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Have a great day. Boom. Welcome

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in to the PFF NFL podcast,

1:20

Steve Palazzolo, Sam Monson. Live

1:22

on YouTube. It's Wednesday morning. How

1:25

you doing, Sam? How much of that do you think made

1:28

the intro? You screaming at me, laughing at it. They give

1:30

us a countdown to go live. And at

1:32

two I yelled, ah, you know, like, oh,

1:34

no, we're going live. And I, you know, not

1:36

saying the countdown's off, but what if they were off by

1:38

a little bit? I don't know if that came through. Yeah.

1:40

Well, you don't know how much of a buffer they give

1:42

you, right? Whether it's actual real time or if it's like

1:44

if I give you the countdown. He doesn't mess it up.

1:46

You know, if I give you a countdown plus or minus

1:48

a second, then if they say something stupid, we're still good.

1:52

Everybody loves mock drafts, Sam. Everybody

1:54

loves them. We did our mock the other day. People loved

1:56

it. People loved it. You can tell by the comments. They

1:58

loved every move that we made. I don't. I don't think that's

2:00

true. You said some of

2:02

the comments were toxic. Well,

2:04

I said, I went, I mean, the

2:07

comments were toxic, and

2:09

they were so toxic that it led me to, like,

2:12

does every mock get this? Because, you know,

2:14

it's a constant joke that every mock on

2:16

Twitter or whatever, it's, ah, worst mock ever,

2:18

everyone's complaining, right? So I

2:21

looked up the stock exchange. They did

2:23

a post-combine podcast, or post-free agency podcast.

2:26

Post-free agency mock draft. I went looking

2:28

at the comments to that, they're distinctly

2:30

less toxic than ours. Now, they

2:32

haven't been around as long. Maybe they haven't found

2:34

the most toxic people on YouTube the way we

2:36

have. They have a good following, though. I think

2:38

they're generally nicer. I mean,

2:41

there was a reason why- Which leads me to think

2:43

this is something we're creating into people. There was a

2:45

reason why last year I had Trevor on the show

2:47

for the reasons for optimism

2:50

for all 32 teams. Yeah, he's an optimistic person. He's

2:52

the optimism guy. Right. I mean, this

2:54

is bringing me around to the idea that this is

2:56

probably my doing, you know? I

2:58

have fostered an environment of hatred and

3:00

toxicity. Perhaps. But as long as there's

3:03

a lot of those people, it's good. Right? So

3:05

pay the bills, Sam. Right? Toxicity. Eyeballs.

3:08

Eyeballs and ears. So today, you don't

3:11

wanna talk about the quarterback thing. Well, you

3:13

went on Monday, you're like, hey, let's not,

3:15

let's cut down the amount of time we

3:17

talk quarterbacks. We're constantly talking quarterbacks. People complain.

3:19

There's too much quarterback talk on the show.

3:21

And then I'm like, hey, what are you

3:23

doing? What do you wanna do on Wednesday?

3:25

And you're like, let's have a two-hour quarterback

3:27

discussion on whether there's an evaluation problem and

3:29

a development issue based off, was it Bucky

3:31

Brooks tweet? I wanted 15 to 20 minutes.

3:34

You didn't want 15 to 20 minutes. You wanted

3:36

like a whole show on that. You wanted to be the core

3:38

of the show, plus some mail back. Right. But

3:40

you don't wanna talk about it. I just

3:43

suggested that might look foolish, juxtaposed with your

3:45

Monday proclamation that the people complain too much

3:47

about a quarterback talk. I was more, on

3:49

Monday, I was being more specific around, like, let's

3:51

not break down JJ McCarthy's game and Caleb Williams

3:53

and Drake. Let's not go through all the strengths

3:56

and the weaknesses of why this guy or that

3:58

guy. That was all I'm saying. Okay,

4:01

so Bucky Brooks is asking

4:03

if there's a QB evaluation and development problem. He

4:05

is no That's

4:08

it. Okay, but today we're gonna we're gonna react

4:10

to other mock drafts Well, there's a few so

4:12

since we did our mock draft There were several

4:14

things that got thrown out into the ether number

4:17

one right after we Kind

4:19

of defended and praised our friend of the show

4:22

Chris Sims for being like look I like his

4:24

out there takes, you know I

4:26

liked it He does his own homework and he's not

4:28

suckered into group think and he'll put out what he

4:30

thinks and then immediately With us

4:32

to trashing Brian Thomas Jr. Is a guy we're

4:34

gonna be way lower on than everybody else Chris

4:37

Sims is like he's better than Marvin Harrison.

4:39

I'm like, come on Chris Look, I

4:41

can defend a certain level of out

4:43

there outlier take but that's going too

4:46

far. It really is anyway tomorrow We're

4:48

doing our wide receivers show tomorrow rankings.

4:51

I have been watching Holy Cross wide receivers

4:53

I am deep into the draft class. It's

4:55

gonna be great I'm excited about that show

4:57

and then today we're gonna talk We're gonna

4:59

react to a couple of other mock drafts

5:01

or put out there Daniel Jeremiah and Mel

5:03

Kiper each Throughout a mock dress

5:05

since we did ours. So tomorrow we'll talk about the fact

5:08

that Marvin Harrison jr Today Ohio State's Pro

5:10

Day has decided not To

5:12

run good for him Good

5:14

for Marvin. So people are upset need

5:16

to run who else somebody else did that recently, right?

5:18

They just went I don't need to run not

5:21

doing it on the tape How many

5:23

recent receivers just didn't Did

5:29

that recently I think After in the

5:31

cold video the cold video was awesome because you know

5:33

Jamar chase just like opted out and trained for the

5:35

combine for seven months and then ran really fast, right?

5:38

But I don't chase by the way is another

5:40

one of these guys where we got We're

5:43

in the period now of over rating over

5:45

thinking Marvin Harrison jr We had we had

5:48

Chris Sims out there doing it a bunch

5:50

of other people are saying is he really

5:52

that good? This happened

5:54

to Jalen waddle or Devonta Smith run. Yeah.

5:56

Well, one of them was injured, right? But

5:58

yeah Might

6:00

have been Smith. Drake

6:02

London didn't run. Drake London was the one who

6:05

was probably gonna run four or five lives. James

6:11

Williams was hurt. What

6:13

the hell did I say? Interrupted you. I know.

6:16

Overthinking. Yeah. Yeah. So we were we're in

6:18

the period now of overthinking Marvin Harrison Jr.

6:21

This happened to Jamar Chase as well, right? We

6:23

just got bored with Jamar Chase and started nitpicking

6:25

the fact that he was good at everything. Yeah,

6:27

but is he really special at anything? You know,

6:30

there was a serious period

6:32

of time where everyone was asking that question about

6:34

Jamar Chase. Is he actually

6:36

that good because he's just boringly good at

6:38

everything, you know? And then it turned

6:40

out we were overthinking that. Yeah. Now that's where we

6:42

are with Marvin Harrison right now. So

6:45

one other thing I want to throw out there. We did this last year

6:48

and that is draft bets. So

6:50

just like we've done before the season. And

6:52

by the way, everybody should now have their

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7:15

make sure you're done. Alright,

7:18

so I'm gonna start with I'm gonna

7:20

start with a bet then we'll react to we got a paper and you got

7:22

one back. I don't

7:24

like I don't like what

7:26

people are doing here. Yeah, I don't like what some

7:28

of our listeners are doing and you should stop it

7:31

immediately. This is addressed

7:33

to Sam and the goofy big

7:35

goofy with a trademark

7:40

You don't like that I don't I

7:42

don't cuz I enjoy that I

7:44

think that's quite funny So and

7:47

and the booth over there is laughing

7:49

around people are laughing So at the moment

7:52

the soundproof booth we can hear a mighty

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roar Yeah, so at the

7:56

moment you're out voted in terms of whether that's funny or

7:58

not From Alex Linden. The

8:00

you want a pot is always. He wants to

8:02

retract something about that lions draft last year of

8:04

whatever is a new bats am I don't remember

8:06

the specifically but he say in the spirit of

8:08

last year's will Love is falling outside the top

8:11

twenty being successful so unassuming that he he hit

8:13

on that last week some he wants to bat

8:15

the Jj Mccarthy will fall outside the top twenty.

8:17

Let's not strong enough I'll put into falling out

8:19

of the first round attic that's anyone's taught Some

8:21

coffee on it on I started falling out of

8:23

the top twenty given the hype right now Kg

8:26

Mccarthy has to be for with six seven eight

8:28

to be needy teams. I think that's a fair.

8:30

Aggressive bet? Yes, I'm so that's that's what we're

8:32

looking for here. When we do the bets before

8:34

the season, we say tell us something either that

8:36

we disagree with. You know we said hey, the

8:38

Raiders gonna be terrible in you know I'm a

8:40

Raiders fan. Are going when twelve games. be aggressive

8:43

and be bold, Step in for the draft. It

8:45

doesn't have to be something that we. Disagree

8:47

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he's gonna' was said choose chaos guess

11:00

I'm like that. Ah, He. Said

11:02

he did. The chaos at

11:04

the top of his martial arts over

11:06

it nfl.com By the way, Marcus Three

11:09

point Now for Daniel. I'm.

11:11

He's got Caleb Williams go number one of the

11:13

bears he's got. Drake may still going number two

11:15

to the washed and commanders. If I'm I'm on

11:17

board with that. I know that the odds are

11:19

in favor of gate and A knows right now.

11:21

I still am leaning Drake may both my own

11:23

preference and when I would predict. Jaden.

11:26

Dane was going number three. To patriots

11:28

kind of Turkish through three sure. And

11:30

then the move. The Minnesota

11:32

Vikings will trade up to number for We played

11:34

this game and are mock on Monday we what

11:36

we did it at number three Bryce the Vikings

11:39

trade up to number for to get a D.

11:41

Mccarthy. The. Quarterbacks of for Qb

11:43

off the board in the top floor and

11:45

in the other. Aggressive move is

11:47

the New York Jets. Trading.

11:50

Up for Marvin Harrison Junior from ten to

11:52

five to go gets the first non to

11:54

be off the board. that is was presumably

11:56

before they signed Mike Williams for the side.

11:58

Mike Williams and you know me Sam I

12:01

say get the for only playmakers Yeah is

12:03

down to feel. I don't think the Mike

12:05

Williams signing precludes a move like this, but

12:07

I will say the Jets The Jets signing

12:09

Mike Williams is a story in important story

12:12

in a good in a good job by

12:14

the Jets adding a Mike Williams showing up

12:16

the offensive line is we talked about the

12:18

other day so they're not coming in with

12:21

his massive meet. A sandwich came up trumps

12:23

the see that. They

12:25

got him a I Am agencies and

12:27

eight in some some by crazy Jets

12:29

twitter fan like all we was from

12:31

that delivered like door-them door-the man a

12:33

breakfast sandwich. That's what hot the like.

12:35

past security and stuff and they were

12:37

like tweeting at the jets. hey let

12:40

me know when you get the I

12:42

will say gets Twitter is like it

12:44

arrived, it's here and then they gave

12:46

them the New York New Jersey bagel.

12:48

Situation is legit. But. Any the

12:50

bagels like they have good bagels. Unbelievable.

12:52

That is it. Something out the water.

