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soothing techniques. Right, okay. You know, but she's really a

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brave baby anyway, so I didn't think I'd have any

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problems. And then like I was looking at one video

2:07

and someone in the comment

2:09

was like, this is barbaric, it's

2:12

just as bad as FGM. Ah.

2:15

And I was like, a reach,

2:18

a little bit. Oh, wow. Yeah, but

2:20

yeah, some people are proper, like proper

2:22

against it. They feel like it's like

2:24

the equivalent of circumcision

2:26

as well. So

2:29

that's bad. Yeah, but yeah, some people are really good,

2:31

so they think it's like mutilation. And

2:34

I don't know that I agree with that. I can't

2:36

like, like, obviously, like, do what you want with your

2:38

own children. But yeah, no, I was always planning on

2:41

pissing their ears early. Like, it was just always going

2:43

to be a thing, innit? But

2:45

they said why, like why? They think

2:47

it's like mutilation of the body. Like,

2:50

that's what they equate it to, mutilation of the body. And

2:53

I'm just like, well, I just think earrings are pretty. I

2:56

don't know. It's just some girls. Oh, yeah, it's just

2:58

some girls. It's never been that deep to me. All

3:00

I call you should let them make their own decisions

3:02

about putting holes in their body. They can just not

3:05

fill it up. But yeah, exactly. But you

3:07

can just, they can close, you know, if

3:09

she decides to never wear earrings again. I never

3:11

really wear earrings. I've had my ears pierced since

3:13

I was three months old. I

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just, I don't wear earrings. I just don't.

3:17

But I don't feel like my mum abused me. Yeah,

3:20

I've got no deep, strong feelings about

3:22

getting the child's ears pierced. Yeah. Circumcised

3:25

in the child. I honestly think those are things

3:27

I'm going to do. Yeah, 100%. I'm definitely, like

3:30

if I have a son one day, I'm definitely

3:32

going to do it. Yeah. And I've never thought,

3:34

I don't know, maybe I make them, I've never

3:36

thought that deeply into either of those things, nor

3:38

do I equate it to mutilation of the body

3:41

in any way, shape or form. And also, like,

3:43

I don't really love how much opinions people have

3:45

on people doing things for their kids. Yeah, it's

3:47

obviously, I've done things for their kids, but I

3:49

want to say to your child. And a

3:52

lot of these, um, critics and a

3:54

lot of these, um, views are often

3:56

people who don't, who negate

3:58

people's culture, who live and they're just

4:00

like, oh no, right and right. This is how we

4:02

think, this is how everyone else should think. It

4:05

was really fascinating article recently.

4:07

And it's always been, I don't, there's

4:10

a thing called Ila in Yoruba. And

4:12

it's just when they like, when you're a baby, they just kind

4:14

of mark your face. It's like they talk of a blade, like

4:16

literally they cut your face, travel mark. And I'm like, I can't

4:18

think of English words. But

4:21

they put travel marks on your face sort of thing.

4:23

And the article is just talking about how it's kind

4:25

of like, it's not really done anymore. And it's the

4:27

culture. And it's really, really fascinating because some

4:30

people feel like it is like mutation and it's called

4:32

to you, whatever. Where some people think it's like a

4:34

form of beauty and it is something you do culturally.

4:37

And the article was so interesting because

4:39

I, yeah, I don't see

4:41

many people who travel marks anymore. I mean, I

4:43

know either, I guess. Yeah. But I

4:45

was just like, yeah, fascinating. Yeah, no, it

4:47

is really, it's really. It was a really

4:49

fascinating thing. And there was this woman on

4:51

it who like, she's got travel marks. And

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she was like, it's never bothered me because I'm pretty. Yeah.

4:56

You know what? Yeah, exactly. Talk

4:58

your shit through it. Yeah. Yeah.

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Yeah. But that is fascinating. Yeah, very fascinating.

5:03

It was funny because when I was looking

5:05

around for places, it was

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just like, I must've come across one like tattoo

5:09

shop. Yeah. So I called them up

5:11

because they did piercings. Yeah. And then- So

5:14

I definitely did babies. Yeah, literally I called them up and

5:16

I rang them up here and then like, literally it was

5:18

like, brr brr brr. Then it was like, come on, life

5:20

is amazing. This is what

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I love this about. And I was like, oh my God.

5:26

He said, no, no, no, no. And

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I was like, you alright? And I was like, yeah. So,

5:31

do you guys be piercing? And he was like,

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yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. We did. I

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was like, oh fantastic. I was like, well, basically- You did piercing on

5:37

babies. He was like, oh no. He was like, we don't even use a gun,

5:39

but he's a needle. I was like, all right, goodbye. And

5:44

then needles. Yeah, I was like, no. I just

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want a good old fashioned gun. Thank you very

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much. Take it to plan. Take it to fucking

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test. Take it

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to fucking test. Also, should

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have expensive earpiece in our music. Should have been

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piece of it. Yeah, they've closed up though. I

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was waiting for someone to know, it's like why

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is it not pissed anymore? So basically I

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took her to get them pierced and

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then she was absolutely fine, she cried because

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of the shock and then she was fine, fine,

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fine. The next day she was like, she

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wasn't really, she was crying a lot so I

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thought it might have been the earring. So

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I took them out and then

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they just closed straight away. But it wasn't

6:24

the earrings. So she's going back.

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But I'm going to give her some time.

6:32

I'm going to give her some time. I'm

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going to wait till she's six months and then take her back

6:36

so that it's just in game. Let her get over the two

6:38

months of her lifetime. Yeah exactly, like it just happened. I will

6:41

be taking her back. How much did you spend on it? Not

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a lot, well, it was

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like £20. Right, what I paid for my ears?

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Six steep crig it cost me. Is it? And

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then I had to buy a real gold earring so my ear wouldn't like...

6:55

No, no, no, no. I thought the reason why

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it might be expensive because they pierced it with

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a fully gold earring because that's probably

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what I paid for. I thought I paid about £90 all together. Oh,

7:04

yeah, it's because of the earring. Yeah,

7:06

and I thought it was still a good old

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kennel or something. Yeah, because, yeah, it's

7:10

the earring. Yeah, because I pierced my second ear, what, last

7:12

year to use that? Mm-hmm.

7:15

But yeah, that was a gun. They didn't hurt that. The

7:18

gun didn't hurt at all. Yeah, no, the gun, yeah.

7:20

It's like a little thingy. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Not compared

7:22

to my fucking nipple pierced knuckles. Yeah, because it feels

7:24

like they do that slowly. Oh, Audrey. It's

7:26

a pain that, even as you just did that,

7:28

I felt it in my... I can feel it

7:31

in my nipple. Yeah, look, I went, they would be tempted to

7:33

do both. Oh. I had to do

7:35

one of them. It's OK. It's OK.

7:38

You've got the other... They don't use a gun. They

7:40

use a needle, don't they? They don't use a straight

7:42

through it. Like,

7:44

just straight, like,

7:46

straight through it. How's the feeling in the nipple? As

7:49

in with the nipple? The sensation. Oh, I

7:52

love it. Yeah, yeah. The only

7:54

thing is at all, like, because I use African sponges,

7:56

I use conchon soup, so sometimes it gets cough and

7:58

you just feel it. It's like,

8:01

that pace. Yeah, I couldn't imagine. I

8:03

didn't imagine. That's not, it is all good. Yeah,

8:05

little piggies and sexiest fucks, man. Yeah, it's all

8:07

good. So all there's a nice little surprise. Sometimes

8:09

I forget it's there. But anyway,

8:12

so you know me, you know how

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I love love. And not

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just in the kind of like, t-shirt

8:19

surface level of it, right? Like one day I genuinely

8:21

wanna go study it. Like I didn't like the

8:23

science of it. I really wanna be

8:25

like a scientific love expert.

8:27

Yeah. You can create that. Like

8:30

become a thing. I don't know if that's the wrong or anything.

8:32

But I genuinely wanna go do some kind of

8:34

master's or, I have to say PMD, but

8:36

that's the one. PhD? What

8:40

does that sound for? It's a

8:42

historical department. I'm like, I'm absolutely in

8:44

the eye. I don't know. That is not what it stands

8:46

for. I feel like doctorate at the end, but I don't

8:49

know what the P and the H stands for. I don't

8:51

know what PhD sounds, but let me say it.

8:53

PhD meaning, PhD

8:55

means doctorate of philosophy. Oh.

8:59

Why didn't I do D? Yeah, why? Yeah.

9:03

Interesting. So that's my philosophy. Anyway, so

9:05

I'm really fascinated by just like the

9:07

master's of it, the science of it.

9:09

I don't think it's such, I don't think it's

9:12

purely such just a, oh, how

9:14

funny, really funny. Anyway, so

9:16

in that, every so often, I was just researching things,

9:18

right? Cause you know me, I love collecting information. You

9:20

sure do. So I was just like researching it, blah,

9:23

blah, blah, blah, and I come across this research recently

9:25

that mentioned, and I was talking about psychopath

9:27

and narcissist. And

9:29

it was saying narcissists and psychopaths are the best at

9:31

feed dating. That they are always

9:33

the most successful. They get the most numbers,

9:35

they get the most feedback from it. That

9:37

they always like, they clean up.

9:40

Like they make a

9:42

killing them actually. And

9:46

it's cause like they wouldn't lie. They wouldn't be here with

9:48

the fuck you want them to be for. Like they wouldn't

9:50

interact. They like, you know, and they're confident. And they do

9:52

blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Anyway, on my

9:55

search of the park of bullshit, it

9:57

got me to wondering, she's a Carrie. I

10:00

just got off going so sorry. It

10:03

got me to wondering, have you ever met

10:05

Gnasty? I don't think I

10:07

have. Do you know what? Because

10:11

the word gets thrown around so loosely now,

10:14

I actually don't think I know

10:17

what the true definition is. Do you know what I mean?

10:20

When I hear the word Gnasty or Gnark

10:23

as some people like to refer to them as, I

10:25

just think of someone that is just really,

10:28

really self-absorbed, loves

10:31

themselves. On the

10:33

more problematic side, someone who is manipulative

10:37

and that's just

10:41

what I think. So I don't

10:43

think I have. I don't think

10:45

I've met a proper one that would be diagnosed

10:47

with it. Because I think people are really quick

10:49

to call their exes, their partner's friends, and they're

10:51

slightly hypnotic and narcissist. And I think as much

10:54

as my exes have not been great, they're just

10:56

assholes. It's a bit of

10:58

a, it's not a nice plan. But I

11:00

don't think I'll flat out be like, that man is a narcissist. Because

11:03

apparently a narcissist is like a personality disorder, it's

11:06

a mental health condition in which people have

11:09

an unreasonable, high sense of their own

11:11

importance. Right, okay. But

11:13

I'm also fascinated in when does it

11:15

become unreasonable? Yeah, like

11:17

when does loving yourself go too fast? I

11:20

mean, I feel like when it trickles down into how you treat other people, because

11:23

I don't think you can ever love yourself

11:25

too much. Like, okay. Yeah,

11:28

I mean, yeah, I don't think you can. I

11:30

think so long as you're not weaponizing it or

11:32

using it to down others

11:36

or using it to your, using others for your own

11:38

advantage and taking advantage of people,

11:40

then yeah, like, I think it's a good thing.

