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1:06

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1:09

happens in Ketchum, Idaho.

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I don't believe I've ... I have not been there. It's

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1:56

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1:59

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1:59

at that theater. I

2:02

really look forward to getting out of this cable access

2:04

studio and coming out

2:06

and seeing people again. I am

2:09

losing my mind here. I'll be back

2:11

in a moment with the Rancast.

2:13

It's

2:16

been, it's

2:17

all go horribly wrong, Jim. Hello

2:22

and welcome to the 146th edition

2:25

of Lewis Black's Rancast

2:28

entitled, And

2:30

the Tour Begins. That's

2:33

right. Or how

2:35

many antibiotics does the human being

2:37

have to take before they're cured of

2:39

everything? But seriously

2:42

folks, onto more important topics.

2:45

Many people last week apparently

2:48

or enough were

2:50

confused and wondering if the episode jet

2:53

lag

2:54

was the same as the episode

2:57

jet lag.

3:00

Two different words, but I

3:02

can understand some of the confusion if that's

3:04

true. But it was two different episodes.

3:08

If you didn't listen to the one last week or

3:10

thought it was the same one, it wasn't.

3:13

It was an entirely new episode

3:15

about jet lag. I'm

3:18

able to discuss jet lag a lot because it's

3:20

been a summer of jet lag

3:22

here and there. I've done some

3:24

traveling that has caused that. Normally

3:27

it doesn't get to me, but once you go

3:29

seven, eight hours, forget it. It's nuts.

3:33

Especially

3:35

you're in that tiny tube breathing everybody

3:38

else's crap. I

3:40

know they say they clean the air. I don't

3:42

trust them. Do you trust them? Really trust

3:44

them. I just literally took a flight

3:48

from Vancouver as

3:51

a part of getting down here to Spokane.

3:55

And the tour started,

3:57

I think I've said this a hundred times. For those of you still looking

3:59

for it, I'm going to go back to the show. tickets and want

4:01

to go and can get a time machine,

4:03

you can see that show and go to

4:05

Victoria

4:06

back on last, you know, last

4:09

Thursday or Vancouver. And then I came

4:11

here, but I got on the plane

4:13

in Vancouver, a Delta

4:16

flight,

4:17

Delta, I like Delta

4:18

and a good airline.

4:22

And I got on there and then you arrive in Spokane

4:25

and then apparently you have

4:27

to get off the little teeny tiny plane and

4:29

then they put you in a shuttle.

4:34

And the thing that would be fine about the shuttle if

4:37

it wasn't you, they just packed this in.

4:40

They, the abuse has got to stop. Okay.

4:43

Just, you know, just because it seems that

4:45

we're willing to take this insanity over

4:48

and over and over again. You're already

4:50

seeing some folks who are flipping

4:52

out and they're flipping out in the planes. Now

4:55

nobody flipped out on this bus is beyond

4:57

me. They had us packed in and then

4:59

once they had us packed in, they brought

5:02

in the people in wheelchairs. They're

5:04

the people who have to be on first.

5:07

Okay. And you don't pack people in

5:09

like that. All right. Not

5:11

during the midst of a, you know, a COVID

5:14

uptick tick, get a second

5:16

bus, Delta, you can fucking afford

5:18

it. All right. I

5:20

mean, it's ludicrous. And

5:22

then, so it's like a second flight. All

5:25

right. Cause I'm transferring to another plane. So

5:28

that's literally like another flight. It's 10

5:30

minutes, but you might as well be in a chopper

5:32

with the thing going, and there was

5:36

only one guy. I didn't say anything. I

5:39

was good cause I've learned my lessons, but

5:42

the guy behind me went, you know, son

5:44

of a bitch. And

5:47

then I, I quietly under my breath said,

5:49

yeah, I agree. And

5:52

but he didn't even look at me. I think he was ready

5:55

to break one of the windows. And

5:59

so

5:59

that was.