12:54

Whatever it is, stop something in the

12:57

water. The bagels in New York New

12:59

Jersey are different. They're just. they're different,

13:01

right? I? family members you add. My

13:03

brother was a pilot. And

13:05

when he flies through New York used to live

13:08

in Brooklyn or whatever. When you fly through New

13:10

York he stops, stock up on bagels and bring

13:12

them home. the was and own Salt Lake to

13:14

whatever. Now a brazen home and phrases I'm in.

13:16

so is his get bagels for the future that

13:18

they're that good. And that's what

13:20

kept Mike Williams in the buildings for

13:22

the damage. That I mean, it works com

13:25

ion. Yeah, it feels a little bit

13:27

like the Chicago Bears move. where am

13:29

I? don't you write that? Neither one of

13:31

them my going to the Jets or

13:33

Keenan Allen to the Bears. He

13:36

doesn't stop you drafting am.

13:39

Roman June same lead neighbors Marvin Harrison Junior

13:41

whichever wide receivers there. Now it's slightly different

13:43

because Chicago think is sitting there like

13:45

they're like if one of them lands at

13:47

nine. It. Doesn't Stop has taken

13:50

one particular yes you know Allen's from

13:52

an a long term solution etc etc.

13:54

Ah, it probably makes it very unlikely

13:56

I think to the Jets would trade

13:59

up. Get aggressive, There are going after

14:01

a guy like Marvin Harrison Junior. It, you

14:03

know doesn't preclude it, doesn't mean it can't

14:05

happen, But I think it certainly makes it

14:07

less likely. I don't

14:09

yet have a problem is a less likely I

14:11

mean that they would. they would trade up a

14:14

day or even aggressive mode. Sure in in trading

14:16

up for Marvin Harrison Junior vs. say. Waiting

14:18

on him with neighbors aroma do that. At

14:21

it. And oh, the either of those moves. Is

14:24

clear like oh, this Yamaha be Marmoset, Marvin Harrison

14:26

Junior versus somebody Other receivers means they're going to

14:28

win this year. You know that it's that big

14:31

of a deal, but I think the Jets are

14:33

an aggressive mode right? The get bigger. They traded

14:35

for Morgan Moses, they'd signs, tyrants met. They bring

14:37

in Mike Williams by the way, Mike Williams and

14:39

Tyron Smith emanate. They need to invest in a

14:41

couple extra hot dogs. Maybe you know, keep those

14:44

guys fresh, keep them healthy. And but there is

14:46

Aaron Rodgers coming off of injury. they are. Are

14:48

they changing the turf this year? It's

14:50

happening at some point is that I. Don't

14:52

know it's for future World Cup game

14:54

or Real Madrid and somebody are playing

14:56

at Metlife this summer I think so

14:59

they going have to change her for

15:01

that at the can't possibly be putting

15:03

it back only to change it later.

15:05

Any turf experts here. Know.

15:08

If I just need to turn timeline tough

15:10

time with. Anyone do the research

15:12

here for have to be changing and for the

15:14

summer because the I did no big soccer team

15:17

will play on that kind of crap. They insist

15:19

of a change it so. It. Would

15:21

seem madness to me that they would change

15:23

it back after. Changing. The

15:25

Grass only to change de Grasse again later

15:27

on in the future. Anyway,

15:30

I've. Eaten

15:32

make multiple receivers work and and in

15:34

honestly a Marvin Harrison did, I would

15:37

love this. I would love a nice

15:39

aggressive move on a like trade Enough

15:41

for players especially when there's there's a

15:43

thought and Marvin Harrison junior and bullied

15:45

neighbors and Roman doomsayer in a similar

15:47

and eight yeah, you're my only question

15:49

with this would be there sitting there

15:51

at Penn as things stand right. So

15:53

if quarterbacks go one, two, three, four.

15:57

There's three top tier wide receivers on

15:59

the board in only six remaining pigs

16:01

for five or more Moran takes before

16:03

they get it for one of them

16:05

from gets to you. My question would

16:07

be. Are we

16:09

good enough at identifying? The

16:11

best one of these three to make it

16:13

worth trading up to four to make a

16:15

half or five to make it happen rather

16:17

than just sitting there ten being fairly confident

16:20

that one of the three will be available

16:22

when we take and doing what I was

16:24

saying the bears could do and just taking

16:26

them as a good value option I would

16:28

say. We're. Probably not make

16:30

right. Think Marvin Harrison Junior should be

16:32

wide receiver one in this draft class.

16:34

I also think we have to recognize

16:37

that as a as a society where

16:39

bad enough identifying that that it's not

16:41

worth. Gambling on the Ramis

16:43

the one I remember arm. Bills.

16:46

Trading up for Sammy Watkins? Yes. And

16:48

then Mike Evans went breadsticks later. And

16:51

then Odell Beckham Jr. When a few pics later,

16:53

your and in Sammy Watkins. I mean if you

16:55

watch college football. For. A few years

16:57

there? I mean, Sammy Watkins was the dude

17:00

over it's constant. He was unbelievable, but that

17:02

was one of those state there's. There's.

17:04

A lot of high and puts a potential receivers in

17:07

this class. yeah you really want and they went up

17:09

from like ten or twelve and then went way up.

17:11

To. Go get him. And clearly Sammy Watkins

17:13

was not better. The Mike Evans and Lbj

17:16

maybe some alright. I mean Sammy Watkins was.

17:18

Yes, the injuries makes that is fuzzier argument.

17:20

I would point to that that twenty twenty

17:22

draft and instead and be like the consensus

17:25

in that Raf was like the top three

17:27

guys were Jerry Duty see Lamb Henry Rugs

17:29

right and it was in some order one

17:31

of those three that your favorites. Good example

17:34

Rugs ended up being a number one guy

17:36

right rhymes and then it was it. a

17:38

C Lamb and and her and. Jury.

17:40

Duty and just in Jefferson has been by

17:42

far the best wide receiver in that draft

17:45

class right? And Avi went out famously when

17:47

after Jan Raiders have a fourth one pick

17:49

after and Brian am Ryan Brand in our

17:51

youth was wide receiver. Six right with four

17:53

is wide receiver seven there to the most

17:55

coveted receivers in the Nfl right now right?

17:57

I said wanted to. The point being is.

18:00

You know if you are going to aggressively trade

18:02

off to go get the number one guy in

18:04

that draft class. Whether you thought it was Henry

18:06

Rugs, Jerry Duty City Lamb, you might have have

18:08

nailed it if he taken Cd land but you

18:11

still would be. look at insane. I mean just

18:13

And Jefferson was better we could a state where

18:15

we were and gotten him. I'm just saying if

18:17

you're the jets and you want to be that

18:19

aggressive let's go get one more weapon. I would

18:22

sit where I am a tan rather than go

18:24

after the guy the think is the best. Plato,

18:26

Pluto. From. Italico to get

18:28

us when we get the Jj Watt know much.

18:31

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18:33

people want Jj Watt on the podcast wanted wants

18:35

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18:39

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18:41

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18:43

great break them all down. Yeah, How

18:45

in Africa? Peer pressure Jt wanted to come in on the

18:47

show. Not for act in a

18:49

confrontation to talk and at. I'm

18:52

ready for conference. A sprinkle You're ready. Bring your

18:54

buddy. I mean up. I would

18:56

be very cordial which ha ha. I also

18:58

realize I've I've intimidated some other former Nfl

19:00

players. the fourth I tell you know on

19:02

was intimidated by my yeah same well so

19:05

we somebody your Thomas was not they were

19:07

tweeting i have a hand size thing right?

19:09

and apparently Tale of the Ones got very

19:11

little hands for of for a large man

19:14

that explain why you on the other hand

19:16

awesome have record setting and size for an

19:18

Nfl athlete. rights I think that's what we

19:20

need to get the intimidation factor. you need

19:23

a handshake the person to other things up

19:25

my ass. Wants to bring back

19:27

my granted I would love to have run

19:29

or on the show at some point here.

19:31

Delayed: Michael the late but still live migraineur

19:34

might has also drops a Johnny Wilson wide

19:36

receiver for so tomorrow's wide receiver rankings. Care.

19:39

Way to figure out on a wide receiver for

19:41

what you've been tweeted out for through fifteen. says.

19:44

It can't just a mess. mad. can't wait to

19:46

hear what everyone in the chat. Wide receiver for

19:48

his can tell you not Charlie Wilson. for me

19:50

it's probably not animals s other interesting things and

19:52

Dana Jeremiah his mark in one of their yet

19:54

so I'm I'm with you Like to trade up

19:56

for a wide receiver. Risky. We know this and

19:58

I've been saying this. Especially whatever you're gonna

20:01

give up. multiple players. Go get Harrison right?

20:03

But the Jets are an aggressive mode so

20:05

it's an interesting thoughts are Daniel has believe

20:07

neighbors gonna die down give whole thing away,

20:09

get to go click on it. But of

20:11

ah Joe Altos the Titans I love that

20:13

fed of set up for the Falcons. Take

20:15

Dallas Turner at a in. As I said

20:17

before I the the Falcons at eight at

20:19

there's an interesting spot for the Falcons. The

20:21

Bears am. Those. Two teams that don't

20:23

have to force like the Bears have done

20:25

the other work at receiver. Now that they

20:27

don't have to force a receiver pick, the

20:30

Falcons and Bears have an opportunity take the

20:32

best defensive players on the board and I

20:34

know this is an authentic heavy draft and

20:36

every mock draft as authentic players going for

20:38

the first six, eight, ten picks, but that

20:40

isn't appealing. Best. Edge

20:42

Best corner available at Eight Nine for

20:45

the Falcons in the Bears and we

20:47

see that whatever, whatever you think of

20:49

Dallas Turner, a Falcons have top defensive

20:52

player on the board, there's a realistic

20:54

chance they'll have their pick of their

20:56

top defensive player at your am. I

20:58

think though the other giant headline coming

21:01

out is my draft is that that

21:03

little quarterback desperate alley that previously was

21:05

Minnesota Denver? Ah Vegas. On. The

21:08

set oakland next am. The Vikings

21:10

go get their guy they trade out to

21:12

go get Jj Mccarthy the Broncos pass on

21:14

a quarterback in the first round do not

21:16

select one and number twelve. Overall, they went

21:18

with Broth Bowers instead, which. Pretty. Fun

21:20

but who's your quarterback? And then the

21:23

Raiders? Select. Michael, Pentagon

21:25

Jr. As their quarterback

21:27

number thirteen over off. All.

21:29

Of this lights. Pays. His stock

21:31

will be around higher if we just take out

21:33

the national title game. Apparently they did.

21:36

The greatest is web app. Pretend that didn't

21:38

happen. And then Michael Pena que new

21:40

number thirteen. Overall, exactly where people were saying he

21:42

was going to go right before the game. Apis

21:44

Doing mock drafts for all thirty teams are difficult

21:46

because you're sitting there in the Daniels looking at

21:48

the same. Okay, the Broncos need a quarterback. As

21:50

we mentioned, we talked through this the other day.