11:42

I think it's a good thing. If

11:45

you're using others for your own advantage and taking

11:47

advantage of people, then yeah, like,

11:49

that's self love in it. But I feel like

11:51

the narcissism side of things is when it does

11:53

spill over into your relationships with other people and

11:55

how you treat them and what you try and

11:57

get out of, get out of said relationship.

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and said individuals. So yeah, that's just like my

12:02

take on it. But have I met one? I don't think

12:04

I have. Not a true one. I

12:07

don't think I have. Because it's not a mental disorder that you have

12:09

to be diagnosed with, right? And I would love a doctor

12:11

to be like, okay, at what point do we

12:13

diagnose a person with a narcissist? Yeah, yeah, yeah. What

12:15

do you have to do? What is it that they've

12:17

done? What are they repeated things that it's like, okay,

12:19

called this person is a narcissist. And apparently once you're

12:21

a narcissist, you can, like, you're always going to be

12:24

a narcissist. Like there is no form

12:26

of that. You can't change. You can't unlearn

12:28

it. You can't set up eyes that you

12:30

can't take a pill for it. Apparently a

12:32

narcissist are like lifelong narcissists. Yeah.

12:35

Well, I guess you, I guess

12:37

once you've identified it, then maybe

12:39

it's manageable as opposed to like fully

12:42

cure it. If it's like something that's innate,

12:44

if it's something that's innate within

12:46

someone, then yeah, I guess you'd never be able to

12:48

do it. But you might, you know, through therapy and

12:50

stuff like that, you might find tools to manage

12:53

it and you know, but that's yeah, that's

12:55

kind of much. I was even listening

12:57

to Paul Banff and then he was saying that like, there

13:00

are no red flags, apart from people who are

13:02

psychopath narcissists. There was two other things, but at

13:04

this dark triad things of people, he's like, apart

13:06

from that, there's no red flags and things. And

13:09

I thought, I don't know if I believe that. I don't get it. Like, do you know

13:12

how that's a red flag? That's a red flag.

13:14

Apparently the only red flags, the narcissist, psychopaths, Those

13:16

are pretty big flags. Those are more than flags. Those

13:18

are big banners. Two other things, I can't remember what

13:21

the other two were, but I was like, everything else is

13:23

not a red flag. It's just something that can be worked

13:25

on. So I can be like, we're talking about something that

13:27

can be dealt with, but it's not a red flag. It'll

13:29

be interesting to know what the other two are. People, because

13:31

we do find the time around. So I would

13:33

love to meet someone that's been diagnosed with it.

13:35

When I said them, I would, yeah, I would

13:37

love to meet someone that's like self self diagnosed.

13:39

No, as an adult who said you are a

13:42

narcissist. What do you do? What are you like?

13:44

Like, yeah, I will be, I

13:46

don't want to be post friends with you. Yeah. I

13:48

don't know. I don't know. I

13:51

was going to say, I've done it in one who I would diagnose

13:54

as a narcissist. I

13:57

don't think I do. I don't think I do. I don't think

13:59

I do not. No, not to that

14:01

point. Not to the point that I think it's a gate.

14:03

I think some of it's like they know how other people

14:05

feel. And sometimes they go, sometimes they don't. I

14:07

imagine us, it just doesn't give a fuck. Yeah, yeah.

14:09

It's just me and me only, other vibes. Yeah.

14:13

Yeah. I don't think I've ever met one, but I'll

14:15

first say about the fact that how much they clean

14:17

up when it comes to dating. But I can imagine

14:19

us this shows you the greatest of times initially because

14:21

it empowers them and makes them feel good. It makes

14:24

them be like, yeah, I'm the man and the woman.

14:26

Interestingly, I barely hear women being described as masters.

14:28

What do you think? I've never heard a woman

14:31

being described as a master. As in from a

14:33

man. As in from a man. From anyone. From

14:35

anyone. Have you? No, I feel like I have,

14:38

you know. Really? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I've never heard

14:40

a woman describe this. I feel like I have

14:42

heard of women, like people. But again, it's that thing

14:44

of... Is it just women that like to look good?

14:47

It's that thing of throwing the time around loosely. Do you

14:49

know what I mean? But I've

14:51

definitely heard of women being described

14:53

that way. Yeah, definitely. Yeah,

14:55

yeah, yeah, definitely. Hmm. Yeah,

14:58

I've actually never heard it. And I'm trying to think of what

15:01

qualities those people possess. Yeah,

15:04

it's just people that are very

15:06

like self-obsessed, vain. But

15:09

to the point of like, you have no

15:11

consideration. Like, you're so engrossed with your

15:13

own self and your own life. And

15:16

I think sometimes it's like beyond looks as

15:18

well. It's just like your self-importance is more

15:20

important than anyone else's. I don't know what

15:22

the description says. So it's like being completely

15:25

consumed in their world, their problem. They come

15:27

first, not giving a fuck about what's going

15:29

on around them. But it's had no other advice

15:31

here, sort of. Yeah. Like for years, we've gone like,

15:33

we're going to... I want to talk about this later.

15:35

But there was a bit... There's one thing about us,

15:37

I'm going to tell you about documentary. There's

15:40

a documentary in Netflix called The Greatest Night in Pop. And

15:43

we'll talk about it more later. But when I was watching it,

15:45

my thing was like, oh, we used to be a country.

15:47

Like, we used to be a country. We

15:51

used to be a world. We used to be a world

15:53

where there was some huge, like,

15:56

something going on in part of the

15:58

world and people gathered together. and

16:00

raise money, raise funds and go help it.

16:02

They used to be, they used to be

16:04

genocide or they used to be wars and would all

16:06

be like, alliance people were like, this is wrong. Like

16:08

this shouldn't be happening. Let's stop this. There was no

16:11

like, oh, but the alternative, we used to be a

16:13

world. We used to be a world. We used to

16:15

be a world. And in fact

16:18

then we were brought up to be like, we

16:20

are the world that we are all one people.

16:22

We will have to consider each other. And I

16:24

think the narrative of how we navigate life slowly

16:26

changed. So right now it's like, you

16:28

and only you matter. Yeah, I do think there

16:30

has been a turning point of that. And I think it's come

16:33

along with the mental health. Yeah. With

16:36

advising discussions about mental health.

16:38

And I think that people have conflated that with,

16:42

yeah, of course, like, put

16:44

yourself first and think about, you know, yourself and

16:46

your mental health. But I do think along the

16:49

way, that kind of idea

16:51

of me, me, me has been conflated with, with

16:55

the mental health movement. Just not being their people. Exactly. And

16:57

it's that we had a conversation a little while ago as well

17:00

when it was like, if my friend's going through something, I'm not

17:02

going to be like, actually, I'm going to

17:04

catch. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, that's bad

17:06

friendship. That's not a real, that's not,

17:09

that doesn't feel real to me. Like, I can't even

17:11

imagine that. I don't know. Maybe it's just our

17:13

friendship stuff. I just can't imagine anybody

17:16

being like, not

17:18

right now. Not right. Everyone's

17:22

fucking having a laugh. Yeah. I can't

17:24

imagine that. Oh, my friend just keeps dumping everything on me. Yeah.

17:28

I don't know. Like, we do

17:30

hear that though, because we get dilemmas

17:32

like that. Yeah, we do. But I 100%

17:34

think it's to do with the mental health thing.

17:36

I think people, there's like with everything, there's always

17:38

people that take things the wrong way,

17:41

or they take it to the extreme. And

17:43

yeah, men's like with the mental health movement,

17:45

we do want to pyrometise that and, you

17:47

know, put yourself first. But

17:49

not, I don't think it needs to be at

17:51

the expense of our friendships and, you know, being

17:53

a community in the village. Like, I don't think it

17:56

needs to be either or. I don't know if there's

17:58

a time ending, but hey, once I start studying. I'll

18:00

find out. But I think there is a

18:02

massive link to this huge fixation of self-love

18:04

and self and self and only your importance

18:06

and the rise of people that we call

18:08

narcissists. Yeah, 100%. You taught

18:10

them this. You taught them that only them matters. You

18:12

taught them that only their feelings matter. You taught them

18:14

that everything revolves around them. You taught them that there's

18:17

no lack of community. You taught them that like, hey,

18:19

if it's not good for you, just don't do it.

18:21

It doesn't matter what the community thinks. Why would they

18:23

not be fucking narcissists? That's what I'm saying. I do

18:25

think there's like a subsection of people that hold

18:28

onto certain things and take it the wrong way.

18:30

Like with anything, it depends on who gets

18:33

their hands on it. And I do think that

18:36

when we're having these conversations about that, those people that

18:38

are going to take it to the extreme and be like,

18:41

well, that means that, yeah, fuck off if my friend's

18:43

having a problem. Well, I come first and I'm not

18:45

going to allow you to dump on

18:47

me. And all of those kinds of like talking points that people

18:49

have, I think it's the people that they've

18:51

conflated it. They've gotten it wrong. There is

18:53

a world where you can put your mental health

18:55

first and be very aware of it and be very

18:58

conscious, but not be an asshole or do all of

19:00

that stuff with your mental health and still be a

19:02

village and still be there for people. But yeah, some

19:04

people just go to the left. I

19:06

see that. I'll be like, oh yeah, my friend

19:08

is just always coming to me with problems.

19:11

I'm just like, what's the point of being

19:13

a friend? What's the point then? Also

19:15

with fucking TikTok, someone will say, oh,

19:18

they got assaulted. They'll

19:20

be like, story time. No,

19:23

but that's really foul when people do that.

19:25

That is not, I'm sorry, that's narcissism. Because

19:27

they should have never given us the most. That's

19:31

the most tricky thing in their life.

19:33

You said story time. Yeah. I might,

19:36

I might joke to you. Or when

19:38

people don't even, it's not even the

19:40

same story. So sometimes they'll use like a

19:43

really triggering, moving situation

19:45

or whatever, and they'll stitch it with,

19:47

actually, but I want to talk about this. Like,

19:50

click, I'm sorry, that's low down and dirty. But

19:53

I'm like, it's not everyday shit. So

19:55

cheaply, strangers, people don't need to know

19:57

this most traumatic thing that's happened to

19:59

you. I think in years to come people are going

20:01

to watch things and be in deep with Greta and

20:07

how much they're going to be shared. They're going to be deep.

20:09

I still feel it about old episodes. Like fuck

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20:13

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about old episodes. Every so often I sit in my house and I think about

21:16

things with looking like an old episode. And I'm like,

21:18

I think I took quite my point. You

21:20

know what? Sometimes I think about it. You

21:23

know what? Sometimes I think that. I

21:25

think, oh my god, someone's gonna. They're

21:28

gonna bring it up and they're gonna try and use

21:30

it for like, counsellors or whatever. But with no context.

