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Last week they had Brady. This week they got. We're

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doing it. We're literally doing it differently from everybody

0:05

else. As a matter of fact moving forward from

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this point on, I will not make a reference to your P.F.F. Ready

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to get into it? Yeah. Alright, we're going team

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0:36

DePelzolo, Trevor Sycamore here once again.

0:39

Second straight day. Sam still

0:41

recovering. Trevor, thanks for being here once

0:44

again as we

0:46

talk remotely here. I think Sam's milking

0:48

it now. Yesterday I was

0:50

sorry for him. Yesterday I had the well

0:52

wishes. I was a good friend, a good

0:54

co-worker. Now I'm just calling him out.

0:56

Now I'm saying that the work ethic is

0:58

low. No, I'm

1:01

kidding. I'm sorry. The

1:04

toughness level isn't there. No, I'm

1:06

obviously kidding, Sam. He's

1:08

also going to miss Monday's show. I

1:11

think he's got a vacation plan. So

1:13

I think he's just trying to recover

1:15

for his special father-daughter vacation that he's

1:17

taking. And my plan, my

1:19

hope is to get the great Rick Spielman back on the

1:21

show for a little discussion. Just him and I one-on-one on

1:24

Monday. So

1:26

we won't see Sam until probably next Wednesday.

1:29

But today, filling in

1:31

for him, talking wide receivers. Yesterday, fun

1:33

discussion, Trevor, talking about the top

1:35

ten best-case scenarios and just going

1:38

through each of those teams and

1:40

where, you know, what their potential options are.

1:42

What would they be rooting for on draft night? Now

1:44

we're going to do it from a receiver perspective. So

1:46

taking, you know, ten of the best

1:48

receivers in the draft and placing them with teams.

1:51

So let's get into that. Yeah. Yeah.

1:53

No, it's going to be a fun exercise because

1:55

yesterday we were doing it

1:58

from a team perspective, right? It was like best

2:00

case scenario. scenario for all the teams. What's the

2:02

best case scenario for them? And they

2:04

have a little bit more control over

2:06

that becoming a reality. This one, we're

2:08

flipping it, we're saying, okay, what's the

2:10

best case scenario for players, specifically wide

2:13

receivers, because everybody likes to talk about

2:15

wide receivers. So we figured that that

2:17

would be a good place to start

2:19

with this exercise. They don't exactly have

2:21

as much control. Maybe they can sabotage

2:24

the other prospects in the

2:26

pre-draft process, like make

2:28

a failed drug test or alter

2:30

their scores for IQ tests

2:33

or whatever. So they don't have nearly

2:36

as much control outside of criminal activity

2:38

and tampering, but it'll be fun to

2:40

see if they can actually hit somebody's

2:42

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and. stop trying to do it live, but

4:02

it's rolling off the tongue now. There you go. But

4:05

let's start at the top. Marvin Harrison Jr. Again,

4:08

I think we talked about it yesterday. He'll be

4:10

our top wide receiver on the draft board. I

4:12

think he'll be many

4:15

analysts, top receiver on the draft board. Where's the

4:17

best fit for Marvin Harrison Jr. And let's also

4:19

put the caveats in place. There

4:21

might be some crossover with some similar teams here. Right.

4:24

No. So throughout this whole exercise, we love to hear

4:26

from people in the chat. We love to hear from

4:28

people in the comments of where you think these guys

4:30

best case scenario would be best landing spots. And the

4:32

way that we kind of framed it was what

4:34

is their best landing spot for instant

4:37

success. So it's got a little bit of

4:39

a fantasy football field to it as well.

4:41

Where could these guys get drafted where we

4:43

could see them have really, really good rookie

4:45

years, potentially compete for a rookie of the

4:48

year honor. If you will, from

4:50

our, but Harrison Jr. It's

4:52

the chargers and I see it's the

4:54

chargers for all three of the big

4:56

three. Both him, Roma Dunsey, and Malik

4:58

neighbors. Now I have some other teams for both

5:00

of those guys because they didn't want to just

5:02

totally cop out and say, Oh yeah, the charges

5:04

for all of them. But in reality, that's

5:07

going to be the best landing spot for all three

5:09

of these guys. The charges currently at number five overall.

5:12

That is still in range for Marvin

5:14

Harrison Jr. Even though the Patriots could end

5:16

up selecting him at number three. The

5:19

Cardinals could certainly end up selecting him at number

5:21

four, but the charges are the best spot, right?

5:23

They have a quarterback who is a top 10

5:25

quarterback in the NFL. Whether you want to call

5:27

him top five or not, that's a debate, I

5:30

think, for another show and another day. But Justin

5:32

Herbert is fully capable of being

5:34

a passing machine to

5:36

Marvin Harrison Jr. And I think that

5:38

if he goes to the chargers, even

5:40

with Keenan Allen there, I don't know

5:42

if Mike Williams is going to be there next year,

5:44

just because he's contracting, get out of it pretty easily.

5:46

He's been banged up. Obviously he'd

5:48

be the immediate wide receiver too, if not the wide

5:50

receiver one, depending on how much volume Keenan Allen would

5:53

get next year. And he'd be

5:55

a thousand yard guy. So to me, this is Easily

5:58

the best landing spot given the. Quarterback

6:00

situation is already in place and it's guy

6:02

with all the arm town and the world,

6:04

the maximize or everything that Odetta and Mckay

6:07

can bring in the table. Yeah,

6:09

that when I'm when I'm thinking about pairing

6:11

Cubism receivers, I think about you be Style

6:13

And I also think about what the receiver

6:16

extracts out of the quarterback. So I think

6:18

about. Ah, I'm. A.

6:20

Henry Rugs a couple years ago with the

6:22

Raiders. I wouldn't have taken him as the

6:25

top receiver over a guy like Cd. Lamb

6:27

or, ah, Other. Guys are in

6:29

the draft that year but. With.

6:31

Ruff that when he went to the Raiders,

6:33

Derek Carr became more aggressive because they had

6:35

a deep threat and they almost. The.

6:37

I kind of like induced aggressiveness out of him.

6:40

my what one of those guys for Justin

6:42

Herbert And I'm nuts and and I want a

6:44

good all around guy like a Marvin Harrison.

6:46

But now I'm thinking like later in the draft.

6:49

A Xavier Worthy or the Ah If if they

6:51

don't take receiver the top can we get a

6:53

speed receiver someone that's going to make just in

6:55

harbour throw the ball down the field more. First

6:57

priority though is just a very good receiver and

7:00

I think that's Marvin Harrison. huh? Light up all

7:02

over the place. He can win inside outside. Down.

7:04

The field after the catch. Everything

7:07

would be good. If. Him in Justin

7:09

Herbert A pair together in my opinion, ear

7:11

and and kind of here please. That's why

7:13

the and the to make sense as well.

7:15

You know it's not just the fact that

7:17

they're really good wide receivers, but you subliminally

7:19

neighbors was able to do with vertically, especially

7:21

from a sly alignments think it's a season

7:23

went on. In L A, he

7:26

really started to hit a groove with

7:28

that slot. Say that ah ral that she's

7:30

gaining. She's very, very comfortable. Throwing weather was

7:32

from twenty yards out, there, yards out, forty

7:35

yards out. However, for that versus the distance

7:37

was from the end zone. Daniels

7:39

was not afraid for of of dropping

7:42

back and. Kidding that route for

7:44

a touchdown even to the point where like

7:46

his feet may have been standing on the

7:48

logo or near the fifty yard line. So.

7:51

there's tons of vertical experience with neighbors

7:53

arms get cree after the catch ability

7:55

as well sweating does that is a

7:57

good plug and play option to like

7:59

you said, then do some aggressiveness into

8:01

that offense. Or I don't want to

8:03

say, cause it's not like

8:05

the Derek Carr situation. It's not like Justin Herbert

8:07

won't throw it deep. You just then have a

8:09

guy which you could do that more often. And

8:11

the same for Odunze, right? Odunze is six

8:14

foot three, 215 pounds. He's a bigger receiver,

8:16

but he's got a high average set to

8:18

target. I mean, you look at the last

8:20

two years of, of Washington's

8:22

air raid offensive system, Michael

8:25

Penix is just letting it fly.

8:27

And Odunze was on the receiving

8:30

end of a lot of those passes. So that

8:33

could absolutely still be his bread and butter at

8:35

the NFL level. So it's not

8:37

just the fact that these are three really good

8:39

wide receivers. They'd be great to pair with Justin

8:41

Herbert. I agree with you. All three of them

8:43

to me give

8:45

you that sort

8:48

of what is missing from the Chargers offense right

8:50

now. And it is that constant deep threat. And

8:52

that is that electric playmaker deep down the field.

