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Hello , my unicorns . Welcome

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back to another special guest episode

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Today . I am so excited

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to introduce you to a queer

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, femnasty human with Butch

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Queen tendencies who's quickly

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making a name for themselves in the porn

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industry . I've got Morgxn Thicke

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on the podcast today , welcome .

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Thank you so much Hi

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.

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Thanks for being here today . Yeah , thanks

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for having me . Of course , you

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know , before we like jump into all the questions

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having to do with your work in the

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porn industry , I really want

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to get to know a little bit more about who you are

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as a human outside of porn . Am

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I a human ?

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Okay

1:12

, yeah , that sounds

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good .

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Tell us a little bit about you , who

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you are . What do you like to do , like your interests

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, I mean ?

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I'm . I think I'm boring

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outside of porn . Like people

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, I think , assume that I'm out

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here having sex with a lot

1:31

of different people all the time . But honestly

1:34

, I'm just kind of comfy in my PJs

1:36

or relaxing on the

1:39

beach , that's

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it .

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I love how you

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know that we can all have these kind of public

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personas . I mean , anyone

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can , with social media , just put

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out this kind of show of how we want the world

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to perceive us . And yeah , I'm

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similar in that , like I'm very I'm

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a pretty like stay at home

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and chill , which is like

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my good close friends . But

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the version that people see online is

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very different , very

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outgoing .

2:15

Yeah , and the industry

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kind of like forces you to be social

2:20

in that like you want to engage

2:22

and you want to kind of network and

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be seen in

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order to kind of build your brand

2:29

. But

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very much so . I need like

2:33

that relaxed time where

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I'm kind of like

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watching below deck for four

2:40

hours and I

2:42

have my bowl of ice cream and my

2:45

dog in my lap . That's about it .

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I love it . Okay

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, I'm also like really curious when

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. Like what has your experience been

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like meeting and making

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friends now that you're

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more well known online ?

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Um , that's a really good question . So

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I guess there's a difference between like meeting

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and making friends and

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making associations

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like within the

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like sex work bubble

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. Like

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originally , when I first got

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into like the sex work industry

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in my true like Midwestern

3:32

Nebraska

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mindset , I was

3:37

like I'm going to be friends with everybody , everyone's going to

3:39

be my friend , I'm going

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to be so nice to everybody and I'm

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just going to all be like besties

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. Yeah , after

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a few years like I've come to kind of understand

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, like in order to protect people's like

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mental state

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or themselves

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in general , like there is that like divide

4:02

where you kind of have to

4:04

build a barrier like okay

4:06

, you are a work friend or a work

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situation , and then maybe

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along the lines you

4:13

might like build a little bit more . But

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in general it's kind

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of weird making friends because

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people put on such a pedestal and I

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just think of myself as like Midwestern

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boy who used

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to shut corn for his

4:34

job . Yeah

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, it was like very kind of like I

4:39

bag like women's groceries and

4:41

carry them out to their cars . Just I

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don't know what this life is .

4:47

This life of a star

4:49

a rising star . I

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mean , I love that

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, the real , how real you are to like

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. This is always a fun thing about

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getting to know people when

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they're not on stage , like on

5:08

stage anymore . It's

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just such a beautiful reminder

5:12

that we are all just fucking

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humans .

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Yeah , I'm just trying to pay my bills .

5:17

Yeah , absolutely so

5:21

. Okay , I

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also would love to know do you have any

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ways that kind of help

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you differentiate between when you

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are Morgxn

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Thicke and when you are off

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like offstage chilling

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at home ? You ?

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Um , differentiate

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just shutting my front door

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? No

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, I'm , I think I know like going

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into certain scenarios

5:55

like okay , this is a this

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is a Morgxn Thicke scenario . Like I

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need to get rid of bull because I'm going to be like interacting

6:02

with a lot of people and

6:04

I need to be there for

6:07

a given amount of time

6:09

in order to like kind of make

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my rounds or whatever . It

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has been kind of interesting in respect

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to like me just

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socially going out to

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maybe like an event or a bar

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, or going out to a restaurant

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with friends or or just even

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maybe to the beach and planning

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to be like casual

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and this is not a Morgxn Thicke thing

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Like we're just relaxing , we're having fun

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, we're going to kiki and then we're going to

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like I don't

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know , let loose , yeah , and being

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approached by people and

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it kind of turning into like oh the Morgxn

6:51

Thicke show , like oh , can we take a picture

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? And where I really appreciate

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like that kind of response

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from people and I welcome it , like I want

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people to feel like they can come up

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to me and say hello or whatever it

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does , kind of like I

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can tell , like it's a little annoying for

7:11

like friends and family and

7:13

everything .

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Yeah , yeah , it's probably

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me .

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I'm kind of like this is just part of the

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thing , like this is , this is what I

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agreed to be a part of . Yeah , yeah

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.

