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I know you're gonna dig this Welcome

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.

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This is what you have been waiting

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for .

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And now we're starting the podcast

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in five , four , three

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, hello , hello , Welcome

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to the powers point podcast , season four

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, episode 32 . Today

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I have a special episode

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for you all to listen to . The

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gang isn't here at the moment

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. They're still out enjoying their holiday

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festivities . But

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this episode , it means a

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lot to me and I'll tell you why

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. Because a couple years ago

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, when Gavin , craig and myself started

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Majors Mess Hall , we all had like

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a wish list of people

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that we would love to have on the show and

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since we all love trailer park boys

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, we actively pursued

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all that we could because we were

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just so enamored with that show

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. It made us all laugh . We all had

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the same feelings . And then you had Craig

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, who wanted Bob Ross on , and

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we all know about Bob Ross . So

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even though I left the mess hall

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, gavin still pursued trying

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to get as many of the cast on as

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he could , and he landed one

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late last month , early this month

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, and I was lucky enough to

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get the invite to sit in with him

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and Kelly and talk to

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one of the most loved characters on

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the show , who not only is important

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in front of the camera but

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he's equally , if not more

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as , important behind the camera

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. He wrote , produced , directed

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some of the episodes , and I'm talking about

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Barry Dunn , who played Ray

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, and everybody loves Ray , let's

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just face it . He's kind of like that character

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that creeps up on you . You just love

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him . So I'm going to play this interview

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with Barry and Gavin and Kelly

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and myself , and then I'm

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going to throw in a song that I did

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and then , like I said , Friday

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, this Friday or early Saturday

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, we will all be back together and

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enjoying Christmas festivities

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or holiday festivities , whatever

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you celebrate . So here's Barry Dunn

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. Hope you like it as much as I did .

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Hey buddy , how's it going ? Good

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, how are you guys ? Excellent , oh

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look , you've got all dressed up . You've got a shirt on there . Look

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at me , I always

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wear this . Anyway

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, so just to introduce you , I'm Gavin , who

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you've obviously been talking to . We've

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got Scott , who's in Chicago .

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It's got it , and Kelly Don't mind the

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trapeze .

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I was going to put something like that on me . That's not

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really , and Kelly's Nobody would believe it .

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I'm sorry . No

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, I was just saying Kelly's back in the UK . Hi , kelly .

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Hi , how are you ? This is international

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.

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It is . We're all over the place .

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Where are you , Gavin ?

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I'm in Col Harbour . Yeah

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, yeah , we're close .

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You and I are fairly close .

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Yeah , you want New Glasgow away . Is that where you're

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based ?

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No , out the eastern shore oh .

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OK yeah , nice . Yeah , not

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too far then . No , and

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you're obviously used to like Col Harbour anyway , because

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you obviously there was a lot of filming at one point

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, wasn't there here , so yeah

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, we started shooting in Col

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Harbour Gosh , I have

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to remember .

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I think it was season five .

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That's right . Yeah , yeah , you know

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I do yeah .

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I mean I'll defer to every question to you

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, yeah , yeah , every question .

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Well , I know Mike Smith quite well and often

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he'll be telling me something and he'll

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have it wrong . He's got it wrong and he's torn them out and

3:59

I'm like that's not right . And he just looks at me and laughs and he goes

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yeah , you obviously know you're stuffed .

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You know , a few years ago I did a . I'm

4:07

just kind of trying to get this thing set up properly . A

4:10

few years ago I did a show

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for CBC about the

4:14

Canada Russia 72 hockey series

4:17

and I had done so

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much research on that and

4:22

I interviewed all the key players

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, coaches , and

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I knew more than

4:30

they did and of course I

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had researched it . They hadn't . It

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was at least 30 years after

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the event took place , so everything

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in their mind was not as fresh as mine . So

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I would do the same thing . I would correct them on who

4:45

scored goals and what the scores

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of games were .

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Yeah , yeah , so

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sometimes I feel a bit rude because I'm like they've got that wrong

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, but I need to tell them .

4:57

Better to know , better to have the truth .

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Exactly . So how have you been ? Obviously because

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you know like for you know the likes of the trailer park boys

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fans . We obviously haven't seen you for

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over 10 years now . So how have you been doing

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?

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Well , I've been . Well , you know , I

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have been , you know , trying to keep busy

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and have other projects

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on the go . I took a bit of a break

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after after

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we left Mike Klatenberg

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and I left the show , I

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think . I think we sort of got out

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of it officially in 2013 , right after the last

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movie , the third movie , which I

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think was called Don't Legalize it . You can correct

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me .

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Yeah , you're nervous now , aren't you , to

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get it wrong ?

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So you know I took a bit of a break . It's

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a slog . I think anybody who's involved

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in a TV series will tell you that it's

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a slog , you know , and

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it's fun . It's

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great fun , of course , from the shooting is fun

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, you know it's it's it's

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so time consuming . You don't have time for

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much of anything else really , including

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working in other projects . So now I took a bit of a

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break , I'd say a couple of years , two or three years after

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.

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Nice , yeah , well , end

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well , end break indeed .

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Good thing .

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So we'll , we'll , we'll touch on trailer park boys in a little

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bit . But I just want to know obviously

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you were I spoke to you about this on the

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phone as well and you were going to kind of get into it and then stopped

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. But you were like a

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street performer in Eastern Europe like

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many , many years ago . Yeah

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, I'm just curious like what did you do ? Like what was

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that ? What did that entail ?

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Well , it was in the mid 70s

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, I was . I went to theater school in the UK

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. Actually , kelly , where are you from in the

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UK ?

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By Liverpool . Oh , A little bit

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bit north .

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It's the same as me .

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Yeah .

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I know London well though .

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Yeah , I went to London . I lived there for a couple

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of years going to theater school and

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when I was going

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to theater school I hate to talk about this because

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my wife constantly embarrasses

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me about it and

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I got involved with the Mime Company

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. Now

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you can pause here for snide

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comments .

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We're expecting you to give us an example

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. Yeah , but the Mime

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, the Mime thing's not going to work on audio , though

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.