8:55

Let's talk about that top three then as a

8:57

group, you know, yesterday we went a little out

9:00

of order at times and probably confused people, but

9:03

the way you have the list here, Marvin

9:05

Harrison, Jr. Malik neighbors, Roma Odunze. Do

9:07

you think this ends up becoming pretty

9:10

consensus or is this going to be pretty

9:12

consensus across the NFL from an

9:14

evaluation standpoint? These are the top three. And then

9:17

there's a drop off. How do you stack up

9:19

this class first? And by the way, quick teaser

9:21

to I think Sam and I are going to

9:23

unveil our wide receiver rankings next week. So we

9:25

have yours on pff.com as part

9:28

of our draft board. You're

9:30

going to continue to update that leading up to

9:32

the draft. But is this a

9:34

clear top three? Marvin Harrison, Jr. Malik neighbors

9:36

and Roma Odunze? Yes,

9:38

I think so. It's a very clear

9:41

top three to me now. Consensus.

9:45

The word consensus gets a

9:47

little bit tricky because I do

9:49

think that opinions are going to vary quite a bit.

9:51

I don't think we're going to most common. Most. Yes,

9:53

that's probably the way that I would say it. Like,

9:56

I think at the end of the process. Some

10:00

people are going to have Malik neighbors wide receiver three some are

10:02

going to have my receiver two some are going to have from

10:04

wide receiver one The same thing I think

10:06

maybe could be the case with Romo doomsday But

10:09

at the end of the day when

10:11

we get to draft day the end of April

10:15

the most common spots

10:18

for all three of these guys in my opinion

10:20

is going to be Harrison

10:22

jr. One Malik neighbors at two

10:25

Romo doomsday at three I think that will be

10:27

the most common amongst them. So I don't really

10:29

see anybody else Making a

10:31

run at one of those top three spots You'll just

10:34

kind of see them play musical chairs a little bit

10:36

But that is to me the most common outcome for

10:38

those guys. Yeah, most common is a good way

10:40

to put it I mean, I made the comment yesterday. We live in a

10:42

world where no offense to like Johnny

10:45

Twitter user who has 300 followers I'm

10:47

not trying to denigrate him at all

10:50

But that guy has his own draft board now, right?

10:53

Those guys send us their draft boards all the time just

10:55

you know whoever because it's fun and people like to do

10:57

that So if you say oh everybody's got these in the

10:59

top three somebody will jump in you're like, no No, I

11:01

got this guy seventh on my draft board.

11:03

Here's the link to my you know,

11:05

Angel fire website or whatever it is again

11:08

No offense. I'm just saying there's what is Angel

11:10

fire some from the late 90s. Don't worry about

11:12

it It's

11:15

way back my references are starting to

11:17

get dated right now Man,

11:19

I remember I remember waking I remember making

11:22

a website on like Weebly

11:24

you remember doing that like I would

11:26

do no. Oh man. I was like

11:28

that was like early 2010

11:31

I I made my I made

11:33

my own draft website in 2011

11:39

called it Road to Radio City. That's when

11:41

that's when the draft was still hosted In

11:44

Radio City music Hall in New York City every single year So

11:46

I called it Road to Radio City and it was just you

11:48

know, it's a draft website It was a cool way for me

11:50

to kind of yeah You know customize

11:52

my how the rankings looked and the feature images

11:54

and how their website looked and all the articles

11:56

and stuff like that But that was a weebly

11:59

or WordPress website. I don't even know what

12:01

you said. This is well before that. I don't even know

12:03

what you said. I mean who hasn't

12:05

had a draft website? I had drafthub.com for

12:07

a year in 2012.

12:10

So again, I'm not trying to, the

12:13

point I'm trying to make is not to

12:15

denigrate anyone that's doing that. That's fun. That's

12:17

awesome. It's just funny when you

12:19

make a statement that consensus or everyone

12:21

does this or whatever, there's always someone

12:23

with a differing opinion because there's just

12:25

far more opinions and easier to share

12:27

them. So when I use the word

12:29

consensus, I'm taking majority mostly. Any

12:32

other landing spots for Malik neighbors, Roma

12:34

Dunesay or Fitz that makes sense for

12:37

you? Yeah. So obviously

12:39

if the bears go quarterback

12:41

at number one, then both

12:44

neighbors and Oduinse are in play to have

12:47

really, really productive seasons if they go to

12:49

the bears at number nine. So I think

12:51

the bears are an option if they

12:54

go quarterback at number one. Obviously, if they

12:56

don't, it feels to still the quarterback or

13:00

basically if they're bringing in anybody other than Kirk,

13:02

like I'm just throwing out all the different scenarios

13:05

and shoot out. I mean, maybe if it even is Kirk Cousins,

13:07

I still think that the rest of the offense would need a

13:09

little bit of work. They probably

13:11

wouldn't be the answer. But if it's Caleb Williams, I

13:13

think that's the answer because Caleb is coming from a

13:16

heavy passing system. He's just

13:18

going to let it fly. Like this is somebody

13:20

who I think even in his rookie season is

13:23

going to be pretty fearless as a passer. So

13:25

Chicago becomes a team in play for

13:27

those. I like both

13:30

neighbors in Oduinse for the Cardinals, although

13:33

I would say I feel like I

13:35

gravitate towards neighbors in

13:39

Arizona being a more productive

13:41

player just because I feel

13:43

like his speed and style with the other

13:45

guys that are in there right now, I

13:47

think they could lose Marquis

13:49

Brown and free agency. I'm not so sure that he's going

13:51

to come back. I'm not so sure they're going to want

13:53

to pay his price tag. So all of a sudden that

13:55

speed element could immediately still be in the

13:58

offense and more. drafting a

14:00

guy like neighbors, which they saw some good connection with

14:03

that at the tail end of the cardinal season last

14:05

year when Kyler Murray was able to come back and

14:07

be healthy. So fully healthy year from Kyler Murray didn't

14:09

want to brush that off as we

14:11

talked about the Chargers being a good landing spot. I

14:13

think that neighbors would be really great

14:15

in Arizona. And then Odunze,

14:20

honestly, this is a perfect

14:22

fifth form. The New York Jets,

14:25

the Jets shouldn't their number 10, and

14:27

we consistently say offensive line, offensive

14:29

line, offensive line. And I think at the end of

14:31

the day, it is offensive line. But

14:33

outside of Garrett Wilson, they

14:35

desperately need wide receiver production

14:38

as well. So for

14:40

Odunze to go in an offense where

14:42

he becomes a one two with Garrett

14:44

Wilson, and then Aaron Rodgers is

14:46

thrown in the football, you got Bree Saul coming

14:48

out of the backfield, hopefully the offensive line is

14:51

a lot better. That also could manifest itself in

14:53

a 1000 yard season for

14:55

Odunze. So to me, I think

14:57

if we're not going with Chicago for both

15:00

of those other two guys, I like

15:02

the Cardinals fit, especially as a Marquis

15:04

Brown, Brown replacement for neighbors. And then

15:06

I love Odunze getting to play with

15:08

Aaron Rodgers in New York for the

15:10

Jets, potentially at the back end of

15:12

the top 10. I think

15:14

we painted that picture a little bit yesterday with the

15:16

Jets, if they went with the strategy of we're going

15:18

to shore up the offensive line in free agency, fill

15:21

our starting spots there, we might not have to take

15:23

a tackle at 10. And

15:25

then as you I think you mentioned a little bit

15:27

earlier, think about Odunze and his highlight reel, it is

15:30

the vertical route tree. Michael

15:32

Pennis is biggest strength throwing the ball

15:34

outside the numbers with velocity throwing the

15:36

ball head high on back shoulders and

15:38

throwing a fade ball off of that.

15:41

Think about Rodgers in that vertical

15:43

passing tree and what he'd be able to

15:45

do with the doomsday if Garrett Wilson is

15:47

his high volume receiver and Odunze becomes more

15:49

of that vertical back shoulder type of threat.

