

answer was not like if he just got

14:27

moving north and south he's gonna be one

14:29

of the best receivers in the Nfl right

14:31

away to make him say direction slant out

14:33

He does not little run any of this

14:36

stuff does run a string. Rhizomes

14:38

is like just run him north and south.

14:41

Tinnitus same seats us down last year old vertical patents

14:43

and if you look at Israel as you take. All.

14:46

Of his exposed to play the running vertical.

14:48

I mean if you look at him at

14:50

the combine you go back and watch the

14:52

workout. He struggled almost slant pad of those.

14:54

our part of the sideline breaking routes defeated

14:56

look very good Duenas that is because it

14:58

doesn't have a lot a spirit doing it

15:00

but if you run vertical need to salon

15:02

to say hey does make these routes attract

15:04

me and as run past everybody. That's what

15:06

he did. the se si. Sa. Think

15:08

you're going to be have to do them and they smelt

15:10

now see a strong as he came back as a route

15:12

runner know. This. Because the body's

15:14

images of very different. but if you allow

15:16

him he specializes pack is to just be

15:19

a vertical guy with them with an occasional

15:21

intermediate or short routes. I think you'd be

15:23

a high and wide receiver to see that

15:25

is elected. Still a top ten wide receiver

15:27

in this class. Our talk less feel to

15:30

it. Still it off. What Am I? The

15:32

zebra in this class is the this is

15:34

why this is why the draft process is

15:36

so fascinating right? Because we're seeing the same

15:38

things, were just projecting it differently like you

15:41

were all essential reading this guy the same

15:43

ways. But my concern is that like the

15:45

league as change the last couple of years

15:47

vertical explosive plays been taken out of a

15:49

game and one trick ponies quote unquote. they're

15:52

just not as dangerous as they used to

15:54

be so you sure you can have a

15:56

guy who still excels in that and it's

15:58

scary for A D fans and it's you

16:00

have to respect did but Dk make have

16:03

I think has become a more varied and

16:05

versatile receiver. And of course like there's a

16:07

legit difference between how scary a guy is

16:09

when these two hundred and ten pounds vs

16:11

guy was like to thirty five. It's a

16:14

different problem for a cornerback, but my concern

16:16

is. Like if he's only Marquez

16:18

valid scuttling. I'm in Scotland. Just got dropped

16:20

kicked off the roster because that wasn't getting

16:22

it done any more. Like you, you need

16:24

more the outside like the clutch catch to

16:26

send the Superbowl Rail one of them that

16:28

I can assure you can shop big at

16:30

a given all my but I mean more

16:32

nice of hold on hold on. Here's my

16:34

question. Here's my question for you. Bills.

16:38

And twenty eight, would you take Brand Thomas? you'd

16:40

so he would be an interesting game. Davis mean

16:42

I'll replace reasons I always look through Able want

16:44

to have him like Top Torn early on as

16:46

top Twenty I think you're cool has been the.

16:49

To. Be a user caused all see that

16:51

like that the same thing know cause need

16:53

that of able to play but isn't that

16:55

like isn't? As you know we're we're sort

16:57

of. Again, it's almost the same conversation Like

17:00

gave Davis his is being let go because

17:02

he never became the players, it's everyone wanted

17:04

him to be com. He remained essentially a

17:06

one trick pony for his entire time there.

17:08

and they're like we need more than that

17:10

and they've already kind of supplanted among in

17:13

the team by Cameo Secure who was drafted

17:15

the way lower. Somebody help me out. Where

17:17

was he actually taken but where was. He

17:19

was it worth around right? Well as a lower

17:21

and lower than should have been an order mean

17:23

if somebody comes out there goes to use to

17:25

tears bed and gave Davis is a prospect. Oblige

17:27

you're an idiot. Presented is ending of a better

17:29

Nfl player because he can do more. Yeah.

17:32

I don't know though that. This. Streamline.

17:34

part of the I don't think is as

17:37

much of a negative as you're making it

17:39

out to be like day Davis and Martinsville

17:41

distinctly are getting. They're moving on from that

17:43

did teams moving on from because of their

17:45

inconsistency is not necessarily that their role. What?

17:48

They do wasn't good enough. He me like almost

17:50

dropping off insisted on. I'm saying that like all

17:52

those drop passes that are there on Thomas is

17:55

so bizarre I was saying that is still do

17:57

this work in a fight for ensuring our i'm

17:59

not going. The we're not going to do this you

18:01

have another question idea. Could actually kind of I want

18:03

to ask Jordans or you know. All all jokes aside

18:05

about Brian Amish Junior. I. Know what feels

18:07

like? It's kind of like a clump of players

18:10

after the big three. Do you have a preference

18:12

wide receiver for? I now know it's kind of

18:14

like. Steam. Depending for lot of

18:16

these guys like Brian Thomas Junior Troy Franklin

18:18

Lab Mccarthy, Ricky Pierce all eighty, Mitchell, Xavier

18:20

Worthy is a brutal get. like. There's so

18:22

many guys you rattle off I'm curious. Do

18:24

you have a strong feeling about a wide

18:26

receiver for right now? Where does it really

18:28

like you said, kind of them? Team dependent

18:31

after the Big Three. Are

18:33

my really like an image but Texas

18:35

is my favorite. In this class

18:37

are now has my daughter comes in her

18:39

I know oh my last night I like

18:41

an image of the sexes are he's one

18:44

of my favorites in a sack Last not

18:46

body performed really well at the combine arm

18:48

he did so so many good things I

18:50

thought he him running for three four Hubley

18:52

the was the six would soon two hundred

18:54

and five pounds summer thirty nine and a

18:56

half inches in the vertical as really really

18:58

gonna help. I'm a lot and he's another

19:00

one Agassi the coast Taking a fifty on

19:02

the bills at twenty eight are really good

19:05

mass and lower. Please don't let I'm Lana.