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I was in my twenties , my body was

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far more live than it is now . So

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, anyway , I got involved with the steer company

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and through the theater school

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that I was attending , and

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we were invited to perform

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in Yugoslavia , which

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at the time was Yugoslavia . I

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was in Zagreb , which is now Croatia , but

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so we went there on student visas , if

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memory serves me correctly . Yeah

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, student visas . We weren't professional

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and a friend

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of mine , two or three of

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us , got together and we

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were in Croatia , I would

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say in Zagreb for at

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least six weeks or so , and

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we would go down to the main square

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and I

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did as much as I could . I

8:14

was only embarrassing myself . Is

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that okay , gavin ? Did

8:20

I answer your ?

8:20

question yeah , you did , yeah , Like

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did you . Was it like Boskin ? Did you make some money doing

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it ?

8:27

Well , yeah , no , we

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didn't make much money , but yeah , it's like Boskin , you

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know , we were sort of on the street . You

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see a lot more now and you see it from far

8:37

better performers than I was . I mean , we

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probably didn't make much money because we weren't very good

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, but

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you know , we , you know it

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wasn't much People in

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Zagreb and this would be 1976

8:50

, maybe 77 , you

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know , weren't

8:56

to giving out their hard earned money

8:58

, right , yeah , and

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in 76 , yugoslavia

9:03

was still part of the , you know somewhat

9:05

. I don't know if it was officially part of the Iron Curtain

9:07

, but it was a . It was certainly

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a communist

9:12

country and not altogether affluent

9:14

, I would say . So people didn't give a lot of

9:16

money , but they were always very kind and

9:19

, you know , and I think they had a real

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well

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, what am I telling you , kelly ? You know this , you lived there . Right

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, things have a real understanding

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of culture

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, more so than we do , in the sense that

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they have broader interests , I think . So

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, I think in 75 , 76 , we

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were there attending a theater festival

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. We were performing at a theater festival and

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there were countries from Romania , hungary

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, uk

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, probably France , you

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know , so a lot of countries from Western

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and Eastern Europe and

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the shows were extremely well attended

9:59

. I mean , there would be cello's in venues that must

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have set three , four , five hundred

10:03

people . So you know , I don't

10:05

think something like that would have happened

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, not in Dartmouth , I don't think . Maybe how

10:11

did you go from , although things are

10:13

different , but certainly , you know

10:16

, people were . People were very nice , very

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friendly .

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How'd you go from a street performer in Eastern

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Europe to being back in Canada and

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being an actor ?

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Well , I graduated in

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70s you know the years of 76

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, I think it was . I came back to Canada after

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graduating from theater school and

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I looked for work as an actor and the first

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, I would say the first year or two is very tough

10:43

, you know , and I lived in Halifax . So I mean it

10:46

was the wrong thing to do in many ways

10:48

to stay in Halifax to look

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for work as an actor . My

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brother , who went to theater school with me , he went to

10:55

Toronto , which is where you

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know the equivalent , I guess , scottie would be

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. You know , in United States you go

11:02

to New York or LA , right , all

11:05

of Chicago . Chicago has a really

11:07

vibrant . I mean a lot of great

11:09

actors and comedians

11:11

have come out of Chicago , as I'm sure you know .

11:14

Yeah .

11:14

But anyway , I stayed in Halifax

11:16

and I think it

11:19

was a struggle . I'll tell you , it was a real

11:21

struggle , you

11:23

know . Finally

11:26

, in Gavin

11:31

I forget what year it was do you remember what year I went

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to Toronto ?

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You don't know that answer . Well , yeah

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, I'm a little bit stuck on that one .

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I think it was 77 . I think I went up to Toronto

11:46

. Yeah , I was in the fall of 77 . I went

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to Toronto and I was

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married at the time to a

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different person and we

11:56

tried to survive in theater

11:58

and I got a couple of jobs , you

12:00

know , and they didn't pay well

12:02

, but I think I made 90 bucks

12:05

a week , which

12:07

.

12:07

Fucked down . It's not too bad , is it , but you ?

12:09

know , at the time in 1977

12:11

, it wasn't bad , you know , I don't think you could live

12:13

on it , I think . I think my

12:15

partner at the time was working , I think

12:18

. And then the funny

12:20

thing is I was performing at this theater

12:22

company in Toronto and a

12:25

company called

12:27

Factory Theatre Lab I think it still exists

12:29

anyway and

12:34

there was a handwritten notice on

12:37

the bulletin board like

12:40

hand scribble , looking for actors in

12:43

Nova Scotia , new theater

12:45

company , and I thought , oh , what the hell you know

12:47

? So I applied and I got the

12:49

job , came back to Nova Scotia

12:51

and worked with this

12:53

theater company for , I think three years

12:56

and I also worked

12:58

at Neptune , worked with John Dunn'sworth

13:00

. John and I , john

13:02

and I worked first time I had known

13:05

of John Dunn , because John was quite a legend

13:07

in Halifax long before I knew him

13:10

. John ran a theater company called Pure 20

13:12

Pure , I think it was Pure

13:14

20 , I could be wrong about that , but it

13:16

doesn't matter and John did some

13:18

really interesting work . And

13:20

so I got my first job

13:22

on the professional stage , if you like , at

13:24

Neptune Theatre in Halifax in

13:26

a play , shakespearean play , othello

13:28

, and I

13:31

had one line , one line

13:33

, and I think John had

13:36

two or three , I forget . Anyway

13:39

, john introduced me to professional

13:42

theatre in Halifax and and

13:44

never since then , john and I kept him

13:47

. You know , john and I worked together many times

13:49

over the years and you know , and stayed

13:51

good friends and then became a bit different . I

13:53

think once in a sense

13:56

that being a producer of a show , you're

13:58

kind of the boss of the show . You

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know , I don't know you guys ever have

14:07

to be boss of a friend , you know it would

14:09

be difficult , yeah , yeah , it could be . I

14:11

mean , it doesn't have to be . But I

14:13

definitely make it a policy now not to , you

14:15

know , not to get involved with my

14:17

best friends , try not to get involved

14:20

in in projects together

14:22

because they don't always end up well . But

14:25

anyway , john and I worked together for quite a long time .

14:27

Sorry , can you hear me now ?

14:29

sorry , yeah

14:35

, yeah , how does it differ going

14:37

from theatre to TV , and like did

14:39

the audience differ from country to country ?