21:52

they don't have a second round pick. What the

21:54

heck they're going to do with what are they

21:56

going to do in the first forty bees or

21:58

off the board? That could be. In this position

22:00

health so Daniel just goes with Able To

22:03

Rock Powers. He damn it felt like for

22:05

the Broncos he did not want to predict

22:07

them say core of what forcing a T

22:09

V. but he's okay with the Raiders and

22:12

I Again, I have no idea how much

22:14

when an insider. Like Daniel, Jeremiah,

22:16

Mel Kiper they're happy inside or half evaluate

22:18

or sprite com. Maybe Mel's more insider now

22:20

than evaluate or whatever it is A I

22:23

wonder how much of that is just I

22:25

I know Sean Payton won't value or Michael

22:27

panics or yeah they'll make a move for

22:29

a bone next later he of would what

22:32

would the thinking as but it's interesting to

22:34

see Panics his name in the top thirteen

22:36

and I feel like the bus has soured

22:38

a little bit. On panics we're only

22:40

talking about the top four, but panics going

22:43

in the top fit for our top fifteen

22:45

I think is absolutely possible. Yeah, absolutely. I

22:47

mean this was. It's. What we're saying

22:49

like if you if he simply remove that

22:51

game the one game from his resume. We.

22:54

Are talking about a guy that was seen

22:56

as amid first rounder who is who stock

22:58

was going up. And then I

23:00

one game app and a thing I second rank I

23:02

max there are you Sagarin option for teams teams that

23:04

don't want to take a guy in the first round.

23:06

you can come back in the second get Michael Thanks

23:08

Union I mean. It. It's it's

23:11

the opposite of that Cj stride conversation

23:13

how much should weigh one game vs

23:15

everything else because that's what's happening is

23:17

not raining amp the other. The other

23:19

question would panic says gonna be while

23:21

the the early injuries and in in

23:23

they they argued he compare that aren't

23:26

last July two. Who. By the way

23:28

does nineteen to the Rams here and we

23:30

had a question I think in the comments

23:32

about his his medical right I think lot

23:35

to and panics the medical always comes up

23:37

in conversation but I think of can I

23:39

say that again I don't know how much

23:41

how true this is necessarily out of total

23:44

two teams so I think it's gonna land.

23:47

In the positive for those were just for

23:49

people who don't know what is Lattice Medical.

23:51

Situation. He was. I'm.

23:54

Trevor has the full story right? He'd asked him

23:56

at the Senior Bowl that he was medically retired

23:59

at Washington, right? And. It was.

24:02

I. Think it was like a little extreme. Because.

24:04

It comes across as it was a little

24:06

extreme, those kind of forced a little bit.

24:08

He added it was a neck injury. I

24:10

had a neck injury and the team essentially

24:12

the teams medical staff effectively determined that that

24:14

it was best for him not to play

24:16

on through it. And

24:19

they retired him and then he went

24:21

elsewhere and other people have had like

24:23

recovered rehab center a second opinion and

24:25

then other people a sense you have

24:27

determined now you're good result so that's

24:29

what I'm saying I feel like.is. Probably.

24:32

Enough in the rearview mirror that

24:34

will be okay. And then the panic's

24:37

moon. He had to a

24:39

yells at Indiana right else for five years

24:41

ago and it's another one. He's played three

24:43

full season since that point. And.

24:46

He's a little bit older you know maybe they'd

24:48

than comes and but I think that's enough in

24:50

the rearview mirror that people are concerned about. Handle

24:52

the idea does give tyranny cel and really are.

24:55

Yeah I mean we seen enough players have multiple

24:57

a year a cel tears and still been phone

24:59

so functional Nfl players. after that it's I like

25:01

to a cel. Tears equals chronic knee problems. Like.

25:05

Thomas Davis any tear went back to bank like

25:07

years. The same a L A Pop pop. Two.

25:10

Consecutive seasons and them came back. It's

25:12

not he on a cel again. I've

25:15

never tore my cel, so I would

25:17

be. I'm not speaking from a position

25:19

of experience, but they become relatively routine

25:22

injuries in today's Nfl. It's not like

25:24

assuming there's no, you know, additional ancillary

25:26

damage when you do the a Cel.

25:28

It's not like you're going to have

25:30

permanent knee problems just because you torn

25:32

a cel. Even if you dare ah,

25:34

an Ac, or more than once it,

25:36

it doesn't necessarily mean the man's knees

25:38

are, you know, Balsa wood. The.

25:41

Other it's at some other instinct next to

25:43

me on. The. Twenty five to

25:45

Thirty range. A bunch of players who are

25:47

they are getting more Top Fifteen type A

25:49

high for Marius Memes attack lot of Georgia.

25:51

He went twenty five to Packers, twenty seven

25:54

and twenty eight to the defensive tackles Byron

25:56

Murphy. The second cost Arizona. I. Think

25:58

that was one of our sense, wasn't it? We didn't

26:00

burn Murphy hours on interests and Dodgers

26:02

Newton trees on June. even. During.

26:04

The Bills or Twenty Eight he prefers Johnny

26:06

right? They're sooo we've had this declaration is

26:08

our way I believe. So where John enough?

26:10

Ah but those two defensive tackles at a

26:13

you and I struggles we we looked at

26:15

damn consider them all the way through the

26:17

teens and bit of landing in the late

26:19

twenties and are mock draft on Monday and

26:21

not damage or my or something similar with

26:23

yesterday and stacks. Wide

26:25

receivers as well. So this is supposed

26:27

to be I'm I'm very torn on

26:30

what the dynamic with a wide receiver

26:32

position is going to be. Kiss on

26:34

the one hand, I got

26:36

read this I yesterday like the other half

26:39

of that ranking for through fifteen is kay

26:41

on C B Just like throw down any

26:43

or do you like because they're all insane

26:45

A really good the flips that are that

26:48

the. Other half of that

26:50

tweet is, if you want a wide receiver in

26:52

the second or third round, it's Christmas for you

26:54

right now. Like they're so many of those guys.

26:56

So I'm torn on what the effect of that

26:59

is going to be certain in the first round.

27:01

On the one hand, you look at this essay,

27:03

there are fifteen or twenty wide receivers come in

27:05

at this class that are going to be good

27:07

Nfl players are needed, a guy in the first

27:10

round I can wait and game and the second

27:12

and get him in the third. I'm on the

27:14

other hand, they're going to be seven or eight

27:16

guys that have a first round grade. In abstract

27:18

terms, So how many them actually going

27:20

to go in the first round? He just

27:22

take the guy cause is good news value

27:25

or d say now this is such a

27:27

good I'm gonna wait and get to receive

27:29

related. Let's look at the last couple years

27:31

just deserts. Let's go through this last couple

27:33

years as an example. So last year Jackson

27:35

Smith unshakable was the first receiver off the

27:37

border twenty And then there was a run

27:39

screen johnston a twenty to say flowers or

27:41

twenty three Jordan Addison It's for all and

27:43

remember last year there was no consensus Number

27:45

One it was are there was mostly between

27:47

Smith injured by and Jordan Addison. Some. People

27:49

to love say flowers. Some people really

27:51

believed in Quinn Johnston, but it was

27:53

seen as a weaker. Group. Of

27:56

first round receivers right, two thousand and

27:58

twenty two. Was. That monster

28:00

year were you know Again, we say

28:02

this every year everybody's gonna have a

28:04

different number one wide receiver. And Drake

28:06

London was the first receiver off the

28:08

board at eight. and then the run

28:10

was much earlier. right? Darren Wilson at

28:13

ten, press a lobby and eleven to

28:15

him, civilians and twelve. John Thompson at

28:17

sixteen and then Trailing Barks at eighteen

28:19

that felt like. Those.

28:21

Guys were all expected to go on the first round.

28:24

And went to go on the first round. On.

28:26

The two thousand. Twenty. One

28:28

class trip that you mention. The. From.

28:31

Our chase year to march a steel and waddle

28:33

devices smith five six ten at Zola. but a

28:35

drop off color is Tony men Russian of eight

28:37

Minutes when he and Twenty Seven swords aren't five,

28:40

six and four receivers in the first round. The

28:42

last couple years the dynamic in this class as

28:44

I think they'll be the top three. Who

28:46

all could go on? The top ten? Am

28:49

it does seem like the consensus is much

28:51

closer to Brian Thomas be in the clear

28:53

and wide receiver for some. Maybe there's a

28:55

top four as far as a consensus goes,

28:57

but how many of five through fifteen do

28:59

feel much more interchangeable than in previous years

29:01

will this year To me it's I'd you

29:03

get those first three guys. They're probably gonna

29:05

top ten picks if we assume the consensus.

29:07

going to have Ryan Thomas Junior taken the

29:09

first round as well even though we're going

29:11

to be. Different. And we're

29:13

gonna talk it out to Mar Y. were

29:15

difference on. Then you see you at

29:17

for very likely first rounders and then I

29:19

think you have like easily half a dozen

29:22

guys that wouldn't surprise me to be taken

29:24

in the first round. Like. It

29:26

would not at all shocked me

29:28

if any of the following players

29:30

are add Nine Mitchell Key on

29:32

calm and fry Franklin land Mcconkey.

29:35

Ah, I'm. Save. Your worthy Xavier

29:37

where these have you really get like the

29:39

six seven eight at a lot of these

29:41

guys. It would not shocked me if they

29:43

were taken in the first round now as he

29:45

would shock me if all them were taken

29:47

the first round or are a lot of

29:49

them. But so Dj Smokies got and I

29:51

met you're going thirty two Kansas City So

29:53

five wide receivers is his total bright Homes juniors

29:55

what does your for? And then I'd know

29:57

Mitchell the taxes wide receiver as white as.

30:00

Five And that's it. So.

30:03

That's how many? Six. Yeah,

30:06

so did. I think it's a deep wide receiver class, but

30:08

at the end of the day I don't know. We're basically

30:10

say we don't know how many end up going right in

30:12

the first round. I think

30:14

else on now on Dj Smoker

30:17

ah he has Quinney and Mitchell

30:19

think right as as cornerback one

30:21

of the board. Think

30:23

that's reason the interesting the Chargers having

30:26

traded down do not get their wide

30:28

receiver because Roman didn't say goes one

30:30

take before to the Bears and. They

30:33

end up putting police swagger. Add that

30:35

at right tackle so I'm traded away

30:37

or are good. Got written on, got

30:39

rid of all their. Assets to

30:42

skill position players. They don't get him in

30:44

the first round but we just talked about

30:46

second. Third round is why does he for

30:48

Christmas out there Night of the running. Out

30:53

of are facing ready to go to your happy

30:55

place for heavy price. Why did you just

30:57

tell not have a sign off right now

30:59

and say that the sixty percent on her

31:01

com o whether it's cousins heavens is you

31:03

concert in Kansas City both Mm parts that

31:06

are out in Bermuda. He never have to

31:08

miss a trap ever again. Sit down the

31:10

pipeline as. I'll

31:21

get to out to Mel Kiper says up

31:24

a walled over Dsp and.com were given away

31:26

too much Carbonell. Ah

31:28

yes, Godfather of Nfl draft

31:31

coverage. I'll tell you what, it was

31:33

fun watching like the Ninety Seven. Draft.

31:36

And on. Do. You want to ask? gonna

31:38

can put it on the spot route? Can you do one

31:40

watch along with us. As process. Is

31:43

a better before after the draft Like I'm I'm

31:45

itching to do this for into after the draft.

31:48

Do before. That. After a

31:50

the drastic let us know software to do

31:52

so. this couple options for the watch on

31:54

I would put it into three potential buckets.

31:56

We're either going to do something super retro

31:58

which for us as. The Nineties. The Ninety

32:01

Five. Ninety Six. Ninety Seven Old School

32:03

Draft. It's gonna be. Or it's gonna

32:05

be something. Early. Pff era, but

32:07

we didn't have college data. So to

32:09

me, the two thousand and eleven draft.

