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Hello and welcome to the Radiant

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Mission podcast . My name is Rebecca

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Twomey and we are on a mission to

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encourage and inspire you as you're navigating

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through this wildlife and

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with your relationship with Yahweh

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. We are currently in a series

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called God's Design for Women's

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Health . If you're tuning in for

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the very first time , welcome . We're so glad

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you're here Today . We are

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welcoming a very special

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guest to share her story

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and I have to preface this

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. It is such an incredible

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testimony . Lindsay holds

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a master of social work from the University

1:09

of Buffalo and is living

1:13

, breathing proof that facts

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and real science can change even

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the most radical , angry

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leftist . Her quote Lindsay

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considers herself a recovered radical

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feminist who changed her views of the

1:27

world and politics through meaningful conversations

1:30

and firsthand experiences

1:32

of leftist ideology in action . Having

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earned her master's degree in social work , she

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hopes to use the tenets of the profession

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in her everyday life to foster

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important conversations just like this one

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, and she invites others

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to challenge their beliefs . During

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her time as a social worker , lindsay

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has worked with youth in multiple settings , such

1:54

as in-home , community and schools

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, and Lindsay's experiences as

1:58

a social work intern at Planned Parenthood

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is what brings her here today . Lindsay

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, thank you so much for joining

2:05

me today .

2:07

Thank you so much for letting me come on and share my

2:09

story . I am so excited .

2:11

Me too . I am really

2:14

looking forward to you sharing your story . I'll

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give a little background for those listening

2:18

. Lindsay and I met on Instagram

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when I came across a video about

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what happens during an abortion

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and Lindsay was in

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the comments and she bravely shared a very

2:30

brief version of her experience

2:32

working at Planned Parenthood . And we

2:34

got to talking and I'm just

2:36

so grateful for your willingness to

2:38

come and share your story . So

2:41

I'd love if you could just start off by sharing

2:43

a little bit about your background and

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what was your upbringing like ?

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Yeah . So my upbringing

2:51

, I'll

2:53

say it , was pretty chaotic . You

2:55

know my mom and my dad we were , I would

2:58

say , around like middle class

3:00

. I went to public school

3:02

. We were not involved in church at

3:04

all , so I didn't really have that as

3:06

part of my upbringing . Lot

3:28

of issues that surfaced in my teen years that

3:30

made parenting very difficult for her and later in life I

3:32

realized that before she had me she lost two children . Oh , I'm so

3:35

sorry . Yeah , it's very sad , but I think that

3:37

that kind of sets the tone , for

3:39

you know what we're going to talk about and

3:41

you know that that experience

3:44

for her definitely had such a profound impact

3:46

on you know , the trajectory

3:48

of her life and everything . So

3:52

after public school I

3:54

ended up going to a

3:56

Franciscan college in Hamburg

3:59

, new York , called Hilbert , and

4:01

that's when I realized I wanted to be a social

4:03

worker , you know , talking to the professors

4:06

and everything . I was like this is my calling

4:08

, like I definitely wanted to go into the helping field

4:10

and I applied to

4:13

UB to get my MSW

4:15

. I got into the program . I

4:19

was there for two years at

4:22

first and then I took a break and

4:24

then I finished my

4:26

master's program kind of right when

4:29

COVID started , so around

4:31

2020 is when I graduated

4:33

.

4:34

Perfect time to graduate . Huh yeah

4:37

, wild times . So I'm

4:39

curious about you feeling

4:41

called to social work . Was

4:44

there any particular incident that

4:46

made you feel you know I want to go into

4:48

social work ? Was there something that happened

4:50

or it just was a feeling that you

4:52

knew you could help other people through that

4:54

?

4:56

So I think , like I mentioned , with my

4:58

upbringing , I talked

5:00

a lot to the school social workers and they really

5:02

helped me . You

5:04

know , during difficult times in my life when I was

5:06

in high school and

5:09

I thought , wow , it would be so cool to

5:11

like be that adult for , you

5:13

know , children , whether it was in a school setting

5:15

or just a community setting to be

5:18

kind of like a guidance , you

5:20

know , through this life , that is so

5:22

crazy , especially when you're in high school . I mean , there's so much

5:24

going on . That

5:27

is kind of what really made me

5:29

think . Like you know , I want to get into

5:32

the helping profession . I want to help people

5:34

, which I think everyone says when they go into

5:36

that field . So

5:39

that's kind of what led me to there .

5:40

Yeah , that's interesting . Now I

5:42

have to touch on this . You

5:45

mentioned leftist feminist movement

5:47

and kind of termed it

5:49

that way . What attracted

5:51

you to that movement ? Was

5:53

it something that you kind of feel like you always were a part

5:56

of or chose to be a part of as

5:58

you got older ? Tell me about your background

6:00

with that .