7:25

I love that . I think a lot of people that

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I , not a lot of you . It's

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not like I've thousands of celebrities

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that have all told me but that's

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not the case . I'm trying to exaggerate a

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little bit less , but like I have heard from

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others a similar thing or

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sorry , not a

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dissimilar thing , where they're saying you

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know , oh , I don't want all these

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people giving me all this attention when

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I really love that you're

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very much like , honest

7:56

with yourself about that . Hey , this is part of the gig , this

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is part of what you signed up for and

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it may

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be , it may be difficult for

8:05

others around you , but have you found any

8:07

ways that have kind of worked for you to like navigate

8:09

that ?

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I don't know , like in interactions

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with people when they come up to me , it's kind of

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like I

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feel so humbled because often

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, like people tell me like how much

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, like how

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grateful they are for like

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seeing someone like me represent like

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within the sex community or

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I

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don't know , it's very humbling for someone to come up and

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say like such appreciation for me doing

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what I consider to be

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like something that I enjoy . But

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it definitely , I

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don't know I always try to remain like humble

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in that , like I said , like I don't think that

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I'm anybody special , like I'm no

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better than anyone else and honestly

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, like within any

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industry , like there is always

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going to be like someone Like

9:09

coming up and probably

9:11

replacing you within like the next certain

9:13

amount of time , unless you're like super smart or

9:15

you're the only person in the

9:18

world that can do whatever you're doing . Like there

9:20

is not I am not the only person in the world that

9:22

is doing any like genderqueer

9:24

, kind of like reform or anything like that

9:27

. There are way bigger platforms

9:29

and more substantial

9:33

like advocates out there . I'm

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just kind of trying to find

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my way in the world .

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I love it . You're so like just

9:42

I don't know real honest and relatable . So

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I try to be . I mean , I don't

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know , I don't think you even need to try , it's just

9:49

you , naturally . Yeah , just

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awkward as fuck . Well

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, I'm so glad that you're here anyway , even

9:59

though you feel awkward , yeah

10:01

, like this is my first podcast , though

10:03

, like my first official podcast , so

10:06

we're going to get through it . Yeah

10:08

, I get to take your podcast virginity

10:11

. I know what an honor . Don't

10:13

rip it off . Right , gentle , gentle

10:15

, gentle , All

10:19

right . So I feel like we've gotten

10:21

to know you a little bit more outside of the industry

10:23

. But how did you get into porn

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? How did ?

10:27

yeah , how to

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get into porn

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, I guess . So

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I got into porn around like 2019 . I

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found myself in a situation where

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I needed to make some extra

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income . My

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husband wanted to go to school and

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in order to allow that to happen and

10:50

not like rely

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solely on like loans and everything

10:55

like that , I was looking

10:57

for an alternative

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or like a secondary employment

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, yeah , and something that I could do that

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would theoretically make

11:05

like a decent

11:08

income for a few

11:10

years . Yeah , I've

11:12

always kind of been interested

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in doing sex work in terms

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of like studio , and at

11:21

that time , like only fans

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was kind of starting to become a thing , and

11:27

in my ripe old age

11:29

of like 30 , I don't even

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remember like 33 , maybe I

11:35

was kind of adapting

11:38

to like this mentality

11:40

of like , well , sex work is work and

11:42

it's valid and if

11:45

I love sex , then maybe

11:47

I'll be good at sex Right

11:50

and you know , on camera

11:52

, yeah , like . So

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I had already kind of like started

11:58

doing photo

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shoots and modeling and I've done like

12:02

nude photography and

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I was kind of exposed in that sense . So

12:07

starting and only fans

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was kind of pretty easy

12:11

for me in that terms or

12:13

in that manner . It

12:18

was interesting navigating , like

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meeting individuals

12:22

and immediately trying

12:24

to like create chemistry , because

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for me , like , chemistry is kind of

12:31

crucial in terms of like making everything

12:34

work , right , but

12:38

that's . I

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kind of navigated that just by like having

12:44

discussions with people , either

12:47

on Instagram or meeting with them

12:49

prior to , and kind of going over

12:51

like oh , what

12:54

gets your juices flowing ? And kind of like

12:56

where , like , what are your

12:58

interests ? Like , what are your hotspots or what are

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your nose ? Yeah , like , what do you like

13:02

in bed that makes you like really

13:05

enjoy it ? Yeah , yeah , go

13:10

from there .

13:10

Okay , I feel

13:12

like we need to like pause and

13:14

just sort of notice this

13:17

even more here , because this is something

13:19

that every single person listening can benefit

13:21

tremendously from is

13:23

learning how to talk about these

13:26

things . Oh , 100% , 100%

13:29

. There's like no training , you know

13:31

? No , it's like balancing your checkbook

13:34

. Right , we

13:37

all have heard of it , but do we know how to do

13:39

it ? What's

13:42

worked well for you around like

13:44

? How do you approach these conversations

13:47

? How would you recommend someone like start

13:50

breaching these topics with a

13:52

potential partner ?