19:07

Kinda see I think is gonna be

19:09

a really good mass offensive a homes

19:11

as well. So that wide receiver for

19:13

for me right now would be Adam

19:15

I'm new to on a big fan

19:17

of them. I wanted to ask you

19:19

by the Edge Rushers because it seems

19:21

to me like we're getting slightly lower

19:23

down version of the repeat of the

19:25

Travel Walker vs Aden Hutchinson conversation right

19:27

on the one and with technician and

19:29

production and in that I've got a

19:31

lot to this year. And the other

19:33

side we've got athlete and project and

19:35

in a potential and that. Was travel

19:37

walker and that's Palace Turner this year, right?

19:39

And it feels like we're sort of running

19:42

this again of what do you prefer? You

19:44

want their potential on the athleticism that we

19:46

can turn into something special? Or do you

19:48

want to get? It's already just really good

19:51

and might you know, still still be really

19:53

good at the next level? Where do you

19:55

fall on that kind of top of the

19:57

edge rusher conversation? and obviously that's you know,

19:59

me laughing inside A guy like Jared Vs

20:02

in the middle. Near.

20:04

Me: get the nail on here I think vs

20:06

that guy that's the best of both worlds as

20:08

far as a run, defender and a pass rusher.

20:10

but La Sua Turner is kind of like either

20:13

or now. If you talkin bout you want to

20:15

generate pass rush and we had again tomorrow. I'll

20:17

feel most comfortable and lots of just because he

20:19

so mcchord with his hands. he does everything that

20:21

you want from a pass for a standpoint. ah

20:23

but he does have some things the work on

20:26

his father run defender and then you have the

20:28

Nyt questions as well. We don't know as far

20:30

as the medical situation that's going to be different

20:32

for every team as far as how comfortable. They

20:34

are investing especially in a person. I as

20:36

rush are we talking about neck issues or

20:38

previous medical questions about a net miss A

20:40

big deal but when Dallas Tanner as that

20:42

the of side is so good with him

20:44

and I know that p word potential gets

20:46

you in a lot of trouble. but if

20:48

you look at it is a plane without

20:50

Will Anderson junior last year his numbers got

20:52

better so that as a projection as you

20:54

want to see he's a really good run

20:56

defender already in the Amd. He still doesn't

20:58

really understand how to use and tie together.

21:00

A Merry together is passer as moves and

21:03

I think that is. Reps with them but

21:05

thing and underrate A about Turner's game is

21:07

that he's comfortable governing covers to so he's

21:09

very scheme versatile as well as not a

21:11

situation of where he can only play disposition

21:13

a disposition at the he can play any position

21:15

of front. Now he's not gonna live inside of

21:17

next level but if you want to run

21:19

what I call those Nascar packages on third

21:21

down he went to reduce and inside is

21:23

gonna help you There you can drop amount

21:25

of coverage of the seven or a nice acne

21:27

to South Africa. So many different things that you

21:30

can do more with Dallas Turner and just

21:32

the arrow is pointing up with him even.

21:34

Though lox he was the better rusher right now.

21:36

I think turn a can of if we get

21:38

to wear lots of we have any the little

21:40

bit more dependable as a run. Definitive. We're

21:43

up somewhere. miss your and and I wanted

21:45

a circle back to quarterbacks The Guys the

21:47

very top. It feels as though everybody that

21:49

I talked to in Indianapolis just feels as

21:51

though they'll blame Scalable One. I mean, I

21:53

have yet to read a mock draft. I

21:56

think within the last month or so that

21:58

has anything else the other than Caleb. And

22:00

for a while we were debating Caleb or

22:02

Dray caliber Drake in films always kind of

22:04

in the favorite, but now he feels like

22:06

he's turning into that runaway Favorites It seems

22:09

though is that we have a legitimate debate.

22:11

Between. Magistrate maintain Daniels,

22:13

but maybe even you're throwing Jj Mccarthy

22:15

in there as well. But. When

22:18

you watch Straight May a Drink plays it

22:20

clearly to be to for me like I'd

22:22

sit. From what I've seen on tape, I

22:24

think he's got all the tools in the

22:26

world, army that hundred production over the last

22:28

couple of seasons and yet we're hearing he

22:30

might not. Eat. Not only may he

22:32

be Qb to like he, he might even be

22:34

to be three tb for in this class. So

22:36

it feels contrast to what I feel like. his

22:38

potential is in his arm talent. But what have

22:41

you heard about Drake May? would you like about

22:43

Drake May? Where is he for you in this

22:45

quarterback class? As to

22:47

have a comparably and quarterback to so I'm

22:49

right there with you on. I just think

22:51

the combination of everything that you get with

22:53

Juri from on silenced now point the mobility

22:55

and the and as the consistency. As a

22:57

three level thrower I think he was better

22:59

than Jaden in the ass but now it's

23:01

rate didn't have the you the you want

23:03

to the mean a lot of people were

23:05

saying potentially could be them wimpy along with

23:07

came of that think that's a long list

23:09

of in Bethel that this is that is

23:11

foreign a future now foreign a pass or

23:13

said sites I think caleb as far and

23:15

away the the consensus. Number one guy now.