15:51

I do love that fit as well. The Jets again would

15:54

have to have the offensive

15:56

line in place, I think for them

15:58

to go receiver in the first round and Adunze might

16:01

not even be there at that point at 10. There was

16:03

also a poll for

16:06

Adunze in particular earlier in the offseason where

16:08

I was thinking I didn't think that he

16:10

would be in the top 10 conversation initially

16:13

and I was thinking the Cincinnati Bengals if

16:15

they're gonna even if they play back

16:17

see Higgins as a franchise tag I

16:20

thought Adunze would be an awesome fit as

16:22

the future number two or if they let

16:24

Higgins completely walk but I

16:26

don't think he ends up in the middle of the first

16:29

round so that might that point might be moot at this

16:31

point yeah that's my initial take. No I

16:33

think that's a that's a great one as well and we'll

16:35

get to this team in a little bit but like you

16:38

know if neighbors were to have a fall much

16:40

further than what we believe he's going to I

16:43

think the Colts sitting there at 15 you

16:45

know if he's within striking range the Colts

16:47

wanted to move up or if somehow some

16:49

way he got to 15 and was still

16:51

on the board that's also perfect for me

16:54

because you've got Pippen as an ex on

16:56

the line of scrimmage wide receiver you've got

16:58

Josh Downs as a slot stud for you

17:00

you can have a elite

17:03

blanker or move wide receiver in neighbors who

17:05

could just be such a such a chess

17:07

piece and in whatever you wanted to do

17:09

and obviously Richardson's got a cannon of an

17:11

arm so we'll talk about Indianapolis but if

17:14

you're saying okay teams a little bit further

17:16

down that would also be ideal landing spots

17:18

Indianapolis would be one for neighbors. I've

17:20

been trying to give Indy more receivers for the

17:22

last five years this has to be the year

17:24

they start loading up on the

17:27

outside right maybe maybe Brian

17:29

Thomas from LSU next on your list

17:31

as far as receivers that we want

17:33

to place here yeah so I think

17:35

Buffalo is is

17:37

the one that comes to mind

17:40

immediately this would be filling the Gabe

17:42

Davis role which feels like Gabe Davis is

17:44

on his way out he's an unrestricted free

17:46

agent probably not going to bring him back

17:49

you have some nice slot options if

17:51

you if the matchup that week favored

17:53

more of a quicker

17:56

player in the middle you have Kalosha Keir who I

17:58

think is coming along very nicely for you. them

18:00

if it's a matchup that you say, hey, we could

18:02

use a tight end here. Obviously you have Dawson Knox,

18:04

but then you have Dalton Kade as well, who I

18:06

think could be a good slot player for you. Stefan

18:08

Diggs is kind of that do it all wide receiver,

18:11

but you still need that vertical threat. I

18:13

think that was a big part of their

18:15

offense this year that was missing. Just not

18:18

having that guy and Brian Thomas Jr to

18:20

me, uh, six foot four long strides, fast

18:22

player, uh, very proficient,

18:25

very experienced when it comes to a

18:27

vertical route, stem that's what you

18:29

want. And I think that would be a perfect fit

18:31

for the Buffalo bills. I think

18:33

it would continue to allow that offense to be

18:37

as explosive as we saw this past year,

18:39

which was a top three top five offense

18:41

and a lot of different categories, especially in

18:43

the past game. So yeah, the Colts again,

18:45

for the reasons that I mentioned, I think

18:47

could be an option there, you mentioned Cincinnati.

18:49

I think Cincinnati him opposite to more chase

18:51

could be an option there as well. But,

18:53

uh, those are, those are the places that

18:55

come to mind with, with the Buffalo bills

18:57

being the one that I would love to

18:59

see Brian Thomas Jr land in that spot.

19:02

So the way you described Thomas, I think

19:04

I, I agree. Generally we're talking vertical route

19:06

tree, stretch the field type. I, I do

19:09

worry about him as a higher

19:11

volume receiver, his overall route running. And,

19:13

you know, I agree with

19:15

him being below the top three. I'm not

19:18

sure. I'm not sure where opinions

19:20

are going to land on, on Brian Thomas either.

19:22

I know Sam's probably a little bit lower on

19:24

him than some of the, uh,

19:26

you know, other analysts around

19:28

right now, or you right now. Um,

19:31

and I'm curious to see where he lands. I

19:34

think every receiver discussion every year for me becomes

19:36

a flavor and style. And

19:39

how are you going to fit this guy into the

19:41

offense? Right. And I always try to describe receiver being

19:44

different from other positions. It's completely

19:46

different from offensive tackle where

19:48

a tackle has to be at least reasonably good

19:50

at everything. Because you're playing every

19:53

step. So if you're bad in the run game

19:55

or bad as his own run blocker or bad

19:57

and exposed, right, you can expose, of course, as

19:59

a receiver though. If you tell me

20:01

hey Brian Thomas doesn't have to be the high-volume guy

20:03

He will be the deep threat everything that you laid

20:05

out with the bills. He'll go

20:07

play to his strengths All

20:10

of these guys have a chance for success and that's what we're

20:12

trying to do here So I like that fit in

20:15

Buffalo for talking Brian Thomas as a as

20:17

a vertical threat When are we gonna see

20:19

a coach start rotating offensive linemen with regularity

20:21

based on play calls, you know Where it's

20:23

like, all right down. Yeah, like down versus

20:25

first and third Sure, we're putting in two

20:27

big horses who that's all they do, right?

20:30

And you're just you're just going I don't

20:32

care if you know what's coming We're just

20:34

making a strength to strength and we're running

20:36

straight at these guys and we're gonna pick

20:38

it up and then That's when you start

20:40

to play the ultimate chess game where you

20:42

put these guys in then you throw in

20:45

play action Then it's all of a sudden

20:47

do running backs matter now. It's like oh

20:49

do the offensive lineman Matt. I love it

20:51

I'm not getting that far. No, I love

20:53

rotating offensive linemen play to their strengths, man

20:55

It's it's something that obviously the NFL doesn't

20:57

do for a reason because chemistry and continuity

20:59

on the offensive line It is paramount. I

21:01

think we talked about that a lot when

21:04

Teams make playoff runs teams make Super Bowls,

21:07

you know that chemistry is very very important

21:09

But you get a close-knit group you

21:11

get good chemistry with seven or eight

21:13

guys instead of five I'm

21:16

just saying just saying it could be the next evolution

21:18

I mean the Lions started using Penne Sewell

21:21

at tight end and moving him around and everything

21:23

The tricky part there though is

21:25

you can't put you can't put the lineman at tight end

21:28

and then put him back a tackle On the next play

21:30

right? They can't go from Eligible to

21:32

ineligible the next place you know, I guess that

21:34

out. Yes, they have to sit out of play

21:38

So you can't so you might lose your awesome right

21:40

tackle Penne Sewell. So every time they put him a

21:42

tight end Sometimes they'll do

21:44

it just before the two-minute warning or something so they

21:46

can they don't have to lose the play But

21:49

you can't put him from eligible to ineligible.

21:51

So it makes it More

21:54

difficult to take a Trent Williams or take a Penne Sewell

21:56

and do the the tight end motion

21:58

thing. You have to be ready for that

22:00

unless You have

22:02

a rotation of offensive linemen that

22:05

you're cool Just move them left

22:07

to right all the way through every single play never know where

22:09

they're gonna be all Remember the ability

22:11

just a team full of Graham Barton's

22:15

Just Graham boys. He's seven

22:17

Graham Barton's Graham

22:19

Barton's versatility becomes far more important if that's

22:21

the case. There you go. Let's

22:23

go Troy Franklin from Oregon As

22:26

far as fits and also where do you think

22:28

he ends up landing? I think

22:30

again, he's another guy my first look kind of

22:32

like that. Sam kind of liked

22:34

him on first look Yeah, where does the NFL

22:36

end up landing on Troy Franklin from Oregon? I

22:39

think Troy Franklin should be a first-round wide receiver.