6:02

So I would say , in undergrad is

6:04

when it was something

6:08

that I realized I wanted to become a part of

6:10

. I would say , in like junior

6:12

year of undergrad I

6:14

had to take some classes like senior

6:16

seminar or not senior seminar

6:19

, junior symposium , where we had

6:21

to get a subscription to the New York

6:23

Times and every

6:25

week we would read an article and

6:27

discuss like the politics

6:30

about it , you know the social aspects

6:32

of it , and it would just be like an open discussion

6:35

. And that's where I started hearing , you

6:38

know , about feminism and then about

6:42

racism , racial

6:44

inequality , all you know classes

6:46

, all of those different kind of buzzwords were coming

6:48

up during classes and

6:52

I was like , oh my gosh , like I'm in

6:54

the helping field , I'm

6:56

trying to be like a champion for these people

6:58

that are like so oppressed and so

7:00

I need

7:02

to like get on board with that . And

7:05

you know the feminist movement and the other

7:08

part of it , I think , was like the whole

7:10

sticking it to the man , because you know , when you're

7:12

like in your late teens , early

7:14

20s , that's kind of like the big , you

7:17

know drive

7:19

for that time

7:21

like they're making a chain

7:23

. You know going to rallies , you know you're talking

7:25

about really serious issues

7:28

in like a classroom setting and

7:32

I think a lot of the professors , especially for

7:34

my specific field , were in

7:38

that movement as well , and

7:41

I'm sure that there was some kind of trickle down effect

7:45

. That definitely happened .

7:46

Yeah , for sure , I was an English major

7:48

in college and so in

7:51

liberal arts , as I'm sure

7:53

in social work , it's a

7:55

whole thing . There

7:57

are whole groups . So I understand

7:59

where you're coming from in that perspective of just

8:01

it's part of the culture in

8:03

many ways . There are some things that even

8:06

for me , I remember specific

8:08

weeks where there were questions

8:11

posed to us that I

8:13

mean I'm talking , I'm 15

8:16

plus years out of college and I still remember

8:18

and to this day go interesting

8:21

that they were kind of propagandizing

8:25

certain trajectories

8:27

, right . So I'm

8:29

curious , because you're much fresher

8:32

out of this what did

8:34

feminism or what does feminism

8:36

mean in those

8:38

circles and in those groups for you ? What

8:41

did being a feminist mean to you for

8:44

?

8:44

you what ? What did being a feminist mean to you During that

8:46

time ? It meant , um

8:48

, you know , gaining power

8:51

of my own

8:53

body , which I think ties

8:56

into the whole . Like you know

8:58

, abortion topic , um

9:00

, being able to do what you want . Like men

9:03

can't tell you to do anything . Smash the

9:05

patriarchy , all of that . You know the

9:07

key slogans that they talk about , and

9:10

at that time it just it meant like women

9:13

and not even being equal

9:15

, but being superior to men , and

9:18

I think that that was a message that was

9:20

kind of hidden . I remember

9:22

that there were some men in the

9:24

classroom , like during my senior year , that

9:26

were like asking questions

9:28

like you know , what is feminism

9:31

about ? And they said like being a straight

9:33

white male , I feel like I'm targeted when I've

9:35

never done anything . And I thought

9:37

that at the time I was like , well , they shouldn't

9:40

be talking or saying anything . But

9:42

now it's like , well , yeah , of course

9:44

they probably did feel targeted . Um

9:47

, so that was what

9:49

it meant , you know , at the time , for

9:52

me to be like a feminist .

9:54

That's interesting . And if you thought , if you think

9:56

about that from the flip side , if you had

9:58

been in a room and men

10:00

were talking about well

10:03

men , men should

10:05

control things and men need to

10:07

be the bosses over all women

10:09

and and all that , could you imagine how

10:11

uncomfortable you'd be in that same scenario

10:14

from the flip side of it ? It is

10:16

interesting when we think about it from that other side

10:18

.

10:20

It is especially like hindsight is definitely 2020

10:23

. Like thinking now it's like

10:25

I feel so bad for those you know , college

10:27

kids that were probably just like I'm trying to get an

10:29

education and just try to get through college

10:31

and I'm like the bad

10:34

person .

10:49

Yeah , absolutely . Now what about the pro-choice side of things ?

10:50

Obviously , this is going to be a huge part of your experience that you're going to share today . What

10:52

made you feel like pro-choice was the right choice for you at that time

10:54

? Again

10:59

, going back to having power over my own body , the whole bodily

11:01

autonomy thing , and that kind of went hand in hand with what

11:03

I wanted for my career . I wanted to , you know , be a social worker , go into

11:06

that profession , um , and social work is all

11:08

about empowering clients

11:10

to make informed choices

11:13

. You know , make their own decisions , um

11:16

, keyword being informed because , um

11:18

, we weren't entirely informed

11:21

in certain

11:23

aspects during , you know , the

11:25

social work field , um

11:27

, and even like day-to-day

11:29

stuff , like with the whole , um , planned

11:32

Parenthood thing , they're not informing

11:34

them about exactly what they're going

11:36

to be going into , um

11:38

, when they walk into that clinic . So

11:41

that

11:44

was really what it

11:46

was for me , um , you

11:48

know , not telling someone else what to do , like , at

11:50

the time I don't know if I had gotten pregnant

11:53

in undergrad , if I would have

11:55

gone through with that Cause , since I was still like

11:57

, uh , for

11:59

being your own person

12:01

, being able to do whatever you wanted to do , um

12:04

I to do . I just didn't want to tell anyone else what

12:06

to do with their own body .