5:59

the beginning of the tour. And I'm

6:04

sorry if you were confused about

6:06

last week's show. There's not much

6:08

I can do about that. But if

6:11

you missed it, go back and listen to it. Because

6:14

I think it's worth

6:16

the time. I was excited by it. And that's

6:18

probably one of the reasons nobody was sitting.

6:21

And I'm now

6:24

sitting out here on the road

6:26

in Spokane,

6:28

Washington, where

6:34

the homeless thing is seemed to be through

6:36

the roof as it is in every town

6:39

I go in. And it's not the

6:41

more I kind of wander around. It doesn't

6:43

it's not just that they're homeless.

6:46

It's there's a mental illness.

6:48

They seem to be that many of them seem

6:50

to be above all of the ones I've seen

6:52

today, of which they're about 20 in a day

6:55

in a city, a small city,

6:58

you know,

6:59

pass me by and they all it was all

7:02

something am I a psychiatrist? No. But do

7:04

I know when things seem a little out

7:06

of when folks seem a little

7:08

out of touch with reality? I have a pretty good

7:10

idea.

7:11

Kind of wavering toward it from

7:14

time to time myself. But

7:16

I get a sense of it when I see

7:18

it. And it's not

7:20

good. And it's everywhere.

7:23

And that we came out of the pandemic

7:26

with this one would think that we would deal

7:28

with it. But no, we don't have time because

7:31

we want to shut the government down.

7:33

And that's the best way to deal with the homeless is

7:36

for the government to go on strike.

7:38

That's what's happening. That's

7:41

it. They these are people

7:43

who bitch about people

7:46

going on strike, and then they're going

7:48

on strike. You can't do that.

7:50

Okay. You're

7:52

the government. You can't just stop can't do it.

7:55

I just seriously, and

7:57

I've said this time and time and time again, does anybody

7:59

let's

7:59

No, why would they listen to me?

8:02

Why would they listen to any of us? Nobody.

8:05

I don't think most Americans don't believe,

8:07

sorry, if you're

8:10

one of those who are like, this has to shut down

8:12

now. Well, most of us don't

8:15

agree with you because it

8:17

doesn't help on any level. And we lose money.

8:20

And what's important to most Americans?

8:23

Money. And what's it going to do

8:25

to inflation? It's going to jack it up

8:27

a bit. And what's it going to do to the folks who work

8:29

for the government? Screw them. Okay.

8:33

And who's it going to hurt the least? Those who are fucking

8:35

governing. Those who are

8:37

in Congress. Okay.

8:39

Because nothing happens to them. They

8:42

still got their, they've still got their, if

8:44

they're sick, they've still got their finest

8:46

health insurance on earth. Their shit

8:48

doesn't stop. Are they going to get

8:50

their checks? I would imagine they are. I'm

8:53

sure they've got some, that'll be the

8:55

vote.

8:56

Well, we're going to strike, but you know, we still

8:58

get our paychecks. Unbelievable.

9:02

Just extraordinary the cross. It's

9:04

just got to stop.

9:07

Those in charge don't get to choose

9:09

to

9:10

just kind

9:12

of bring things to a halt

9:14

because they can't agree on stuff. All

9:16

right. It has to be automatic. You

9:18

voted for this. This is money that has

9:21

to be paid out. Okay. It's

9:23

called Tupski-Shitski. All right.

9:25

And I don't know how to say

9:28

Tupski-Shitski before anybody hears

9:30

me. All right.

9:32

And members of Congress, I just saw here

9:34

received paychecks during a shutdown

9:37

due to federal law in the US constitution.

9:40

So I rest my case. And I've, you

9:42

know what, I'm shutting down now too.

9:44

That's what I'm doing. I'm shutting down.

9:46

Okay.

9:47

That's the end of the podcast. Those,

9:49

and it's a rant cast, not a podcast, Louis.

9:52

You're not talking to anybody but yourself. There's

9:55

some people out there, but you don't see them. I'm

9:57

good. God damn it. I can't.