32:12

Was. Fascinating. That would be an interesting one

32:14

for the reason or that your be

32:16

at Hall of Famers but in particular

32:18

that this quarterback class starting to look

32:20

a little bit like that one in

32:23

terms of rude. we've got Cam Newton

32:25

number one. and then we started to

32:27

push up all the other quarterbacks because

32:29

teams mean quarterback. But that's the dynamic

32:31

that to play right now. The Patriots,

32:33

The Vikings The Broncos That that a

32:35

Raiders. All these teams need quarterback so

32:37

we're talking Michael Panic Sooner Thirteen Overall

32:39

I mean this is screaming Christian Ponder

32:41

Jake Locker. Right Where? People.

32:44

Didn't want to take those guys in

32:46

the north around with that. So you've

32:48

got. Two. Thousand and Ten Eleven Twelve

32:50

those types of drug. Eleven is very intriguing so

32:53

we didn't have was a we didn't have

32:55

college takes at the time right? we didn't have

32:57

caused data. The at the third one would be

32:59

do we want to go back and watch

33:01

something we've never watched before because we've always been

33:03

live on the air say two Thousand and Eighteen

33:06

or two Thousand and Nineteen. So something more recent

33:08

we would be watching an Nfl network or

33:10

and E S P N broadcast for the first

33:12

time ever and reacting. And being able

33:14

to say here's what we thought at the time we

33:16

rely on the air and he was my reaction to

33:18

this pack and we up the we know what would

33:21

happen when sake One Barkley, when number Two, and what

33:23

we had suggested and what's what's happened, right? So those

33:25

be my three. Suggestions: We do

33:27

something super retro. Early, twenty

33:29

tens or whatever. and then something over the

33:31

last five, six, seven years where we actually

33:33

had takes in information and big boards and

33:35

the whole thing in comparative what happened recently.

33:37

but I would I would love to do.

33:39

I think that before. I'm.

33:42

Aren't let's go to mouth. Gets

33:44

eaten data so Chilblains number one, he's got

33:46

to eat and Dana's go number two. He

33:49

also mail has date and Dana's as is

33:51

number two receiver not by a wide margin

33:53

over Drake mais as get them all in

33:55

there is top sex and then a distant

33:58

fourth would be j do so. Why?

34:00

Dj at quarterback one, two three. The

34:02

only difference is he flipped the order

34:04

of gain. Daniel strike me correct which

34:06

is basically Emmy This point that is

34:08

becoming. In some what

34:10

those to put together is the consensus Right

34:13

now we're getting kalebu hims number one, forget

34:15

in one of the other quarterbacks number do

34:17

in the other one number three that everybody's

34:20

mock draft garlic and then the next group

34:22

of players is very similar to details. it's

34:24

Marvin Harrison Jr. but to that Arizona Cardinals.

34:26

I was a pic earlier because there's no

34:29

tradeoffs moink neighbors to the Chargers roma do

34:31

they to the disease. So the top three

34:33

receivers boom right off the board. We go

34:35

three Qbs, three receivers and then she'll waltz

34:38

to Tennessee the Fit again and then Dallas.

34:40

Tournedos Atlanta again which you know it

34:42

seems like am a lot of the

34:44

insiders are leaning that way. Atlanta had

34:46

a taken Dallas Turner First Events player

34:49

on. yeah it's interesting that everyone's given

34:51

Giants receiver com. You know,

34:53

not a cornerback number one so they're

34:55

not taken Jj Mccarthy in these in

34:57

these situations can. Be. Like

35:00

the consensus appears the building for the Giants who

35:02

they are. Committing. To

35:04

Daniel Jones Release one more season

35:07

now. Is that because they think

35:09

we only have any and we don't

35:11

have the runway to get rid? Daniel

35:13

Jones going on that and in another

35:15

direction were tied to him for a

35:17

year and his fortunes will determine. Our

35:19

fortunes are simply can't They don't like

35:21

Garcias either way, It's. Not

35:23

a quarterback at this point. It's I may seem

35:26

to be looking to give him wide receiver help

35:28

rather than offensive line help. Hop

35:30

back at an of their assuming that the job

35:32

they've done a free agency. Is.

35:34

An is enough for our offensive line like we

35:36

brought in. A.

35:39

Jon. Runyan we brought an ad germain

35:41

lumen or and were like were good. And.

35:45

And you might be, but that's that. A little scary.

35:47

Some of the feedback we got on the Giants mock

35:49

drafts. Taking the a the other day was a lot.

35:52

we can take a right tackle. I just want to

35:54

continue to reiterate, the value of the right tackle doesn't

35:56

matter at of equal value to the left tackle they're

35:58

Also, there are a lot of. More. More

36:01

than one person sort of complaining that

36:03

we've we were acting. During that

36:05

mock draft like you can just take a

36:07

player that played one side of the line

36:09

flippantly other side of the line. There's no

36:11

problem. I think the consensus has become now.

36:14

That you. Can take either

36:16

side of a line. He

36:18

to take a right to college right tackle or college

36:20

left tackle and move him to the opposite side of

36:22

the line. Immediately. In

36:24

his Nfl career. And. It's okay, right?

36:27

To. The might be a transition time there.

36:29

might like he's developing any you learning a

36:31

whole new way of playing just to adjust

36:33

to the Nfl level. you might as well

36:35

throw one more thing on the plate and

36:37

then get him you see the other side

36:39

the line. The only time it's a problem

36:41

is when you're taking a guy. That.

36:43

Has played in the Nfl for an

36:45

extended number of years or only on

36:47

one side of the line and asking that

36:50

guy to change the other side and

36:52

reverse everything he's ever known at that.

36:54

That's when it becomes a problem. The idea

36:56

of taking guy very early and saying

36:58

you're gonna play the other side of

37:00

the line is kind of. It's it's

37:02

fine. Maybe it won't work like there are

37:04

some good Just Jones John Stones doesn't

37:06

appear to be able play anything other

37:08

than left tackles the Runway Specific instances where

37:11

it appears yes are certain players because

37:13

it's a evidently. It's different, right? There are

37:15

going to be players that are inherently one

37:17

sided or other rights. I have no kind

37:19

of left hand for anything like I'm extremely

37:22

right handed. so I they were gonna be

37:24

players like that that for whatever reason cannot

37:26

play and the other side the line. But.

37:29

I think at this point they're pretty rare,

37:31

and the general consensus appears to be. You.

37:34

Can build it into your plan that we can

37:36

take a tackle a movie. I saw the line

37:38

and were good and if you end up finding

37:40

one of those guys can't play on that side.

37:43

But he shouldn't assume it's a problem

37:45

before it manifests as one. Arm

37:47

Yeah, you're gonna go back really quick at. At

37:50

much as a lot of years on this. oh

37:52

thank the best were to tell me. Juri Point

37:54

a lot of the best right tackles. awfully left

37:56

tackle in college. I mean, that

37:58

it took. That is pretty simple. Place

38:00

or. Little. Schwartz was a left tackle

38:02

move to write him in a dentist. wrote

38:04

about the over ten years ago. Now the

38:06

move. Occurs all the time. So

38:08

if you just want to use data

38:10

to say is this possible. Not

38:13

as a difficult like is a challenge.

38:15

Does it take more practice time in

38:17

their transition time? Like that's not the

38:19

question? Is this possible? Does this thing

38:21

happen Often a left tackle in college

38:23

becomes a right tackle. The Nfl? Yes,

38:25

it happens often. Very.

38:27

Often. And. A lot of the best

38:29

right tackles in the Nfl were all. Left.

38:31

Tackles. I'm speaking of that. Trent Brown.

38:34

Had signed with the. Best.

38:38

A mighty roar from back that we get

38:40

Trent Brown and Orlando Brown and you made

38:42

a pit. That. Are

38:45

you want to see Threat Brown?

38:47

I would write a three seventy,

38:49

Orlando Brown sixty three fifty And steeples.

38:51

Hello. Six. Ten.

38:55

To. Ninety something. I

38:59

I say and as content creators

39:01

in the in the Cincinnati area

39:04

com fit that we should take

39:06

the browns, the new Bengals browns

39:08

and steep aloe to the local

39:10

so go to chow the Brazilians

39:13

they all you can eat steak

39:15

house and just watch you bankrupt

39:17

that place with was. Dominant

39:20

meet feast. I

39:22

think I'll be phenomenal content I'm in, particularly

39:24

if if I come along as well as

39:26

a conversation facilitator and or near the way

39:28

like you eat a salad. Yeah, what I'll

39:30

do things. I'll just eat a normal volume

39:33

of food the right. So it's like you

39:35

know, the way you see those images of

39:37

like hey, look at this prehistoric turtle And

39:39

here's car last for up for scale, right?

39:42

I'm I'm Carlos in this situation for scale like

39:44

here's a normal volume of meat that a

39:46

human can eat at the Fargo and then here's

39:48

three monsters that are just destroying the place. I

39:50

feel like the Bengal should be all on board

39:53

with that. As at said standing content you

39:55

see me an action that years ago and we

39:57

went up there sport illustrated for the draft I

39:59

love I guess is point where it's like I

40:01

don't want all the meat anymore I just

40:03

one specific I want fillet or lamps yes are

40:06

all that them turn and of down we we

40:08

went out Occur as for a swim and

40:10

add to a state house in Vegas. We're at

40:12

the Super Bowl and was a high end steakhouse

40:14

and you know they do these things when I

40:17

saw that the guy comes over as I

40:19

guess the the state for for has got your

40:21

your name written all over guys are might erupt.

40:23

he's one of the for for is not enough

40:25

you and this was you. Sitting down here

40:27

means run he stood up for I might We're

40:30

going to need more than stake for for it

40:32

when you are one of the for so

40:34

he goes okay well we'll get the state for

40:36

for and the stake for do and they that

40:38

state for six and that's probably good were added

40:41

to turn out to be the right amount

40:43

of meat it was the right amount that it

40:45

was It We're. Not. On the bone

40:47

in the whole thing are i am Iraq

40:49

sites are really what I brought up front.

40:51

brown because death in his Nfl career. More.

40:54

Know what he's done. His were his blood. right?

40:56

To season: Right tackle Right tackle

40:58

Right tackle Left tackle Right tackle

41:00

Right tackle Right tackle Left tackle.

41:04

Him. As you're going back to right tackle. With. The

41:06

Bengals trip around flips every two to three years

41:08

and his grades actually stay pretty consistent. He's one

41:10

of the rare players at the give the Nfl

41:12

level, but he's he didn't have like eight years

41:15

of one side and then sweat. She's been doing

41:17

it every couple years and he's done it pretty

41:19

successfully as a fulltime play by my we just.

41:22

Went. Down rabbit holes, Where

41:25

is the result was? it was the rest of

41:27

our typists marker. Aiding else interesting

41:29

her know the bears at nine? I heard. Ah,

41:32

Tao Brandts. Good. Morning Football Chicago guy.

41:34

that and I Yogi did. He has good

41:36

little France is good little rant and analogies

41:38

in the whole thing and he went on

41:40

a little a little deal today where he's

41:42

just like the Bears happen is basically gotta

41:44

do well by killer Blames can do everything

41:46

they can should be receiver should be charges

41:48

all often. Suppliers and I think the Bears

41:50

again are in an interesting spot because they've

41:52

done a lot of good work. At

41:54

the Yale it adding playmakers the under Swift

41:57

and Keenan Allen and they they've got playmakers

41:59

now. Original. Never. I don't

42:01

in if the receivers do go ahead of them the

42:03

bears or and into to interesting spot right as total

42:05

trust their defense. Leader defense was

42:07

solid down the stretch added month as sweat

42:09

split or Jared verse here at number Nine.