14:42

yeah , that's a really good , interesting question

14:44

. Yeah , the two there's two styles

14:47

of acting are quite , quite different

14:49

. Are you guys okay with my image

14:51

here ?

14:52

yeah , washed out , okay listen

14:55

, we're pulling up with . We're pulling up with Scott's tropical

14:57

one there , so don't worry .

15:01

Scott , you're gonna have to tell me how you did that is

15:03

that . Is that one of those backgrounds , a virtual

15:05

background ? Yeah or

15:07

are you on Lake Michigan right now ? No

15:09

, no .

15:10

I wish that was Lake .

15:11

Michigan . I'm just hoping to see you go , flies over

15:13

and shits on him .

15:14

To be honest , but

15:18

go back to your question , kelly . Yeah , the two

15:20

techniques are quite different . And well

15:23

, I'm trying to remember these are . I should have , I

15:25

should have got up , brushed up on my dates . But I

15:27

, I , I did a . I

15:31

did a TV half hour drama in

15:33

Halifax and and

15:35

the director there took

15:38

a liking to me , he

15:40

brought me on to CBC where I worked for

15:42

seven years in the drama department and

15:45

we , we did , and while I was there I

15:47

didn't do so much acting as I did , writing

15:51

network executive

15:54

stuff . I'm very

15:56

boring , wouldn't want to do it again , but it was

15:58

. It was a nice time in my life . I don't

16:01

have a network . I don't know how TV executives do

16:03

it . I don't know . I

16:05

think they must have . I don't know

16:07

I would be bored . I was bored and

16:09

anyway , I don't think I've

16:11

answered your question , kelly . But going

16:14

to back to answer part of your question

16:17

, kelly , about the differences

16:19

in audiences , just taking trailer park boys as an

16:21

example and

16:23

Scott , you're , you're , you

16:25

are an American , about you live , you're from

16:27

the United States . Yes , sir , um

16:31

, trailer park boys did

16:33

extremely well , obviously in Canada , but

16:35

not , you know , not right away took , there was

16:37

, there was a hardcore group

16:39

of trailer park boys fans in that first

16:41

year and thank god for that because you

16:44

know they kept the show going . It

16:47

could easily have been

16:49

one one and done with that show

16:51

. You know it was an amazing

16:54

that we got it off the ground to begin with . But

16:57

with trailer park boys we did extremely

16:59

well in in Canada . We sold

17:01

, I think , kelly to the UK

17:03

. I'm not sure what networks

17:06

it may have been on . I

17:08

do know this that we sold in

17:10

Ireland . My family

17:12

doctor at the time this tell

17:14

me , tell me , stop

17:17

me any one of you anytime , because

17:19

I promise you I can know

17:22

it's fine , it's fascinating . Honestly it's it's really

17:25

great but my doctor , my family

17:27

doctor in all effects , was Irish

17:29

, I'm not sure where

17:31

, I'm not sure if he was from Northern Ireland or the Republic

17:34

anyway , um , one

17:36

day I'm in , I'm in having a checkup

17:39

or something , and he says , he

17:41

says I just heard from my nephew

17:44

in Ireland who

17:47

loves a show called trailer park boys

17:49

. He asked my doctor , did

17:51

you know anything about it ? And

17:53

he said , well , yes , I

17:57

don't know how much confidential

17:59

information , anyway , I put

18:01

together a whole package of trailer park boys

18:03

stopped to enter to send to Ireland

18:05

. So my point was that in Ireland it did very

18:08

well . Now we sold to other countries like Scandinavia

18:11

and Spain . I've

18:13

never seen how they've dubbed

18:16

those shows . Curious . But

18:19

to finally answer

18:21

your kill , your question , kill , we

18:24

did not do it very well in

18:26

the United States . We

18:28

, we , I think we first

18:30

sold to . I

18:32

think first was BBC America , which

18:34

was a very niche channel , uh

18:38

, and I don't know how many episodes

18:40

, how many seasons they showed . Then

18:42

I think we went to the comedy channel

18:45

, look , yeah , the comedy channel , and

18:47

again it didn't do all that well , uh

18:50

, and of course comedy

18:52

channel and BBC America both bleeped

18:54

. So you can imagine what trailer

18:56

park boys would sound like bleeped and he would be

18:58

essentially just . It would really ruin

19:01

the flow . Yeah , and

19:03

you , you know if it's like in

19:05

that episode where Ricky says if I can't smoke

19:07

and swear I'm fucked , you

19:11

know , it was like if , if

19:13

we can't swear on TV we're

19:16

fucked , nobody's gonna watch this show because it just

19:18

really . You know that . You know , I mean , ricky

19:20

, roy Wells is

19:22

a master at swearing . I

19:25

think I think he could give courses and to

19:27

teach actors how to swear , naturally

19:29

, you know , because he could do

19:32

it . Bubbles could do it as well . Um

19:34

, I , to be honest , I wasn't as

19:36

good at it . I think , um

19:39

, and

19:41

I don't think Jim Lay , he ever swore

19:43

, if I recall correctly , but

19:45

anyway , um , yeah , ricky , so , so

19:47

they just didn't do well in the United States and we made

19:49

our first movie , our first trailer park boys movie

19:52

. We made that Ivan Reitman .

19:54

Ghostbusters .

19:56

Ghostbusters and so many other great

19:58

movies yeah , I'm just a huge Ghostbusters

20:00

fan . I

20:03

mean it's not a cult , it's huge movie , it's a wonderful

20:06

movie yeah and he had set you to produce that

20:08

for your very first episode . And

20:10

, um , he was . We

20:12

screened it in Toronto as part of the trauma

20:14

film . It wasn't , it wasn't in the trauma film

20:17

festival , but we screened it during the trauma film

20:19

festival because all of the network buyers

20:21

were there and Ivan

20:23

set this thing up . He invited all of his

20:25

uh and he knows everybody

20:27

in Hollywood , so virtually

20:29

every big Hollywood buyer in it

20:31

was at the screening and

20:33

Ivan fully expected , uh , after

20:37

the movie , the phone to

20:39

start ringing immediately with offers

20:41

, uh , to buy the movie

20:44

. And it

20:46

was a study in humanity because , uh

20:49

, we're all in this room together . Ivan

20:52

was telling us what , what

20:55

to say , what not to say . Let me do

20:57

all the talking . Five

21:00

minutes after we all sit in there , the

21:02

phone doesn't ring . 10

21:04

minutes , not a call . Half an

21:06

hour not a call . Nobody

21:08

in the United States wanted

21:11

to buy that movie .