23:17

but Drake is still that number two guy

23:20

for me. But what is so frustrating about

23:22

Drake can't The wire to see some people

23:24

have competently dropping is just to throw a

23:26

sixty or seventy yard bomb as just a

23:28

beautiful throw and then the next few plays

23:30

will come out and and throw a simple

23:32

pass and the dirt. that's a surpass. So.

23:35

I just see a lot of flaws that trait

23:37

has right now are correct double with Nfl coach

23:39

and in an something that I think he doesn't

23:41

get enough credit for that. He didn't apps as

23:43

as walker until the middle of last season so

23:46

he was thrown into of much a new guys

23:48

who was planning a new scheme as well. It's

23:50

a com a bit. Of time to

23:52

overcome some of those things but when he dig

23:54

it says Walker I believe was the Miami game.

23:57

I mean there was absolutely fireworks and you know

23:59

Drake was very inconsistent especially down the backstretch of

24:01

the year but I just think a lot his

24:03

flaws particularly his footwork. I think that is very

24:06

correct double overtime but he just has to clean

24:08

up some of the consistent thirteen or exceeded the

24:10

ecosystem think that he has right now and I

24:12

just think the world a drag man I think

24:14

is going to be really good and I think

24:17

a lot of people just over thinking him especially

24:19

some of the flaws that he as I know

24:21

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24:43

So much power He gave birth ninety

24:45

gusts. Yeah thread that the Drake may

24:48

conversations get an interesting i feel like evaluations

24:50

or draft stock or whatever you want to

24:52

call this. I feel like they take on

24:54

like a momentum of their own so you

24:56

you once things start leaning in one direction

24:59

it's like when you hear it's. Commentators

25:01

talk about off and sublime And you know once

25:03

you get your in and thirty pounds, move and

25:05

can't stop it. Once we decided the Drake may

25:07

actually needed to be criticize a little bit, we

25:10

needed to pick them apart. Now you can't stop

25:12

that freight train. Now we're just doing it and

25:14

left right and sand or in. it's like nos.

25:16

he might not even be to be three where

25:18

it would take him all the way down. say

25:20

okay, come on, let's let's pump the brakes a

25:23

little bit here. like I was leading the charge

25:25

To say. I feel

25:27

like we've overrated this guy. Between what

25:29

are some problems here, I don't love

25:31

the prospect. thought like only so far

25:33

as still as an insane tool set

25:35

and like the projection can still be

25:37

ridiculous. A good yeah I'm with you

25:40

and would see how their Nfl career

25:42

sir. Now we'll see where the and

25:44

have been drafted but I've since the

25:46

summer I've had Taylor blames very clearly

25:48

his quarterback one in his class of

25:50

had Drake may very clearly core back

25:52

to even with the rise of Gg

25:54

Mccarthy. Even with the rise again Daniels.

25:56

In own the season ended right around December. Gonna

25:59

get a good look. These guys again and went

26:01

through some of their film, but I didn't end

26:03

up getting to my. Life. Raft

26:06

guide. It

26:08

like a deep dive into these

26:10

players at for quarterbacks until. When.

26:13

Was this like beginning of February? Yes.

26:15

And I kind of felt bad about

26:17

it at the time because. I.

26:20

Didn't have as confident as been. Answers

26:22

are detailed of answers would be would

26:25

ask know quarterbacks in January and I

26:27

was like ah man just later on

26:29

the schedule. But I'm actually kind of

26:31

glad that I did that because it

26:33

allowed the Jaden Daniels hive to really

26:35

start to gain speed. And then when

26:37

I went over these quarterbacks again for

26:39

the draft guide that was. A.

26:42

Prevalent thing in the media Cgt Mccarthy's well like the

26:44

hype was really start to grow for him and I

26:46

went back in a wants to ton more of these

26:48

Guys tape and I went. Drake

26:52

ways to be to like. I don't have

26:54

reservations about it at all whatsoever. Taylor was

26:56

still to be clearly Qb one for me

26:58

and Drake was very clearly still to be

27:00

too. So amongst all the hype, it was

27:02

great to really get into the film again

27:04

in the beginning of February when I was

27:06

doing the draft guide stuff and just reaffirmed

27:08

to myself that know I mean what do

27:11

com what I thought in December is true

27:13

even know are we hear a lot of

27:15

rumors of the stock of the rest these

27:17

guys and with the Nfl could be think

27:19

it about Daniels and Mccarthy. May

27:21

still qb to for me Man, I think

27:23

that anybody who's. Who. Has a

27:25

quarterback choice outside of Caleb Lambs and

27:27

taken Drake may. I

27:29

think you're over. Think that. I

27:31

think the process around all this

27:33

stuff, right, Scouting ranking all this

27:36

kind of thing is is a

27:38

really interesting element because I don't

27:40

know what the correct answer should

27:42

be. On the one hand, I

27:44

think there's a lot of merit

27:46

and virtue to doing it in

27:48

your own little silo isolated from

27:50

the world and not knowing what

27:52

the consensus opinion is right. So

27:54

I lights said of not really

27:56

following college football and coming to

27:58

draft prospects. Essentially. Completely fresh

28:00

and just getting my own take on guys

28:02

because I'm not like the influence my three

28:05

years of watching this dude you know play

28:07

for us here would ever read. the first

28:09

time I've ever heard a half these guys

28:11

start you and draft rats and you just

28:14

get your initial take rights. But then there's

28:16

also I think a lot of merit to.

28:18

Okay, I didn't like Brian Thomas at all

28:20

for my first go through, but everybody loves

28:23

and rights and I think there's there's a

28:25

lot of value instead of knowing that and

28:27

saying right. I'm clearly seeing

28:29

a different of these people, so at the

28:32

very minimum I should go unchecked myself and

28:34

makes your than I'm comfortable with that or.