42:12

Yeah, don't think they have to force. And

42:14

ah, thats a player Just because of Caleb Williams.

42:17

they can get the best or second best part.

42:19

I. Absolutely am.

42:21

De Kuyper is one of these people

42:23

That was he allowed he's allowed to

42:25

announce move to changes that he seven

42:27

forty now move he would said the

42:29

Raiders per day the Bears Radek should

42:31

go and get a top wide receiver

42:33

rights and with the now they're they

42:35

don't need to been gone a different

42:37

direction with that tackle or that defense

42:39

And he gave the Bears Jared verse.

42:43

So then you have. The

42:45

Yard The Jets in Broad Powers. We did

42:47

this the other day. This is gonna be

42:49

the most common. Mock draft said

42:51

i think don't for. The. Jets

42:53

at Ten and Brock Powers. In

42:55

a in I think it's viable because of what they've

42:57

done with adding My but we did this before. They

42:59

added Mike Williams the other day, right? and we said

43:01

Rock Powers as your your next pass catcher. This.

43:04

Is gonna be the most common. Fit I

43:06

think. and you know, where does Bowers go

43:08

is always been a top ten caliber player.

43:10

The size thing I think you'll I think

43:13

we're going to see more of this. and

43:15

in the Vikings and Eleven they stay there.

43:17

Integrated Mccarthy now. Mel doesn't do a traits

43:19

usually in his ranks. So. Jj

43:21

and Eleven is that. Possible. For the

43:23

bike is to just sit there and get to before I

43:26

feel like. The. Fact that they've added that

43:28

first round pick already from Houston? Yeah, they're

43:30

They're amassing ammunition said Yes, They're not going

43:32

to risk it. You know they're going to

43:34

make a move out and not chance the

43:37

fact that Qb for will be available when

43:39

they take. like. I just don't think the

43:41

Vikings are picking eleven. By time the draft

43:43

rolls around, they're going move because they've already.

43:46

shown. Their and in that regard. and then the

43:48

other thing coming off the back a bad as

43:50

he has Denver this time taken the quarterback and

43:52

gumbo next opponent we did so yeah Bo, Nexus

43:54

Tb Five not Michael panic site and use the

43:57

Broncos Taken Vo next I thought we'd the i

43:59

felt like it. The each from us take

44:01

a bow x there but. As

44:03

what words or deal with the the desperate teams

44:05

are sitting there. And eleven twelve thirteen. Might.

44:08

See desperate measures when it comes to the quarterback

44:10

position at. Anything else

44:12

had stood out here. Ah, so also wide

44:14

receiver for for him as brands on this

44:17

junior. This is as he said, the growing

44:19

consensus on p isn't going to Pittsburgh. So.

44:22

The. Russell Wilson. Just. In

44:24

Fields combination a quarterback has got

44:26

a. Speedster Network where I

44:29

guess I got something for her by

44:31

reading to. The. Dj

44:33

ready for Dj in mouth

44:35

and comparison here. At

44:38

picked starting to pick fourteen, they

44:40

both have the seats taken olu

44:42

foster. Feel for them. They both

44:44

have the Colts taking Quinn, John Mitchell the

44:46

cornerback out. It's a leader. They.

44:49

Both have the Seattle Seahawks taken Troy

44:51

font new. And

44:53

sixteen. To. Double

44:55

check and making sure that's true And

44:57

they both have the jags taken. Tearing

44:59

Arnold with cornerback out of Alabama Seventy

45:02

four straight paths where they are in

45:04

lockstep here on March. Eighteenth

45:06

nineteenth one of these came out there and

45:08

kind of them both am i think have

45:10

ram barton that that guard essentially from duke

45:13

go and quite high in the first round

45:15

that seen that as a more more as

45:17

we just put and barton at twenty one

45:19

to the dolphins sell has mouth. While.

45:22

Lot of similarities. I didn't get the a lot

45:24

to to the most Rams, they just copying of

45:26

each other. They both had Nate Wiggins the Eagles

45:28

right. Didn't. See that in. Dj

45:31

Do! Yes, they both have Wiggins to

45:33

the Eagle. This is amazing actually that

45:35

we're discovering this on the fly. I'd

45:39

have said this before to hooray. A

45:41

We're is a hovered a plagiarism scandal

45:43

in in the draft community. I think

45:45

we have sweeping. We have their in

45:47

cook. Maybe there's some a second same

45:49

texture. hey I I got a word.

45:51

Wiggins to the Eagles What if they

45:53

both use as a Ghost rider. Oh

45:56

that would be great. Imagine

45:58

imagine the same ghostwriters. Really

46:00

work and rebuild nfl.com and he has been we

46:02

can put at we can't put that I there

46:04

will get miserable. We're going to be sued yet

46:06

again. Or. Lawyers are on. Double.

46:09

Time here. I'm part of I think the

46:11

alert of the Pff Nfl podcast right. There's

46:14

some podcast is out there people. Who.

46:16

Are. You. Know very good

46:18

are preparing. And other nodes you

46:21

know they put hours of time means

46:23

preparing and I'm not that we do

46:25

a lot of work, right, You've just been

46:27

grinding films or nine hundred receivers. Holy

46:29

Cross right? Holy Cross was don't hate

46:31

on Holy Cross Southern Se in. Missouri.

46:34

State wasn't a mass. I

46:36

just random guys up until the watch. My.

46:39

Ah my way to Holy Cross of course

46:42

is my are literally teammate as they're tight

46:44

ends. His best teams coach or least wasn't

46:46

They moved on of course to James Madison.

46:49

So. Natural connected next. Ah, but when

46:51

I was going to say. Part.

46:53

Of the allure of our podcast is us.

46:55

We've. Got certain level proper preparation, but

46:57

sitting here on the fly, figure things

47:00

out on the fly. Gone. Back

47:02

and forth between two tabs here, trying to figure

47:04

out how many of the same text to the

47:06

happier. Than one. Another

47:08

when you flag yesterday when this came

47:10

up is now. Matched.

47:12

Us and put Xavier worthy to Tampa Bay

47:15

now clearly when he was watching on Monday.

47:17

And yeah, I love what Sam's idea was.

47:19

displayed years and left right. More play to

47:21

the bells. Just copy and everybody already could

47:23

smell small. Clearly he's the one copy. not

47:26

these has got to get Pixel Cisco These

47:28

So we've uncovered Steve How Worthy Goal in

47:30

the box. We've uncovered the scandal and now

47:32

we've identified who's who's at fault Now Males

47:34

gonna sue us along with the buffer is

47:37

and Ray Lewis. I mean I'm just to

47:39

let a legal problems or gas into litigation

47:41

left and right. Or. In a. Were.

47:44

What? Else we are going on here come

47:46

Robinson goes late first in both mock

47:48

draft yeah and Mel Green Bay getting

47:50

lie to La to the Cla edge

47:53

rusher a twenty twenty five hour Bm

47:55

steel for them as he are. Are

47:57

there other hedges here with lot too.

48:00

They're just like in the if there

48:02

was zero medical history there. Is.

48:04

He going top ten? I don't know.

48:06

I know, I don't think he would.

48:08

I feel like. I. Think you're

48:10

right that the majority of teams are.

48:13

Clearing him medically and they you know

48:15

it's a good that's like a neck

48:17

injury that you've that you've been retired

48:19

from forcibly previous. what you're You're either

48:21

on the border, not at that point,

48:23

right? It's not. It's not. This is

48:26

the him around in our list. It's

48:28

like we either think this guy's viable

48:30

or is not. So I'm sure of

48:32

thirty two Nfl teams, there's a handful

48:34

the don't have lot to on their

48:36

board for that medical thing, right? If

48:38

Washington's com. Medical. Staff was that

48:40

concerned about it that they forcibly retired and

48:42

essentially I'm sure the team or two in

48:44

the Nfl somewhere that is an agreement just

48:46

doesn't want the risk and he's off the

48:48

board for everybody else. I think he's on

48:50

the board and he's where he would rank.

48:52

Normally I feel like lot to is is

48:55

one of these guys that feels a little

48:57

bit like a Us or our. Say this

48:59

too harshly but a poor man's Joey Bowser

49:01

where the narrative is the same, which is

49:03

is he maxed out? Is he already as

49:05

good as you can get? Where's the room

49:07

for growth lights? Kenny Get any better than.

49:09

This which teams tend to focus on as

49:11

a problem without sort of understanding where the

49:13

baseline of that he actually is like yeah,

49:15

he might not get any better than he

49:17

is right now. On the other hand, yet,

49:19

Pff pass rushing Great. I'm like ninety five

49:21

last year, so how much better do you

49:23

need him to be for him to be

49:26

an elite Nfl edge rusher? And that was

49:28

the story with Joey Bowser. Steep or like

49:30

I can get any better than this. Boat.

49:32

Maybe not, but he walked into the Nfl as

49:34

a pro bowler, so. Who. Cares.

49:37

Yeah, Dicks, I think someone's gonna steal. I

49:39

mean if he ends up mid I would.

49:41

I would take him as high as ten

49:43

pay. I would take me with the first

49:45

edge rusher off the board as their twenty

49:47

five like. at that point. he's one of

49:49

the best value bakes you could make someone's

49:51

gonna steal. Ah, so here's here's the value

49:53

in mock drafts. It's it's.

49:55

fun. It's fun. right? We

49:57

can have fun talking scenarios. What could a team

49:59

do? They're thinking about this. What about

50:01

that on the phone? Be. You.

50:04

See name see to see different names and

50:06

mail has a whole bunch of different names.

50:08

At. The bottom of his first round. So this

50:10

is the first time I haven't bought our i

50:12

am looking upon to mock drafts but you don't

50:15

often see Tj Tampa from Iowa State in the

50:17

first round correct store the Buffalo Bills and. I.

50:20

Could see the Nfl really like an M B corner. Moves.

50:22

Pretty well. He's Huge. Big. Dude and

50:24

I was at the game on! Going to say

50:26

that every single time at the game. When.

50:29

We had an interception. So. I'm I'm

50:31

high on T de kamp. I was there

50:33

an industry in person, got an interception and

50:35

at least one other good point get Yeah.

50:37

So I was there. Harry and I saw

50:39

it. Harry Love them! Through their we

50:41

Sought So yeah Mellow mellow kind of goes

50:43

off the reservation a little with at the

50:45

end of his maki gets as he said

50:47

he did hampered Buffalo twenty eight cornerback and

50:50

then he has Roger Rosengarten the often to

50:52

tackle from Washington the other offensive tackle from

50:54

Washington I wanted to highly sought Xavier Le

50:56

get to going in the first round and

50:58

alliances and we talked about all the different

51:00

receivers have any of them sneak into the

51:02

forest not surprised and Ozzy continues to plagiarism

51:04

with at my Mitchell. At as

51:07

thirty two, the can see a dissimilar

51:09

picks between Mel indeed and we need.

51:11

A full investigation from Congress probably not

51:13

plagiarism. So with all the not now

51:16

we're not. We're not accusing anyone, were

51:18

just saying. We. Should look into it.

51:20

This is a very ah because of you know it's

51:22

not all mock drafts and so we understand what's going

51:24

on with pets because of the First Amendment and all

51:27

I can a stuff right it's actually quite hard to

51:29

get. In trouble for? ah, for libel

51:31

and slander in this country, Are you know?