10:00

I just literally, I thought

10:02

that was true and it is true.

10:04

They get paid. How

10:07

do you have the fucking nuts to

10:11

shut it down? You get paid and tell

10:13

the rest of those federal government workers,

10:16

well, you know, screw you.

10:18

And this all will

10:20

affect the entire economy.

10:22

How? Because it's called the

10:24

ripple effect. All

10:26

right? Don't make me explain it. Don't make me explain

10:28

it. Don't make me explain it. You know exactly

10:30

what happens. You know what happens

10:34

when any of those

10:37

major sports teams go on strike?

10:39

It's the same thing. It's all of those

10:41

people around the stadium that

10:44

just get screwed.

10:45

All right? And it's the same thing with this

10:47

federal government thing. They should not be allowed

10:50

to do this or you know, or you at

10:52

least cut off their income.

10:54

All right? Or

10:56

they should do something that at least,

10:59

it's just amazing.

11:01

And now they're voting, can

11:03

they do it bill by bill by

11:06

bill? Who knows? And

11:08

then people say, well, they shouldn't really do it bill by bill.

11:10

Yeah, well, do it. All right? Because

11:12

it's got to be done. And you

11:14

have to pay the bills. All right? You've

11:18

got to do that.

11:19

And also

11:21

the active, just in

11:23

order to just incense myself, my

11:27

tour manager Ben just told me that active duty

11:29

military don't get paid. Man, why should they?

11:32

They're only protecting the country. You

11:34

know? So why bother to pay them?

11:37

All right? There's the level of their sacrifice

11:39

which is staggering compared to a congressperson's.

11:42

You know, God knows the congressperson should be paid

11:44

while the active duty military person

11:47

should really have to have, you

11:49

know, have to be stocked up with the K-rations

11:52

as they used to call them. I don't know what they

11:54

give them now, but whatever it is I imagine it's still

11:56

shitty. I can't get

11:58

over this. This is

12:01

what I come back to, all right? This

12:04

thing looks like I had a kind

12:07

of, I'm very sorry about that.

12:09

It should be a little neater and I apologize.

12:12

For those of you out there who are going to go, boy, you really

12:14

should have pulled that sweatshirt down. I can barely

12:17

understand what you were saying as

12:18

it rose.

12:20

It rose with my anger. That's

12:23

what it did. It's just incredible

12:25

to me that

12:27

they are allowed to even do

12:30

this. People

12:32

like Tommy Tuberville, I talked about this last

12:34

week, I'm not giving them no more time.

12:37

They finally got somebody, the commander

12:39

in chief. We had a new commander in chief

12:42

or something.

12:43

We

12:45

got one or two of them, one I think,

12:48

that they were a little slipped by Mr. Tuberville.

12:50

He said, okay. How

12:52

is that even fucking possible? How does one

12:54

person stop a democracy from working?

12:58

We live in a democracy. One

13:01

person, one state, one

13:04

half of one state in the Senate. That's

13:06

what it is. It's one 99th,

13:08

one 100th of the Senate. He

13:15

stops this, he stops

13:18

the ability of the military

13:21

to choose all of

13:23

the people that have to be chosen

13:25

in order for the military to maintain

13:28

its high functioning ability. Don't

13:30

pay them and then don't put the people in place.

13:33

Let's see how far we go. Go, go get

13:35

them. That was a motorcycle

13:39

out there. It's very exciting because it's

13:41

like 3.30 in the afternoon and you know they got to get somewhere.

13:44

Of course, right here in Spokane, they got

13:46

to get from one end of the street and

13:48

get to the other end

13:51

because that's really at

13:53

the other end, stuff's happening. You wouldn't

13:55

believe it. I'm stunned. I'm

13:57

even sitting here. I can't even tell you how it's

13:59

going. incredible it is of what's happening

14:02

at the end of this block. They're handing out gold bars,

14:05

much like the ones that Bob Menendez got.