13:55

I recommend , like head on , yeah , like

13:57

just kind of dive right in , like

13:59

once you know like it's going

14:02

in , or even if

14:04

it's not going in , like a sexual direction , like

14:06

it's always good to be like transparent

14:10

regarding like , are you

14:12

sexual , are you not sexual ? Like , do

14:15

you like touch or do you not

14:17

like touch ? Like just

14:19

kind of establishing that

14:24

bridge of like where

14:26

, mentally , the other person or

14:29

persons are regarding

14:32

like intimate interaction . I

14:35

think it's very crucial

14:37

in whatever kind

14:39

of relationship that you're engaging in , whether it

14:41

be like casual sex or like

14:43

an intimate , like long-term relationship

14:45

. Yeah , like it's always , in

14:48

my mind , good to check

14:51

in and recheck in in order to kind

14:53

of like just reestablish like

14:55

what are we

14:58

doing

15:00

and how can

15:02

we do it the best we can , yeah

15:04

, yeah , and does

15:07

that sound ? I don't want it to sound like so , like

15:09

mechanical , but it's kind of just

15:11

like . I just think it's

15:13

good to start that conversation like as early

15:15

as possible .

15:16

Absolutely . And

15:19

with that like when you first started

15:21

reaching out to others or having

15:23

people reach out to you to kind of collaborate

15:25

with only fans , or

15:28

you have a few other sites too , like for

15:30

my fans and

15:33

just for fans , okay

15:37

, so how did that feel at first ?

15:39

Were you , like , really nervous to reach these

15:41

topics

15:43

, or Kind of

15:45

I

15:49

really didn't expect like people to

15:51

kind of respond back to me and

15:53

like now the way that Twitter's

15:55

run . Like you have to I

15:58

don't know like you have to have a blue tech mark in order for

16:00

someone to like , message you or

16:02

reach out to you , but back then

16:04

, like in the Stone Age , you

16:07

could just message whoever who

16:09

allowed you to , whoever

16:11

had like their messages open . Yeah , so

16:14

I would basically just like go through the

16:16

Twitterverse of porn and

16:18

I would just find accounts that kind of like emulated

16:21

something that I

16:24

connected with , whether that be like chemistry , whether

16:26

that be kink , whether

16:28

that be them

16:30

just being like a beautiful individual that I

16:33

thought maybe like oh

16:35

, I might have a chance , and

16:38

I just messaged them and I was like

16:40

hey , I'm starting an early fans . I know like my

16:43

Twitter sucks right now

16:45

and just started and

16:48

I think that would be really good

16:50

. Bye , I'm

16:52

100% okay meeting with you . Please

16:54

go through my Twitter feed , go through

16:56

my Instagram Like if it seems

16:58

like something that you're interested in , like let's

17:02

discuss , and kind of

17:04

took it from there .

17:06

I love it . I feel like literally

17:08

everyone can learn a lot from this , whether

17:11

they're looking to start their own OnlyFans

17:14

or whether they're just looking to date

17:16

. Like you said , it's

17:18

literally just as simple , as

17:21

I mean simple

17:23

, even though it's scary , but it's still simple

17:25

. As simple as looking

17:27

for things that are interesting

17:30

about the other person and just commenting

17:33

on it . Hey , I noticed this about

17:35

your profile . I really

17:37

am interested in that too . Or , hey , I

17:39

just think you're very attractive . I

17:42

would love to take

17:44

you out for dinner or bring

17:46

you over to my house to film a scene .

17:50

But also I think another part of it is being open

17:52

to possibilities

17:54

maybe that you wouldn't consider . I

17:57

feel , like a lot of people especially

17:59

that I've encountered within sex work , they're

18:03

so rigid on maybe the individual

18:06

who they will

18:08

hook up with or the individual that

18:11

they're willing to work with . And

18:13

I think for me personally , a

18:15

lot of the best interactions that I've

18:17

had came

18:22

from surprising situations that

18:25

I really hadn't expected or

18:27

I maybe wouldn't have sought . After

18:29

they

18:32

reached out to me , we just

18:35

had like chats and I was

18:37

like , okay , let's just

18:39

give it a go and see where it goes , and

18:41

it was just kind of fun like exploring sex . It

18:45

doesn't always have to be great , but I mean , for

18:48

me personally , the more interaction you

18:50

have with an individual it

18:53

gets better . I

18:57

mean , yeah , it's not gonna

18:59

be always be great the first time , but I think

19:02

we're gonna be able to do that . But

19:04

I think with

19:06

experience it will get

19:08

better .

19:10

That makes a lot of sense . I think a lot

19:12

of us put a lot of pressure onto

19:15

each interaction like , oh , it's got to

19:17

be great .

19:20

And it never happens . No .

19:23

And then it also makes

19:25

us lock up more and

19:27

when . The more anxious we are , the less

19:30

flexible and like open we are

19:32

Physically , but also like mentally

19:34

, we're totally

19:36

gonna be more awkward the more

19:38

stressed out we are about being perfect .