28:36

Did. I just like watch him wrong. you

28:39

know? is it a bad day was I

28:41

already ate wide receivers deep and just got

28:43

lazy that time Like it's It's a good

28:45

check right to just go and say it's

28:47

like immediately I had a flag on Brian

28:50

Thomas Junior because at that point I continue

28:52

that that he was getting quite. Popular.

28:54

As a top. Picks. And I didn't

28:56

like him so in my notes was like

28:59

a flag of hey. Check. This

29:01

again later because you like him whole lot

29:03

less than everybody else does and at the

29:05

very made him a make sure you like

29:07

that. So for Nfl teams I think this

29:09

the thing is well right I know that

29:12

Nfl teams trying like isolate their stats and

29:14

don't let them sort of look at grades

29:16

or any of this stuff because they want

29:18

them doing this isolated in a vacuum but

29:20

there is also that the nice be a

29:22

cross check process I'm more of like this

29:24

is where the consensus is mean are we

29:26

come to with our differences in why they

29:29

exist. I

29:32

always like. Talking draft with

29:34

you because of kind of what you

29:36

said are timelines are very different, you

29:38

know, I'm I'm looking at these guys.

29:41

June. Writer: As a first time

29:43

and I'm coming up with top ten's for all these

29:46

positions and I like the i prefer that myself but

29:48

it's always great to get Like you said like a

29:50

fresh perspective on it and it's why you go back

29:52

to what I've seen them when I was doing a

29:54

of the trap guide. Perhaps it's great because. A.

29:57

Lot of the we're starting to hear lot of the

29:59

rumors restarting Hear that? The what the Nfl my

30:01

Billie and it gives me a chance. Really go back

30:03

to the tape and say okay how I feel about

30:05

this independent of with the in a fallacy when gets

30:07

guy tells me okay know you should like this player.

30:10

Do. I do. I see the same

30:12

way and down. You know

30:14

we were joking about this before the show That.

30:17

A handful of us were a little bit

30:19

lower on Tyree Wilson last year than consensus.

30:21

like it felt like Tyree Wilson was a

30:23

consensus Top Ten player for a lot of

30:25

really great value waiters and. Not

30:28

saying that did you know we're we're taking the

30:30

victory lap on be lower on Tyree Wolf's I

30:32

think this year could be potentially huge year forum

30:34

and I felt like he was always going to

30:36

take a limited time for and to figure it

30:38

out from Texas Tech to the Nfl so he's

30:40

right in the timeline of when he would would

30:42

really take that leap anyways but he i just

30:45

more people watching him end to this point. He

30:47

just doesn't feel like he's living up to that

30:49

sort of top ten potential. and maybe that's the

30:51

way the your car seen it was a guy

30:53

like Brian Thomas sooner. But it's always great to

30:55

get different people's for said to get you don't

30:57

want you want a phone to the group, think

30:59

too much, you want to be able to stand

31:01

firm and your convictions and will you think about

31:04

the prospects. but it is good to. I.

31:06

Would say at this time of the year. Hear

31:08

other people's perspectives, nast their rankings because it

31:10

allows you to either see something you didn't

31:12

see or speak. just fortifies what you believed

31:14

about a prospect and you say nope, Somebody

31:17

actually try to challenge me on this and

31:19

I just quite frankly don't think that way

31:21

I'd I don't see this better this way.

31:23

So this is done through this time years.

31:25

I think good for that kinds of stuff.

31:27

Also because of what we we talk about

31:29

with Jordan which is you can see a

31:31

guy the same way but sort of. Evaluated

31:33

differently. Bright light. One of the that one

31:36

of things I like is when he sort

31:38

of see something of a player and you've

31:40

identified this thing you're like okay I think

31:43

this is either really good a really bad

31:45

rights and it instead of ways me a

31:47

reason we have we in your overall evaluation

31:49

that player and then you see somebody else

31:52

at least identify that same thing and even

31:54

if they they evaluated are projected or analyze

31:56

and slightly differently be like a guy who's

31:58

validation and we seeing something they are seeing

32:01

what you're seeing and then debating whether that

32:03

can be a big deal or not. So

32:05

when Rebel we first started talking my Billie

32:08

neighbors and one of the things I told

32:10

you was i really get weary about his

32:12

shoulder shrug type of staying at the line

32:14

of scrimmage retry so avoid press coverage rather

32:17

than taken on interfere with his hands and

32:19

Steve Smith Sr you know does suffer under

32:21

dog I think and he identified the same

32:24

thing he has like it doesn't being a

32:26

flies in the and a south I think

32:28

he said it was correct. Of all you

32:30

know, some he can fix recently easily. but. I

32:33

do is validation that right like Hall of

32:35

fame caliber wide receivers the Smiths identifies exactly

32:37

the same thing as like the biggest problem

32:39

with my neighbors game and then it just

32:42

becomes how big of an issue do think

32:44

that is when you projecting in the Nfl.

32:46

Yeah. And and just kind of like

32:48

is it only didn't mean as a counter

32:50

to doctors. I'm not saying that seat is

32:53

wrong in any way, shape or form in

32:55

all Pro receiver A me I respect Steve's

32:57

argue a wide receivers a lot but I

32:59

remember watching a video of Cooper Com where

33:01

he himself like breaks down what he does

33:04

his receivers and he emphasizes like that speed

33:06

is like that speed release where you are

33:08

you're kind of like showing your hands a

33:10

little bit but then you are basically just

33:13

trying to dip your shoulder underneath them and

33:15

try to get away as cleanly. And it's

33:17

vastly as bad as quickly as should say

33:19

as possible. so it's like you have to

33:21

to it's it's kind exactly to your point,

33:23

will watch in the same exact thing. but.