51:33

get liable. You just get whacked these days.

51:35

True, that's what it's about. I was. There

51:38

are other jurisdictions in the world where the

51:40

libel and slander laws are an awful lot.

51:42

More. Restrictive than they are here. So

51:45

I listen to an Irish podcast and

51:47

for some reason the Irish libel laws

51:49

are like ludicrously harsh, right? So any

51:51

time anybody jokes about anything the host

51:53

has to be like, just be clear

51:55

this is not sufficient sniper so they

51:57

don't get food every three minutes as.

52:01

So that Rose Garden is currently Sir

52:03

Roger Rosengarten. He's the he's at the

52:05

senior bowl was pretty sure but he's

52:08

currently on hundred Fifteen. On.

52:10

The Consensus Board I'm one of my favorite

52:12

parts of the Ninety Ninety Seven draft that

52:14

I watched his when the Cardinals at number

52:16

Nine took a player that melts and I

52:18

have a one hundred twelve. I'm. A

52:20

draft board. So. Now go full circle.

52:22

Him: Who was it? Ah

52:24

the guy that I'd never heard of from the Cardinals

52:26

are okay, he did not have a big career. they

52:29

would be great if he did that and it was.

52:31

When I do know some elite player on a say

52:33

has matter how was just in case it happen to

52:35

be somebody really to know it was made him look

52:37

silly I will say again watching the old draft the

52:39

future when meld like this is a massive reach. Usually

52:42

at the end of the day it's like was

52:44

pretty. Pretty. Right For you? Know that you're

52:46

right. Again, I feel like that. I think this is the

52:48

story for a lot of things in the Nfl that. Everybody

52:51

has gotten better than. I

52:53

agree. yeah, like by free agency right?

52:55

The people not giving out. The.

52:58

Absolutely insane contracts use be thrown

53:00

around anymore, right? They're better at.

53:02

It. I think that he's are not

53:04

in south legitimate salary cap hell anymore. They're

53:06

not doing their let's draft a random fifth

53:08

round guy in the first round in the

53:10

draft anymore. Like they're just better at all

53:13

this stuff. The other interesting thing, You know,

53:15

the reason to the story. A couple weeks

53:17

ago, I always. I love my guide

53:19

Tony Brackets at The Keepers. He was drafted

53:21

and ninety six a news story. the came

53:23

out that Robert Kraft, the Patriots Bill Parcells

53:25

one at a draft him at seven and

53:27

you ended up going unlike the second round.

53:29

I feel like back then. Every

53:31

team was far more silo to, there was

53:33

less information out there and they would house

53:35

just a huge difference of opinion right in.

53:37

There is no in their guy and if

53:39

I all the rust until got his third

53:42

one.of in the first and now there's so

53:44

much more information and I would say. My.

53:47

Board here. Is kind of

53:49

saw it sorted by what the consensus

53:51

thanks and then you look within. That

53:54

range and you pick your favorite players within that range?

53:56

So do you want to do as best you can?

53:58

I take to pick players when they're. Supposed to

54:00

go. Because. You don't want to reach.

54:02

Not because you're going to miss. You don't want

54:04

to reach because you probably can get him later.

54:07

It's understanding. Who you can

54:09

get in were? that's a huge data point

54:11

that I think teams focus on right now?

54:13

Yeah, absolutely. I'm. A. Marius. Men's

54:15

going thirty two The Baltimore

54:17

Ravens, The Georgia Athens tackle.

54:20

that's your size but Jack

54:22

Am. That. Already obedient s and then

54:24

the one I want to talk about as

54:26

well. Take number twenty nine, Xavier to get

54:28

the South Carolina wide receiver going to the

54:30

Detroit Lions and without. To the previewing

54:32

Too Much Tomorrow show. So we get

54:34

was the guy that was listed at

54:36

Six Foot Three, Two Hundred and Twenty

54:38

Seven pounds. Ah, and then he showed

54:40

up at the Senior Bowl and when

54:43

he was mean measured, turned seventy. Twenty

54:45

Six One, not Six Three Sprites. So

54:47

that that's a fairly dramatically changes what

54:49

you consider his body type to be

54:51

like. Six Three to Twenty Seven is

54:53

just a giant Six One to Twenty

54:55

Seven is kind of running back shaped

54:57

you know, domains and different body shape

54:59

than you think. he had. Firm. Tapes

55:01

ah but is also go up and get

55:04

a guy and a fast guy like he

55:06

ran a four four four three nine i

55:08

think as his official forty at the car

55:10

at the combine so. Saviola. Get

55:12

is a guy who when I did my a lot of

55:14

what I'd so. I. Did all my tape

55:16

watch game you know, notes on the wide

55:18

receivers. yada yada yada stacked them roughly in

55:21

my order and then what I did yesterday

55:23

was kind of go through guys again that

55:25

I wanted to watch a second time than

55:27

either. I knew the consensus was different from

55:29

me on guys like That I Thomas Jr

55:32

and guys like Ah Key on Coleman. the

55:34

a couple other guys that I knew those

55:36

off routed other people on and wanted to

55:38

get a second viewing of Major. I was

55:40

happy with my So take on them. And

55:42

then can I go through the notes that

55:45

I've written. And use that to

55:47

kind of remind myself what I thought of the

55:49

player and actually move them around a little bit

55:51

in the rankings and see if I'd been too

55:53

harsh relative to what my notes were saying, right?

55:55

right? And they barely get with the guy were

55:58

on the first ranking I had him Really? I

56:00

hadn't quite low. And yesterday had

56:02

kept sort of moving him higher and higher

56:04

and higher relative to the other people might

56:06

ultimately. For all

56:08

the for the negatives that I haven't the

56:11

notes the positives are things that you'd play.

56:13

So. Why am I drop it? A miss?

56:15

Lot like to do to six one to

56:17

twenty seven. He's built like a J. Browns,

56:20

he's fast as hell and his one of

56:22

his best trades is that cashpoint stuff. Like

56:24

even if he's not a complete wide receiver,

56:27

Must have to do it at should be pretty damn

56:29

good and I feel like is is actually worth a

56:31

first round pick and if you put him on Detroit.

56:34

Where. They already have I'm on Rossum

56:36

Brown. Was.

56:39

Yeah. We'll we'll get into more detail

56:41

tomorrow, but I think though the question on

56:43

the get right now there's no fancy. people

56:45

do a lot of good work because they

56:47

they only have to focus on running backs

56:49

and receivers and tight ends for the most

56:51

part. As far as projections, gallon fantasies analyst

56:53

have done a really good job over the

56:55

years looking at data in and out of

56:57

her purse, through the noise when it comes

56:59

to receivers and they talk a lot about

57:01

breakout age and they don't Ya, they just

57:03

used. Things. Like yards per hour

57:05

around and other data points and will get

57:07

is a lead to break out in a

57:10

long story short for years of nothing. And

57:12

then a very good two thousand and twenty

57:14

three. Those. Profiles don't tend

57:16

to work well. At the

57:18

Nfl level. And that's and then when you

57:21

look at the idea that okay, he's a fifth year

57:23

player. Does. Your when when

57:25

a fifth year player looks like a

57:27

man among boys? Right then it's like

57:29

okay, But. That's a concern because that

57:31

doesn't always translate to the animals are those would be

57:33

the concerns for look at Will and will get it

57:35

into particularly more to more. Yep exactly when he then

57:37

take two inches off his height in your life. And

57:40

much just don't do that. So he's just six.

57:42

Want? It doesn't matter, I would say is one

57:44

that's different to say. I guess the dude was

57:46

six three to twenty seven. There aren't many corners

57:48

in the Nfl other even vaguely in the same

57:50

ballpark. as that They are the owners that are

57:52

in the same ballpark when you're six one. This

57:54

is like the argued argument you made a few

57:56

weeks ago, which was like, who cares what the

57:59

consensus board says, right? Well, if the Nfl

58:01

board is completely different, maybe the consensus board

58:03

was never right. right? The extra to drop

58:05

position was never right. Fact that he was

58:07

endeavor six three. It doesn't matter that you

58:09

thought he was six three because South Carolina

58:11

listed him as such. It doesn't matter that

58:13

you thought that he's just six one. right?

58:16

So use that information. Yeah, it does it

58:18

matter what they leave, you can almost him

58:20

at six. Six of matters is what would

58:22

that is different to being sector? it doesn't

58:24

matter like to. Just if you had watched

58:26

him after he. Yola had his

58:28

height taken at the Senior bowl. And

58:30

will even be part of your story, right? But

58:33

my point being there is a reason that they

58:35

measure these things because if you david turns out

58:37

you are three inches taller and twenty pounds heavier

58:39

than anybody else you're going to be trying to

58:41

the there's going to try to cover you. That.

58:43

Is harder to stop. So as soon as you

58:46

start chipping away at that and change that picture,

58:48

it does change with the guys capable of doing

58:50

it the next level. Though

58:52

as you would measure it we would you

58:54

say who cares? would have the time. It's

58:56

their I. I understand why they measure height

58:59

or I get that and I'm just saying

59:01

it doesn't matter that on South Carolina's website

59:03

at once said six three and they lied.

59:06

Does. Matter. I mean he's six one that

59:08

the information you need friends. With.

59:10

That Terry on Communists? That's my point.

59:12

Like that's. That's.

59:15

What we're talking about as a six of one receiver.

59:18

Anything else. Cj mouth

59:20

if you want to see to mock trials

59:22

that are near identical. Slots

59:25

up. Like

59:28

for maybe deed is alive? Who says the

59:30

one diminishing the get to see maybe digits

59:33

plagiarize it and he goes loving. throw the

59:35

cents off with a massive trade up and

59:37

then I'll copy. They'll mail in the rest.

59:39

Does melt the Godfather I copy the.thought this is the

59:42

show the gets a suit the still I love use

59:44

I he Ray Lewis killed a guy you put a

59:46

bunch of other stuff out there but this is the

59:48

one that again his lawyer detention Dj come join the

59:50

shelf too much. As

59:54

you on it is a couple mailbag questions they

59:56

weren't xom. they're probably not one off where the

59:58

though. Okay by those just. Couple quick questions.

1:00:02

What? Are your tyler what he got? Nick

1:00:04

from Tennessee. Love the show! Good

1:00:07

gets. Knocked on the second part of

1:00:09

his. I remember the first part was I

1:00:11

just got second part given the Eagles use

1:00:14

of the double cheek push. still using the

1:00:16

right name this. Should. Nfc East teams

1:00:18

to use a higher priority on massive defensive

1:00:20

tackles like to address. Well.

1:00:23

We saw am. We. Saw the

1:00:25

impact that savvy to via was able

1:00:27

have guess it's toilets. Sweat.

1:00:30

Can have a similar impact against almost push.

1:00:32

I mean the other question I think is

1:00:34

how much of the Double T push was

1:00:36

contingent on Jason, Kelsey, Liquid have any? Unity

1:00:38

may have a new dynamic now. Chelsea's retired

1:00:41

their move in. What Turned your Guns Over

1:00:43

to censor? We're going to have Chelsea Wit

1:00:45

without. Data. Player points and the

1:00:47

other point people were making during

1:00:50

free agency is that the combination

1:00:52

of i'm Jail and hurts and

1:00:54

sake one Barkley can squat like

1:00:56

thirteen hundred pounds. More damage

1:00:58

is important. With a

1:01:01

lot push the law push lot of squat.