21:13

Wow .

21:13

So yeah , there you go , kel . I mean , audiences

21:16

are different . I don't know why it didn't

21:18

take off in the United States the way it did I

21:21

. You know there were shows that came out

21:23

after Triller Park Boys in the United States . I think

21:25

there was a show called my Name is Earl .

21:28

Yeah , oh yeah .

21:29

I think I saw a couple of those

21:31

episodes . I mean I think it tried to copy and

21:34

actually we did . There was some interest

21:36

from buyers

21:38

to buy the what they call a format

21:41

rights of the show essentially

21:43

the format rights and stopped me , if you guys know this

21:45

. But the format rights are just

21:47

the right to essentially create well

21:49

, like the office in the UK . Yeah , yeah

21:51

. They bought the format

21:54

rights to do it in the United States with Stephen

21:56

Carell Right , and so there was some interest , but

21:58

I

22:00

don't know why I just never materialized

22:02

. National Lampoon was interested in buying it

22:04

but they wanted to call it National Lampoon

22:06

. Triller Park Boys .

22:08

Oh , no , yeah , that wouldn't work . It didn't

22:10

feel right to us , you know so yeah

22:12

, anyway , which is weird

22:14

because now it's massive in the states , like it's

22:16

. I think it's bigger there than it is in Canada .

22:18

Now , Is it really

22:20

? I think so .

22:21

Yeah , I think since Netflix picked it up . It's like it's

22:24

definitely because they they've done tours and stuff

22:26

and they do the Comic-Con and things now

22:28

and it's always in the states , sometimes you

22:30

kind of devil , yeah , yeah

22:33

, it's my first sort of it , when it hit Netflix

22:36

and then it was like a rage and

22:38

fire .

22:39

It just won't you

22:41

know like it went off crazy

22:43

and everybody was talking about it and

22:47

when did you first watch the

22:49

show Sky ?

22:51

What year ?

22:53

Oh , 2000 . Well , Gavin

22:55

11 .

22:58

10 . So we were well into it .

23:00

Yeah , yeah .

23:00

When you watch the first season , did you ? Did you

23:03

state yourself what that ? What

23:05

is this ?

23:07

This looks so Well . You

23:09

know , like the first , the first season , the first

23:11

couple episodes was about character development

23:13

and teaching you about who's who

23:15

, and at first I'm like

23:18

I'll stick with this . And

23:20

then it just got crazier and crazier . You

23:23

know , here you got Ray riding around

23:25

in a wheelchair looking over his shoulders , you

23:28

know , trying to evade , you

23:30

know , like insurance or whatever , and

23:32

these three guys were always going to jail

23:35

at the end of the season and

23:40

it just was like everybody

23:42

was talking about it down here .

23:44

Well , I guess it took Netflix

23:46

to do that . You know I

23:49

have to give the boys credit because they they

23:52

. When my last season working on the

23:54

show was season seven I it doesn't

23:56

mean anything , I suppose , because you

23:58

don't know what the season numbers

24:01

are they took it over , did season eight , nine , 10 , 11

24:03

. I'm not sure how many they did , and

24:06

it would be 12 .

24:07

12 . Yeah .

24:09

After John . After John died they I

24:11

think they went to an animated show , so

24:13

I guess it did well and

24:16

the boys have always been on the road to performing the show . I

24:20

think Bubbles is on the road now . I

24:22

think he's making . Yeah , he did .

24:23

He said I think they just they wrapped it up . It's coming

24:25

out next year and new movie .

24:28

You know more about it than I do . Yeah Well , I was

24:30

in it as well . I was in it .

24:32

So we did the days filming , which was great

24:35

fun . So are you sworn to secrecy ?

24:36

You can't tell me what it's about . I

24:39

can tell you , but .

24:40

I won't tell you on the podcast . Tell

24:43

me the title .

24:43

I think I know the title it's

24:46

called Bubbles , bubbles and the Shit Rockers .

24:49

It's ? It basically follows Bubbles band

24:51

around Europe , right

24:53

, right , yeah . Are the other boys in

24:55

it , like a Robin G there in it as well ? Yeah , I

24:58

think it's focused mainly on Bubbles , but the other

25:00

guys are in it too . Yeah , well , I mean talk about it right up the alley

25:02

.

25:03

You know , talk about working with your strengths , of course

25:05

. Mike is such a good performer , you know musician

25:07

To and to create that character

25:09

of Bubbles and the Shit Rockers

25:11

, I mean , you know , and

25:13

I bet he's got a

25:15

lot of good people playing with them too . Yeah , it's a solid band . It is

25:18

a solid band . Yeah , I've seen him play a few times .

25:20

Yeah , Well

25:23

, good for them , yeah , so um so like

25:25

when you , when it came time to you to

25:28

. Obviously you saw , you got you and Mike

25:31

Lattinby , you sold the rights to the boys . Was that hard ? Yeah , Was

25:34

that hard decision for you ? Were

25:38

you just were you ready at that point to go ? You know what ? It's

25:41

time to kind of pass the torch on , yeah

25:43

.

25:45

That's a good question . I think I was

25:47

ready and I think Mike

25:49

see was . I hate to speak for Mike , yeah , but

25:52

yeah , I

25:55

think we felt it was time Um

25:58

to to move

26:00

on . Um , it

26:02

was very hard for Mike Clattenberg Cause

26:05

you know , mike was the P creative force on that

26:07

show .

26:07

Yeah .