33:26

On one hand, you could go. Oh,

33:28

I've watched and listened to Cooper cop

33:30

talk about how valuable a shoulder dip

33:32

speed really says we're as okay. You

33:34

watch another all pro receiver tell you

33:36

a. Him A It's A it's great

33:38

and college can't really do it as much in

33:41

the Nfl, so it all just kind of depends

33:43

on how athletic you are, how much it is

33:45

a natural part of your dame and so it

33:47

is meant as good as the part of this

33:49

is That kind of fascinating is being able to

33:52

see the same things and almost com to different

33:54

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35:06

a good running back class. Me: you know there's

35:08

no bees are no be going in the first

35:10

round blah blah blah. Am

35:13

I wrong to like this running back

35:15

class? Like? I don't know. There's a

35:17

consensus, you know, one, two, three top

35:19

guys, but I like a lot of

35:22

them. I think we're going to get

35:24

half a dozen magenta mutely useful. like

35:26

contributing running backs this year, even if

35:28

they're not every down bell cows which

35:30

frankly, almost nobody is using any way

35:32

anymore. What think is true, but

35:35

I think that's also the problem, right is

35:37

that we feel like we have that conclusion

35:39

every year where we go there. I mean

35:41

beyond obviously an exception, but you know we

35:43

just go. Oh, you know there's there's one

35:45

guy at the top and then I just

35:47

think it's a bunch of guys who are

35:49

really going around out to league. Wealth said

35:51

some point. it's a numbers game centers just

35:53

not enough sponsor running back. So I agree

35:55

with you completely. I think there's a lot

35:57

of backs here. split the same conversation with

35:59

linebackers, right? You're talking to somebody about this

36:01

be other day. Lose a lot of linebackers that

36:03

I think. Could. Be decent, get players

36:05

and special teams players and I kind of

36:08

feel the same about these running backs. Like

36:10

there's a lot of guys who could be

36:12

committee players short yardage blacks, you know, home

36:14

run hitters if you want to put them

36:16

in that situation on goal line guys pass

36:18

protection guys this a handful. Those players just

36:20

amaze. Matter of. Where they

36:23

fall but I don't. Hate

36:25

the Running Back class as much as I feel

36:27

like a lot of other people do. I think.

36:30

Johnson Brooks to me is.

36:32

My. Clear Rb one I I don't really

36:34

have reservations about that. I like Zealand right

36:36

from Tennessee a lot as my are be

36:39

too I think he's got really good athleticism

36:41

showcase the exposing this of the combine he

36:43

got good hands but he's got most importantly

36:45

what I think is the best pass protecting

36:47

our tape out there have any of the

36:49

backs I think that versatility in that athleticism

36:52

combinations. huge form it's wise Rb to for

36:54

me and then you can lot of other

36:56

guys to like kill lights. Blink Koran

36:58

ah trade Benson, Bucky Irving I guess the

37:00

may you know like a lot of these

37:03

beauty just you see working out of the

37:05

Nfl level of meat for as controlled as

37:07

as good as vision as as bleak Warm

37:09

has mean if he just continues to be

37:12

healthy ah he continues to get back to

37:14

what he was before de tour as they

37:16

use a C alrighty towards a cel them

37:18

two years ago in the I was taking

37:21

ah I'm if you made healthy this is

37:23

affected his patient running back in the Nfl

37:25

so. I. Agree, The

37:27

I don't' Just because

37:29

there's not a bead on Robinson this class doesn't

37:31

mean we're not going to get a handful. The

37:33

guys? that could be. Ah, I'm backed by committee.

37:36

Fantasy. Football relevant like all kinds of

37:38

stuff. Yeah I mean I decided the

37:40

the most teams are not using an

37:42

every down bell cow. the can do

37:45

everything anyway right? So being limited to

37:47

a specific there are simply not being

37:49

able to carry the ball three times

37:51

a season in addition of fifty targets

37:53

in addition day in all the snatching

37:55

at the place like the that role

37:57

is reserved for like three guys anyway

37:59

nobody else is doing that so you

38:01

can still be you know, James Cook

38:03

or whatever. not beat not having that

38:06

wrong. You can still be like a

38:08

really high level flair and you could

38:10

talk me into like half a dozen

38:12

different guys coming out of his draft

38:14

class and being Rb one arm and

38:16

being like taught tear. Me: You

38:18

know, maybe not elite Christian Mccaffrey type

38:21

players, but like serious Nfl contributors, like

38:23

useful. Positive. Part of a

38:25

bank field. I

38:27

think the question becomes. What

38:30

sands do with that information right? A lot

38:32

of people think that these think the word

38:34

replace to they say okay will they don't

38:36

have any value at all on Rajasthan until

38:38

the fourth round. Whenever I I but. To.

38:42

Get I just I would push back on that and I think

38:44

they were going to get. A

38:46

lotta running backs. it's still end up

38:48

going on draft share that he's probably

38:50

going to be a lot of guys

38:52

and third round but once you see

38:54

that first team. Take a chance

38:56

on a running back and then I think

38:59

it will be a waterfall. After that nothing

39:01

will cancel discussing. I could see Jonathan Brooks

39:03

or tail and right arm or even Blake

39:05

Coral my thing going somewhere in the second

39:08

round. It and that really starting a run

39:10

to were all the sudden. Maybe we don't

39:12

get it back until. I

39:14

don't have picked forty five and destroying the

39:16

never get forty five, Picks fifty, whatever it

39:18

is. But then from pick fifty to one

39:20

on one at the end of the third

39:22

round, right. Maybe. We have five go

39:24

off towards six go off the board so it's

39:26

just not as prioritize in the top fifty. but

39:29

that doesn't mean that a lot of these guys

39:31

are scrubs or the not going to get enough.

