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In this episode I dive into the state of black learners in America and the very troubling trends in their enrollment and completion that undermine our nations economic strength. I talk with two great leaders who are working to improve the how higher education leaders and policymakers value and support black learners and create greater economic value through a great post-secondary experience. Zakiya Ellis Smith is the Principal at EducationCounsel and Michael Sorrell is the President of Paul Quinn College, a private HBCU in Dallas, Texas. Both Zakiya and Michael are tireless advocates for students and their work to improve outcomes for Black Learners is well known. This is an important and engaging conversation with two great higher education thought leaders.