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my partner's the been like in the next room

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over with are two kids or five and two

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she did him in the night is one is nursing

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and she's nursing with them and

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they come into my room at six am and some

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up at say i mean i usually hear them before

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then but the official is that i'm like going

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downstairs and making breakfast and trying to

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manage the chaos at six am everyday

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see asleep as wild as have been kind

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of life changes to have this family in your life i mean

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reading through nevada nevada it goes through all these

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like different relationships

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you know you run nevada a long time ago but

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about two thousand thirty one us first published right i'm

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a therapist charade i became a therapist enough

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, six year the guys like i'm never doing another

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retail christmas and i went

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to grad school and in

2:35

becoming a therapist didn't put like this

2:38

idea in my head as much as like enable me

2:40

to articulate it that like for

2:42

me the main lens

2:44

of understanding people is like

2:46

your compassion right like kind of i

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don't know i do a lot of like dialectical behavioral therapy

2:52

and my work and other stuff and one of the assumptions

2:54

and dialectical behavioral therapy that always gets

2:56

me that er kam said savvy into the said no

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that's actually i was gonna ask you because i

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i read the you'd majored in say can i didn't

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expect this whole deep dive so this is actually

3:05

i was glad complete place and also

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i've been in therapy since i was seven years old

3:09

i was diagnosed like clinical depression at

3:11

a young age and then i'm saying i've done mdr

3:13

therapy and as psychotherapy tons of wide

3:16

, as for the last like twenty years my life so

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oh yes the you are familiar with this