19:41

Yeah , and you may miss out on an opportunity . That

19:44

could be amazing

19:46

. Just

19:48

be open , just have fun with it .

19:50

I don't know , yeah , like

19:53

don't take it so seriously , it

19:55

could be surprised .

19:56

I think it's serious to a certain extent because

19:58

it is a business , but yeah .

19:59

Yes .

20:00

I think , allowing yourself to be open to

20:02

possibilities and a

20:04

variety or a range of

20:07

scenarios , individuals , it's

20:10

just something that maybe , like

20:13

a lot of individuals in the sex

20:15

world , don't do .

20:17

Yeah , I love that

20:20

. All right , here's

20:23

another question that I think a

20:27

lot of us could really benefit from . I

20:29

imagine that you get a

20:31

lot of messages from

20:34

people fans even that are like

20:36

oh my God , I wanna hook up with you , who

20:39

may not really be , who

20:42

really may not be , someone that you're like

20:44

going to collaborate with in a business

20:46

way , and so , and you're maybe you're

20:48

like , hey , I'm not available for this . Yeah

20:50

, what are your

20:53

recommendations or tips

20:55

or insights for how to say no

20:57

when you don't want to have sex

20:59

with someone ?

21:02

For me personally , it's kind of like oh

21:04

hey , I appreciate you reaching out

21:06

, it's probably

21:09

gonna be a no . But

21:13

then again , in those responses I've

21:16

also , like I was saying before

21:18

, a lot of situations in situations

21:20

where I maybe wouldn't

21:22

have maybe sought after

21:24

like an individual . I allowed myself to

21:27

kind of interact with them and

21:30

yeah

21:32

, like meeting up with them , where the interaction was

21:34

much better than I kind of anticipated

21:37

, there

21:40

is like for

21:42

me , there is kind of a level of

21:44

like

21:46

a boundary that I have to draw , because

21:49

a lot of people reach out

21:51

to me and I feel as though , like they

21:53

want to hook up , because they see me

21:55

as like a sexual object , and

21:57

if I

21:59

get that feeling then it's automatically

22:03

a no for me , because I don't want

22:06

to put myself in a situation

22:08

where I'm just

22:10

an object . Yeah , like I want to be

22:12

seen as a person , yeah , I

22:15

want to be like validated as a person and

22:19

, conversely , like I want to validate the other

22:21

person as like an

22:23

individual , like a being , that we are

22:25

two beings coming together . And

22:29

if I feel like it's very transactional because

22:31

I've had to like tell people

22:33

that are doing like only fans

22:36

or wanting to do like an only fans , like collaboration

22:38

, like if I feel like it's very transactional

22:41

, like no , it's

22:43

an absolute no .

22:44

Yeah .

22:45

Yeah .

22:46

You know , you

22:49

just really really

22:51

kind of sparked this realization for

22:53

me that

22:56

I want to share real quick . I

22:59

have had sexual trauma in

23:02

my past and been like sexually

23:04

abused by friends when I was a little

23:07

kid and because

23:09

of that it has I've

23:11

had this kind of framework

23:14

of looking at like sex

23:16

and connection and friendships

23:18

in this very kind of like black

23:20

and white way that

23:22

it was like scary for me

23:24

even to also like become

23:28

more popular online because

23:30

I started getting a lot of sexual attention with

23:33

that too and then feeling like I

23:35

don't know what to do with this . So let me just

23:37

shut down and

23:40

I really really appreciate

23:42

the insight that you're even giving me

23:44

right now of Brown , like hey , let's

23:48

be a little more flexible

23:50

here and know the boundary , that

23:53

like I'm okay with actually being

23:55

sexual with people when I'm respected as

23:57

a whole being . I'm not okay

23:59

with being treated sexually when

24:01

I'm an object , and

24:04

then it can just be an easy no yeah

24:06

.

24:07

Yeah , and I mean a lot of people take offense

24:09

to it and

24:11

I respect that . But if your

24:13

initial phrase is like , you

24:16

have a great ass I don't

24:18

want to fuck it , then I

24:21

don't think so . Thanks

24:23

for the note .

24:25

Right , yeah , I

24:27

appreciate that so much . It's

24:29

a great insight , yeah .

24:33

I'm really sorry to hear about your trauma . Yeah

24:38

, it's really unfortunate Because I

24:41

mean , you seem like such a lovely individual .

24:43

Thank you , yeah , I

24:46

appreciate that and I've

24:48

worked through a lot of these things . I've

24:51

been in therapies in second grade and out

24:53

over the years , so I've collectively

24:55

spent more than 10 years in therapy

24:58

, approaching 15 years . We

25:03

work through these things . There's no other way

25:05

but through it , but

25:08

I appreciate that .