21:32

Because of the fact that that was 20. One

21:35

time. And they think this feels a fucking idiot. Yeah, yeah,

21:37

yeah. I didn't think I'd fixate my thoughts enough. And

21:39

it actually keeps me up at night to be like, actually

21:41

this is what I mean. And I want to say

21:43

that because I want to bring up a topic that we spoke about a

21:45

couple of months ago now. And

21:48

it was a couple of past book boys. Past book boys.

21:51

And you know, and it was like, no, they're

21:53

wrong. They're disgusting. And they're fat. They're not thinking

21:55

about past book boys. I'm

21:58

like. thought,

22:01

hey, actually, you guys

22:03

are still wrong. I believe I'm still right. Let me tell

22:05

you why. What was your taste? What are

22:08

they doing wrong? But I didn't

22:10

have the Oh, my brain wasn't working out there. I went

22:13

to say, okay, so in

22:15

America, right? Women date up, right? They want to date up.

22:17

They want to say that we talk about how to have

22:20

a program. And you believe in it. Yeah, you should want

22:22

to date up. You have you have had your right to have

22:24

this desire, blah, blah, blah, blah. If those men in

22:26

America, in England, wherever they are, that's

22:29

not their playing field. They're poor, they're not they're

22:31

not seen as much. They're not seen as

22:33

attractive. They don't see as anything that they can give

22:35

women in that country. Why can't they go to another

22:37

country where the woman thinks they're loaded? They're seen as

22:39

attractive and they can offer them something and they can

22:41

play in the game. And I know there is I

22:44

know people take things to fun and make it and

22:46

they take advantage of blah, blah, blah. But if what

22:48

I have, oh, God,

22:51

my head is getting hot. She's having fun. I

22:55

can't believe I'm having fun. Like,

22:58

if I get you by your way, and

23:00

my CV in this job doesn't match up,

23:03

would I take my CV somewhere else? Yeah. So

23:06

if my skills in America are poor

23:09

and fat and ugly and broke, I

23:11

can't afford your shit. In Colombia, in

23:14

Ghana, in Nigeria, I'm

23:16

earning in the US. I could offer you

23:19

a passport. And also, why are we not

23:24

seeing these women also dating up? We're

23:27

seeing them being used taking advantage of, but are they

23:29

also not just dating up? No, do

23:31

you know what it is? Because what you're saying in

23:33

essence, in essence, the idea of passport is not wrong.

23:35

Do you know what I mean? Because we say it

23:37

to women, like even now we're saying to women, if

23:39

you can't find your part of the

23:41

game, go elsewhere. And I know

23:44

quite a few women actually that have found

23:46

partners in other parts of the world, like

23:48

black women that always fall down

23:50

that they would date black men only. And

23:52

they're finding people in all parts of the world,

23:54

you know, North Africa, you know, Asia, whatever. People

23:57

are leaving this thing. People are leaving this fight. I'm

24:00

in love. No need, no need. The

24:02

past was his, yeah. What's wrong with that? And

24:05

inherently there's nothing wrong with it. Yeah. The

24:07

issue with passport, bros, is first of all,

24:10

the way in which they're speaking about the women. That's

24:12

what I have the issue with. And the

24:14

fact that they were making it known that

24:18

they want to date down because these

24:20

women, they

24:22

lack the awareness to make certain decisions. And

24:27

they were like mansplaining. And they were ultimately

24:29

saying on camera that they're going to certain parts

24:31

of the world to take advantage of women. I feel

24:33

like that's where it becomes, because of the power, of

24:36

course the power dynamic would mean that. In

24:39

essence the power dynamic would mean that

24:41

that is what's happening. But they were

24:43

saying it on camera in really smarmy,

24:45

misogynistic ways that personally make me feel

24:47

uncomfortable. If the conversation was to know

24:49

what, exactly what women are saying,

24:52

I've tried. I've tried. I can't find anybody

24:54

that loves me for me. My fact in this

24:56

country doesn't match. I can't offer the women in

24:59

this country what they want. I've tried. I've

25:01

dated from all different pools. And when

25:03

I went to Brazil, when I went to

25:05

Ghana, wherever, I found that women gravitated towards

25:08

me. I wouldn't actually have a problem with

25:10

that. But it's the things that they're saying

25:12

alongside it and how they're sexualizing these women

25:14

and how they're shaming them and how they're

25:16

filming them and embarrassing them. It's

25:19

all the trinkets that come with it that make

25:21

it problematic. But going elsewhere

25:23

in the world to find love, which is essentially what

25:25

it is, there's nothing wrong with that. Because I haven't

25:27

seen the show. Let me clarify that. I have

25:29

not seen the show. I just hear people calling

25:32

every man who's realized that my stats don't work. They're going

25:34

to live a country, a passport boy. And the thing is,

25:36

they're probably not. I'm sure in every movement. I want

25:38

to find love in this country. I'm not enough. Exactly.

25:40

In every movement, there's good and bad. And

25:42

unfortunately, there's shitty people who always get the

25:44

platform. But this is different because they platform

25:46

themselves. No one asked them. If

25:48

you were going to date internationally and do whatever

25:51

and you're managing a business call, it's

25:53

when you come on TikTok and you

25:55

see these women, they look visibly uncomfortable.

25:57

And they're making these highly inappropriate sexual

25:59

jokes. folks talking about their penis

26:01

sizes and like, you know, making these

26:04

women feel like, I don't know, just

26:06

they're doing the most mid thing and

26:08

expecting like them to worship. Like it's

26:10

all it's really, really weird. But it's

26:12

a mid view. Yes,

26:16

however, I'm not trying to project my standards,

26:19

but it's for me, it's the more the

26:21

way they're presenting it. Like that's just what

26:23

gives me the ick and makes me feel very uncomfortable.

26:25

Maybe if I watch the videos, I feel it right. I

26:28

just think someone's stats doesn't work in a certain country.

26:31

If it's not my playing field, let me go outside and play anyway.

26:33

Yeah, because you can say the same thing about, and I'm

26:35

not trying to liken people to jobs, but like jobs,

26:37

isn't it? Like literally you could go elsewhere and have

26:39

the career of your dreams that you maybe you've been

26:42

trying to do it here for years and it hasn't

26:44

worked out for you. But yeah, it's

26:46

that angle. But inherently, it's not wrong. It's

26:48

not wrong. Like it's actually quite proactive.

26:50

I don't know. I mean, it's quite proactive.

26:52

Yeah, it's not matching up

26:54

with this UK thing. Also, the places they

26:56

target, they know that women are, I

27:00

don't know what the word is, victimized

27:08

or they're in lower class. So

27:10

they're, because they're not going to

27:12

places where women are equal as

27:14

well. Yeah. So I feel like

27:16

that in itself is a little bit problematic. That's,

27:19

yeah, that's that's for me. I'm also kind of

27:21

thinking about a seemingly these women are idiots and

27:23

they're just like what managed to come and swooping

27:25

their feet away. No, because some of them be

27:27

playing the game and they also have their agendas.

27:29

And I think that maybe, maybe it's a good, it's

27:32

a good match. Do you know what I mean? And maybe

27:34

in their, maybe in their

27:36

world, they're sitting there laughing amongst their friends. Do

27:38

you know what I mean? Exactly. And

27:41

I watched something on that. It

27:44

wasn't necessarily called, it wasn't called passport, but

27:46

it was about that sort of thing where I think

27:49

this guy was, he was from America and

27:51

he'd gone to the Dominican Republic.

27:55

And he's been talking to this woman online for

27:57

ages. And then when he went

27:59

there, he went there. with the mentality of like, well, she

28:01

hasn't got any standards, she hasn't got any expectations. But

28:04

she had her agenda with him. So

28:06

by the time they met up and they collided,

28:08

it was a massive clash because she thought she

28:10

was going to get taken to the Four Seasons.

28:12

He was staying in some dingy motel room someplace.

28:15

She can't come in still before, man. Exactly. And

28:18

she thought he was coming with a bag and he was

28:20

going to whisk him off her feet and he thought he

28:22

was going there to be worshipped. So when they met, all

28:24

they did was argue. And then they realized they

28:26

had nothing in common. So it's not

28:29

always a seamless thing. But

28:31

yeah, that's a bit different. But the passport, very specifically,

28:33

the reason people don't fuck with them is because of

28:35

the way they speak about women. And they also denigrate

28:37

women from the Western world. And it's just like, bro,

28:40

if you haven't been successful in love, please go and

28:42

do what you need to do to find that. While

28:44

you're shitting on us saying that we're too independent, we're

28:46

too this, like we're not willing to be, we're not

28:48

willing to submit and all of these things. And it's

28:50

just like, hmm, I don't know. No

28:53

one's going to have this conversation. I'm not going to have it

28:55

either. We're

28:58

too close to the sun and it's hyper-independent. What do you mean?

29:01

There's something dangerous about it. It's okay. It's

29:04

okay. I don't have the... Okay, okay. Get your

29:06

thoughts on this one another time. I just

29:08

remember I'm someone who's very independent. But

29:10

I'm not like... Yeah. But

29:12

I don't have the sense of not here. Yeah,

29:14

here. You haven't... Yeah, I

29:16

need to think if I think we're too close to the sun with

29:18

it, man. I think we've... Yeah. I

29:21

think there's a difference. And I know you don't want to lament on it and

29:23

elaborate and we will talk about it another day. But

29:26

I do think there's a

29:28

difference between hyper-ind... Like,

29:32

yeah, I don't... Yeah, hyper-independence is definitely

29:35

a thing, but I'm also not here for submission.

29:37

No, no, it's not submission things. Do you

29:39

know how when... There's a episode that came out in

29:41

Valentine's Day and I was like... Because I feel this

29:43

deep now. I want to be chatting shit. I'm always

29:46

embarrassed by my wants for romantic love.

29:48

It's like, that's such a cliché. You've got so many

29:50

things in your life. And there are many other things that

29:52

you don't have. I don't have a bathtub yet. And

29:55

I don't sit home thinking, God! God, what is

29:57

that? That's a good account. But often I think about

29:59

it. with a romantic partner. I

30:01

did. So it's

30:03

like, why I've sat

30:05

down and thought, why does this feel so uncomfortable? Why am I

30:08

so embarrassed by this one for it? And I think it's because

30:10

I've ridden so close to this idea that I don't even want

30:12

to get in when I'm good, that I'm forgetting that innately, we

30:14

all want a companionship. That's exactly what I was going to say.

30:16

What we've convinced ourselves that we

30:18

don't need it. We don't need it. Yeah. And I think, and do

30:20

you know what, I think it's kind of similar to the idea

30:22

of monogamy. I think that there are some

30:25

people that can actually exist

30:28

solo and they never need that

30:30

one true love or that

30:33

romantic love. And they will be just fine

30:35

and they will sincerely, genuinely be happy. And

30:37

there are some people that crave that innate

30:39

feeling of the companionship. I think it's exactly

30:41

the same thing. And I think the reason

30:43

why it's different to the BAFTA thing is

30:46

because maybe for you, it is an innate

30:48

desire that you want. Because

30:50

I do think that at the same time, we have

30:52

kind of like romanticized the idea of like being alone.

30:55

And I love that for the people

30:57

that that can apply to, but I do think that

30:59

like, not everybody can be that way. I don't think.