3:20

task the yeah one of these like

3:23

these assumptions in dialectical behavioral

3:25

therapy as we liked kind of no matter

3:27

what it looks like that the client is doing the

3:29

best they can can it's not

3:31

like up to the therapist to judge the decisions

3:33

are making like but instead to trust this person

3:36

is like unionist they can to feel as okay

3:38

as they can in that might look like very

3:40

self destructive or whatever and

3:42

so from that perspective i see like a

3:45

you know maria is constantly

3:47

asking later like she's she's hooking

3:50

it was she does know like it's a lease to it

3:52

than her mind she can't stop

3:54

going over the things that hurt and my trying to push

3:56

yourself to feel better right and they're sort of

3:59

the question is like what is a block

4:02

why can't maria feel better right

4:04

like what is there and i think there are a lot of

4:06

i don't know i don't like have a single

4:08

easy answer for that i mean a lot of it

4:10

is chance stuff and trend stuff comes with a lot

4:13

of complicated experiences and

4:15

make the journey is long and painful

4:17

and i don't know if there is an end point

4:21

this isn't from a novel nevada this chapter

4:24

two

4:33

trans women in real life are different

4:36

from trans women on television or

4:38

one thinks when you take away

4:40

the mystification was sections

4:42

and mystery there at least as boring

4:44

as everybody else our neurosis

4:46

oh trauma oh look at me my past

4:49

messed me up and i'm still working through it

4:52

despite the impression you might get from daytime

4:54

talk shows and movies there

4:56

isn't anything particularly interesting

4:58

there although of course maria

5:00

may be biased she

5:03

, other people can understand that without

5:05

her having to tell them them

5:07

always impossible to know anyone's assumptions

5:10

anyone's people tend to assume that trans

5:12

women are either drag queens and loads

5:14

of and fun or of sad

5:17

pathetic and deluded kirby's treatment

5:20

least until they save up their money in that their sex

5:22

change operations which

5:24

they become just like every other woman or

5:27

something but murray like dude heights

5:30

nobody ever reads me as fans anymore

5:32

old straight men hit on me when i'm at work

5:34

and in all these years of transitioning i haven't

5:37

even been able to save up for a decent pair

5:39

of boots this , what it's

5:41

like to be a trans women women

5:43

works in an enormous used bookstore

5:45

in lower in it is a terrible

5:48

place the owner is this very

5:50

rich very mean woman who is perpetually

5:53

either absence or micromanaging

5:56

the managers under her have all been miserable

5:58

under her for twenty or thirty the or forty

6:00

or fifty years which means they are asshole

6:02

to maria and everybody else who works there under

6:05

them kind of a famous old

6:07

honey bookstore that's been around forever

6:09

maria has been working there for something like six years

6:12

people quit all the time because not everybody

6:14

can deal with the abuse that comes from this maria

6:17

though is so emotionally closed off

6:19

and has so much trouble having any feelings at

6:22

all that she's like well this

6:24

union by making enough to afford my apartment

6:26

and i know how to get away with pretty much anything

6:28

much anything to get away with i'm not leaving unless

6:31

they fire me when she started

6:33

working there she was like hello i'm a dude

6:35

and my name is the same as the one that's on my birth

6:37

certificate then when

6:40

she had been working there year to she

6:42

had this kind of intense and scary realization

6:44

for a really long time as boring

6:47

and cliched as this as for

6:49

a long as she could remember she

6:51

had felt the the

6:54

she wrote about it he laid out and

6:56

connected all these dots that sometimes

6:59

i want to wear dresses dot the i

7:01

am addicted to masturbation dot the

7:03

i feel like i have been punched in the stomach

7:05

when i see and unself conscious pretty girl

7:08

dot dot dot the i cried a lot

7:10

when i was little and i don't think i've cried at all

7:12

since puberty taught lots of other

7:14

dots a constellation

7:16

of dots these oh man do i get

7:18

more stocked up and i mean to every time every

7:20

time drinking dot the i

7:23

might hate sex

7:26

after she figured out that she was trans told

7:28

people she was changing her name out on

7:30

her months it was very difficult and rewarding

7:33

and painful

7:34

whatever

7:35

it was a very special episode the