12:09

Yeah . Do you feel like

12:11

, at that time in

12:13

college , women

12:16

that were a part of the pro-choice

12:18

movement ? Do you think they really understood

12:21

what it means

12:23

to have an abortion , what really

12:25

happens during an abortion ? Or

12:28

do you feel that there is a good understanding

12:30

and , even with that understanding

12:33

, it doesn't

12:35

matter . They just want to make the choice

12:37

whether to abort or not ? I'm

12:39

just curious . This is my own curiosity .

12:44

I would say they don't know , because I didn't

12:46

know . Going into being

12:48

an intern at Planned Parenthood , I had no idea

12:51

what it entailed . I just

12:53

heard what other people would say it's

12:56

a couple of cells , it's going to be

12:59

an easy procedure , it's going to be

13:01

normal , that

13:04

type of thing , it's

13:20

going to be normal , that type of thing . And then after I realized

13:22

is and know the procedure and know what

13:25

it looks like , I

13:28

don't know if they just don't care or

13:30

if , like you said , they just want to be able to make that choice

13:32

for themselves of yes , I know

13:35

what this entails and I'm going

13:37

to do it .

13:38

Yeah , and we're going to get into kind

13:41

of the details of what you experienced , to

13:46

kind of the details of what you experienced . But it reminds me of I once read a comment from

13:48

a thread similar to the one that you and I were on , and maybe even

13:51

in the same one , where

13:53

someone said something like well

13:56

, this isn't entirely accurate , because when I

13:58

had an abortion , they

14:00

killed the fetus first before

14:02

removing it , and

14:13

it just like my heart sank because to me it was

14:15

like both instances , whether the child was killed before

14:17

or after , you

14:19

know what , at whatever point during the

14:22

procedure , know

14:27

what , at whatever point during the procedure it , it just spoke to . The fact that she

14:29

used the word kill felt made me feel very like

14:31

you understand that something

14:34

is being killed here , a human being . But

14:36

we're going to get into that . So , I love , could

14:38

you tell us a little bit about what led

14:41

you to interning at Planned Parenthood

14:43

and then what happened ? What was your

14:45

experience ?

14:48

So I initially wanted to intern

14:50

. When I was an undergrad I went

14:52

to , like I said , a Franciscan college and

14:54

what ? I suggested that one of my

14:56

for one of one , because you have to do two internships

14:59

. One internship I wanted to go to

15:01

Planned Parenthood and they did not . One internship I

15:03

wanted to go to Planned Parenthood and they did not . They

15:07

were like no , you can't do that . So

15:12

when I went to UB I suggested to their co-educators so I said you know , I see that Planned Parenthood

15:14

is in here . I think that a social worker in the clinic

15:17

or wherever

15:19

in Planned Parenthood would be really beneficial

15:22

in

15:28

Planned Parenthood would be really beneficial . Um , so it wasn't

15:30

part of the program until I brought it up and then they kind of made that um like section

15:32

for me . I guess it was like a pilot

15:34

, uh thing for

15:37

a social worker intern to be at Planned Parenthood

15:39

. So I had a lot of like

15:42

free range to do not

15:44

really anything I wanted , but I could be everywhere

15:46

. I was in clinics , I was in

15:49

there's like a youth program there where

15:51

, like after school it's like based around theater

15:54

and also learning about

15:56

like education , like

15:58

sexual education stuff like that . So

16:02

I was in that I went to the call center that's over

16:04

in Rochester , which was really interesting

16:06

, where all the calls will come in and

16:09

they kind of get triaged or people

16:11

will have questions because you can't directly call

16:13

the clinic as

16:15

easily . So I did that

16:17

. There was a mobile , like

16:20

a big RV , that would go to

16:22

different schools and they would provide um

16:24

reproductive care , quote

16:26

unquote . Mainly it was like STI , std

16:28

testing , um , so

16:31

there was that . And then

16:33

, um , I was at the surgical

16:36

clinic , um , which

16:39

that is a place where you women will

16:41

go and get surgical abortions . If it was

16:43

too far along for a medical abortion

16:45

, it was only like

16:47

one time a week , or not

16:49

a week , one time a month that

16:52

they would do this .

16:53

Wow .

16:54

Okay , and

16:57

that was where I

16:59

essentially realized that it was

17:01

. This was not for

17:03

me as far as like being at Planned

17:05

Parenthood and , you

17:08

know , being someone that is pro-choice

17:10

. So

17:12

I still remember

17:14

to this day like walking into

17:17

the clinic and there was

17:19

a girl that was working there and

17:22

she had

17:24

a shirt on that said abortion

17:27

is a gift from god , and

17:31

that was a shirt she wore in the clinic

17:33

like people could see her . People

17:36

who are coming in during a very difficult

17:38

time , who are like , okay , I have to get this

17:40

abortion , or feeling like they have to . And

17:42

that is the attire that she chose to wear

17:44

, which I ended up like talking

17:46

about later with my supervisor . So

17:51

that was like the first kind

17:53

of like taste I had of what that day was going

17:56

to be like wow so

17:59

I met with some of

18:02

the uh women

18:04

who were there . like , before they

18:06

do the uh

18:08

procedure , you have to sign off paperwork

18:11

. So I met with them , um

18:13

, and while I kind of shadowed

18:15

, while the nurse went over the paperwork with them , gave

18:17

them medication to calm their nerves

18:19

, essentially like painkillers Um

18:22

, some of them were prescribed volumes , I

18:24

think and just

18:27

getting them ready for this is what you're going to

18:29

about going to be doing .