26:08

And so Mike had to constantly come up

26:10

with new episode ideas , and you

26:13

know , and uh , there

26:16

are , uh , it was just time

26:18

. I think it was just time for Mike

26:20

and I to get out . You know , I think it was , uh

26:24

, I , I , I , I re . I

26:26

missed it in some ways , but in a lot of ways

26:28

I think it was the right decision . Yeah , you know if you're

26:30

, there's a certain you

26:32

know you're , there's

26:35

a certain set of you know five , five , but I think

26:37

it might have been a little more interesting . But there's

26:42

a you don't and I think

26:45

it maybe in some ways it's it's already happened to some degree you

26:47

get sort of typecast . I mean Mike Smith , I can't . Well , mike

26:49

, I think , is a probably a very good actor and Rob

26:51

has done other work outside of trailer part voice . I'm

26:54

not sure about John Paul . So I

26:56

mean they've done at least Rob has done a good job of not being typecast

26:58

. You know , as as Ricky um project that

27:00

you want to do , and there were other projects

27:02

that I wanted to do that

27:06

I

27:08

think in some ways

27:10

, having trailer park boys

27:12

over my head was . I

27:22

think there was a lot of condescension , let's put

27:24

it that way from the big mucky mucks

27:26

in Toronto who

27:28

thought that , oh , what a quaint little

27:30

show those maritimeers did

27:32

and it's

27:34

not real TV and they're not

27:36

really actors and they're not really writers

27:39

. And I

27:41

think what pissed them off the most was

27:43

that we created a show arguably

27:47

the top

27:49

rated comedy in Canada

27:52

in years and years and years that they have never been

27:54

able to create and still haven't created . Now

27:56

there are some shows out there . I'm sure

27:58

that you guys could comment on that . I haven't

28:01

seen that Canadian comedy

28:03

. I don't know , I don't really watch much

28:05

anymore . Do you guys

28:07

watch a lot of Canadian TV ? I bet you

28:09

, scott . I bet you don't even know what Canadian TV is

28:11

outside .

28:13

I do . I watch a lot of Canadian

28:15

comedies like corner gas

28:17

letter , kenny , uh uh

28:20

uh . You know trailer

28:23

park boys , of course . Yeah

28:26

, pink is in . I watch

28:28

quite more up there than I do

28:30

down here .

28:31

Is that right ? Well , yeah , corner

28:33

gas had a nice run , didn't they ? You know ? And I think

28:35

it's Larry Kenny , I don't know , I have not seen

28:37

that show , it's

28:39

okay .

28:40

This I mean they say at rivals trailer park boys

28:42

, I don't think it does . It's kind of a say

28:44

it's a certain niches

28:47

post , it's got it . You know it's got a certain kind

28:49

of fan Does it . It's not for me

28:51

. Scott likes it .

28:54

Yeah , I like it . Do you get it over in the

28:56

UK , Kelly ?

28:57

No , I tend to watch when I visit

28:59

Gavin Goal Harbor . Yeah

29:02

, she watches it all as she comes over here .

29:04

I mean Britain and comedy

29:07

go hand in hand . I mean you , britain

29:09

has created so many wonderful

29:12

comedy shows . I think I'd

29:14

have to say my favorite . I have two favorite

29:16

TV shows the

29:19

Office , the British version . Yeah brilliant

29:21

, and I even hate to say the British version

29:23

, because to me there is only one .

29:26

Yeah , I mean , I like the American one , but the British one's definitely

29:28

the best . Ricky Gervais is a genius , so

29:30

good .

29:31

Ricky Gervais is so , so clever

29:33

, so funny . And the other one that

29:35

was the Larry Larry , larry

29:37

Sandershell with Gary Shanling . Do you guys ever watch

29:39

that ?

29:40

Oh yeah , yeah , I haven't seen that , no , but I know .

29:42

Oh , he's gone now . He's long gone

29:44

, but the show has been on for years . But those

29:46

are my sort of my go-to

29:48

shows and I'm , you know . So

29:51

, yeah , I know Gavin was time , I think

29:53

it was time to leave and you know , and

29:55

the guys certainly had the creative energy to keep

29:57

going and I think that's , you know , and

30:00

more power to them , and they've done extremely

30:02

well with it .

30:02

So yeah , well , I remember at the , I

30:04

was at the premiere for the third movie

30:07

. It was your last involvement with the show and

30:10

right before they showed the movie , you , you got up and

30:12

gave a speech . This was in Halifax , in the Oxford

30:14

, I believe that was it called the Oxford , yeah , and

30:17

you gave a really nice sort of send off

30:19

speech . It was so nice . And

30:21

then I knew afterwards I was going to , we were going to do

30:23

like an after party , and I was like , oh , I've got to meet Barry

30:25

and you , you , you weren't there , or at least I didn't see you

30:28

there , but that speech

30:30

that you gave was really nice , it

30:32

was really nice .

30:33

Thank you . I , you know , and I think now that you

30:35

mentioned it , and I kind of remember it because

30:38

that's you knowing more about these things than I do

30:40

no , I tend to , I tend not to go

30:42

to the parties to tell you the truth

30:44

. I'm just not , I'm not

30:47

a party guy , you know . And again , we you

30:49

and I were talking before doing

30:51

this podcast is , I've

30:54

been nervous about this all week .

30:56

Aww .

30:57

Yes , yes , so many fans

31:00

worldwide . I

31:02

don't . I , you know , it's that

31:05

thing here . Here's the thing I I

31:07

don't like to watch interviews

31:09

about actors . I think

31:11

things , especially when they talk about their work

31:13

they sound so self-important

31:15

and I always think that people

31:17

aren't going to watch this and they're going to think one or

31:19

two things oh , barry down , no , that's where

31:21

he is , he's in Nova Scotia . And the others

31:23

are going to think what a fucking asshole . And

31:26

I probably see it . No one's going to think that

31:29

. No , honestly . No

31:31

, I'm not looking for . I'm not looking for

31:33

, but that's what I think , because I think , because

31:35

that's what I think when I watch interviews , I think , oh

31:37

God well .

31:38

But it's funny because you say that . But it's

31:40

like it's insane to me

31:42

to even think that because , like

31:45

you , you created this character and you play this character , because

31:47

that's obviously what you're most known for is playing Ray

31:49

, and it was . It's been over 10 years

31:52

, but I'm not just saying this

31:54

, but Ray is one of the fan

31:56

favorite characters and even

31:58

though it's been 10 years , you are

32:00

, your character , is still a huge part

32:03

of the show . So , like , which is a testament

32:05

to you as an actor , obviously , and a producer

32:07

. So for you to come on and say , you

32:09

know , I don't really know what people would want to

32:11

know about me . You know they're going to think of an asshole , like

32:14

it's just , it's so foreign to me

32:16

because it's not the case at all . People

32:18

. People will love just even

32:20

just hearing your voice after this many years . That's

32:22

funny .