7:38

point is just there are people at her job

7:40

who remember when she was supposed to be a boy to

7:42

remember when she transitioned and who might

7:44

at any point tell any of the new people

7:46

who come to work with her that she is chance and

7:48

then the as to do damage control because

7:51

remember how is she supposed to know

7:53

what weird ideas these people have

7:55

about trans women like what

7:57

if they're a liberal and they want to show how much com

8:00

some they have i have this transcend

8:02

instead of hey chance and i like you

8:04

let's have a three dimensional human relationship

8:07

that's what it's like to be a trans woman never

8:09

being sure who knows you're trans or what that

8:11

knowledge would even mean to them being i'm

8:14

unsure weird social flooding

8:16

and it's not even like it matters is somebody knows you're

8:18

trans who cares you just don't want your

8:20

hilarious charming complicated

8:23

weirdo south to be erased by ideas

8:25

people have in their heads that are made up

8:27

by like path t v writers or even

8:29

hack year internet porn writers such

8:31

as sucks having educate people

8:34

sound familiar trans women have the exact

8:36

same shit that everybody else in the world has

8:39

who isn't white hat mail able

8:41

bodied or otherwise privileged it's

8:43

not glamorous not glamorous it's

8:45

boring maria

8:48

is totally exhausted by it and board

8:50

of it and if you're not she is sorry terribly

8:53

appallingly sarcastically useless

8:55

least and pointlessly sorry

9:00

yeah fuck you i connect summary or for

9:02

for sure the mean she to

9:05

fictional character and she

9:07

ever see that and she does were what she

9:09

does in order to make

9:11

a narrative work right like it is a book this isn't

9:13

the autobiography that some people have assumed that is

9:16

are like the six

9:18

the long blog post that some people have assumed

9:20

that it is that a yeah on some

9:22

level she is like very close to my younger self

9:25

and the other cells and like and lot of people i've known

9:27

or like not even younger selves the

9:29

selves has lots of people that i've known they do feel

9:31

connected to your it is written in such

9:33

a deeply personal way

9:35

and i never assume going into anything that it's

9:38

the weather's six or nonfiction i started

9:40

out trying to write books was like fourteen

9:42

and so a lot of the stuff he was all section

9:45

but if someone who knew me read as

9:47

a be like oh i think you got this from this and this

9:49

from that now is always very annoying because it's like

9:51

whoa i'm not actually trying to hide my life

9:53

or anything it's just there's some

9:55

percentage of your imagination some percentage of your truth

9:58

and some percentage of what you observe from other people

10:05

maria mrs as in the morning stuff's

10:08

as a grown up job so she's up and

10:10

gone before maria wakefield which is funny

10:13

because usually sunlight a car horn

10:15

her own breathing anything will wake barrier

10:19

the work last night whiskey too bad you can't

10:21

make sleep as a restful as you make it deep

10:25

turned up around i texted maria last night to

10:27

fuck fuck fuck fuck mostly her texts

10:30

or just a bunch of cussing because her on a knows

10:32

that maria six adds to

10:35

, cats and last night you think dude

10:37

where are you maria

10:39

text back sorry did hangouts

10:41

him she's exhausted

10:44

and feel half-dead, but that's really

10:46

not new her alarm, leaves

10:48

her exactly enough time to shave, put

10:50

on makeup and get out the door

10:52

there's

10:54

a schedule for sleeping as late as you can,

10:56

if you're economical enough with your time in

10:58

the morning she , in air

11:00

clothes which saves her almost four minutes

11:02

of getting dressed dressed

11:05

very cold one night at camp trans

11:07

the year that she went and put on oliver close

11:10

addresses a long skirt genes

11:12

a hoodie that denim jacket it

11:15

ended up being kind of a great outfit plus

11:17

jeans and multiple skirts means no stress

11:19

about like about it

11:22

basically became her uniform like she'll change

11:24

her underwear it's hard to admit but she has

11:26

exactly one brother she likes and a bunch of that

11:28

she hates so she wears the same brought every

11:30

day but theoretically you could change

11:33

your brought to you just rotate out address

11:35

or put on the other hoodie and wala

11:37

hoodie outfit same clothes everyday

11:40

it's a non appropriate at montreal at that

11:43

she's even gotten good at riding a bike and riding long

11:45

skirt because

11:47

shaving and putting on a bunch of foundation everyday

11:49

are emotionally exhausting reminders of

11:51

being trans she gets a step removed

11:54

from them by mana logging like she's explaining

11:56

them to someone secret

11:58

trek number one is too water

12:00

in a kettle on the stove i you get dressed

12:02

and brush your teeth and stop the sink

12:04

and make yourself a little boiling lake there's

12:07

the water is so hot that a truly hurts your fingers

12:10

when he splash it on your face new kind of worry

12:12

that you're doing permanent damage to your skin

12:14

you're doing it right super

12:16

hot water makes the save closer to knows

12:18

why maybe like how you have to warm up

12:20

a tortilla before you can make anything out of

12:22

it anyway then you smear

12:24

shaving cream all over your face spews

12:27

the cheapest stuff he can find sometimes

12:29

barba saw has a sign that says real man

12:31

on the side that's the best one save

12:33

your face with one of those triple delayed razors

12:36

they're expensive but you can reuse them for like

12:38

a couple weeks you'll know it's time to replace

12:41

the blade when your face is a gory mass

12:43

every day after you shave and you keep thinking

12:45

it's you want blood moon magic but

12:47

you only bleed a couple days a month i

12:50

bleed every day from

12:52

my face anything

12:54

more than three blades sir it's the

12:58

great tip number two is to get some of that tasteless

13:00

and stuff that smells like an old lady do

13:03

you shave and wash your face is glob

13:05

it on everywhere and give your face time to suck

13:08

it and it makes your skin softer

13:10

which helps gross middle aged businessmen

13:12

slumming in your store to know that you are

13:14

the one that hit on or

13:17

make up if

13:19

, still need to say if you're still going to have

13:21

a little bit of light beard shadow on

13:23

your face face lot of people tell

13:25

you to slather on tons and tons of foundation

13:27

or the trickery put lipstick all over your

13:29

head and then cover it and it

13:32

but they foundation stupid the truth is

13:34

that nobody is going to look at your chin very hard

13:36

so all you need is normal foundation you can get foundation

13:38

the fara stuff there powder

13:41

foundation liquid foundation cares

13:44

get it all over your face your nose down

13:46

your throat to past where your for and sometimes

13:49

you can get lucky at the drugstore but mostly you just

13:52

want the cheapest step at the fancy starts

13:54

this everything else is working right heavy

13:57

layers of make up or more of a this

13:59

person up in high and

14:01

then the implication that there's a mustache hibernating

14:03

under that foundation secret

14:06

trick the number three is to get as much eye

14:09

makeup on your eyes as you can people

14:11

will disagree about that that spot them

14:14

at years of research that the current theory on the

14:16

reason this works and complementarity

14:18

why lipstick makes you look all unhinged

14:21

is that you're drawing the be holders eye toward

14:23

your eyes away from your beard shadow area

14:26

let's take draws the eye toward the bottom of

14:28

the face where the hibernating stubble lives

14:31

the put lots of black sit around your eyes

14:33

like alley cd and the breakfast club you

14:36

will look kind of boss do you want to

14:38

if not here a secret thing number

14:40

four

14:41

apples apples apples apples are apparently

14:44

sparkles on a trans women are kind of a cliche

14:46

but this is the thing the truth that

14:48

underlies all of this makeup advice

14:51

nobody is expecting to see a trans

14:53

person they're allowed to wear sparkles

14:55

on their eyes if you were lots of sparkles

14:57

and like blood red lipstick without foundation

15:00

and a low cut shirt that shows off a flat

15:02

expanse of chest than yes people

15:05

have go you and try to intimidate you that

15:08

nobody expects trans women to be wearing sparkles

15:10

to have sucked up growing out dye job

15:13

and tons of day key punctured covering every

15:15

inch of their skin

15:17

maria is talent and now she's already

15:19

getting the benefit of doubt none of this stuff

15:22

might work for you this ritual

15:24

takes five minutes from the time the cuddles starts

15:26

whining

15:34

as a lot more serene conversation

15:36

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nevada and we're talking about

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life the universe and everything

17:41

i want to go into kind of a hippie

17:43

grad school on daughter were you design your

17:45

own curriculum and my focus actually was very

17:47

much on like the history of constructions

17:50

, transsexual etti and like the

17:52

history of like what been trend has looks like in the dsm

17:55

and the dsm weimar germany and like

17:57

all these issues is very much like how did we get

17:59

to the

17:59

wait and the you know i started

18:02

grad school in two thousand and twelve i

18:04

think two thousand eleven or two thousand twelve which

18:06

is a decade ago at this point that it was it like

18:09

it was it feels like it was so much

18:11

more than a decade ago in terms of the psychological

18:13

literature if not like the cultural location

18:15

which feels disliked i don't even know

18:18

how to parse but i mean i can't even

18:20

imagine a decade ago it would be like studying

18:22

this and reduce the university of zurich universities

18:24

there's a lot more open minded environment

18:26

around that time by it's your so if you're

18:28

in a very lonely corner did you feel like you had

18:31

a lot of colleagues who are mentors or other

18:33

people around you who were supporters a

18:35

know it was rough it was super rest and

18:37

like

18:39

i have a lot of damage around like trying

18:41

to let people in around trend stuff and having

18:43

it go badly right and so i tend to be pretty

18:45

standard it when i'm in situation but

18:47

i don't really know people and south area's

18:49

very hard to let people in during that process

18:52

i wasn't getting the pushback than i expected

18:54

i think i went in with this like i'm punk rock

18:56

and i'm going to destroy the system attitude

18:59

like i'm ago get a masters degrees i can smash

19:01

everything but i think around the time that

19:03

time was doing that work that lot of other

19:05

people were having the same impulse right and in

19:07

retrospect people had been doing that and of

19:09

work

19:10

prior to like i was in the first person go to grad

19:12

school to be like i want to make

19:15

actually do right by of marginalize

19:17

experience that i experience since

19:20

then like two thousand and sixteen the american

19:23

psychological association published

19:25

guidelines on therapists working for tenth

19:27

clients are like

19:29

like they acknowledge that non binary people

19:31

exist and they acknowledge that like impact

19:33

of colonial gender systems on

19:36

and constructions of being trans and all the thing and

19:38

, that happened it was really like oh shit okay

19:40

i feel like i am a part of this thing for

19:42

her in terms of institutional understanding

19:45

like the i may and the american psychological

19:47

association to some extent have like more

19:50

or less caught up in mean they're always jerked around

19:53

you know but the yeah i thought

19:55

i was going to be doing research and going into like

19:57

academia and academia wound up to

19:59

my and ship at my internship with part

20:01

of my degree at a psychiatric

20:03

hospital and psychiatric went up loving

20:06

it was like fuck this is great this wanted to group

20:08

therapy with people who have like severe

20:10

borderline personality disorder and like suicidality

20:13

and all of the other kind of things that were going on i was surprised

20:15

as i thought i was gonna be like a therapist

20:18

or like a psychologist or you

20:20

know very much like mental health world and my

20:22

main job description at the hospital

20:24

with social worker and there's , lot

20:26

of overlap between social work and the

20:29

psychology workrate this is not were expected this

20:31

hundred sixty goddesses let me know if you

20:33

wanna take it somewhere else that i don't get to talk

20:35

about that very often as you're talking about

20:37

this i mean for the first time my life

20:39

i'm actually why it attempted once my life but

20:41

i ended up when i when i tried group therapy

20:44

the first time around i ended up becoming

20:46

the the quietest person the room and i found

20:48

myself been very bitter and very

20:50

negative in my head and i went into place

20:52

of self hatred and so i'm entering

20:54

group therapy actually for the really those

20:56

though the first time here soon and it's

20:59

it's interesting to hear that my experience

21:01

was in the context of a site has like a closed

21:03

doors like hospital right where people either like had

21:05

suicide attempts are there because they're very close

21:07

to a suicide attempt or whatever is going on arm

21:10

and that led to them the you know being committed

21:12

to a hospital that they can't leave without permission

21:15

and so people were

21:17

at were at kind of place noticing that

21:19

therapy it it

21:21

was fucking cool third

21:24

parties like be able to be like you know

21:26

i see you're talking about this thing the such as

21:28

after what this other person with stains the all like

21:30

feel like there's any connection there and really like then

21:33

i can experience as group therapy as nobody

21:35

wants to talk and then somebody talk than like

21:38

is it resonates in ithaca way it's supposed to be

21:40

like people start to feel like oh shit

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i see and you like not exactly

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what i've experienced but like

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something that is not too far from what i've experienced

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this very solitary level so

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like to feel even that small degree

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of connection with someone is like they can be really

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powerful

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it kept secret from a trans woman number five

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the cows sheep

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, a pretty strong body back when she was an energetic

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little college kid who looks like a dude and journal

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that sensibly about gender and top secret

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notebooks all day every day day

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now she is old almost thirty and

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she's been going sleepless and the press and drunk

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for so long that her body starts feeling like

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it's collapsing at the slightest provocation

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seriously the sun the hurts her eyes

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her belly skills like old dry leaves

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turning wet while they rot and her shoulders

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throb from just a forty and a little whiskey

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that she's gotta be at work so adderall

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late hoops they

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are probably looking for reasons to fire her because

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she's been here so long and she's gotten so many

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mandatory union raises that she

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can almost afford food and rent so

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being late is kind of a big deal like when

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years

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infections like lateness until you

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are fired or else you are promoted to

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management leave the union and then

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are fired on a whim so suck

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promotions and fuck career advancement

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you just sell bucks for enough years collecting

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annual one dollar raises until you

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die rich

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it

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you know i i don't keep up with anything

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as much as i used to before i had kids but

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sure you know like

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a hereditary how many times that i must hereditary

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is so good it's so intense and so

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beautiful wow i did not see that

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come in he you watch hereditary

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like usually you're like man i can't

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wait to know right

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i remember our assessment like a

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friend see sense of the kind of

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offhand i don't think she was even thinking very hard about

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up as you can like you know i kinda

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that see my experience of being drawn to

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harm movies as a kind of self harm

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and so i've been trying to watch comedies intentionally

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and sell as like ah

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my my mind a little that that's really smart

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after i watch a hard movie before bed right

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to put anything on uber to send me that my own experience

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with this is kind of like do like feel good offer

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like to harm me he

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didn't like historically haven't felt bad

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anything that was a guy loved er

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det allies peter jackson's old

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was rarely very gory lie on

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our he had he had you have a lawnmower same i

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mean it's absolute ridiculous i loved when a gun to complete

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slog like that's before are are

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are call is over i want dislike alleys

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thank you for doing this yeah

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totally silica could talk about this for a lot longer this

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is really interesting and the other

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take you for being vulnerable about your own stuff on there

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that it's like not always easy so

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they keep her talk for like be a been real about the

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stuff with me if it helps anyone or anyone

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what we feel entitled to today

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what won't be enough tomorrow

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appreciative of that for the days to com and now

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that it is not always gonna have yeah

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that core any to serve suppose he knows

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what he's talking about and that's a good coach

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and the yeah my question is always

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like how do we not

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feel entitled right like i've

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worked through a lot of entitlement stuff in my life and it

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still comes up thing entitled to

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like they don't m as your this i'm

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an ominous i've been up and make a sock for another fucking half

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hour

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our so yes the again thank

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you so much for having i'm it is a great conversation and thanks

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