18:31

Um , what is the paperwork for ? Just stating

18:34

their risks ? Or does it tell

18:36

them ? Or do the women even read it ? Or

18:38

do they just sign it and move on

18:40

?

18:42

Sometimes they didn't even read it . Um , um , the

18:45

nurse would like go

18:47

over like . This is like a consent form , essentially that

18:49

you're consenting to that

18:51

you're going to be getting an abortion . Um

18:54

, and I

18:58

don't . I don't think I watched any of the girls actually sit

19:00

there and read what they were signing

19:03

, cause there's risks associated right

19:05

.

19:05

Like you could perforate your uterus or

19:07

cause other damage and

19:09

I'm sure most women probably like

19:12

. When we go to any appointment , just sign

19:14

at the bottom .

19:16

Right , yeah , not really knowing and

19:18

that goes back to the whole informed consent thing not

19:20

knowing what you're going to

19:22

entail , what the risks are , um

19:25

, which is

19:28

really sad when you think about it because , like , potentially

19:33

like someone you know

19:35

, having something like that happen

19:37

during an abortion

19:39

and then it escalating to needing

19:42

an ambulance or something I

19:45

don't know .

19:46

It was just kind of wild that Do

19:49

they explain what they're

19:51

doing during the procedure , or how do they explain

19:54

what's going to happen during the procedure ?

19:57

So they do that once they're already in

19:59

the room . Um

20:01

, and I remember the uh

20:03

abortionist was

20:05

mentioning you know that you're going to feel some gentle suctioning

20:08

, but it

20:11

sounds like you know how , when you go to a

20:14

dentist and they tried to , once they

20:16

rinse out your mouth and they're getting all

20:18

like the fluid out of your mouth with

20:20

a little suction thing . That's what it sounded like

20:22

, um , and

20:26

you could see , because I was in the room , you could

20:28

see that she , she was obviously in

20:30

pain and it

20:32

wasn't gentle , um

20:36

, but they do talk

20:38

them through what they're doing . You

20:42

know the woman saying

20:44

you know I'm going to be dilating the

20:46

uterus with these different like long

20:49

tools that they have to do and

20:51

then suctioning

20:54

out what's

20:56

inside the uterus , which is a baby

20:58

, but that's not

21:01

what they say , right no ? Do

21:09

they use fetus , or do they just say like contents

21:11

, or I can't remember exactly

21:13

what the verbiage was , because I was kind of shocked .

21:14

I'm sure .

21:16

Seeing exactly what it was . I

21:19

remember my supervisor at the time was right next to the woman

21:21

and like holding her hand and everything which I Um , I remember my supervisor at the time was right next to the woman and like holding her hand and everything

21:24

which I thought I mean , how

21:27

much bedside manner can you have during

21:30

a situation like that ? Um

21:32

, but

21:35

it was very quick . And then they um

21:39

, take the contents of what

21:41

comes out and it's in a bag and it's

21:43

immediately taken out of the room and

21:46

then afterwards they , you

21:50

know , tell the woman who's laying there

21:52

. You know you're going to be bleeding for a while , we're going

21:54

to put you in our recovery room

21:56

and you're

21:59

going to be there for like a couple hours until

22:02

you can walk and you feel better and then

22:04

you can go home , um

22:07

, and then , after all

22:10

that was done and she was in the recovery

22:12

room , the girl that had the t-shirt

22:15

on that I mentioned earlier and another staff

22:17

member were like almost

22:20

giddy to see

22:22

um , I'm

22:25

gonna call it a baby , the baby afterwards

22:27

, and they

22:29

were just talking about how cool it looked and like

22:32

, oh , I love looking at , like um

22:34

, like you know , medical stuff

22:36

, and just like talking

22:38

about it like they were seeing , like I

22:42

don't know , something completely

22:45

different . Given

22:47

, like the circumstances , I don't know , it was just like it's

22:49

like they were looking at fossils from a museum

22:52

or something . It sounds like yeah

22:54

, exactly like they were so like stoked

22:56

about it and it was a

22:58

living , breathing baby , not long

23:00

.

23:00

And now I'd like to hear a

23:03

little bit about the timing , because you mentioned that

23:05

these are abortions

23:09

that are past the point where they're

23:11

giving medication . So how

23:13

many weeks gestation was

23:16

this baby and how many weeks

23:18

gestation would some of the other

23:20

babies would have been during

23:22

this day .