39:34

Of chances, I just think that us, it's all

39:36

the i see it pay alimony necessarily advocating that

39:38

they should get drafted higher than they're going to.

39:40

I just think we should have, But it seems

39:42

that. There. Is no first rounder in

39:44

most people's eyes is equated with. This is

39:46

a bad draft class where is actually a

39:49

ton of running backs in the Nfl are

39:51

not drafted in the first round. The draft

39:53

at lower down anyway. it's this is like

39:55

the ideal running back draft where nobody's going

39:57

to go high if you need one. Going

40:00

to be available in the second or third round

40:02

is where he should be taken him anyway and

40:04

you might just walking like if you told me

40:06

that next year trade Benson was going step in

40:08

the Nfl immediately, be a twelve hundred yard back

40:11

who contributes well in all areas. It wouldn't shock

40:13

me in the slightest and you might stumble into

40:15

him like in the third round without avenue give

40:17

anything up to make it happen like it's the

40:19

perfect for running backs. And tray

40:22

been to be twelve hundred yard back in the

40:24

Nfl would in fact shock me because he never

40:26

had over thousand yards. and any point when he

40:28

was in college. my see what you're so obviously.

40:31

Whatever he's built for it, he's ready to

40:33

make it happen. Lucky's that you. Are you what

40:35

we see? Eddie.running Back Rankings: I

40:37

haven't formally put them into rankings, but

40:39

I do like you one. Amundsen I'm

40:41

I'm confused because like I said, you

40:43

could taught me this: Six different guys

40:45

being running back one in this class.

40:47

smearing. I'm reasonably wedded to his blade.

40:49

Corn would we will be my running

40:51

back. Wanna thank. Attack

40:53

but like two sides and only you know what are

40:56

we were like. Who. Was did it

40:58

was the end up coming in I was

41:00

like to twenty one right as he super

41:02

athletic why I think him and in in

41:04

a running back class where we're really looking

41:07

for athletes. I. Think Benson

41:09

and Jail and right from Tennessee

41:11

are. Clearly it's like athletic

41:13

enough to really succeed the Nfl level.

41:15

The thing that worries me about Tree

41:17

Benson is. I think

41:19

he wants to win with athleticism little too

41:21

much and you just don't get a lot

41:23

of that in the Nfl. Now that I

41:25

will be honest. That also worried me about

41:27

Tennis Walker right? When. We.

41:30

Was at Michigan State. He

41:32

just wanted to about everything out to

41:35

the outside. The second even silt a

41:37

thread between the tackles. He's like ah,

41:39

Ahmet, the satellite Yamashita and. That

41:42

normally doesn't work at the Nfl level because

41:44

corners are better at run defense linebackers and

41:46

run fast as a sideline. and normally they

41:48

just catch you before you ever do something.

41:50

Walker was strong enough and I think developed

41:52

good enough vision especially in Seattle to be

41:55

able to find some those cut back lanes

41:57

and become a really really good player. So.

42:00

Since we're gonna see more but I don't

42:02

think he has the same kind of vision.

42:04

Can. Anticipation The walker does

42:06

the so instead. I

42:09

just I'm worried the he's going to try

42:11

to out run everybody at the Nfl level

42:13

and they're just so very few players that

42:15

can actually do that. So I like Benson.

42:18

I. Had him as my Rb one

42:20

going into the year because his force

42:22

missed tackle rape her attempt was not

42:25

in twenty Twenty two. Using Zero Point

42:27

Five One, that's almost. It's

42:30

almost point one zero higher than Bees or

42:32

Robinson's Best Season when he was nuts how

42:34

much this guy was making people miss. Be

42:36

watches tape and you go Okay. He's

42:39

making people miss more so because he's

42:41

hitting a rushing lane any turn on

42:43

the Jets. More. So than he

42:46

is like really sad and guys up

42:48

really feeling open space really well. Be.

42:50

Are using agility using one cut ability?

42:52

Ah, using his foot work out that

42:55

he can't. He just again doesn't do

42:57

it. As often as so,

42:59

That kind of worries me about Benson, as is

43:01

him being a little lot. Athlete or

43:03

straight line speed dependent when it comes

43:05

the Nfl level. Yeah, my first run

43:07

through of the running backs. He was

43:10

my running back three, but he's the

43:12

most like prototypical Nfl athlete of the

43:14

group. you know? yeah I would. I

43:16

would agree. he was his com by

43:18

numbers. So six foot, two, sixteen. I

43:20

ran a four three nine with a

43:23

one five to split thirty three and

43:25

a half or ten foot too broad

43:27

jump. I mean these are high level

43:29

Nfl athlete numbers are just firing up

43:31

the ass. The new Pff. Tracking data

43:33

metrics? You're you're on my

43:36

side right like weekend. Formally

43:38

on this show collectively. Now.

43:40

Argue that Gar. Is

43:43

is not. The term that

43:45

this thing should be when the open

43:47

goal of gas is sitting right there.

43:50

Game Athleticism score instead of game athleticism

43:52

Rating: Gas is what this thing should

43:54

be called. Garth is an error in

43:57

judgment from somebody and needs to be

43:59

corrected. Or have to say too many times

44:01

live on this show. I

44:04

would agree one hundred percent tax on because

44:06

I. Obviously it's you know?

44:09

Topical as well as it conveys the point

44:11

the you want the is to it's too

44:14

easy. This guy is all data sizes. Guys

44:16

running low on gas? it's to it's right

44:18

there to notice when you go on gas.