25:09

So isn't it so interesting to how

25:12

, as gay

25:14

and queer men , we find the

25:16

need to sexualize everything

25:20

? Oh , my god , yes

25:22

absolutely as

25:24

a podcast , just

25:27

putting yourself out there , yeah , and

25:29

people are like let's do

25:32

it .

25:32

Right ? Well , I also

25:34

used to be a fitness coach and I think I definitely

25:37

felt the need to

25:39

make my Instagram very thirst-trappy

25:41

in order to attract attention

25:43

. But I

25:47

think the way that I did it , my intention

25:49

behind it , wasn't like I

25:52

want people to actually approach

25:55

me just for sex . I wanted

25:57

people to be like , ok

25:59

, wait , he's hot , but like and

26:01

gay , and I can relate in that

26:03

way , but I don't want to fuck him , I want to be

26:05

him , I want to do

26:08

his program or whatever , and

26:11

that was more the vibe I was going for . It

26:14

worked that way for some people . It didn't work that

26:16

way for others . And

26:19

then when I evolved into coaching , still same

26:21

thing A lot less of the sexual

26:25

attention , but

26:28

it's still there . I still have to sometimes

26:30

be paying attention to when someone's

26:32

like hey , I want to work with you . Great

26:34

, do you

26:37

want to work with me just because you want

26:39

to spend time with me and you're hoping that will

26:41

lead to sex , like , yeah

26:43

, because that's not .

26:46

The true intention .

26:47

You're right , but

26:49

anyway , this episode is not about me , so let's

26:52

go back to you . Sorry

26:55

, no apology

26:57

necessary . I'm not a loophole . I

27:00

love this , but

27:03

I want everyone to be able to really get to know

27:05

you here , because they

27:07

get to hear way too much of me on every other

27:09

episode . So

27:13

I'm curious about another thing

27:15

, about , like , what

27:18

might viewers find

27:20

surprising that

27:22

happens behind the scenes that they're totally

27:24

unaware of when they're watching videos

27:26

?

27:26

I mean for me

27:29

it kind of goes back to that discussion , like

27:32

a pre-sex discussion . I'm

27:39

very much all about sitting down

27:42

and really getting to know a person

27:44

and understanding , like I said , what are their

27:46

hotspots ? What

27:49

parts of your body can I touch that maybe make

27:51

your toes

27:55

curl ? Or

27:58

like some people

28:00

love their nipples played with and some people

28:02

it's really like a no

28:04

or like a dead zone . Yeah . It's

28:07

like , oh well , you're doing nothing , like

28:09

you're wasting it . Yeah . And

28:11

for me , like in those

28:13

circumstances when people like

28:17

, if I go to play with someone's nipples

28:19

and they're reacting

28:21

because they think the camera wants to see

28:23

a reaction , versus

28:26

like reacting because that

28:28

feels good , that I kind of

28:31

I don't want that Like

28:33

. No , I don't want to show like that kind of porn

28:36

. I don't want to make that kind of porn . Yeah , like , every reaction

28:38

that I have is very much so like an authentic

28:41

reaction and I really want to

28:43

like give people kind of like like

28:46

I started out making porn because I wanted to provide

28:49

like intimate visuals

28:51

to people that

28:54

they kind of it

28:57

was kind of so like there

29:00

was so much chemistry and there was so much

29:02

intimacy . Like people were like should

29:04

I be watching this ? Like can I watch this ? Oh

29:06

, this is hot . Like I want to watch more . Like

29:09

I want that chemistry , I

29:12

want to feel that kind of passion . So

29:15

, for me , like I

29:17

really want to know like what turns people

29:19

on in order to

29:21

actually turn them on

29:24

Right . Yeah , I don't know . I love that

29:26

.

29:29

It's so . It's less of

29:31

a performance and more of like an authentic

29:34

.

29:35

Yeah , it's kind of hard to

29:37

have hard to find like other people

29:40

in like only fans that want

29:42

to kind of commit to that

29:45

amount of like vulnerability

29:47

, yeah , and also that

29:49

amount of like discussion and

29:51

work , yeah , and

29:54

I mean a lot of it can occur like just

29:57

sexting like between two

29:59

individuals , like prior to like leading up . But

30:04

yeah , I

30:07

love that aspect of getting to

30:09

know someone and then getting to explore

30:11

those delicious

30:18

little

30:20

fun things that really turn

30:22

them on . So

30:25

I guess that's something that

30:28

a lot of people probably don't talk about or

30:32

encounter .

30:34

That's so neat .

30:35

Yeah .

30:37

Okay , one other thing I want to ask

30:39

you . A few episodes ago , I talked

30:41

with the Bottoms Digest and

30:43

we were talking about how , oh my God , do you know

30:45

that ?

30:46

Do you know him ? Yeah ?