22:41

I really do I was super impressed with this

22:43

film when I watched him over the summer. I

22:45

had some doubts, you know He's got a slender

22:47

build He's like six foot three like two hundred

22:49

eighty two hundred eighty five pounds And so he

22:51

struggles with a little bit of the strength portions

22:54

of the game, right? Do you think very naturally

22:56

but the footwork is so fast

22:58

his releases are so fast. He's great up

23:00

the life scrimmage So he can mitigate some

23:03

of those stronger press coverage corners that he

23:05

goes up against at the catch point He's decently

23:07

strong for his size is really it he really

23:09

is but what I love about Troy Franklin is

23:11

yes He's a vertical receiver like yes a lot

23:13

of what he does in Oregon is kind of

23:16

stretching the field and it's you

23:18

know, those either like Quick game

23:20

or deep game like there's no in-between

23:22

but the yards after catch for him Specifically

23:25

the mistackles fourth per reception. I mean when he

23:27

gets the ball in his hands He becomes a

23:29

playmaker and that to me is super valuable. I

23:32

love the idea of him going to the

23:34

Houston Texans You've got an Eagle Collins who's

23:36

coming off an incredible season this patch here

23:39

I think you can certainly count on him

23:41

to maybe not replicate that exact same season

23:44

But be able to rely on him as

23:46

a strong ex receiver moving forward You've got

23:48

tank Dell who? Tangle

23:50

feisty enough to play in and out But he's mainly

23:52

a guy that you want in space you want him

23:54

to have that quickness those two-way goes because he's His

23:57

body control and his precision when he's running

23:59

his routes is just so devastating. So you want

24:01

to put him in those situations more often than not.

24:04

And then Franklin, if you make him again, that

24:06

off the line is scrimmage, flanker type of wide

24:08

receiver. You can move him around in the pre

24:10

snap. You can use him as kind of a

24:12

chess piece to identify what the defense

24:14

is doing. And in pre snap, you could change kind of

24:16

who's going up against him. If you think the defense isn't

24:18

fully going to rotate, I think that

24:21

he's fluid enough of an athlete and he's smart

24:23

enough of an athlete to take advantage of those

24:25

things. So to me, it's a little

24:27

bit of the same conversation with him being. First

24:30

a experienced vertical receiver, but I think he is

24:32

so much more than that. And I would love

24:34

to see him with CJ Stroud. Cause I think

24:36

those are two very, very smart football players when

24:39

it comes to diagnosing coverages and then Franklin becoming

24:41

a playmaker after the catch. So I love him

24:43

at the back end of the first round. What

24:45

does it pick 23, 24 for Houston? Uh,

24:48

no, I think it's actually 27 now. Whatever

24:50

it is. I just, I love this landing spot for

24:52

him, uh, for him with the Texans. You

24:55

mentioned the yak ability for Franklin. It does feel

24:57

like this class doesn't have a whole lot of

24:59

guys where that's their specialty. That's where they specialize

25:02

is yards after the catch. It does feel like

25:04

a lot of these guys are more

25:06

vertical type receivers, uh, you

25:08

know, wind down the field, you know, the top three

25:11

that we keep talking about. They're all around very good

25:13

receivers, but I think that the

25:15

yards after the catch ability, uh, might

25:17

help a guy like Franklin stand out in this

25:20

draft class where there's not, I thought last year's

25:22

draft class was a lot of

25:24

undersized guys. Right. The tank dales and say flowers

25:26

and Josh downs, like that was kind

25:29

of what it was known for at a certain point. And

25:31

I don't think we've got, um, I think this year's class

25:33

is a little bit more, a little

25:35

bit more vertical as far as definitely

25:37

at the top. The options are, you

25:39

know, I think that there are still

25:41

some smaller good receivers in

25:43

this class, right? Like Roman Wilson,

25:46

Ricky Pearsall, um, Taj

25:48

Washington, Malik, Washington, lad McConkie,

25:50

like there's, there's a lot

25:52

of really good, smaller receivers.

25:54

This class just has more of those

25:56

bigger vertical threats that we get to

25:58

have in. the same conversation where last

26:01

year we did and last year honestly

26:03

that's hindsight

26:05

of course but it's like that's probably

26:07

why Quinn Johnson's in that Quinn Johnson's

26:09

in that conversation as wide receiver won

26:11

or in the back end of the

26:13

first round because we were starving to

26:15

find a bigger receiver because it was

26:17

only shorter guys after that

26:21

and so yeah I think that's kind of how we got to that point. I

26:23

see the chat talking about it yeah the the draft

26:25

is deep at receiver and I think it feels deep

26:28

at receiver every year it's just the nature of there's

26:30

most college teams have three starting receivers

26:33

most NFL teams have three starting

26:35

receivers and the thing that I said earlier is you

26:38

know you don't have to be great at everything because

26:40

I can look at a guy and say his skill

26:42

set will be used in a certain

26:44

way and I think it makes it more palatable

26:46

to draft a guy late first or in the

26:48

second even if they

26:51

have weaknesses at this position versus others. Good

26:53

at wide receiver like

26:55

you said is different than good at

26:57

offensive line you know we're just we

26:59

would view it differently if

27:02

you are a specialized player like let's look

27:04

at Xavier Worthy. Do I have his Xavier

27:06

Worthy on here? I don't think I do.

27:08

He's not on your list here today. So

27:10

there's a couple guys not on the list

27:12

by the way we do need to talk

27:15

about quickly. So Xavier Worthy blazing speed I

27:17

mean incredible athlete very quick feet lightning quick

27:19

feet but the strength parts

27:21

of his game getting off press coverage

27:23

handling contact at the catch point and

27:25

just straight up just like catching overall

27:27

he struggles with it but

27:31

it's not that glaring because

27:34

he wins so much with speed and you can

27:36

envision a world where okay he doesn't have to

27:39

be the strongest receiver in the world he can

27:41

still be a very productive receiver and really help

27:43

out the offense just from his speed like you

27:45

mentioned with offensive line or defensive line as well

27:47

sometimes it's a little bit from defensive line sometimes

27:49

you can get away with it with being you

27:51

know run uh run something specialist a past rushing

27:54

specialist but like offensive line if you have any

27:56

weaknesses at all you can't be considered

27:58

a good offensive line. And that's a

28:00

cough draw for them

28:02

but that just kind of is what it is because you never come

28:05

off the field and and Your part of

28:07

the game is so paramount and so you got to be more

28:09

well around it So I think that's a good part of the

28:11

conversation to let's talk lad mcconkey

28:13

here You know he he started to

28:15

get I was surprised that

28:17

he got the hype that he got I thought that

28:20

the NFL might be slow on him. We started to

28:22

hear late first-round hype on lad mcconkey

28:24

out of Georgia Went down

28:26

to the senior Bowl and you know everybody's

28:28

excited to see lad. So What

28:31

do you think about best fit and again similar question?

28:33

Where do you think he ends up landing on draft

28:35

night? Yeah, I don't think Lad

28:38

goes in the first round When

28:40

you look at the teams at the back end of

28:42

the first round that might be interested in lad mcconkey

28:44

And maybe they are more than I think but like

28:46

I Don't think Philadelphia is gonna

28:48

take him at 22. I don't think that Miami is gonna

28:50

take him at 21 Houston's

28:53

already got tanked out. I think Dallas could take him but

28:55

CD land plays so much in the slot So I don't

28:57

think that you're gonna take him there Green Bay's got a

28:59

lot of guys think you're playing in the slot They got

29:01

Jaden Reed as well from last year. So I don't think

29:03

that they're gonna prioritize him in the first round I

29:07

don't think Tampa is gonna do it. They've got Trey Palmer. They like what

29:09

they have a Trey Palmer Plus he's a little bit more of a vertical

29:11

threat Arizona If

29:15

you're moving on from Brian, no more maybe I guess but

29:18

I feel like Arizona's got a lot more pre

29:20

positions that they've got I would dress so I

29:22

don't think they're gonna be interested Buffalo. I already

29:24

mentioned They've got their slots stuff figured out Detroit's

29:26

got I'm on a Rossy Brown Baltimore just drafted

29:28

safe flowers San Francisco has Debo Samuel and and

29:30

I think plenty of guys that could play in

29:32

that quick hit Style Kansas City

29:34

has Rishi rice and so Rishi rice I feel

29:36

like would play a lot of that lad mcconkey

29:38

roll as well again Not that they can't get

29:41

them on the field, but you got Rishi rice

29:43

already you got sky more I don't sky more

29:45

soon a little bit disappointing but to me that's how I

29:47

run down the back end of the first round where it's

29:49

like all right Maybe but

29:51

it's not more likely than it's not that mcconkey

29:53

would go to one of those spots. So instead

29:57

The spot that I chose is at 33 the beginning of the

29:59

second And in the last 10 rounds, Carolina Panthers – and

30:01

Lad Mcconkey goes to Carolina Panthers. What's

30:04

he going to get, like, 150 targets next year?