44:20

yeah the tank is full. you know, like

44:23

it's all right there it is. Run in

44:25

with premium. Is right that

44:27

sitting right there to and open goal just tap

44:29

it into the net instead somebody when I bear

44:31

when gar and now that we're stuck with. Anyway,

44:34

I fired off the gar on that

44:36

and Bff Ultimate, Just curious where Tray

44:39

Benson was. He ranks almost right, the

44:41

very top of their the max speed

44:43

type metrics, right? He's only by in

44:45

jail and right a thing. from there,

44:47

the top guys were in talk about

44:50

and then when I fire up his

44:52

individual page if I can find that

44:54

particular thing right now, talk amongst yourselves

44:56

when I find that overview. getting rid

44:58

of. This. Will be better than

45:00

the other day. hopefully when I when

45:03

Steve try to get a seat. the

45:05

load from at ten minutes ninety second

45:07

percentile ninety second point six percent of

45:09

the year before so ninety say I

45:11

were talking about your athlete is my

45:14

point. We tried Benson which is both

45:16

verified and combine measures and pff gar

45:18

ah. Which. Has no I'm

45:20

done. Henceforth will be known as gas on

45:22

this show regardless of whether the people above

45:24

believe bought by about real change is that

45:27

his name he was voted down. Once

45:30

I haven't spoken to the source of

45:32

whoever actually determine the gar was directed

45:34

correct way for so far. ah you

45:36

included that's have five different people all

45:39

of whom voted gas Somebody somewhere is

45:41

voting gar and I don't know that

45:43

person is but they're wrong and it's

45:45

a war crime and it should cease

45:47

now. With

45:50

our stand for raising I think.

45:54

Some. Race for Dame Athleticism rating

45:56

and said a school athleticism and.

45:59

Scores. The wrong. She's wrong and

46:01

is. Very. I view on

46:03

a diesel in Are you going to get

46:05

a big back Who can run fast here?

46:07

You just be. I gaze run of diesel

46:09

very few times in life. Is there a

46:11

hard and fast black and white? Right or

46:14

wrong? Right. It's all layers of great shades

46:16

of grey. It's all you know that on

46:18

the hand. This on the other hand that

46:20

this is is it's wrong, It's wrong and

46:22

it shouldn't be allowed to persist. And I

46:24

think on this show we should stand up

46:26

for what's right and what's right is Pff

46:28

das a man Miles on a man I'm

46:30

with you. I'm on board. Somebody we need

46:32

arises. I'll write my congressman even so we

46:34

could buy ice. Yeah. Some be clipped

46:36

and senate. The Chris. And get it done

46:38

from the top. Yeah. Just but

46:41

just a blackout. My screen now. I

46:45

feel similarly right? anybody? if the video

46:47

to me reality clip or put the

46:49

I put the picture Steve I just

46:52

superimposed over your screen. the city, a

46:54

fist. Fight

46:56

what else we were to cover the draft

46:59

we have any at any questions and the

47:01

chat. otherwise we're outta here. Slick an hour

47:03

I don't have a chat pull ups I

47:05

can see it. The Chapel love you we

47:07

are. You even invested in the show the

47:09

sitting there with without the chat while not

47:11

be my needs ending are not mentally it's

47:13

not emotionally know what was his busy sounding

47:15

off and you have no idea what he's

47:17

talking about in the chat industrial with issue

47:19

was while yelling at us about he was

47:21

bitching about Lawrence Taylor not dropping into coverage

47:23

a while ago. I haven't checked since. He.

47:26

He wants it to says no hobby not.

47:29

Ah when. Ah what

47:31

else is happening the last couple days? If at

47:34

all the franchise out and my son by St.

47:36

Lawrence Taylor person I'd tell me better coverage and

47:38

Derrick Brooks he liked off Joe Montana can argue

47:40

with that. Ah man to get

47:43

to pick six against Joe Montana. Usher

47:45

doesn't get better. Not yet. will hit

47:47

ah will hit the franchise tags in

47:49

free agency. In all I kind of

47:51

stuff tomorrow with Brad Spielberg or the

47:54

great Brad Spielberg. Ah the chat his

47:56

ass. Time to shine man. But.