30:47

I love them . Yeah

30:49

, they are fantastic . Okay

30:52

, so one of the things that we talked

30:54

about was how in porn

30:57

, like produced porn , there

31:00

are the same messes that happen in

31:03

real life , where not everything's always

31:05

perfectly perfect . Can

31:09

you confirm that the

31:13

same awkwardness that happens in

31:15

anyone else's sex encounters whether

31:17

that's messes or awkward

31:21

things that happen like I don't know you climb off the bed

31:23

and stub your toe ?

31:27

I 100% can confirm

31:29

that

31:31

even though it's studio work and it's

31:34

very structured

31:36

and it's very scripted

31:40

, we're still human beings , we're still

31:42

engaging together . It

31:45

is still very real

31:47

in that aspect . And

31:49

of course there's always going to be a little

31:52

mess , or

31:55

I mean not always . I've been really fortunate

31:57

that I have not encountered a mess

32:00

yet in the few studio

32:03

scenes that I have done . It

32:06

is definitely a fear in

32:08

the back of my head , as I'm sure it's in

32:10

a lot of people's head

32:13

, if I were to go into

32:16

a studio scene bottoming

32:18

and knowing that you're going to

32:20

be there for like

32:23

six hours

32:25

, maybe six to eight hours .

32:27

Wait , hold on . This is something that I

32:30

just not know . Okay , you're

32:32

actually filming for like six to eight hours

32:34

.

32:35

Maybe this is like a secret that I'm not supposed to tell people , but

32:37

not continuously

32:40

filming for six to eight hours . But it

32:42

depends on , like

32:44

, how many clips the director wants to go

32:46

through and how long it

32:49

takes to get through each clip , whether

32:53

it's how many camera angles they want to do or

32:56

how

32:59

long it takes individuals

33:01

to get an erection , because they generally

33:04

want you to have a full erection when

33:06

the filming starts in order to

33:09

provide that fantasy . Yeah , like

33:12

optics over softics . Yeah , but

33:17

yeah , it can go all

33:19

day . That's impressive . They

33:23

do provide opportunities to go freshen

33:26

up and shower and there's

33:28

breaks for food or

33:31

water , and they're very

33:33

accommodating . It is not like jail

33:35

. You were chained to this desk until

33:37

we finished this game , but

33:40

yeah , it takes as long as it

33:43

takes .

33:44

It's so interesting . I think I knew that

33:47

it took longer , but in my head that

33:49

just meant like maybe like three hours

33:51

.

33:52

Yeah , I mean that's like a good well

33:54

for me . I usually a lot like two

33:56

hours for any

33:58

kind of only fan scene , so

34:01

that is like set up and

34:04

talking and getting to know

34:06

and like breaking the ice , like I've never met

34:08

this person before in real life and I

34:10

don't want it to be awkward , and we

34:14

kind of go into everything and then maybe

34:16

we'll fuck for like an hour

34:18

hour and a half . And then

34:20

there's the exchange that happens

34:23

afterwards , like exchanging content

34:25

and making sure like everybody signs

34:27

model releases and everyone understands

34:29

like when and where

34:31

and how we'll post and

34:33

all that I

34:35

should not sexy stuff Right

34:38

All the business side , yeah , yeah

34:41

.

34:42

I love it . Okay , hey , this

34:44

is right . There

34:47

is even just such helpful information

34:49

, I think , for people to understand . I

34:51

think when they're watching a

34:53

15 minute video , there's hours that

34:55

go into it . Yeah , and

34:58

you cannot expect to

35:00

have sex with someone that

35:02

looks like a 15 minute porn

35:04

and in real life it's going to be a 15 minute

35:07

encounter and it's going to happen the same

35:09

way or even similar like that's

35:11

. There's a fantasy to it

35:13

.

35:14

No , it's very much like a business

35:17

in that aspect . You have to understand

35:19

, like your customer , and what fantasy you're providing

35:22

them and then

35:24

, generally speaking , just

35:26

kind of perfecting that's over

35:30

time .

35:31

Yeah , all right , love

35:33

it . No , let's

35:37

pop over to the next question I had for

35:39

you , which was around as

35:41

a genderqueer person . Do you have

35:43

tips for our listeners around

35:45

sexual confidence ?

35:47

Yeah , Like

35:56

we kind of discussed before , like I'm really exploring

35:59

the gender identity that

36:01

is me . Again

36:07

, I feel as though , like

36:09

through sexual like

36:12

encounters

36:14

, there is always a need to have

36:16

a discussion , yeah , like

36:19

there's always a need to be like open and honest

36:22

about where maybe

36:24

you feel like the most vulnerable

36:26

and our nose

36:29

for you and what are

36:31

like yeses , like what has

36:33

to happen in order for this to be like

36:35

a pleasurable experience . And

36:40

if someone isn't willing to kind of

36:42

entertain that

36:45

discussion , then they're honestly not worth

36:47

your time . Like there is not

36:50

a situation that I feel like I would put myself

36:52

in , where Because

36:57

I have in the past put myself in

36:59

situations that I felt like

37:01

very violated and kind of less

37:04

than human yeah

37:08

, I just strongly recommend to like

37:11

avoid that at

37:13

all costs , because it is not

37:16

going to do any good .