30:08

He's going to threaten the Cileague lead in targets because

30:10

they've got nobody else to throw the ball to. So

30:13

I feel as though this would be a ideal spot for

30:15

them because they need this kind of receiver anyways, right? I

30:18

think they were hoping to get that from Adam Thelen, Elise,

30:20

a little bit, and I think they got that a little

30:22

bit. It's certainly relative to

30:24

expectations, giving Cileague age, but you

30:27

get Lad in there. And again,

30:29

this is a triple-digit

30:31

target player even as a rookie, I think, if

30:33

he landed at Carolina. Do you see

30:35

him as a slot only? He played a lot on

30:37

the outside of Georgia, and I could not believe –

30:39

every year there's just a – there

30:42

might be guys on film where it looks like you're

30:44

watching the film on Fast Forward. And

30:47

his speed and quickness both stood out to

30:49

me as a route runner, like in

30:51

the SEC. And a

30:53

lot of times – you mentioned Xavier Worthy and

30:55

his – he's a speed receiver,

30:57

right? He is just pure deep ball

31:01

speed, Xavier Worthy. But, Mokanke,

31:03

you don't always get speed and quick. Sometimes

31:06

when you're straight-line fast, it's tough to slow down. It's

31:08

tough to be in and out of cuts and everything. And I couldn't

31:10

believe how – my first watch

31:12

on Mokanke, how well he did that. So you

31:15

think he could play outside as well? No, absolutely. I

31:17

think – now, I think his home base is going to be

31:19

in the slot because that's where he's going to be most advantageous.

31:22

I feel like that's where you can get – the

31:25

ideal situation is – and this isn't going to

31:27

happen in Carolina immediately, but the ideal situation is

31:29

you've got one or two guys on the outside

31:31

that you could play. You've got

31:34

a bigger, stronger X receiver. You

31:36

have somebody who could be a little bit more of a

31:38

vertical threat on the

31:40

outside, and then you kind of let Mokanke be

31:42

this inside-out type of player. If

31:45

you only have two wide receivers out on the field, I

31:47

got no problem with one of them being whoever your

31:49

main X is and then the other one being Mokanke.

31:51

But when you go three wide receivers, I think the

31:53

best opportunity is to have Mokanke in the middle because

31:56

you could cook so many corners on different two-way goes

31:58

because not only is – like you said. but

32:00

he's also a great vertical threat too. So if guys

32:02

are playing him in the slot, you've got to play

32:05

off of him because he can get off of you

32:07

really quickly with a variety of different releases and

32:09

he can get up the scene immediately. And that's just

32:11

going to be an easy completion, especially

32:14

if the safeties aren't paying attention or they're paying

32:16

attention to the outside guys. So to answer your

32:18

question, no, I don't think that he is a

32:20

slot only player when offenses go more heavier set

32:23

formations and there's only two wide receivers on the

32:25

field, I think you could put him as one

32:27

of the two wide receivers that are there as

32:29

an outside guy because I compared

32:31

him to Eddie Royal. He's got the

32:34

quickness, he's got the long speed, but

32:36

also Eddie Royal would block, like Eddie

32:38

Royal could block for his size. And

32:40

I feel like that's also a plus

32:42

of McConkey is, no, is he

32:44

a devastating blocker? Of course he's not because

32:46

he doesn't have the size, he doesn't have

32:49

the mass to do so, but he's very

32:51

willing, he's fundamental, he's fierce, he's feisty, he'll

32:53

get in your face. And so I really

32:55

do think that this guy should

32:58

be in the first round conversation, like the back end of

33:00

the first round, because I think he could be awesome for

33:02

an offense. I just don't know

33:04

if any of those teams that I mentioned are going

33:06

to take the bait for it. So instead I look

33:08

at him as a priority second round guy and go

33:10

into 33 to the Panthers. I

33:12

love a good Eddie Royal cup, I'll buy into that

33:14

Royal, thinking like 90 catches

33:16

as a rookie right off the bat was

33:19

outstanding. Describing

33:21

McConkey, I'm hearing Kyle

33:23

Shanahan system type of

33:25

quarterback because they're gonna use tighter splits,

33:27

they're gonna keep their receivers a little bit closer to the

33:29

line of scrimmage. You know they

33:31

wanna take some vertical shots. And as they

33:34

mentioned in the Super Bowl,

33:36

no block, no rock in that system,

33:38

right? So you have to get dirty

33:41

in the run game. And that's Georgia

33:43

too, right? I mean, like think about

33:45

how talented Georgia is, how talented of

33:47

a wide receiver group that Georgia has.

33:50

And yet when they would go to

33:52

wide receiver sets over the last two years, there

33:55

were times when it was Brock Bowers is

33:58

the X receiver and then lad McConkey. on

34:00

the other side. So especially in the

34:02

2020's two season when Georgia had Darnell

34:05

Washington, Washington would stay in as

34:07

the in-line tight end when they go a little bit

34:09

more condensed, a little heavier. Brock

34:11

would either be kind of like the wingback or the

34:13

online scrimmage ex-receiver and then the guy on the other

34:15

side would be McConkie. So I think

34:18

that goes to show you how

34:21

much Georgia thought of him as a

34:23

well-rounded receiver and I think how much the NFL is going

34:25

to as well. All right,

34:27

let's go AD Mitchell here, receiver from

34:29

Texas via Georgia and a guy

34:31

I think you've been, I don't know

34:33

if you're higher on than most, but I know

34:35

you've been high on AD Mitchell since the preseason.

34:38

Yeah, no, I really like AD Mitchell.

34:41

He's somebody who I think is very fluid of

34:43

a player for being six foot four. I think

34:45

he's got really quick feet for a player again

34:47

who is six foot four. He

34:49

doesn't have the contested catch strength that

34:52

a player of his size, you're kind of wanting to see a little

34:54

bit more of that, but really fluid or

34:56

out-running for a guy of his size

34:58

consistent red zone threat. Somebody

35:01

who I would love to see on the Baltimore Ravens,

35:03

honestly. You've got safe flowers who I think is going

35:05

to be nice for you. I don't know if they're

35:07

bringing back Odell Beckham Jr. Rashad

35:10

Vayman has not blossomed the way that

35:12

we thought that he was going to.

35:14

You saw how, I don't want to

35:16

say difficult, but losing

35:18

Mark Andrews was tough for this team because

35:20

Andrews is such a key piece

35:23

of what they do in the receiving game from

35:25

the tight end spot. If you had another bigger

35:27

bodied receiver that you could play

35:29

on the outside, I think that would really help out that

35:31

passing attack even more. So I think

35:34

that Mitchell's skillset and

35:36

size is something that the

35:38

Ravens don't have right now. I think they were hoping

35:40

to get with Odell. I think they were hoping to

35:42

get with Rashad Vayman and I think that Mitchell could

35:44

be that guy for him. Yeah, it's

35:46

an interesting skillset for Mitchell because there's

35:49

definitely some nuance to his route

35:51

running. I think he's unbelievable with his

35:54

head and shoulder and he makes corners

35:56

look silly at times. Had

35:58

that early. leap touchdown in the

36:01

college football playoff. Remember he just jumped

36:03

up and hung in the air and

36:05

caught that back shoulder and then

36:07

maybe had a chance to catch the back shoulder against Washington

36:09

the second time and didn't get up there. But

36:12

there's definitely a lot to like about his game. He's another guy

36:14

that was one of the highest

36:16

average depth of targets in college football over the

36:18

last few years. Yep. And this

36:22

is where the stats don't always tell the story. He's

36:24

been a low yak guy.

36:26

Yeah. But that it's like, it's

36:28

inversely correlated to being targeted down the field. You don't

36:30

see guys targeted down the field and also have high

36:32

yak. I still don't

36:34

think that's his skill set necessarily as being

36:36

a great after the catch receiver.

36:39

But we didn't see those opportunities a ton in

36:41

college, either at Georgia or at Texas. So I

36:44

think that part's interesting, but I like

36:46

his route running, man. I think he

36:48

knows how to set up corners, knows how to get open. You

36:51

mentioned him as a red zone threat because I think he's got

36:53

that, he's got the hops and the ability to

36:55

attack the ball. So there's definitely a lot to like there even

36:57

with some of the touch point physicality

36:59

questions that you brought up that I

37:02

think definitely show up on film. Yep. So

37:06

AD Mitchell going to the Ravens as your

37:08

best fit. How about Roman

37:10

Wilson? That dude took the senior bowl by

37:12

storm, I think Lance Zerline, maybe the first

37:14

one to put Roman Wilson from Michigan into

37:16

his first round mock draft. How

37:18

about a best fit for Roman Wilson from Michigan? Yeah, we're

37:20

getting a lot of Michigan guys in

37:23

this draft, like overall, they have a legit shot

37:25

to beat Georgia's record, which

37:28

I think is 16 guys

37:30

drafted from a single draft

37:32

class. Michigan's going

37:34

to threaten it. I think that they've got a potential

37:36

to tie it or beat it, which is just insane.