47:58

it is time for sure it's

48:00

it's it's It's Brad's season right

48:02

now. It's Brad's spiel season. The

48:06

chat is asking how you guys feel

48:08

about Braylon Allen. So that was from

48:10

Sniper, I believe. How do you feel

48:13

about Braylon Allen? I

48:16

didn't love him. I

48:19

get it. He's really young. He's

48:22

very productive. He's

48:24

a giant. And I think he moves straight

48:26

line speed pretty well for his size. The

48:29

thing that bugged me the most about Braylon Allen is

48:31

I actually think he's got decent footwork for a player

48:33

of his size too. Like that was a plus of

48:35

his game. I don't think

48:37

he's a... I just didn't feel like

48:39

he was a big time playmaker in space. And when

48:41

you are a running back, the

48:44

way that I give you value

48:46

is how good are you

48:48

athletically or mentally at getting

48:52

to open space, right? Because that's what

48:54

the job is all about. You are

48:56

behind five giant men when you get

48:58

handed the ball. Their job

49:00

is to block for you. Your job is

49:02

to read it. And ultimately you are trying

49:04

to do what? Find open

49:06

space. You're trying to get beyond the offensive line, read

49:09

it well enough to get to the linebacker level, get

49:11

to the safeties, get to the corners, and to pick

49:13

up a ton of yards after that. That's really where

49:15

the value comes when you are a running back. I

49:18

didn't feel like when

49:20

Braylon Allen got that open

49:22

space, he did enough with

49:24

it. I didn't feel like he became that playmaker

49:27

that I wanted him to become, even with the

49:29

athleticism that I see from him behind

49:31

the line of scrimmage. So I'm a

49:33

little bit reserved there. Anytime

49:36

there's kind of like RB vision questions,

49:38

that's something that weighs pretty heavily into

49:40

my scouting report. And then not

49:42

really knowing what to do when you get into

49:44

space is something that I don't love either. It

49:46

felt like he was kind of running towards contact

49:48

more than he needed to, which makes sense. He's

49:50

a bigger guy, but still, I

49:53

would like to see him do more with a lot

49:55

of that open space. So I do like the footwork for

49:57

his size. I obviously love his size. I love the... He's

50:00

a younger prospect. Love how productive he

50:02

was. I just have

50:04

questions on how he sees the field And

50:06

that's never gonna grade well for me if I think that ever

50:08

running back So I

50:10

I try and generally avoid, you know

50:13

crazy hyperbole when it comes to draft

50:15

prospects So I

50:17

say that to preface what I'm about

50:19

to say with Braylon Allen that this

50:21

was this is not hyperbole When

50:24

I first put on his tape I

50:26

genuinely checked that there wasn't a problem

50:28

with the video player that it was

50:30

like running slow for some reason That

50:32

it you know Wasn't like glitching out and running at 80%

50:35

speed or just sort of slowing down

50:37

for some thing He is let me

50:39

read you my notes on Braylon Allen

50:43

Honestly, the tape felt like it was in slow

50:45

motion compared with the other running backs I've watched

50:47

so far He looks like one of the

50:49

least explosive athletes I've ever seen Solid

50:52

lateral cuts for a guy that size Powers

50:54

good when he's up to speed he can run

50:56

over people kind of like if you just put

50:58

a defensive end at running back Probably

51:01

a bad sign for a guy that size

51:03

that the best thing he does is East

51:05

West cuts and looks to bounce it outside

51:09

He reminded me a little bit of remember James

51:11

Starks for the Packers who was

51:13

actually really quite a big running back But

51:16

like tried to be Reggie Bush and everything

51:18

he did was trying to bounce it outside

51:20

and gain yardage Like if you're

51:22

gonna be Braylon Allen Embrace it

51:24

and be Braylon Allen and run right

51:26

into the teeth of the

51:28

defense every single time You can't

51:31

be that size and try and be a

51:33

small NFL

51:36

defenses are too fast good and strong. You're not

51:39

gonna get that done. I Don't

51:42

like Braylon Allen as a prospect a lot.

51:44

I just don't really see that working

51:46

at the NFL level He also didn't

51:48

run the 40 or any of the agility drills Yeah,

51:55

I mean I find it difficult I will

51:57

say though you see that picture he posted of him like 17

52:00

Jacked out of his mind. He

52:02

was like lifting. He was doing curls or something, right? Just

52:04

had a bar. He was like 17 when

52:07

he got to Wisconsin. Yeah, so it was

52:09

him presumably early in the Early

52:11

in his time there in the weight room,

52:13

right? Doing a I don't forget what it

52:15

was like a curl barbell curl or something

52:17

Just like look like a photograph out of

52:20

like men's health magazine, right? And

52:22

then JJ Watt quote tweeted it friend of

52:24

the show by friend. I mean hater Yeah,

52:27

of course quote tweeted it with like

52:29

what the hell this was me when I was 17 and

52:31

just posted some picture of Him looking like

52:33

a gangly 17 year old with a football

52:35

helmet on it's like we're different world of

52:37

human You know what I mean? I

52:40

actually like this JJ Watt friend of the show

52:42

bit. You should keep this going. I Don't

52:45

I don't know if you could see it when we

52:47

started the show But Jordan was backstage when we were

52:49

when we were starting the show and when I Purposely

52:52

looked up to watch his camera

52:54

when the JJ Watt PFF socks

52:56

part came with the intro George

52:58

just started laughing Yeah,

53:02

unfortunately, I don't think it was at first you could at first

53:04

he like picked his head up and he was like Somebody

53:08

like hijacked the show and then he realized that that

53:11

was actually part of the intro. Yeah, unfortunately I don't

53:13

think it was live on camera at the time But

53:15

I did that the guys in the booth over there

53:17

told me we got a chuckle out of Jordan when

53:19

I came on No, this

53:21

is what we do here if you're gonna find if there's

53:23

media out there that's willing to sound off on PFF We're

53:25

probably gonna put you in the intro. That's how the show

53:28

works I'm

53:31

gonna do it next because I want to get I want to be

53:33

in the intro now You don't can't you know, we don't care. We've

53:35

already did some Probably just get fired.

53:37

Anyway, so they probably just wouldn't wouldn't work

53:39

for me. I'd achieve my dream, but at what

53:41

cost yeah, exactly It's it's it's a Pyrrhic

53:43

victory, you know, you would have you would have

53:46

won the battle but lost the war That's

53:48

what would happen there. All right, we're

53:50

out of here. This is craziness We're we're gonna hit

53:52

free agency tomorrow with Brad Spielberg a big Thank you

53:54

to Trevor Sycamore for showing up today and talking draft

53:56

with us and of course Jordan Reed go check out

53:58

his mock draft We will talk to you all

54:01

tomorrow. Thanks for listening!