23:25

I want to say this one

23:28

specifically was I

23:32

don't know why 17 weeks sounds

23:34

like the

23:36

right number , cause I remember asking

23:38

at some point like am I

23:40

see to see it ? Because

23:44

I wanted to get the full experience

23:46

. And I know that it might be like a bad , like

23:48

I probably shouldn't have asked to see

23:50

it , but I wanted to know what it

23:52

looked like . Okay , and she said

23:54

I don't know if you should , it was pretty far

23:56

along wow and

23:59

I was like I've

24:01

seen , like you know I've

24:04

hunted before , like it's fine , like I did

24:06

not really think anything

24:08

of it , and I went into the back room and I was by

24:10

myself and you see this

24:12

baby

24:15

in a pyrex dish and

24:19

during that moment I was like this

24:21

, this is not okay

24:24

. Yeah

24:27

, um , you know , before we like when , if you're getting like

24:29

a medication abortion I believe it has to

24:31

be I want to say

24:33

under 12 weeks that

24:37

you can get one Um

24:39

, and at that time they say that you're going to

24:42

pass something that's a claw the size of a lemon

24:44

. But I'm sure

24:46

that you've seen people on

24:48

Instagram or TikTok

24:50

say you're not just passing a claw

24:53

, you're passing an actual child , it's a baby

24:55

that's coming out .

24:57

Yes , absolutely . I have

25:00

had two miscarriages

25:02

myself and they've both been

25:04

very early miscarriages , around

25:06

five to six weeks

25:09

, and your body goes through labor

25:11

at five to six weeks . So

25:13

I could only imagine a

25:16

baby at 17 weeks . A mother would have

25:18

gone through labor had she gone , had a miscarriage

25:20

at 17 weeks and that's

25:22

a very large

25:24

size baby .

25:25

That must have been very

25:27

difficult for you to see it

25:30

was and I thought you

25:32

know by like the , how

25:34

the other two co-workers were taught , where

25:36

people were talking about it , I was like

25:39

, oh , it's , I'll be fine , like

25:41

it's not going to affect me , it's just a medical

25:43

procedure , I'll be okay

25:45

. And I was totally not

25:47

like okay . After I saw

25:49

that um , yeah

25:52

it . That is definitely the moment that changed my

25:55

entire perspective on abortion

25:57

.

25:58

Um , yeah , tell us about that . What

26:00

changed after that moment for

26:03

you ?

26:05

um , I , I just realized like that

26:08

, more it became

26:10

more clear to me that I've been lied by

26:13

the leftists and , you know , the feminists

26:15

of it's just a clump of cells , it's

26:18

not . You know , an actual baby like

26:20

this isn't murder

26:22

. And I realized that at that time , like that was

26:25

murder , like I watched someone in

26:28

the name of you know bodily autonomy

26:31

and empowerment , murder

26:34

their child because they felt like it was the right

26:36

decision for them .

26:37

Yeah , yeah , oh , wow . That's so heartbreaking

26:40

. Yeah , yeah , oh , wow . That's so heartbreaking for

26:43

that mother who was swayed into

26:45

that . First

26:51

of all and I'm sure that , being in the field that you're in , you've probably

26:53

also come across a lot of the residual trauma that comes from abortion , and that's

26:55

something that isn't talked about

26:58

. Abortion is praised in communities

27:00

as being a woman's

27:03

choice . It's a woman's choice to kill the

27:05

baby inside of her . Yet

27:07

there isn't the same rallying

27:10

around the women who

27:12

have been coaxed into this

27:14

experience and then

27:16

now have to deal with the after effects because

27:18

you just had a baby

27:20

effects

27:27

because you just had a baby , even though this baby was removed

27:29

from you by a doctor . She's

27:31

now going to go through all of the postpartum hormones that come along with the baby now not