37:39

But I don't think, I don't know if we're going to get Wilson

37:42

in the first round. Second

37:44

round, a fit that I would love for him if

37:46

he were to go to the Cleveland Browns. I think

37:49

that this would be a really, really

37:51

solid pick for them because I

37:53

think they're just looking for juice overall. Now

37:55

this is a former track sprinter. He's got

37:57

legit 4-3 speed, As

38:00

you saw this past season, they emphasized him

38:02

more as a wide receiver one

38:04

type, targeting him deep down the field, asking him

38:06

to go up and get it through contact. And

38:08

he's got a handful of reps from this past

38:10

season where he displayed that he was able to

38:13

do that. He was pretty much uncoverable, the senior

38:15

bowl, you're right, whether it was through the releases

38:17

or just the overall long speed. It

38:20

just seemed like such a natural and he was consistently

38:22

winning in that regard. And when I look at the

38:24

Browns, you know, you don't have

38:26

Donovan Peoples Jones anymore. You've got Amari Cooper, you

38:28

can kind of move around everywhere. I like Cedric

38:30

Tillman a lot. You know, he's your, again,

38:33

on the line of scrimmage, X type of

38:36

power receiver. And then you've

38:38

got Elijah Moore, who I think can be a good

38:40

slot player. But I feel like we've been saying that

38:42

for the last couple of years and it's just very

38:44

inconsistent with him. Outside

38:46

of that, David Bell is kind of coming in and

38:48

rotating. But David Bell, I don't think it's like an

38:50

NFL caliber athlete to really help

38:53

that offense consistently. It'd

38:55

be very spotty for me. Wilson can

38:57

play either as an outside off

39:00

the line of scrimmage type of vertical threat, or I

39:02

think he can also give you a lot of plus

39:04

ability in this slot as well. And

39:06

I don't think he's as

39:08

good of a blocker as Lad McConkie is, but

39:10

he is a similar style of fearless

39:13

despite his size, you know, in Michigan. It's

39:15

the same thing, right? It's a lot of

39:17

really good football players, a lot of really

39:20

good strength and conditioning program, and the team

39:22

that's going to run the football. If you

39:24

don't block, you're not getting on the field.

39:26

And as the saying goes, you're not getting

39:28

the rock. And Roman Wilson was somebody over

39:31

the last two seasons who, and really

39:34

showed plus blocking ability when you look at

39:36

pound for pound, like how big he actually,

39:38

cuz he's not that big, he's a smaller

39:41

receiver. But I think he'd be perfect

39:43

for Cleveland. They just need some extra juice. I think he

39:45

gives them that in a lot of ways. He

39:47

put on an absolute show at the Senior

39:49

Bowl, as you mentioned, the word smooth, sometimes

39:51

I overuse words when I write down

39:53

my notes. And so I think I

39:56

wrote down smooth multiple times with

39:58

Roman Wilson in and out of cut. and some

40:00

of his just

40:03

90 degree cuts, two way goes. I

40:05

think inside, outside Roman Wilson has that ability

40:07

and there's so many

40:09

teams, like as

40:12

we fix teams this off season, we spend the

40:14

next few months making them better. My

40:16

solutions are very consistent. Add

40:19

more playmakers, add more playmakers. So

40:21

the Browns adding more

40:23

playmakers, they've consistently had a good offensive line, they

40:25

should have their run game back in order and

40:28

just getting more dudes who can get open

40:30

and whatever they do, they need to maximize

40:32

Deshaun Watson during this window. Have to. And

40:35

have to do it. So dudes who can

40:37

get open and catch the ball, like Roman Wilson,

40:40

make a ton of sense in Cleveland. Yeah.

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41:53

right, I don't know if you know about Sam's

41:55

love for your next guy, number nine on your list

41:57

here, Jelen Polk. from

42:00

Washington. Does he actually love him

42:02

or is this patrol? As a football

42:04

player, he does love him. Yes. Was

42:07

that like romantically he doesn't? No,

42:10

but Polk might be the guy every

42:13

year, Sam has a guy who's like, what's too high to

42:15

rank this guy? I don't,

42:17

I want to put this out into the ether, but

42:19

I don't want to get laughed at too much, right?

42:22

Like last year he wanted to put tank Dell above

42:24

Quentin Johnston and he got bullied, you know, in his

42:27

brain. Like I can't, I can't make that move not

42:30

to give away his wide receiver rankings for next week, but

42:32

I think Polk's going to be his guy where he's just

42:34

like, I think he's top five or whatever it might be.

42:37

What's what's best fit for Polk for you?

42:39

Well one, Sam should be fearless. You

42:42

know, scouts and general managers have a

42:44

low hit rate. So I think that

42:46

it's, I think that it's crazy. And I

42:48

don't say that to take shots at them

42:50

at all whatsoever. It's like the decision makers

42:52

who whose process is better than ours and

42:54

more detailed than ours and have a lot

42:56

of information and things that we

42:58

don't, they even get it wrong. So the fun

43:01

part of scouting is to look at a player

43:03

and be like, Oh, you know,

43:05

I actually kind of like him and he gets to have a

43:07

discussion and if somebody else kind of says something that it points

43:09

out, they prove to be correct. Then you go back and you

43:11

would just get out of the process. So I

43:14

would hope that, and look, I'm talking to

43:16

myself, I've had to learn this lesson many times and

43:18

still do because nobody loves me wrong, but I would

43:20

say to Sam, do

43:22

what's in your heart. Rank him wherever you want.

43:24

Rank him wherever you think that he should be.

43:27

I like you and Polk. Go ahead. Go ahead.

43:30

I was just gonna say hit rates all relative,

43:32

right? It's funny because there's not too many evaluators

43:34

who think that they don't hit at

43:36

a high rate. They're all very, very confident. Even

43:39

without even without the model. Even if

43:41

the model, the model double your hit rate right

43:43

here if you if you have the answers

43:45

to the test ahead of time. But yeah,

43:47

it's just it's an interesting dynamic. So be

43:50

bold. And you just never

43:52

know. And if you think about all the

43:54

redrafts three and four years later, it's all

43:56

dudes from the second, third, fourth, eighth round,

43:58

right? Undrafted free agents. that are in the

44:00

first round five years later.

44:03

So it's tough predicting things

44:05

perfectly. Carry on. I

44:07

like Jalen Polk a good amount, man.

44:09

I think when you talk about like contestant catch studs

44:11

and I totally forgot to put Keon Coleman on this

44:13

list. I mean, that was a massive brain fart on

44:15

my part, but I would put Keon Coleman to the

44:18

same team. And that is I would love to see

44:20

both of these guys on the Kansas City Chiefs. I

44:23

would love to see Jalen Polk. I would love

44:25

to see Keon Coleman on the Chiefs. And it's

44:27

some people that talk to me about like, oh,

44:29

the Chiefs don't need somebody like who can't separate.

44:31

Yeah, but that contested catch ability,

44:33

I think, is something that would be

44:35

highlighted so well in Kansas City getting

44:37

to work with Patchman Homes. And when

44:39

you talk about somebody, OK, maybe you

44:42

don't separate extremely well. If you've

44:44

got a pinpoint accurate playmaking quarterback, well, guess what? They're

44:46

going to give you a chance to go above the

44:48

rim and come down with a lot of those contested

44:50

catches. It's not like you're going to have to be

44:52

an acrobatic player or create a massive separation window in

44:54

order to get a catch, get a completion. The

44:57

home is going to be somebody who gives you a chance. And obviously,

44:59

as Travis Kelsey continues to get older, I think

45:01

that that bigger

45:03

presence as a receiver is going

45:05

to be really important to them. Because I

45:08

feel like Kelsey's maybe going to play like one

45:10

more year. And then I feel like they're going

45:12

to take a run at the three feet. And

45:14

I wonder if him and Andy Reid are going

45:16

to hang it up

45:18

after that. I have no

45:20

inside information there, but that's just

45:22

kind of like how I feel. So if that's

45:25

coming, I would

45:27

like for them to get a little bit

45:29

more powerful at receiver, especially since you have

45:31

Rishi Rice. You have some speed

45:33

guys that you've been able to pick up and have on

45:35

the team, MBS and Biko Hardman, over the last couple of

45:37

years. And you can still get a speed guy if you

45:40

want to replace those players. But

45:42

to me, if you

45:44

have a guy who is fantastic

45:46

at contested catches, so strong at the

45:48

catch point, which Polk and Coleman both

45:50

are, I

45:53

really, really need you to get to work with a

45:55

quarterback who is going to be able to not only

45:58

give you a chance, but give you a chance. a

46:00

chance with good accuracy and IQ and decision

46:02

making when it comes to, OK, this is

46:04

one of those chances. And I think you

46:06

can see a lot of great production from.

46:08

So Polk playing with Washington specifically over the

46:10

last couple of years has made some acrobatic

46:14

catches with full extension of

46:16

the arms, full

46:18

use of the catch radius when

46:20

it's come to some of those big

46:22

Michael Pennicks Jr. plays. He

46:25

is, I think, a

46:27

better separator than Keon Coleman is right now.

46:29

I don't think he's as athletic, but

46:31

those are

46:34

two players who's calling cards to me are always

46:36

just going to be contested catch situations and

46:38

incredible, spectacular catches. So

46:41

for that, I think the landing spot's the

46:43

same. It's Kansas City. I think

46:45

the Chiefs are going to be in the receiver

46:47

market. Regardless, I mean, it's

46:49

tough to remember now during the regular

46:51

season maybe just how ugly the

46:54

receiver situation was because they just went on the

46:56

Super Bowl run and still overcame it. But

46:59

we went into the playoffs thinking, OK, this

47:01

offseason, watch out. The Chiefs are going to attack this

47:03

thing with, what did

47:06

Harbaugh say, with tenacity unknown to

47:08

mankind or whatever he said? I

47:10

mean, that's what I was anticipating from the

47:12

Chiefs. I still think they'll go that route.

47:14

So I like an AD Mitchell for

47:17

the Chiefs. I mean, some of the other guys we talked about. The

47:19

thing about this is all

47:22

of these guys are in a good situation

47:24

if they're playing with Patrick Mahomes. Sky

47:26

Moore didn't really work out, but

47:29

Rishi Rice couldn't have gone to a better spot to maximize

47:31

what he's able to do. So all of these guys are

47:33

in a better spot if they play

47:35

with Mahomes and the Chiefs. I think what you're talking

47:37

about is general receivers that can win

47:39

at the catch point. I've been

47:42

waiting for those types of guys for

47:44

Trevor Lawrence for a while in Jacksonville.

47:46

So anyone that you're saying, like Keon

47:48

Coleman, that's going to go up and win at the catch point,

47:50

whatever it might be, I want

47:52

that guy with Trevor Lawrence. And that's not the only

47:54

guy I would want in Jacksonville. For

47:56

Lawrence, I think he needs easier

47:59

throws. Generally, I think there's there's

48:01

games where it's like their Difficulties jacked

48:03

up to 12 and he's trying to hit a

48:05

million window throws He needs an easier life, I

48:07

think as far as down-to-down goes, but

48:09

he also needs somebody you could trust and go win

48:12

So I think anytime you're describing That

48:14

type of receiver. I think I think of Trevor Lawrence

48:16

because I think Another guy that

48:19

could be aggressive get the ball down the field give

48:21

these guys opportunities to make plays. Yeah, I I believe

48:24

in my recent two-round mock draft that

48:26

I had over at pff.com

48:29

this week They had the Jags

48:31

getting Jackson Powers Johnson in first round and lad

48:33

mcconkey in the second round So nice

48:35

combo that's really I mean that'd be sick for

48:38

them. That'd be I like it'd be good All

48:40

right number 10 on the list tes Walker and

48:43

then we'll talk Xavier Laguette people are

48:45

asking about Him not

48:47

being on the list and maybe I don't know if

48:50

there's one or two others that you would want to

48:52

touch on But how about tes Walker? Yeah, so it

48:54

has Walker and we can throw Xavier worthy in this

48:56

kind of same conversation Cuz to me they're the same

48:58

sort of player that they're vertical players and

49:02

I Watched tes Walker's 2022

49:04

tape at Kent State and I felt

49:07

like he could be a total package

49:09

wide receiver I mean she goes up

49:11

against Oklahoma, Washington

49:13

and Georgia and the Oklahoma game wasn't great But

49:15

the other two I mean he played really well,

49:17

especially in that Georgia game Like he was up

49:19

to the challenge and I remember watching an interview

49:21

about him afterwards He said like yeah, that was

49:23

my chance to say like I'm I'm

49:25

worthy of playing against these kind of guys

49:28

and The releases was there

49:30

or the releases were there. I should say

49:32

no proper English. It's important He

49:35

was able to threaten vertically even against against some

49:37

of those best the better secondaries that

49:39

he went up against He had good strength coming off

49:41

of the line scrimmage, but 2023 he he

49:43

was not the same player I

49:46

thought the polish was not there

49:48

from his routes from his releases He

49:50

just was not able to get as

49:53

open vertically even with that same speed because

49:55

he's got great long speed I think and

49:58

this senior Bowl He had some

50:00

nice catches. I'm not going to take everything away from him, but

50:02

there were way too many times where he should, you got to

50:04

come down with it. Ball's hitting your hands, you got to be

50:06

able to catch it. And he just didn't. So

50:09

when you're a receiver that is

50:11

still not

50:13

super polished, especially what felt

50:15

like you took a step back from 2022 to 2023, I

50:17

know he went through a lot. It was like the NCAA

50:19

eligibility and not being able to play most of the first

50:21

half of the season. So I get

50:24

that that kind of might go into it, but it

50:26

was just a tough showing for him at the Senior Bowl. And I

50:28

was really, really excited to see him in Mobile. And

50:31

I was disappointed by how low his

50:33

catch percentage was. So to me, I

50:36

still think that landing spot, like I said, was worthy. And like

50:38

I said, a little bit with Thomas, vertical

50:41

spots, Indianapolis Colts, second round,

50:43

can the Colts get him and put him

50:45

with Anthony Richardson with that big arm to

50:47

play as just purely a vertical stretch kind

50:49

of a guy. You don't have to put

50:51

a lot on his plate. That

50:54

is a landing spot that I really

50:56

think the Colts still need to address

50:58

and unlock. So both Xavier Worthy and

51:00

Tez Walker, to me, in

51:03

Indianapolis would be a good spot for him. Yeah,

51:05

I like that, Finn, especially the assumption

51:07

that Michael Pittman Jr. is going to be back.

51:10

And Pittman is what

51:12

I always classify as the uber possession type, the

51:14

guy that's going to not

51:16

average high yards per catch, but move the chains.

51:18

And Pittman had games last year where he had

51:20

six out of their 10 passing first downs or

51:23

whatever it might have been, complimenting

51:25

that with the vertical threat, with Josh Downs in the

51:27

slot. Again, it's a big year, I think, for the

51:29

Colts from a receiver standpoint. Also with

51:31

you on Tez Walker, the disappointment at the Senior

51:33

Bowl, low catch rate, kept dropping passes

51:35

or he was losing at the catch point, whatever it

51:37

might have been. And

51:40

I'm with you as well, another guy that feels, it

51:43

has only really been used as a vertical

51:45

threat, right? And one of the biggest challenges

51:47

in scouting, it's like, well, here's how a

51:49

guy's used, can he do these other things

51:51

that we haven't seen a whole lot

51:53

of, but he does feel like that's going to

51:55

be his game, is win vertically. I

51:57

don't think he's as nuanced.

52:00

a route runner in the short and intermediate

52:02

routes. And so I think as

52:04

a vertical threat, where there's a little bit

52:06

less pressure, right? It's like just win on

52:08

a couple routes, make an impact. That's how DK

52:10

Metcalfe made an impact immediately, right? DK

52:12

might be the perfect example of guy that doesn't

52:15

have a full polished game, but

52:17

they just threw him goes and hosts

52:19

and slants his first couple of

52:21

years and he was plenty productive and it gave him time

52:23

to polish up the other parts of his game, which he

52:25

really doesn't even need because he was a big, he was

52:28

a deep threat. So I think that's how you wanna

52:30

use a Tez Walker early on and just let him

52:32

win down the field. I

52:35

agree, I agree. That's what you gotta do with him

52:37

early on. We didn't plan it

52:39

because we went through the top

52:41

10, but the chat's asking about Laguette and

52:44

not necessarily a best fit, but is there a reason?