32:22

You know , I mean Ray

32:25

had some great lines . You

32:27

know , there's no question he had some of the best

32:29

lines in the show .

32:30

Best character on the show .

32:32

Well , you know he had . He did have some good

32:34

lines , but , no , I always felt insecure about the part

32:36

. And it's funny , you know , it's funny , I

32:39

, I , I

32:41

guess I'm known for playing Ray on

32:44

the show , but you know

32:46

, I , this is , this is the pompous in

32:48

me and this is the arrogance in me and this is why

32:50

I think people will , after the hear me talk , will think

32:53

what a dick . You know , I would

32:55

like to be remembered as the guy

32:57

who brought trailer park boys to television

32:59

and the road co-wrote the first two

33:01

seasons . You know that , yeah , right , in

33:03

the creative development of the show . That

33:05

that's far more important to me , although that's

33:07

that's the behind the scene stuff . The visible

33:10

stuff was the character Ray . But

33:13

here's an example and we

33:15

were , I think

33:17

we were filming . I guess I can't

33:20

remember this guy , I'm sorry , but

33:22

we were filming . We , I think we

33:24

were shooting the last movie , the trailer park boys

33:26

three movie , and we were shooting at Massey

33:29

Hall in Toronto , which is equivalent

33:31

to , I guess , what

33:35

I don't know it's . It's

33:37

the music venue and it's

33:39

not like . It's not like the

33:41

big state , the massive stadium , but

33:44

it's a . It's an intimate venue

33:46

for where all the musical acts love to perform

33:48

. Anyway , we were shooting

33:51

there and after

33:54

the show . I wasn't in the show

33:56

, we were . I was there with

33:58

my clout , but we were shooting some scenes , I think for

34:00

the movie , for the last movie , and

34:04

oh

34:09

, what was I going to say ? Somebody just came into my door

34:11

. Oh yeah , ok

34:13

, so , yes . So after the show there

34:15

are some people waiting downstairs to hope to meet the boys

34:18

. Right , the three boys and I

34:21

stayed upstairs but I could see

34:23

outside and I was on . I was on the

34:25

exit stairs , I was sort of standing on the stairs

34:27

and I and I didn't go down to

34:30

meet people because I thought

34:32

this was my thought . They

34:34

don't want to meet me , they want to

34:36

talk to the boys and if I go down there

34:38

they're just going to think that I am biting

34:42

into the boys Popularity

34:45

. So afterwards

34:47

I heard this comment

34:50

that I was stuck up from not going down

34:52

because you know and

34:54

it's funny people you know you make and it's

34:56

a fair , it's a fair assumption that that person

34:59

made , but it's so , it's so long because

35:01

people don't know . I think actors are generally

35:03

insecure . I was always

35:05

insecure .

35:07

Yeah , no , you're very humble about it . You are

35:09

, like you know , even just getting you to do

35:11

this and I know it's a big deal to you . That's why

35:13

I mean that , which , in turn , made me nervous , because

35:15

I'm like he doesn't do interviews and he's agreed

35:18

to do this Like this is really special that he's coming

35:20

on and and you know

35:22

, barry Gavin and I we've

35:24

actually talked for years about

35:26

getting you on .

35:27

You know , and and we

35:30

know it's a big honor to have you on with

35:32

us . So when he said that

35:34

he talked to you , it was like

35:36

wow , I can't wait . You

35:38

know , like your character

35:41

and what you do is

35:44

like so , so legendary

35:46

. Thanks , guys .

35:47

Yeah , and I'm like , although you'll you

35:49

know , just because of the fans , you'll be remembered

35:52

mostly for Ray , there's a lot

35:54

of people as well , but there's a lot of people

35:56

as well that do do know what you did behind the

35:58

scenes and so I mean , like the DVDs when they came out

36:00

, there's so much behind the scenes stuff on them and I've watched

36:02

them a million times and

36:04

it's really interesting stuff there genuinely

36:07

is . And like that was one thing I really wanted to talk to you

36:09

about was the production side of things . It wasn't just

36:11

about playing , no , so I

36:14

know that's your true passion . I mean the acting

36:16

was obviously passions about that , but your true

36:18

passion is the , the producing , and well it

36:20

is now .

36:21

I mean , I started off as an actor and worked

36:23

as an actor for quite a few years , but now you know

36:25

, it was always tough and I guess

36:27

I just didn't have the fortitude

36:29

and the perseverance that so many that

36:32

you need to make it as an actor . So

36:35

, yeah , and I love producing , I

36:37

love , I think I love writing more than producing

36:40

. But you know , and I'm

36:42

, and I try to spend a lot of my time writing

36:44

. I know my Klattenberg is doing a lot of writing to

36:46

these days from

36:49

what he's told me . So

36:51

that's always , that's always fun , it's

36:53

always it's nice to be able to

36:56

write . You at least

36:58

get to control , initially , the

37:00

process . Eventually broadcast

37:02

executives get involved and fuck it up . But you

37:06

know , we were lucky with showcase . We were

37:08

lucky with showcase , I mean , when

37:11

we first picked showcase . I mean we were

37:13

just in the right place at the right time . Trillipart

37:15

boys would never happen today if anybody

37:17

came to a network with that concept , that show

37:19

when in a million years happened

37:21

.

37:22

Yeah , right place , right time .