37:18

Yeah , yeah , makes

37:20

sense .

37:21

Yeah .

37:24

How about any tips for gender

37:27

confidence , like expressing your

37:29

gender queerness

37:32

?

37:32

Oh my God , just fuck shit up , Just

37:34

go out there and try it

37:37

. You know , like maybe at first , because

37:39

at first I will

37:42

wholeheartedly admit like I looked a mess

37:44

. I was very like I'm

37:46

a 13 year old girl , wearing

37:49

all of my favorite things . I have all

37:51

the jewelry on and I am

37:53

, I'm doing it , you know

37:55

like maybe

37:58

I'm a little bit more refined now , probably

38:01

not a whole lot , but I'm

38:03

really enjoying like the exploration

38:06

of like the nail polish , the

38:08

skirts , and and

38:10

then doing that on social media

38:13

kind of is a

38:15

little more , I

38:18

would say , therapeutic than kind

38:21

of anything

38:23

really . I mean

38:25

truly like you're exposing

38:28

yourself to whomever is

38:30

on social media , and

38:35

I think for me

38:37

, taking it to the next level would

38:39

probably be incorporating

38:41

like more women's wear and

38:44

or what is considered

38:46

like traditional women's wear , I mean

38:48

like skirts and clothing and I feel

38:51

like everything like that . I want to include

38:53

more of that into like my everyday

38:55

wear , where it's not

38:57

like so fetishy , it's not like the

39:00

two inch skirts that is

39:02

barely covering a butchie kind of thing

39:05

. But there is now , like this

39:07

is actual , like adult

39:09

clothing that I am like

39:11

living , yeah . And

39:15

then I really want to learn

39:17

how to do like makeup and kind

39:21

of just see where that goes . And yeah

39:25

, I mean , like

39:27

I said , fuck it up , like it really

39:30

doesn't matter , like if it , if you

39:33

don't have a makeup on or a coat

39:35

of clothing and it brings you joy

39:37

when you look in the mirror , then

39:40

do that for you . Yeah , like

39:42

absolutely fucking

39:44

this . You get one life , why not

39:47

? Yes , be

39:50

queer , just fuck

39:53

yeah . And if anybody

39:55

says anything , tell me and I will

39:57

come fuck shit up to it .

39:58

You'll

40:03

have a new bodyguard option

40:05

here . Yeah , I

40:10

love it . I mean , I wholeheartedly

40:12

agree that I've

40:15

gone through a similar process

40:17

of like figuring out what my style is to

40:19

, and it's totally evolving and

40:22

it's really just all about

40:24

experimenting , trying things . If you're comfortable

40:27

in it , fantastic . Other times you wear something and

40:29

you're not comfortable in it and like cool , don't

40:31

wear it again , you're done with it yeah , yeah

40:33

, yeah , we tried it Next

40:35

. Yeah , wasn't for , wasn't for you

40:38

. Yeah , someone

40:40

else can have it . Donate it , okay

40:46

. Last question for you , a

40:48

question from the audience . David

40:50

asks how is maintaining a

40:53

relationship different when you work in

40:55

porn ?