14:07

Mm-hmm. That's right. It's called the transition.

14:09

That's Senator. He's, look,

14:12

when you are found with

14:14

gold bars

14:15

in your house,

14:17

one has to say there's

14:18

a good chance you were up to no

14:20

good. Either that or

14:22

you were hoping by getting one of those gold bars

14:25

that is kind of a Christmas gift to

14:28

the to the to your constituents. You're

14:30

gonna use those gold bars to give

14:32

them fillings.

14:34

Mm-hmm. Oh, you

14:36

caught me with this. It was the Christmas

14:38

gift I was gonna give. The gift

14:41

of gold fillings.

14:42

So,

14:44

Senator Bob Menendez is the head, as

14:46

I should have known, and we'd be done already, is

14:49

the head of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, which

14:52

is why they're

14:54

trying to get him out of there because, you

14:56

know, if he's been taking bribes as

14:59

the head of the Senate

15:00

Foreign Relations Committee, which they think

15:02

he took bribes from

15:05

someone high up in the Egyptian government

15:07

who were in

15:09

the Egyptian

15:11

embassy. I don't recall which,

15:13

but they you just can't really, you

15:16

know, you kind of he's involved in too many

15:19

decisions that and is

15:21

the head of that committee. And so we

15:23

we can't have that dealt with so

15:26

the and the Republicans don't

15:28

seem to be worried about it. At least I've been heard there's

15:30

their commentary on it. It's Democrats

15:33

who are worried. The Republicans are too worried

15:35

about you know, the

15:38

by about baby Biden. That's the

15:40

one there's the real that's the problem.

15:43

Bob Menendez, you know, certainly

15:46

no sweat for them. Maybe he maybe

15:49

gave some gold bars out to his

15:52

fellow senators. I don't

15:54

know enough of Bob Menendez. That's for

15:56

sure. And today, as

15:59

I I turned on the beginning to

16:02

give myself news again by slow

16:04

doses because I'm really, it's

16:07

enough is enough. I come back, it's the same

16:10

stuff. What are we voting for? He's

16:13

going to not be at the, I knew he

16:15

wasn't going to be at this debate

16:18

this weekend towards tomorrow

16:20

or Friday. What is it? I think

16:22

it may be tomorrow. I don't care. It's tomorrow

16:25

or Friday. It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter because

16:27

it really, you know, he's not going to be at

16:29

the debate. He's going to go up and talk

16:31

to the auto workers and Joe

16:33

Biden is going to go on the picket line and tremendous.

16:36

Really, that'll solve a lot of things because

16:40

I think it is important for the auto workers to

16:43

have gone out on strike. And speaking of that, the

16:46

Writers Guild, apparently, one

16:50

of my unions claims

16:52

that we're close to an agreement and

16:54

they'll be getting it to the rank and

16:56

file, as we like to say. And

16:59

we'll fix it. We'll see if we

17:01

accept it and we'll be back

17:04

to work. And then we have to see if the Screen Actors

17:06

Guild, another union I'm in, goes

17:08

back to work. I am not in

17:10

the auto workers union because they would

17:13

say, you don't know how to use a wrench, Jackass.

17:15

I am probably

17:18

one of the few people who salvaged

17:20

passing grade in industrial

17:22

arts, which they used to teach, shop,

17:25

as many people call it. I don't know what they call it now.

17:28

And I was horrible at it, horrible.

17:32

And what saved me from failing

17:34

that class was my notebook. Okay?

17:36

That'll give you an idea of

17:39

who you're dealing with here, the kind of

17:41

skill set I bring to the room. So

17:44

I wouldn't be in the auto workers and I

17:46

really wish them nothing but the best as

17:49

they really did go

17:51

out on a limb when they

17:53

needed to back then to save the auto industry

17:56

and now they're turning around to the auto industry

17:58

and going to the powers of power.

