Mike talks with political scientist Matt Grossmann, Director of Michigan State University's Institute for Public Policy and Social Research, about his book Artists of the Possible: Governing Networks and American Policy Change Since 1945.Topics Mike & Matt discuss include:how much of a role the public has in policy changethe flaws in our standard notions of how policy change happenshow Matt examined every major policy change from 1945 - 2004why policy favors the status quo - and liberal interestsPresident Trump as a policymakerand lots moreFollow Matt Grossmann on TwitterListener support helps make The Politics Guys possible. If you’re interested in supporting the show, go to patreon.com/politicsguys or politicsguys.com/support.Support this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/the-politics-guys/donationsAdvertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brandsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacyLearn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices