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Brief Introduction

• Date of recording – May 28th, 2015
• Hosts – Tobias Macey and Chris Patti
• Overview – Interview with Mark Bagett
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Interview with Mark Bagett

• Introductions
• How were you first introduced to Python? – Chris
  • Started using it for automating tasks while working as a sysadmin
  • Found code that launched an attack on FTP server – in Python
  
  

• What are some of the tasks in your job that you use Python for? -Tobias

  • Trusted command & control backdoor for Windows
    • Mostly not used by malware authors – thus far (at least Mark hasn’t seen it used that way)
    • Flame virus – 5MB payload – incredibly advanced
      • Lua interpreter bundled along with the scripts
      
      
    • Vale framework – Python framework that takes payloads out of penetration testing executables
      
    
    
    
  
  
  

• What is it about Python that makes it useful for penetration testing and other information security tasks?

  • Same thing that makes it useful for anything else
  • mpacket from core security
  
  

• What are some of the more useful Python penetration testing tools?

  • OFFENSE
    • Beautiful Soup
    • scapy
    • Volatility
    
    

  • DEFENSE

    • Counter dictionary from collections
    • Pandas
    • iPython
    • matplotlib
    
    
  
  
  

• We’ve noticed that a lot of the literature around information security and penetration testing focuses on targeting Windows. Can you enlighten us as to why that is?

  • Windows event tracing
    • logman
    • event trace providers – implement packet sniffing (Can turn every browser into a key logger)
    
    
  • Primary attack surface – Where most attacks are targeted
    

  • Fewer purely Linux systems

    • Very few ports open – maybe 80, 22
    • Very likely no user just sitting there waiting to run an executable you send
    
    
  • More freedom on Linux – less formalized patching process, more variable tools = more exploits
    
  • Will write code to only use built in modules for Python that will run in customer target environments
    
  
  
  
• What are some of the legal considerations that you have to deal with on a regular basis as a penetration tester?
  

• There have recently been a number of attacks based on hijacking the TCP/IP stack. Is Python being used for any of these exploits or tools to defend against them?

  • Data analytics
  • Detect repeated sequence numbers – Man in the Middle Attack
    • As simple as 5 lines of Python code
    • import scapy, start sniffing packets, pull together all packets – make list of associated packets
    • Can pull together all packets inside of stream
    • Time spefic source communicates with specific destination
    • Bro – intrusion detection suite
      • Built into Security Onion – Doug Berks
      • FLOSS Weekly episode 296 with Bro developers
      
      
    
    
    
  
  
  

• What are some activities that you do on a regular basis for which you would turn to another language or toolchain, rather than using Python?

  • Powershell – The Python of windows
    • Whitelisted and ubiquitous
    
    
  • Password cracking – compiled language like C or assembly
    
  
  
  

• For anyone who is interested in getting involved in the security industry, and penetration testing in particular, what resources or tools would you recommend?

  • Developers make the best InfoSec professionals
    • Lots of jobs and opportunities
    
    
  • Developer -> Systems Administration -> Information Security
    
  • Security conferences – BSides, Defcon, Black Hat
    
  • Online capture the flag challenges (google it) – good practice for critical thinking and using code for security exercises
    
  • Get involved in the industry – Meetups, etc.
    
  • SANS institute course, Python for Penetration Testers, SEC573 by Mark Baggett – sans.org
    
  • Lots of free online resources
    
  • Violent Python
    
  • PicoCTF
    
  • Counter Hack Challenges
    
  
  
  

Picks

• Tobias
  • Authy
  • OpenWRT
  • TP-Link Archer C7
  • Schemas For The Real World by Carina C. Zona
  • The Soul of Software by Avdi Grimm
  • China Mieville
  
  

• Chris

  • Rapscallion Munich Dark
  • Write
  • Marginal Way
  • Frankie and Johnny’s
  • pyenv
  
  

• Mark Bagett

  • Corelabs impacket
  • Google Labs – Rekall
  • Adams peanut butter cup fudge ripple cheesecake
  • BSides security conference
  
  

Keep in Touch

• Twitter: @markbaggett
• In Depth Defense

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