17:59

be in the what are the powers of B going nope

18:05

we've switched cameras now just to catch

18:07

you up a little here because the other camera and

18:09

I don't know if you'll be seeing it we'll be going in

18:12

and out this is an experiment

18:14

that I'm doing to see if people

18:16

you get vertigo while watching

18:19

a rant cast or

18:21

a podcast if the camera

18:23

is a skew for some reason

18:26

if we didn't really know until afterwards and I

18:28

hate to lose any of those precious words

18:30

come fucking dripping out of my mouth

18:33

today it

18:35

was announced

18:37

that they did a poll and

18:39

you're gonna love this here

18:42

we go 71% of the American people

18:45

feel that Joe Biden

18:48

is that his age and

18:50

mental capability is

18:53

is is you know it is a problem

18:58

because

18:58

he's 80 that's 71

19:00

percent 71 percent 71 percent 70 percent 40

19:02

percent of the American people think

19:09

that 77 year old

19:14

president

19:16

president Trump is he's

19:20

he's he

19:21

is also

19:23

is too old and

19:26

has some mental and physical

19:28

problems like Mr. Biden but

19:30

they're only 40 percent of the American people believe

19:33

that he he has that 70 percent of

19:37

Joe Biden even they're three years apart I'm

19:39

gonna I'm 70 fucking five don't

19:41

tell me that the 77 year old is

19:43

better off than the 80 year old okay

19:46

don't bullshit me wherever

19:48

we can here's why all right

19:51

the the the problem

19:53

is is that they they can't hear

19:56

Joe Biden

19:57

that's why they think there's a problem because

19:59

he's speaks too low. The other is that

20:02

they can hear Donald

20:05

Trump, which is why he's a spectacular

20:08

physical specimen and will

20:11

certainly outlive all of us. It's

20:14

unbelievable. And in the meantime,

20:16

it boils down to they don't like

20:19

Joe Biden because they can't hear him,

20:21

and they don't like President

20:24

Trump because they can hear him.

20:27

Got it?

20:27

That's how simple

20:29

things are going now. And today,

20:31

the Democrats

20:34

were worried, or at least the folks that cover

20:36

the Democrats, MSNBC,

20:39

who can't get their head out of the Democrat

20:41

ass, were going, well, you know, there's

20:44

a big problem we've got because

20:46

they could run a third party candidate, they could

20:48

run Bobby Kennedy, and that could just completely

20:51

undermine it. What are you, it's 13 months

20:54

out, and Bobby

20:56

Kennedy is not known throughout the country

20:58

yet, except as the son of

21:01

Bob Kennedy.

21:02

He's Bob Kennedy Jr. And

21:04

we'll see if they really are going to

21:06

jump on this idiot and embrace him, okay?

21:09

Because he's got the stuff coming

21:11

out of his mouth, it's staggering. The

21:13

stuff coming out of his mouth. That's, I mean,

21:16

that's the problem. I'm sorry. The

21:19

greatest satire ever written will

21:22

be considered the years of like 2000, maybe,

21:26

and from the beginning, but from

21:28

just after 9-11 till

21:31

now, and maybe even further. Robert

21:34

Kennedy had a son, and then

21:36

the son, apparently,

21:40

they went to the zoo, the elephant sat on

21:42

Bob Kennedy's son's head, Bob

21:45

Kennedy Jr., and

22:00

I admire that about her. Her

22:02

daughter's same thing can just weep

22:05

so openly and I mean, they're you know, there's

22:08

seven and eight so it makes sense but

22:11

I myself really struggle and so

22:13

if I manage to even have it get a tear

22:15

out around other people, it's a very

22:17

strange sense of relief because

22:19

I go, oh thank God in this moment, I

22:21

can people actually know how I

22:24

feel. No, I know exactly

22:26

what you mean. I know exactly what

22:28

you mean. It's almost like redemptive. It

22:30

feels true. It's not this, see there's

22:32

proof. Yeah. I have a heart. It's not

22:34

that. It's actually just... I'm able to express

22:37

myself. Yeah. Yeah, I want my emotions

22:39

to be seen too. I don't want to feel them trapped and only

22:41

ever experience them alone. Yeah, the only other

22:43

option is just clenching your teeth all night and

22:46

ending up with like jaw pain.