27:34

being in her body , and I

27:36

just think about how heartbreaking that must be for

27:38

so many of these

27:40

women that were convinced

27:42

that this was the right thing to do for

27:45

your career or for your

27:47

life . Your life would have been ruined

27:49

, or whatever the case might be . It's

27:52

just a heartbreaking thing , and I

27:55

really thank you for sharing this

27:58

story with us , because

28:01

I know how important it is

28:03

for us to talk about as

28:05

a society Because , like you said , there

28:07

are movements that are pushing

28:11

the other side and pushing that other agenda so

28:13

hard , and

28:15

the truth of the matter is

28:17

that these are children

28:20

, human children , that

28:23

are being destroyed for

28:26

convenience , you

28:29

know , and of course , there's always

28:31

the argument of well , what about the

28:33

cases of rape , or the

28:35

cases of incest , or the cases of this

28:37

? And now I'm going to share my own personal

28:39

opinion on this . This is , you know , podcasts

28:43

that I'm running here . It's my opinion . My

28:46

answer to those comments

28:48

would be how does murder

28:50

fix any

28:53

of that ? How

28:55

does murder solve the

28:59

original crime that happened ? It

29:02

doesn't . It doesn't solve the problem

29:04

. If anything , you're

29:06

creating additional trauma on top

29:09

of it . So , again , personal

29:11

opinion here . But it

29:13

really is just , it's a heartbreaking thing to watch

29:16

. I really am grateful for liveactionorg

29:19

, which is an Instagram

29:21

page on well , they're

29:23

also on Facebook and YouTube . I'm

29:26

really grateful that they have been exposing

29:28

the actual procedures

29:31

over the last few years , because I

29:33

think that people are so

29:35

numb to what actually happens

29:37

during an abortion , because there

29:40

are words that are used that say

29:42

, like you mentioned earlier , a clump

29:44

of cells . It's just a little bit of

29:46

tissue , and I can tell

29:48

you , I saw the baby that came

29:50

out of me . That was only five weeks old

29:52

. It was the size of a grain of rice

29:54

and it had already begun to

29:56

form . It had a little head , little

29:58

ears , little nose at five

30:01

weeks and

30:03

I can only imagine , at 17

30:05

weeks or even beyond

30:07

, these late-term abortions that people are

30:10

getting right before the baby's about to be born

30:12

. I'm a part of a Facebook group

30:14

called 22 Matters and

30:16

it is a group for women whose babies come

30:18

at 22

30:20

weeks and are born

30:23

in NICUs and these babies live at

30:26

22 , 23 , 24 , 25

30:28

weeks . So to think about

30:30

a baby at 17 weeks , just a month

30:32

later , would

30:35

have been supported in

30:37

certain hospitals . Of course , not

30:39

all are going to support a micro

30:41

preemie like that , but

30:51

it just . It's such a heartbreaking , it's heartbreaking where our society

30:53

has gone this path , that they've gone down . And of course

30:56

you know we're going to talk a little bit about the spiritual side of this and kind

30:58

of it's interesting . The shirt that you mentioned that

31:00

the woman was wearing , that mentions

31:03

God , because God is not

31:05

. It doesn't have anything to do with supporting

31:07

abortion . I can tell you that right now , if

31:10

anything , god abhors

31:12

abortion . You know he isn't . He

31:14

would never support the murder of human life

31:16

and it

31:19

is only darkness that is

31:21

supporting that industry again

31:23

my opinion . So tell me

31:25

a little bit about your experience

31:28

with God in this , because you had mentioned you

31:30

didn't grow up going to church and you didn't really

31:32

grow up around this

31:35

kind of information about God or Jesus

31:37

necessarily . So what happened

31:40

after this ?

31:50

us necessarily . So what happened after this ? So , after this , um , I kind of

31:52

started thinking like , if , if this is being , if this is something that I was

31:54

lied to about , what else am I being lied to

31:56

about ? Um , you

31:59

know , from everything , from religion to

32:02

, you know , uh , critical race

32:04

theory , to all

32:06

of , like , the leftist ideologies

32:10

that are pushed um

32:13

, and I started to question

32:15

, like you know what , why

32:18

did I feel so empty

32:20

and like disgusted when I saw

32:23

that baby ? Like , is it

32:25

? Like ? Is it God ? Is it ? You

32:27

know what exactly brought out those emotions

32:30

? And throughout

32:32

my whole , I

32:35

guess , college experience , I've had people ask

32:37

me , you know , field educators , professors

32:40

, like ask me about my relationship with God , which

32:42

I think is really interesting . Even now

32:44

, like I'm not in a profession

32:47

like the social work profession , I still

32:49

have people asking me that . So

32:52

I think that that just tells

32:55

me that God has put me

32:57

in these situations I

33:00

don't know if to reach me or that he

33:02

has like a bigger meaning

33:04

than I can even understand . Um

33:07

, but it really just got me

33:09

thinking about all the

33:11

other things that I've potentially been lying to

33:13

and kind of looking on the flip side

33:15

of what I had believed for years

33:17

, years , and

33:20

it opened my eyes

33:22

to , you know , maybe there is a

33:24

god , maybe there is um

33:27

clearly evil out

33:29

there , and it that whole

33:31

experience at Planned Parenthood really confirmed

33:33

for me that there is evil in

33:36

this world , um , so

33:39

then that means there has to be good , right , um

33:41

, and

33:44

that kind of led me to the

33:47

place where I am now , where I do believe in

33:49

God . I believe that um

33:52

, jesus

33:55

was real in everything about

33:58

. You know that , see , I'm not very well versed

34:00

in religion and the Bible and

34:02

something that I'm very , you know , in

34:04

my infancy stages of that , but

34:06

it's definitely just changed my perspective

34:09

on not

34:11

even just a religious aspect of abortion

34:13

, but the , um , the

34:16

scientific aspect of it

34:18

.

34:19

Mm-hmm , that's beautiful , and

34:21

we'll have to talk more about some stuff

34:23

and I'll give you some resources because it's

34:26

beautiful . I love the journey that

34:28

you're on . I'm so glad that the

34:30

Lord has touched your life and

34:33

I do agree with you that sometimes

34:35

he puts us in situations that are

34:37

hard or challenging , and I really

34:39

feel like it's him opening

34:41

our eyes and dropping

34:43

the veil that we might have between us

34:46

and the world , and what the world is trying

34:48

to sell us , and then what

34:50

he's really trying to tell

34:52

us this entire time , that maybe we

34:54

just don't want to listen . You know we don't hear

34:56

it , or perhaps we aren't haven't

34:58

been exposed to him in his presence

35:01

yet . So I think that you've

35:03

got some beautiful things to come , sister . I'm

35:05

excited for you . Thank

35:07

you . Now

35:09

I would love if you would

35:12

just you know , what do you want to share with listeners

35:14

about the feminist

35:16

movement and about abortion ? What

35:18

would you want to tell other people

35:20

that might be sucked

35:23

into either of those areas

35:25

or curious about them

35:28

?