37:24

Yeah , right place , right time . Gavin , it's exactly

37:26

what it was . You know we approach

37:28

showcase to at the time their

37:31

license , the Canadian license

37:33

, broadcast license was up for renewal . They

37:35

were , there was pressure for them to do some and

37:37

money on Canadian programming and

37:41

we just happened to be there at the right place

37:43

and there

37:45

was somebody there at Showcase . I

37:47

think the guy who I wouldn't want

37:50

to give credit to was Norm Bowland . Norm

37:52

was a senior VP there and

37:55

I am fairly sure Norm was

37:57

the guy that greenlit this project . Not that

37:59

it matters because Norm is long retired and

38:01

nobody would know him anymore , but I just want

38:03

to give a shout out to Norm Bowland

38:05

because he was , I'm pretty sure he was the

38:07

guy that greenlit the show

38:10

. And you know it wasn't easy and

38:12

broadcasters are putting money in it . They have every right

38:15

to impose

38:17

their ideas and their thoughts . But

38:20

that first year , man , that was tough . We

38:24

fought them on virtually everything

38:27

, I mean , and we

38:29

were lucky because we had a strong

38:31

sense of what the show could be and should

38:34

be , you

38:36

know , and they were more interested

38:38

in doing traditional kind of drama

38:40

, traditional kind of storytelling . But

38:43

anyway , they came around to us and

38:45

we developed a good relationship with those guys

38:47

, but thank god

38:49

because it would have been a miserable seven years

38:51

. But yeah it was . You

38:54

know it was tough to get off the

38:56

ground and they stuck with it

38:58

and get on them . And

39:00

you know , I have met honest to god guys . I have

39:02

met so many cool

39:06

people who watch

39:09

trailer park movies . I couldn't even

39:11

begin to tell you so many of the people

39:13

that I have met . Just just

39:15

randomly , on the streets , people come up

39:17

and say hello . I think sometimes people

39:19

feel shy to do

39:22

so , but , my god , I am . People

39:26

that actually . You know , I

39:28

was in the Toronto War Court one day and I

39:31

was thinking the lineup and my

39:33

wife was with me and this guy approached my

39:35

wife and I

39:38

could see them talking , had no idea what they were talking

39:40

about , and then my wife came

39:42

over to me and said there's a gentleman , there's a young fellow

39:45

here from from Sudbury I don't know his

39:47

name so I can't divulge it Sudbury

39:49

, ontario , which is north , north of Ontario , it's

39:51

. It's a . It was a mining town in hard

39:54

lockdown , but he

39:56

wanted to know if he could come over to meet

39:58

you . He was so shy he actually went to my wife

40:01

to ask my wife .

40:01

Oh nice .

40:02

And his story was so heartwarming

40:05

. Guys , he was on his way somewhere

40:07

. I I think he was on his way out to

40:09

Alberta to work in the oil fields . I'm

40:11

not exactly sure . You

40:14

know , they were hard up for money , he's . They

40:16

just had a kid and he was taking off the first

40:19

time was away from his family and he

40:21

wanted just to say , you know , I I even get

40:23

choked up about

40:25

it now To think that we

40:28

gave him so much , he said . He said

40:30

he said I'm going there with my DVDs

40:32

and that's what's going to make me feel like I'm always at

40:34

home , because he and his wife used to watch the show all the

40:36

time . And you know , if you can give

40:38

that kind of , if you can have that

40:40

kind of a relationship with the viewer , holy

40:42

Christ , I mean , we've done , you

40:45

know .

40:45

And the thing is as well . That's like that's one guy

40:47

, but that has happened so much

40:49

around the world with loads of people . And

40:51

there's even actually there's a couple that mean Scott

40:53

. No , they one guy

40:55

from the UK and she's from the US

40:57

. They got married recently and they met

40:59

because of their love for trailer park boys

41:01

. So it literally does bring people together

41:04

.

41:05

You know it's , it's nice , it's a nice legacy

41:07

to have been part of , and

41:09

and we're all part of it . I mean you guys

41:11

are part of it , everybody's part of it , because if not

41:13

for you know , if not for

41:15

you guys , it

41:18

would long ago have died . And

41:20

you know , people are telling me now that you

41:22

know I am , I

41:26

could be , I could be , I

41:28

couldn't be grandfather . I'm not , I could , I'm

41:30

certainly old enough , right and so and

41:32

so , and , and now

41:34

the kids of parents are

41:37

watching the show again , like I'm hearing about 14

41:40

and 15 and 16 year olds , yeah

41:42

, who are coming to trailer

41:44

park .

41:44

Boys brown knew it's like having a whole new audience all

41:46

over again it is all the time , and

41:49

like that's the thing as well , like your work

41:51

will forever live on , which must be amazing

41:53

to feel , to know that .

41:55

When I think about that and when I think about all

41:57

of the good times .

41:58

for sure , you know , you know we look at someone like John Dunn'sworth

42:00

, who's obviously no longer with us anymore , but like Jim

42:02

Leigh , he that he's gonna live on forever , he's always

42:05

gonna be around and we can always watch

42:07

the show .

42:07

And there he is , you know , and all his glory you

42:10

know , john , john

42:12

was one of the most complex people

42:16

I'd ever known in my life . He was

42:18

yeah

42:21

, he was quite a guy , john . You know he

42:24

has left the legacy . John had a legacy , I

42:26

think , before trailer park boys , certainly in this area

42:28

yeah , yeah , everyone knows it . Trailer park

42:30

boys cemented it , and his character , jim Leigh , I

42:32

mean . I mean , well

42:34

, you can say that about every character in the show . I mean Randy

42:37

, I know

42:39

that , trevor , who

42:42

, I'm sorry , what's his name ? Mike , of course

42:44

, mike . Michael Jackson what

42:47

is his name ?

42:47

Michael Jackson .

42:49

Michael Jackson . I'm just so bad

42:51

but you forget that one . He , he . Well

42:53

, you know , I know this . You know , I mean , I

42:56

loved working with Michael . I know

42:58

, I know he said some bad things about us online

43:01

. I never wrote the comments , but

43:03

I've been told he's . You know he said some pretty , pretty

43:05

, pretty mean things yeah about

43:08

us , but

43:10

I loved working

43:12

with Mike as an actor . He was

43:15

finding he was one guy on set

43:17

who could make me , like you know , break up

43:19

on set room takes . Mike

43:22

was a great guy , you know . He

43:24

, he and I have no idea what's happened

43:27

to Mike's since and I'm sure now he's kind of gone off

43:29

the radar .

43:29

We don't , don't pay anything . I know he was .