52:46

Are you lower on him than most or what are

52:49

your thoughts on Xavier Laguette from? Yeah,

52:51

Laguette's right around here. I think it was YGiver10

52:53

for me when Connor and I went through YGiver

52:55

rankings for the Stock

52:57

Exchange podcaster. He might, I can't remember if he

52:59

was like 10 or 11. He was right around

53:01

there and

53:04

Laguette's interesting. I

53:06

think that he could certainly be a good pro, but

53:11

he really was not using the offense at all whatsoever

53:13

until this past year. The

53:15

coaching staff from what I heard said

53:17

he had an unbelievable summer camp. Like he was basically

53:19

just unguardable in summer camp. So they had to get

53:21

him more involved in the passing offense. Juice Wells goes

53:23

down with an injury. So now all of a sudden,

53:25

all the wide receiver, one targets are

53:27

basically Laguettes. And he was great this year. The

53:30

issue that I have with him is South Carolina,

53:35

he is, you mentioned DK Metcalf. He is a

53:37

Metcalf type of player. Like not a lot of

53:39

polish in his routes. He's not a great route

53:41

runner, but he's just a monster contested catch dude.

53:44

And he moves a lot more

53:46

explosively than you would think for a player of

53:48

his size. But then I say a player of

53:50

his size, South Carolina had him listed at like

53:52

six foot three, 227 pounds. He

53:55

shows up to Mobile at the senior bowl and he

53:58

weighs in at like. Six-one,

54:00

just under 220, right around

54:02

220 pounds. The

54:06

arm length was short, the hands

54:08

were small. It's like, damn, okay.

54:12

You know, Metcalf was a monster, like physically,

54:14

right? And I'm not just talking about like

54:16

muscular, like he was big, he was tall,

54:18

he was long, he was fast, he

54:21

was strong, he was all these things. And Xavier

54:24

Laguette is trying to play that style, but he's trying

54:26

to do so at just six foot one with

54:29

shorter arms and smaller hands. And

54:31

so that to me kind of

54:33

goes into the evaluation of, all right, well, he's not

54:35

really winning consistently

54:39

outside of being a yards after catch kind of

54:41

a dude, because I mean, he's still really athletic

54:43

for whatever his size is. We saw that on

54:45

tape, it doesn't take away what he did. But

54:48

when you're moving even from SEC level to NFL level,

54:50

it's a little bit different. You want to have every

54:52

advantage that you possibly can. So he's

54:55

kind of right around there for me. I was just shocked,

54:58

honestly, about his measurables. And then

55:00

at the senior bowl, it was

55:03

a lot of the same. Like I felt like Laguette

55:06

was fine at the senior bowl, but it

55:08

felt like if he was not winning

55:10

as a one on one down the

55:12

sideline, deep contested catch player, he

55:15

really wasn't winning at all. So one

55:17

dimensional, a little smaller than we thought.

55:21

I'm just a little bit nervous about

55:23

how scheme proof this

55:25

guy would be. To talk about different shapes and sizes

55:27

of NFL wide receivers and how you

55:30

can find success in a lot of different ways. It's true,

55:33

but when you draft wide receivers

55:36

high in the first round in the top

55:38

50, in the top two rounds, whatever you want to

55:40

say, you kind of got to

55:42

want to have some scheme versatility. You don't want

55:44

to be his pigeonhole there, right? Like that's why,

55:46

say to Jaylen Hyatt for an example. Jaylen

55:48

Hyatt wins the Bolittnikov Award the year before,

55:51

insane production as a vertical turret receiver. He

55:54

goes in the third round to New York Giants. And the reason

55:56

why is because it's like, okay, well, not

55:58

really a good route runner. long legs stiff

56:01

in the hips, he's probably not

56:03

going to be able to give you too much as

56:05

a route runner even beyond what we saw at Tennessee.

56:07

So he's just that straight line great vertical speed. And

56:10

when you become pretty one dimensional, that

56:13

limits how high you could go. So anyways, for Legette

56:15

though, landing spots that I would like, I think

56:18

Philadelphia for him, you know, in that wide receiver

56:20

rotation is kind of like just a depth player

56:22

along with an AJ Brown type of

56:24

a style with Yvonne Smith style, you know, come in

56:26

and be in a wide receiver for probably for them

56:28

right away. I think that's an option. I also don't

56:30

mind Dallas Cowboys, think of the Cowboys, Coach is going

56:32

into last year of his deal. Golf wasn't as good

56:34

as what we thought he was going to be last

56:36

year. T. Lam is going to be the wide receiver

56:38

one and they got Jaylen Tolbert to be a good

56:40

vertical threat for them. But you get another wide receiver

56:43

four wide receiver five type of a player like Legette,

56:45

who's also, I think it'd be a beast for you

56:47

on special teams because the coaching staff

56:49

of South Carolina raised about the type of worker he is.

56:52

That's my thoughts on Legette. Somebody who I

56:55

like the decent amount, I was

56:57

just pretty shocked about his measurements and really

57:00

standing on the field next to him and

57:02

watching him in practices and mobile. He

57:05

came in at 6-1, 2-23 officially. Yeah,

57:09

31 and 5-8 inch arms or

57:11

whatever. Yeah.

57:14

But yeah, I mean, a lot of us highlight

57:16

real players are definitely in tested situations going up

57:18

again. We're still pre-combined

57:21

and everything. And I know people like

57:23

to poo-poo the combine, but it does

57:25

matter. Not everything matters. And it doesn't

57:27

matter in a linear fashion. It

57:29

doesn't just matter about the 40. But

57:32

it's more data to add to the equation

57:34

here. I think Legette looked fast on

57:37

film. I'm curious to know what

57:39

he might run. We also

57:41

have game speeds for all these guys. But

57:44

that stuff's going to matter. That's going to change

57:46

evaluation. So we're just starting the process. But it's

57:49

another one of those years. There's like 15

57:51

or 20 receivers probably hyped up as

57:54

potential top 100 picks. Not

57:56

all of them are going to go. Everybody

57:58

loves wide receivers. Everybody loves wide receivers. Every

58:00

every wide receivers the top one on the pig

58:02

and it's just not it's not gonna It's not

58:04

gonna have it like that. It's just the nature

58:06

of it And again, I think that's why because

58:08

they're also extremely valuable when you have one, but

58:10

you're playing the scarcity game, right? It's harder to

58:12

find a starting caliber Offensive tackle I've

58:15

had to personally come around to this a

58:17

little bit more over the last couple years. I think the

58:19

NFL Generally gets it

58:21

right when it comes to you know, draft

58:23

the big guys early grit drafter tackles drop

58:25

draft your edges because Elite

58:28

guys are harder to come by So when starters are

58:30

harder to come by and from a receiver standpoint of

58:32

us as we said a hundred times on the show

58:35

You can hide skill sets a little bit more at

58:37

that position and ease them in You know

58:39

with 500 snaps in a season rather than a thousand

58:41

right away. So Yep,

58:43

anything else to add here today? Trevor

58:46

that was fun. Just talking ball man. I

58:48

think we said 10 and I think we gave the

58:50

people 13 So gave you a little

58:52

because I threw we threw Key on Coleman in there

58:54

we threw Xavier worthy in there and we threw They

58:58

really getting there. So that that is the

59:01

That's the ethos here on the PFF NFL

59:03

podcast Trevor We started a series a couple

59:05

years ago where we said we're

59:07

gonna do one show and we're gonna fix every

59:09

team in five minutes Right. So

59:11

we're just gonna we're gonna do it so fast

59:13

We're just gonna fly through give some answers in Google

59:16

and from the very first team Sam was like, alright

59:18

Let's break down the QB situation. I was like, okay,

59:20

we're not doing this in five minutes So

59:23

we we started going Division

59:25

we started doing two divisions per show so it went

59:27

from five minutes to every team was getting 20 Yeah,

59:30

we still call it fixing every team in

59:32

five minutes. So we're just known for giving

59:34

more. That's what we do You still call

59:36

it fixing every team in five minutes. We

59:39

say fixing every team in

59:41

five minutes and then in parentheses lol

59:43

Jk because we can never do

59:45

anything that quickly here I just means that you guys

59:47

love ball you just want to talk ball do you

59:49

know we do and that series is coming up We

59:51

always do that like right before free agency. We you

59:54

know fix teams with free agents in the draft So

59:56

that's that's all coming up here soon once

59:59

Sam gets back from his extended vacation or whatever he's

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1:00:30

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1:00:32

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