31:02

I don't think that we don't

31:04

need anyone. Yeah. I don't need anyone. Yeah.

31:07

I think people are finding community and especially

31:10

women are finding community amongst other women

31:12

amongst their friends, amongst their family. And

31:14

they've kind of said to themselves, like,

31:16

I don't need that side. Like, so you're

31:18

not completely alone. But I can't speak to

31:21

romantic life. I can't say whether it's like

31:24

companionship in that sense. Because you can have like

31:27

a long term friend that you live with. Do

31:29

you know what I mean? And like, you won't be

31:31

lonely in that sense. But romantic,

31:33

I don't know. I don't know if that's an

31:35

innate desire for us to be partnered. Like that

31:37

one I can't speak to. Do you think it's

31:39

an innate desire for you? Yeah, it is. It's an

31:42

innate desire for me. It's definitely for me. And I

31:44

think many of us who feel like it's an innate

31:46

desire for us will deny it because it sounds kicky.

31:48

Yeah, yeah, yeah. It sounds like, oh, you're just a

31:50

little girl who just wants love. I think denying

31:53

yourself a bit in this idea to

31:55

prove that it's okay. Because obviously, like

31:57

you're gonna have to make whatever you're going through okay. Yeah.

32:00

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Like, Hey, this is a this is

32:02

a life I have at the moment. It's going

32:04

to be OK. But I just, yeah,

32:06

I'll think about it some more. Yeah.

32:09

It's definitely something to think about. So answer your

32:11

question. Me definitely. Yeah. And

32:13

therefore, knowing that about myself, why am I embarrassed that

32:15

I want it? Why am I being

32:17

like, and I just be happy because the pendulum,

32:20

I always talk about this pendulum, everything I just

32:22

for like it goes in such extremes, because

32:24

now the conversation about like

32:26

creating village among other

32:29

women, among like the

32:31

kind of like the downplaying of romantic relationships

32:33

and almost kind of snide like sneering

32:36

at people that want it. It's gone so far

32:38

for others. But it's almost like it's like you're

32:40

shamed. Yeah. Say it kind of thing.

32:42

Whereas actually, no, like both can exist. There can

32:44

be people that want it. You shouldn't be shamed

32:47

for that. And there can be people that don't

32:49

need it so much. And they shouldn't be shamed

32:51

either. It's like the thing about motherhood as well.

32:53

It's really annoying like this whole child

32:55

free versus childless conversation

32:58

that people have. And it's like,

33:01

I love that that conversation is now

33:03

coming to the forefront because not every

33:05

woman is maternal. Not every woman should

33:07

or wants to have children. Like every woman that says she

33:09

doesn't want kids, you should let her not have kids. And I

33:11

think that that should be completely

33:13

normal. It shouldn't be a thing where like someone

33:15

says they don't want kids. Oh, you change your

33:17

mind. Yeah. You have your answers. That woman has

33:20

she said what she said and

33:22

you accept it and you keep it moving. But

33:24

now there is kind of like a

33:26

wave of like people don't say things

33:28

without bringing the other side into it because

33:31

people are having those conversations and kind of shaming mum.

33:33

And I see all the time on Twitter where people

33:35

are like, how

33:37

do you guys feel about the fact that you've got to go pick up

33:39

your kids and I can have a lay in like you still

33:41

I see things like that a lot. And I'm just like, for

33:44

the most part, people that have had children, they

33:46

probably wanted to like, you know, I know like,

33:48

yeah, I know parents complain a lot and stuff like

33:51

that. And trust me, there's a lot to complain about.

33:53

But it doesn't need to be. I find it

33:56

interesting about people who are in relationships as well.

33:58

I think some people, some people in

34:00

relationships and they counted down to them being special.

34:04

You're not. I think it's almost insane

34:06

to not accept that love is a

34:08

game of luck. You can't shame other

34:11

people because you happen to be lucky

34:13

in it. Exactly. It's not because you're

34:15

better than a person who doesn't have

34:17

it. People with bad characters, I

34:19

found the love of their life. Murderous.

34:22

Nasty people. Horrible, sick, people

34:26

are in a relationship. Ultimately, anybody can be in

34:28

a relationship, but if it's not the kind of

34:33

relationship you want,

34:35

then it's not the flex that you think it is on.

34:37

It really, really isn't. Literally, anybody.

34:40

Tomorrow, if you decided to want to

34:42

be in a relationship, you could. I

34:44

wonder, is everyone going to be brave enough to sit down

34:47

with men who have the desire for companions and

34:50

say to them, you can want it.

34:53

You can say out loud that you want it. It's

34:55

okay that you want it.

34:57

It's okay that you've got everything. You

34:59

bought yourself a house. You've done it. You're not fulfilled.

35:02

You can admit that. Maybe it's

35:04

me. Maybe it is you. Maybe

35:06

it is you because it absolutely is.

35:08

I don't know when we became, like

35:10

you always say, we used to be

35:12

a country. We

35:15

used to be a world. Everyone has to

35:17

be so cool that now you can't even

35:19

admit that you want love. Like, damn, you're

35:21

too cool for love. Don't be too cool,

35:23

bro. I want that chick here, but not

35:25

for me. Exactly.

35:28

I want someone that's embarrassed to tell their boys

35:30

what they do to it. Exactly.

35:33

You say, keep that shit for themselves. It's

35:36

a boy who's cool. You mustn't be you. You're a bum. No.

35:41

Because that's how I feel. Nobody

35:43

can see the sex that I think is right. Yeah.

35:47

Stand up. But you know who does

35:49

stand up when it comes to their man? Monique. I've

35:55

never met a woman so many times.

35:57

And do you know what? I'm a daddy. I

36:00

mean, women calling their... It's a bit much.

36:02

I can't answer. Like... I

36:04

mean, it's not... I mean, whatever. The thing is,

36:07

I don't... OK. In

36:09

the bedroom, cool. Really? I kind of see

36:11

it. Really? It's

36:14

not a bit of me, but in the bedroom,

36:16

I get it. But she refers to him

36:18

like that on a normal Wednesday. Who started...?

36:20

No, no, sorry. What

36:25

is the beginning of women... Because I know

36:27

it's not interested. Why did

36:29

women first start calling men daddies? Like, who

36:31

started that? What is the origin of women

36:33

calling men daddies? Because daddy has always been

36:36

my father. It's been fathers, right? So, yeah.

36:38

So, it's become a thing that is now...

36:40

Who sexualized it? Who? That's

36:42

the word. Who sexualized the word daddy? Who? Who?

36:46

Who? And why? How

36:48

did it come about? Was it deeply hidden? Maybe

36:50

I think it's a deeply hidden. But you know, like, do we have like a...?

36:52

Because anybody's calling me mummy. Do we have an African version? We've

36:55

got papa. Papa. I don't think

36:58

that's sexual. I think it is. It's not it. I'm

37:00

trying to think if we have something in... Yeah, anyway. No. But

37:03

yeah, that woman loves her daddy. She loves

37:05

her man. Like, she... Like, she... In interviews,

37:07

because they do... And it's so funny, it's not funny, but

37:09

D.L. Heagley refers to... Like, he was like, oh, you and

37:12

your daddy get up and do these greasy videos. And it

37:14

made me really happy. And I'm like, oh, I'm sorry. I'm

37:16

sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry.

37:19

I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm

37:21

sorry. I'm sorry. I'm

37:23

sorry. I am sorry. I'm sorry.

37:26

I'm sorry. But I'm sorry. I'm

37:29

sorry. I'm sorry. But I'm sorry. I'm

37:31

sorry. I'm sorry. I'm

37:33

sorry. But you don't have any videos. But

37:36

tell them to list up. People don't know Manique. So

37:38

Manique is an actress and comedian. She's a black actress

37:40

and comedian and she's done loads of stuff. She's

37:43

been in The Parkers. She

37:45

was in Muisha. She played Mary in Precious. She's done

37:47

loads of like, respectfully, like straight DVD movies. That

37:51

wasn't even shared, like it's true. I'm not

37:53

sure. It's just like my paper

37:55

films. Like shit. Fat girls. I

37:57

feel like I'm sad a bit but I haven't seen it. That's

37:59

what fat girls. She worked, is it in the pile?

38:03

No, it's not as in pH. Oh my

38:05

God! I don't know, why is that so

38:07

funny?! Oh my

38:09

God! I don't

38:12

know, why is that so

38:14

funny?! Oh my God! Oh

38:17

my God! I don't

38:20

know what ever. It's so

38:22

funny, please.

38:25

Sorry, I don't know why that is so funny, please. Sorry,

38:35

I don't know why I'm laughing so hard. I can't get it

38:37

together. Oh my God, why

38:39

is that so funny? Okay. Back

38:42

to pH. It

38:44

is my next main

38:46

character, and she works

38:48

in department school, right? But

38:52

there's never anything they can wear because... I'm

38:57

so laughing at the pH! I think it's on this

38:59

side. Oh my God! And there's nothing they can wear

39:01

because it's like the department school only does that for a

39:03

certain time. So she's going

39:05

to be a fashion designer and creates a fat

39:07

girl. Oh okay. Oh my God, it's a fat

39:09

girl. Oh okay. And then she

39:11

falls in love at some point in it. Oh yeah, yeah.

39:13

It's such a massive man. Oh my God, it's such

39:16

a massive man. It's such a massive

39:18

man. That sounds like strange to me. What even did

39:20

you do? I watched it so many times. I'm really

39:22

worried. I'm so curious. I'm pretty sure it's on Disney.

39:24

Oh my God. Also seen on Fat Girls. On Fat

39:26

Girls. I think she's in Snakes and the Break. She's

39:28

in loads of black, your favorite black films and stuff.

39:31

Always Christmas on the front. So

39:33

lately she had won an Oscar for her role in Precious, and lately she's been

39:35

fighting the

39:40

good fight. We've talked about it in previous

39:42

episodes, but she's been fighting the good

39:44

fight for black

39:47

women to get equal pay in Hollywood. And

39:50

recently she, and her husband

39:52

is her manager, and he comes everywhere

39:54

with her. Yeah. Like everywhere. Like

39:57

every interview she does, he's there. He's by her side.

39:59

And she's like, But it is, I

40:01

do invite it, and something that she said recently, because

40:03

she did the club chaise interview, and that's just gone

40:05

viral, and she was out in everybody, she was

40:07

still talking about Tyler Perry and Oprah Winfrey, like

40:09

she's really got it in for them people, like

40:11

she's fighting the good fight. And she

40:14

talked about it, and she said that, you

40:16

know, it's a sad day when people, you

40:18

know what I just thought, Tyler Perry's out

40:20

there giving, having Megan money,

40:22

but it's not, do you know, that

40:25

is a fucking good point.