1:01:03

even without Jason Kelsey. So we're going to

1:01:05

it's an interest. It's a new world for

1:01:07

the Double T. No, actually I went without

1:01:09

say conduit without. Jason. Chelsea Buzz is

1:01:11

also by the way why they didn't

1:01:13

ban it like it's one play that

1:01:15

one team was abnormally successful with, Most other

1:01:17

teams are not able to do it

1:01:19

and the team that was good at

1:01:21

it just lost one of the people this

1:01:24

being identified as when he's white worker

1:01:26

so they might think at it is

1:01:28

here to answer the question. I

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love the cartoons, I love the idea. I agree. Feet of

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go second or third round Like sweat. Why? Like a

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lot. As a plan I did not have my nature

1:02:17

to draft a player. Because.

1:02:19

Of three four five plays that are going

1:02:21

to occur during the season at does not

1:02:23

make sense to me. Thousand Pla Stevens who

1:02:25

plays you're not going to make a draft

1:02:28

pick specifically for that unless he was a

1:02:30

seventh rounder will give you a seventh round

1:02:32

three hundred fifty pounder. I don't hate it.

1:02:34

As a me, that's not the only thing

1:02:36

they're doing. The the August seventh round run

1:02:38

stopper is fine, but I'm not making the

1:02:40

move just because on the Giants, cowboys or

1:02:42

the commanders in a my manager stop hurts

1:02:44

and double checked push for sit there in

1:02:46

the fourth round and sweat still there and

1:02:49

he's. A second round value. And

1:02:51

you sit him and your team find his his other

1:02:53

value right? It's just a one point. Your

1:02:56

arm. And and often pots asks asks

1:02:58

a lot of data questions like is a as

1:03:00

a date a guy who's asking us how do

1:03:02

we deal. More. So for me,

1:03:04

Sam, I don't know how much modeling you're doing.

1:03:06

Not a lot had you guys the old missing

1:03:08

data from the combine in your models are presumably

1:03:10

you have a. Naive. Imputation

1:03:12

or utilize mice or something like that.

1:03:16

But. Steve mischief something about the pro day which had

1:03:18

understand as I assume we don't run at the combine

1:03:20

you want the prone a bottomless I'm so not with

1:03:22

are a lot of people that do run at burrow

1:03:25

days that don't run of com a do but the

1:03:27

other there are a lot to do what I what

1:03:29

we've done in the past and what I tend to

1:03:31

do is just I how's. I. Do have

1:03:33

a model. It's kind of takes the average and just. Plop.

1:03:36

Sat in there. As others

1:03:38

as as there's an adjustment. Some.

1:03:40

People do is produce reason you don't run

1:03:42

at the combine and and do running your

1:03:45

pro days because you're pro day. track is

1:03:47

faster for you think it's answers. So there

1:03:49

is a general consensus. I think that. Pro.

1:03:52

Day numbers are juice a little bit relative

1:03:54

to combine our our glossy did that. So

1:03:56

glad he had this file that he would

1:03:58

share with me. That was. Oh

1:04:00

I don't know. Ninety percent. Lower.

1:04:02

For the proto right? Ah, whatever that

1:04:04

may have banned because historically it is

1:04:06

faster. Ah, nice release out there and

1:04:08

ninety percent of the tolerates of you

1:04:10

run for five hours on like for

1:04:13

five to of after. For.

1:04:15

Hims and lower than for sign or said not yes

1:04:17

I. Have

1:04:23

this is upside down that was intentional

1:04:25

inverted. Actually what you are right? Yeah

1:04:27

Marvin Harrison Jr is terrible. Ah give

1:04:29

me but beans as wide receiver one

1:04:31

and some sneaky is not about my

1:04:33

wife swap meet You want to. Be

1:04:36

around about mean state you got and above

1:04:38

means number two, thirty six on the draft

1:04:40

board twenty one percent monogamous avenues that the

1:04:43

target is like eighteen yards downfield fast. he

1:04:45

was a for three six guys death and

1:04:47

are. Seldom. And freak he some

1:04:49

Zola recluse. Pretty good. I'm

1:04:51

I'm interested to know a lot who people would

1:04:53

want us to interview. During draft

1:04:56

season here. Are. We might have a

1:04:58

line. Just coming up soon.

1:05:01

I was taught. We've talked to Bruce Feldman in the

1:05:03

past. Would love to get him back on here. Will

1:05:05

probably have dame burglar at some point after the beast

1:05:07

drops his his draft god or anyone the you don't

1:05:09

hear from. On. The Pff as besides Jj

1:05:11

Watt gotta Jj Watt looks at him on

1:05:13

here but anyone else you can hear from

1:05:15

us I will try to get Chris Simms

1:05:17

again. We have good relationship with Press even

1:05:19

though he makes minimum sentence. Alley

1:05:22

crazy rankings that are to him yesterday and then

1:05:24

he went out there put Bryants Hamza had of

1:05:26

Marvin Harrison and anger is your I can he's

1:05:28

angering your too far Now we love to lock

1:05:31

and to Chris Simms we have a great discuss.

1:05:33

Had a lot to fuck with him last. oh.

1:05:35

I'm. One of jt has.

1:05:38

Strong. To be draft takes we should ask

1:05:40

him whether we had those mailbag somewhere as miss get him

1:05:42

back on the show. she gets a t back out here

1:05:44

as well. so yeah let us know who else. He.

1:05:47

Wants to have on the show that it for

1:05:49

today. The do so you gave Alex Lindsay the

1:05:51

shout out for the bat right to dude named

1:05:54

yes I gave him a shout out to the

1:05:56

bat at the first batch or get another running

1:05:58

document going. Send us your best. I told

1:06:00

the story last year. we used to have the hashtag vault

1:06:02

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1:06:04

vault Me: good way to and I'll put

1:06:06

you put stuff other sources draft us but

1:06:09

email to us and will put rpf of

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plus subscription on the line new the last

1:06:13

on as well as getting. The. Hormone.

1:06:17

Assist. Charges. Fans hate this

1:06:19

one. Stats: Thera disease from Luke Cooks the or

1:06:21

may not be will Man and the shows that

1:06:23

idea We haven't given Jim Harbaugh recent comments of

1:06:25

Jj Mccarthy This a few weeks ago digit Mccarthy

1:06:27

be in the best player in the draft. Although

1:06:30

nonsense, I believe this poses an interesting question. What

1:06:32

if he's being serious? As such, I believe we're

1:06:34

in a world where there's a non zero chance

1:06:36

you'd prefer his Michigan guy over Herbert. In turn,

1:06:38

this allows us to debate a question we never

1:06:40

really get to What would just and Herbert sat

1:06:43

on the trade market. I think this would be

1:06:45

a fun discussion because as far as I'm aware,

1:06:47

in Elite Quarterback has never. Been traded or change

1:06:49

teams anywhere close was person who'd be interested parties

1:06:51

in. Is there a package big enough that could

1:06:54

be put together given the three years I said.

1:06:57

Rule. Of trading draft sci going of three

1:06:59

years of draft picks that you can train to

1:07:01

can't you at five first rounders rather than

1:07:03

the and be a they're given like conditional two

1:07:05

thousand thirty six Mr. whatever ice I'm such a

1:07:07

good question. I think that. Would.

1:07:10

You agree, the closest.

1:07:12

Elite quarterback that was traded was dish

1:07:14

on water as as is thinking that's

1:07:17

probably the closest to a. And

1:07:19

lead guy in his prime. and

1:07:21

obviously he came with Gabby as

1:07:23

he came with and baggage plus.

1:07:26

Costs. Time. Off and the

1:07:28

contract plus a new contract. That.

1:07:31

Turned into a ridiculous, fully guaranteed

1:07:33

contract. Yeah, I mean so little

1:07:35

it's really tough to compare. There

1:07:37

was a lot of. Like.

1:07:39

In other words, there a lot of

1:07:42

things bringing his value down. Yeah, though,

1:07:44

the contract he signed suggests to me

1:07:46

that. Effectively, all of the other

1:07:48

stuff didn't really impact is value like the

1:07:51

fact that they were willing to do that

1:07:53

in order to get him. Suggests.

1:07:55

To me that they are willing to go wherever it

1:07:57

took to the out that happened which means. Not

1:08:00

like they looked at this and said hey, If.

1:08:02

None of this stuff. Her it was there.

1:08:04

We would trade. They're spread out big. Now

1:08:06

that there's twenty three legal suits on, Were only

1:08:09

going to trade this in Olive, we get

1:08:11

the discount because of that. The damage in

1:08:13

the baggage in the Pr nightmare I think

1:08:15

this is actually. I think would

1:08:17

I think they traded market value forms of a

1:08:19

dish on Watson Deal is probably as close to.

1:08:22

The market for this as you're gonna get.

1:08:25

And let's not. Let's not forget.

1:08:27

At. The time. You. Take

1:08:29

out The off field aside as a player

1:08:31

does on Watson was coming off as an

1:08:33

elite Pff grade for whatever that's worth a

1:08:35

wheat. Stats: Multiple years of playing really well.

1:08:38

He was seen as a borderline elite type

1:08:40

of quarterback right. And what was

1:08:42

that trade? it was as his luggage

1:08:44

area. The Texans received a two thousand.

1:08:46

so a twenty twenty two first at

1:08:48

Twenty Twenty Three first, and twenty Twenty

1:08:51

Four first, a Twenty Twenty Three third,

1:08:53

and a twenty twenty fourth fifth free

1:08:55

first round picks, a third round ice,

1:08:57

a third round pick the following year,

1:08:59

and a fourth or fifth round pick

1:09:02

the year after. So.

1:09:04

Think we're talking at least three First, yes

1:09:06

for Herbert, which is all you can trade

1:09:08

unless you have is not one somewhere. I

1:09:10

think his values higher. He

1:09:12

already has the contract. Here's the other part

1:09:14

right? He's already security her. So

1:09:17

to better contract and watson's a

1:09:19

better time when you trade for

1:09:21

someone over the copier. I

1:09:24

mean, I think we're talking like three first intersects.

1:09:27

So all you can trade is three

1:09:30

first round picks in terms of the

1:09:32

future first your answer unless you have

1:09:34

extra first within that window right track.

1:09:36

So that's the max Essentially that a

1:09:38

team can trade without going to yeah

1:09:40

second rounds and players as the others

1:09:42

that. Are it's of

1:09:45

his. Bonus isn't all that high? right?

1:09:47

Because when when he gets traded. The.

1:09:50

The. Charges are on the hook for the. For.

1:09:52

The bar for the bonus money. As

1:09:54

part of that that tap basically. I

1:10:00

think, who have I not? so in other

1:10:02

words the his cap. You're still paying a

1:10:04

guy in the in the forties and fifties

1:10:06

right? as far as his his base salary

1:10:08

cap. Can I add, Let me just one

1:10:10

he has money for. And Twenty six, Twenty

1:10:12

Four Thirty Six Forty Seven And Forty. Obviously

1:10:15

the other ridiculous trades which is one

1:10:17

analyst are putting this into the category

1:10:19

of fun and read the option bonus

1:10:21

ad it'll all be Ricky Williams trade

1:10:23

were. Mike. Ditka decided to trade

1:10:25

his entire draft and something the next

1:10:27

year. I forget what the next year

1:10:29

part was, pets always left out. I'm

1:10:31

betrays his entire draft up for Ricky

1:10:33

Williams at like, not even number one,

1:10:35

but somewhere in the top five, right?

1:10:38

Where did they draft? and three or

1:10:40

four? Ah, the other trade to read

1:10:42

out in it's entirety is. The

1:10:44

Minnesota Vikings trading for Herschel Walker. again

1:10:46

running back in wealth. Ninety ninety Three

1:10:49

there. There's a reason why this isn't

1:10:51

happening. First. Off I was

1:10:53

just shouldn't have did earlier. Hundred.

1:10:55

Twenty nine million in dead tap. It's to

1:10:58

the Chargers when our. Self.

1:11:00

He wanted enough that in so it's

1:11:02

doubly not happening. Ah I'm because it

1:11:05

because that the I was written up

1:11:07

the bonus stuff and properly because that

1:11:09

stuff is hop because that so high.

1:11:12

The. Team Receiving: Herbert. Wouldn't

1:11:14

be painter that bonus money. They're

1:11:16

talking base salaries of fifteen, Twenty four, thirty

1:11:19

six, forty seven And Forty that is eight

1:11:21

absolute steal sentences. That adoptee? All right. The

1:11:23

got the blinds, got Jared Goff at a

1:11:25

meteor cornerback because the rosters not not bonuses

1:11:28

are part mean. Look at it this way

1:11:30

right? Denver's eating a dead cap hit of

1:11:32

eighty something million. Just get rid of Russell

1:11:35

Wilson. this would be trading him for I

1:11:37

up the greatest hall in the history of

1:11:39

a date and and Jj Mccarthy. Weekend

1:11:42

or think you're looking at this the right way. This is not

1:11:44

have gym would look at. It. Jim Harbaugh is.

1:11:46

Look at the upside. you're always negative. This is

1:11:48

why we have Toxic. Just do.

1:11:51

You bring in a stamp. Your. Ear ago and

1:11:53

I'll in the cafeteria. I really am

1:11:55

able to trade him for whatever nothing's

1:11:57

impossible song he wanted Are not anywhere?

1:11:59

order. And he homered. Twenty

1:12:01

Six, The Herschel Walker trade the Up:

1:12:03

The Minnesota Vikings traded for Herschel Walker

1:12:05

their first round pick in Nineteen Ninety,

1:12:08

their first round pick in Ninety Ninety

1:12:10

One, Their first round pick in Nineteen

1:12:12

Ninety Two, their second round pick in

1:12:14

Ninety Ninety, their second round pick in

1:12:16

Ninety One, their second round pick in

1:12:19

Ninety Two, their third round pick in

1:12:21

Ninety Two, their sixth round pick in

1:12:23

Ninety Ah, and four players. And

1:12:25

four point? yeah to get Herschel Walker and

1:12:27

a bunch of weird taste don't make any

1:12:30

sense. like a third and fifth than a

1:12:32

tenth and were. In.

1:12:34

The tenth become Larry Brown. Super Bowl Mvp.

1:12:37

I don't know someone fact at me on that. Maybe.

1:12:41

That's why headstart that this been how is

1:12:43

it of his players have a game at

1:12:45

just had some semblance. Now the hands rounder

1:12:47

became so many top Pat Newman if he

1:12:49

had some semblance of a data driven approach

1:12:51

back in the early nineties. The.

1:12:54

Dmz to take advantage of that.

1:12:56

Are. You need it was a nice Herschel Walker Vikings

1:12:58

party got Jake read out of this somewhere along the

1:13:01

way one of the pics of they got back turn

1:13:03

in the J great so that worked out aussi frankly

1:13:05

v to trade Jake read for Herschel Walker. You to

1:13:07

done okay. That's

1:13:10

why the multiplayer things are so crazy. Yeah,

1:13:12

sometimes the one drop their guns or of

1:13:14

Dallas's I mean is why the Dallas Cowboys

1:13:16

end up with a dynasty right of their

1:13:19

picks. They ended up with Emmett Smith, Russell,

1:13:21

Maryland, Clayton Homes, Kevin Smith Now and Woodson.

1:13:24

Met. Just yeah. Like so yeah. Well, those

1:13:26

the Seahawks. A couple years ago, they turned

1:13:28

one first rounder into five other pics, one

1:13:30

of which was Dj match. ask who's clearly

1:13:33

worth a first rounder And and for the

1:13:35

players that right, it's like always say ago.

1:13:37

Yeah, the Ricky Williams back yard. The Ricky

1:13:39

Williams trade their entire draft plus the first

1:13:41

and third rounder next year for not taking

1:13:43

over five overall in the year. two thousand

1:13:46

and Washington had picked two and three to

1:13:48

the Saints were terrible. And Ninety nine? Yes,

1:13:50

it had picked two and three. They had

1:13:52

the Var Arrington, Ankara, Samuels, Picks.

1:13:55

Two and three The which is awesome. Madden have

1:13:57

imagined a T We talk about Arizona. We thought

1:13:59

Arizona. My. The and about this year yeah,

1:14:01

like you know what I mean in the

1:14:03

top five or whatever. that's what the odd

1:14:05

said heading into that season was. ah, Arizona.

1:14:08

We're going to get the number one and

1:14:10

the number two overall pick now and you're

1:14:12

dishonest. It's finest show's over. Were just having

1:14:14

fun. We know Herbert's nor can we what

1:14:16

we got to go back and list these

1:14:18

other trades so I don't I don't see

1:14:20

that will happen if they were able to

1:14:23

trade. Herbert if there was

1:14:25

no cap restriction. My. There's.

1:14:28

No way that makes sense. Right to take take

1:14:30

Jj. Mccarthy. And

1:14:33

then you have to other first round picks

1:14:35

to other seconds or whatever my be. To.

1:14:37

Build that roster around Jj and a first

1:14:39

contract quarterback is in no way that makes

1:14:41

sense. If they were, it will do. Djelic

1:14:44

if if if they were able to get rid of

1:14:46

harbor without one hundred twenty nine million dollar compress. It

1:14:49

is there ever have a place where

1:14:51

Jj Mccarthy plus four five other top

1:14:53

draft picks. Equal the value of

1:14:55

what you haven't herbert. I

1:14:58

mean areas are just because he's yeah. You

1:15:00

know what? I think there is a mystery

1:15:02

box. I get any quarterback paralysis or because

1:15:04

it cause you're getting a cell big. I

1:15:06

mean number one if is Jim Harbaugh is

1:15:08

coming in. Roman the reason

1:15:10

that that the the reason the negative

1:15:12

side of Jj Mccarthy's Ah Predrag profile

1:15:15

exists is largely because the hop and

1:15:17

said Jim Harbaugh was running right bright

1:15:19

eyed Somebody put out a static day

1:15:21

that he attempted like a hundred and

1:15:24

twenty six passes in the second half.

1:15:27

Last. Season. Like. He barely through the

1:15:29

ball in the second at all they were just

1:15:31

running the I believe they were when they were

1:15:33

above the other of a had a multi most

1:15:35

hims right now I'm not saying it's because didn't

1:15:38

trust him under saying they didn't need him to

1:15:40

throw the ball at all his numbers on third

1:15:42

down or like crazy ridiculous small in I remain

1:15:44

So all this is because Jim Harbaugh that they're

1:15:46

running the ball hard occasionally using quarterback on third

1:15:49

down and move the chains and then keep going

1:15:51

like if he's looking at this and going I

1:15:53

have. One of the most valuable

1:15:55

assets in the Nfl and Justin Herbert and I'm

1:15:57

not gonna use him to that potential ago. Don't

1:16:00

need him playing. I don't need Just and Harbor

1:16:02

to carry this thing. I'm going to run the

1:16:04

ball hard and will have the guy just yeah.

1:16:06

He might look at this and say it's. There's.

1:16:09

A There's a surplus value here that I'm not

1:16:11

happening in. Do: Why don't I get rid of

1:16:13

that? Get? Three first round picks in

1:16:15

a bunch of other stuff back and use Jj.

1:16:17

I know he can do it. I

1:16:21

wouldn't do it. I. Mean, I don't think

1:16:23

I would either, But I'm saying there's a world

1:16:25

where Jim Harbaugh thinks it's worth it. was you

1:16:27

didn't want to have the Qb discussion that he

1:16:30

just traded away. Officers are not trade away. I

1:16:32

keep saying that he got rid of all his

1:16:34

receivers. You done One Abitibi discussion of the Bucky

1:16:36

Brooks We. We

1:16:38

had this one instead. Are

1:16:43

he tweeted through it? But the Nfl does

1:16:45

not have a Qb evaluation and. Development.

1:16:48

Pro key things they do. Yeah.

1:16:51

Would not. Say. That they do. You

1:16:56

say just looking through that Ninety Ninety Nine

1:16:58

Nfl draft that the running back talent drops

1:17:00

off hard after Ricky Williams so you know

1:17:02

you needed you running back yet the makes

1:17:04

up? An avid Adam didn't have to use

1:17:06

Mcallister the time. I've.

1:17:12

Been. Before must have been

1:17:14

he's after have after. Two. Seasons

1:17:16

or like three years later. It

1:17:19

wasn't a good move. I mean you're dropping down

1:17:21

and my cloud in the second round. it's get

1:17:23

rough that was which drowned to deny the a

1:17:26

draft that I watched somewhat recently was a lot

1:17:28

to get running backs. Their Fred Taylor was there

1:17:30

and ah, bunch of others. and the. The

1:17:33

discourse at the main Sat. Was

1:17:35

like when's a running back coming off the board even

1:17:38

to trade up a get the running back? What about

1:17:40

the running back? Whether I agree with it as five

1:17:42

running backs that a first round grades when you going

1:17:44

to get this guy the cowboys the to running back.

1:17:46

It was a little different than today. A Missouri way

1:17:48

in the third layer away from mom when I think

1:17:50

we might need to start revisiting what my dick A

1:17:52

did, he did. he did the responsible thing was right.

1:17:54

He made a scarcity of the running by Mike Ditka

1:17:56

was right. that's what we need. Like you should do

1:17:59

that on your you. You know, Why?

1:18:01

Might take it was right on a year

1:18:03

ago. Now now now now I'll and is

1:18:05

Gary not? was Denver so doesn't count? Yeah,

1:18:07

okay that doesn't. Jacqueline is very was like

1:18:09

Brock pretty today range in his system. running

1:18:11

our system. isn't running back back? When I

1:18:13

was a thing he already they all had

1:18:15

to actually can't find another running back. There

1:18:17

was even vaguely useful after Ricky Williams. What

1:18:19

the next year? What about in two thousand

1:18:21

isn't it? Isn't county. Can't look into the

1:18:23

future of madness. Get a deal with the

1:18:25

now. Night. Are

1:18:27

we done? It sounds like it very much so.

1:18:30

He solid Fred Taylor did for the Jags and

1:18:32

Ninety Eight and need that was some in Britain.

1:18:34

Would he did rather remain in our bathroom? Want

1:18:36

the. Yes, That

1:18:40

can we make that? It would mean might dig.

1:18:43

Ditches and and you have to does reference Fred

1:18:45

Taylor Nord. I've seen what you did for other

1:18:47

people and I want that for me. There's literally

1:18:49

not other. Get a running back in this draft

1:18:51

After Ricky Williams South, They nailed. It. Might

1:18:54

get our went undrafted. Free

1:18:57

agent. Aaron Stecher. Stack.

1:19:00

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