22:50

Alright,

22:50

we've come a long way from talking

22:52

about the stock market so how

22:55

did we get here? Maybe

22:58

it's the magic of the novel or it's

23:00

more about what stuck with me. I mean,

23:02

Andrew and I talked a lot about Anamalia

23:05

and this algorithm and what connective tissue

23:07

there is between the two but I don't

23:09

know if there must be a clear connection or not

23:12

and if there is, it really

23:14

comes down to the guilt. The guilt

23:17

of our time as Andrew put it.

23:19

And for as much as we're entrenched in Herschel's mind

23:21

for the entirety of the novel, I couldn't

23:24

help but want to hear what his wife Franny was

23:26

thinking. Everything she was doing

23:28

to cope with the tragedy of what had happened either

23:31

indirectly or directly because of her husband. You

23:34

know, we're so involved with Herschel that we don't

23:36

really get to feel how she's feeling. Herschel

23:39

seems almost incapable

23:41

of that because he's so engrossed by

23:44

his guilt. Yeah,

23:47

I mean, they're both on these journeys.

23:50

She's mourning for something that

23:52

she thinks is a freak accident.

23:54

She is lamenting. She's

23:56

sad. She turns her wanting

24:00

things to have been different, basically, she's like

24:03

pouring herself into Birdie's medical

24:05

case and like questioning what the doctors are doing,

24:07

which is very,

24:09

how I, me and my family

24:12

have responded to tragedy

24:15

in our own lives.

24:19

I often think of like, if I was somebody else looking

24:21

at Andrew, was what I did

24:24

right if I wasn't me, if I didn't have

24:26

all that baggage of being in my body for 35 years?

24:30

Was what I did right if I wasn't

24:33

me?

24:35

So something I wanted people to do

24:37

when I talk with them is in between

24:39

our conversations, hoping that they could record

24:42

little moments of their lives, whether they're

24:44

out with a friend or it's a bird by

24:46

the window or something, something that tells

24:50

you a story of their life through

24:52

the sounds that they hear on a

24:54

day-to-day basis. You

24:57

might call them

24:58

life samples.

25:04

Just those moments that would have otherwise

25:06

passed me by. Yeah,

25:12

is she speaking in Danish?

25:21

As a friend I haven't seen in a while and we

25:24

went down to the shore with a few families and

25:26

I was walking with them on the beach and we were

25:28

just talking about life and catching up and

25:31

I just started recording and then he says something like, well man,

25:33

I'm glad to hear you're still throwing parties or something

25:36

like that. That's right, yeah.

25:38

Just

25:43

those moments that would have otherwise

25:46

passed me by. I

25:52

deploy white noise frequently. To

25:55

get sleep and achieve peace of mind.

26:06

Well, then the last thing I have to

26:08

have you do is I'm going to have you

26:10

read a prompt. I'll just put it in a little chat.

26:13

It's a sentence and

26:17

you don't have to have a comment to

26:19

it if you don't like, but if it makes you

26:21

think of something, you're free to comment

26:24

or ask questions about it.

26:26

But

26:27

I'm going to sample it. So I'm putting

26:29

it in the chat right now. Great. I'm

26:33

glad it doesn't say like, I killed

26:35

Samantha Johnson

26:38

on April 11th. I'm

26:40

like, this whole new podcast is a ruse for

26:43

Jude to make me go

26:46

to jail for his crime. Look,

26:49

we've been recording for close to an hour.

26:52

So there's more than enough here that I can

26:54

stitch something together. Yeah. I

26:56

killed Samantha.

27:02

The quote that you're going to hear Andrew read and

27:04

then respond to is a quote

27:06

from Leonard Cohen during a New Yorker radio

27:08

hour interview in 2017. You're

27:11

dying but you don't have to cooperate so

27:13

enthusiastically with the process.