40:29

He's not giving her that money. He

40:31

can't now. He can't because if

40:33

he gives it to her now, it's going to vindicate her. And

40:36

it's also owed money by proxy. It's not

40:38

like, yeah, yeah, yeah. You know what

40:40

I mean? It's by like, oh, because you said

40:42

this, you should, yeah, yeah. Not because, not factual,

40:44

anything factual. Yeah, exactly, exactly. Yeah, so

40:46

she's been fighting the good fight, and she recently talked

40:48

about it in the club, and she said, you know,

40:50

it's not going to be a good fight. It's not

40:52

going to be a good fight. It's not going to

40:55

be a good fight. It's not going to be a good fight. And

40:57

then she talked about it in the club show,

40:59

she interviewed her husband, and she was like, you

41:01

know, she gets flogged a lot, because it's really

41:03

like, divided. Some people feel like her

41:06

husband is a big part of the

41:08

reason why she keeps on running into these issues. And

41:10

they just feel like, no, he is your main

41:13

hater, like he is your main problem. And then,

41:15

but she's very defensive of her relationship. I suppose she

41:17

would be, she's been married for a really long time.

41:19

And she's just like, no, he stands by me, like

41:21

that's my daddy kind of thing. Like, it's

41:24

a dark day when everybody can't

41:27

just be happy for the fact that there's like, this is black

41:29

love and this is like strong black love. She made a very valid

41:31

point. She did make very, very valid points.

41:33

But she's also made a comment on the

41:35

same interview that he raised her. And

41:39

there's a lot of that language going around lately. I had

41:41

my mad lady mad when I was going. Yeah, it's giving

41:43

that, it's like, being

41:45

raised by your husband, like your husband being

41:47

your daddy, like, I don't want

41:49

to live in a world where we can flake the two.

41:51

Like, your husband is your husband. And

41:54

I know it's not literally, but it's really

41:56

weird. I don't like

41:58

us sexualizing the father daughter. relationship. Like we meet,

42:00

it's just weird. Like I just, I don't want to put

42:02

them in the same room. The whole raised thing, I

42:04

think my understanding of it

42:06

when she said it was that, like I

42:08

think there is, because she's like, was saying

42:10

how she did my three times already. She

42:13

was very like, I'm independent. I've got money. I'm

42:15

happy with it. She said she was a ho for

42:18

a bit as well. Yeah, so she was a

42:20

friendly pussy. She said friendly. She said she had

42:22

a friendly pussy. So I thought the raised thing

42:24

as the like, I

42:27

think there was something in being in a good relationship

42:29

and being with someone who kind of teaches you things

42:31

about yourself. So maybe the word

42:33

is not raised, right? Not just like

42:35

it's more like together we became, I

42:37

became a bit of version of me.

42:39

I don't know. Like I don't know

42:41

if it's like, because I can say

42:43

being around you, you raised me. I

42:46

can, do you know what I mean? I can say being around

42:48

certain people in my life that I feel like they have brought

42:51

a better side of me. And it's not, I don't

42:53

mean raised as if to say that you're taking a

42:55

job that my mum didn't do because my mum raised

42:57

me amazingly. But there's also being in your life being

43:00

around you that you, you brought a different version of

43:02

me. You made me see that in a different way

43:04

that is also being raised. I

43:06

don't think you ever stop growing, ever stop

43:08

learning. Yeah, definitely. I think that's what it is. I don't

43:10

want to take it to be like, I mean, I

43:13

don't believe anybody should be calling their husband's daddy. I

43:15

genuinely called my father, daddy.

43:19

Same. There's something, there's

43:21

something very like obedient about

43:24

that as well. Do you know what I

43:26

mean? Yeah, I just don't know why a guy

43:28

would like to be called. Yeah, I

43:30

don't, I don't get it. Like in all

43:32

honesty, I honestly don't get it. I'm not

43:34

really here for people's partners being their manager, unless the

43:36

back person knows what the fuck it is that they're

43:38

doing. Yeah. Yeah, I agree with that. I feel like,

43:42

okay, you want to bring your people in, but your

43:44

boy from down the road, he can't just be head

43:46

of security. They have to know what they're doing. He's

43:48

just a couple of people. It doesn't mean that he's

43:50

got what it takes to be security. Your boy that

43:52

made a phone call for you one time doesn't mean

43:54

he's going to be your PR like hire people that

43:56

I don't know what Monique's husband's qualifications are in that

43:59

field. I don't know. who managed before from what

44:01

she said in the interview. They were friends and she

44:03

never mentioned him. Who are your

44:05

other clients? And I was hoping about other

44:07

clients, but even if he's gonna be your manager,

44:09

right? Elise has an agent somewhere else, a PR

44:11

somewhere else, but Monique's pilot feels that he's doing

44:14

everything. And I'm not convinced by that world until

44:16

I see men start letting women be there, everything,

44:18

I don't see a successful man. I start, yeah, my

44:20

woman's my manager friend. No, never. You are

44:22

the wife for the most part, which is completely fair,

44:24

and the professionals do what they need to do, not

44:26

that they don't have women on their team, but the

44:29

wife, I can't think of an example.

44:31

The only thing I know for sure, I think Michelle manages

44:33

Marvin. Do you not? Oh,

44:36

does she? I didn't know that. I'm pretty sure for sure.

44:38

Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm pretty sure they announced it recently. But

44:40

I feel like if the person knows what you're doing and

44:42

they have your best interest at heart, sure,

44:44

whatever. I'm just not necessarily always convinced

44:46

by it, and by interviews, it doesn't always

44:48

seem like he knows

44:50

what he's doing fully, but I

44:53

like Monique. It makes me very personal. I

44:55

do, I like Monique. I like that

44:57

she's a true setting. that

44:59

I thought was fucking brilliant. Obviously

45:02

the whole thing with Tawashi, Tawashi being coming

45:04

out, being like, hey, we're not getting treated fairly. This

45:07

happened in kind of purple. Which I probably believe all

45:09

of that. Y'all, the day

45:11

the big Oprah exposure comes

45:14

up, fam. I

45:16

mean, I have my thoughts on how, but I can't get

45:19

into it because- They didn't double dare me to

45:21

speak badly about April. I will always

45:23

just quote what other people said. I don't know how I've

45:25

never met her. I've never met her a day in my life.

45:28

I'm not that dumb. I don't

45:31

know a thing about Oprah, apart from she's banging

45:33

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46:40

teacher. But who isn't? They all are.

46:43

I saw a baguette in the Olympic. Oh, people

46:45

are so dumb, because there was a picture of Jada

46:48

Pinkett Smith, and

46:50

she was just like, she

46:52

was wearing baguette ties at everyone, but then they thought it was a

46:54

fact I won an Olympic. That's what I was

46:56

saying. And then someone

46:58

wrote in the comments, leave them people's

47:00

diabetes medication alone. But no, no, literally, it's

47:02

actually on dryer B-team. I was like, everyone

47:05

is bagging at Osempic. And there was a

47:07

thing in the news, because Osempic is so

47:09

new as a way to use the weight

47:11

loss. And it's making people feel all the time.

47:13

There's a woman that was like, she just like, she keeps

47:15

kissing. She's got permanent diarrhea now. Do you remember when Kekane

47:18

West was exposing Kim Kardashian, she said she shits

47:20

more than the average person. He

47:22

sure did, he put out that text. Just saying. But

47:26

yeah, more so I say that

47:28

for the Osempic. So as you

47:30

come up with the whole kind of pepper being

47:32

like, hey, we're treated really badly, we have to drive

47:34

ourselves to say blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah,

47:36

blah, blah. And obviously everybody was like, oh,

47:38

poor SoaRgy. And also when you watch the interview,

47:41

oh my God, SoaRgy looks so down stricken.

47:43

She doesn't like to sound bad. I've never

47:45

seen SoaRgy in that interview. She

47:48

looks so down, she looks so up there. She

47:50

looks broken. And I think she looks broken by an industry

47:52

that she loves being a part of so much but it's

47:54

just not being kind to her. And it's just like, what

47:57

do you want me to do? I'm at the peak of

47:59

my career. judgment is made. You

48:02

think I'm a richer person than what I'm getting paid with this

48:04

money and I'm still not and it makes no sense. Anyway, so

48:07

while Monique has made that complaint

48:09

years ago, and nobody listened to

48:11

Monique, they were just saying Monique, she was like running her mouth shut

48:13

up Monique, whatever, whatever, whatever. So there

48:15

was Shannon, Shannon

48:18

was asked, I'd be like, Hey, why

48:20

do you think everyone's taking thrashes more

48:22

seriously than they're taking yours? And

48:25

she said a point and I thought it was

48:27

fucking brilliant in fact, because she wasn't downstripping by

48:29

it, because she wasn't sat there

48:31

crying, because she was, she didn't

48:33

allow it to villainize her. People only listen

48:35

to villains, to victims. She

48:37

didn't sit here being like, I'm a

48:40

victim to the situation. I'm so sad.

48:42

I'm so upset. So that garners emotions

48:44

from people, but it doesn't mean someone

48:46

that doesn't, that's not like that. She's

48:48

like because I sat there strongly, I

48:50

didn't cry. My husband was next to

48:52

me. I looked supportive. I looked strong.

48:54

I'm still saying facts to you, but you're not hearing

48:56

it because I'm not downstripping by it. You're not hearing it

48:58

because I'm not crying about it. You're not hearing it because

49:01

I didn't do a fucking bled about it. I

49:09

wasn't going to react. I was just going to let the

49:11

cameras keep rolling. If you

49:14

dare not

49:19

cry about something, if you dare be like, yeah, this is a

49:21

problem, but I'm not going to let it break me. People

49:24

don't sympathize with you. They don't. Yeah. It's

49:26

like you have to be broken. People to

49:28

listen to you or sympathize with you. And it's

49:31

bullshit. It is bullshit. Like having this bullshit

49:33

on the audiences part, but then you needed

49:35

Saraji to be so broken to take in what

49:37

she was saying. When other people have been saying

49:39

it for years, but because they had support around

49:42

them, but because they wasn't crying, because they were

49:44

still like put together and didn't

49:46

look down, it wasn't believable. A hundred

49:48

percent. And she even said that. I thought that

49:50

was a great point. It was a brilliant point. And

49:52

also she said that like that's not to take away

49:54

from the experience. That's just how she chose it. Like

49:56

it's a shame that she had to get that point to be able

49:58

to. come out with her truth,

50:01

do you know what I mean? But literally

50:03

they were saying the exact same thing. The exact same

50:05

thing. And what I really appreciated about what Monique said

50:08

was so valid as well, because she was like, the

50:10

reason she has to sit up straight, look

50:12

into the camera, be direct, and withhold

50:15

the tears is because she wants other, the

50:17

young women that are coming up behind her

50:19

to see that version of her. She doesn't

50:21

want that documented, seeing her that broken.

50:23

And it's fact, it's like, you shouldn't

50:25

have to see someone at their absolute

50:27

downtrodden to humanize them. And even

50:29

still then, as black women, you're still not.