43:31

He's been involved in different bands and things over the

43:33

years yeah , yeah , he was a musician and

43:35

he worked in the , he worked on the , he worked

43:37

as a , as a grip , I think , on a lot

43:39

of . I mean , maybe he still does yeah

43:41

. Mike was never . Mike was never an actor , to

43:43

my knowledge . I don't think Mike ever started as an actor

43:45

. But if you guys ever watched that black , have you

43:48

ever watched the original trailer park boys , the

43:50

black and white ? yeah he

43:52

and , um , oh , everybody

43:54

in that . I mean that's when I first saw that movie

43:56

I thought oh my god , this is , this is

43:58

. I've never seen anything like this . I've

44:00

never seen characters like this . I've never

44:02

. You know , nova Scotian characters were not . We're

44:05

not wearing fishing hats

44:07

, and you know , because

44:09

that's what everybody thinks of with no that's just that . Who's difficult

44:11

yeah fishermen and you know , and

44:14

here you get these guys , and I thought Mike Jackson

44:16

and then Cory balls , as as

44:18

Trevor and Corey , yeah

44:22

, they were funny amazing of course , ricky

44:25

and Julian . I mean that original black

44:27

and white well , my wife .

44:29

My wife warned me because we met online and

44:32

I came to visit and she said listen , there's a TV show

44:34

that's filmed here and I just you may have seen

44:36

it because I know that it's available in the UK . She

44:38

said , um , we're not . We don't live like that

44:40

. I don't want you to think that's what my family's

44:42

like when I like that , like we don't run around with

44:45

guns and things , and I've never heard of it . And I was

44:47

like I remember going to a bowl in Ali and there was

44:49

a picture of the boys up like behind

44:51

where the counter was . I don't know why , but I think

44:53

it was signed and she said that's

44:55

it , that's the trailer park boys , and I'm looking at like

44:57

that . I've never seen it . Anyway , one day , while

44:59

she was at work and I was , I was over here

45:01

. I put it on TV and it was on and

45:04

I just fell in love with it straight away . It reminded

45:06

me there's a TV show called Reno 9-1-1

45:08

yeah , yeah yeah , you know it's kind

45:10

of a spooky thing like trailer park boys . I

45:12

just fell in love and then I went to blockbuster

45:15

because that was still around and rented everything

45:17

they had . Trailer park boys brought it home , just watched

45:19

the whole thing and then I've been a fan ever since oh

45:22

man , that's going way back .

45:23

I mean , yeah , yeah , that's

45:26

going back to the early days . Well , guys

45:29

, it's been a pleasure . If there are any

45:31

specific questions , you there

45:33

is .

45:34

I've got , I've got one question for you and

45:36

this is going to put you on the spot now . But be completely

45:38

honest , if , um , if

45:41

they asked you to go back to just

45:43

to act , just to play Ray for a one-off

45:46

like scene , if you like , would

45:48

you consider doing that ? Would you consider going back

45:50

or are you like ? No , that's um

45:52

, I'm done yeah

46:00

you know , if they said you know what will pay you , well , you

46:02

know , we'll look after . Yeah , like we go

46:04

back .

46:05

It wouldn't be anything about the money . Um

46:08

, I would . I

46:10

would say no . Yeah , I would say

46:12

no . I think . I think I've

46:15

done my bet . I remember the

46:17

very last scene I shot in

46:19

the in the third movie , the trailer park boys

46:21

movie , was the scene where

46:23

Ray is at the dump and he's explaining

46:25

that he , he made 11 000

46:28

. He said that's right , yeah , yeah , that

46:30

was a lot of scenes and I remember

46:32

at the end of that thinking and I

46:34

actually have it written in my calendar and I'll never

46:36

erase it raise

46:38

last day and I'm

46:41

very happy with that and uh

46:43

, and it has nothing to do with the boys

46:45

, uh , and I

46:47

think it has for me . You

46:50

know , gavin , I mean , look , I

46:52

say no . You . You never

46:55

say never . Circumstances change . But is it

46:57

right now ?

46:58

yeah moment , I would say no yeah

47:00

, you know , I think that he had the perfect send-off

47:02

as well , man , that third movie starts out where he's essentially

47:05

passed away and then at the end there's like this little thing

47:07

at this little video that he's still around . I

47:09

actually got choked up when I seen that in the theater me

47:11

wife was with me . She was like , oh it was

47:13

. It was really sweet that he just snuck in this little video

47:16

to Ricky to say that he was still around , and

47:18

that's how I like to remember .

47:19

You know , ray , yeah and

47:22

this is very , very

47:24

good . You guys had made this process

47:26

very . This has been this has been

47:28

amazing .

47:29

Honestly , like you don't , you don't , you definitely don't

47:31

, because you're so humble , you definitely don't realize

47:33

how much this means to us .

47:35

Honestly , it was . It was

47:37

a pleasure . You guys , it was nice to meet you

47:39

. I hope that we meet in person

47:41

someday . Scott , I can't wait to get to

47:43

the tropics with you in Chicago and

47:47

no idea , chicago at palm trees , but that's

47:49

good .

47:49

I pop up the coal harbor every now and then

47:52

the sea Gavin , so yeah definitely

47:55

you're in Liverpool now , eh are

47:58

you in .

47:58

Liverpool now that's where Kelly

48:00

is .

48:00

Yeah , yeah yeah , kelly , you're in

48:02

Liverpool . Yeah , yeah , well

48:05

, we maybe all meet one day

48:07

.

48:07

Let's go for the next time she's

48:10

down we'll go for the drink . Well , I'll buy you a drink

48:12

. That sounds like a good deal . Okay

48:14

, right , one last thing before you go . Yeah

48:16

, can you say , just once , I

48:19

hate to do this . Can you say you

48:21

know what I'm gonna say , don't you ?

48:23

it's either way she goes , or

48:25

way of the road , or guy she

48:27

goes , it's gotta be . We gotta get that off you , buddy

48:30

where

48:35

she goes , boys way , she fucking

48:37

knows the best .

48:39

I can do it's been 10 years . Yeah

48:41

, well , we see you got the exclusive on that . That

48:44

was perfect , oh no honestly

48:46

, barry , all right . Barry , thank you so much

48:48

thanks guys , I could speak to you for another

48:50

three hours . Honestly , it's been absolutely lovely

48:52

.

48:52

Thank you so much it was a pleasure

48:54

and thanks for making this enjoyable

48:56

. I appreciate it thanks , thanks very

48:58

much when you take care .

48:59

Hopefully we'll see you soon .

49:01

Nice , meeting you all with you guys Bye-bye

49:03

you .