27:16

You're dying but you don't have to cooperate

27:19

so enthusiastically with the process. It

27:24

seems like something a like

27:28

not a therapist would say but like a therapist

27:31

on a

27:31

TV show would say.

27:34

It feels like there's like

27:37

layers of sarcasm here. But

27:41

you know, actually we're reading it. I imagine

27:44

someone who's actually dying

27:47

and the

27:50

levity that is often necessary,

27:52

especially

27:53

between family members

27:55

and people

27:57

who are close around those.

28:00

moments

28:01

that are, you know, even to

28:04

call them tragic would be to diminish them,

28:11

which I think is

28:12

tragic in itself that we often have to

28:16

do that and like to

28:18

lift each other up. But

28:20

yeah, that's what it makes me think of.

28:24

It's something Leonard Cohen said in

28:26

one of his final interviews. Really?

28:29

The New Yorker Radio Hour. Yeah, and it stuck with

28:31

me for just the past several years and

28:34

just keeps coming up in my mind for a variety of reasons.

28:37

But it's what led to

28:39

why the

28:41

name, the process has just kind of now

28:44

fixated itself in my head. It's

28:47

funny because I'm actually getting

28:49

goosebumps because Leonard Cohen is, so I think

28:51

I've told

28:54

you maybe off air, but my

28:57

dad had a very tragic injury. And

29:00

when he was in the hospital, him

29:02

and I listened to Hallelujah

29:05

by Leonard Cohen a lot.

29:09

And when he was out of the hospital, we would

29:11

listen to it together and

29:13

it would just occasionally bring

29:15

us both to tears. And

29:17

then shortly after his injury, my wife

29:19

and I went to Montreal and we went

29:22

to, I forget

29:23

what museum it was, but they just had a Leonard Cohen

29:25

exhibit and we got him a

29:29

big yellow poster, which

29:31

is nice because he's basically blind,

29:34

but he can sometimes see very bright colors.

29:36

So it's hanging in his bedroom.

29:44

Yeah, well, I'm happy

29:46

to give you some goosebumps. I

29:48

love getting goosebumps. It's kind of like

29:50

you're crying. It's

29:53

like, you're like, what I'm feeling is very

29:56

real right now because you can't will goosebumps,

29:58

you know? No, you can't. I had

30:00

a moment the other day where

30:03

I was sitting and writing and I was, the

30:05

word coyote came into my head, but only because I'd been

30:08

on a run the previous day and saw a coyote

30:10

on my run. So

30:12

I'm sitting outside about like seven in the morning

30:14

and as I'm writing the word coyote and

30:17

I'm working on this one part in my story, I look

30:19

up and I get this weird feeling to look behind me and

30:21

there's that same coyote standing

30:24

behind me. And it's

30:26

not at all in the same place where I was running.

30:29

This is at least maybe eight

30:31

blocks away or something. Damn,

30:34

something is, something is hunting you. Maybe

30:36

it's that Samantha Johnson woman you

30:38

murdered. All

30:43

right, we're going to have to stop the recording

30:45

at this point because anything

30:47

else at this point is going to be incriminating. So,

30:50

well, I'm still recording, bud. So

30:52

watch it. My

30:55

conversation with Andrew was a long one.

30:57

We covered a lot of ground, got into all

31:00

sorts of spoiler territory with the book. So

31:03

if you've read the book and you want to hear a

31:05

more in-depth discussion, just raw book

31:07

talk, head over to cooperatewiththeprocess.com

31:11

or just check the link in the show notes. You

31:13

also heard a bunch of voices on the show, people on

31:16

the street chatting. If you want to be one

31:18

of those voices or if you have an idea for

31:20

the process, again, check the

31:22

show notes or head over to cooperatewiththeprocess.com.

31:24

Okay. All right. Thanks,

31:27

bud.