50:32

That's the thing. It's like, and that's the thing. It doesn't

50:34

matter whether you're Monique, it doesn't matter

50:37

whether your approach is tarragie. When

50:39

people don't humanize you, they just don't humanize you. They

50:41

just don't hear you, yeah. And it's just despicable either

50:43

way. But yeah, that was such a valid point. You

50:46

wanna have that point where I'm like, yes, that's exactly

50:48

what it is, you know? Because it's almost like if you're like,

50:50

you dare to not let this break you. Why not? It's

50:53

exactly. Exactly, because it's like, yeah, I think it's

50:55

exactly that I feel like people negate like the

50:57

seriousness of what you're saying, because you're saying it

50:59

makes it less true. Yeah. When

51:02

actually, you told us to bring the facts. Which is it

51:04

then? Why if some people don't wanna perform that

51:06

for you guys? And I'm not centralizing performing. I mean,

51:09

what if some people feel safe enough but

51:11

you guys shouldn't see me like that? I don't see the,

51:13

like, there is something movement, it doesn't mean they're not emotional,

51:15

doesn't mean they're not vulnerable. Just talk to you though. But

51:18

the thing is, I feel like even if she had done

51:20

that, people are so committed sometimes to who they

51:23

wanna believe and who they don't wanna believe. But I honestly

51:25

think it wouldn't have mattered if she had done that. You

51:27

didn't want to believe it because you don't want Monique to

51:29

have those things because of your internalized bias. It's that's just

51:32

what it boils down to. So, you

51:34

know, she's better off saying

51:36

it with conviction because at least that imprint is there. At least

51:38

she has that. At least she has that, you know? Can

51:40

I be down? If I came here crying, broken, people would

51:42

ask us. Yeah, and then this is not exactly, exactly

51:45

because then what's left? And

51:47

then wealth. Where do you go after that? Yeah. Because

51:50

to let people see you in such a vulnerable state is

51:52

not easy. It's

51:54

not easy at all. Like it's not easy at all. It's

51:56

easy, it's easy. And just talk. Yeah. But

51:59

then work into conditions. mad. Like when she

52:01

was talking about the whole almost Christmas

52:03

situation and the Will Packer situation, one thing about

52:05

Minnie, because her story has never changed. And not

52:07

to say that sometimes stories can't be shaky or

52:09

whatever, because people's memories are different or whatever. But

52:12

her thought has been consistent. And she said that

52:14

as well. She was like, truth tellers always have

52:16

receipts. Timelines, receipts, proofs.

52:18

Sorry, that's from Real Housewives of

52:20

Salt Lake Sea. Anyway, like she,

52:23

she says that she's always kept her

52:25

receipt. Like she knows, she knows what

52:27

she's talking about. And like her story

52:29

has been so consistent. And it's just,

52:32

I don't know, man. I really hope she

52:34

gets her her Jews. But yeah, Tyler Perry

52:36

is not paying that man because if there

52:38

was a time that he was going to pay, I

52:40

think it would have been if this didn't go public. He's

52:42

not paying that shit. But now he can't now. He's like,

52:45

he can't now. He can't now. Tyler Perry didn't hear anything.

52:47

And she probably had the recordings

52:49

and everything of him admitting that it was all a lie.

52:51

And like, yo,

52:54

that's someone going around, talking shit about you. It's not

52:56

easy. It's not easy. It's not

52:59

easy. Your name is not easy. It's not

53:02

easy at all. Like, what kind of

53:04

reputations do you have? The vein of

53:06

things I fucking hate. More

53:08

and more everyday couple of content makes me

53:10

fucking sick. I've never

53:12

been a fan. I hate it. So I

53:15

said it the other day, I said, I get that shit out my face. I'm

53:17

like, you love love. I love love. I just hate it when you

53:21

got set up a tripod and perform it and perform it.

53:23

Yeah, yeah, that's not organic. What the

53:25

fuck? It was a video that pushed me

53:28

over. So the concept of the video

53:30

was this man

53:32

is dating when she's dated a name before now

53:34

she's dating you. So basically he was he got

53:36

out of the car and went around

53:39

to go open a door for him. I should already

53:41

come out. She's not used to it. So

53:43

what would happen to make that happen was

53:45

he set up his camera, went

53:50

back into the car and shot it, make sure the

53:52

thing was recording. Then said to her, so when I

53:54

get out, these are about 10,000. Yeah. And then everyone's

53:56

saying, oh, God. And

54:00

it's not because... But we all have been fucking friends. It's not

54:02

because that's completely contrived. Because there's

54:04

no world in which you would naturally just be in

54:06

that moment with you being filmed. Why would it be

54:08

filmed? Because you're like, so there's no way. Yeah,

54:11

yeah, no. People need to allow it. I hate it.

54:13

I actually hate it so much. And also, do you not think I'm stupid? This

54:16

pregnant woman and there was a husband

54:18

looking after her and they were saying, oh, wow.

54:28

I think I've seen that couple. Isn't the couple

54:30

that have like eight kids or something? Yeah.

54:33

And they do the most. He'll be like filming

54:35

her, holding her hair back while she pukes. And

54:37

I swear he even put her underwear on. There

54:40

was one way she was like, yeah, heavily pregnant and

54:42

he helped her put her underwear on. And

54:45

I was just like, so you have to go get the

54:47

pan. Why is it being filmed? You have to set up the camera. You have

54:49

to do all of that. It's not... And we

54:51

all lost the fucking plot. Yeah. Why are your tender,

54:53

private moments being filmed? And

54:57

it's like we used to live in a world where people would just maybe tweet it

54:59

or like, talk about it. You would just text it or you'd do whatever. I

55:02

hate content. No one gives a

55:05

shit anymore. Really about pictures, everyone's making real. Everyone's doing it.

55:07

And you're like, we're going to be like, oh. Yeah. Hmm.

55:10

And I feel like the. we're

55:13

just going to be like, oh. I hate

55:15

content. No one

55:17

gives a shit anymore. Really about pictures. Everyone's making real.

55:23

my sleep and I'm like, let me go for Instagram. And with something like that. I

55:25

guess it was all about you. I'm just like, why is that on

55:27

a picture of you? I'm like, why is that? I'm like, why is that?

55:29

I'm like, why is that? I'm like, why is that? I'm like, why is

55:31

that? Why is that on a picture of you at church? And why is Beanie

55:33

man playing in the background? This makes you know. It's

55:36

so annoying. Suddenly

55:39

you're getting into the in

56:00

Kiss FM, you're getting music. I don't

56:02

want to hear that. Like it's so,

56:04

it always scares me. I don't think

56:06

I'll ever get used to the fact that

56:08

people have music on their pictures anymore because I'm innocently

56:11

scrolling and suddenly I'm just. They just hear music, yeah.

56:13

It's such an old school thing to do as well.

56:15

It's not so like having my mum walk on my

56:17

place. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, they're very hated. Proper, they

56:19

can remove that function. But yeah, I just don't think

56:22

I should see intimate moments with couples. I love that

56:24

it happens. I love that women and men and everyone

56:26

gets to be loved in the way that they feel

56:28

deserving or they want to be. But why are you

56:30

filming this, love? Yeah, I feel like talk about it

56:32

in an organic way. Yeah, like we should hear these

56:35

things, but I think this is something weird because we

56:37

know the setup in it. So it's not necessarily

56:39

the act that's cringe. I

56:42

think it's the setup that's cringe.

56:44

Do you know what I mean? And then you just do it

56:47

once and do it twice. Because you never have it the first

56:49

time. There's no way you'll get it the first time. And there's

56:51

no way you have just cameras everywhere. You

56:53

have GoPros everywhere in your house picking up everything that

56:55

you go back and do it. You are setting it

56:57

up, okay? And

57:00

it's not a bit of me either. I've never been

57:02

into couple content. It does nothing for

57:04

me. Even with the stuff that we know it's like they're

57:06

sat in front of the camera maybe doing Q and A's or whatever.

57:09

I've just never. Same, and it's someone who genuinely loves

57:11

couples and love, love, I love when people are happy

57:13

in that way. I mean, it's not... It's

57:16

never been a bit of me. I

57:19

don't know that performance is what it is.

57:21

I'm really weird. None of it seems organic

57:23

to me anymore. Even music

57:25

videos are more organic. Like...

57:29

Yeah, maybe because I'm someone who gets the

57:31

privilege to see people be loved in real

57:33

life. Maybe. Like

57:35

in my everyday life experiences, I see many

57:37

of... I see black love every day in my

57:39

life. Like, you know what I mean? I have

57:42

this experience. I get to see women be treated

57:44

amazingly. I get to see people in love and

57:47

it's kind and it's tender. So maybe I don't need

57:49

it. Maybe if you're someone who doesn't get to see

57:51

it, this is how you feel it. Yeah,

57:54

for like it exists. I don't need it.

57:56

I'm like, shit out my fucking face. Yeah, it's

57:58

not a bit of me. It's not because I'm a hate... because it's

58:00

shit. People keep it scrolling. Contrived,

58:02

set up, shit acting and shit writing. They didn't

58:04

write that shit. That makes it make sense now. Get the

58:06

fuck out of me. The one where he's holding a head that

58:09

washes vomit in. I don't want to see, like,

58:11

I don't want us to lose privacy.

58:14

Like, please. Like, privacy is just mad. We

58:17

must not see it. And I'm not mad at snippets here

58:20

or there. Like, by all means, like, do your... No, nothing. Come

58:22

follow me for the days. Like, all of that stuff is cute.

58:24

But I don't need to see you puking. I don't need

58:26

to see your husband putting your drawers on. If

58:29

you're puking and your husband's helping, what the

58:31

fuck else should he do? The thing is, if you're really puking,

58:34

though, if you're really puking, do you want anyone

58:36

to see you? Because I know I look fucking

58:38

ugly when I poop. When I was pregnant, I

58:40

had H.G. What's H.G.? Um,

58:43

a hyper something. I can never say

58:45

what it stands for. But it's basically

58:47

where you have constant sickness. And

58:49

there was one day that I vomited so much, I ended

58:52

up in hospital, and I forgot to tell this when

58:54

I was telling my pregnancy thing. I

58:56

burst blood vessels in both my eyes. I

58:58

remember that. I remember that picture. Because

59:00

my eyes were blood shocks. I puked up so much. I

59:02

don't want people... I would never want anyone to see me

59:05

because the way I looked, yeah, my eyes were like that

59:07

man whose eyes pop out of his head. It's

59:09

not cute. Like, there's no cute way to throw up.

59:11

Like, no, no. Those

59:13

intimate moments, please. Because soon

59:15

we'll be seeing you as not shitting. Of course.

59:17

That's next. And oh my God, I couldn't reach my

59:20

husband. I came to wipe it. Exactly, came to wipe.

59:22

Yeah. Yeah, please. You're saving

59:24

some things. Anyway, what else is going on,

59:26

honey? You want to talk

59:28

about the documentary. I did, I did. I actually want to talk

59:30

about it in more detail. So the greatest night in pop is

59:32

a documentary Netflix, and it's about the night that they made We

59:34

Are The World. So We Are

59:36

The World was a song made for, it wasn't for Live Aid, was

59:39

it? Was it for, no. It was for... Live

59:41

Aid was for... We Are

59:43

The World. What was it, what the charity was for We Are

59:45

The World? What charity was We Are The World for? We

59:49

Are The World... I think something about...