35:30

So , with the feminist movement I

35:32

mentioned earlier before how it's kind

35:36

of positioned as having control over your body

35:38

, control over what you can do with your life

35:40

, and I guess I want to

35:42

have

35:45

people that are sucked into it ask themselves

35:47

how much control do

35:49

you really have ? And

35:53

, for example , like the women or the

35:55

young girls who are doing

35:58

things that feel maybe good in the moment , not

36:02

really thinking through some of the

36:04

things that they're doing , whether it's like going out

36:06

and partying

36:09

or , you know , having

36:12

relations with other

36:14

people in a way that's not serious

36:17

. Um , you know

36:19

, really think about who

36:21

is controlling you in this situation

36:24

. Is it you , cause I

36:26

mean it could very well it could be , and

36:28

to that I mean it is what it is . Um

36:31

, or is it what society

36:34

is telling you to believe

36:36

in ? Um , you

36:38

know the women who feel like , oh

36:40

well , I have control over my

36:42

body , so I'm going to go and sleep

36:44

with whoever I want , I'm going to do

36:47

whatever I want , and then not realizing

36:49

that there are going to be consequences

36:52

for those actions . Going

37:03

out , living it up in her 20s , maybe late 20s , sleeping with whoever

37:06

she wants , then she finds that she ends up

37:08

getting pregnant and thinking to herself whether you know , oh

37:10

well , I can just go and get an abortion , and

37:13

is that truly having

37:18

control ? Or

37:20

are you spiraling and

37:22

you're letting other people have control of the guy

37:25

who you slept with and you know he

37:27

has control of whatever he wanted to do for you

37:29

and now he's nowhere in sight ? Or

37:32

you know any type , any

37:34

type of situation

37:37

like that , um

37:40

, and of course , for like the

37:42

instance with um , you

37:45

know rape , incest , that kind of thing . I agree with

37:47

what you mentioned before murder doesn't

37:49

solve the crime . That it's already been

37:51

done , unfortunately , um

37:53

, but I

37:55

think that that is definitely

37:58

the biggest thing I want to get

38:00

people to ask themselves is if they are really

38:02

in control . Being a feminist

38:04

.

38:07

And as far as , yeah

38:11

, that's a totally a great point . We

38:13

all are programmed in some

38:15

way about some

38:17

things and many things , about

38:26

some things and many things , right , and that is a programming

38:28

to this generation and the last two . I would say that's culturally

38:30

and formed

38:32

by the world and pushed on us by the

38:35

world . It obviously is not

38:37

of God or of the Lord , because

38:39

he specifically says

38:41

to love one another

38:43

and not to murder , and

38:46

to be fruitful and multiply , and

38:49

that the bond between a man and a woman

38:51

, a husband and a wife , is the most beautiful

38:53

union that you can imagine

38:56

. And I didn't fully

38:58

understand this until I was married

39:00

and had children of my own . That

39:02

the intimacy that exists between

39:04

a husband and a wife is just

39:07

, it's not even explainable . It's the most

39:09

beautiful thing that you could have

39:12

as

39:23

young women . That sleeping around is empowerment and giving our body

39:25

to any man just for fun , that is the opposite of empowerment

39:27

. And I can tell you there's so many women who

39:29

regret those years of their

39:31

lives that they gave themselves

39:33

to someone else , created another

39:35

human being , killed the

39:37

human being because it didn't fit into

39:40

that lifestyle . But

39:42

you know , the thing that's just

39:45

amazing and beautiful about the Lord is that there

39:47

is redemption for all of us , that

39:50

these things they

39:52

do not define the love

39:54

that God has for us . So

39:57

this is in no way a judgment . If

40:00

you're listening today and you've been down this road

40:02

of abortion . I'm sure that you know how painful

40:05

it was for you , and

40:08

this is not a judgment call

40:10

to you being influenced

40:12

by the world . This is

40:14

a wake-up call for all of us to

40:16

say who are you following and

40:19

why ? And , like you said

40:21

, who really holds the

40:23

power ? Is it you who's

40:25

making these choices , or are you making

40:27

these choices due to the influences

40:30

around you ? It's like when we're kids

40:32

and we play with our neighbor friends and

40:34

there's neighbor kids and some of them are good , and then there's always that

40:37

bad kid , and the bad kid

40:39

always influences us to do something

40:41

that we shouldn't do , whether

40:44

it's jump off our second story

40:46

porch or worse . And

40:48

that's how I think about abortion

40:51

. Is it's just that bad

40:53

kid ? It's that bad influence that

40:55

is influencing you to

40:58

believe something that has

41:00

the most huge

41:02

, ginormous significance

41:04

in life and is not

41:07

something that you can undo . So thank

41:10

you for sharing that perspective . I

41:12

really think that that's an important point

41:15

. To share is is

41:19

it really empowerment ? Share

41:25

is is it really empowerment ? Are you empowered or are you fooled by society and

41:27

being programmed to believe a

41:29

certain way ? And it actually

41:31

goes back to the

41:33

word bodily autonomy is used to

41:35

say like oh well , we make our own decisions . Oh

41:37

well , we make our own decisions , but to what extent ? Because

41:41

it's not

41:43

your body as a woman

41:45

, it's

41:51

not our bodies that we're making a

41:53

decision about , it's the baby's body . Whose bodily autonomy are we talking

41:55

about here ? The baby's bodily autonomy , not

41:58

ours . And anyway , that's

42:01

just something I wanted to add on to that and

42:03

, you know , I'd really love to

42:05

also ask what

42:07

this experience taught you

42:10

about God's design for

42:12

women's bodies and

42:14

about God , if you have something else to share .