41:01

Maintaining a relationship will always

41:05

, in my opinion , require an

41:07

immense amount of work . Regardless

41:09

of if you're doing sex work or if you

41:11

are in a monotone or misrelationship

41:14

that you are

41:16

only doing that

41:18

, I

41:20

would say that there's a lot of

41:22

communication that has to happen in

41:24

terms of any like

41:28

scheduling . And well

41:31

, let me back up . Okay , so like for

41:33

my relationship , yeah , it's

41:40

kind of evolved in

41:43

terms of sex work from like a

41:46

monogamous relationship and

41:48

then now it is very much

41:50

so like a non

41:52

monogamous , open relationship where

41:55

we

41:57

sleep with other people and

41:59

kind of engage

42:01

in like adult

42:04

activities outside of the relationship

42:06

but then come back together and also engage

42:08

in adult activities together

42:10

. But

42:13

it definitely requires like an immense amount

42:15

of communication , like

42:19

open , honest communication , like

42:21

what is actually like the

42:23

feeling you're feeling , and in order to

42:25

do that you have to be like open

42:27

, honest and vulnerable . And

42:30

like when I say honest , I mean

42:32

honest with yourself , like how are you truly

42:34

feeling about like your

42:37

partner sleeping with somebody or you

42:40

sleeping with this other person , and

42:44

just kind of like constantly checking in

42:46

with whomever your primary

42:49

partner or partners are in

42:51

order to because if they're not

42:53

sex workers , I

42:56

mean they're

42:58

kind of living vicariously through

43:00

you . But , like , as a sex

43:02

worker , you're always

43:05

kind of like taking on a

43:08

lot more , I feel . Yeah

43:11

, in order to separate , like how

43:16

can I say this ? In order to separate work

43:19

from authentic

43:22

personal

43:25

sex , I guess , yeah , it's

43:29

definitely a challenge that you have to mentally

43:31

prepare yourself for . But

43:35

then your partner or

43:37

partners engaging

43:39

in casual sex

43:41

yeah , could

43:43

just see all of your interactions

43:46

as this

43:48

fun happening

43:50

that is constantly going on

43:52

. Yeah , where for

43:55

me , a lot of it is like

43:57

oh , this is work , right , no

43:59

, yeah , so

44:03

that's kind of like been one

44:05

of the main challenges in our

44:07

relationship in terms of like communicating

44:10

, like , oh , this is work , not

44:12

like I'm not going

44:14

just for a fuck-best . Yeah

44:17

, I mean , I enjoy sex

44:19

, but I also recognize that this is

44:21

work . Yes , yeah

44:23

, I don't know if that makes sense or just rambling

44:25

.

44:26

No , it absolutely does . It really

44:28

is about . I think it sounds

44:30

like it boils down to having boundaries

44:33

with what you want , your yeses and

44:35

your noes , your partner or partners

44:38

, yeses and noes and communicating

44:40

, just communicate , communicate , communicate

44:43

. And it has to be honest , both with yourself and

44:45

with the other person .

44:46

Yeah , yeah , yeah , yeah

44:48

, it really . I

44:50

mean , and we've been to like couples counseling

44:52

for years and years and years and years

44:55

, not for any like particular reason , just

44:57

kind of like checking in , which

45:00

has been hugely substantial , and I'm

45:04

sure we have like way more work

45:06

to do .

45:09

There's always a more you can do , yeah

45:11

.

45:11

Really , you never really expect there

45:14

to be an issue until just

45:16

something happens . Yeah , and you're like , oh

45:18

okay , maybe we should talk about that .

45:19

Yeah , yeah , fantastic

45:22

. Yeah , I love

45:24

that you're also an advocate of seeking

45:26

out mental health resources and so just trying to

45:29

do it on your own , because I

45:32

am not qualified . None

45:36

of us are . None of us are like come into this

45:38

world like cool , got this , got

45:40

it .

45:41

Yeah , yeah , I can handle

45:43

it Right . Tell yourself that

45:45

.

45:46

Yeah .

45:47

There you go .

45:48

No , we are meant

45:51

to be communal beings that Totally

45:54

Interdependent

45:56

right but rely

45:58

on others and also have our own independence

46:01

. Oh yeah , 100%

46:03

.

46:05

I also think that it helps just having like that unbiased

46:08

, like kind

46:10

of helpful angel

46:13

or whatever you want to call them , like being

46:15

, yeah , just kind of guiding you through

46:17

First of like your best friend

46:19

who's really advocating

46:22

for you , kind of yeah

46:24

, more than anything else .

46:26

Yeah , yeah , amazing . I

46:30

love it . No , I

46:33

have a tendency to like raffle . So , oh

46:36

, me too . Go

46:38

listen to one of my solo episodes and

46:40

see what you think You'll be like . How did you fill

46:43

up 45 minutes of talking ? You didn't

46:45

even touch on the topic . I

46:47

do get around to the topic generally . I'm

46:50

sure anyone listening right now , too , is like having their own

46:52

opinions about us . But

46:56

I am fine . That's the whole point of this podcast

46:58

is just like enjoy and share

47:01

helpful information . So thank

47:04

you so much for being

47:06

on the episode today . Really

47:09

appreciate all of your insight , your authenticity

47:12

, your vulnerability with us . Thank

47:14

you so much .

47:15

Thank you for having me . This has been a

47:17

treasure . Thank you .

47:19

You're welcome . Before we

47:21

head out , you know , I will absolutely link

47:23

everything down in the show notes . Is there anything

47:26

that you want to share with everyone , just

47:29

to make sure that they're aware of where they can find you ?

47:33

If you go to my link tree , link tree dot com

47:36

backslash more than Morgxn

47:38

take you'll find all of my links . That's

47:42

pretty much the easiest way to just

47:44

kind of like one stop shop whatever

47:46

you want to do , whatever

47:48

you want to see , and that's where you're going to go . Yeah

47:53

, but if you find me on Instagram , it's

47:56

also there . It's

47:58

pretty easy to find me , as long as you spell my name

48:00

, right .

48:02

Thick .

48:06

That wrist snap .

48:10

All right , perfect . Well , everyone

48:12

will have all of that linked down in the show

48:14

notes for you so you can go

48:17

just enjoy all of Morgxn's amazing

48:20

art . It really

48:22

think of what you do all sex work

48:24

as art . So thank

48:26

you for doing the work that

48:28

you do in the world . We need it , thank

48:30

you .

48:31

That really means a lot . I

48:34

appreciate that .

48:36

Of course , all right

48:38

. Well , my friends , I

48:40

will see you next Tuesday

48:42

. Bye , bye .