59:51

It was definitely about Africa. Was it Haiti? I

59:54

want to say Uganda for some reason. It

59:58

was just for USA for Africa. So it was just,

1:00:00

I think it was just helping, yeah, just

1:00:03

helping us with us. Basically,

1:00:05

so the whole concept of it was nobody,

1:00:07

all these like mega superstar made a song

1:00:10

together and at the time it was like

1:00:12

Michael Jackson, Diana Ross, Lionel Richie. Okay, go

1:00:14

for it baby. So we've

1:00:17

got a list of all the people who are involved in the

1:00:19

song. We have Lionel Richie,

1:00:21

Stevie Wonder, Paul Simon,

1:00:23

Kenny Rogers, James

1:00:26

Ingram, Tina Turner, Billy Joel, Michael

1:00:28

D Jackson, Diana Ross,

1:00:30

Dionne Warwick, Willie Nelson,

1:00:32

Bruce Fink Springsteen, Steve

1:00:35

Perry, Darryl Hall, Huey

1:00:37

Lewis, Cindy Lauper, John

1:00:39

Oates, Quincy Jones produced it, Latoya

1:00:42

Jackson, Bob Dylan, Harry

1:00:44

Belafonte, Dan Aykroyd, well I didn't know

1:00:46

he sang, Ray Charles,

1:00:48

Bette Midler, Jeff Osborne, Lindsay

1:00:50

Buckingham and the list Marlon

1:00:53

Jackson, Randy Jackson, T-Tay Jackson,

1:00:55

Bill Gibson, Chris Hughes, Sheila

1:00:57

E, Bob Geldof, Smokey

1:01:00

Robinson and there's more people, there's

1:01:02

more of the main ones. So before we start

1:01:04

that, Harry Belafonte sang one of my favourite songs

1:01:06

ever. I don't think it's his originally, it's called

1:01:08

Malaika. That goes Malaika,

1:01:11

and like a panda, Malaika, my angel, I

1:01:13

love you, my angel. But there

1:01:15

is, I don't know if it's just Nigerian

1:01:17

gospel song that goes, my lifetime, I will

1:01:19

give God my lifetime, it's the exact same

1:01:21

tune. He probably got it from there. No,

1:01:24

no, no. We stole it

1:01:26

and changed it. Oh! Because

1:01:30

it sounds like, what came first?

1:01:33

My lifetime or Malaika, which Malaika

1:01:35

means my angel. But it's

1:01:37

like really old Kenyan, it's not even like a

1:01:39

Bolivante song, it's an old Kenyan song that was

1:01:41

made in 1934 or something and Harry sang it

1:01:44

and then the Nigerian Christians

1:01:46

changed it to my lifetime, I will

1:01:48

give God my lifetime. Malaika,

1:01:53

Malaika, which is such a beautiful song. Anyway, that's

1:01:55

not the point of this. Anyway, all of those

1:01:57

people came together, we recorded it in one night.

1:02:01

And they were like the boat shoot. No, no,

1:02:03

no. When I saw that boat hubby,

1:02:05

I was convinced it was like Photoshop.

1:02:07

I was like, there was no way they

1:02:09

got all of these amazing women together on

1:02:12

the same day. The

1:02:14

PA's must have been, their heads must have been thin. No, people's

1:02:16

heads must have been thin. And

1:02:18

all of them were from different countries, different countries. Everyone's

1:02:20

got their own glam, everyone's got their own stylists. I

1:02:23

need to know what studio that was done in Bria. I

1:02:25

just didn't know the logistics of

1:02:27

that day. So it was kind of

1:02:29

like the boat hubba, but at this time, bigger.

1:02:32

Yeah, yeah, yeah. And the whole aspect, the vision of

1:02:34

it was then to make a song to help our

1:02:36

Africa. So Harry Belavelle and Sade come to be like,

1:02:38

Live Aid did happen first. And

1:02:40

they were like, hey, we keep getting like, white people

1:02:42

to help black people, but we don't

1:02:44

have black people, black people. What can

1:02:46

we do? So Lionel Richie and Michael

1:02:48

Jackson, they wrote the song together. Like

1:02:50

Quincy Jones is a fucking legend. Yeah,

1:02:53

he is. That man's legend. He's a

1:02:55

musical genius, Arquins. So you watch.

1:02:59

I don't even know. Also,

1:03:01

the Whitney film shows that he doesn't even like win. And

1:03:05

the instance that in the Whitney film, the tea

1:03:07

is what I'm saying. I think

1:03:09

it was him anyway, because he writes with Whitney, right? Quincy?

1:03:12

I'm not sure he is. But he was about to

1:03:14

write with Whitney. Why don't you just know

1:03:16

this off-head? Oh, God,

1:03:19

well, it's a point if you have you in the room. Anyway,

1:03:21

it might not be Quincy, but I'm pretty sure it's Whitney. So

1:03:25

Michael Jackson and Lionel Richie write this song right. And

1:03:27

in the documentary, you actually see them go to the

1:03:29

places of writing the song. It's Delano Richie there as

1:03:31

well, talking about the places that Lionel Richie now. That

1:03:33

man is on Tommy Watt. That man

1:03:35

has an age. Yeah, because... I was

1:03:37

trying to think if he looks young now, if he looks old

1:03:39

then. If he looks old then. He looks younger now than

1:03:42

he did then. He is pulled, honey.

1:03:44

Thanks for the power. That man is both old.

1:03:46

That man is stretched and pulled. He is... Lionel

1:03:51

is... He is tucked and

1:03:53

plucked and buttholered. Everything is... No, that

1:03:55

man is... That man is... That

1:03:58

man is... I've got

1:04:00

a line now! That's enough man! You didn't look

1:04:02

up to see him and know he looked older

1:04:04

then! He had some lines then!

1:04:07

So anyway, so they write their songs together

1:04:09

and watching the artistry now people that make

1:04:11

music Then people that have that innate talent

1:04:14

It is insane to watch Like,

1:04:16

for them to have something come

1:04:18

out of absolutely nothing from

1:04:20

nowhere Like you see them go They're

1:04:24

like, oh yeah Yeah And then it sounds good I

1:04:27

do worse to it No Right, I better not You

1:04:30

see the whole thing! That's talent though

1:04:32

And it's like, wow! And

1:04:35

Michael Jackson smashed that I can't even realise that you

1:04:37

knew that You knew the whole thing right? You know

1:04:39

that it'll make a difference And then you have all

1:04:41

the most fascinating bit about it was that you have

1:04:43

all of these massive names in one room like

1:04:46

Bob Dylan There

1:04:50

was something about being really good in your field

1:04:52

and then being around everybody where oh you're not

1:04:55

the best Yeah Like,

1:04:58

I tell people to be

1:05:01

around people they're better than more

1:05:03

because honestly it brings that you're like, oh wow

1:05:06

Makes you want to work If

1:05:08

the whole documentary Bob Dylan just looks so like

1:05:10

he looks so uncomfortable Yeah, he looks

1:05:12

so uncomfortable She didn't know there was

1:05:14

something racial there as well Like,

1:05:18

what these niggas tell you Do you want to know the truth? When

1:05:20

I was watching The Safety of My House What?

1:05:23

The exact words I said is it's fascinating to me we're

1:05:25

white people about black people who are better than them It's

1:05:29

interesting In something that they run but in something where in

1:05:31

the outside world he probably, I don't know I'm sure maybe

1:05:33

I assume he probably has sold more records than them he

1:05:35

probably like as in terms of like support he probably saw

1:05:38

it more better than in the outside world When it

1:05:40

comes to the actual crop of the talent and

1:05:43

that you're in the room with them and it's not just a matter

1:05:45

about his wine your message is actually who can sink

1:05:47

in now It is fast because I've seen it happen

1:05:50

in work meetings where this

1:05:52

person is held as the manager and they're around

1:05:54

the junior black girl who you know is such

1:05:56

shit and you see them crumble they're like almost

1:05:58

angry about it And

1:06:00

then suddenly it's like this thing of like

1:06:03

trying to humble you. Yeah. Kind of. Or

1:06:05

just reduce you or over talk you

1:06:07

or tell you like, Oh, actually

1:06:09

that thing's like they'll give you some job. Like, oh, can

1:06:11

you go pick up that thing in the photocopier now?

1:06:13

Like, no, get up. Now,

1:06:16

when we just get out, we just get out of the house.

1:06:19

Don't undermine me. Or you say a point, no

1:06:21

one has the money. And then repeat your point. Yeah, yeah,

1:06:23

yeah, exactly. Then bring it up later. Yeah. No, no,

1:06:25

I just said that five minutes ago. I didn't see

1:06:27

it, but that's what it felt like when I was

1:06:29

watching Bob Dylan. But that documentary was fascinating.

1:06:32

Yeah, it was really, really good. It really, really

1:06:34

was. That's what we should be documenting. Yeah, exactly.

1:06:36

This is exactly these are the sadistic moments that

1:06:38

I actually want to see that I care about,

1:06:40

not I don't want to see you vomiting. And

1:06:42

then the other day, we're saying Diana Ross stayed late. And then she

1:06:45

cried because she didn't want the night to end because it was

1:06:47

so lovely. It was a beautiful moment. And then I shouted, we

1:06:49

used to be a country. We used to be a country.

1:06:51

And the thing is, another thing I was thinking about

1:06:53

that documentary is imagine being an artist of that

1:06:55

time and not being invited. I know. Prince

1:06:58

wasn't there, was he? No, he didn't

1:07:00

reply to emails. Yeah, Prince was very bougie.

1:07:02

Madonna wasn't there. Hey, I wonder if she

1:07:04

was invited. Yeah, I wonder. Yeah, I want

1:07:06

maybe some people just couldn't make it. Because

1:07:08

if it's one night, then yeah, that might

1:07:10

be. And they did an exam night as

1:07:13

well, didn't they? Yeah. So if it's one

1:07:15

night, I can imagine a lot of people just maybe

1:07:17

couldn't make it. But the ones that weren't

1:07:19

asked, because if I know I've been asked, then it's

1:07:21

like I couldn't make it. At least I know I've

1:07:23

got an invite. And I thought that I saw everyone coming

1:07:25

together for the world. Why can't I

1:07:27

be of the world? I like the world. I'm of

1:07:29

the world. I'm of the people. I

1:07:33

want to make a better place for you and me.

1:07:35

Yeah, exactly. Exactly. They made a banger. I could banger.

1:07:37

What? Is there a first to it, though? We

1:07:39

are the world. We are the children.

1:07:42

We are the ones that make a

1:07:44

brighter day for the start giving. We

1:07:47

are the children. We

1:07:49

are the children. It's

1:07:52

true, we make a better day just you

1:07:54

and me. But there's like

1:07:56

some video that went

1:07:58

viral ages ago. It wasn't in. I went to the military,

1:08:00

yeah, I went to the listening unit at a tune and Michael was just

1:08:02

like... I think it

1:08:04

was, I can't remember who it was,

1:08:07

but it was some rock singer. And

1:08:10

he just, there were some things that... There were

1:08:12

some things that would just matter. And

1:08:14

then Michael was just like... And

1:08:18

he just paused and he was just like... And

1:08:21

then when Cindy Lop was like, yeah, yeah, yeah! And

1:08:24

Michael was like... Oh,

1:08:27

you have to do all that! And

1:08:32

the thing about Michael is he's so particular.