42:18

So women are made

42:20

to have babies . Obviously

42:23

it's physically and

42:25

it's in our DNA . You know , we are

42:27

more caring , we're more

42:29

empathic and we were are more nurturing

42:32

than men , and

42:34

I think that is such

42:36

a beautiful thing and I really

42:38

think that that should be celebrated . That

42:41

is such a beautiful thing and I really think that that should be celebrated

42:43

. You know we've

42:47

talked a lot about , like , some evil things you know today , but

42:50

at the end of the day , I think that that is just

42:52

a beautiful thing that God created the

42:55

women being able to reproduce

42:57

and put

42:59

out new life into the world . I

43:02

don't have children of my own , I've never been pregnant , anything

43:04

like that , but I can't even

43:06

. I can't wait to experience that

43:08

because I know it's going to be . Something

43:11

that I've never felt before is bringing a life

43:13

into this world . Um

43:16

, I'm not sure if you follow

43:18

ballerina farm oh , yeah

43:20

, yeah . But how she

43:22

talked about when she felt most empowered

43:25

at like . I think it was like the miss world

43:27

pageant and she said

43:29

I felt it seven times every time I've brought life

43:31

into this world and I'm like that is such

43:34

true empowerment

43:36

. It is empowerment

43:45

.

43:45

It is , and , yeah , I love that . She's a spokesperson for mothers right now . That is a

43:47

beautiful , beautiful thing , and if you don't know who that is , definitely

43:50

check her out on Instagram Ballerina Farms

43:52

or it might be Singular Farm You'll

43:54

find her . She won Mrs

43:58

America and then went to

44:00

Mrs Universe , and she

44:02

is a beacon for mothers

44:04

in support of she's

44:06

a home birther . She births those babies in

44:08

her own bedroom , which

44:11

is I'm a big fan of . That's what I

44:13

do , too , and

44:15

I can't wait for you to experience this one

44:17

day , Lindsay . You're gonna you're just

44:19

gonna be like . This is the most beautiful

44:21

, amazing thing ever . I

44:24

just know it . Is

44:27

there anything else that you would like to pass

44:29

along to listeners , or is there

44:31

anything that we can be praying for ?

44:37

For passing on to listeners . I

44:42

want people to I

44:47

don't want to say question their beliefs , but

44:50

maybe I'll go with that To

44:53

see how genuine they are

44:55

and where they're really coming from

44:58

. And where they're really coming

45:00

from , whether , I guess , on either side

45:02

, whether you're coming from just oh well

45:04

, I hear this through the grapevine , so

45:06

I hear those buzzwords

45:09

and I'm about those buzzwords , so I'm going to believe

45:11

it too , like with

45:13

the feminist

45:17

movement , or on the opposite side of that

45:20

. Coming

45:23

from a place of judgment , like you mentioned before , like judging people who maybe

45:26

have had an abortion or who have

45:28

slept around or whatever

45:30

. Um , not coming from a place

45:32

of judgment ? Um , and challenging . Should

45:34

we really be judging ? Why don't we give them some

45:36

grace ? Yeah , absolutely

45:38

so . I think you know . Challenging

45:40

that , challenging those beliefs and seeing where they actually

45:43

come from and following where they

45:45

are coming from . I think that's something

45:47

I want out there . And then just praying for

45:49

better days . I think we're in a very interesting

45:52

time , which I would

45:55

not think I'd be saying after you know 2020

45:58

and what happened within

46:00

that year , but

46:03

just praying for some

46:05

better days , whatever that

46:07

means .

46:09

Well , the good news is Jesus is our

46:12

Lord and our Savior and we

46:14

know him . So that is a beautiful thing

46:16

, and if you

46:18

don't know him and you're listening , you

46:21

can get to know him at any time . It's all about that

46:23

personal relationship with him . I

46:26

am very much . You know it's not about going to church

46:28

or , you know , following rules

46:31

, certain specific rules . It's about

46:33

a personal relationship with

46:35

Jesus Christ and with God , or

46:37

Yahweh , and he will

46:39

guide . He will guide your path . So

46:41

definitely I want to encourage listeners

46:44

to seek Him in all things

46:46

and seek His guidance and just

46:48

pray , ask for discernment , ask

46:50

Him to guide you and he will

46:53

most certainly . Lindsay , thank

46:55

you so much for being here and

46:57

for sharing your testimony with us

46:59

. Thank you

47:01

so much , rebecca Awesome

47:03

, and

47:10

thank you for tuning in and for being on this journey with us . If you would

47:12

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47:14

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47:16

you can also watch this in video format on YouTube if you aren't already

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, or you can also watch this in video format on YouTube if you aren't

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already . Today we're going to close with Romans 10

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, verse 13, . For

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whoever calls on the name

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of the Lord shall be saved

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. We're

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wishing you a radiant week and

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we'll see you next time . Bye , everyone .