1:08:35

And obviously even as a songwriter and

1:08:37

a producer, whatever, you still have to

1:08:39

let people have their flex. Like, how

1:08:41

many different versions of artists there are.

1:08:44

When it's your own stuff, you can tell people just a little lower.

1:08:46

Do you know what I mean? But when

1:08:48

it's like, bare people, it's just like... You

1:08:51

have to accept it. The

1:08:53

look he gave in that video is what I literally... When

1:08:56

I knew I had a bad character, I was like, when I go to church, and

1:08:59

the choir starts singing, I don't think you're going to see how

1:09:01

much that means in a day. Yeah, some people... My

1:09:04

face would be like, when

1:09:08

have we been affixed this? I think, can you

1:09:10

sing better? We have expectations of you being

1:09:12

actually talented. You know? Take me to the pivot.

1:09:14

But yeah, that documentary was... I

1:09:17

just love watching talent and people do their thing. I

1:09:19

love music documentaries. I just love them.

1:09:22

And I don't know what, I have a little bit obsessed with the 80s. I

1:09:24

know I was born then, but I was still a child then,

1:09:26

so I didn't get to experience it. But I

1:09:29

just love it. It's just so interesting

1:09:31

to me. The crack epidemic. I think they seemed

1:09:33

more like, this is wrong and this is wrong.

1:09:35

I think now we... We're seeing

1:09:37

very... In the world now, we're seeing very wrong things. We

1:09:40

used to be a world. We used to be a

1:09:42

world. We used to be a country. We're seeing

1:09:44

very wrong things and somehow

1:09:46

justifying. What's justification?

1:09:48

And there were many of the things

1:09:50

that we're seeing like, let's call

1:09:52

this fate, this fate, this is genocide. Like,

1:09:55

this is wrong. And I don't know. We're

1:09:57

children there, but it's these documentaries that we

1:09:59

watched. that they were all unison, something like

1:10:01

that. That's the one. Let's fix that. Let's

1:10:03

get together and at least try and do something

1:10:05

or just bring awareness to it. Yeah, no, definitely. What

1:10:07

was the UK song? Oh.

1:10:10

Oh, Christmas. I would have to give you

1:10:12

fucking. It was Bob Dylan, not Bob Dylan. Do you

1:10:14

say hello, it's Christmas time. We will. We

1:10:16

will. We will. We

1:10:19

will. We will. We will. Christmas time.

1:10:21

What does it mean? Christmas time.

1:10:23

Christmas time. Something about the children in Africa,

1:10:25

even though it's Christmas. Oh, there was something

1:10:27

there. Google the lyrics. There was something that was

1:10:30

problematic. What's the better song? We are the world

1:10:32

of Christmas. We are the world. Yeah,

1:10:34

the world. Musically, I just think it's a better song. Yeah, we

1:10:36

are the world of Christmas. Yeah. Yeah. That

1:10:38

did a lot as well for Live Age. That just pays a lot

1:10:41

of money for the family. Because

1:10:43

I remember years later, okay. I

1:10:45

think it's, do they know it's Christmas? No, it goes. And

1:10:47

there won't be snow in Africa this Christmas

1:10:49

time. And there won't be snow in Africa. There

1:10:54

is never snow in Africa. Yeah, exactly. That's

1:10:56

only misleading. So what the fuck are you

1:10:58

talking about? That's only misleading. It's a good

1:11:00

story Africa. Exactly. And

1:11:02

there won't

1:11:05

be snow in Africa this Christmas time. The greatest

1:11:07

gift they'll get this year is life. Do you remember?

1:11:10

The greatest gift they'll get this year is life. Well, that

1:11:13

is one of the greatest gifts there is. Where

1:11:17

nothing ever grows. No, okay.

1:11:19

Where nothing ever grows. Feed

1:11:22

the world. Feed the world. Let them know.

1:11:24

Yeah, that one's the greatest gift. Let

1:11:26

them know. Yeah, that one and there

1:11:29

won't be no snow in Africa this Christmas time.

1:11:31

There's never really fucking snow in Africa. Yeah, definitely

1:11:33

misleading. What are you talking about? We

1:11:35

would never afford snow. We were just never

1:11:38

going to get it ever then. The

1:11:40

part of the world we're in. But the

1:11:42

intention is, I will give them that. I

1:11:44

know now we break things down and it's

1:11:46

like problematic and stuff. They do one

1:11:49

recently. A bit collaborative. They did one recently. There was

1:11:51

one that Beyonce was in as well, right? And it

1:11:53

was like everyone, Usher, Christina, Eglara. And

1:11:55

they did that Marvin Gaye song. Oh my God. It

1:11:58

was like, I can't tell. No. So it was right

1:12:00

at the tip of my head. Sorry,

1:12:03

I spoke. Sorry. I

1:12:05

hope you didn't do that to me. I fucking

1:12:08

hate it. I'm so sorry. It

1:12:12

was Usher, Beyonce. That

1:12:14

was probably the most recent one I can remember. It was

1:12:16

Usher, Beyonce. Ah, who else

1:12:19

was in it? It was a Marvin Gaye song that

1:12:21

they covered. Was it? Yeah.

1:12:24

What thing was that for? I can't remember what

1:12:26

the cause was. Was it for some sort of

1:12:29

war? Something. Oh

1:12:31

my God. I couldn't read it because I can see them

1:12:33

performing there. I think and I think Jennifer Hudson was there

1:12:35

as well. Hmm. So

1:12:38

I'm thinking of something completely different. What are you thinking about? But

1:12:40

no, I am thinking of the song. Oh,

1:12:44

that's really going to piss me off. I'm going

1:12:46

to leave. Yeah, it's not as

1:12:48

if people get in it and then it just keeps on leaving

1:12:50

my head. When? Help us.

1:12:55

And Justin Timberlake was on it. Yeah. Yeah.

1:12:57

I can't remember for the life. I don't

1:12:59

even know what the search charity song. Yeah.

1:13:03

And black eye peas. They're people on it. What

1:13:06

the fuck was it? That must be someone we've heard. That's

1:13:09

probably the most recent collab. What's

1:13:11

my British one? Most

1:13:13

recent. Didn't they do another Christmas one

1:13:15

recently? Like there was free the world. We do.

1:13:18

Yeah, they do. Yeah, yeah, yeah. She got two babes with all of

1:13:20

them. Yeah, yeah, yeah. There was a free the world. Let's

1:13:22

go again free the world. Oh my God. That's

1:13:24

actually going to bother me the one with Usher. And yeah, I

1:13:27

don't know if it's actually a song that came out and they just

1:13:29

performed at our concert. No, the

1:13:31

one I'm thinking of I remember the video was like

1:13:33

a black background and it was just upplay shots and

1:13:35

everybody was in it. It was probably

1:13:37

just easy for everyone to just film their bit and they

1:13:39

just edited it together. Yeah,

1:13:42

I can't remember. Oh my God. If

1:13:44

it comes to me, Marvin Gaye is,

1:13:46

yeah, sorry. We'll have to edit this

1:13:48

part. Sorry, we have to find this out. At least I

1:13:51

know. So you can cut all of this. I

1:13:54

know exactly what it is. What is it? What's

1:13:56

going On? What's going on? What's

1:13:58

going on? When

1:14:01

I say it again by worry pokemon Elizabeth

1:14:03

and yet I've been. but I've been busted.

1:14:06

I'm in the casino. I could never I'm

1:14:08

in business. I p. And they

1:14:10

had the thing with a cat. Saturday a. Disease

1:14:13

and he kept my psyche the off disengage

1:14:15

yes as hey now it's an it's an

1:14:17

apology mine up. With it's see past the.

1:14:20

Name the world to be fucking nice and safe and

1:14:22

sound and I can have any with the have anybody

1:14:24

see it was. Some. Of that going on around.

1:14:26

Well, yes, and there's a lot going on.

1:14:29

Strike. Yep. To

1:14:31

believe. It is

1:14:33

Alice and time. I dismiss. I. Mentioned

1:14:38

the onset yonsei of course. Is

1:14:41

no way, no how. He. Should

1:14:43

be Wednesday and the other. Yeah out

1:14:45

have ordered the Psni saw. That say

1:14:48

again say. I.

1:14:50

Was have. Some. Theater.

1:14:53

The. First one to that's a great. So. I

1:14:56

guess is a diplomatic let that

1:14:58

man is a smooth center and

1:15:00

the in the world gets his

1:15:02

listen. I went overseas to cancels know

1:15:04

she's not to say. Is it's. Like

1:15:08

imports. Of. Trying to

1:15:10

think it would be dicing. Had actually those it

1:15:12

had nothing to even remember. Mmm. Widely

1:15:14

brilliant. You'd be good. At

1:15:17

it gets sick line up. While.

1:15:20

Want them to have a bit a song? We have been

1:15:22

hesitant. they're not. They shouldn't be there as well. We'd have.

1:15:25

To. Be they should a shadow of a good way

1:15:27

should see there just isn't that what the people that

1:15:29

I was. Lucky that way of a well

1:15:31

lit. I said you could prove him in

1:15:33

a can be Basically I saw the can

1:15:36

do kinda that that see that this assisted.

1:15:42

Physical. Any sound and things you'd like to

1:15:45

leave the people then we were before we

1:15:47

leave today. I think I'm Alice is in

1:15:49

fact yeah Phillippe We. went around

1:15:51

the houses and the be my thoughts

1:15:53

about some really really to fix. My.

1:15:56

Nights Everything A my nights I was super

1:15:58

bow I have spoken about yes. I

1:16:00

didn't have any notes. She's

1:16:03

unrepaired. However, unrepaired.

1:16:06

Yeah, no. You all get to

1:16:08

go? I feel like I got everything off my big

1:16:11

double D chest. Sorry,

1:16:19

that was me. Okay.

1:16:24

Wow. Oh, gosh. And those of us

1:16:26

who don't have big double D chests. I'm

1:16:29

out. It's the girl Toni T. Just

1:16:32

call me Audrey. Bye. Peace.

1:16:35

This episode is what she brought to the front. Ayo.

1:16:38

Bye. That's

1:16:41

Wetch's one, not our one. That's

1:16:44

my favourite Wetch song. I'd have Wetch on

1:16:46

it as well. Of course, Wetch. Oh

1:16:48

my God. Have you listened to... No,

1:16:51

that's not the song I'm talking about. Years

1:16:53

ago, I interviewed Wetch. Sorry, I'm just going to carry on

1:16:55

with it. Then we can end. I

1:16:58

interviewed Wetch, he was the guy when I was

1:17:00

working at Bufi. And I promised,

1:17:02

and they made him promise, they were going to perform

1:17:04

this song about Wetch, and it's called Something. And

1:17:06

I'm just me for making him do it. It

1:17:09

took longer than I thought I would. Because I just faced you the

1:17:11

next few years. But I just

1:17:13

want us to revisit your promise that you made to me

1:17:15

that you performed something Wetch would do that for me.

1:17:18

You gave me something I can feel. And

1:17:20

so I'm very grateful. Thank you very

1:17:22

much, Wetch. Bye. See you in

1:17:24

the next episode. Bye.